To feel important, he pouts to be tasked and trusted with it. Just as he supervises/manages his feeble, very old, hard of hearing parent’s and their many dogs, he must manage something for poor, lonely Jen and vulnerable Madeline, too. Infuriating AF
SS piping up about his folks currently facing + navigating their important, end of life directives is a pretty eerie, off the wall comment to throw out.
SS awarded a task as big as medication administration is him weaseling his way slowly in deeper, to gain unfettered access to every component, personal aspect in their lives.
One thing about jury duty selection recently, I got myself excused because of time restrictions etc but they show a video about who should or should not be a juror. It’s pretty informative and I wish people could understand that making snap judgments about something is not only unreasonable but unfair. Facts matter, not emotions or feelings. Be safe out there
Listening at 1:30:57 when they are discussing the period products. Stern's parents said that he was highly anxious on Saturday after speaking to Madeline and was looking for meds. I'm now wondering if she told him that she missed her period. Such a scare would trigger him big time.
MD here. Very concerning that Maddie supposedly had rectal bleeding and constipation at her age. Jenn just opted to give her daughter miralax regularly without a doctors instruction. It's an over the counter medication but explicitly states if using over a few days or having red flag sx described by Maddie, take your kiddo to the doctor! There are very serious medical conditions that present in this way. Universally patients of all ages call or come in if there is a spec of blood on coming from their anus the first time. Why was she self treating Maddie for so long? Very dangerous to use this medication long term without guidance
Many kids with ADHD deal with chronic constipation. Miralax is the go to medication pediatricians prescribe. Also not being unkind but did you listen to the audio? She literally says she had series of testing related to constipation. It was most likely recommended by doc. Lastly my son who is both ADHD and ASD deals with chronic constipation. He's been on Miralax since age 4, and is 9 in a few days. Unfortunately its very common
You're not an MD for kids I assume? I've called my sons doctor multiple times for rectal bleeding and was assured it's nothing to worry about unless it's not stopping and not bright red in color. We even see urology regularly because he has urinary frequency as a direct result of constipation. Doctors all assure you that miralax is safely used long term with children.
JS stated she had been seeing others in this interview so I wonder if she had new guys over and didn't want Maddy with her? I'm surprised the officers didn't inquire if the new guys slept over. Just wondering what could she have meant. And why was she monitoring her 12-13 yr old daughters period??? What did she know?
Jen also said she slept with her grandmother, still lying? Hardly, it’s a generalisation. Also, saying she wasn’t going to be doing something is not the same as actually doing it. I could tell you that I’m not going to eat chocolate again because it gives me a headache, but I probably will! Context is needed for the text message, she could have been referring to her bpd meds not working, she’d already said she needed to get to sleep quickly or she couldn’t sleep at all once she’d taken them, but I’m guessing, without context it makes no sense.
@@glamisgirl309 I monitored my daughters cycle because 1) it would let me know why she was moody, 2) it wasn’t always regular in the first few years and 3) it’s good practice to teach young girls that they should track it.
Idk man something is not right with JS… zero tears or emotion shown, during any of it. Seeing photos of SS , junk in her child’s mouth and that wasn’t a concern for her, telling the detectives, that the “sex” stuff wasn’t evil… as a mother, she missed every sign, all the signs, smacking her in her face and she chose to look away. If your almost 13 yr old daughter, does not want to sleep alone, there’s a reason.. you don’t send her to a room with extra locks, sex toys and lube, to sleep with your ex boyfriend- your don’t call the father of the guy arrested for the sexual assault and murder of your only child, and tell him to get him a lawyer/ why on earth would you be defending him?!? With thousands of photos as evidence, she still defends him. Sterns own parents know he is sick and twisted and have done more to help the investigation, then JS has. Every time she talks with cops, it is a different story. I believe 💯, charges will be brought against her.
As far as that sex stuff not being evil, that was from the documents and is only a "summary". We do not have transcripts, video or audio to hear the whole conversation. This is a fact and you can see that for yourself in the documents. We are lacking context. Jumping to conclusions with only a few sentences in an entire interview is not seeking truth.
Even Stephan Sterns own father told LE how shocked he was at the text Jenn sent him telling him to get Stephan a lawyer NOW. He said he expected Jenn to freak out on him or even attack him when he gave her a ride home from the police station but instead they both got food from Wawa and she just carried on normal conversation with him.
@@MM-ik7csI get what you’re saying- but your defense of this person is kind of insane tbh. Like… clearly she’s a fkd up mother- period point blank. She didn’t expect everything to come to this, but oddly this drama is probably making her life entertaining to herself. What kind of life was she living? One she probably didn’t care for anyway and didn’t see a light- so her daughter’s life was sadly a casualty to her. Like she needed to create this huge soap opera to make her life interesting or something.
Also... her friend said she didn't get her period in January. The police officer is saying that she possibly didn't get her period in February. Why are they even talking about periods if she wasn't pregnant - it wouldn't even be a topic of conversation.
