The most horrible thing about her disagreement with what the scientific consensus says, is that she thinks she's entitled to have an opinion on the topic and that her opinion is a valid answer against the scientific data.
@@EmilMToft Yeah exactly. She`s so entitled that she thinks she can have an opnion on that topic against the proven scientific data. Also against jordan who`ve studied and worked in that field for 30 years. I really don`t understand how so many people don`t want to believe science and biology. The world going on a downhill path
@@Ariovistus50 Maybe, but that would be a rare case of Honesty vs 'Fidelity towards the party line', which is the rule in Swedish politics. It is not by happenstance that all party leaders, out of the 8 parties that constitute the Swedish parliament has, not one - but a whole staff of - "press secretaries". Her party's line is already carved in stone for this 4 year election cycle, for better or for worse yet even so she does her best to defend it. So you may be right. Personally, i think Annie played a passable game with the abominable cards she was dealt.
I am a socialist in Sweden. And I am fascinated by JBP's intelligence, way of communicating and forwarding his message in such a respectful and educated manner. Even though I don't agree with precisely everything he has ever said, I still am not, and no one should, be ignorant to the scientific data. Well done JP! No one is close to having your level of experience and expertise in the field. I admire you as an individual and even more so by the way you care about humans and especially young, lost and demoralized children in our world. You are doing great things and while you're doing good, then a natural effect is to receive hate and a lot of friction. A natural force of good, prevailing over the lost, beaten and the ignorant. Great interview.
We have to ignore the data otherwise we are not getting a profit. The main profit is made by keeping the society with a lack of knowledge and also sleepy. I think we are on a good path achieving that. We might experience a change when people understand it's not the year we need to change but the actual rotten system .
I think the main thing that people don't seem to understand about Peterson when he's speaking about these topics is that he is citing data that come from studies. It's not a matter of opinion. Annie Lööf here seems more concerned about the human right of having choices in your life or the society in which you live and also that you are not oppressed from making those choices based on your gender. Peterson, however, is speaking about the results of societies adopting those ideologies. It's two separate conversations. The way to turn this into a gender issues is by twisting his words when it comes to the difference between men and women and which profession they choose. Men are more interested in things, women are more interested in people. Not only do I feel like this has been established long ago already, but wherever you go different occupations will pay differently. A man working in the service industry will not make as much as a woman working as an architect and vice versa. That's the gist of what he is saying. In a country like Sweden there are clear and basic laws that are gender neutral that establish a minimum wage and appropriate wage increase every year. It also takes into account years of experience or education. Nowhere does it say, "Man make this much" and "Woman make this much".
That is what i am saying. he is not from the boroughs around london. therefore not the highest quality. but yes. he has mastered some words. and concepts@@michaelespeland
@snorttroll4379 how is hos English not of the highest quality? He is, at least I think he is, born and raised in an English speaking part of Canada...
I learned about Jordan Peterson very recently. The more I listen to him and understand what he is saying, the more his messages become an eyeopener for me. The most important thing about him is that he speaks the truth, free from any artificially established trend, and based on proven facts. Feminism in Sweden is already so deeply cemented in the society as the only acceptable way of thinking, that almost everything he was saying in this program, no matter how true, was obviously falling on deaf ears. Which was, off course, expected :)
Annie is an ignorant, but also a sociopathic politician. She firmly believes here intellect excels that of Jordan Peterson. You can see it in her smirk.
This interview is so important because it highlights the difference in IQ and scientific basis between a professor and a politician. It's like looking at a lifeform from an advanced alien civilization trying to explain the inner workings of a black hole to an aardvark. Scary that some want people like her in charge of our country.
Ja haha, vilken pajas den rödtotten är - eller svenska politiker generellt - i jämförelse till den nivån Jordan ligger på i sitt sätt att kommunicera och svara på någons fråga. Tänk om Sverige hade fler politiker som hade samma skickliga förmåga att framföra ett budskap på ett sådant klockrent sätt som honom men också på ett sådant resktfullt sätt likaså.
This is the man who ACTUALLY gives a solution instead of mopping around and whining about the problem. This entire conversation is chef's kiss and I learned a LOT. God bless you, Mr. Peterson! 😇
The language barrier plays an important role in scientific conversations but in his case I believe his terminologies and vocabularies are extensive and only people at the same field and level of expertise understand his entire conversation without asking what he means or in case of us watching on youtube going back and forth to get what he says. Educated and different!
@@trumbaron she didnt misinterpret him. She went with the politically correct answers completely disregarding the data. Swedes and Norwegians May have accents & some wrong vocabulary but these people are highly educated so im sure they understand everything he says.
