Deleted Engineer Dialogue FULLY TRANSLATED from the Script of Prometheus
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- Опубліковано 2 кві 2021
- In todays video I’ll be covering the full translation of the engineer dialogue scene that was cut from Prometheus in the editing process.
In the theatrical version the Engineer doesn’t say a word after awakening, however the blu ray edition contains an entire 2 minute conversation between the Engineer, David and Weyland.
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Draft Script LINK: docplayer.net/54299743-Prometh...
On top of that, one of the early scripts has a 5 page dialogue with the awakened Engineer which is fully translated in English and reveals many plot points that explain some of the mysteries of the movie.
So first, I’m gonna go through the blu ray deleted scene, providing a translation of what the Engineer and David said to each other. The linguist that was responsible for the Engineer language actually gave an interview explaining what different lines meant.
Then I’ll cover the the extended dialogue from the early draft script, which was eventually rewritten and the conversation with the Engineer was extensively reduced.
Then David adresses the engineer in the Proto-Indo-European language that he learned on his way to to lv 226.
There’s actually a short scene in the beginning of the movie of him practicing this language while eating and the guy on the screen is the real life linguist Dr. Anil Bilto who developed the engineer language for the movie.
In the deleted scene when the engineer speaks, David translates it to Weyland saying
“he asks you why you’re here” Then Weyland tells David to tell the Engineer the reason Weyland wanted to meet him
According to the linguist what David said can be directly translated as
‘This man is here because he does not want to die. He believes you can give him more life’.
The Engineer responds and David translates is back to Weyland “I told him you wanted to life forever, he asks why “. Then we can see the excitement in Weyland’s eyes as he explains why he deserves to live forever :
“You see this man pointing to David my company build him from nothing. I made him and made him in my own image so he would be perfect so he would never fail. I deserve this because you and I we are superiors we are creators we are gods and gods never die.”
This draft script has a nearly 5 page conversation with the Engineer, which was eventually reduced to a just few lines.
WEYLAND
What did he say, David?
DAVID
He asked to know why you're here
WEYLAND
Tell him, I came for answers. Ask him, why they
created us, what is our purpose and where did
we come from. Ask him, David, Ask him!
DAVID
We want to know why you created life on our
planet. Why did you create us and what was
our purpose?
LAST ENGINEER explains why they created life on Earth
Many worlds have been crafted by the hand of our fathers
through the blood of our lord. Yours was the only one
that was successful. The Star child of the universe.
Yours id the only star child that is like our home world.
WEYLAND
What is he, saying?
DAVID
They made our planet perfect like theirs
Then just like in the movie, the script describes a really important scene involving Shaw which reveals Weyland’s true nature.
Weyland approaches the engineer and gives the exact same speech we hear in the deleted scene, basically saying that he created David, which makes him superior and equal to Engineers, therefore equal to Gods who should live forever.
Then the events unfold in the same way as in the movie, the Engineer looks at David, examines him with curiosity and admiration but then he rips off his head and proceeds to kill the screw.
As the engineer explicitly said in the script he refused giving Weyland eternal life because according to him humanity was unworthy of that. In addition, engineers decided to send the deadly virus 2 thousand years ago because they deemed humanity a violent species which was illustrated in front of engineer’s eyes when Weyland ordered to hit Elizabeth.
Lastly let’s look at another early script in which the scene of the engineer awakening is totally different and I’ll probably make a separate video about that script since it has many elements totally different from the movie.
Later in this script, the Engineer launches the juggernaut to earth however, as he’s taking off, an alien erupts from his chest and though the pilot chair suit, which ultimately kills him.
This alien is called Ultramorph in the script and there exist designs and concept art with this creature which is described as a jockey Xenomorph spawned from an Engineer host
This sequence of events in which an alien erupts from the pilot leading to the ship crash perfectly connects to the original alien of 1979 where the crew finds a fossilized space jockey with a hole in his chest inside of a crashed juggernaut. - Фільми й анімація
So they replaced a scene that would have been the philosophical core of the movie with "scary monster wakes up and attacks spacemen".
@@leviclark3822 Who finds this shit scary anymore ?
@@ray9081 I find it entertainment...the dialogue which was cut would be best served in the novel, but for me having that much dialogue with the same end result just slows the film down man...it's not about just being scary it's about keeping the pace...and all this dialogue towards the end or at the pique of the film really fucks up the rhythm
@@ray9081 I'm sorry, but I watch films for entertainment...not searching for the hidden meanings of life inside of them...I read the story of PROMETHEUS once in high school and when I am on the road...so when the film came out I basically knew what the undertones were going to be...so I just abandoned all logic at that point and took in a damn good movie
@@leviclark3822 actually in fairness, the whole point of Prometheus was to explore a grand mythology surrounding the Alien movies (I'm paraphrasing Ridley Scott).
I enjoyed Prometheus and still do, but it's core story line was a bit of a confused mess.
@@jimbob4484 absolutely, this wasn't supposed to be a scare fest, it's practically a philosophical origins story of both human life and the xenomorphs. I could have watched a 30/40 minute conversation between david and the engineer quite happily. These deleted scenes really open the film up. I wish we were still getting Alien awakening, but Disney have derailed that for their own standalone film and eurgh the premise is ridiculous.
“Let’s make a prequel that explores the origins of the Aliens story.”
“Yeah, awesome!”
*cuts the scene from the movie that’s basically the reason for the movie existing*
That’s the studios fault they cut the movie the way it is also the writers is terrible lindeoff is a crappy story teller and bad at dialogue
They should make a movie on some engineers coming to the planet and finding out about humans have been here.
And they decide to communicate to us to be able to build back a liveable planet where the alien is now.
So the movie ‘The Passion of the Christ’ can be reinterpreted as part of the Alien storyline cannon?
It’s possible the Engineer’s had their own creation myth and the prehistoric events shown in the movie was an “unreliable narration” told from their perspective.
@@HISTORYSQUARE: Those Engineers will realize that the humans had thwarted the mission to destroy Earth, and will decide to finish the job themselves. They'll have to deal with all the different face huggers themselves.
