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Got one insight explained incorrect, the Sophons can’t see everything all the time on earth, we get to “see” through one of the Sophon in a later scene and it is possible to hide from the Sophons if humanity is globally coordinating.
Imagine you're a civilisation that cannot comprehend lying, as your minds are transparent and you do not even know the baby step of concealing info, let alone lie. And then your follower explains you the concept, in the most dubious way by a story which is a lie made up by humans to tell you do not trust liars. Thats the human equivalent of your friend/follower saying "I can read minds, everyone you met or seen till now can as well" I would abandon them on the spot man, especially if you're a whole new different species.
@@timthyfriend you're not really taking your thought experiment far enough... even if your thoughts are transparent because of obligatory telepathy, there should still be ways to avoid thinking of stuff and to "encrypt" stuff. the key here is interpretation: mindreading does not necessarily mean equivalent interpretation. my theory is that it is quite impossible for the santi to be unaware of "lying" as a concept (especially after having scanned our wikipedia duh) so this was a likely a ploy by them to get rid of evans and his ETO crew. it also makes a philosophical _casus belli_ so the santi can justify their imminent invasion; but it itself is a lie.
dudes gotta get clicks on the internets somehow. what better way than to describe an ending that never actually happened and waste 20 mins of your time while getting they get paid for it?
I actually enjoyed the show more than i was expecting. Doesn’t even come close to capturing the sense of dread and horror that the first book does, but as a stand-alone it was pretty alright. Interesting how they reimagined and incorporated character’s and plot points from all 3 books into the first season. Thought i was going to walk away upset after watching the show, but it just made me want to reread the trilogy
If the aliens are so smart why don't they just remove the human ability to lie it's just a chemical process in the brain in a point in the brain that can just easily be done away with if they're so advanced
The show was very good 10 out of 10 in visuals stunning and great. Cgi on point but I do have one thing a very small thing the show is great. The cast well picked but the one thing I didn't like again everything else great but the one thing is if these aliens are advanced why not truly understand human biology and maybe I don't know perhaps. Maybe taking away there ability to lie.
Also I don’t get why they originally wanted to co-exist. The first alien warned that they would conquer the Earth AND they were taking out scientists before they learned that humans could lie
some humans were tricked into thinking that. I don't think they had concern either way. Its a measure to protect themselves from us inventing space elevators and space nuking them.
hahaha yea xD I like to pretend to be illiterate too sometimes - illiteracy is fucking hilarious to me for some reason haha like that one picture of Floyd Mayweather sweating bullets out of his face trying to read a children's book upside down. Bruh im dead xD
30 minutes in the first episode, boring and bad so far, the chinese story line is good, but everything else, all the characters, bad. It better pick up quick
30 minutes in first episode, except the chinese storyline from the 1960s, everything else is shit so far. I cannot stress how it annoys me that they made the scientists so dumb.
@@llothar68 you would have to read from the beginning I'm afraid. The Show changed character names, genders, races, romantic relationships, timeline, and even some iconic scenes.
@@llothar68It’s about 1/3rd through the second book. The last half of the second book and the whole 3rd book are all pretty epic. It's basically just setting the stage for the actual events or the story. Also, the only thing the show did was being forward characters from the second and third book into the first season of the show. They were on the same timelines, but weren't introduced until later books. For instance, Wade wasn't introduced until the third book, but for continuity and “investment into characters” they're done a good job. Also, they've had to make one book character into a few different people, and switched roles here and there. Creative liberties are absolutely necessary to make a series from such an epic trilogy. Overall they've done a good job keeping the story together. Plus, Cixin Liu signed off on it.
Netflix ignores lots of important details and portrays many of the most mindblowing parts in a very plain way. If given the opportunity, anyone should read the whole book, which is definitely a masterpiece of humanity@@llothar68
@@DMDvideo10The definition of an acronym is "an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word." So, the OP was right.
Yes it’s relevant - the first strike of the grenade is critical to the “Dark Forest” answer to the Fermi Paradox; contrapositively, the breathing equipment is not unlike the stable survivable biosphere that the San Ti are pursuing
I really enjoyed this series. It wasn't boring or annoying like some sci-fi terror shows are. It kept me looped in. Saul will finally get the Einstein-God joke in the next season if he didn't already.
I am wondering if that joke refers to 'dark forest' rule or something else. I think Wenjie Ye finally realized the truth of San-Ti purpose to come to earth so she wanted to share a solution to Saul before she died. I didn't quite get the joke at the beginning but then I thought I've had understood that there always be a superior aliens being able to destroy you if you try to play with them (or tell them where you are) according to the dark forest rule. Saul can take advantage of this idea to threaten San-Tis by disclosing where they are to the universe.
@nickwu6534 I haven't read the book, but based on some of the comments, that might be the case. I understood the joke to an extent but didn't truly know what it referred to on how to defeat them.
@@nickwu6534Akshually, I think that might refer to that conversation she had with that one pacifist Trisolaran when she first send the message. He told don’t respond or they will come and invade you but she did it anyway. She(the scientist, I don’t remember her name) is Albert, that one pacifist Trisolaran is the angel, and the rest of them is God(Lord).
Its not a joke. She said it was a joke because she dont want aliens to know she was lying. She gave a riddle clue to saul on how to win. Which is "dont play with god". She actually turned at the end when abandoned by lord? At least that was my opinion. Imagine calling aliens and for several decades thinking about how can the be defeated or helped. Simulating all strategies in her head her last decades since she sent the signal. That is why she called saul. Basically she was a wallfacer without her knowing. And she gave that joke as a riddle to Saul
For a successful strategy in the universe, you either have to know with certainty that cooperation is endemic, or you have to resort to silence and hostility. Since we currently can't understand the universe, silence and hostility is the only possible successful strategy for this civilization.
its no different than mother nature. the weak will perish while the strong carry on. One of the things I like about the movie Oblivion (2013 film) is they came to earth for our water. So Who knows if there is a civilization out there that is lusting for our water kinda like how nations lust for oil.
the only flaw of the book I think is if those trisolarians have developed such advanced civilization and technology to create Sophon that require dimensional adjustment, why not they find another singular solar system nearby to colonize instead of flying 400 years to earth? And, to prevent the threat from human, they spend years and resources to create quantum level computers to interrupt humanity progression.
Correcting: The chinese for sophon is 智子, which literally translates as something like "wisdom particle". The explanation for the english word "sophon" that makes the most sense to me is, that it is a contraction of "sophia" (greek for wisdom) and proton. Now here is where it gets tricky. 智子 as a combination of characters is also used in japanese, for the female name "Tomoko". In the books she is also described as a woman of japanese appearance. In the english translation of the book, however, she is consistently and falsely called sophon. In conclusion: It's an error in translation.
Auggie or whatever her name is, is an annoying character to me. I was watching the show, thinking to myself like, just take her tech and ditch her. More of a risk than she needs to be. I can see her switching sides eventually. And the wall breakers using her to get into Saul’s head.
That was truly annoying to me as well too. But you cant really just take the tech and walk away with it. She leaks it anyways by the end but the main goal is to continue the evolution of tech and come up with new stuff as well. Will be interesting how the stuff plays out with the Wallbreakers couse that is a good point. But also fuck she was so annoying =))))))) I really dont know how a scientist out of all people could be so morally attacked by the idea of using tech to accomplish goals that will or can eventually help your planet from a mass extinction(yes, they killed people not aliens but still...those people were defeatists).
@@meffycodrin1853 I forgot that part about her leaking it. So now she seems more like a threat if the wall breakers can manipulate her. A big aspect of the next season if it continues with the wall facers will be about one’s capability to keep secrets. Auggie is the perfect candidate to get into Saul’s head and get him to tell his secrets. She’s going down the same path of Dr. Ye, developing a distaste for humans, and I can see her emotions causing her to sympathize for the San-Ti (Trisolarans).
There isn’t anything left for the character she overlays to do, so she will probably be more of a sidekick to work out ideas with for the rest of the story
Thematically it was very important when then Shan-Ti told the world that they are BUGS because this is exactly the type of "lie" that made them scared of humans. They have adapted to learn to lie and deceive now. It was a tonal shift.
Santi is Bugs because they are small while Human is huge. This is why they depict themselves in the virtual world with peculiar ability like organising individuals into a "collective computer" and the ability to dehydrate & rehydrate.
Netflix ripped my heart out after canceling The OA and The Society. I will be so disappointed if they cancel this. Best books Ive ever read. That final scene of the season with the bugs hit so much harder in the books.
@@athomenotavailable They didn't butcher it, they made it more palatable for Western audiences and introduced (admittedly to varying degrees of success) some character arcs and humanity to the cold sci-fi of the books. All of the story beats are there.
"Quinns ideas" on UA-cam, the channel, a must watch..he just released This month, March 2024"the ultimate guide to 3 body problem." It is a great thing to listen to if you can't read, and want to hear the book or something similar to the book... It is sort of a breakdown..oit if chronological order but dramatically tied instead.
@@Duomaxwell02M yep.. He was originally A Game of Thrones channel, do you remember ideas of ice and fire? I'm pretty sure that was his old channel name
More specifically, the "ultimate guide" he just released is a super-edit that includes basically all his old videos on this series glued together. It's good stuff, so worth a watch, but personally I would advise people to watch his old playlist where every video covers a specific topic for 20 minutes or so rather than a single behemoth of almost 5 hours.
Hi I think there's a misinterpretation of the plot at the end where Saul rejected the Wallfacer position. From what I've read from the book, the true meaning seems to be that: While Saul naively believes he can deny the position of Wallfacer, the intelligent people around him (UN General Secretary, his liason, his bodyguard) knows full well that there's simply no denying this job, and that everything he (Saul) says or does would be part of 'his plan', including 'appearing to be rejecting the position'. Therefore in the book, it almost portrays having this job as some sort of imprisonment, because people never look at you (Saul) the same way anymore. Now they just look at you with full hope and expectations, believing that you have the perfect plan against the San Ti, and the plan is underway. Additionally (I feel like they should have made this clear in the show), the reason for why Saul was chosen becomes clear once the viewers think about his past few days a bit - immediately before the UN session, he was the target of an assassination by the San Ti, but why? Immediately before the assassination, he was talking with the late Ye Wenjie (founder of ETO) where she told Saul a very esoteric joke about Einstein and God. The 'joke' at the time feels very out-of-place to us as viewers, but looking back, it becomes instantly clear that Ye Wenjie was trying to tell Saul something important, but was concerned that the San Ti might immediately recognise and put a stop to this, thus she resorted to using heavy metaphors and the disguise of a joke.