@@Djdkdkdndkzn1 I think she did misinterpret him in some ways. Most Scandinavians can the everyday English language. Academic languages and more advanced and higher-educated words are not teached in everyday schools. It's why a lot of Scandinavian students might find it hard when some subjects are in English because the language used is different and new/more advanced from what we are taught. So I feel quite confident when I say a lot of the words used by Jordan were words going over people's heads. But because they were in context most people understood more or less what he was saying. A bit of an essay ahead: She was talking about equality of choice. Something Peterson agrees with. But when he talked about equality of outcome, she repeated her point in a different wording because (most likely) she didn't understand or catch those were two different things he was talking about. If you watch her, you see her listening intently to him, and not just preparing for a new argument. She is silent, and polite as she watches him. Clearly, she is listening as you see she has reactions as he speaks(and not all of them seem negative). You see when a light goes off in her when Jordan makes a point that connects in her head. And you see her breathing getting slightly deeper(I might be imagining that, but to me, it seems like her breathing changes ever so slightly) when he talks about things that seemingly go against what she has been probably learning all her life(her viewpoint is extremely common in Scandinavia as you might know). Probably things she immediately does not agree with as she made an indication of thoughts/distaste with her face. In fact, they actually agree if you listen to what they both say. She wants children/both genders to have equality of choice and for her daughter not to be hindered because of her gender. Meaning gender equality and equality of choice. The miscommunication(and her confusion as well as negative emotions, and her feeling a need to repeat her point again) seemed to happen when the equality of outcome and gender differences was the topic. Something that takes away or hinders equality of choice, and equality of choice is something she clearly finds extremely important. This is my observations at least. I only watched the video once, so I might be talking out of my ass here. But you can watch it again if you want to verify my observations/claims. *Edit: I don't know how much you actually care about this, but I find it interesting and watched a video about this right after I wrote this comment. "JORDAN PETERSON vs SVERIGE" is a great video to watch if you are interested in this and the miscommunication happening all over this interview.*
I'm an asian immigrant living in Norway. When I was 18, I went to an electrician trade school. There were ZERO girls. Literally none, in four different classes. A lot of my female friends in asia are doctors, engineers and accountants. These are the same people whose parents raised them under the idea of "you need to have a good degree to succeed in life". No such thing exists in Norway, everyone lives comfortable here.
True! I moved from China to Sweden 17 years ago and to my surprise, the "equality" is so much talked about (social construction) but in really when it's come to carrier choices, there are way more chinese female professionel in traditionel male domineted areas. I always find it very hard to explain to my scandinavian friends because they assume Chinese women has less social status. This video made me finally realize how to explain it with words. Equality is very complex issue and we need to be more open minded and up to date with our believes and theories so we don't end up "working hard" to a different result.
@@jiamantang1344the reason for that is that women have to compete with men in those fields of work. Work is not given free to anyone, anyone who’s hiring someone wants to hire the best and it’s a battlefield out there. It’s a brutal competition and women has to compete in this envirement against men witch is only fair. A job should not be given to someone to fullfill a quota or beeing nice, it should be given to the best qualified person. That is how we move forward and develop, competition create’s the backbone for new science, medicine and tech.
Holy fuck you guys are judging. I’ve seen 10 comments about the "Scandinavian smirk". You guys simply can’t accept that people smile even if they know they are wrong. You believe she should be angry or sad. She is a truly happy, yes, maybe a bit delusional, but she is not smirking in a cocky way. It’s just the default face you make when your life is good. We Scandinavians even smile when things is going downhill. Even in the worst scenarios.
And she is a Politician? God help the Swedes . The difference in intellect between JP and the others is bordering embarrassment. Their inability to grasp another person's concepts, especially of such academic magnitude, is scary.
@@ottiliaeliasson5019 Honest question, do you think she is not very competent or maybe is a language difference. There are elections now in Sweden and i am just curious.
@@milanm403 She is the same way in debates in Swedish as well. So no it's not the language barrier. She seems to hear only what she wants to hear. Like someone else here said, she answeres way of topic.
Stupidity, simply. She may have been chosen to confront him in his own language, but she probably struggles to even register what he answers to the questions. Also, and more importantly, arrogance. She probably doesn't completely grasp the intellectual challenge it takes to combat an academic at JBP:s level, which she may regard as her mission. She may have a pre-concieved, self-boosted trust in her own ability to oppress her opponent by her meer presence.
The swedish politician quit her career some years later, she got overwhelming criticism in sweden for her general act and politics, its also funny to see that she smiles alot when he makes good points but tries to hide the smile, she knows hes right but her society currently dont allow thoose opinions
If I may... I don't make a habit of "speaking for others" and saying "What he actually said is...", but here I feel there may be a sort of language barrier between Dr. Peterson and the other people in the interview. Maybe some biases, I don't know, but some language barriers for sure. Especially because of the way Dr. Peterson speaks. His sentence structure is very complicated, even for a native English speaker. I will use a simple example to demonstrate my point / his point, so don't take it as "100% exclusive rule", but just an example to simplify. What the good Doctor is saying is that in more egalitarian societies, like Scandinavia, when you give men and women, boys and girls, truly free choices of opportunity in life, education and careers... In general, more women will chose to be nurses than men and more men will choose to be mechanical engineers than women. This is what he means when he says: "As the society gets more egalitarian the inherent differences between men and women become more apparent". This does not mean that some women will not choose to be mechanical engineers, leaders and construction workers and that some men will not choose to be nurses, kindergarten teachers and makeup artists. Some will because they can. But when you agregate the data across all professions and genders, women do choose more professions that deal with people, while men choose more professions that deal with things. In general. This is what the data shows, that Dr. Peterson is referring to. And this is not a bad things. Differences between men and women existing is not a bad thing. The bad thing, in my opinion, is to act as if they don't and discourage them. It IS bad to force women to act like men and men to act like women so you can claim you have perfect equality.
"As the society gets more egalitarian the inherent differences between men and women become more apparent". [100% wrong for the US when egalitarian measures around 1960 started moving women into traditional male roles. Did you also hear at 13:00 where JP disagrees that a good education is a good platform? What do you consider a smart idea by JP, timestamp?
It’s like they all agree on the same thing as far as what they want, but the panel has been so skewed by propaganda in these thoughts of late that they sit there, dumbfounded when he explains simple known science.
I still missing a discussion on "THEN what to do ".. if not social/culture construction on "forced" equality, would it be better? If we talk less about gender equality in school, only by technoloy developement, do we get a better "result"?
I think the panel should have included at least a Swedish expert in the same caliber at JP but with a different view so as to get a real debate. JP just steam rolled everybody by the wealth of his knowledge.