I swear it’s a conspiracy they didn’t include this part of the script. This IS THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF THE STORY. They literally removed the answers to the whole story.
Yeah, I think the reception to the movie would have bee far better as people would have been satisfied at having actual answers to the question "what's going on!?!?!!?!" Taking this out turned the movie into a nothing-burger.
No, it's because Scott wanted to make Raised by Wolves which would have addressed the concept deeper. Unfortunately got cancelled after 2 season
Raised by wolves was so good, I was so bummed when it was canceled.
Milking it, as long as the cow has milk.
The extra stuff just paints them as complete idiots! hey check out all this cool crap we've got but we don't think you're ever going to want it for yourselves and you're just going to be content to scrabble around in the mud struggling 🙄
weyland: what is love?
engineer: baby dont hurt me
heehee
WHOAWOAOAOAAAAA OAAAAOAAAAAOOOO OOOOOOOAHHHHHHAHHHH
You made mh day lmao
😂😂😂😂😂
No more
WHYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY was this edited out?! WHY?! It's the ENTIRE point of the fucking story! It's the pay off of the entire movie! It's the core, the meaning that was totally absent from the final cut. My God! Insane!
the powers that be in hollywood forced him to cut it out because its too close to the real history of humanity
because of religious references im guessing.. they feared a backlash from basically either side of the aisle so they went with something less
@@KrGsMrNKusinagi0 100% this, and in the process of cutting it out, destroyed the meaning of the movie. We need a Snyder Cut!
@@victorhayes5471 Grab your 'Snyder cut: Alien/Prometheus' protest boards! We storm the Snyder's lawn at dawn!
@@alantonix213 LAWN AT DAWN! LAWN AT DAWN! LAWN AT DAWN!
The director destroyed his own movie by cutting out everything that was needed to make it work. Insane!
This is what makes Indie genre and B-rated movies satisfying at times. I'm not a fan of these types of movies or series really and even I got hyped to finally get to watch it. It was incredibly bad + slow moving. When things picked up, the randomness started to project every other scene.
Studios recut the Film. Studio had final cut.
Why
Just why?
Clearly you've never seen a Lindleof work. Dude's trash.
@@youtubeisevil7487 ooh i see
The engineers are the absolute best part of the movie and the original scripts all of it together is great.
This script is confirmed fake, by the actual writers
engineers: we don't like violent creatures
also engineer: creates xenomorphs and predators
A metaphor for how hypocritical leaders are .
I don’t remember them mentioning predators
they didn't create predators
I find it highly unlikely that the Engineers were wholly aligned in their beliefs and motives.
They didn't make Predators
Years later, I realize this movie could’ve been a masterpiece..
So damn true!!!!!!!
I realized that when I first Watch It. Felt like they missed a whole lot of opportunities when they didn't show enough of the scene between the Engineer and David conversation.
Tbh it really didn't need an Alien cameo.
Slot of Ridley Scott movies could have been masterpieces but for some reason his producers always water down the plot to make it super linear. I even liked Fan edit of blade runner with deleted scenes. Hannibal would have been better with the bit where Hannibal helps inspector Pozzi first before killing him. I heard the same thing happened to Black Rain.
I've always rated this movie, though yes, there are some glaring problems with it that prevent it from ever reaching masterpiece status.
@@grizzlygamer8891 which flaws? Please be explicit.
Edit: otherwise you're just full of shjit.
"I'm going to make a movie that explains everything, but then I'll delete the only scene where anything is actually explained. The fans will love this." - Ridley Scott, probably.
@Christian well yes. I always thought that the title "Alien" referred not to the creature but to the idea of something being alien. Bizzarre, beyond understanding. To make sequel after sequel to explain and uncover more facts about the creature kind of missed the point, I think. I love Aliens, I really really do, but I think the franchise should have just kept introducing new creatures separate from the xenomorphs. But I think the marketing deoartment had a graph showing increased profit if you stick a xenomorph in the movie instead.
@user-ic6hk5of5y But this is the whole reason of the movie, to explain the origins of the aliens.
Christian, not everyone likes blue balls. What you described is religion pointless crap that is not entertaining
The studio wanted a graphic horror movie not an actual horror movie about questions of existence...im pretty sure the audience also did not want a movie about philosophy
People will rather be confused than bored
Engineer: humans are horrible
Weyland : we are the same
Engineer: 😡 👊
David: We now have TikTok
Engineer: Rips head off David
Weyland: and Twitter as well
@@abelingaw5070 *Proceeds to exterminate humanity*
Shaw decides against mentioning youtube
@@abelingaw5070 *Proceeds to terminates the mankind*
The deleted dialogue is better than the whole Prometheus film.
I must agree. The movie is an amazing sci-fi thriller but the entire f---ing point of the film is to answer the questions of the meaning of life on earth WHICH ARE DELETED. Wonderful mythology and symbolism without which it's all a big client monster violently killing the crew. Edits have to be made for time and story arc in movies but this cut was criminal. The movie is unsatisfying without it. Thanks to Kroft for sharing it.
Completely agree. the whole premise at the beginning of the film is leading to the origin story. Without this scene in full the movie makes little if any sense. It’s mostly boiled down to bottom line violence and horror. I was disappointed with the film for not delivering or even maintaining the story. Cinematically it is great but without the story it’s just visual masterbation. Film should be a medium for the story. The editor did a disservice to the franchise with this decision.
Can't agree with you enough. The movie itself due to Scott believing he could tell a story just with images was beyond pointless. It made every event that happened largely a huh moment. Like it or not you CAN NOT tell a story simply with images. That's called a Rorschach test and it really comes down to what a persons imagination comes up with. Dialogue though to the current generation is pure poison is the only real way to tell complex stories. (Shy of old fashioned text) Net result what mite have been something worth adding to Scott's original works ended up just feeling like an old man trying to ride on his name. Saddest part is instead of learning his lesson, he made another one.
@@edlux2190 genndy tartakovski called, he's pointing to samurai Jack and primal.