@@ReikiRandy okay, but HEAVY SPOILERS AHEAD: So as we remember from the show (episode 7), Ye Wenjie basically told a joke that goes like this: Einstein died and went to the Heaven, as a 'newly ascended member of Heaven' Einstein sees a violin and wants to play it (because he loves violin), angels come and warn him not to play because the God wouldn't like it (also God plays saxophone), but Einstein goes ahead and plays violin anyway, surprise surprise - God appears, smashes Einstein's violin, and kicks him in the balls. Angels come over and say 'we told you so'. If you remember from earlier episodes, you'd remember Ye Wenjie's disturbing past - she first heard back from a lone pacifist of the San Ti society, warning her not to reply again because the San Ti government would be able to pinpoint the Solar System and come and conquer it. Disillusioned with the Chinese Communists back then and society as a whole, Ye Wenjie ignored the warning and replied to the San Ti anyway, leading to the San Ti embarking on their journey to our Solar System. This is very synonymous to the 'angel' in her story, warning her to not 'play the violin' (as in, broadcasting signals and telling everyone around the Solar System that humans exist), and we the humankind as Einstein, a new member of the Heaven (an emerging interstellar civilization (because we can communicate over the stars now)). So what about the rest of her joke? God playing saxophone? God not liking us 'playing violin'? God assaulting us and 'smashing our violin'? This is the key information that Ye was trying to tell Saul - we as viewers can now kind of guess what would happen: so we broadcast signals and reveal our species, and San Ti people will come and... kill us all? And destroys our... broadcasting stations? But that doesn't make 100% sense because we (now in 2024) know that the San Ti was simply trying to come to Earth to survive, killing us isn't *really* their priority as long as they can settle on Earth. An alternative explanation would make much more sense: 'the God' in Ye Wenjie's story isn't really the San Ti. She's talking about civilizations even more advanced than the San Ti, and if we let *them* know of our existence we'd be doomed (probably the Earth and the entire Solar System). This explanation makes more sense when you think about how the San Ti seems to *really* don't want Saul (and the rest of human) to know this, because this provides more leverage for us as humans: we can threaten the San Ti that we're going to broadcast signals all over the universe, deliberately inviting the super advanced civilizations to come and destroy our planets, thus making our planets useless to the San Ti (AND effectively ending their race, since now they truly don't have a proper planet to survive on). As for why this would necessarily be true (as in - why was Ye Wenjie certain that any advanced civilization would be hostile to us and would kill us the first chance they get), it goes back to one of the biggest premises of the book, the one about Fermi Paradox, about why there is already an alien civilization literally 4 light years away from us but we didn't know about it until now - it's because the universe is actually teeming with life, civilizations are literally everywhere, but each goes out of their way to hide their existence out of fear of being wiped out by more advanced civilizations. As soon as a civ gets advanced enough, they learn the one true tenet of the universe: no matter how advanced you think you are, there are always civilizations out there that are more advanced than yours, beyond your wildest imaginations. And if they lay their eyes on your civilization, with technologies being developed at seemingly light speeds... they don't see a potential ally that can be reasoned with, or be engaged diplomatically; all they see is a huge threat that, is probably already more advanced than them by the time they see them lightyears away (what with all these huge time delays on a galactic scale). Naturally, they would want to preemptively destroy you. With this kind of mentality being the natural conclusion, we arrived at the universe that we're in today - a metaphorically 'dark forest' of a universe where everyone hopes nobody finds them, but wants to find everybody else so they can wipe out all potential adversaries.
As a reader from China, changes in gender and race are acceptable, but I feel that the changes in couples are terrible. The original work was originally written by people from different fields and circles, who met, get to know each other, and became acquainted with each other (相遇、相识、相知) due to the Three Body Incident. All of them have become lovers here, and the plot is too shallow and lacks humanistic depth
i absoulte agree !! the netflux interpretation doesn´t come close to the intensity of the box , its to soapy, too less science ,and some unnesssecary story character changes that render the story flat
I think it will be interesting if Will (Yun Tianming) meets the San-Ti Pacifist who tried to tell Ye Wenjie to not answer. If anyone reads "The Redemption of Time," it is understandable why Sophon told Thomas Wade and Jin that humanity will not be satisfied with the answer of what the San-Ti really looks like (similar to the book fans' reactions). Also, the pests speech Mike Evans gave was an accidental insult to the point it could be used as a racist slur to the San-Ti (Trisolarans). Will's talk about the simplicity of not overthinking or overanalyzing the birds is good because it shows that Will will not go nearly insane or overthink the San-Ti's true forms and treat them as normal sentient beings. 1. Auggie Salazar = Wang Miao 2. Jin Cheng = Cheng Xin 3. Saul Durand = Luo Ji 4. Will Downing = Yun Tianming Since Season 2 might cover the Dark Forest novel, Saul Durand (Luo Ji) will likely be the main protagonist for Season 2 with Jin (Cheng Xin) and the others in the background.
yeah but, isnt Will(Yun Tianming) mostly the reason how they manage to learn how to deceive by the 3rd book? Becouse they studied the human brain or smth?
@@meffycodrin1853 I guess Will (Yun Tianming) will be the reason why Sophon became a snarky, manipulative, and sarcastic AI (like Dolores from Westworld). Funny enough, they get along.
@@nickwu6534 Yun Tianming (Will) convinced Sophon to watch over and protect Cheng Xin (Jin Cheng) in the end. Tianming is kind of the reason why Sophon transitioned from an emotionless AI to a quirky snarky entity.
I watch half episode, then sleep (it's time to bed) and I dream about the show. Wake up and watch the rest with still had the dream effect, it's very good.
That was the whole point of the judgement day cruise ship. They knew that they would conquer the world, they said it themselves, but it was also established that they were going to coexist with the humans who sympathized with their plight. But they walked that back for the most part when they found out humans are capable of lying. So they were going to kill the scientist or who ever that were doing things to either help humanity or didn’t side with them in their game.
They didn't lie, they changed their minds. They can do that, also withhold information. They can also create feints and distractions. So not being able to lie isn't a huge drawback. More so they're worried about not being able to understand human thinking and strategies since they're not used to the concept of disinformation.
Regardless of whether they planned to live at peace with us at first, they understood humanity's prospect for significant advancement in 400 years, meaning we could be a superior race (and threat to them) if not slowed down.
I LOVE this book series and didn't even realize it was being made into a show and just binged it yesterday - for someone who didn't read the books you did an absolutely phenomenal job Just one tiny nuanced correction - the countdowns that the scientists saw were not the time given to finish their work it was a countdown to the scientists STOPPING all work on their specific area of expertise - the book explains it more obviously but these scientists were considered threats and was part of their overall plan to stop or significantly slowdown Earth science
@@Ian-lh9diHe’s sure. I would like to second that, if you like ‘hardish’ sci-fi. Exceptional writing, character development, theme, and pacing. If someone is a fan of sci-fi, then they will love it.
The fact that I have already watched 3 breakdown videos about the entire season 1 of this show even tho am just at episode 5. But am still interested to finish watching the other episodes even tho I know what's going to happen, should tell u how interesting this show is. I really hope they don't fall into the Netflix curse and get cancelled for no reason cass am already looking forward to season 2
Netflix ignores a lot of important details and portrays many of the most mindblowing parts in a very plain way. If given the opportunity, anyone should read the book, which is definitely a masterpiece of humanity
I‘m not a reader at all and i don‘t like it. but. I loved this series so much i‘m considering it. Would you say it‘s worth it? And where should i atop reading if i dont want to get spoilered for future seasons?
I wondered if the San-Ti’s message “ You are bugs” was influenced by their conversation with Mike Evan’s concerning humans’ capacity for lying where he opined humans were “pests.” BTW, I was totally drawn in to this story, the well-played characters (Loved Clarence, boo-hooed over Will!), and the excellent production. Left me seriously wanting more! Great summary, BTW.
@@ShirleyTimpleI know they meant that but I still believe that “bug” reference came after their conversation with Mike where he suggested lying humans were bug-like pests & that’s why writers portrayed that particular discussion.
“That answer can mostly be chalked up to being the result of a miscommunication (or perhaps the San-Ti coming to understand us better than we do ourselves) on account of Mike Evans, one of the highest ranking members of the San-Ti devotees. During one of his conversations with the San-Ti, he refers to opponents of the devotee organization as “pests,” which the San-Ti take to mean actual bugs.”
I noticed in the VR game portion that the “humans” where reacting to the catastrophes in weird ways. Like dehydrating and rehydrating. The aliens might react to the elements in that way.
In that sense, the San Ti are like Earth's plant life. Like seeds that can go dormant for long periods of time when environmental conditions are not met/fertile. These high functioning lifeforms may be unable to process the fauna nuances of lies, but like world of the flora, they follow the rules of evolution, diversification, and propagation. In forests like the Amazon, tree saplings patiently but fiercely compete for territory and sunlight when older trees fall. Natural selection have primed these species for war.
never made it through the books but watched the chinese adaptation which is basically word for word. can't for the love of me undertstand why they dropped the whole "physics doesn't exist" thing and the genius turkey/hunter analogy. not only does it establish the existential horror of the story but it's also THE reason why scientists kill themselves. setup in the netflix show just doesn't make any sense without it. chinese adaptation maybe long and slow as hell but at least it's coherent.
THERE IS A CHINESE ADAPTATION??? 0A0 .... Please, tell us unknowing creatures, where to find it! I will endure watching it, just to enjoy some COMMON SENSE. THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH FOR NOTING, THAT NETFLIX's 3 Body Problem IS NOTHING BUT A REMAKE so to speak.
@@judithstein3533 eh... i can't tell if it's sarcasm or not, but i watched it on a russian streaming service. pretty sure you can find it on some less reputable websites to download with english subs. i mentioned it to point out that i've not read the books but am still familiar with the material and quite like it, btw.