@@stuartwayne4978 no they weren't. one is a Swedish politician, the other is a Norwegian author while the interviewer is a Norwegian tv personality. so none of them has any expertise at all on the subject
It is sad that everyone who interviews Jordan peterson try to gutpunch him with questions other people often dont get, i have seen that show many times and they are always much softer to the other guests
Notice her eyes when he talks. To me it should not be accepted, to roll your eyes and judge others this way. Of course I know its just a thing but personally I find it highly disrespectful.
The difference between Dr Peterson and politicians is that not only does Dr Peterson answer questions he wants To answer them honestly whereas politicians don't want to be pinned to an answer and will only say what they think will benefit them, forward there politics and it's a problem when they won't take a stand for truth because they are terrified of not getting votes or upsetting their political base, even worse they lie for the same reasons.
Their questions were progressively getting lame. Went from political, psychological, sociological questions to them grappling to get a better idea of jp personally because he stupefied him. Unlike other hosts that belligerently continue to paint some oppositional agenda on him and argue without resolution, they genuinely seemed to question the slanderous reputation he’s been given within themselves, and had to figure out who he was to better reflect his ideologies. I feel bad for the one guy that never talked. He seemed interested but didn’t interject as much as maybe he wanted to.
28:00 The look on her face. She has to be so pissed of by the fact that jordans father actually spend time with his son teaching him to read etc, thats a little sad.
usually our choices are influenced by social and cultural norms, but if you try to remove these norms the only thing remaining "controlling" our choices is our biological biases..(dna) ex: women are more people oriented while men are more thing oriented. People will choose different if you leave them to their own devices.
@@yhvrfc32 Ok but I don't get it still. If it is based on norm, then girls will pick the nurse job and men the engineering job, but if they are able to choose, then the outcome will result in more female nurses and more male engineers? Is that what JP is saying? Why is that? I hear it is because of bio reasons. I am not denying its true, I am just trying to understand why?
@@nilspils5223 That norm is because of biology. Woke and extreme feminism tries to enforce new norms. For exampel to blindly try to eleminate the "pay gap" between sexes. Social engineering. Jordan says that without tinkering with norms the bio-norms (peoples free will) will "dominate" the field to a larger extent, which is good.
Jordan is playing chess and the rest of them checkers. I would definitely insist on gjetting an answer from the bold regarding the equality of outcome as she only comments on the equality of opportunity
I'm a swede and what I don't like are the quotas and equality of outcome. I have, just like Jordan, no problem with raising girls to stand up for themselves and be more confident and raise boys that it's okay to be more sensitive and agreeable BUT if more women still end up choosing nursing jobs and men go to engineering etc. we shouldn't try to force them to switch. Sure we can try and inspire women to follow their dreams even if it is to become a firefighter for example and show them how possible it is if they really want to go into that kind of work but don't blame society and men because women would rather work in nursing jobs when the women have actually chosen freely. Isn't that a definition of a free society and an equal society? Everyone should be able to strive for and dream about whatever job they want
On the surface especially from someone that is not Scandinavian it might seem like it was a fairly friendly and good conversation, but these people are extremely passive aggressive in a very Scandinavian way and took advantage of his honesty. When they couldn't argue his scientific points they asked about childhood in order to diagnose his "condition" and make him seem weak, incecure and a reason why he's opinion and mannerisms are so "unffiting" by Scandinavia standards. They also framed his audience as "lonely men" even though nost of his audience is regular guys. These are the types of people that are very hypocritical, will put on a fake face to seem friendly put deep inside they feel like they are so much better than you
And I actually think peterson missed these social ques because he doesn't understand how Scandivian people communicate, otherwise he would have been more aggressive and not answerd questions specifically those aimed at weaponizing his chilhood and honesty in order to paint him in a negative light. The irony is that peterson is actually so much more intelligent than these people, and also has contributed so much more to the world than these people ever will
The difference in this discussion is comprehension, equality to feminism is on leadership roles against men but choices makes it against the idea in reality.
10:00 There is only two ways men and women differ, one is cultural and one is biological. [Did he really say that? In what possible other way could men and women or cats and dogs differ?] People have noticed this for 25 years, it is a huge effect. [You mean like when egalitarian measures in the US resulted in women entering traditional male roles.] JP has studied gender personality differences for 20 years, do you know what that makes him? A gender studies major. 'If I raise my daughter to be self confident and have a good education she will have a good platform for jobs that require confidence and a good education.' JP: That is not what the evidence suggests. [So Jordy is denying a good education is a good platform? Whoops.]
Times are changing. This shows that shallow policies and a "nose in the air" attitude are bad for you. Almost murdered and sacked from the job as party leader.
So scary to hear Annie talking about how her daughter needs to be raised to be a leader. It creates such a disequilibrium in society to have all people everywhere expecting to become leaders and wanting to lead. Everyone can't be leaders. Teach your child humility and how to work together with others. Don't teach your child "how to be a leader". Your child will become a great leader if the people surrounding her trusts her and values her. Also, when really is it so important to "lead"? Such a small minded statement. She thinks that if you do not lead you are inadequate. Leaders decide, they rarely do the work.
It doesn't matter what you believe. If your hypothesis (belief) has been disproven (contradicted) a great deal, than that says the state of it. The next step then, is to divide and conquer until you are left with a reasonable solution. People are so stuck on their beliefs it hurts.. when you are presented with data, that should be the focus. At least if you care a smudge about the truth. Don't put people who snuff off relevant data like it's nothing, in charge of anything about it.
@@psychcowboy1 Everything is data if it is quantifiable. Spoken or not. The point I was trying to make is about focusing on solving a problem by the related data you are presented with instead of disregarding it, which will never end in a solution to anything.
@@g3mint446 I can't find a solution to anything by JP either. JP says he has studied gender personality differences for 20 years. Do you know what that makes him? A gender studies major.
Parents should stay together... unless it is an abusive relationship. Physically and/or mentally. Data for that definitely shows the children to be better off if the parents separate.