You can tell stories visually, but you have to be good at it.
Also, Ridley Scott has gone where most sci-fi riders have gone before: "God is aliens, your religion is a hollow lie."
@@hariman7727 A Rorschach test may well give folks the feeling that they see something. Sadly at the end of the day it's what they see. It is not empirical data. So no you simply cannot. You can create a subjective work. But people will take away from it what they will. Which may well have nothing to do what you intended.
Scott to me sadly after this feels like one of those old prize fighters that try to make a comeback. But instead just make themselves look like a bad joke. He now gets to be remember as the guy that took a dump on his own work. Lucas famously came off looking the same way after his prequel series. Let's hope this franchise doesn't have happen to it what happened to Lucas one time legacy after that.
The Director didn’t kill the scene. The studio did.
Studios normally do destroy the true potential of movies!
@@wraithofkah5487 They did choose wrong actors/actresses in the casting and then bothed the script (kiddified) and then the cgi
@@jari2018 Right! They truly had the potential to reinvigorate the franchise but instead they gave us this then followed it with Alien Convenant. Such let downs. But cest la vie. Here's hoping the next Alien movie is good lol
Something tells me the studio wasn't comfortable letting the audience know too much truths. Yeah I said it
@@M4PAT well that’s Cus you’re silly. The idea is absolutely nothing new and shows like ancient aliens have talked about it and other ideas for years 😂
Really cool Anunnaki reference. Wish this would have been the main plot. But I’m not surprised that this was cut.
I know, right? I really wish we would have gotten the more complete dialogue even though it would have taken a lot of life out of the engineer/ anunnaki
I agree
Well said
My gripe with the Alien franchise is that they have so many awesome ideas that just get thrown by the wayside for cheap thrills and action movies.
Exploring the engineer's backstory and their philosophy is loads more interesting than any of the action sequences in the movie. Alien excels at creating eerie, distant, mysterious settings/stories. Much like this scene being cut, Alien: Covenant had so much potential to explore the engineer's world and their creation of humanity, but instead it turned into another shoot 'em up like Aliens. It's such a monumental shame.
Sadly, this is the reason Alien Covenant didn’t do as well. People didn’t care about the brighter elements, they just want cheap thrills.
Yes this why i prefer prometheus over covenant sure xemorphs are cool but we've seen those numerous times already the idea behinf the engineers and being the creators allow us to go deeper into lore which to me is way more exciting then just another rogue team stuck on a planet battling aliens AGAIN
Left the Covenant movie in dead silence. 400 people just walked out of the building like zombies …
I guess a studio exec said "hey, can you cut five minutes from this movie so it doesn't make any sense anymore?"
My thoughts exactly. Studio execs get payed a butt load of money but they have no idea about how to make movies. Not the first and won't be the last. They really piss me off. I want to make movies and I will be financing it myself without the meddling of these dumb studio execs who I imagine only got the job through nepotism. Always has been like this in the studios. If you don't agree with them they blacklist you. You don't need these idiots to make a movie. If you're product is good enough the people will watch. If your movie sucks, it sucks!
Not a problem, barely an inconvenience.
Likely due to conflicting religious beliefs…
The fact that this could've been such a masterpiece always makes me sad.
I know right.. crazy
I think it still is. I think if it wasn't limited by industry 'standards' and their limitations I would have been stronger. Sometimes it is up to the spectator to answer questions left unanswered....sometimes, they are intentionally left unanswered. Also, there was probably a producer or some non-artist dollar signs for eyes type that thought it would hurt sales to make it "preachy"
Makes me feel sad also as the deleted scenes, the deleted dialogue would have given the move more constructive content & deeper meaning. The trio who sacrificed themselves to stop the ship from leaving & destroying earth, gives their sacrifice greater meaning.
@@elizabethmunoz6479 yeah I liked the questions the movie made me ask after
And the sequel prequel covenant was piss poor compared to what i expected
This is Straight from the Sumerian tablets. Humans worshipped The Annunaki because of their "God like tech" abilities
They shredded the movie's core apart by excluding this! Thank you so much!
I thought the dumbest part of the movie was he woke up and supposedly an intelligent species just randomly began to nonsensically attacking them.
I've seen this movie so many times with different people and they always get to that part and say "Why tf did he do that?" Now I can say "Because studio executives are morons." 🤦🏾♂️
I understood right away though that he was disgusted by humanity.
@@johnnyskinwalker4095 I thought the same and he was triggered that they hurted Shaw and realizing David is an engineered creation of humankind. That l
@@IchabodCraner That's a great interpretation as well.
Yes, I agree, that scene seemed unsatisfying that he just attacks them seemingly with any sense, just for violence.
The Engineers deserve their own movie.
That would be assume
I dont think they'll do it tho.
Meet the engineer
that might be too revealing. If we see too much of them, it might destroy the greatness and mystery of the engineers.
@@SlothMan2 That would be the name of the reality show !
Wow.. this answered so many questions I had about this movie. Now I want to go rewatch it. Thank you for this video.
Thank you for that explanation. It helps fill in the gaps.
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That’s the one thing the entire alien franchise is missing. The engineers backstory.
Boba Fett used to be cool. Then they gave him backstory. And lines of dialogue, and eventully accidentally turned him face nd utterly gutted everything cool about him. The ide in your head is probably far more rewarding, and if you dont hve your own idea yet, I promise you, its gunn be so mich more fun theorising and finding minor details to form your own idea than anything that will ever be put to film.
What are you talking about? Alien franchise is nicely wrapped trilogy.
@@tickledeggz Boba Fett isn't cool bc Disney fucked him up. There could've been a shit ton of cool ideas for the show but they went the lazy route. Clone Wars and the prequels added more depth to Boba without ruining his character so it was totally possible to do. Sometimes, yes, keeping things a mystery is better but I'm not sure Boba is the best example of something that needed to remain mysterious and unexplained
It is what humanity is basically 'missing'. Its backstory, the meaning of life. This is unanswerable - so tried the movie, to show the senselessness of the search. It failed here in a sense of entertainment, not in a philosophical way. This script is interesting, but too narrowed down on Christian mythology, so I am quite glad it did not make it into the movie. It would have ended up of being equally unsatisfying as the movie there is.
they do, "Fantastic Planet" a 1973 animated movie (I'd recommend a sober watch of the movie too 😅)
Deleting this part of the movie is like David ommiting parts of the Engineer's speech. It's almost malicious and down right cruel.
