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No!! No!! No!! I want futuristic never before seen alien type xeno's not little water bugs. I read the books imagining them so scary and advanced in spacesuits or mad energy type creatures. Apart from that I absolutely love these series and books. Cheers Paul.👍🏽 Big ups Def.💯👊🏾
This is by far the hardest thing not to say to my brother, he stopped after book 2 and i have read them all. It's something that lingers when he talks through his thoughts about the show and its so hard not to blurt that the main series doesn't give a physical description
I feel the need to point out "Trisolarans" is pretty much a simple translation of "San-Ti." And I don't see why the San-Ti would feel bad about their size. They are a highly advanced technological species, and their size has allowed them to survive. Sounds like projecting human attitudes onto someone else. I don't think The Dark Forest makes much sense. Among other things it presumes no friendly contact between different civilizations EVER, that everyone sooner or later begins thinking in terms of resources which will take billions of years to use up to the degree they fear homicidal terror at "losing" this race for resources, that entire civilizations (pretty much all of them) will act with total uniformity and without effective active dissent vis-a-vis genocide forever, that all civilizations in fact demand growth at all costs (there have been human civilizations that absolutely rejected this, and I mean long-lasting major ones), etc.
Douglas Adams had an anecdote with a similar premise: a vast armada of hostile aliens were heading for Earth on a centuries long journey . When they arrived and began the invasion, due to a massive miscalculation of scale, the entire fleet was swallowed by a small dog.
Yeah, good comedy. Hence why it would be so silly and laughable if they actually introduce such tiny bug aliens in the show, LOL! It would completely change the tone for me.
Agreed. Quinns Idea's channel is amazing. I just found it, while looking for info on this show and I was blown away by how great his content is on the books, the show, as well as other Sci-fi stuff like DUNE
Glad to see the crossover of Quinn fans here excited for the shout out. Found him after watching Dune and helping me get immersed into that world as well.
Your shoutout for Quinn’s Ideas channel is a great reflection on your own channel - which I also watch loyally! Keep the vids coming and best wishes for your UA-cam success and DadLife(TM) ;)
I believe at one point in the main books they are described as having glass-like see through bodies that are moldable and allow you to literally see their thoughts. Combine that with the spin off description, as being tiny and bug like creatures that can dehydrate at will, you have a pretty decent idea.
if they were actually bug sized, the conflict between us and them would make no sense, as it would be pretty much irrelevant in terms of inter-specific competition.
@@romixfox4287 in the scene when is is speaking to “Lord” he tells them the people that oppose there cult are pests. I’m not completely sure on the actual wording. It is also when they say they are scared of us because we can lie after the he read them little red riding hood.
The Fermi paradox is utter bullshit. We've effectively observed the cosmos in a radius of 50 light years. It's like scooping up a bucket of seawater and concluding there are no fish in the ocean.
Except, it would be like scooping up that bucket to see no life at all, fish had to evolve from something. If life is not unique to Earth, then there should be some within 50 light years. I think you are seriously downplaying how "little" we've observed so far, in the context of the size of our universe, we haven't seen anything, but in the context of searching life, we've seen a lot.
@@cernstormrunner7263 I think it's an open admission that they see their physical form as inferior. What they achieved as a species is remarkable and borderline impossible in a system like that, but physically they're weak and easily destroyed
I thought it was kinda lame. I understand they don’t want us to see them just yet but come on, we wouldn’t like it is the reason? They’re literally on their way to conquer us😂
1. They need to "rehydrate" to be awaken from a dormant state 2. They have a hive mind "if one survives, we all survive..." which also explains why every new cycle, they start out more advanced than their previous cycle. 3. Bugs have been a theme this entire first season Conclusion: The aliens look like actual BUGS, only highly evolved 'bugs' who have similar features as the bugs on earth. And because of the hive mind, if only one alien survives, they all survive in that actual sense because they are one hive mind. What annoyed me a bit, was when Evans was reading a fairy tale and other stories to the aliens, as if he's been doing this all along and only "now" they started to ask questions? Didn't the "Sophons" (their spies) not see that humanity lies constantly and shouldn't been a surprise for them when Evans revealed humans could lie...? With every confict going on on the planet and so much more...? The "hive mind" shoudn't be like human civilizations, but it should have been a "culture shock" once their Sophons arrived on earth, but instead they already knew "how" humanity was, but not yet knew they deceived eachother? Hard to believe...
They aren’t actually a Hive Mind. They just communicate via showing their thoughts as light. They also can’t read thoughts, wich is why they jsut assumed that when a human says one thing and does another, they just changed their mind. Not to mention the Sophons aren’t actually omnipresent. They jsut swoosh around between important sites, they aren’t listening on in normal people constantly.
The 3-Body TV series likely accelerated the pace and condensed the plot, making it seem as though Sophon had been on Earth for an extended period, rather than just arriving a month prior to the scientists' deaths. Moreover, the series introduces a plot hole by portraying Sophon as an overpowering AI without realistic constraints, leaving viewers wondering why it doesn't just solve problems directly.
Also, the fact that the sophons were sabotaging our scientific results long before they found out they couldn’t trust us was also confusing. Maybe I missed something but did the old man/alien sympathizers know they were sabotaging science? If not, that would be the aliens deceiving us which supposedly they’re afraid of
@@putty-e2872yea, I wondered why the sophons couldn’t stop kill people directly since they’re literally intelligent particles. They could cause devastation if they really wanted to. Wipe out humanity by hacking into nuclear bases and nuking the world. Most of that nuclear fallout will be gone by the time they arrive. I also wondered if they had technology so crazy that they could program a particle, why can’t they just regulate their planets temperature and even gravity.
They weren’t being deceptive. They were doing it but just didn’t say anything. Everything happened right in front of scientists eyes but don’t know what is happening which took a while for them to catch on. Also how can we expect them to announce they are there when that is just our understanding of what an intelligent species would do if they don’t know deception.
@@shinbi6009 Exactly. Deceiving would have been leading us to the wrong answers rather than our sabotage. Much worse, we wouldn't even know it was happening.