Sometimes people need to hear something specific to believe a mother knew… but the mere fact that she doesn’t consider SA of a child as evil… well I guess she could just looked the other way. Maybe it is not common knowledge but it’s often the case in these horrific situations. Mothers have more support for the perpetrators than the child victim.
@@beanj580 a report by LE March 1st During the interview, Jennifer Soto continuously protected Stephan Sterns, was questioned about why she prioritizes Stephan Sterns over (Madeline), and even at one point referred to the ‘sex stuff as not evil but the murder of (Madeline) as ‘evil,” the report says.
The document is only a summary. It even says it's a summary. They put 2 or 3 sentences of a whole conversation in that summary. We need to hear the whole conversation to know the context. To judge on that, when much is left out is just irresponsible and incomplete.
She knows lots of details about Stephan. She conveniently forgets many of her last moments Maddie. I don’t need a smoking gun all the time. “Don’t need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows”
I keep wavering about if/what JS knew. This interview was eye opening. I agree with you, Gray, about how predators manipulate and groom their victims. This is the one interview that I heard JS have some emotion, and I feel she had been groomed herself. My heart breaks for Maddie and what she had to live through.
You still think that mom did not know?! 🤦🏽♀️… if after this interview you still think that she was not part of all this. She was basically working for him and his SA desires to her daughter.
I’m one of the crazies that leans on the side of Jenn may have known more than she admits, but as far as the whole “risk it” text goes, my immediate thought the 1st time I heard it, was going back to when Jenn said if she took her meds and didn’t go to sleep shortly afterward that she wouldn’t be able to sleep and they wouldn’t work properly. So in Jenn’s defense I guess, it could have been as simple as just venting saying that’s it, Maddie’s not sleeping with me anymore, she was kicking or talking or whatever and I wasn’t able to get any sleep last night and I can’t risk my bipolar meds not working the next day. But who knows 🤷♀️ could be something, could be nothing.
Oh, that actually makes sense. She meant that she couldn’t risk the danger to herself by not getting “good sleep”, not that she couldn’t risk having something bad happening to Maddie. I’ve been thinking all night about what that text could have meant.
@@MKUltra42 honestly it was the 1st thing that popped in my head and I haven’t been able to make any other theory work since. Everything else I come up with would only partially fit. I’m sure we’ll learn more than we would ever wanna hear after the cellebrite reports come out.
Either one of those 2 could've stolen her Christmas money. I believe there's more drug use going on besides prescription. And if Jen is "ok" with the thought that sterns could steal like that says alot
That statement that she could no longer risk it is highly suspicious and I think Jenn knew exactly what it was referring to. I can't think of any reasonable explanation for why a mother would say she could no longer risk it by having her daughter sleep with her. Risk means a situation with exposure to danger and what other situation could that be in a bed? Maddie wasn't an infant who Jenn could roll over on and suffocate. What other dangers were in that bed other than Sterns?
I’ve changed my mind about JS after listening to her talk about how concerned; almost hyper vigilance, about “what could happen” if Maddie went to sleep overs makes me wonder if this is something SS used her fear as a tactic ie…we are the only safe ones, we need to protect Maddy, just the three of us, you can’t trust anyone but me. This guy had her so bamboozeled.
I don’t believe her much when she said this. Maybe it’s true or maybe she’s now pushing this narrative. However, after listening to this audio for the 20th time. I kinda wonder if she was just simply manipulated by sterns. Definitely seems like that’s what’s going on here. Or she’s just as involved
Gray- I’m sorry… but you sound pretty upset on here. Dunno if that’s productive to your channel. :( I want your channel to be successful. I’m a fairly new subscriber- and enjoy your content for the most part, just not when you say things like “I’m just spinning my wheels,” because not enough people are watching or contributing to your live.
Thanks Gray, other people are charging, for this video. This video summarizes all the events that happened that night and Jenn DID NOT have knowledge and this video proves it
We need context for Maddies no longer sleeping with me. Cops do that. It could mean so much. See how police just move on? It's just a trap to see if she had any inclination of what was happening
The way Jen muttered a remark that her sister occasionally stays in # 4 demonstrates a strategic attempt to pepper this terrifying crisis with round about, vague and limited comments. To choose words that paint a picture of a stable and united front (with SS and her family) for LE , so quick + smoothly, (in the first 24 hours) is concerning, IMHO. She’d have experienced loud alarm bells + terrible intrusive thoughts regarding SS by 4pm that afternoon, and yet she double down committed to portraying a solid + strong relationship with him,,,why?
"We give her her meds." Yeah, it takes two people, mom and boyfriend to give a pre-teen her pills. Hmmm. What I find interesting that they had already had one scare where she had to call poison control because the girl wouldn't wake up, and even with that she seems okay with SS giving her an extra dose of sleeping meds.
She talks about having Stephan babysit as if shes a little kid. Shes a teen, living in a household w other females that apoarently had a good & clise relationship w her.