But the fact that they left it out and years later we are still talking about it and learning more, really makes it great in a different way.
@@BeverlyHighland I think it's great for those seeking more. For individuals who aren't as invested into the aliens lore it's a miss to get more fans IMO.
Almost? No, it is
@@BeverlyHighland yea no. Taking that stuff out ruined the movie. It's literally key to tying the storylines together
@@neowolf09 and yet here you are talking about it
I LOVED THIS WHOLE VIDEO. Thanks Kroft.
This is amazing!!! Love this version of early scripts.
They really, really, messed this movie up. All this cut stuff sounds wonderful.
Another snydercut
@@terrybatman Imagine Ridley Scott releasing a better version of his own messed up movie after so many years with reshoots. That would be funny as hell 😅
@@jothishprabu8 the problem was this movie was badly promoted. I didn't understand that this movie was in the same universe as aliens and predator till the end when the proto alien emerges from the engineer.
We created you but you turned to be evil so we decided to kill you but not by releasing simple cold virus but by most elaborate biological and evil weapon in the galaxy - What part of this utter gibberish sounds wonderful? :D
I think exactly the same, when I went to see Prometheus at the cinema at the time, I was expecting a story like the one mentioned in this video. A shame. Greetings from Argentina.
“Too much talking, need more action, aliens, and people not running left or right from a ship. People like that stuff!” -Some executive
It's easy to say left and right when you had a bird's eye view perspective. Just imagine being down there when everything is exploding around you.
@@evgenigradinar2731: That giant spacecraft hit the ground, and started to roll. Weyland's daughter turned back to see it roll toward her, so she easily could've turned away from the path of that roll. Squished like a bug.
People like this do not deserve to be involved in companies like Fox who don't even care about movies with good stories at all so screw them 🤬
@@evgenigradinar2731 no one in that movie made intelligent decisions..and these were supposed to be scientists. Too many concessions in logic for the sake of convenience.
In movies people have been running down the road to escape a car for just about forever. Even as a child I couldn't believe such a stupid thing was in a movie.
Loved the video. Thank you.
absolutely phenomenal narrative video...many thanks 👍🙏
Some writer or director needs to do this story justice at some point. I don’t care if it’s 20 years from now. We were robbed of an incredible story.
Denis Villeneuve
I’ll be 40 😭
No, this backstory sucks. It's a silly idea that aliens, who know everything about the evolution and behaviour of life, would get offended when we act in exactly the way that every animal acts. Life inherently wants to keep living and wants to defend and assert itself. To be mad at that would be to be mad at rain for being wet. Also, if they wanted to teach us to follow their stupid death cult religion, then they are lousy teachers - beneath everything even modern humans know about sociology and psychology.
This movie's premise is ridiculous when you think about it.
Its happening isnt it. the trailer just dropped
Yes. These are the kinds of movies that should be remade. Ones that could have been great but didn't deliver, or had a good premise and were just poorly executed. Not the timeless classics they always remake and ruin.
This actually makes more more frustrated that they had a much more interesting story available but they decided to scrap it for something significantly crappier.
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It's the studios executives. They actually get the final say, not the director. It's sad.
@@fupopanda yeah, that’s frustrating. Clearly the studios do not know their audience
@@dc345601 no. It's not about the audience. It's that this version has heavy implications regarding religion. To maximize profits they don't want to antagonize large groups of ppl, including religious groups. This version of the script implied aliens trained Jesus, not that he was the son of God. They weren't touching that.
I actually enjoyed it. Rewatched it twice
This right here is why I hated Prometheus. This deleted transcript. Had they left it in the movie, we could all have understood that the Engineers that created life had decided humanity wasn't worthy of the gift. Instead they cut it all out and gave no relevance to it. They left it to us to decide why the engineers wanted to destroy humanity. I guess it don't matter much. It makes no real difference to the Alien franchise. But why write a movie about the Engineers and give no real backstory?
Thanks so much for these insights...makes you understand the struggle filmmakers wrestle with in what to keep and discard script wise. The look of the film is amazing and now knowing a little bit more of the intended interaction and deception by David makes more sense when watching Covenant and what happened there.
This scene would’ve made so many things in Prometheus, and indeed Ridley Scott’s entire Alien universe, so much clearer. Why did they cut it? Thank you for this video! It was fascinating.
@William Bower I think that's about it. The studio wants maximum wiggle room to give themselves options for future movies with regards to scrips/plot. If they show something, confirm something, it becomes canon, and they're basically locked in to it. Better to keep it open and the audience guessing, looking for more is their view.
@@Hal09i true… but then franchises regularly undo their own canon. Just look at Star Wars or Terminator films. All over the shop.
It was a false Gospel. Too obvious! In this way, the seed of deception was planted, and now it is growing.
The only obvious reason: To keep the Aliens anthology going (aka more future movies). We got Alien: Covenent after that and Shaw traveling the universe for the answer that was given in the script but not in the movie itself.
In addition to creating more wiggle room for sequels, I have to think that the average studio exec preparing to launch a big budget blockbuster in the United States would be a wee bit hesitant to have the movie implicitly state that the Christian God was just a bunch of aliens.
Just can't believe Ridley Scott wouldn't include this in the movie. It literally explains everything.
@TheMaidofMiddleEarth 100%
Well.. a real reason might be islam. I'm serious. In the West we forget that Jesus is a high profit in the Quran. Just like Mohamed. They would literally take something like this as seriously as a blasphemy against Mohamed. Movies are changed a lot because of this. But I'm not kidding when o say it couldn't be shown to Muslim audiences . But it could literally call for jihad against Scott by a billion Muslims world wide. Dead serious. Movies have been changed before because of it. And that's a huge audience. Hundreds of millions of dollars lost potentially. They love Jesus with the same fanaticism that they love Mo.