I think deception. The sofons are not part of our current scientific paradigm. So to me, them using the sofons to change the sky and the collider readings “leans” toward being deceitful. The sky and readings are false imagery….they are liars who don’t like liars 🤔
@@mikelampt2418not true, unless you're a species that reproduces via binary fission🤣. Look up "bottlenecks" r/t extinction events...usually doesn't end well. Which is why historically, women weren't sent off to war
Only for a thought experiment, via natural selection the with the chaotic environment they survived it was no longer they advanced technically to the harsh conditions. Imagine a cockroaches that were just a little smarter than the rest survive in which they would communicate and build elaborate and complex structures to survive the heat. Termites already have developed a primitive form of air conditioning based on building design in which we have modeled.
Honestly, the scariest part isn't that our solar system is destroyed. It's HOW it's destroyed. Absolutely horrifying and nothing I could've imagined before I read the series.
I’m so thankful you’ve read the books! It’s my favorite science fiction series. I kinda hope you do a breakdown on HOW much Will buying Jin the Star goes to payoff in the future. That scene had me in literally tears 😭 Will was my favorite, besides Jack/Sam. Also, have you been listening to the official podcast? It’s such a nice bonus.
Should I try the books? I’m so tempted but I thought I heard there was issues with the translation? Maybe that person was wrong, hopefully! I was utterly fascinated by season 1 and it reminds me lots of other shows I like. I already know a lot of “spoilers” from future books like what happens with Will, Jin and the star he bought like you mentioned. Even with those spoilers I think I’m gonna try them!
Im watching the show now and I just wanna ask....was Auggie a annoying bitch in the books too? Her moral code enrages me. 1 the people on the ship deserved to die. It's like if it was a ship full of Nazis or pedos....except worse than Nazis or pedos....at least they didn't betray the entire human race....the people in the ship did. Her entire moral outlook during the show would be ok....if it didn't seem like she was willing to sacrifice the entire human race in 400 years just to save a few people now. Somebody in the show should have slapped her and called her a dumb bitch. She's got me mad as hell right now.
Great that they are "insect-sized" or even smaller (near microscopic) and consider humans "bugs"... And it makes sense considering the environmental inconsistencies of their planet... Nice that a sci-fi series does something other than paint bipedal humans a different color or add bumps/hair/pointy ears and then call them "aliens".... Anyway, thanks for the nice breakdown as always Paul!!
Thats just a fanfiction that the author complimented. The books imply they’re close to human size - they want to use the buildings and furniture already on Earth.
I think the most heads up you could give about spoiler is already at the name of the channel! Loved the adding part of the little heart attack tho hahahahha thanks for the content!
Was able to meet him back in July 2019 at Con of thrones . He is the most kind hearted and positive person! If you go to his channel he has amazing indepth break downs of the series!
Quinn is the best! I’ve found so much good sci-fi content through his channel. His TBP stuff is awesome, and so are his Dune videos. It always bums me out that the UA-cam algorithm does such a poor job of surfacing such awesome creators.
I was talking about cockroaches the other day. I've never actually seen one myself but apparently they are really hard to kill perfectly adapted for survival. And they stink according to my elderly parents.
Thanks for your Shout-Out to Quinn, he does give very detailed & astute analysis’s on the 3 Body Problem both the books and both the series, Tenent’s (Chinese), & Netflix’s.
Nice to see that you've been watching videos from "Quinn's Ideas." So have I. I actually didn't discover his channel until sometime during my watch of the Netflix show. Basically, during my watch of the show, I found out that it is based on a book series. Went looking for videos on the book series and found "Quinn's Ideas". Saw all the videos he had available on this book series, among others. After finishing the Netflix adaptation, I started watching Quinn's videos about the books. By now, I believe I have watched them all, including his 4.5-hour monster of a compilation video. Incidentally, via Quinn, I found out about the Chinese adaptation called "Three Body". This adaptation is 30 episodes and only consists of the first book in the series. I have been watching it via Amazon Prime, and I am currently on episode 22. Between the Netflix adaptation and the Chinese adaptation by Tencent, I really am wanting the entire book series to show up in live-action, including the book not written by the original author of the series.
"Begrudgingly" cosigned would be a more accurate interpretation of how this "spin-off" book was received by the original author. Enthusiastic? Excited? Happy to do so? Nope, couldnt use any of those terms 🤷🏽♂
Perhaps the idea for the Trisolarans was modelled on the G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs from Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy (pub 1979). "Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire (G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs) battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog.". 😄
Yeah I was just gonna suggest Quinn! I love this channel but he really gets into the nitty gritty of the books and comparisons. Those books are also DENSE, I read them and his channel helped a lot.
The Earth has been around for 5-8 billion years... and we only started looking for 60 years or so? That's like you are in the ocean and can't see any fish looking at the surface for one second.
@@didamnesia3575 it might be a shark and it could eat you, or it may be a sardine, and you will eat them. That said, it would not surprise me too much if the government made announcement with in our lifetime that there is contact with another lifeform. Be it a probe, alternative dimension, or communications. The pace of human technological advancement has been exponential the last 80 years, and its hard to believe we didn't get a boost at somepoint(s).
I think the point is if advanced alien civilisations exist wouldn't space be full of radio signals. Radio waves become weaker & weaker the further they travel. Maybe if they are that advanced they don't use radio signals and communicate in a way we don't understand. Maybe on a quantum level a bit like the sophons. Or just as scary there might not be any other advanced aliens out there just simple lifeforms. That's science we just don't know until we find out.
Heard people theorize that they communicated with visual thoughts, and that they have a metallic Shiney skin, so maybe like a cuttlefish with changing skin, but it always displays their true feelings and expresses for them. So lying would be hard if it happens unconsciously
Great video as always Paul and a huge shoutout for recommending Quinn's channel. I absolutely love it. I also love the fact that you help to promote it despite it being looked at as a potential competitor. For that, you have my deep respect sir. Have a great day.