@@judithstein3533 can't tell if it's sarcasm or not, but I watched it on a russian streaming service. can't guess where you can watch it somewhere else in the world (legally).
I absolutely loved this show. As a science nerd without any formal science education, it was so cool how they used concepts that we are all familiar with and tied it in with this alien survival/horror story. Can't wait for season 2!
as a Chinese who read the novels over 10 years ago and then enjoyed both English transtion by Ken Liu and Chinese audible version (Ximalaya) , I've been looking forward to the show since the announcement by the duo after GOT. And now I can't wait season 2. Due to Liu Cixin's writing style I can't say I'm a huge fan of the books but I've been a great fan of Sci-Fi. This is better than than the Tencent version which is slow-paced and somewhat serious (well, truthful to the books, as some said ) . I particularly enjoyed the adaptation of Jin Cheng & Will Downing plot line (Origami boats + Lana Del Rey + DX3906). Good job Netflix. I can't explicit my thoughts in Chinese forums which I feel quite sad. There's extreme voices and ubuquitous malevolence. Some people just can't sit down and enjoy a good story. There's history and there's fun.
I agree. This adaptation is quite enjoyable to watch, unlike the book in which most characters are boring as hell, except Ye Wenjie - she is the only one I feel likeable. In this show characters do behave like human beings and the chemistry between them is also fascinating, and surprisingly their interaction despite not being faithful to the novel drives the plot pretty well.
@@thatchacre5763The books are enjoyable if you understand that the protagonist is humanity, not the characters. It doesn't translate good to TV tho, and I understand the changes.
>There's extreme voices and ubuquitous malevolence I'm curious what this meant if you care like telling us more. What do Chinese people dislike about this series?
What if the spaceship failure at the end was an illusion? Aliens showed how they can make people see stuff that isn't real. And the mission in actuality is a success. Just a thought.
Oooooh thats a great thought and I really hope you're right cause I want to see will brought back! But I'm wondering how they know where to aim the capsule
I enjoyed this show. I never read the books, but the only problem i have with this story is that they can't trust liars, yet one was going to lie and keep the original message a secret from the others. 🤔
Yeah, I though that was a bit of a leap. Like, they hadn't figured that out already, and it was the Red Riding Hood story that made them change their whole outlook on humanity?
(I know its an old comment, but) The listener never lied. He just said to us "don't respond, if you do, we will come", the Trisolarians communicate with themselves via thoughts, thats why they don't know the concept of lying up until this point. And he also never said that he would keep this a secret from his superiors. He just said he was the first that received the message (and in that sense, could at least warn us to not engage in messages anymore, because that would only confirm our location and existence). He indeed, only told the truth, to us and to his superiors aswell when asked I dunno if you read the books already or not, but I highly recommend, this chapter in the books is written from the Trisolarians perspective, and in this case, the Listener who warned us.
Show was great. Better than the book for me because the cast had great chemistry. The story stuck to the book when it could and adapted when it needed to. To me, a brilliant adaptation of a very compelling book.
Best series in a long time. Binged the episodes over two days. Cant wait for another season on Netflix so I have downloaded the 2nd book of the trilogy to learn how the story continues.
I think that the San Ti don’t really understand the the concept of a lie and they think that all humans are liars, but also they don’t know the difference between a good lie and a bad one. Also I feel like the reason Saul was picked as a Wallfacer was because the San Ti don’t know that he really doesn’t know what he is doing and think it’s a lie to gain a advantage over them, plus I also found it kind of funny how he was asking his liaison what his job was when he told him that he wasn’t a Wallfacer and continued to tell him he is his liaison, it was like the one episode where Patrick Star and Man Ray were arguing about his wallet.
San-Ti direct translate to Three-body in Chinese. As a Chinese, i think trisolaran is a way better name for global audiences. IDK, or they just want the villian to have a chinese name😂😂
@@pinbo5465 Even though I've read the English version of the novel with "tri-solarian" name, I totally up to the mandarin version of the name. I am a Russian, hence I don't care much :)
This was mildly interesting, but so full of bad science / social interaction / plot illogic that it makes going so far as to read the books seem pointless if they are in any way similar.
I've watched you for many years and I still come back because you put together really comprehensive overviews of videos ❤ Great skill! And thank you, love your work
Man-made climate change was more than a century away when we first identified it as a potential problem, but it feels pretty bloody important now, doesn't it? It's easy to say "not our problem, there's tons of time" when it's not your lives that are on the line, but that's how your descendants end up getting slaughtered because all their ancestors figured they had more important stuff to do. Couple all this with the cryogenic stasis, and suddenly people alive in 2024 are easily capable of surviving until the San-Ti arrive.
@14:53 Saul Durant is targeted and then chosen for the program because of the conversation he had at the cemetery with Ye Wenjie, who told him that joke about Einstein trying to play with God. The San-Ti don't understand jokes or metaphors, but they do not want to take the chance that secret knowledge was passed along through the joke. The only clue you get for what she figured out is in the 2 book titles she looks at before meeting Saul, "Fermi Paradox" and "Game Theory". Fermi Paradox is the question: If the universe is so huge and full of life, how come we don't see any signs of life? Game Theory is a type of math that helps you develop strategies to win any type of game, war, or standoff when you have limited information about your opponents.
This was the most awesome event so far on streaming video!!Even before S2 comes out, it's worth watching over again..but this time, more carefully. I've watched it all twice so far--- pausing every few minutes, thinking about what I just saw and heard...rewinding to see those minutes again!! OMG..the dialogue, the off the cuff comments.... the sly literary references, the philosophies and theories., the science facts and scientific hypotheses and the mind-blowing fiction and special FX....and the characters! just wow!! You gotta see it all again or you have not really seen it!!
(Spoilers) Could be a metaphor for the dark forest hypothesis. Playing the violin is like sending a radio signal, that gives away one's location to a more advanced and hostile species ("God"). Saul will later understand this dynamic, and use it as a deterrent against the San-Ti.
Wow. I didn’t get the violin as a radio signal layer of a joke. I thought it wad a hint to “play with God" meaning Saul could use Game Theory principles.
im so happy that Netflix put everything in the beginning of the earths past trilogy timeline in the beginning because the second and 3rd book which were set hundreds and thousands of years in the future respectively started with things from the 21st century timeline
The aliens could not have built the headsets -- they are not on earth -- so the humans did, so either A) they were told how -- and then quickly forgot everything they did, or b) the story is just plain stupid and makes not sense -- the main idiot killer tantia or however is spelled is surprised to get a head set so she obviously did not build them -- so who did? and how come the tech is lost? and how come it was never discussed anywhere? silly.
I loved the books and was worried about a Netflix adaptation, especially from the D's. But I actually really enjoyed it! I'm American, so I didn't mind the change in settings from China to London, and changes to the characters. It worked really well for the screen, especially for Western audiences, I think. And they kept in the parts of the book that I loved - it was awesome being able to watch them on the screen. We are 🦗 🪳 🐝 🦋
@@wayneeicher5483 Yep, agree. While I found it awesome to read, because I haven't read many non-western sci-fi books, I think a mainly Chinese-focused show wouldn't work very well for western audiences. There is a Chinese adaptation that Quinn from Quinn's Ideas covered, but it looks like they changed a lot - especially anything having to do with the Cultural Revolution.
I don't understand the staircase project. How is the probe / Will supposed to get information back to earth? Is it blasting a signal back to earth constantly? How is Will's brain supposed to do anything since it's frozen? Is the plan that the San-Ti will defrost him and just let him communicate with earth?? What am I missing?
@@westlyf3451 my understanding is that it is a multi-purpose plan. First it is a hail marry move to send someone to learn anything from alien and hopefully influence them or learn from them which happened in book 3. Secondly like explained in the show the process of making this project is also gonna advance they engineering technology. Lastly it is my understanding when your life is threatened but that threat wont happen till many years later, you might just give up or ignore it, this project is a good reason to unite people and resource and encourage people to fight instead of surrender.
"you are all bugs". I didn't think the San-Ti are able to use metaphors as they're akin to lying? Wasn't that the whole conversation they had with Rich Evens? When he called their enemy "pests" during the little red riding hood scene?
To be fair, that was pretty much a non-event in the book and they did flesh it out (no pun intended) very well in the show. Although the 'Panama Canal' looked more like part of the Thames to me.
Since I subscribe, I knew you were the best to explain the premise of this show and I would comprehend 😊. I'll skip season 1 and watch season 2 if it gets renewed. Thanks and keep up the great work 👍.
If the aliens are worried about humans developing crazy new technologies, then why warn humans that they are coming, plus give them a date of arrival. This just motivates humanity to try harder.
@anonymousone6075 I have read the books, but the television show is quite different than the books. The aliens in the show felt it necessary to call humans bugs and then send this message out to all everyone. That is a stupid move to make if you think one day that human technology might match your own.
@@stephendean2896 Looking at it from a different perspective, the intimidation might be intended to incite chaos and turmoil within human society. This could indeed hinder the advancement of human civilization, although it’s not explicitly depicted in the show
it's a strategy meant to replicate people's already existing ideas and expectations about God and his arrival which as you know in this day and age is important to people. The San-Ti used that to convert followers. These followers essentially are able to do the bidding of the San-Ti for them.
Because santi cannot lie. santi will invade earth, They cannot lie or hide they are coming. They cannot hide the arrival date. Assuming Evans ask Sophon "my loard, when will you arrival?" Sophon have no choice but telling the truth.
started the book but hated it because too many of the characters started conversations and just STOP randomly having it, and you can tell the reason is the writer doesn't want us to have the answers to what's going on yet, no other reason. So, I stopped reading it. Then I thought well maybe it will work better as a TV show, so tried this one. HATED this too, so much of what happens (up till ep 5 where I stop) doesn't make sense, not the science (which is so bad it makes Back To the Future look possible in comparison) it the choices people make. There are 1000s ways to get a hard drive off the ship, but lets murder woman and children in mass numbers and risk destroying the very thing we are trying to get because one of the main characters invented something cool... the whole things is a POS!
Hearing 'San-Ti ' instead of 'Trisolarans' was really annoying. think they did a decent job adapting, though I didn't like they brush over the science stuff.