@@joshythehand2960 yeah all religions are nuts.
I agree that these answers should’ve been in the film but it’s incredibly lazy writing to have 1 scene with a character explaining every question the film asks. Good films have these answers discovered by the characters along the way. This is just poor exposition
@@Francescojg I would say that usually this is the case but in some stories there is no payoff until the end. This is how the story was structured. I think it's a shame they backed out of it
No one ive ever asked ever thought this was a great movie, but it always stuck in my mind. And this video answers a lot of questions
😅, I've never met anyone who has seen this movie. Obviously, it has a huge fan base. I have loved it since the first time I have seen it. It's good to know you guys are out there 👍
I like to think the reason he reacted so violently is because David’s translation actually went more like this: “He wants more life, fucker.”
HAHHAHAHAHHAHA, hahaha yeah i agree XD XD
😂😂😂😂
Lol!
I agree with that selfish conceited human
no..he understand better than any human...he is right..the engineer has told everything to him..humans need to be extinct by a viral spread...its their punishment for crucify their son
They really should do a “Snyder Cut” for this movie.
Scott cut*
@@aniruddhagowda8072 *Scutt Cut
Dude 😂👌✌️
Fuck yea
Ridley Scott has had this issue before. Gladiator didn't suffer in the theater, but the theatrical cut of Kingdom of Heaven left out some crucial details.
Dude this is fascinating. Well done.
One of the biggest gripes I had with Prometheus was the Engineer didn't die in his chair with a burst stomach, connecting it to the original. Turns out the scene I wanted was deleted...
I think they wanted us to know that was a different ship than the one in Alien
I remember watching this movie and thinking “this is the part where we’ll get answers…” and all we got was big dude tears head off the robot for no reason. Thanks for this video. Not only does it makes sense, but it also gave it meaning. A detail that would have prompted discussion. What a missed opportunity.
I kinda got the gist of it in the movie, but can't believe they removed all of that on the bluray
The biggest insult was Alien Covenant which was supposed to answer Shawn's question at the end of Prometheus. It didn't.
What terrible writing. I can't believe the engineers would act like such petulant little babies.
That scene. Dude. I like Prometheus but I would have loved it instead.
The engineer explained himself by ripping the head off the AI robot which deceived the crew and was obviously an enemy to mankind... It was sign language. A sign.🤔
None of this should have been cut. The storyline of the Engineers was so damn incredible and with all the extra scripts and dialogue ..could've made it the best sci-fi film imho. Damn we need "Paradise" or a miniseries of just the Engineers story. So interesting and almost feels like it could be real. Tighten up Ridley..PLEASE! Dont let us down
They probably wanted to keep it for a reveal in the true prometheus sequel, then it went off the rails and turned into covenant
@Attila Csakberenyi Totally agree, it was such a dire film that I doubt anything could be done to save it. I saw it at the cinema with a couple of friends so unfortunately couldn't walk out from the boring, badly directed piece of junk.
Sorry but the whole Jesus trope is completely overdone, lazy and predictable. It wouldn't have made this crap movie any better.
@@H0n3yMonstah I found the film tiresome and unconvincing.
@Attila Csakberenyi I feel like fans of prometheus don't overlap with alien fans much. Totally different interests. I'm big into this rash of high concept sci-fi and religious fiction stuff. Westworld, and scotts raised by wolves. I actually don't care about an alien threat beyond its use by a more interesting, technologically advanced, creator deity race. That shit sounds dope. Maybe the alien queen could've been more sentient or something. But the fictional genesis type stuff just attracts a different crowd.
Thank you for all your videos on these alien movies 🙏 they are so interesting and helpful to the story. I always thought it was a good movie but though it could have easily been a masterpiece especially if they would have done covenant the right way. Your videos made me appreciate the movies a bit more but also wonder why so much was taken from the story. I’m glad I stumbled on your page. Once again thank you 🙏 keep it up!
Thank you for this. absolutely necessary to explain 👍🏻
Man I enjoyed all of these missing scenes more than the movie itself.
Don't dismiss the scenes with Weyland's hot daughter.
Same
Because deep inside you believe in alien gods who created us.
I feel that they removed all the good stuff from the theatrical cut, unfortunately....
It would have tied it together. And explain the defenses of his ship. Why are these monsters here?!
FBI holding a gun to the directors head-
"You're saying too much bro"
😂😂😂
It would definitely be the CIA holding the gun. Not the FBI.
This comment is EVERYTHING
Or MIB
It's unlikely, I mean, this is just an expensive movie about Ancient Aliens, and Tsoukalos has been allowed to speak "too much" for very long time
It always deeply saddens me how good this movie could have been. This is one of the few movies where I'd want to see a do-over.
100% agree. Watching this video nearly ruined my night just due to the gravity of this missed opportunity. I just watched Prometheus last night and was disappointed all over again... then seeing this video. Ooof
Thanks so much for this video. I’ve been a huge predator and alien fan since a child, I love the idea of how they connect to each other and I don’t understand the engineers enough so this was pleasant to say the least.
In that scene, the humans actually convinced the Engineer, if he wasn’t already convinced, to continue on to earth and wipe it clean. He meets humans after 2000 years of sleep and at least listens to what they have go to say. They talk about wanting more life even though they have wasted what they were given. They talk about being equal to the engineers and arrogantly show off David, a robot with no soul, as proof of our new equality……that we are creators too! Then they squabble among each other and batter Shaw in front of him. In disgust, the Engineer rips the head off our hollow, soulless “creation” and kills the arrogant Weyland with it. Quite a comment on what he thinks about us and our creations. The Engineer, after witnessing the human circus in front of him, can’t get his ship and deadly cargo into space fast enough.
I just can’t believe this scene was a deleted……….it makes the entire movie. Without it, we just think the Engineers are mindless killing machines.
Also, the earlier script makes much more sense.