Dette er helt sjukt. Hvem er det som har satt opp det glasstaket over damene våre i Norden? Jeg har ikke sett det. Kanskje det bare ligger over Sverige, jeg vet ikke?!?!?
Although I somehow understand what Peterson is trying to say, I think he is describing it all in a very overly complicated, intellectualized manner, that quite gravely overestimates the intellectual capacity of his audience. Initially, I thought Annie was judging Peterson before he even said anything, but I ultimately think she defied Peterson's theories with a somewhat healthy skepticism, common sense, and lack of understanding
5:00 'We believe there is something pernicious about male competence and activity.' [Who is WE? That sounds made up.] It's appalling doctrine to call the West a tyrannical patriarchy. [But what about when JP said the West is an oppressive patriarchy in the John Anderson Dave Rubin interview?] Women have contributed. [Sorry not impressed.] Everyone who has an ability can benefit. [Sorry, not impressed.] Equality of outcome is a bad idea. [Strawman, no one is arguing for equality of outcome.] The more egalitarian the more difference in gender choices. [Sorry, 100% wrong in the US where equal opportunity laws resulted in men entering traditional male roles.]
What I appriciate with Annie Lööf is that AT LEAST you see she is trying to listen and understand, I mean look at the rest of the sociopath socialdemocrat politicians we have in Sweden. Oh well, now they are angry because they cant fund their bogus with lotteries anymore at least!
The diffrence between him and swedish politicians is that he actually answer to your question
More like the whole world's politicians
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@Stefano Castellanos because she wasn’t on the same wavelength as them, probably because of her lack of understanding in the English language.
That’s so accurate!
I'd say a bigger difference is that he, afaik, isn't a traitor to his country...
I am a young lady I listen to JP. In fact I love this guy.
why did we have to know you have a vagina?
13:25
“I don’t agree on that”
So she don’t believe in science when it’s inconvenient for her?
The most horrible thing about her disagreement with what the scientific consensus says, is that she thinks she's entitled to have an opinion on the topic and that her opinion is a valid answer against the scientific data.
@@EmilMToft Yeah exactly. She`s so entitled that she thinks she can have an opnion on that topic against the proven scientific data. Also against jordan who`ve studied and worked in that field for 30 years. I really don`t understand how so many people don`t want to believe science and biology. The world going on a downhill path
I think she means 'we don't agree on the fact that science said this.'
It's very sad as she had the opportunity to make a change , but decided to align to the ones making profits
@@Ariovistus50 Maybe, but that would be a rare case of Honesty vs 'Fidelity towards the party line', which is the rule in Swedish politics.
It is not by happenstance that all party leaders, out of the 8 parties that constitute the Swedish parliament has, not one - but a whole staff of - "press secretaries".
Her party's line is already carved in stone for this 4 year election cycle, for better or for worse yet even so she does her best to defend it.
So you may be right.
Personally, i think Annie played a passable game with the abominable cards she was dealt.
I am a socialist in Sweden. And I am fascinated by JBP's intelligence, way of communicating and forwarding his message in such a respectful and educated manner. Even though I don't agree with precisely everything he has ever said, I still am not, and no one should, be ignorant to the scientific data. Well done JP! No one is close to having your level of experience and expertise in the field. I admire you as an individual and even more so by the way you care about humans and especially young, lost and demoralized children in our world. You are doing great things and while you're doing good, then a natural effect is to receive hate and a lot of friction. A natural force of good, prevailing over the lost, beaten and the ignorant. Great interview.
We have to ignore the data otherwise we are not getting a profit. The main profit is made by keeping the society with a lack of knowledge and also sleepy. I think we are on a good path achieving that. We might experience a change when people understand it's not the year we need to change but the actual rotten system .
Why do you find it ok to have people put me in a cage if i dont use my money on things you want me to use them on?
I think the main thing that people don't seem to understand about Peterson when he's speaking about these topics is that he is citing data that come from studies. It's not a matter of opinion. Annie Lööf here seems more concerned about the human right of having choices in your life or the society in which you live and also that you are not oppressed from making those choices based on your gender. Peterson, however, is speaking about the results of societies adopting those ideologies. It's two separate conversations.
The way to turn this into a gender issues is by twisting his words when it comes to the difference between men and women and which profession they choose. Men are more interested in things, women are more interested in people. Not only do I feel like this has been established long ago already, but wherever you go different occupations will pay differently. A man working in the service industry will not make as much as a woman working as an architect and vice versa. That's the gist of what he is saying.
In a country like Sweden there are clear and basic laws that are gender neutral that establish a minimum wage and appropriate wage increase every year. It also takes into account years of experience or education. Nowhere does it say, "Man make this much" and "Woman make this much".
As a person who growing up in Communist China, I'm really disgusted by Westerners who claim to believe in communism. To me this is evil and vicious.
@@huevosolowell spoken.
Peterson's English is of the highest quality.
He is from the netherlands after all
I thought he was Canadian?@@snorttroll4379
That is what i am saying. he is not from the boroughs around london. therefore not the highest quality. but yes. he has mastered some words. and concepts@@michaelespeland
@snorttroll4379 how is hos English not of the highest quality? He is, at least I think he is, born and raised in an English speaking part of Canada...
I learned about Jordan Peterson very recently. The more I listen to him and understand what he is saying, the more his messages become an eyeopener for me. The most important thing about him is that he speaks the truth, free from any artificially established trend, and based on proven facts. Feminism in Sweden is already so deeply cemented in the society as the only acceptable way of thinking, that almost everything he was saying in this program, no matter how true, was obviously falling on deaf ears. Which was, off course, expected :)
same here
"The lack of your best hurts everything." That's so true, it gave me goosebumps..