Okay so a couple things. In the original Chinese book, the aliens are known as the Santi, only in the translated version are they known as the tricelorians. And the aliens were never really described in the original books, it was only in the fan made redemptions of time book that they were described, tho cixin liu did give his blessing on the book so it’s like half cannon. In the show you saw how they made those tiny computers, they first blow the proton to the size of a planet and THEN they create the computer on it, before shrinking it after they are done. So no there’s no evidence still in the show that shows what they look like at all
I smashed the like button BEFORE the smash-joke. Edit: is season two gonna be far in the future with a new cast or set next year with the same faces? Troubled I am.
I hope its the same cast, I really like some of the characters and their story isn't over. That said, we definitely need to see the future battle at some point, maybe towards the end of the show.
What hints? If we want to talk about what Liu Cixin intended, then we must discard 4th book. Then I would say if Trisolarans were that small, their ship sizes would not make sense. Also Yun Tianming having all that room to live (and farm) with them would not make sense eighter. If i remember correctly Trisolaran robots assisted him farming. If they were that small, wouldnt it make sense that their helper robots would be small too?
Another science fiction story with a similar premise is found in two novels by Greg Bear, THE FORGE OF GOD and THE ANVIL OF STARS. In those books, an alien species sends self-replicating machines to Earth to destroy humanity before they become a threat themselves. One difference between Bear's work and the 3 Body Problem is that in addition to malevolent beings in the universe, there are also benevolent extra-terrestrials who help humanity survive the attack. THE FORGE OF GOD is about the attack by the alien machines and THE ANVIL OF STARS is about the search for, and retribution toward, the destroyers.
Can I just point something out here. Everyone is saying they are bugs. Like tardigrades. They must have some fairly decent size to them to have the physical ability to create ships. And harness the power that they have. Also bugs are pretty resilient things. They would probably survive extreme heat or extreme cold.
I love that you shouted out Quinn's ideas. Ive been binging everything on his channel since i watched the show snd he goes into so much detail. I knew when I saw the title where you got the inspiration from to make this video. Cheers to other fellow men of culture who are enjoying 3body problem.
Actually in the Chinese Three body show in the last 2 episodes they are actually shown as humanoid bugs with tentacles like hand and translucent bodies
Thanks for the video. This is why I, largely, avoid modern science fiction. I also suspect this is why Hollywood is doing so poorly with film releases lately. Everything is the end of the world / apocrypha. Once, or twice, this is entertaining. But it gets really boring after a while. None of these science fiction authors have it in them to write something new/interesting. For those that care, esoterically speaking, the world is not coming to an end. Apocrypha is always local in nature. The world, and by extension, humanity will do just fine. Doomers aren't just boring... they are dumb. Ultimately most people who give in to this are just using it to excuse their own laziness. Actually making the world a better place takes a lot of work. FWIW, Aaron Cleary has a great book called the "Curse of the Hi IQ" that gets into some of the psychology. I just spent the weekend hanging out with a few billionaires. The positive nature of their vibe was really refreshing. It is just a shame so many, who could do what they do, talk themselves out of it. The world would be a much better place.
Goes back to the question in Jurassic Park. “Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should”
And all of this started because a few line of answers from a one handed woman. How such an, in her mind at that moment, insignificant individual actions became a catalyst for interstellar war(s), near demise of human race, and later, interdimensional war. A flap of a butterfly wings.
As we're are already discovering ourselves, it's relatively easy to find star systems that have planets in their "Goldilocks Zones." Those are the places we suspect could harbor life, and thus any sufficiently advanced species on the hunt for possible competitors ought to to be searching for such planets just as we are. So, why haven't they found us yet? Fermi's Paradox still holds true, even in the Dark Forest scenario.
I just wanna say you and new rockstars make the best breakdown content on youtube. The quality of both your work is always consistent. You both have well thought out theories the only channel that really has you beat in terms of depth is Film Theory.
Came to find out what they look like. Wasn’t disappointed, I like it and it made sense. Should have left this video sooner. 3:00 regret it. Already gave away the ending by telling who was the one that saw them. If you have not made this this far and only scrolling down on the comments. Do not continue to listen. Many many vital heavy spoilers.
Wow! Now it makes sense how the San Ti survived millions of years in a chaotic star system. They're like tardigrades! It's a wonder how many brain cells they got that they're capable of higher thought. Maybe they're sharing brain processing power among themselves?
am wondering how that answering santi was able to warn the lady not to send another message for fear of invasion, if his buddies can instantly read his thoughts.
@@FearMyLadyBits I just rewatched Quinn's video on Trisolaran biology. Looks like the Listener's actions WERE known by the society, and was eventually punished by their Princep (emperor) with a fate worse than death.
I dont like the fact as they are like small as bugs or microbes! I mean they can look the same but bigger! Because them being small and achieving tech and building a fleet doesn't sound like some one small like bugs
Like super intelligent ants. They probably have specific castes that do certain jobs. It was alluded to at the start of The Dark Forest where the ant is climbing the gravestone and how it is limited in in its perception of the world. Also on a planet like Trisolaris you would have thought they would have built underground cities to survive chaotic periods but the dehydration is an evolutionary process which even the plants undertake.
It's a great book series, but at times, the spin-off's theme didn't align with the original. However, it does describe the San-Ti, and it will be interesting to see what other parts of the spin-off they will use in upcoming shows.