I agree. The direct translation to Trisolarans would be more relevant than adapting the Chinese pronunciation, I am a Chinese so I know what San-Ti refers to but not quite informative to the global audiences. Trisolarans at least emphasize why they are coming and the reason they flee away from their chaotic solar system to survive.
yeh weird choice since its been de-chinesified, to then revert to a chinese version of the name. But to be fair i never got why they aren't just centaurians, i mean, we're presumably not monosolarans to them, and Sol is our particular Sun not their stars alpha, beta, and proxima Centauri, i would have thought tri-stellarians would be pedantically accurate.
It started pretty well but dragged a bit even though it was only 8 episodes. The female characters Girl-Bossed to their detriment. They were often extremely rude to every male they interacted with and it felt like it was coming from modern California writers instead of realistic human interaction. The book is by a Chinese author, I really doubt the characters come off so aggressively rude throughout the novel. Every interaction from how they spoke to Jack, Will, Saul, Raj, even their boss and the male secretary.
The San-Ti were definitely going to wipe us out whether Evans snitched on us or not 🤣 I binged the hell out of this and loved it! Cant wait to see more and thanks for the review.
It is ever more problematic, she killed Jack and broke the glass live in color with the detective wong looking right at the window !!! how come he does not see the glass break? i can understand that the sanit non-bots can erase digital information but from my perspective watching the scene she is doing it live while he is in the car looking at the building and it is highly implied he sees nothing !! how come? There is often things in this show that sorry do not make sense really if you think about it? tell me who made the headsets and how? with what tech that 'we' bug-humans do not have -- remember the san-ti are NOT here in our world only there zero-mass computers toys are here that can change digital - ok fine -- but who is mass producing the vr head sets the sicko version of facebook -- they called oculus and said make us this crazy device - eh? silly. last but not least, the main first character who contacted the aliens because 'she things humanity is bad' -- well she lives in communist china (who i am told by the way blocked this series from playing there) but none the less they are shown not to be so nice, and she bases her whole idea of humanity on these people? we have terrible people all over the world we also have the VAST majority of humans as good people so this is a silly premise and makes me not feel sorry for her, more i see her as someone to despise.
(spoiler) it's ironic that they called humans "bugs", as in later books the trisolarans (San-Ti) where described as amorphous, and (if going by the semi-canon spinoff books "redemption of time"), they are no larger than about the height of a grain of rice or say ..bugs.
Lots of funny things about the books and this show. Like if you are that advanced, just engineer a human killing virus and be done with it. Stop all these stupid theatrics.
Yep, and even if they compensated for this by having the nukes in pre-determined orbits synchronized to be in position at the right nanosecond, this would be millions of times more difficult to pull off than just using the Project Orion approach, developed decades ago. Shoot the nukes out the back, and use a pusher plate/radiation shield to capture the kinetic energy.
Author of this novel (Liu) liked to use more primitive way for large engineering projects like space warships, nukes for propelling, or huge jet engines to push earth (in his novel Wardering Earth, got a movie adaption too)
@@RadagastBrown420 At least the show tried to explain it: in a society everyone can read each others' minds, too difficult to hide intentions when communicating, like "maybe you lost your apple in your home (I stole and ate it)" but able to make theories, like "let's imagine there is 10 apples" Will need to block fellow mind reading/fake thoughts in my "brain" to hide intentions, and that might be a time wasting talent in a struggling race Also it brings new concern: writer should pay more attention in conveying the word "lie", SanTi may not even have that term in the first place, Evens would need much efforts to explain
I binged this show in a day and a half , and I enjoyed it so much . Very well done ,I'm going to purchase the book series. Can't wait to read what happens to humanity.
be prepared, it's very sad```I remember after I finished the book, I didn't feel good, it's kind of those books that actually get to you and make you feel you're(we are) a bit worthless and future is just pointless```
⭐ We have only 400 years to wait till season 2... ⭐ What did ya'll think of season 1?
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Time to dehydrate and wait for season 2 (hopefully).
You never said if you liked the series? What did you think
Got one insight explained incorrect, the Sophons can’t see everything all the time on earth, we get to “see” through one of the Sophon in a later scene and it is possible to hide from the Sophons if humanity is globally coordinating.
They should hire Japanese writers for these kinds of shows.
Season 2 coming soon in 3024😅
Moral of the story: don’t read Little Red Riding Hood to aliens.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
or just yknow, lie about humanity's ability to lie
if thats all it takes then they were coming anyway
Imagine you're a civilisation that cannot comprehend lying, as your minds are transparent and you do not even know the baby step of concealing info, let alone lie. And then your follower explains you the concept, in the most dubious way by a story which is a lie made up by humans to tell you do not trust liars. Thats the human equivalent of your friend/follower saying "I can read minds, everyone you met or seen till now can as well"
I would abandon them on the spot man, especially if you're a whole new different species.
@@timthyfriend you're not really taking your thought experiment far enough... even if your thoughts are transparent because of obligatory telepathy, there should still be ways to avoid thinking of stuff and to "encrypt" stuff. the key here is interpretation: mindreading does not necessarily mean equivalent interpretation.
my theory is that it is quite impossible for the santi to be unaware of "lying" as a concept (especially after having scanned our wikipedia duh) so this was a likely a ploy by them to get rid of evans and his ETO crew. it also makes a philosophical _casus belli_ so the santi can justify their imminent invasion; but it itself is a lie.
ending explained. proceeds to talk about the plot of the whole movie and not explain the ending lol
every ending explained video
dudes gotta get clicks on the internets somehow. what better way than to describe an ending that never actually happened and waste 20 mins of your time while getting they get paid for it?
ending is simple and clear
To me it’s a very clear explanation of an ending: humanity chooses to fight even though the enemy is superior and they don’t know how to fight
get with the times. every ending explained is like this. or read the book
i cant will 400 years for season two.
This show is garbage 🤢
Put your hand on the ground.
No@@realanimeir3173
@@realanimeir3173you're garbage
😂 clever @@rustybeth99
I actually enjoyed the show more than i was expecting. Doesn’t even come close to capturing the sense of dread and horror that the first book does, but as a stand-alone it was pretty alright. Interesting how they reimagined and incorporated character’s and plot points from all 3 books into the first season. Thought i was going to walk away upset after watching the show, but it just made me want to reread the trilogy
If the aliens are so smart why don't they just remove the human ability to lie it's just a chemical process in the brain in a point in the brain that can just easily be done away with if they're so advanced
Do you think Netflix would allow the trilogy ending?
Same
very much agree its a very pleasant surprise they did a good job here
i am hooked.
The show was very good 10 out of 10 in visuals stunning and great. Cgi on point but I do have one thing a very small thing the show is great. The cast well picked but the one thing I didn't like again everything else great but the one thing is if these aliens are advanced why not truly understand human biology and maybe I don't know perhaps. Maybe taking away there ability to lie.
Also I don’t get why they originally wanted to co-exist. The first alien warned that they would conquer the Earth AND they were taking out scientists before they learned that humans could lie
I noticed this as well. Seems like a major plot hole. Can someone explain?
some humans were tricked into thinking that. I don't think they had concern either way. Its a measure to protect themselves from us inventing space elevators and space nuking them.
@@johnjames4834did you not see the ending scene with the bugs flying everywhere?
of course i saw it so what@@oli.y
Maybe they lie too and felt threatened when they discovered humans can lie😉
I binge watched all the Season 1 episodes today. Season 2 needs to be released right away.
Yes
Imagine having to wait till 2026
@@givemeacutenickname1500 Better than waiting 400 yrs.
me too!
Second books and third books are crazier than first one.
"mostly because I can't read" Dude I nearly snorted soda through my nose
🙄
that's why we're all here xD
was the soda coke
Good. We can comment without him knowing. Mostly.
hahaha yea xD
I like to pretend to be illiterate too sometimes - illiteracy is fucking hilarious to me for some reason haha
like that one picture of Floyd Mayweather sweating bullets out of his face trying to read a children's book upside down. Bruh im dead xD
Does anyone else think that the star that Will "bought" for Jin will play a significant role later on in the series?
of course it will
Yea in the book they cast a “spell” on a star but I won’t spoil it
@@lance8980Wrong book, wrong star. 😉
yeah im sure the aliens will honour the star agreement
otherwise how could it affect anything
also do you get the planets too
In the books, kind of. Dunno what they'll do with it in the show though
I thought it was very good. I really hope this gets to finish adapting the series.
Since we are talking about Netflix, i doubt it.
Book 2 and book are probably 3x or 4x the budget of the first. It's not going to have enough views to warrant that.
30 minutes in the first episode, boring and bad so far, the chinese story line is good, but everything else, all the characters, bad. It better pick up quick
30 minutes in first episode, except the chinese storyline from the 1960s, everything else is shit so far. I cannot stress how it annoys me that they made the scientists so dumb.
I hope it gets canceled like cowboy bebop or whatever it’s called. They ruined the story.
I feel like the “you are bug” reveal was the best finale. The final 2-3 episodes just felt a little slow.
Too much Will and friends nonsense. The real reveal is that the santi are also bugs
@@llothar68 They are doing heavy character development for Will because hes going to be important in the future.
@@RockyXu does jin ends up with will?
@@dhimankalita1690 No but they met again big time
@@llothar68will is the most important character in the series imho
The books that this series is based off of are amazing.
How far in the book are we at end of season one?
@@llothar68 you would have to read from the beginning I'm afraid. The Show changed character names, genders, races, romantic relationships, timeline, and even some iconic scenes.
@@llothar68It’s about 1/3rd through the second book. The last half of the second book and the whole 3rd book are all pretty epic. It's basically just setting the stage for the actual events or the story. Also, the only thing the show did was being forward characters from the second and third book into the first season of the show. They were on the same timelines, but weren't introduced until later books. For instance, Wade wasn't introduced until the third book, but for continuity and “investment into characters” they're done a good job. Also, they've had to make one book character into a few different people, and switched roles here and there. Creative liberties are absolutely necessary to make a series from such an epic trilogy. Overall they've done a good job keeping the story together. Plus, Cixin Liu signed off on it.
And yet. Everything is meaningless. No book will stand the test of eternity.@@nepenthy9804
Netflix ignores lots of important details and portrays many of the most mindblowing parts in a very plain way. If given the opportunity, anyone should read the whole book, which is definitely a masterpiece of humanity@@llothar68
Three words: Wong’s the GOAT.