I totally agree people like that pick there victims , groom them het them feeling safe , make you think everyone else you have to watch but not my partner , she didn’t know she was a victim too!
How would Jen not know if Maddy had a tear.??? She did say tjat theres a lot of dr documentation. Feels like Theres lots of opportunity to question Jen on this issue.
Maddie’s blue dress from party was in room 4 in other police photos. Maddie got home at 8:45, already showered, and her party dress was in room 4?!?! I wonder what ST did to her before mom even came home or was she still wearing dress when Jen came home and thats why she can’t recall pjs her daughter had on last time she EVER saw her
That's incorrect. Her blue dress she wore at the party was on the bottom of a laundry basket in Maddie's partitioned "bedroom." You can see it underneath her new Lilo & Stitch pajama set and a pair of Stephan's blue plaid boxers. The blue garment in room 4 may have been mistaken for the light blue collared button down seen on the dresser next to the backpack.
As for evidence she knew, this was going on for at least FIVE YEARS starting at age 8. There’s no way she didn’t know. There are also documented photos ALL OVER that house, 1700+ photos. She lies and says they only slept together a couple times? And she didn’t feel good about it? She took her to the doctor over the rectal issues! She’s at minimum willfully ignored this. There are fluids, smells, sounds, moods….. Maddie was too young.
IMO, debates , pondering these crisis and alternate perspectives is healthy. It leads to growth. I appreciate you unafraid to call it as you see it. Interestingly, it’s your view that ultimately comes out on top, time and again, boom ,haha, jk. Despite my mental tally system, you’re still ‘so mean, Gray’ , just sometimes. Then again, that’s good 👍✌️
@@beanj580 it would be from being charged with anything related to her death. But I don't think its true. It was only that 1 interview that was off the record.
1:51:11 I don’t agree with you regarding Jen Soto. Either way I love your channel and I appreciate your content. It’s not going to stop me from watching your content, respecting your opinion or sending a super chat.
The people who listen have drawn their own conclusions according to all of her inconsistent statements and actions. You do not have to tell people how to think and feel. Our conclusions are as valid as yours.
S did that around 8:15 after he returned to "get the remote" ...so Maddy would still be in the front seat of his car. He didn't want to chance JS going out with dog and seeing Maddy.
I'm too late to the party for the chat. I'm in your camp regarding Jenn S. Her choices are questionable and sometimes downright wrong but so far nothing points to her having outright knowledge of what was going on or being in on the murder. As flawed humans, we tend to dismiss the instinct that something is wrong and believe what we want to see.
I think people want to assume that she knew what was going on because it protects their own sense of security of thinking that this could never happen to their child. She did a lot wrong that put her child in danger. But people want to assume that they would just know that this was going on and therefore could prevent it. We have to be super vigilant as parents.
Lady needs charged as well doesnt like sleepovers because what may happen but its ok to go night night with Mr Tiger King Rico Sauve Steffypoo awe he wouldnt steal the money,reset his phone,leave phones home and drug Maddy. This mom is sick and anybody guarding her needs help.
I wonder if stephen and her talked about Maddie not getting her period maybe she is pregnant... And stephan tried to reassure her that wasn't the case ..and then she said Maddie no longer sleeps with me I can't risk it (it meaning I can't risk thinking like that, thinking like Maddie is innocent)
@32:48 in the police photos there were these things that looked like leashes hanging from the head rest of the car seat…. I’m thinking he used those to secure her in an upright position maybe?
That was Sterns parents car and it was the "poodle ambulance". His mother breeds poodles. It was used to take around the dogs. That is why you see leashes.
Only a woman would get this much benefit of the doubt that Jen has imo. If a mother allows or knows about such atrocities, she’s been groomed. It’s a double standard imo.
I disagree, I very well could be wrong though. Can you please share statistics regarding double standards and only women getting the benefit of the doubt? Please link your findings. Thank you.
@@Sarahjane_Stevie_NicksVersion well. Anyone who’s ever dealt with custody issues can tell you this. Also. Wisconsin has over 20 male prisons. 1 female. Unless you think men commit 20x the crime 😂
@@IvanVikktor715 I’m asking for statistics. Your personal experience and comparison with custody doesn’t seem to fit in this case of csam, murder, and grooming. I certainly hope it doesn’t. Please link factual information.
@@Sarahjane_Stevie_NicksVersion what statistics measure “benefit of the doubt” lmao. The phrase itself is literally implying a non quantifiable tendency. And they aren’t my custody issues. I know real humans. Every honest person knows the system favors women. You think there’s some database measuring “benefit of the doubt given” 😂. You deduce the tendency based off other factors such as those I listed. You must know that. Come on. Be serious.
I think, and it's only a thought, about the text message where she said she is no longer sleeping with her... she is a bisexual and had been with women in the past. Perhaps that comment was about a sexual partner??