The most disturbing part isn't that the solar system is destroyed, but HOW. I probably reread that section 20 times, just to make sure my nightmares would be accurate. 😂
So the "Dark Forest" theorem is an extension of Sutekh's supremacism in that he feared other lifeforms advancing beyond the Osirons (him in particular) in intellect and ability and sought to destroy such life preemptively before it became a threat; Sutekh is the ultimate general charged with Osiron security. Similarly, the Daleks are the ultimate xenophobes that seek to reduce the cosmos to a genomic singularity of only one sentient lifeform to exclusion of all others than themselves. I have several difficulties with the Three Body Problem. And the first is: the element of natural selection and environmental adaptation. The series makes assumptions as to the living conditions of the Trisolarens in that they are entirely land animals with no aquatic or subterranean variations of their form; unless their planet's crust and seas are not nearly as deep as ours or offer not mediating shelter from their environmental extremes in Chaotic eras? However, and as an example, terrestrial Tardigrades can survive a plethora of extreme environments and disasters without extermination or even death of single individual"water bears"; if a creature evolved on a planet of extremes they would surely develop a science and then a technology that would be as robust as them? And if the Trisolarens were able to build colony ships, to reach earth in 400 years, they could conceivably devise and fabricate artificial colony environments, removed from their planetary extreme periods, to stabilise their society while remaining within the home solar system or at the very least stay outside of the destructive influence of the tidal forces of their three suns? Secondly, and perhaps it's a cultural thing, I can never get to grips with the solipsism of Ye Wenjie in that she knowingly endangers humanity so selfishly; I understand the writer is making a point about the horrors and lasting psychosis induced by Mao's Cultural Revolution but even then it seems far fetched unless he is writing Ye Wenjie as not really understanding the full scale of the danger she has put her world in - sociopaths rarely see their motives as bad, just lacking in consequential cognition of their actions. Third, the Three Body Problem seems to be obsessed with ownership and money making as even in extremis the surviving humans retain rights to observable Stars named and effectively bought while on earth (when there was an earth) and there's no common good, just a mercantile mindset and selfishness in the survivors to exclusion of all others. Again, is this a cultural idiom that runs as an undercurrent in modern Post Communist China? Or is the writer merely embracing realism that we will slaughter and swindle our own for advantage even in the nadir of humanity? Let's hope the second series of the television adaptation stitches these plot holes together?
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No!! No!! No!! I want futuristic never before seen alien type xeno's not little water bugs. I read the books imagining them so scary and advanced in spacesuits or mad energy type creatures. Apart from that I absolutely love these series and books. Cheers Paul.👍🏽
Big ups Def.💯👊🏾
Also Quinns ideas is the absolute first place to go for sci-fi and especially Dune and 3body.
This is by far the hardest thing not to say to my brother, he stopped after book 2 and i have read them all. It's something that lingers when he talks through his thoughts about the show and its so hard not to blurt that the main series doesn't give a physical description
Thanks for shouting out Quinn. ❤
I feel the need to point out "Trisolarans" is pretty much a simple translation of "San-Ti."
And I don't see why the San-Ti would feel bad about their size. They are a highly advanced technological species, and their size has allowed them to survive. Sounds like projecting human attitudes onto someone else.
I don't think The Dark Forest makes much sense. Among other things it presumes no friendly contact between different civilizations EVER, that everyone sooner or later begins thinking in terms of resources which will take billions of years to use up to the degree they fear homicidal terror at "losing" this race for resources, that entire civilizations (pretty much all of them) will act with total uniformity and without effective active dissent vis-a-vis genocide forever, that all civilizations in fact demand growth at all costs (there have been human civilizations that absolutely rejected this, and I mean long-lasting major ones), etc.
Also, I love Quinn’s Ideas. He’s been my go to source for Science Fiction for 3+ years & the sole reason I got into this incredible series of books!
Yeah guys channel is amazing
Same, dude works his tale off and is worth the watch
Yea he be og syfi
Such a great dude to spend time with, everyone subscribe to Quinn
Yeah that dude puts out really great vids. He's rad.
Douglas Adams had an anecdote with a similar premise: a vast armada of hostile aliens were heading for Earth on a centuries long journey . When they arrived and began the invasion, due to a massive miscalculation of scale, the entire fleet was swallowed by a small dog.
Love that little bit from the novel. Big fan of the whole series.
Yeah, good comedy. Hence why it would be so silly and laughable if they actually introduce such tiny bug aliens in the show, LOL! It would completely change the tone for me.
@@Zeetana1 I love the idea that they're microscopic. Why would it change the tone? Viruses have killed millions of people on Earth.
I love that moment! Totally applicable to this book.
an armada of alien spaceships
destroyed by hydrochloric acid 🤣
Nice one shouting out Quinn's Ideas, his channel is next level for sci-fi / horror content, check him out!
Love his channel and this one.
Agreed. Quinns Idea's channel is amazing. I just found it, while looking for info on this show and I was blown away by how great his content is on the books, the show, as well as other Sci-fi stuff like DUNE
My favorite Sci-Fi UA-camr
Same, glad he mentioned him. I remember watching his take on the 3 body problem as well.
Glad to see the crossover of Quinn fans here excited for the shout out. Found him after watching Dune and helping me get immersed into that world as well.
Same
“Oh sorry, Tatiana. I think I accidentally stepped on your Lord…”
Actually a cockroach in the ships galley...cockroaches are hard to kill though...
Your shoutout for Quinn’s Ideas channel is a great reflection on your own channel - which I also watch loyally! Keep the vids coming and best wishes for your UA-cam success and DadLife(TM) ;)
thank you man, much appreciated
I believe at one point in the main books they are described as having glass-like see through bodies that are moldable and allow you to literally see their thoughts.
Combine that with the spin off description, as being tiny and bug like creatures that can dehydrate at will, you have a pretty decent idea.
I like the glass like description but that bug like size is shit... Maybe increase their size
@@pthespidey5057 It's not shit when you think about how small creatures (viruses, bacteria) already kill us in the real world.
@@pthespidey5057 🤣🤣🤣 so if we discover that the aliens are like bugs or like octopus (the Arrival), humanity shouldn't take aliens with a warning?
if they were actually bug sized, the conflict between us and them would make no sense, as it would be pretty much irrelevant in terms of inter-specific competition.
So glad to see Quinn’s Ideas get a shout out. Every sci-fi fan should be watching his content.
Now I understand why they got upset by the “pests” remark. He offended them and told them we squish tiny organisms.
What scene was this?
@@romixfox4287 in the scene when is is speaking to “Lord” he tells them the people that oppose there cult are pests. I’m not completely sure on the actual wording. It is also when they say they are scared of us because we can lie after the he read them little red riding hood.