JP: "It is not what the evidence suggests." Annie: " I dont' agree on that".
Annie is an ignorant, but also a sociopathic politician. She firmly believes here intellect excels that of Jordan Peterson. You can see it in her smirk.
He said the evidence doesn't suggest that a good education is a good platform. Score for Annie!
This interview is so important because it highlights the difference in IQ and scientific basis between a professor and a politician. It's like looking at a lifeform from an advanced alien civilization trying to explain the inner workings of a black hole to an aardvark. Scary that some want people like her in charge of our country.
The recent election results show that most Swedes want people like her in charge of our continent.
Jordy lost most points in this video.
@psychcowboy1 Yeah, with aardvarks like you.
Annie has no idea what she’s talking about.
She is a *muff*, she was at the time politician and a real twat... so ofc she don't know what she is talking about.
Så jävla roligt när man ser klipp härifrån som handlar om Jordan och så ser man Annie Lööf i bakgrunden XD
Ja haha, vilken pajas den rödtotten är - eller svenska politiker generellt - i jämförelse till den nivån Jordan ligger på i sitt sätt att kommunicera och svara på någons fråga. Tänk om Sverige hade fler politiker som hade samma skickliga förmåga att framföra ett budskap på ett sådant klockrent sätt som honom men också på ett sådant resktfullt sätt likaså.
I love watching Jordan peterson talk .I always feel more capable of understanding people having listened to him.
18:50 she loved that applaus, she lives for that..... my god
"Now thats where we disagree" no lady, with all due respect, this is not my opinion, this is a factual statement based on research. Im dying :')
Annie likes him for sure, but she would never admit it
so true
She looked really pissed off at him in the beginning, but I think she warmed up to him after listening to him explain his viewpoints more. 👍
People are that dumb
Think the bald guy felt the same..but needs to figure out the divorce bit first 😂😂
It's so satisfying to see him slowly destroying that "Scandinavian subtle smug" on their faces. That condescending Scandinavian look.
Oh, I know that face... God, do I know that face.. ..😒
As a Norwegian i see it more than anyone
This is the man who ACTUALLY gives a solution instead of mopping around and whining about the problem. This entire conversation is chef's kiss and I learned a LOT. God bless you, Mr. Peterson! 😇
JP has a solution to something? I have never heard him have one. What was it?
Thanks for putting this up 🙏
My new idol! Damn we need more of you! Al respect to you sir
Annie är så otroligt borta ! Jordan berättar det som forskningen vetat i över 25 år , då svarar hon " jag är av en annan uppfattning" .
Hon är fullkomligt urblåst.
Hon är helt borta asså
Thank God I found the whole thing 🫡
The language barrier plays an important role in scientific conversations but in his case I believe his terminologies and vocabularies are extensive and only people at the same field and level of expertise understand his entire conversation without asking what he means or in case of us watching on youtube going back and forth to get what he says. Educated and different!
@@camilorm7724 200%
Yes, and that is eveident in the way Annie keeps misinterpreting him.
@@trumbaron she didnt misinterpret him. She went with the politically correct answers completely disregarding the data. Swedes and Norwegians May have accents & some wrong vocabulary but these people are highly educated so im sure they understand everything he says.
@@Djdkdkdndkzn1 I think she did misinterpret him in some ways.
Most Scandinavians can the everyday English language. Academic languages and more advanced and higher-educated words are not teached in everyday schools. It's why a lot of Scandinavian students might find it hard when some subjects are in English because the language used is different and new/more advanced from what we are taught.
So I feel quite confident when I say a lot of the words used by Jordan were words going over people's heads. But because they were in context most people understood more or less what he was saying.
A bit of an essay ahead:
She was talking about equality of choice. Something Peterson agrees with. But when he talked about equality of outcome, she repeated her point in a different wording because (most likely) she didn't understand or catch those were two different things he was talking about.
If you watch her, you see her listening intently to him, and not just preparing for a new argument. She is silent, and polite as she watches him. Clearly, she is listening as you see she has reactions as he speaks(and not all of them seem negative).
You see when a light goes off in her when Jordan makes a point that connects in her head. And you see her breathing getting slightly deeper(I might be imagining that, but to me, it seems like her breathing changes ever so slightly) when he talks about things that seemingly go against what she has been probably learning all her life(her viewpoint is extremely common in Scandinavia as you might know). Probably things she immediately does not agree with as she made an indication of thoughts/distaste with her face.
In fact, they actually agree if you listen to what they both say.
She wants children/both genders to have equality of choice and for her daughter not to be hindered because of her gender. Meaning gender equality and equality of choice.
The miscommunication(and her confusion as well as negative emotions, and her feeling a need to repeat her point again) seemed to happen when the equality of outcome and gender differences was the topic.
Something that takes away or hinders equality of choice, and equality of choice is something she clearly finds extremely important.
This is my observations at least. I only watched the video once, so I might be talking out of my ass here. But you can watch it again if you want to verify my observations/claims.
*Edit: I don't know how much you actually care about this, but I find it interesting and watched a video about this right after I wrote this comment. "JORDAN PETERSON vs SVERIGE" is a great video to watch if you are interested in this and the miscommunication happening all over this interview.*
@@kunilsen2519 Quite a long comment. I completly agree with what you are saying.
Im a Swede, and what you see is the Scandinavian smirk. Sums up the entire interaction!
the fact that they cant understand the difference between outcome and oppurtunity is different things...
I'm an asian immigrant living in Norway. When I was 18, I went to an electrician trade school. There were ZERO girls. Literally none, in four different classes. A lot of my female friends in asia are doctors, engineers and accountants. These are the same people whose parents raised them under the idea of "you need to have a good degree to succeed in life". No such thing exists in Norway, everyone lives comfortable here.