You summarised whole story of Aliens in this small writeup. Im just amazed how this beautiful creative work was totally destroyed by the studios n it's marketing managers.
Prometheus is perhaps one of the most epic stories ever told on big screen, it has the potential to fully explain reality of human nature n yet it all was destroyed by creative interference of studios. It needs a director's cut n it's own sequel n prequel to fully appreciate it.
9:11 It's just a story that hints at the basis for Christianity (and the other Abrahamic religions). That's why they left it out: it was both lazy and obvious.
No, WE don’t think anything. Sorry you’re incapable of extrapolating from context.
@@TheSCPStudio huh?
This scene reinforces the idea that the Engineers are indeed mindless killing machines.
Making up his mind based off "one human's thoughts and behaviour" would be absolute mindlessness. :D
And then his own speech about humans being violent meant nothing if we just killed the humans in front of him, and was about to wipe out all on earth.
Hence if this whole dialogue was kept, it would remove any mystery in the viewer's minds.
And as someone else commented, it's just lazy writing hinting to Christianity.
Why the hell does Ridley Scott always cut out the MOST IMPORTANT parts of the movies? Holy hell, almost 11 years worth of questions, answered in 15 mins.
This.
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He didn't want to, he was forced by the studios because apparently people didn't want this philosophical story or engineers. They just wanted aliens killing people and actions apparently.
Yeah, did the same with the Kingdom of Heaven.. luckily there was the directors cut. This is a ridiculous though, as others have said. It is the literal point of the story.
Wow thanks for that. Much appreciated
Yes I love this post..also loved the film which I've seen a few times but needed this explained
5:15 is where the translation is coherently explained without constant side tracking.
It's taking so long to get to the point!
And this guys vocal cadence is so frustrating. It just pitches and goes up so often.
Thanks!
@@PioneerOPioneer not a native English speaker it seems. Also, padding the video run time.
@@chaucer140 Very annoying.
Damon Lindelof: We’re gonna say Jesus was educated by aliens.
Fox: No you’re not.
CBC: well prehaps
BBC: a BS
CNN: a true strory
Sceen-cut, then tom cruise bursts through the atmosphere with Scientology clan. "We've got a problem."
Good. Jews need to learn that they are not connected to any creation folklore other than their own.
If you think Jesus had anything to do with alien knowledge you need help. Jesus literally claimed to be God, the creator of all. And He is.
@@AR15andGOD Jesus never claimed to be god, but the son of God.
Thank you for this video
Wow. Now it makes so much more sense! Thank you.
I am astounded that they threw all of that away and just made it to where the engineer pulls David’s head of on a whim. This would have made the ending much more satisfying.
I agree...😉👍💯
The whole movie was leading up to this scene and they just made the movie confusing with the edits.
The movie literally falls off the rails at this point in the movie. Its almost a comical scene, when it should be serious.
@@dezznutz3743 you're literally just left going "huh?" Engineer just starts attacking them and no explanation is given
yeah i didn't get the first engineer scene.
I actually thought it was perfect, why would he give time to explain to us humans who are nothing but a failed experiment. We are supposed to be extinct. Also they can't resolve all mistery in the first movie
They should have just tossed in a laugh track and it would have been the biggest movie that year
This isn't the only thing they cut. It's like they cut out all the scenes that were the glue holding the plot together.
Thank U For THIS!!! Wow ❤🙏🏽
Why did they cut this stuff out? I mean if they only explained all of this it would be a better movie? That jesus part was so excellent and genius!
That made no sense honestly.
So think it was best cutting it.If you follow that plot line the points of that religion would be more convoluted.
The lack of explanation at this part of the movie was pathetic. Any additional dialog would have improved this movie greatly. The idea of speaking taking so much of his life force sounds far fetched without some reason why.
The Jesus part makes no sense if you're not a white westerner. To the rest of the world this would look at least bizarre
@@HaohmaruHL Cringe. White westerners aren't the only Christians, dummy.
The studio wanted to make more films and didn’t want it to be that simple, probably. That’s why it’s so complicated to leave space for sequels.
"Why is your presence disturbing my atmosphere?! "- engineer
Obviously he wants to know who farted
@@user-ue6yc9kr8i my God.....
Yea I’m using that one. Soon. 😺🙏🏼
Yeah, maybe they shouldn't have removed their helmets? When the guy narrating this video says the engineers can live long but speaking drains them, I think it's actually human respiration that is affecting the atmosphere in that chamber which is why the engineer isn't recovering from his hypersleep quickly.
Old man-“What did he say?”
David-“Would you fancy a spot of tea over by my all organic eggs”
16 min of content that would have explained the entire movie and made it incredibly awesome instead of "what the hell just happened?". Thank you for that explanation.
Really good, cleared a lot up for me.
If they'd let this treasure be in the movie, it would have gone from being a mockery to an incredible movie.
Truth
prometheus's snyder cut
Exactly
It is an incredible movie. I like that I am still discovering new things about it years later.
Even without those scenes I still think it is a brilliant film👍🏻
I always thought its because the engineer took David's creation as an insult or even a challenge.
That's interesting also, your interpretation, the engineer was insulted by David's creation, an imitation of real life being.
Me to
Exactly what I thought. Because he thinks in creating David, he is a God, but ignores the gift engineers gave us of procreation. Saying he made David in his own image makes him a God while ignoring his daughter who was literally made in his image.
The ability to make life, the one thing that makes us "God-like".
And that's why the movie always shows Weyland basically being a dick, and ignoring his own daughter for David.
I thought that too.
I saw it similarly, Engineer sees David as a mockery of true organic life, a fraud... and the guy who made the fraud thinks he is a God = angerX2
Honestly this is so interesting and it gives the answers we all wanted… that Shaw asked really great stuff such a bummer it got cut.
Thank you, Kroft. Thank you very much. Now the film actually makes sense to me~
The Engineers, their society and all the mystery surrounding them is what made me fall in love with the franchise. It is sad that they wasted alot of potential with them
They looked like peasants with their crude yarn clothes
There should be a movie just for them.