GOAT isn't a word. It's an acronym for 4 words "greatest of all time". Sorry to steal your thunder! (and I agree he is!)
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@@DMDvideo10The definition of an acronym is "an abbreviation formed from the initial letters of other words and pronounced as a word." So, the OP was right.
@@DMDvideo10 you have to be joking
@@KP-zd3hc Well at least one person got it. Yes I was being sarcastic...
When Jin and Raj had dinner with Raj's family, his father telling the story is relevant to theme of the series
It has to do with Earthers threatening them to reveal their planets location?
I think it’s for IDBM scoring😄
@anonymousone6075 this didn't happen in the books but what Raj's father said is relevant to the story.
Yes it’s relevant - the first strike of the grenade is critical to the “Dark Forest” answer to the Fermi Paradox; contrapositively, the breathing equipment is not unlike the stable survivable biosphere that the San Ti are pursuing
hmm, I read the books twice. The dinner is not in the books, but I got your point, it is relevant.
I really enjoyed this series. It wasn't boring or annoying like some sci-fi terror shows are. It kept me looped in. Saul will finally get the Einstein-God joke in the next season if he didn't already.
I am wondering if that joke refers to 'dark forest' rule or something else. I think Wenjie Ye finally realized the truth of San-Ti purpose to come to earth so she wanted to share a solution to Saul before she died. I didn't quite get the joke at the beginning but then I thought I've had understood that there always be a superior aliens being able to destroy you if you try to play with them (or tell them where you are) according to the dark forest rule. Saul can take advantage of this idea to threaten San-Tis by disclosing where they are to the universe.
@nickwu6534 I haven't read the book, but based on some of the comments, that might be the case. I understood the joke to an extent but didn't truly know what it referred to on how to defeat them.
I think he does already but he can't say it out cuz wallfacer.
@@nickwu6534Akshually, I think that might refer to that conversation she had with that one pacifist Trisolaran when she first send the message. He told don’t respond or they will come and invade you but she did it anyway. She(the scientist, I don’t remember her name) is Albert, that one pacifist Trisolaran is the angel, and the rest of them is God(Lord).
Its not a joke. She said it was a joke because she dont want aliens to know she was lying. She gave a riddle clue to saul on how to win. Which is "dont play with god". She actually turned at the end when abandoned by lord? At least that was my opinion. Imagine calling aliens and for several decades thinking about how can the be defeated or helped. Simulating all strategies in her head her last decades since she sent the signal. That is why she called saul. Basically she was a wallfacer without her knowing. And she gave that joke as a riddle to Saul
The most terrifying about the books is it is possible that is the true nature of the universe
i honestly think this is how the universe is. it's startlingly silent for how vast the universe is.
yeah,hello my bug friends
For a successful strategy in the universe, you either have to know with certainty that cooperation is endemic, or you have to resort to silence and hostility. Since we currently can't understand the universe, silence and hostility is the only possible successful strategy for this civilization.
its no different than mother nature. the weak will perish while the strong carry on. One of the things I like about the movie Oblivion (2013 film) is they came to earth for our water. So Who knows if there is a civilization out there that is lusting for our water kinda like how nations lust for oil.
@ricardomarin487 lol that's not nature. Strength is defined in many ways, depending on the situation. Adapting is the key.
Correcting: Sophon is the Sophons, she is their AI
the only flaw of the book I think is if those trisolarians have developed such advanced civilization and technology to create Sophon that require dimensional adjustment, why not they find another singular solar system nearby to colonize instead of flying 400 years to earth? And, to prevent the threat from human, they spend years and resources to create quantum level computers to interrupt humanity progression.
Earth is the closest. They cannot travel faster than light.
@@nickwu6534 read the book, or keep watching (hope the TV series will be able to deliver).
@@nickwu6534 cause earth is probably the closest
Correcting: The chinese for sophon is 智子, which literally translates as something like "wisdom particle".
The explanation for the english word "sophon" that makes the most sense to me is, that it is a contraction of "sophia" (greek for wisdom) and proton.
Now here is where it gets tricky. 智子 as a combination of characters is also used in japanese, for the female name "Tomoko". In the books she is also described as a woman of japanese appearance.
In the english translation of the book, however, she is consistently and falsely called sophon.
In conclusion: It's an error in translation.
Auggie or whatever her name is, is an annoying character to me. I was watching the show, thinking to myself like, just take her tech and ditch her. More of a risk than she needs to be. I can see her switching sides eventually. And the wall breakers using her to get into Saul’s head.
That was truly annoying to me as well too. But you cant really just take the tech and walk away with it. She leaks it anyways by the end but the main goal is to continue the evolution of tech and come up with new stuff as well. Will be interesting how the stuff plays out with the Wallbreakers couse that is a good point. But also fuck she was so annoying =))))))) I really dont know how a scientist out of all people could be so morally attacked by the idea of using tech to accomplish goals that will or can eventually help your planet from a mass extinction(yes, they killed people not aliens but still...those people were defeatists).
@@meffycodrin1853 I forgot that part about her leaking it. So now she seems more like a threat if the wall breakers can manipulate her. A big aspect of the next season if it continues with the wall facers will be about one’s capability to keep secrets. Auggie is the perfect candidate to get into Saul’s head and get him to tell his secrets. She’s going down the same path of Dr. Ye, developing a distaste for humans, and I can see her emotions causing her to sympathize for the San-Ti (Trisolarans).
There isn’t anything left for the character she overlays to do, so she will probably be more of a sidekick to work out ideas with for the rest of the story
I bet they’ll merge her future storyline with Ay A A. She was running the company that builds cosmic elevators and was a close friend to Chen Xin.
I hated her character, Just cab]n't buy a woman that hot in the role of an inventor. Makes no sense.
Thematically it was very important when then Shan-Ti told the world that they are BUGS because this is exactly the type of "lie" that made them scared of humans. They have adapted to learn to lie and deceive now. It was a tonal shift.
Santi is Bugs because they are small while Human is huge. This is why they depict themselves in the virtual world with peculiar ability like organising individuals into a "collective computer" and the ability to dehydrate & rehydrate.
not a lie, its a metaphor surely.
Netflix ripped my heart out after canceling The OA and The Society. I will be so disappointed if they cancel this. Best books Ive ever read. That final scene of the season with the bugs hit so much harder in the books.
Just watch the Tencent version. It's too draggy, but they managed to make all the important parts worth the while, unlike how Netflix butchered it.
@@athomenotavailable They didn't butcher it, they made it more palatable for Western audiences and introduced (admittedly to varying degrees of success) some character arcs and humanity to the cold sci-fi of the books. All of the story beats are there.
They also canceled 1899, an amazing serie. That's why I only watch series that already have at least 2 seasons.
The OA was such a good series in whixh i was extremely invested...such a shame
"Quinns ideas" on UA-cam, the channel, a must watch..he just released This month, March 2024"the ultimate guide to 3 body problem." It is a great thing to listen to if you can't read, and want to hear the book or something similar to the book... It is sort of a breakdown..oit if chronological order but dramatically tied instead.
Just discovered this myself!!! What an amazing channel
He's mainly a Dune channel so Quinn covering this is great
@@Duomaxwell02M yep.. He was originally A Game of Thrones channel, do you remember ideas of ice and fire? I'm pretty sure that was his old channel name
More specifically, the "ultimate guide" he just released is a super-edit that includes basically all his old videos on this series glued together.
It's good stuff, so worth a watch, but personally I would advise people to watch his old playlist where every video covers a specific topic for 20 minutes or so rather than a single behemoth of almost 5 hours.
Quinn is the reason I'm into Dune and Three- Body. 👍👍👍
With Netflix track record ..hopefully they wrap the full story up by the 2nd season before its cancelled.
I hope they change their minds and cancel it now, saving everyone from wasting more of their lives watching this TERRIBLE show.
Hi I think there's a misinterpretation of the plot at the end where Saul rejected the Wallfacer position. From what I've read from the book, the true meaning seems to be that:
While Saul naively believes he can deny the position of Wallfacer, the intelligent people around him (UN General Secretary, his liason, his bodyguard) knows full well that there's simply no denying this job, and that everything he (Saul) says or does would be part of 'his plan', including 'appearing to be rejecting the position'.
Therefore in the book, it almost portrays having this job as some sort of imprisonment, because people never look at you (Saul) the same way anymore. Now they just look at you with full hope and expectations, believing that you have the perfect plan against the San Ti, and the plan is underway.
Additionally (I feel like they should have made this clear in the show), the reason for why Saul was chosen becomes clear once the viewers think about his past few days a bit - immediately before the UN session, he was the target of an assassination by the San Ti, but why? Immediately before the assassination, he was talking with the late Ye Wenjie (founder of ETO) where she told Saul a very esoteric joke about Einstein and God.
The 'joke' at the time feels very out-of-place to us as viewers, but looking back, it becomes instantly clear that Ye Wenjie was trying to tell Saul something important, but was concerned that the San Ti might immediately recognise and put a stop to this, thus she resorted to using heavy metaphors and the disguise of a joke.
go oooooon…
I need to re-watch again about that joke.
I figured they picked Saul because of Will.
@@ReikiRandy okay, but HEAVY SPOILERS AHEAD:
So as we remember from the show (episode 7), Ye Wenjie basically told a joke that goes like this: Einstein died and went to the Heaven, as a 'newly ascended member of Heaven' Einstein sees a violin and wants to play it (because he loves violin), angels come and warn him not to play because the God wouldn't like it (also God plays saxophone), but Einstein goes ahead and plays violin anyway, surprise surprise - God appears, smashes Einstein's violin, and kicks him in the balls. Angels come over and say 'we told you so'.
If you remember from earlier episodes, you'd remember Ye Wenjie's disturbing past - she first heard back from a lone pacifist of the San Ti society, warning her not to reply again because the San Ti government would be able to pinpoint the Solar System and come and conquer it. Disillusioned with the Chinese Communists back then and society as a whole, Ye Wenjie ignored the warning and replied to the San Ti anyway, leading to the San Ti embarking on their journey to our Solar System.
This is very synonymous to the 'angel' in her story, warning her to not 'play the violin' (as in, broadcasting signals and telling everyone around the Solar System that humans exist), and we the humankind as Einstein, a new member of the Heaven (an emerging interstellar civilization (because we can communicate over the stars now)).