True! I moved from China to Sweden 17 years ago and to my surprise, the "equality" is so much talked about (social construction) but in really when it's come to carrier choices, there are way more chinese female professionel in traditionel male domineted areas. I always find it very hard to explain to my scandinavian friends because they assume Chinese women has less social status. This video made me finally realize how to explain it with words. Equality is very complex issue and we need to be more open minded and up to date with our believes and theories so we don't end up "working hard" to a different result.
@@jiamantang1344the reason for that is that women have to compete with men in those fields of work. Work is not given free to anyone, anyone who’s hiring someone wants to hire the best and it’s a battlefield out there. It’s a brutal competition and women has to compete in this envirement against men witch is only fair. A job should not be given to someone to fullfill a quota or beeing nice, it should be given to the best qualified person. That is how we move forward and develop, competition create’s the backbone for new science, medicine and tech.
Fantastic to be able to share watch the whole unedited Skavlan interview!
No one can find a spot where JP outsmarted anyone.
It really bothers me of the demeaning way Annie is staring at Jordan. She's the provocative person in this interview.
Yeah, definitely.
Yeah. I think she warmed up to him during the interview, though!
Really irritating! I believe she did not even understand what Jordan explained..
Holy fuck you guys are judging. I’ve seen 10 comments about the "Scandinavian smirk". You guys simply can’t accept that people smile even if they know they are wrong. You believe she should be angry or sad. She is a truly happy, yes, maybe a bit delusional, but she is not smirking in a cocky way. It’s just the default face you make when your life is good. We Scandinavians even smile when things is going downhill. Even in the worst scenarios.
I am a woman. I love listen to Jordan. I think a lot of people would love to hear more of theese voices.
But are afraid to say it
As he was explaining, they were Starring at him, which tells me they didn't really understood what he was talking about to be honest you with.
Look at how it take three people to handle one Jordan Peterson.
And she is a Politician? God help the Swedes .
The difference in intellect between JP and the others is bordering embarrassment.
Their inability to grasp another person's concepts, especially of such academic magnitude, is scary.
This man is gold. Love Jordan Peterson.
Peterson truly is an "educated social scientist."
Annie Lööf doesn’t simply get it
21:59 laughing my head off when hearing him say this, four years prior to now. Even the audience aren't that shortsighted on the matter
Why what has happened since?
He is not provoking anyone though
Hon fattar ju inte vad han säger!
Ja, helt off topic när hon snackar
Ho snakka knapt engelsk stakkars. Inte så konstigt.
@@ottiliaeliasson5019 Honest question, do you think she is not very competent or maybe is a language difference.
There are elections now in Sweden and i am just curious.
@@milanm403 Here is an update for you. Her parti made a pretty bad election and she has resigned.
@@milanm403 She is the same way in debates in Swedish as well. So no it's not the language barrier. She seems to hear only what she wants to hear. Like someone else here said, she answeres way of topic.
”Learn her daughter” lmaooo
Look at that "smile" on Annie lööfs face, how do you interpret that?
Stupidity, simply. She may have been chosen to confront him in his own language, but she probably struggles to even register what he answers to the questions. Also, and more importantly, arrogance. She probably doesn't completely grasp the intellectual challenge it takes to combat an academic at JBP:s level, which she may regard as her mission. She may have a pre-concieved, self-boosted trust in her own ability to oppress her opponent by her meer presence.
Annie is smiling because she's admiring the wise professor's suit. It's made out of "husband material!" ..lol
I see everyone bashing this lady in the comments and I don't get why! She is just brainwashed but sat there and listened
The swedish politician quit her career some years later, she got overwhelming criticism in sweden for her general act and politics, its also funny to see that she smiles alot when he makes good points but tries to hide the smile, she knows hes right but her society currently dont allow thoose opinions
It still amazes me to see real human beings look jordan peterson in the eyes and genuienly think they can win in an argument against him.
Real humans capable of independent thinking can win an argument against him. Brainwashed agenda pursuers cannot.
Jordan is incredible!
No one can find a statement by JP that outsmarted anyone.
JUST LOVE THAT MAN! KB
If I may...
I don't make a habit of "speaking for others" and saying "What he actually said is...", but here I feel there may be a sort of language barrier between Dr. Peterson and the other people in the interview. Maybe some biases, I don't know, but some language barriers for sure. Especially because of the way Dr. Peterson speaks. His sentence structure is very complicated, even for a native English speaker.
I will use a simple example to demonstrate my point / his point, so don't take it as "100% exclusive rule", but just an example to simplify.
What the good Doctor is saying is that in more egalitarian societies, like Scandinavia, when you give men and women, boys and girls, truly free choices of opportunity in life, education and careers... In general, more women will chose to be nurses than men and more men will choose to be mechanical engineers than women.
This is what he means when he says: "As the society gets more egalitarian the inherent differences between men and women become more apparent".
This does not mean that some women will not choose to be mechanical engineers, leaders and construction workers and that some men will not choose to be nurses, kindergarten teachers and makeup artists. Some will because they can. But when you agregate the data across all professions and genders, women do choose more professions that deal with people, while men choose more professions that deal with things. In general.
This is what the data shows, that Dr. Peterson is referring to. And this is not a bad things. Differences between men and women existing is not a bad thing.
The bad thing, in my opinion, is to act as if they don't and discourage them. It IS bad to force women to act like men and men to act like women so you can claim you have perfect equality.
"As the society gets more egalitarian the inherent differences between men and women become more apparent". [100% wrong for the US when egalitarian measures around 1960 started moving women into traditional male roles. Did you also hear at 13:00 where JP disagrees that a good education is a good platform? What do you consider a smart idea by JP, timestamp?
It’s like they all agree on the same thing as far as what they want, but the panel has been so skewed by propaganda in these thoughts of late that they sit there, dumbfounded when he explains simple known science.