One generation back, when 7 children was the norm, (and not the current 2.2) households were filled to the brim with kids/ cousins /friends, all sleeping intermingled, in close quarters. I think bad creeping, sneaking, peeping, and even touching was a common, rampant occurrence. I can’t say for sure, or cite statistics, but think it true.
W whole lot of homes these days are multi family. My son goes to his friends and I remember 1 had 5 families!!! That was the largest. Usually it is 3 living together. They do not have their own beds or rooms. Families sleep together and this includes the girls. Do people really not know this is going on?? Come on!
Much appreciated! I agree with you, people jump to conclusions and automatically run with pitchforks and torches regarding Jen Soto. As new information is released, it’s very concerning but we need all of the facts and information before judgment. I agree with what you’ve been saying, a pEDo monster has skills. Not only grooming the child but also the parent and when medication is involved, I challenge anyone to take a deep dive into these prescriptions. Much appreciated Gray! Sorry I’m not able to be around lately but I very much appreciate you!
I think it’s very possible that Jenn never saw Maddie that night. Sterns was there by 9p.m., Maddie could have taken a shower, changed and got her Double Dose of sleeping pills well before 10 p.m. He might have come downstairs to talk to Jenn but Maddie was likely knocked out. Sunday night is the first time Maddie had been home since Wednesday. When asked “When was the last time you saw your daughter” Jenn initially answered “Wednesday night” but quickly changed it to Sunday night. Maddie had a panic attack on Saturday when Jenn’s mother tried to bring her home so she stayed that extra night with grandma. Maybe it’s just me but this video on top of having followed this case closely really hit me in the gut. I believe it’s possible that Jenn knew about all of it. The years of giving Maddie to Sterns for S/A, and how and when Maddie died that night. I hope my hunches are wrong, and they very well could be but after hearing the made-up BS in this audio I got a very bad feeling. Regardless, until a trial and conviction(s), Rest in Peace Madeline. I wish in your confusing and lonely moments you could have known how many people did care about your well-being and would have helped you 🙏🕊️
I’m starting to think that she didn’t see her that night either. The way she said that Maddie was so happy about her party and about all the money that she got contradicts the police reports with interviews with her friends who were at the party. They said that Maddie was really upset at first. She was upset that not many friends came and a lot of people who did come didn’t bring her presents. She was especially upset that she didn’t get the money she usually gets for her birthday, and that her mom didn’t give her ANY money.
She said maddies no longer sleeping with me, i cant risk it. My guess is because she said maddie tossed and turned and impacted her sleep. Jenn started a new job so wondering if thats what she meant
@@NN-sj5uvmy 9 year old sleeps with me in a king size bed and I swear I am literally on the edge of the bed because of him. It's awful but I deal with it. It 100 percent impacts my sleep
I do not think she's guilty of anything. It's a strange interview...seems like she lawyered up ...as she should have....and were given like 1 hour by her lawyer with this derivative use immunity. But they ask her nothing about the sexual assault photos. As a detective I would want to ask where do you think you were when this happened , did you notice any behaviorial changes, sexual charged language suddenly. Idk. Maybe there are a lot of interviews between when he was arrested and this April interview and these are just clarifying questions. Seemed more about clarifying thongs found on her phone. He also seemed to not want her to trip herself up. He'd ask the question another way. Idk. It was interesting. It does seem like she must have been pregnant the way they asked and the way she answered. But others have said hed have been charged with double homicide on Florida. They dont have to charge all at once though??? Or maybe just establishing motive that he may have thought she might be. The only thing that makes me wonder is the "I can't risk it" statement about no longer allowing her to sleep in her bed. I'd want to see the context of that statement. All the rest of the texts in that conversation. Also interesting he asks and moves on. Like he doesn't want her to to answer in this immunity interview. He cant use what she says against her so he doesn't want her to say something he wants to use. But in the end I do not see anything in this that makes her any more guilty of anything. I still feel like she didnt know.
So she has immunity from what she has said before this interview and everything in this interview - but no immunity going forward? If she doesn't have immunity going forward I hope they've bugged her house, car and phone.
They asked specifically to think about how many times Maddie slept with him alone because they had the data…. & Jen is innocent in all of this. There is something wrong with you. I’m done now.🙄
You're not wrong about predators looking for these types of mothers BUT also these types of mothers are the ones to turn a blind eye. Maybe not explicitly knowing but being too desperate and apathetic to ignore a gut feeling, ignore signs, choose to live in lala land because the other option is too hard to deal with
I actually appreciate your take on coercive control. It matters. PS we couldn’t see any photos cos you had the super chat comments over the screen and it blocked all images.
One of Maddie’s crocs was found with the garbage and the other in Jenn’s room. Jenn seems to have little memory of things Stephen/Maddie do but has no problem remembering insignificant things! Jenn is blinded by this man-child he offers nothing other than being an on call baby sitter.