So what about the rest of her joke? God playing saxophone? God not liking us 'playing violin'? God assaulting us and 'smashing our violin'?
This is the key information that Ye was trying to tell Saul - we as viewers can now kind of guess what would happen: so we broadcast signals and reveal our species, and San Ti people will come and... kill us all? And destroys our... broadcasting stations? But that doesn't make 100% sense because we (now in 2024) know that the San Ti was simply trying to come to Earth to survive, killing us isn't *really* their priority as long as they can settle on Earth.
An alternative explanation would make much more sense: 'the God' in Ye Wenjie's story isn't really the San Ti. She's talking about civilizations even more advanced than the San Ti, and if we let *them* know of our existence we'd be doomed (probably the Earth and the entire Solar System). This explanation makes more sense when you think about how the San Ti seems to *really* don't want Saul (and the rest of human) to know this, because this provides more leverage for us as humans: we can threaten the San Ti that we're going to broadcast signals all over the universe, deliberately inviting the super advanced civilizations to come and destroy our planets, thus making our planets useless to the San Ti (AND effectively ending their race, since now they truly don't have a proper planet to survive on).
As for why this would necessarily be true (as in - why was Ye Wenjie certain that any advanced civilization would be hostile to us and would kill us the first chance they get), it goes back to one of the biggest premises of the book, the one about Fermi Paradox, about why there is already an alien civilization literally 4 light years away from us but we didn't know about it until now - it's because the universe is actually teeming with life, civilizations are literally everywhere, but each goes out of their way to hide their existence out of fear of being wiped out by more advanced civilizations.
As soon as a civ gets advanced enough, they learn the one true tenet of the universe: no matter how advanced you think you are, there are always civilizations out there that are more advanced than yours, beyond your wildest imaginations. And if they lay their eyes on your civilization, with technologies being developed at seemingly light speeds... they don't see a potential ally that can be reasoned with, or be engaged diplomatically; all they see is a huge threat that, is probably already more advanced than them by the time they see them lightyears away (what with all these huge time delays on a galactic scale). Naturally, they would want to preemptively destroy you.
With this kind of mentality being the natural conclusion, we arrived at the universe that we're in today - a metaphorically 'dark forest' of a universe where everyone hopes nobody finds them, but wants to find everybody else so they can wipe out all potential adversaries.
he's a distraction at least!
If you hadnt read the books, then this show is a good watch!
I read the trilogy and honestly I liked the TV show as well. It had to be changed to appeal to the masses.
As a reader from China, changes in gender and race are acceptable, but I feel that the changes in couples are terrible. The original work was originally written by people from different fields and circles, who met, get to know each other, and became acquainted with each other (相遇、相识、相知) due to the Three Body Incident. All of them have become lovers here, and the plot is too shallow and lacks humanistic depth
dt5690, Exactly, have read all the three books and the spin off as well and have really enjoyed the show.
if youre into race switching and gender swapping for no reason, this is a good watch
i absoulte agree !! the netflux interpretation doesn´t come close to the intensity of the box , its to soapy, too less science ,and some unnesssecary story character changes that render the story flat
Justice for Jack!
Indeed
He was an idiot
I haven't had a proper bag of crisps since he passed... sorely missed.
06:44 that was not Genghis Khan, that was Kublai khan, grandson of Genghis Khan.
This video does not explain the end, its just a summary of season 1, bad video title, click bait
I think it will be interesting if Will (Yun Tianming) meets the San-Ti Pacifist who tried to tell Ye Wenjie to not answer. If anyone reads "The Redemption of Time," it is understandable why Sophon told Thomas Wade and Jin that humanity will not be satisfied with the answer of what the San-Ti really looks like (similar to the book fans' reactions). Also, the pests speech Mike Evans gave was an accidental insult to the point it could be used as a racist slur to the San-Ti (Trisolarans). Will's talk about the simplicity of not overthinking or overanalyzing the birds is good because it shows that Will will not go nearly insane or overthink the San-Ti's true forms and treat them as normal sentient beings.
1. Auggie Salazar = Wang Miao
2. Jin Cheng = Cheng Xin
3. Saul Durand = Luo Ji
4. Will Downing = Yun Tianming
Since Season 2 might cover the Dark Forest novel, Saul Durand (Luo Ji) will likely be the main protagonist for Season 2 with Jin (Cheng Xin) and the others in the background.
yeah but, isnt Will(Yun Tianming) mostly the reason how they manage to learn how to deceive by the 3rd book? Becouse they studied the human brain or smth?
It depends if you think Redemption of time is Canon or not @@meffycodrin1853
@@meffycodrin1853 I guess Will (Yun Tianming) will be the reason why Sophon became a snarky, manipulative, and sarcastic AI (like Dolores from Westworld). Funny enough, they get along.
so Will Downing will become the 'god' and save human at the end? I think Yun Tianming in the books from my understanding is more like a hidden hero.
@@nickwu6534 Yun Tianming (Will) convinced Sophon to watch over and protect Cheng Xin (Jin Cheng) in the end. Tianming is kind of the reason why Sophon transitioned from an emotionless AI to a quirky snarky entity.
That AI lady looks like Kourtney Kardashian
In books they designed her to look like a famous porn star 😅 (not joking)
I thought it was her.
I agree lol
oh thank goodness I wasn't the only one. I had to look her up to make sure.
Ouch. 😂
I watched it in one day.freaking awesome
Just finished my second watch-through. Absolutely incredible. Things are going to get Soo good
Me to and now I want dehydrated and wake me up when season 2 comes😂
I watch half episode, then sleep (it's time to bed) and I dream about the show. Wake up and watch the rest with still had the dream effect, it's very good.
Same
Question: Why were they killing the scientist if, at first, they planned to live peacefully with humans? It appears they lied first?
The scientist killed themselves due to existential crisis caused by the complete nonsense physics/science has become.
That was the whole point of the judgement day cruise ship. They knew that they would conquer the world, they said it themselves, but it was also established that they were going to coexist with the humans who sympathized with their plight. But they walked that back for the most part when they found out humans are capable of lying. So they were going to kill the scientist or who ever that were doing things to either help humanity or didn’t side with them in their game.
Just like you would keep monkeys in zoos, and watchn them, you don't want them to go extinct, but you don't want planet of the apes scenario
They didn't lie, they changed their minds. They can do that, also withhold information. They can also create feints and distractions. So not being able to lie isn't a huge drawback. More so they're worried about not being able to understand human thinking and strategies since they're not used to the concept of disinformation.
Regardless of whether they planned to live at peace with us at first, they understood humanity's prospect for significant advancement in 400 years, meaning we could be a superior race (and threat to them) if not slowed down.
oh god, is this going to be another one of those good shows netflix cancels with no ending.
I LOVE this book series and didn't even realize it was being made into a show and just binged it yesterday - for someone who didn't read the books you did an absolutely phenomenal job
Just one tiny nuanced correction - the countdowns that the scientists saw were not the time given to finish their work it was a countdown to the scientists STOPPING all work on their specific area of expertise - the book explains it more obviously but these scientists were considered threats and was part of their overall plan to stop or significantly slowdown Earth science
For anyone who cares, Inner Mongolia isn't actually IN Mongolia. It's a part of China. Sorry, I'm a geography stickler 🙃
True, it’s like New Mexico is a US state bordering Mexico.
But it used to be part of Mongolia.
@@RadagastBrown420 Used to be. Not at the time Ye Winjie was there. It had been a part of China for two decades by then.
@@RadagastBrown420 Mongolia was part of China.
Oh ,look at rikorobinson's big brain. I’m saying this while eating my 1/4 pounder.
Read the novel, read the novel, read the novel.
Are you sure?
@@Ian-lh9diHe’s sure. I would like to second that, if you like ‘hardish’ sci-fi. Exceptional writing, character development, theme, and pacing. If someone is a fan of sci-fi, then they will love it.
It's three books
@@RadagastBrown420 i have my own problems. i dont want to read about someone else's problems
@corork perspective?
The fact that I have already watched 3 breakdown videos about the entire season 1 of this show even tho am just at episode 5. But am still interested to finish watching the other episodes even tho I know what's going to happen, should tell u how interesting this show is. I really hope they don't fall into the Netflix curse and get cancelled for no reason cass am already looking forward to season 2
Netflix ignores a lot of important details and portrays many of the most mindblowing parts in a very plain way. If given the opportunity, anyone should read the book, which is definitely a masterpiece of humanity
I‘m not a reader at all and i don‘t like it. but. I loved this series so much i‘m considering it. Would you say it‘s worth it? And where should i atop reading if i dont want to get spoilered for future seasons?
I wondered if the San-Ti’s message “ You are bugs” was influenced by their conversation with Mike Evan’s concerning humans’ capacity for lying where he opined humans were “pests.” BTW, I was totally drawn in to this story, the well-played characters (Loved Clarence, boo-hooed over Will!), and the excellent production. Left me seriously wanting more! Great summary, BTW.
No, they meant it literally. We are helpless bugs and they plan to eradicate us.
@@ShirleyTimpleI know they meant that but I still believe that “bug” reference came after their conversation with Mike where he suggested lying humans were bug-like pests & that’s why writers portrayed that particular discussion.
@@GratefulZenexactly. They’ve learned metaphors from Mike and they thought this one is spot on
“That answer can mostly be chalked up to being the result of a miscommunication (or perhaps the San-Ti coming to understand us better than we do ourselves) on account of Mike Evans, one of the highest ranking members of the San-Ti devotees. During one of his conversations with the San-Ti, he refers to opponents of the devotee organization as “pests,” which the San-Ti take to mean actual bugs.”
yes, you are right.
Having just read the first book I think the show was actually very well done. What changes that were made, made sense and were for the better.
why dont humans learn to communicate purely through sarcasm, which the aliens cant fully comprehend?
psh... sure. there's no way us human can screw that up, right? Good luck.
We should transmit episodes of The Big Bang Theory to them.
If they can't lie how come they can make elaborate simulations based on lies?
This is obviously a massive plot hole.
What do you mean? @@RadagastBrown420
@@RadagastBrown420 Trisolarians just looks down on human species, lie or not, it is just an excuse. "You are bugs" sum it all.