Jordan Peterson in 2018 was the strongest intellect in the west.
I don't think anyone would have taken him
Thank you🙂
I still missing a discussion on "THEN what to do ".. if not social/culture construction on "forced" equality, would it be better? If we talk less about gender equality in school, only by technoloy developement, do we get a better "result"?
Man and woman are not the same, they are different, DEAL WITH IT
Amen.
I think the panel should have included at least a Swedish expert in the same caliber at JP but with a different view so as to get a real debate. JP just steam rolled everybody by the wealth of his knowledge.
Well,these WERE the Swedish experts....😅😮😊
@@stuartwayne4978 Oh dear, oh dear🤡
@@stuartwayne4978 no they weren't. one is a Swedish politician, the other is a Norwegian author while the interviewer is a Norwegian tv personality. so none of them has any expertise at all on the subject
We aint got one
@@martinh1309 ...then what the hell were they doing trying to engage the wise professor in his field of expertise?
It is sad that everyone who interviews Jordan peterson try to gutpunch him with questions other people often dont get, i have seen that show many times and they are always much softer to the other guests
Notice her eyes when he talks. To me it should not be accepted, to roll your eyes and judge others this way. Of course I know its just a thing but personally I find it highly disrespectful.
YOU CAN NOT DISAGREE ON FACT AND PROVEN SIENCE!
Such close and narrow minded interviewers for such an interesting and intelligent mind, as JP are.
13:15. You don’t agree on what? The evidence?
Welcome to Sweden. Where facts doesn’t matter and you should only listen to everybodys feelings.
17:15 the look of complete lack of intelligence.
That's her standard face when it comes to all scientific data that doesn't comply with her own subjective and irrational opinion.
@@EmilMToft bra sagt. Rödtotten är borta nu dock. På tiden.
The difference between Dr Peterson and politicians is that not only does Dr Peterson answer questions he wants To answer them honestly whereas politicians don't want to be pinned to an answer and will only say what they think will benefit them, forward there politics and it's a problem when they won't take a stand for truth because they are terrified of not getting votes or upsetting their political base, even worse they lie for the same reasons.
Their questions were progressively getting lame. Went from political, psychological, sociological questions to them grappling to get a better idea of jp personally because he stupefied him. Unlike other hosts that belligerently continue to paint some oppositional agenda on him and argue without resolution, they genuinely seemed to question the slanderous reputation he’s been given within themselves, and had to figure out who he was to better reflect his ideologies. I feel bad for the one guy that never talked. He seemed interested but didn’t interject as much as maybe he wanted to.
13:00 to 13:26 Interesting when she thinks and Jordan gives the facts. Still, she doesn't agree, yet he knows the facts that back up what he says.
She doesn't agree with facts lmao
28:00 The look on her face. She has to be so pissed of by the fact that jordans father actually spend time with his son teaching him to read etc, thats a little sad.
10:19 why is it so that if you decrees the social/culture difference you increase the biological? Can someone please give me an example.
usually our choices are influenced by social and cultural norms, but if you try to remove these norms the only thing remaining "controlling" our choices is our biological biases..(dna) ex: women are more people oriented while men are more thing oriented. People will choose different if you leave them to their own devices.
@@yhvrfc32 Ok but I don't get it still. If it is based on norm, then girls will pick the nurse job and men the engineering job, but if they are able to choose, then the outcome will result in more female nurses and more male engineers? Is that what JP is saying? Why is that? I hear it is because of bio reasons. I am not denying its true, I am just trying to understand why?
@@nilspils5223 That norm is because of biology. Woke and extreme feminism tries to enforce new norms. For exampel to blindly try to eleminate the "pay gap" between sexes. Social engineering. Jordan says that without tinkering with norms the bio-norms (peoples free will) will "dominate" the field to a larger extent, which is good.
Clearly there is a language barrier here. Annie does not understand his scientific approach to the subject due to language.
Jordan is playing chess and the rest of them checkers. I would definitely insist on gjetting an answer from the bold regarding the equality of outcome as she only comments on the equality of opportunity
Great! Thx
Equal opportunity of choice and let the rest fall where it may
I'm a swede and what I don't like are the quotas and equality of outcome.
I have, just like Jordan, no problem with raising girls to stand up for themselves and be more confident and raise boys that it's okay to be more sensitive and agreeable BUT if more women still end up choosing nursing jobs and men go to engineering etc. we shouldn't try to force them to switch. Sure we can try and inspire women to follow their dreams even if it is to become a firefighter for example and show them how possible it is if they really want to go into that kind of work but don't blame society and men because women would rather work in nursing jobs when the women have actually chosen freely. Isn't that a definition of a free society and an equal society? Everyone should be able to strive for and dream about whatever job they want
As a Swede I would like to apologize to Mr. Peterson for the behavior of Annie Lööf. She does not represent the Swedes.
As a Swede, She's a good representation of the politicians
@@screamingapple6195 And a good representation of modern western women.
On the surface especially from someone that is not Scandinavian it might seem like it was a fairly friendly and good conversation, but these people are extremely passive aggressive in a very Scandinavian way and took advantage of his honesty. When they couldn't argue his scientific points they asked about childhood in order to diagnose his "condition" and make him seem weak, incecure and a reason why he's opinion and mannerisms are so "unffiting" by Scandinavia standards. They also framed his audience as "lonely men" even though nost of his audience is regular guys.
These are the types of people that are very hypocritical, will put on a fake face to seem friendly put deep inside they feel like they are so much better than you
And I actually think peterson missed these social ques because he doesn't understand how Scandivian people communicate, otherwise he would have been more aggressive and not answerd questions specifically those aimed at weaponizing his chilhood and honesty in order to paint him in a negative light. The irony is that peterson is actually so much more intelligent than these people, and also has contributed so much more to the world than these people ever will
@@3runrob JP had scientific points? Where?