I initially felt JS was groomed over years, too, but eventually jumped on the bandwagon of suspicious rage, clamoring for charges…but I’m thinking Jen wallowed in Denial, a necessary defense mechanism at times, but also an elixir of ignorant bliss , to avoid hard truths + facts.
Yes, the poor little girl having hour long showers to scrub herself clean from his grossness😟
There is nothing normal about mama Shrek
lol
WHY IN THE HELL WOULD HE BE ADMINISTERING ANYTHING TO MADDIE??
To feel important, he pouts to be tasked and trusted with it. Just as he supervises/manages his feeble, very old, hard of hearing parent’s and their many dogs, he must manage something for poor, lonely Jen and vulnerable Madeline, too. Infuriating AF
SS piping up about his folks currently facing + navigating their important, end of life directives is a pretty eerie, off the wall comment to throw out.
SS awarded a task as big as medication administration is him weaseling his way slowly in deeper, to gain unfettered access to every component, personal aspect in their lives.
Sorry to rant …just venting on how /why this whole sordid situation unfolded…and why Jen called him that night after so long apart, it just gets me..
@@slwtgf right? Was he planning on offing them too? They hardly look like they are so feeble that they are making end of life plans😳🤦♀️
This guy questioning her is excellent 👏
One thing about jury duty selection recently, I got myself excused because of time restrictions etc but they show a video about who should or should not be a juror. It’s pretty informative and I wish people could understand that making snap judgments about something is not only unreasonable but unfair. Facts matter, not emotions or feelings. Be safe out there
Your statement is called a cop out.
Listening at 1:30:57 when they are discussing the period products. Stern's parents said that he was highly anxious on Saturday after speaking to Madeline and was looking for meds. I'm now wondering if she told him that she missed her period. Such a scare would trigger him big time.
She’s so nonchalant! Just strange…..I would be a FK mess!
She did clearly get emotional several times. This is also months later
Seems Jen doesn't remember alot about things when it came to Maddie
MD here. Very concerning that Maddie supposedly had rectal bleeding and constipation at her age. Jenn just opted to give her daughter miralax regularly without a doctors instruction. It's an over the counter medication but explicitly states if using over a few days or having red flag sx described by Maddie, take your kiddo to the doctor! There are very serious medical conditions that present in this way. Universally patients of all ages call or come in if there is a spec of blood on coming from their anus the first time. Why was she self treating Maddie for so long? Very dangerous to use this medication long term without guidance
Many kids with ADHD deal with chronic constipation. Miralax is the go to medication pediatricians prescribe. Also not being unkind but did you listen to the audio? She literally says she had series of testing related to constipation. It was most likely recommended by doc. Lastly my son who is both ADHD and ASD deals with chronic constipation. He's been on Miralax since age 4, and is 9 in a few days. Unfortunately its very common
Also my son deals with rectal bleeding. It's a side effect of constipation
You're not an MD for kids I assume? I've called my sons doctor multiple times for rectal bleeding and was assured it's nothing to worry about unless it's not stopping and not bright red in color. We even see urology regularly because he has urinary frequency as a direct result of constipation. Doctors all assure you that miralax is safely used long term with children.
@@beanj580 not always that's why you need a medical professional to determine constipation is the only cause
@@beanj580 key word "you called the doctor". Jen stated she never did.
She knows what color shirt he has on but can’t recall her daughter’s clothes before bedtime in last time she ever saw her alive
It was just another night. She didn't know to pay attention because this would be the last time she would see her.
@@MM-ik7csthis is incorrect, because tons of LE and analysts say your memory of that last day is detailed and vivid.
@@HiroForever And we are all the same? This is 100% for everyone. Really????
I just saw my daughter an hour ago and couldn’t tell you what she is wearing. the information they need to process her or not accordingly.
@@ltepezano This interview was 2 months AFTER her going missing. LOL
"Shes no longer sleeping w me, i cant risk it!" .... Jen just said that Maddy ALWAYS slept w her so once again she is LYING!
JS stated she had been seeing others in this interview so I wonder if she had new guys over and didn't want Maddy with her? I'm surprised the officers didn't inquire if the new guys slept over. Just wondering what could she have meant.
And why was she monitoring her 12-13 yr old daughters period??? What did she know?
Jen also said she slept with her grandmother, still lying? Hardly, it’s a generalisation. Also, saying she wasn’t going to be doing something is not the same as actually doing it. I could tell you that I’m not going to eat chocolate again because it gives me a headache, but I probably will! Context is needed for the text message, she could have been referring to her bpd meds not working, she’d already said she needed to get to sleep quickly or she couldn’t sleep at all once she’d taken them, but I’m guessing, without context it makes no sense.
@@glamisgirl309i wouldn’t but i know alot of mothers that do
Why are you saying JS lied about maddie sleeping with her grandmother? Based on what?
@@glamisgirl309 I monitored my daughters cycle because 1) it would let me know why she was moody, 2) it wasn’t always regular in the first few years and 3) it’s good practice to teach young girls that they should track it.