@@GlobeHard aww yeah gotta watch this scene again! All dots are connected 🤯
The Fermi paradox is utter bullshit.
We've effectively observed the cosmos in a radius of 50 light years.
It's like scooping up a bucket of seawater and concluding there are no fish in the ocean.
Except, it would be like scooping up that bucket to see no life at all, fish had to evolve from something. If life is not unique to Earth, then there should be some within 50 light years.
I think you are seriously downplaying how "little" we've observed so far, in the context of the size of our universe, we haven't seen anything, but in the context of searching life, we've seen a lot.
This is not the best analogy. There is a lot more life in the ocean besides fish and that bucket of seawater is teaming with life.
"You wouldn't like it."
Anyone get creeped out by that line?
Not really. Imagine how we appear to the San-Ti
@@antonycharnock2993 i guess its just neat that they would admit that. I kind of hope we never see them.
@@cernstormrunner7263 I think it's an open admission that they see their physical form as inferior.
What they achieved as a species is remarkable and borderline impossible in a system like that, but physically they're weak and easily destroyed
I thought it was kinda lame. I understand they don’t want us to see them just yet but come on, we wouldn’t like it is the reason? They’re literally on their way to conquer us😂
@@randomdaveUKI would think that’s the true reason aswell but really confusing when you think about how they can’t really lie
I love Quinn's ideas! So cool to see you shout him out as well. I found him once the first dune trailer dropped and have been a fan since.
1. They need to "rehydrate" to be awaken from a dormant state
2. They have a hive mind "if one survives, we all survive..." which also explains why every new cycle, they start out more advanced than their previous cycle.
3. Bugs have been a theme this entire first season
Conclusion:
The aliens look like actual BUGS, only highly evolved 'bugs' who have similar features as the bugs on earth.
And because of the hive mind, if only one alien survives, they all survive in that actual sense because they are one hive mind.
What annoyed me a bit, was when Evans was reading a fairy tale and other stories to the aliens, as if he's been doing this all along and only "now" they started to ask questions?
Didn't the "Sophons" (their spies) not see that humanity lies constantly and shouldn't been a surprise for them when Evans revealed humans could lie...? With every confict going on on the planet and so much more...?
The "hive mind" shoudn't be like human civilizations, but it should have been a "culture shock" once their Sophons arrived on earth, but instead they already knew "how" humanity was, but not yet knew they deceived eachother? Hard to believe...
Yeah. I struggled with that. It's not like the Sophons couldn't access an entire history worth of human knowledge
They aren’t actually a Hive Mind. They just communicate via showing their thoughts as light.
They also can’t read thoughts, wich is why they jsut assumed that when a human says one thing and does another, they just changed their mind. Not to mention the Sophons aren’t actually omnipresent. They jsut swoosh around between important sites, they aren’t listening on in normal people constantly.
The 3-Body TV series likely accelerated the pace and condensed the plot, making it seem as though Sophon had been on Earth for an extended period, rather than just arriving a month prior to the scientists' deaths. Moreover, the series introduces a plot hole by portraying Sophon as an overpowering AI without realistic constraints, leaving viewers wondering why it doesn't just solve problems directly.
Also, the fact that the sophons were sabotaging our scientific results long before they found out they couldn’t trust us was also confusing. Maybe I missed something but did the old man/alien sympathizers know they were sabotaging science? If not, that would be the aliens deceiving us which supposedly they’re afraid of
@@putty-e2872yea, I wondered why the sophons couldn’t stop kill people directly since they’re literally intelligent particles. They could cause devastation if they really wanted to. Wipe out humanity by hacking into nuclear bases and nuking the world. Most of that nuclear fallout will be gone by the time they arrive. I also wondered if they had technology so crazy that they could program a particle, why can’t they just regulate their planets temperature and even gravity.
The Santi don't know deception yet deception is exactly how the Santi mess with human science. Shout out to Quinn too!
They weren’t being deceptive. They were doing it but just didn’t say anything. Everything happened right in front of scientists eyes but don’t know what is happening which took a while for them to catch on. Also how can we expect them to announce they are there when that is just our understanding of what an intelligent species would do if they don’t know deception.
@@shinbi6009 Exactly. Deceiving would have been leading us to the wrong answers rather than our sabotage. Much worse, we wouldn't even know it was happening.
I think deception. The sofons are not part of our current scientific paradigm. So to me, them using the sofons to change the sky and the collider readings “leans” toward being deceitful. The sky and readings are false imagery….they are liars who don’t like liars 🤔
Ok guys. This not being deceptive is really leaning hard on the "You never asked me if I had kids." 😂😂😂
@@Wolvesarechasingme thats actually a funny but good example.
San-Ti is the name used in the Chinese version of the book, so its still accurate.
san means 3 in mandarin. ti might be a simplified version of sun: Tàiyáng
Ti means object@@badrequest5596
@@badrequest5596 it has a weird double meaning of 'saints' in Italian too which i presume to be accidental but possibly not
"Ti" in Mandarin actually translates to "body" (mass).... so San-Ti = Three-Body ...
@@tonyprohaska interesting 🤔
Bugs are nearly IMMPOSSIBLE to wipe out!
If one of use survives we all do
@@mikelampt2418not true, unless you're a species that reproduces via binary fission🤣.
Look up "bottlenecks" r/t extinction events...usually doesn't end well. Which is why historically, women weren't sent off to war
@@mikelampt2418use?
if they are bugs, I doubt they would call us " bugs".......
Only for a thought experiment, via natural selection the with the chaotic environment they survived it was no longer they advanced technically to the harsh conditions. Imagine a cockroaches that were just a little smarter than the rest survive in which they would communicate and build elaborate and complex structures to survive the heat. Termites already have developed a primitive form of air conditioning based on building design in which we have modeled.
Honestly, the scariest part isn't that our solar system is destroyed. It's HOW it's destroyed. Absolutely horrifying and nothing I could've imagined before I read the series.
Wasn’t it described as being unpainful?