The difference in this discussion is comprehension, equality to feminism is on leadership roles against men but choices makes it against the idea in reality.
There is no way this woman is a high profile politician. Lol.
Unfortunately she is, or was until recently actually.
She is
If you look closely, you can see Annie’s soul (what’s left of it) leaving her body.
Women dicuss this subject with emotions rather than objectivity and they want to take charge....
10:00 There is only two ways men and women differ, one is cultural and one is biological. [Did he really say that? In what possible other way could men and women or cats and dogs differ?] People have noticed this for 25 years, it is a huge effect. [You mean like when egalitarian measures in the US resulted in women entering traditional male roles.] JP has studied gender personality differences for 20 years, do you know what that makes him? A gender studies major. 'If I raise my daughter to be self confident and have a good education she will have a good platform for jobs that require confidence and a good education.' JP: That is not what the evidence suggests. [So Jordy is denying a good education is a good platform? Whoops.]
Did she practice that smirk and eyebrows drawn together in the mirrow before coming to the studio?
Times are changing. This shows that shallow policies and a "nose in the air" attitude are bad for you. Almost murdered and sacked from the job as party leader.
Annie Lööf tries so hard being ignorant here.
Jp is amazingg
Det är väl "teach my daughter", inte "learn my daughter"? Eller är jag helt ute och cyklar? Svengelska. 😅
Edit: stavfel
So scary to hear Annie talking about how her daughter needs to be raised to be a leader. It creates such a disequilibrium in society to have all people everywhere expecting to become leaders and wanting to lead. Everyone can't be leaders. Teach your child humility and how to work together with others. Don't teach your child "how to be a leader". Your child will become a great leader if the people surrounding her trusts her and values her. Also, when really is it so important to "lead"? Such a small minded statement. She thinks that if you do not lead you are inadequate. Leaders decide, they rarely do the work.
Jordy got destroyed in this video.
@psychcowboy1 explain please 😄
@@SunYard59 No one can find an intelligent statement by JP. When Annie said a good education is a good platform, Jordy disagreed, score for Annie!.
At what timestamp did this happen?
@@SunYard59 13:00, did you find any intelligent ideas by JP? Timestamp and quote?
Norway is difficult💀
Does someone know the papers?
It doesn't matter what you believe. If your hypothesis (belief) has been disproven (contradicted) a great deal, than that says the state of it. The next step then, is to divide and conquer until you are left with a reasonable solution. People are so stuck on their beliefs it hurts.. when you are presented with data, that should be the focus. At least if you care a smudge about the truth. Don't put people who snuff off relevant data like it's nothing, in charge of anything about it.
JP didn't really have any data.
@@psychcowboy1 Everything is data if it is quantifiable. Spoken or not. The point I was trying to make is about focusing on solving a problem by the related data you are presented with instead of disregarding it, which will never end in a solution to anything.
@@g3mint446 I can't find a solution to anything by JP either. JP says he has studied gender personality differences for 20 years. Do you know what that makes him? A gender studies major.
@@psychcowboy1 You no understand, me no understand, me leave it be, me better things to do.
@g3mint446 I agree, Peterson has no solutions based on data.
One can see on annies face that she doesnt understand what jp says, one can also see that she doesnt agree with what she dont understand.
Jordy got destroyed by Annie.
Women politician, lets just ignore facts and science. Proves his point. hahah.
I have to say it's admirable how Peterson listens patiently while that woman rambles on saying nonsensical things...
Jordan is King
He actually listen to people, while Politicians think they listen to people.
Parents should stay together... unless it is an abusive relationship. Physically and/or mentally.
Data for that definitely shows the children to be better off if the parents separate.
why is that woman so weird
She’s a swedish lefty politician. No further explonation needed.
Jordan: "thats not what the facts indicate"
lady " well we dissagree on that"
like what??? their facts, i cant dissagree
If Peterson wasn’t "controversial" he would never sit here at Scavland. That should tell you everything you need to know.
W Jordan b Peterson
I went into this with some trepidation, but it was okay just a little bit cringing at my fellow scandies
Annie 🤡
Clownie?
Dette er helt sjukt. Hvem er det som har satt opp det glasstaket over damene våre i Norden? Jeg har ikke sett det. Kanskje det bare ligger over Sverige, jeg vet ikke?!?!?
Although I somehow understand what Peterson is trying to say, I think he is describing it all in a very overly complicated, intellectualized manner, that quite gravely overestimates the intellectual capacity of his audience. Initially, I thought Annie was judging Peterson before he even said anything, but I ultimately think she defied Peterson's theories with a somewhat healthy skepticism, common sense, and lack of understanding
The opposition answers the questions without the reality of the world we live in
Ideals are what you struggle for
Facts are the judgemental framework
5:00 'We believe there is something pernicious about male competence and activity.' [Who is WE? That sounds made up.] It's appalling doctrine to call the West a tyrannical patriarchy. [But what about when JP said the West is an oppressive patriarchy in the John Anderson Dave Rubin interview?] Women have contributed. [Sorry not impressed.] Everyone who has an ability can benefit. [Sorry, not impressed.] Equality of outcome is a bad idea. [Strawman, no one is arguing for equality of outcome.] The more egalitarian the more difference in gender choices. [Sorry, 100% wrong in the US where equal opportunity laws resulted in men entering traditional male roles.]
What I appriciate with Annie Lööf is that AT LEAST you see she is trying to listen and understand, I mean look at the rest of the sociopath socialdemocrat politicians we have in Sweden. Oh well, now they are angry because they cant fund their bogus with lotteries anymore at least!
Anni löv kan ju knappt prata engelska