Idk man something is not right with JS… zero tears or emotion shown, during any of it. Seeing photos of SS , junk in her child’s mouth and that wasn’t a concern for her, telling the detectives, that the “sex” stuff wasn’t evil… as a mother, she missed every sign, all the signs, smacking her in her face and she chose to look away. If your almost 13 yr old daughter, does not want to sleep alone, there’s a reason.. you don’t send her to a room with extra locks, sex toys and lube, to sleep with your ex boyfriend- your don’t call the father of the guy arrested for the sexual assault and murder of your only child, and tell him to get him a lawyer/ why on earth would you be defending him?!? With thousands of photos as evidence, she still defends him. Sterns own parents know he is sick and twisted and have done more to help the investigation, then JS has. Every time she talks with cops, it is a different story. I believe 💯, charges will be brought against her.
@@katiefalk7720 absolutely! She knew SS had kinks and she still sent Madeline to bed with him. 💔
As far as that sex stuff not being evil, that was from the documents and is only a "summary". We do not have transcripts, video or audio to hear the whole conversation. This is a fact and you can see that for yourself in the documents. We are lacking context. Jumping to conclusions with only a few sentences in an entire interview is not seeking truth.
Even Stephan Sterns own father told LE how shocked he was at the text Jenn sent him telling him to get Stephan a lawyer NOW. He said he expected Jenn to freak out on him or even attack him when he gave her a ride home from the police station but instead they both got food from Wawa and she just carried on normal conversation with him.
@@MM-ik7csI get what you’re saying- but your defense of this person is kind of insane tbh. Like… clearly she’s a fkd up mother- period point blank. She didn’t expect everything to come to this, but oddly this drama is probably making her life entertaining to herself. What kind of life was she living? One she probably didn’t care for anyway and didn’t see a light- so her daughter’s life was sadly a casualty to her. Like she needed to create this huge soap opera to make her life interesting or something.
@@KarinaRain Where did I defend her?
Also... her friend said she didn't get her period in January. The police officer is saying that she possibly didn't get her period in February. Why are they even talking about periods if she wasn't pregnant - it wouldn't even be a topic of conversation.
@@simonelcross I think they're still withholding that info, for investigative reasons and that more crimes will be added later to the list
The investigators word questions in a way so to guage the person's reaction.
Sometimes people need to hear something specific to believe a mother knew… but the mere fact that she doesn’t consider SA of a child as evil… well I guess she could just looked the other way. Maybe it is not common knowledge but it’s often the case in these horrific situations. Mothers have more support for the perpetrators than the child victim.
Where are people coming up with this?
@@beanj580it’s in LE interview. She literally said the ‘secks stuff is not evil!’
@@beanj580 a report by LE March 1st
During the interview, Jennifer Soto continuously protected Stephan Sterns, was questioned about why she prioritizes Stephan Sterns over (Madeline), and even at one point referred to the ‘sex stuff as not evil but the murder of (Madeline) as ‘evil,” the report says.
The document is only a summary. It even says it's a summary. They put 2 or 3 sentences of a whole conversation in that summary. We need to hear the whole conversation to know the context. To judge on that, when much is left out is just irresponsible and incomplete.
Weird! I never tracked my daughters monthly I just bought her feminine products when she asked me to.
Where is the grieving mother seeking justice for her murdered child….??????
She knows lots of details about Stephan. She conveniently forgets many of her last moments Maddie. I don’t need a smoking gun all the time.
“Don’t need to be a weatherman to see which way the wind blows”
lol
Hi 👋 Just wanted to say thank you for Splitting the costs of all this new information. The public appreciates it. I appreciate it. Thank you sir.
I wish she would have taken a polygraph test.
She was on too many drugs to be able to take one.
That makes sense @@MKUltra42
I think she meant to type “Mandy’s no longer sleeping with YOU I can’t risk it”
That might be correct. I think she knew. Madeline did not wash her own clothes since she was 8 years old.
I agree, now there is more information it’s all getting clearer
I wonder what his reply text was...? Would be interesting to know.
I keep wavering about if/what JS knew. This interview was eye opening. I agree with you, Gray, about how predators manipulate and groom their victims. This is the one interview that I heard JS have some emotion, and I feel she had been groomed herself. My heart breaks for Maddie and what she had to live through.
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How was she given a plea deal? They had enough on the POS! Epic fail!
This is NOT a plea deal.
What plea deal?
You still think that mom did not know?! 🤦🏽♀️… if after this interview you still think that she was not part of all this. She was basically working for him and his SA desires to her daughter.
I feel like they asked what she ate last to see what was in her stomach when she passed :(
Can I just say A lot of us don’t have spare $$ , I’ve never been able to send anyone a superchat as much as I’d love to
No problem. I am really just asking those that can afford, to do so if they feel like it.