I noticed in the VR game portion that the “humans” where reacting to the catastrophes in weird ways. Like dehydrating and rehydrating. The aliens might react to the elements in that way.
In that sense, the San Ti are like Earth's plant life. Like seeds that can go dormant for long periods of time when environmental conditions are not met/fertile. These high functioning lifeforms may be unable to process the fauna nuances of lies, but like world of the flora, they follow the rules of evolution, diversification, and propagation. In forests like the Amazon, tree saplings patiently but fiercely compete for territory and sunlight when older trees fall. Natural selection have primed these species for war.
I think they’re bugs with exoskeletons that can lie dormant.
This lost me when the greatest minds on Earth didn't realise that an all-seeing, all-knowing alien would see their stupid plan coming.
never made it through the books but watched the chinese adaptation which is basically word for word. can't for the love of me undertstand why they dropped the whole "physics doesn't exist" thing and the genius turkey/hunter analogy. not only does it establish the existential horror of the story but it's also THE reason why scientists kill themselves. setup in the netflix show just doesn't make any sense without it.
chinese adaptation maybe long and slow as hell but at least it's coherent.
THERE IS A CHINESE ADAPTATION??? 0A0 .... Please, tell us unknowing creatures, where to find it! I will endure watching it, just to enjoy some COMMON SENSE.
THANK YOU SOOOO MUCH FOR NOTING, THAT NETFLIX's 3 Body Problem IS NOTHING BUT A REMAKE so to speak.
@@judithstein3533 eh... i can't tell if it's sarcasm or not, but i watched it on a russian streaming service. pretty sure you can find it on some less reputable websites to download with english subs.
i mentioned it to point out that i've not read the books but am still familiar with the material and quite like it, btw.
@@judithstein3533腾讯视频有发布，深受好评，值得一看。
@@judithstein3533 Tencent made a 30 episode series which is a lot better in my opinion, the Netflix show is the dumbed down version.
@@judithstein3533 can't tell if it's sarcasm or not, but I watched it on a russian streaming service. can't guess where you can watch it somewhere else in the world (legally).
I absolutely loved this show. As a science nerd without any formal science education, it was so cool how they used concepts that we are all familiar with and tied it in with this alien survival/horror story. Can't wait for season 2!
Kublai Khan, not Genghis Khan, you know, the one that Marco Polo met.
not noonian singh then
as a Chinese who read the novels over 10 years ago and then enjoyed both English transtion by Ken Liu and Chinese audible version (Ximalaya) , I've been looking forward to the show since the announcement by the duo after GOT. And now I can't wait season 2. Due to Liu Cixin's writing style I can't say I'm a huge fan of the books but I've been a great fan of Sci-Fi. This is better than than the Tencent version which is slow-paced and somewhat serious (well, truthful to the books, as some said ) . I particularly enjoyed the adaptation of Jin Cheng & Will Downing plot line (Origami boats + Lana Del Rey + DX3906). Good job Netflix. I can't explicit my thoughts in Chinese forums which I feel quite sad. There's extreme voices and ubuquitous malevolence. Some people just can't sit down and enjoy a good story. There's history and there's fun.
I agree. This adaptation is quite enjoyable to watch, unlike the book in which most characters are boring as hell, except Ye Wenjie - she is the only one I feel likeable. In this show characters do behave like human beings and the chemistry between them is also fascinating, and surprisingly their interaction despite not being faithful to the novel drives the plot pretty well.
@@thatchacre5763The books are enjoyable if you understand that the protagonist is humanity, not the characters. It doesn't translate good to TV tho, and I understand the changes.
>There's extreme voices and ubuquitous malevolence
I'm curious what this meant if you care like telling us more. What do Chinese people dislike about this series?
I just watched te series in the last for days. Gripping and shocking. Especially the "cruise" scene.
Cruise scene never made sense to me. Just send in the Navy Seals, far less collateral damage.
What if the spaceship failure at the end was an illusion? Aliens showed how they can make people see stuff that isn't real. And the mission in actuality is a success. Just a thought.
Oooooh thats a great thought and I really hope you're right cause I want to see will brought back! But I'm wondering how they know where to aim the capsule
@@drenter7037 yeah I guarantee that's what's going to happen
I enjoyed this show. I never read the books, but the only problem i have with this story is that they can't trust liars, yet one was going to lie and keep the original message a secret from the others. 🤔
Yeah, I though that was a bit of a leap. Like, they hadn't figured that out already, and it was the Red Riding Hood story that made them change their whole outlook on humanity?
Unless the Pacifist isn't Santee.
(I know its an old comment, but) The listener never lied. He just said to us "don't respond, if you do, we will come", the Trisolarians communicate with themselves via thoughts, thats why they don't know the concept of lying up until this point. And he also never said that he would keep this a secret from his superiors. He just said he was the first that received the message (and in that sense, could at least warn us to not engage in messages anymore, because that would only confirm our location and existence). He indeed, only told the truth, to us and to his superiors aswell when asked
I dunno if you read the books already or not, but I highly recommend, this chapter in the books is written from the Trisolarians perspective, and in this case, the Listener who warned us.
Show was great. Better than the book for me because the cast had great chemistry. The story stuck to the book when it could and adapted when it needed to. To me, a brilliant adaptation of a very compelling book.
Best series in a long time. Binged the episodes over two days. Cant wait for another season on Netflix so I have downloaded the 2nd book of the trilogy to learn how the story continues.
I think that the San Ti don’t really understand the the concept of a lie and they think that all humans are liars, but also they don’t know the difference between a good lie and a bad one. Also I feel like the reason Saul was picked as a Wallfacer was because the San Ti don’t know that he really doesn’t know what he is doing and think it’s a lie to gain a advantage over them, plus I also found it kind of funny how he was asking his liaison what his job was when he told him that he wasn’t a Wallfacer and continued to tell him he is his liaison, it was like the one episode where Patrick Star and Man Ray were arguing about his wallet.
I watched all episodes in one sitting with food and bathroom breaks 😂
I totally enjoyed this series, great storyline and actors !!
Was weird that they changed the name for trisolarans
they didn’t. San-Ti is the original names for them in the Chinese version.
@@jakeraught4939Thank you for clarification, I actually suspected it watching the show.
San ti literally means trisolarans in Chinese
San-Ti direct translate to Three-body in Chinese. As a Chinese, i think trisolaran is a way better name for global audiences. IDK, or they just want the villian to have a chinese name😂😂
@@pinbo5465 Even though I've read the English version of the novel with "tri-solarian" name, I totally up to the mandarin version of the name. I am a Russian, hence I don't care much :)
This was mildly interesting, but so full of bad science / social interaction / plot illogic that it makes going so far as to read the books seem pointless if they are in any way similar.
I've watched you for many years and I still come back because you put together really comprehensive overviews of videos ❤ Great skill! And thank you, love your work
I’m worried that Netflix will cancel before finishing the series. They didn’t even say there was a season 2 at the end
This feels more like a S01 synopsis than explaining the season 1 ending.
So the aliens have all this advanced technology but can’t even predict when they’ll get good weather
Well 3 body problem solution is impossible to predict .
hours of my life would be saved if I had watch this video first.
I found Will & Saul's characters so insufferable. But also 400 yrs till invasion just makes the danger not as urgent coz it's 4generations away.
In the books their characters are crucial. Saul is up to really great things and Will… well, I’m not gonna spill anything for you, just wait and see 😉
Man-made climate change was more than a century away when we first identified it as a potential problem, but it feels pretty bloody important now, doesn't it?
It's easy to say "not our problem, there's tons of time" when it's not your lives that are on the line, but that's how your descendants end up getting slaughtered because all their ancestors figured they had more important stuff to do.
Couple all this with the cryogenic stasis, and suddenly people alive in 2024 are easily capable of surviving until the San-Ti arrive.
@14:53 Saul Durant is targeted and then chosen for the program because of the conversation he had at the cemetery with Ye Wenjie, who told him that joke about Einstein trying to play with God. The San-Ti don't understand jokes or metaphors, but they do not want to take the chance that secret knowledge was passed along through the joke. The only clue you get for what she figured out is in the 2 book titles she looks at before meeting Saul, "Fermi Paradox" and "Game Theory". Fermi Paradox is the question: If the universe is so huge and full of life, how come we don't see any signs of life? Game Theory is a type of math that helps you develop strategies to win any type of game, war, or standoff when you have limited information about your opponents.
Benedict Wong was the most engaging on-screen presence.
This was the most awesome event so far on streaming video!!Even before S2 comes out, it's worth watching over again..but this time, more carefully. I've watched it all twice so far--- pausing every few minutes, thinking about what I just saw and heard...rewinding to see those minutes again!! OMG..the dialogue, the off the cuff comments.... the sly literary references, the philosophies and theories., the science facts and scientific hypotheses and the mind-blowing fiction and special FX....and the characters! just wow!! You gotta see it all again or you have not really seen it!!
I only care about Will and his floating brain into the cosmos.
How exactly were we supposed to get this intel from him, once the aliens intercepted his brain?
@@martystrasinger3801they aren’t, it was intended as a suicide mission
I’m glad I watched this video about explaining the ending that didn’t explain the ending at all.
Ive read three books, but I don't get Einstein violin joke. how to derive some principles from that joke? big challenge.
Me too! I know roughly where that story line is going but can’t quite figure out how that story/joke applies
(Spoilers) Could be a metaphor for the dark forest hypothesis. Playing the violin is like sending a radio signal, that gives away one's location to a more advanced and hostile species ("God"). Saul will later understand this dynamic, and use it as a deterrent against the San-Ti.
@@helkafen100I also felt like the music was a foreshadowing for the Singer's Race.. the destroyers
Wow. I didn’t get the violin as a radio signal layer of a joke. I thought it wad a hint to “play with God" meaning Saul could use Game Theory principles.
@@iamo0Your game interpretation makes a lot of sense, I like it. Maybe they intended it to be multi-layered, like the fairy tales.
im so happy that Netflix put everything in the beginning of the earths past trilogy timeline in the beginning because the second and 3rd book which were set hundreds and thousands of years in the future respectively started with things from the 21st century timeline
When Aliens can build High End VR Headsets, why didnt they build Super Robots and took earth instantly?🤣
The aliens could not have built the headsets -- they are not on earth -- so the humans did, so either A) they were told how -- and then quickly forgot everything they did, or b) the story is just plain stupid and makes not sense -- the main idiot killer tantia or however is spelled is surprised to get a head set so she obviously did not build them -- so who did? and how come the tech is lost? and how come it was never discussed anywhere? silly.