@@reguluscircuslol
That's one of the most spectacular scenes I've ever read, and can't wait to see it play out on the screen 😮
@@shazanali8551 answer the question lmao I read the books and I’m pretty sure it wasn’t painful
I've just finished The Dark Forest and found out what "The Spell" was...
Excellent 10min summary!!! so many other drag this stuff out for hours... well done!!
Excellent! Yes, I brgan to suspect they were bug-like due to those clues, too. Tardigrades are cool!
I’m so thankful you’ve read the books! It’s my favorite science fiction series. I kinda hope you do a breakdown on HOW much Will buying Jin the Star goes to payoff in the future. That scene had me in literally tears 😭 Will was my favorite, besides Jack/Sam. Also, have you been listening to the official podcast? It’s such a nice bonus.
Should I try the books? I’m so tempted but I thought I heard there was issues with the translation? Maybe that person was wrong, hopefully!
I was utterly fascinated by season 1 and it reminds me lots of other shows I like.
I already know a lot of “spoilers” from future books like what happens with Will, Jin and the star he bought like you mentioned. Even with those spoilers I think I’m gonna try them!
Im watching the show now and I just wanna ask....was Auggie a annoying bitch in the books too? Her moral code enrages me. 1 the people on the ship deserved to die. It's like if it was a ship full of Nazis or pedos....except worse than Nazis or pedos....at least they didn't betray the entire human race....the people in the ship did. Her entire moral outlook during the show would be ok....if it didn't seem like she was willing to sacrifice the entire human race in 400 years just to save a few people now. Somebody in the show should have slapped her and called her a dumb bitch. She's got me mad as hell right now.
Great that they are "insect-sized" or even smaller (near microscopic) and consider humans "bugs"... And it makes sense considering the environmental inconsistencies of their planet...
Nice that a sci-fi series does something other than paint bipedal humans a different color or add bumps/hair/pointy ears and then call them "aliens"....
Anyway, thanks for the nice breakdown as always Paul!!
Thats just a fanfiction that the author complimented. The books imply they’re close to human size - they want to use the buildings and furniture already on Earth.
Absolutely love the idea of them being so tiny.
@UCmakQ_8FIxs7b1tJUHG4E_g Thank you, I really appreciate that. Love this channel and energy is awesome.
Quinn is my go-to chan for Dune and Foundation as well :)
I think the most heads up you could give about spoiler is already at the name of the channel! Loved the adding part of the little heart attack tho hahahahha thanks for the content!
I found Quinn’s Ideas directly after watching the show. Amazing insight and breakdowns.
Shout out to Quinn’s Ideas!
THIS
Yup he's the one that showed me these books.
A legend
Was able to meet him back in July 2019 at Con of thrones . He is the most kind hearted and positive person! If you go to his channel he has amazing indepth break downs of the series!
Quinn is the best! I’ve found so much good sci-fi content through his channel. His TBP stuff is awesome, and so are his Dune videos.
It always bums me out that the UA-cam algorithm does such a poor job of surfacing such awesome creators.
1:47 Ask any pest control agent exterminating cockroaches and they'll always say, _"If one survives they all survive."_
I was talking about cockroaches the other day. I've never actually seen one myself but apparently they are really hard to kill perfectly adapted for survival. And they stink according to my elderly parents.
@@antonycharnock2993"apparently" umm or just simply look up cockroaches on Google You weird one
Thanks for your Shout-Out to Quinn, he does give very detailed & astute analysis’s on the 3 Body Problem both the books and both the series, Tenent’s (Chinese), & Netflix’s.
It's because of Quinn I got into the Remembrance of Earth's Past trilogy. His videos on the Dune books are also killer 🤘🏻
Quinn is the fucking MAN! Got me hooked on this series and MANY others! Definitely worth the sub!
Nice to see that you've been watching videos from "Quinn's Ideas." So have I. I actually didn't discover his channel until sometime during my watch of the Netflix show. Basically, during my watch of the show, I found out that it is based on a book series.
Went looking for videos on the book series and found "Quinn's Ideas". Saw all the videos he had available on this book series, among others. After finishing the Netflix adaptation, I started watching Quinn's videos about the books. By now, I believe I have watched them all, including his 4.5-hour monster of a compilation video.
Incidentally, via Quinn, I found out about the Chinese adaptation called "Three Body". This adaptation is 30 episodes and only consists of the first book in the series. I have been watching it via Amazon Prime, and I am currently on episode 22.
Between the Netflix adaptation and the Chinese adaptation by Tencent, I really am wanting the entire book series to show up in live-action, including the book not written by the original author of the series.
Damm 🫡
Really nice of you to talk about Quinn’s Ideas channel 👏👏👏. His video are great
Quinn's Ideas is one of the best UA-cam channels out there!!
"Begrudgingly" cosigned would be a more accurate interpretation of how this "spin-off" book was received by the original author. Enthusiastic? Excited? Happy to do so? Nope, couldnt use any of those terms 🤷🏽♂
Perhaps the idea for the Trisolarans was modelled on the G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs from Douglas Adams' Hitchhikers Guide To The Galaxy (pub 1979). "Due to a terrible miscalculation of scale the entire (G'Gugvuntts and Vl'hurgs) battle fleet was swallowed by a small dog.". 😄
Quinn is great. Glad you gave him a shout-out.
Yeah I was just gonna suggest Quinn! I love this channel but he really gets into the nitty gritty of the books and comparisons. Those books are also DENSE, I read them and his channel helped a lot.
It’s been said a bunch, but for anything sci-fi, Quinn is the go to
tardigrades ( water bears) are tiny but we couldn’t crush or kill it if we wanted to. 😂😂
180.9 °F
People getting pissed that a channel called heavy spoilers spoiled something for them is senseless
All that I know about the 3 body problem is thanks to Quinn. He made me fall in love with this book and Dune.
Great recommendation on Quinn's ideas, i've been enjoying his videos.
Yeah Quinns channel is ny favorite, he has the absolute best recommendations and simplifies the stories so anyone can understand
We know that they’re shiny too. Highly reflective skins (or exoskeleton) and it’s why their technology is the same. Ie, the virtual headset.