I’m one of the crazies that leans on the side of Jenn may have known more than she admits, but as far as the whole “risk it” text goes, my immediate thought the 1st time I heard it, was going back to when Jenn said if she took her meds and didn’t go to sleep shortly afterward that she wouldn’t be able to sleep and they wouldn’t work properly. So in Jenn’s defense I guess, it could have been as simple as just venting saying that’s it, Maddie’s not sleeping with me anymore, she was kicking or talking or whatever and I wasn’t able to get any sleep last night and I can’t risk my bipolar meds not working the next day. But who knows 🤷♀️ could be something, could be nothing.
Oh, that actually makes sense. She meant that she couldn’t risk the danger to herself by not getting “good sleep”, not that she couldn’t risk having something bad happening to Maddie.
I’ve been thinking all night about what that text could have meant.
@@MKUltra42 honestly it was the 1st thing that popped in my head and I haven’t been able to make any other theory work since. Everything else I come up with would only partially fit. I’m sure we’ll learn more than we would ever wanna hear after the cellebrite reports come out.
Either one of those 2 could've stolen her Christmas money. I believe there's more drug use going on besides prescription. And if Jen is "ok" with the thought that sterns could steal like that says alot
That statement that she could no longer risk it is highly suspicious and I think Jenn knew exactly what it was referring to. I can't think of any reasonable explanation for why a mother would say she could no longer risk it by having her daughter sleep with her. Risk means a situation with exposure to danger and what other situation could that be in a bed? Maddie wasn't an infant who Jenn could roll over on and suffocate. What other dangers were in that bed other than Sterns?
I’ve changed my mind about JS after listening to her talk about how concerned; almost hyper vigilance, about “what could happen” if Maddie went to sleep overs makes me wonder if this is something SS used her fear as a tactic ie…we are the only safe ones, we need to protect Maddy, just the three of us, you can’t trust anyone but me. This guy had her so bamboozeled.
interesting
I don’t believe her much when she said this. Maybe it’s true or maybe she’s now pushing this narrative. However, after listening to this audio for the 20th time. I kinda wonder if she was just simply manipulated by sterns. Definitely seems like that’s what’s going on here. Or she’s just as involved
Gray- I’m sorry… but you sound pretty upset on here. Dunno if that’s productive to your channel. :( I want your channel to be successful. I’m a fairly new subscriber- and enjoy your content for the most part, just not when you say things like “I’m just spinning my wheels,” because not enough people are watching or contributing to your live.
Thanks Gray, other people are charging, for this video. This video summarizes all the events that happened that night and Jenn DID NOT have knowledge and this video proves it
They didn't do this interview just to appease us .
Why aren’t they showing video footage of her interviews? i want to watch and not just hear audio.
I'm not sure that video footage was available until now. I could be wrong but that's the impression I'm getting with this channel and others.
been some of those interviews might have been done in other places where they didn't tape them.
We need context for Maddies no longer sleeping with me. Cops do that. It could mean so much. See how police just move on? It's just a trap to see if she had any inclination of what was happening
I agree. It sounds to me these detectives forced Soto to have to lie many times.
Agreed. We need context.
@@lisasmith7066and that warning about them already knowing what’s on her phone. They have HIS phone too. No matter what they know the full exchanges.
No emotion at all when talking about her deceased daughter. I would be emotional. 🚩🚩🚩🚩
In the beginning the investigators said they knew she was upset.
She literally cried twice in this video
I heard her cry.
@@beanj580 Yes.
The way Jen muttered a remark that her sister occasionally stays in # 4 demonstrates a strategic attempt to pepper this terrifying crisis with round about, vague and limited comments. To choose words that paint a picture of a stable and united front (with SS and her family) for LE , so quick + smoothly, (in the first 24 hours) is concerning, IMHO. She’d have experienced loud alarm bells + terrible intrusive thoughts regarding SS by 4pm that afternoon, and yet she double down committed to portraying a solid + strong relationship with him,,,why?
"We give her her meds." Yeah, it takes two people, mom and boyfriend to give a pre-teen her pills. Hmmm. What I find interesting that they had already had one scare where she had to call poison control because the girl wouldn't wake up, and even with that she seems okay with SS giving her an extra dose of sleeping meds.
She seems to have ZERO memory of her daughter
She talks about having Stephan babysit as if shes a little kid. Shes a teen, living in a household w other females that apoarently had a good & clise relationship w her.
They are just renting a room.
@@MM-ik7csBut they were family friends.
As always, Blue and Chloe are sooooo cute!!! And I appreciate all you do, Gray!!!
I totally agree people like that pick there victims , groom them het them feeling safe , make you think everyone else you have to watch but not my partner , she didn’t know she was a victim too!
How would Jen not know if Maddy had a tear.??? She did say tjat theres a lot of dr documentation. Feels like Theres lots of opportunity to question Jen on this issue.
So all 3 live in 1 bedroom ....when does she (Jen) have intimate relations w Stephan if Maddy is always there?
Hi Gray! Heard about you on Plunder. Thank you for all your hard work. Love your fur babies.