Franchise?
@@PinballMosher Sure, but keep Ridley FAR away from it.
"Franchise". Like McDonalds or Burger King. That's exactly what it is.
It's been said literally thousands of times at this point, but without the scene of the Engineer and David talking to each other, this movie was just another "big space" cash grab movie. I've always loved it, and I won't deny that, but with the scene between David and the Engineer, it makes so much more sense, it's such a deeper, more meaningful movie, and I'm heartbroken that the entire conversation went to the wayside for the theatrical release. Wow. This could have been great.
Stupid isn't it. Why do this?
What a stupid analysis. The movie has waaaay more problems that just that. Whut a stoopid moovy.
It seems like the "powers that be" were worried about the fact that the Engineers created Jesus. I mean, the religious nuts already have a problem with science fiction, however, when you mess with the Bible's writings, most especially Jesus, you're going to get cancelled.
@@backalleycqc4790 Anyone can take the piss out of Christianity. It's the Muslim religion everyone goes nuts after!
Well remember, the best line from Bladerunner was an adlib “All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.” Though, sometimes the exposition dialogue feels a bit forced…I understood all of what was said without it being said. I thought the clunky part of the movie was how much better some actors/actresses were so some of the scenes felt like sketches duct taped together. Naomi Rapace should have been given the movie from the beginning…
I love the in depth explanation.
Thank s for clearing this up
As an interpreter I have a hard time believing that David’s mistranslation is just a mistake. David is perfect in everything that he does (in a scary way, might I add). After years of him speaking many languages it is not likely that David ignores the basic rules of interpretation protocol, starting with: do not omit or add anything to the original message, just pass it on as accurately as you’re able to. I believe that David actually has a malicious intent behind these deliberate omissions.
I agree especially after watching alien covenant. Although I wouldn't say malicious because it assumes he knows the difference between good and evil 🤔... Maybe malicious from our perspective lol
@@rainwave5 lol David is definitely evil bro
@@Oscar44443 lol I don't blame you for thinking that. But how can a robot be evil? For example when a lion kills a gazelle in Africa does it become evil?
@@Oscar44443 evil doesn’t exist and can’t be found
@@rainwave5 if he is a conscious robot a sentient being then he can certainly be evil.
Prometheus is like telling half of a joke.
It can be the best joke ever concieved, it still won't make you laugh without the punch line.
The punchline being that Jesus was an alien apprentice and that a species who are morally outraged by violence will also rip heads off and engineer monsters who burst out of stomachs to murder everything that moves?
I don't think this is a fair analogy, this movie IS a joke (not LIKE one). The whole movie and its sequel are a laughingstock. There's only Alien and Aliens, all this other nonsense is a cash grab.
clearly you've never heard a half joke
As someone who saw the movie once and thought it was boring and confusing. This scene alone would have changed my entire perspective on the movie. Why?? Why would they cut it out??
That's why they created Alien Covenant, which is like telling joke that is funny only because it's dumb.
@@funkyfiss Because it's actually silly if you break it down. What the Engineer implies with the cut dialogue is that they (the Engineers) expected humanity to be like them, but didn't actually do much to ensure that we did, and when they wanted to teach us how to be like them they decide to tell only ONE guy (Jesus reference), and actually expected for the whole of humanity to just believe this one guy? lol, perhaps David should've asked if the Engineers where all stupid, or at the very least shortsighted and delusional. It's like expecting a child to teach itself to speak, and when it fails you decide to "terminate" it. Uhhh didn't you knuckleheads create us in YOUR image?
Totally should have included it in the movie 👍 Thx for sharing this
Very cool love the translations the should off made an extended version with all the translations or maybe subtitles but then that would draw you away from the stunning visuals in this movie . Love the way you translated everything liked and Subscribed👍
Kroft, thank you for this research. As funny as it might sound. I found this very profound and I come back to this video and listen because it’s so beautifully inspiring and interesting
It's crazy how good Lindelof's draft script is. Makes me sad for what we got instead in the final cut.
The idea that such a powerful being as the engineer gets exhausted just speaking is dumb. It ain't that deep.
@@TalynStormcrow you are dumb. It's fiction. It's not that deep.
I bet it went:
- so, we have to cut something or it gonna be too long
- hey, what about the scene where they fight for like 10 mins with the alien on the wing of the spaceship?
- nah, just cut the dialogue, nobody will get it anyways
@@duggins101 you're dumb. It being fiction does not mean it has to be shallow and mediocre. And yes, them losing lifespan from talking is absolutely dumb
@@shockwave.9749 for real, at least give a compelling reason for why they can’t speak much. A poorly thought out idea doesn’t make the aliens seem “mysterious” or “otherworldly”, it’s just a poorly thought out idea lmao.
Kroft has awoken from his cryosleep
Gud one
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today we shall learn of things no human was meant to know.
@@generalnawaki 😂
+1
I love this movie…I never understood most of it …now because of your video I seem to GET IT..I don’t know why it was deleted from the movie as I feel it explains it all….thank you
This is the deepest deep cut from Alien that I have ever seen!! My jaw was on the floor the whole time. ❤
It’s profound to try and imagine what the engineer is thinking in this moment. He wakes up and doesn’t expect this and he has to interpret our entire existence based on this one exchange.
Not easy by any means
Most people who would wake up to something like this would lose their shit.
Sounds like a normal morning being woken by your kids.
@@somefuckstolemynick lol
This is another great observation like so many under this comment section I definitely agree
Imagine a cow woke you up and said that she was your equal and she was going to build an addition to your house and rent it out to strangers.
I think showing a talking cow would be a much more profitable enterprise.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe4 actually more like if your phone did that. remember the engineers created humans.
humans neither created cows nor apes
Wow...now that I think about it, I had a few cows that did the same! Weird...man! Hey, roll another blunt, please. This is getting freaky!
Oh that's cute, wonder how you came up with that theory? 🍷😆
That's the most inappropriate way I can imagine to discribe the situation that also happens to be 100 % on point.