The Earth has been around for 5-8 billion years... and we only started looking for 60 years or so? That's like you are in the ocean and can't see any fish looking at the surface for one second.
This is my favorite analogy for people that say "wtf no aliens?!?!?!"
Then after a long time, and rarely, a shark comes up and eats ya. Not all the time, but eventually
@@didamnesia3575 it might be a shark and it could eat you, or it may be a sardine, and you will eat them. That said, it would not surprise me too much if the government made announcement with in our lifetime that there is contact with another lifeform. Be it a probe, alternative dimension, or communications. The pace of human technological advancement has been exponential the last 80 years, and its hard to believe we didn't get a boost at somepoint(s).
I think the point is if advanced alien civilisations exist wouldn't space be full of radio signals. Radio waves become weaker & weaker the further they travel. Maybe if they are that advanced they don't use radio signals and communicate in a way we don't understand. Maybe on a quantum level a bit like the sophons. Or just as scary there might not be any other advanced aliens out there just simple lifeforms. That's science we just don't know until we find out.
Following quin since 3-4 years loved his content
Quinn rocks! Nice shout out!
Heard people theorize that they communicated with visual thoughts, and that they have a metallic Shiney skin, so maybe like a cuttlefish with changing skin, but it always displays their true feelings and expresses for them. So lying would be hard if it happens unconsciously
Great video as always Paul and a huge shoutout for recommending Quinn's channel. I absolutely love it. I also love the fact that you help to promote it despite it being looked at as a potential competitor. For that, you have my deep respect sir. Have a great day.
Okay so a couple things. In the original Chinese book, the aliens are known as the Santi, only in the translated version are they known as the tricelorians. And the aliens were never really described in the original books, it was only in the fan made redemptions of time book that they were described, tho cixin liu did give his blessing on the book so it’s like half cannon. In the show you saw how they made those tiny computers, they first blow the proton to the size of a planet and THEN they create the computer on it, before shrinking it after they are done. So no there’s no evidence still in the show that shows what they look like at all
Quinn’s ideas is the one who got me into Dune. I didn’t know sht till I watched his videos. Also FilmComicsExplained is another amazing video.
In the book series, they were the size of grains of rice and scurried around like bugs.. The irony!
I smashed the like button BEFORE the smash-joke.
Edit: is season two gonna be far in the future with a new cast or set next year with the same faces? Troubled I am.
I hope its the same cast, I really like some of the characters and their story isn't over. That said, we definitely need to see the future battle at some point, maybe towards the end of the show.
It will be the same cast because DnD were smart enough to include all the main protagonists of the story in season one.
There are some hints that Trisolarans are the size of bugs. That's how they were able to dehydrate and hydrate at will.
What hints? If we want to talk about what Liu Cixin intended, then we must discard 4th book. Then I would say if Trisolarans were that small, their ship sizes would not make sense. Also Yun Tianming having all that room to live (and farm) with them would not make sense eighter. If i remember correctly Trisolaran robots assisted him farming. If they were that small, wouldnt it make sense that their helper robots would be small too?
Good on you for shouting out quinns ideas, great channel! Yours is OK too I guess. 😂
The whole video example you have cracked me up 😂
Quinn is awesome for sure. Love his breakdowns
Great analysis of their psychology and society. Also excellent economy of words. You informed a lot in quite a small amount of time, very nice!
Enjoyed this series way more than I thought would. Looking forward to season 2.
Lowkey expected Quinn to show up here.
love the fact highlights the like button every time you say like in the video
Another science fiction story with a similar premise is found in two novels by Greg Bear, THE FORGE OF GOD and THE ANVIL OF STARS. In those books, an alien species sends self-replicating machines to Earth to destroy humanity before they become a threat themselves. One difference between Bear's work and the 3 Body Problem is that in addition to malevolent beings in the universe, there are also benevolent extra-terrestrials who help humanity survive the attack. THE FORGE OF GOD is about the attack by the alien machines and THE ANVIL OF STARS is about the search for, and retribution toward, the destroyers.
Paul, you're back. Since I'm also Paul, I like hearing: "I'm your hoast Paul" Thanks for the details on the San-TI
favorite part in the series is when re-animated dudebro describes how the young trisolarans like to listen to his stories. it’s so precious
One thing i still dont get, the sophons can apparently show you things, like time counters. Why dont they just make everyone blind?
So many plot holes
Can I just point something out here. Everyone is saying they are bugs. Like tardigrades. They must have some fairly decent size to them to have the physical ability to create ships. And harness the power that they have. Also bugs are pretty resilient things. They would probably survive extreme heat or extreme cold.
Your video is the first I've seen where you mention "Like Button" in the video and a rainbow aura emerged around the like button boxes. Pretty neat!
I love that you shouted out Quinn's ideas.
Ive been binging everything on his channel since i watched the show snd he goes into so much detail.
I knew when I saw the title where you got the inspiration from to make this video.
Cheers to other fellow men of culture who are enjoying 3body problem.
Actually in the Chinese Three body show in the last 2 episodes they are actually shown as humanoid bugs with tentacles like hand and translucent bodies
Quinn is how i came to know about 3 body problem books
2:11 the like button lighstup :O
Love your shout-out to Quinn!!!
"Is this going to be a stand up fight, sir, or another bug hunt??" - Corporal Hicks, Aliens 1986.
Quinn is fantastic
Is anybody think that maybe the humans in the show were tricked into thinking they lost a head in space??
I was so focused until 3:20 and then I just couldn’t stop laughing 😂
Thanks for the video.
This is why I, largely, avoid modern science fiction. I also suspect this is why Hollywood is doing so poorly with film releases lately. Everything is the end of the world / apocrypha. Once, or twice, this is entertaining. But it gets really boring after a while.
None of these science fiction authors have it in them to write something new/interesting.
For those that care, esoterically speaking, the world is not coming to an end. Apocrypha is always local in nature. The world, and by extension, humanity will do just fine. Doomers aren't just boring... they are dumb. Ultimately most people who give in to this are just using it to excuse their own laziness. Actually making the world a better place takes a lot of work.