I think Tatiana should practice her Mandarin accent，
Now we are comrades, this is an iconic line in the play
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I loved the books and was worried about a Netflix adaptation, especially from the D's. But I actually really enjoyed it! I'm American, so I didn't mind the change in settings from China to London, and changes to the characters. It worked really well for the screen, especially for Western audiences, I think. And they kept in the parts of the book that I loved - it was awesome being able to watch them on the screen. We are 🦗 🪳 🐝 🦋
I’m in the exact same boat. I thought they adapted this very well. The books are very dry with characters and Chinese lol
@@wayneeicher5483 Yep, agree. While I found it awesome to read, because I haven't read many non-western sci-fi books, I think a mainly Chinese-focused show wouldn't work very well for western audiences. There is a Chinese adaptation that Quinn from Quinn's Ideas covered, but it looks like they changed a lot - especially anything having to do with the Cultural Revolution.
I didnt like how they the character of Luo Ji into a sex-addicted stoner. They could've made him asian atleast.
@@SuperLOLABC ahahah yeah that was a little weird but look at the people that in schools these days ahah
@@SuperLOLABCthe characterization was the same tbh
If this show dosen't get a season two, I for one will become our new alien overlords.
trisolarans calling human bugs, funnily enough they are most likely as small as bugs
Meh, keep your fanfic slop
Which is why they were offended when Mike Evans mentioned bugs being able to be squashed.
I don't understand the staircase project. How is the probe / Will supposed to get information back to earth? Is it blasting a signal back to earth constantly? How is Will's brain supposed to do anything since it's frozen? Is the plan that the San-Ti will defrost him and just let him communicate with earth?? What am I missing?
Good question! Not sure how the people on earth are going to benefit from this staircase project.
@@westlyf3451 my understanding is that it is a multi-purpose plan. First it is a hail marry move to send someone to learn anything from alien and hopefully influence them or learn from them which happened in book 3. Secondly like explained in the show the process of making this project is also gonna advance they engineering technology. Lastly it is my understanding when your life is threatened but that threat wont happen till many years later, you might just give up or ignore it, this project is a good reason to unite people and resource and encourage people to fight instead of surrender.
"you are all bugs".
I didn't think the San-Ti are able to use metaphors as they're akin to lying? Wasn't that the whole conversation they had with Rich Evens? When he called their enemy "pests" during the little red riding hood scene?
Yup. You spotted it - they are learning. ..
Wongs humourus dialogues are Goat, i laughed so hard for entrepreneur joke 😂
The story of how the young Chinese billionaire who produced the show was murdered is even crazier than the show itself
Aliens: “You lie and we are incompatible.” Also Aliens: Spends the ENTIRE series lying to Earth’s physicists.
This show is amazing. Had to watch it all in one night lol
This was such a great analysis. I'm impressed and I will subscribe.
It was a good watch. The tanker scene is terrifying.
To be fair, that was pretty much a non-event in the book and they did flesh it out (no pun intended) very well in the show. Although the 'Panama Canal' looked more like part of the Thames to me.
Since I subscribe, I knew you were the best to explain the premise of this show and I would comprehend 😊. I'll skip season 1 and watch season 2 if it gets renewed. Thanks and keep up the great work 👍.
I think Tatiana is one of the most mysterious characters of the show
12:19 This is a BOOK SPOILER which you promised you would not give.
13:00 not the tagline for Will Downing: "likes to be probed" 😭
You did an amazing job summarizing the show, nice, very nice lolll
If the aliens are worried about humans developing crazy new technologies, then why warn humans that they are coming, plus give them a date of arrival. This just motivates humanity to try harder.
@anonymousone6075 I have read the books, but the television show is quite different than the books. The aliens in the show felt it necessary to call humans bugs and then send this message out to all everyone. That is a stupid move to make if you think one day that human technology might match your own.
@@stephendean2896 Looking at it from a different perspective, the intimidation might be intended to incite chaos and turmoil within human society. This could indeed hinder the advancement of human civilization, although it’s not explicitly depicted in the show
@@NiDiEBa “Great Ravine”
it's a strategy meant to replicate people's already existing ideas and expectations about God and his arrival which as you know in this day and age is important to people. The San-Ti used that to convert followers. These followers essentially are able to do the bidding of the San-Ti for them.
Because santi cannot lie. santi will invade earth, They cannot lie or hide they are coming. They cannot hide the arrival date. Assuming Evans ask Sophon "my loard, when will you arrival?" Sophon have no choice but telling the truth.
started the book but hated it because too many of the characters started conversations and just STOP randomly having it, and you can tell the reason is the writer doesn't want us to have the answers to what's going on yet, no other reason. So, I stopped reading it. Then I thought well maybe it will work better as a TV show, so tried this one. HATED this too, so much of what happens (up till ep 5 where I stop) doesn't make sense, not the science (which is so bad it makes Back To the Future look possible in comparison) it the choices people make. There are 1000s ways to get a hard drive off the ship, but lets murder woman and children in mass numbers and risk destroying the very thing we are trying to get because one of the main characters invented something cool... the whole things is a POS!
Hearing 'San-Ti ' instead of 'Trisolarans' was really annoying.
think they did a decent job adapting, though I didn't like they brush over the science stuff.
I agree. The direct translation to Trisolarans would be more relevant than adapting the Chinese pronunciation, I am a Chinese so I know what San-Ti refers to but not quite informative to the global audiences. Trisolarans at least emphasize why they are coming and the reason they flee away from their chaotic solar system to survive.
It appears they assume their target audience is to dumb to digest the technical explanations.
As a Chinese I'm especially annoyed by how they pronounced "San Ti". Trisolaran is a far better name
yeh weird choice since its been de-chinesified, to then revert to a chinese version of the name. But to be fair i never got why they aren't just centaurians, i mean, we're presumably not monosolarans to them, and Sol is our particular Sun not their stars alpha, beta, and proxima Centauri, i would have thought tri-stellarians would be pedantically accurate.
Good breakdown, subscribed!
Been waiting for this one!!!
Didn’t ask
@@aaaggg4135 you’re just a friendly ray of sunshine aren’t you…. Spreading positivity throughout the internet. Good for you ☀️👍
It started pretty well but dragged a bit even though it was only 8 episodes. The female characters Girl-Bossed to their detriment. They were often extremely rude to every male they interacted with and it felt like it was coming from modern California writers instead of realistic human interaction. The book is by a Chinese author, I really doubt the characters come off so aggressively rude throughout the novel. Every interaction from how they spoke to Jack, Will, Saul, Raj, even their boss and the male secretary.
I enjoyed watching this series!
The San-Ti were definitely going to wipe us out whether Evans snitched on us or not 🤣 I binged the hell out of this and loved it! Cant wait to see more and thanks for the review.
All the Chinese names in the books made it hard for me to keep up it helped switching to audio
Cicadas were made into a Pokemon with 2 diverging evolutions.
No damn way is Tatiana human!
She effortlessly pinned dude with one hand with so much pressure it cracked the glass. How is she THAT strong?
She wasn‘t at that moment i think
It is ever more problematic, she killed Jack and broke the glass live in color with the detective wong looking right at the window !!! how come he does not see the glass break? i can understand that the sanit non-bots can erase digital information but from my perspective watching the scene she is doing it live while he is in the car looking at the building and it is highly implied he sees nothing !! how come? There is often things in this show that sorry do not make sense really if you think about it? tell me who made the headsets and how? with what tech that 'we' bug-humans do not have -- remember the san-ti are NOT here in our world only there zero-mass computers toys are here that can change digital - ok fine -- but who is mass producing the vr head sets the sicko version of facebook -- they called oculus and said make us this crazy device - eh? silly. last but not least, the main first character who contacted the aliens because 'she things humanity is bad' -- well she lives in communist china (who i am told by the way blocked this series from playing there) but none the less they are shown not to be so nice, and she bases her whole idea of humanity on these people? we have terrible people all over the world we also have the VAST majority of humans as good people so this is a silly premise and makes me not feel sorry for her, more i see her as someone to despise.
Tatiana is not human
(spoiler) it's ironic that they called humans "bugs", as in later books the trisolarans (San-Ti) where described as amorphous, and (if going by the semi-canon spinoff books "redemption of time"), they are no larger than about the height of a grain of rice or say ..bugs.
Stationary nukes in space is totally impossible, it goes against the most basic orbital mechanics.
I was wondering about that 😂.
Also how can the Santi make elaborate simulations when they aren't even able to lie? 😂😂
Lots of funny things about the books and this show. Like if you are that advanced, just engineer a human killing virus and be done with it. Stop all these stupid theatrics.
Yep, and even if they compensated for this by having the nukes in pre-determined orbits synchronized to be in position at the right nanosecond, this would be millions of times more difficult to pull off than just using the Project Orion approach, developed decades ago. Shoot the nukes out the back, and use a pusher plate/radiation shield to capture the kinetic energy.
Author of this novel (Liu) liked to use more primitive way for large engineering projects like space warships, nukes for propelling, or huge jet engines to push earth (in his novel Wardering Earth, got a movie adaption too)
@@RadagastBrown420 At least the show tried to explain it: in a society everyone can read each others' minds, too difficult to hide intentions when communicating, like "maybe you lost your apple in your home (I stole and ate it)" but able to make theories, like "let's imagine there is 10 apples"
Will need to block fellow mind reading/fake thoughts in my "brain" to hide intentions, and that might be a time wasting talent in a struggling race
Also it brings new concern: writer should pay more attention in conveying the word "lie", SanTi may not even have that term in the first place, Evens would need much efforts to explain
I binged this show in a day and a half , and I enjoyed it so much . Very well done ,I'm going to purchase the book series. Can't wait to read what happens to humanity.
be prepared, it's very sad```I remember after I finished the book, I didn't feel good, it's kind of those books that actually get to you and make you feel you're(we are) a bit worthless and future is just pointless```