Great video Ty
That's what I needed to connect the dots. I remember the first time I watched it I thought "Why on earth would he beat everybody to a pulp without uttering a word?" 😂
"So, what was up with Dinosaurs? Why does everything evolve into crabs? Were crabs supposed to find you?"
David:
He says dinos got unlucky and crabs are like swiss army knives.
HL2
1. Not everything evolves in crabs.
2. Crabs also evolve in something else so it is not like "crab is the final forme of evolution" it just a thing that appears often.
David:”This man is here because he wants to live forever”
Engineer: “Brah…for what? To eat apple sauce and play Bingo?! “
Engineer gets triggered by stupidity and tears Davids head off and slams Mr. Burns with it and proceeds to destroying earth with a clear motive now.
😂
We all probably deserve to perish for what we have done to this planet and to each other.
@@duanecarr6712 no we don't.
@@duanecarr6712 so why dont you do your part instead of being in a world you hate and do us all a favour, stop trying to sound deep and philosophical you numpty
Theres a saying about something about the sins of the father.
Thanks for that
Fantastic! Thank you
Whoever decided to cut this scene and remove this dialogue sequence must have been an idiot of extraordinary proportions.
Why?
Because he took away the answer that all the fans of Alien were desperately hoping and waiting for.
You speak for yourself. This is not an Alien movie..
The religious aspect would have pushed away people from the movie. So they cut it for profits
This scene would offend christians and jews. Prometheus was heavily linked to Jesus and removing all references to stay politically correct killed the movie.
@@gijane2cantwaittoseeyou203 I'm one of those, and it doesn't offend me. If someone wants to be offended, what they left in is more offensive than what they left out. And we like talking about this stuff.
@José David Cortes Garay no, it's not. It's fine you you wanna go along with that tho..
The most unbelievable idea in this movie is how Shaw was able to basically run several marathons, 30 seconds after giving herself a flipping C-Section.
Lots of people point that out
Future staple guns and duct tape works wonders
It's such a far cry from Ellen Ripley.
What I liked most about her is that she was simply trying to do her job, not walk around with an agenda.
She just wanted to protect those she cared about, and she was a terrific foil for the audience who could see what she saw.
Shaw, much like the rest of the characters, doesn't seem to act like a scientist, and least of all a rational human being.
It's a sign of lazy writing and studio exec meddling that creates these throw-away characters.
They seem to exist merely at the behest of a movie which, might've made sense at some point,
but ultimately got hacked and sliced into an inconsistent mess. A mess created by a committee of shareholders who dictated whatever they wanted, regardless of it making any sense.
Well she was struggling the whole time. Its not like they ignored it.
For sure. I’ve had 3 c-sections and could barely walk or stand up straight after each one. 🙄
Just watched it now omg the standard bluray running on series x and 4k tv looks staggering. Amazing quality and amazing film
This script has been debunked as fan-made, even by Lindelof. It’s dishonest to present it as being an actual early version.
Do you have a source that confirms this? I am deeply intrigued and want to do more research to understand
The original script and conversation between the engineer and David made this a coherent movie. It’s a shame that it was cut. Probably too Jesus for Hollywood.
I feel like it’s the opposote, a lot of movies love to take stories of Jesus and other religious figures and make it a part of their story. Maybe not as blatant as this thoigh. I thibk some of this would be interesting, but the Jesus angle doesn’t make sense. Why would they even expect anyone to listen to him, especially since they picked a group of people who didn’t have a lot of influence in the world
If by 'too jesus' you mean it might have offended jesus-freaks, then yeah that's probably it. They were probably worried some of the american "christian" fanatics would have a cry/mass shooting, and that might hurt sales/reputation. A shame really as this seemed like it was pretty integral to the movie and its themes.
@@Lord_of_Dread Have you seen Midnight Mass on Netflix? It kind of parodies the catholic faith. You should watch it I don’t want to spoil it.
Jesus really? Why did they have to link this to the Christian faith. Honestly I prefer it left unknown. Just mixing religion and science doesn’t make sense.
@@angelgjr1999 I haven't but I'll look into it. Thanks for the recommendation!
Dude, I was looking forward for this part in the movie. I literally expected something of this level in the movie, and when it ended, it didn't make any sense. I knew something was up. I can usually decipher the story through how the writer thinks and how he wrote the script which revealed to me that something of this magnitude was coming but it never did. I 100% think that leaving this piece is the movie would have made the movie perfect and probably one of the best movies of all time. Now, its simply a movie people forgot about. I almost didn't even wanted to watch this video and would have never known the real masterpiece that it should have been. Glad I clicked play.
Everybody is a director on UA-cam
@@electrictouch1188 You could've given a useful insight into his statement, instead you chose to be a toxic fuck. Why?
@@minimushrom because thats his opinion. Its the internet bro. Why is his response any less valid? Why should people only respond positively? Why are you intolerant of pessimistic people? Let him answer his and you answer yours. Could of answered with something more philosophical but instead you chose to be a pretentious internet sjw but ended up looking like a clown instead.
You took the words out of my mouth. Right on.
@@thebaziks323 It's called common decency and not being a degenerate.
More great background on this awesome franchise
The engineers are absolutely fascinating. It's a great shame that nobody has made more movies about them.
Sadly, I went into Prometheus and Covenant believing we'd get the explanation of the xenomorph through the Engineers story. Instead I still don't understand how they traveled the universe and created life, when they lived in huts.
it's because of Disney
They wanted to but people didnt like the movies so as of now, its in limbo.
@@gonzotolkien they didnt just live in huts though. Who built the structure they're spending time in, in Covenant for example? Oh, and they also had space ships and the ability of interstellar travel obviously. Now, I'm not saying the engineer story we get in the movies are great, but I dont think you have a point either.
@@Driblus Both of those structures you just named are abandoned and old places, not the tech the Engineers were currently using. They appeared to have declined as a civilization and no longer going around in spaceships. Otherwise, they wouldn't have just stood there yelling and been killed off if spaceships were still their norm. And there would've been more than one city. You bomb a human city, other humans would show up.