FWIW, Aaron Cleary has a great book called the "Curse of the Hi IQ" that gets into some of the psychology.
I just spent the weekend hanging out with a few billionaires. The positive nature of their vibe was really refreshing. It is just a shame so many, who could do what they do, talk themselves out of it. The world would be a much better place.
It's like an anti-Star Trek vision. Nice you gave a shoutout to Quinn's Ideas! Definitely a great channel.
Love Quinn's Ideas.
Any chance you can review Supacell?
Dang, the like button even glowed when you reminded me to press it 🤣
Seen your videos before, but never seen you till now. Can i just say wow, you are very handsome man. Also great video, loved this show.
"When you say these videos are sh*t, and then you make one yourself, and you look f*cking stupid!" As a fellow UA-camr, I adore this comment.
Technically not canon but I also really enjoy the interpretation, and clearly cixin did as well
Quinn introduced me to the 3 Body Problem
Blew my mind.
Goes back to the question in Jurassic Park.
“Your Scientists Were So Preoccupied With Whether Or Not They Could, They Didn’t Stop To Think If They Should”
And all of this started because a few line of answers from a one handed woman. How such an, in her mind at that moment, insignificant individual actions became a catalyst for interstellar war(s), near demise of human race, and later, interdimensional war.
A flap of a butterfly wings.
Quinn's Ideas is usually where I go first for this stuff I'm glad he's getting more recognition ❤
As we're are already discovering ourselves, it's relatively easy to find star systems that have planets in their "Goldilocks Zones." Those are the places we suspect could harbor life, and thus any sufficiently advanced species on the hunt for possible competitors ought to to be searching for such planets just as we are. So, why haven't they found us yet? Fermi's Paradox still holds true, even in the Dark Forest scenario.
I just wanna say you and new rockstars make the best breakdown content on youtube.
The quality of both your work is always consistent. You both have well thought out theories the only channel that really has you beat in terms of depth is Film Theory.
Came to find out what they look like. Wasn’t disappointed, I like it and it made sense. Should have left this video sooner. 3:00 regret it. Already gave away the ending by telling who was the one that saw them. If you have not made this this far and only scrolling down on the comments. Do not continue to listen. Many many vital heavy spoilers.
Wow! Now it makes sense how the San Ti survived millions of years in a chaotic star system. They're like tardigrades! It's a wonder how many brain cells they got that they're capable of higher thought. Maybe they're sharing brain processing power among themselves?
Yes! Thanks to their telepathy they can share brain power
am wondering how that answering santi was able to warn the lady not to send another message for fear of invasion, if his buddies can instantly read his thoughts.
@@FearMyLadyBits I just rewatched Quinn's video on Trisolaran biology. Looks like the Listener's actions WERE known by the society, and was eventually punished by their Princep (emperor) with a fate worse than death.
I dont like the fact as they are like small as bugs or microbes! I mean they can look the same but bigger! Because them being small and achieving tech and building a fleet doesn't sound like some one small like bugs
Like super intelligent ants. They probably have specific castes that do certain jobs. It was alluded to at the start of The Dark Forest where the ant is climbing the gravestone and how it is limited in in its perception of the world. Also on a planet like Trisolaris you would have thought they would have built underground cities to survive chaotic periods but the dehydration is an evolutionary process which even the plants undertake.
dude the like button lit up when you siad like button, didn't know that was a thing
Love the show hope there is more seasons
Really excited for S2 of this series.
Thank you
It's a great book series, but at times, the spin-off's theme didn't align with the original. However, it does describe the San-Ti, and it will be interesting to see what other parts of the spin-off they will use in upcoming shows.
The most disturbing part isn't that the solar system is destroyed, but HOW. I probably reread that section 20 times, just to make sure my nightmares would be accurate. 😂
So the "Dark Forest" theorem is an extension of Sutekh's supremacism in that he feared other lifeforms advancing beyond the Osirons (him in particular) in intellect and ability and sought to destroy such life preemptively before it became a threat; Sutekh is the ultimate general charged with Osiron security.
Similarly, the Daleks are the ultimate xenophobes that seek to reduce the cosmos to a genomic singularity of only one sentient lifeform to exclusion of all others than themselves.
I have several difficulties with the Three Body Problem. And the first is: the element of natural selection and environmental adaptation. The series makes assumptions as to the living conditions of the Trisolarens in that they are entirely land animals with no aquatic or subterranean variations of their form; unless their planet's crust and seas are not nearly as deep as ours or offer not mediating shelter from their environmental extremes in Chaotic eras?
However, and as an example, terrestrial Tardigrades can survive a plethora of extreme environments and disasters without extermination or even death of single individual"water bears"; if a creature evolved on a planet of extremes they would surely develop a science and then a technology that would be as robust as them? And if the Trisolarens were able to build colony ships, to reach earth in 400 years, they could conceivably devise and fabricate artificial colony environments, removed from their planetary extreme periods, to stabilise their society while remaining within the home solar system or at the very least stay outside of the destructive influence of the tidal forces of their three suns?
Secondly, and perhaps it's a cultural thing, I can never get to grips with the solipsism of Ye Wenjie in that she knowingly endangers humanity so selfishly; I understand the writer is making a point about the horrors and lasting psychosis induced by Mao's Cultural Revolution but even then it seems far fetched unless he is writing Ye Wenjie as not really understanding the full scale of the danger she has put her world in - sociopaths rarely see their motives as bad, just lacking in consequential cognition of their actions.
Third, the Three Body Problem seems to be obsessed with ownership and money making as even in extremis the surviving humans retain rights to observable Stars named and effectively bought while on earth (when there was an earth) and there's no common good, just a mercantile mindset and selfishness in the survivors to exclusion of all others. Again, is this a cultural idiom that runs as an undercurrent in modern Post Communist China? Or is the writer merely embracing realism that we will slaughter and swindle our own for advantage even in the nadir of humanity?
Let's hope the second series of the television adaptation stitches these plot holes together?