Maddie’s blue dress from party was in room 4 in other police photos. Maddie got home at 8:45, already showered, and her party dress was in room 4?!?! I wonder what ST did to her before mom even came home or was she still wearing dress when Jen came home and thats why she can’t recall pjs her daughter had on last time she EVER saw her
Good catch regarding the dress!
That's incorrect. Her blue dress she wore at the party was on the bottom of a laundry basket in Maddie's partitioned "bedroom." You can see it underneath her new Lilo & Stitch pajama set and a pair of Stephan's blue plaid boxers.
The blue garment in room 4 may have been mistaken for the light blue collared button down seen on the dresser next to the backpack.
She's stoned ofcourse she can't remember.
I’m new to the channel-sent by S-Eyes. Thank you.
Why was she giggling when she said her daughter didn’t have to take a laxative because she was staying at her grandmothers 😡
She wasn't
As for evidence she knew, this was going on for at least FIVE YEARS starting at age 8. There’s no way she didn’t know. There are also documented photos ALL OVER that house, 1700+ photos. She lies and says they only slept together a couple times? And she didn’t feel good about it?
She took her to the doctor over the rectal issues!
She’s at minimum willfully ignored this.
There are fluids, smells, sounds, moods….. Maddie was too young.
My parents didn't know and he lived with us. Went on for 1 year less than Maddie. It was not due to them not being alert. There were just no clues.
IMO, debates , pondering these crisis and alternate perspectives is healthy. It leads to growth. I appreciate you unafraid to call it as you see it. Interestingly, it’s your view that ultimately comes out on top, time and again, boom ,haha, jk. Despite my mental tally system, you’re still ‘so mean, Gray’ , just sometimes. Then again, that’s good 👍✌️
I know, I know. I am sorry.
@@GrayHughesInvestigateswell I’m here for it 😂 thank you so very much for getting these audios. I look forward to more to come
Gray people are saying she has immunity now? NOT true
Isn't the immunity for just this interview and all interviews before it?
But no immunity going forward?
Immunity from what? Police cleared her
@@beanj580cleared and immunity is not the same thing
@@The80sKidRoxI know what immunity means. What are they offering her immunity from?
@@beanj580 it would be from being charged with anything related to her death. But I don't think its true. It was only that 1 interview that was off the record.
I’m wondering if she was alive when Jenn got home
Likely, but we just don't know
Thanks for this! Money spent well.
1:51:11 I don’t agree with you regarding Jen Soto. Either way I love your channel and I appreciate your content. It’s not going to stop me from watching your content, respecting your opinion or sending a super chat.
Well, thank you!..you are rare
@@GrayHughesInvestigates you are welcome and thank you.
The people who listen have drawn their own conclusions according to all of her inconsistent statements and actions. You do not have to tell people how to think and feel. Our conclusions are as valid as yours.
double dosed hydroxyzine, what is this on the medical marijuana pill or thc pill ? OMG that poor girl
Hydroxazine was prescribed to me for sleep.
Wow, thank you sharing this. I just can't believe it 😢
The leash question is to establish a break in his usual routine. He didn’t want her to get up and notice Maddie was missing….
S did that around 8:15 after he returned to "get the remote" ...so Maddy would still be in the front seat of his car. He didn't want to chance JS going out with dog and seeing Maddy.
Good thought glamisgirl
I don’t think she noticed much of anything. Willfully.
She lied about the phone, he was using it at her mothers office and the apple watch claim would be easy to verify based on pictures and data
I'm too late to the party for the chat. I'm in your camp regarding Jenn S. Her choices are questionable and sometimes downright wrong but so far nothing points to her having outright knowledge of what was going on or being in on the murder. As flawed humans, we tend to dismiss the instinct that something is wrong and believe what we want to see.
Replay gang gang ❤️😊☘️
I think people want to assume that she knew what was going on because it protects their own sense of security of thinking that this could never happen to their child. She did a lot wrong that put her child in danger. But people want to assume that they would just know that this was going on and therefore could prevent it. We have to be super vigilant as parents.
No I think when she said she sent them to bed it creeps people out
Possibly. I think it is just hate.
@@MM-ik7cs I think it's Maddie being abused for so long
Lady needs charged as well doesnt like sleepovers because what may happen but its ok to go night night with Mr Tiger King Rico Sauve Steffypoo awe he wouldnt steal the money,reset his phone,leave phones home and drug Maddy. This mom is sick and anybody guarding her needs help.
😮 is she continuing to obstruct justice ⁉️
Maddie now longer sleeps with me , I can't risk it ?
I wonder if stephen and her talked about Maddie not getting her period maybe she is pregnant... And stephan tried to reassure her that wasn't the case ..and then she said Maddie no longer sleeps with me I can't risk it (it meaning I can't risk thinking like that, thinking like Maddie is innocent)
The way the media is placing this out, it’s a lifetime movie… 1:25:20 what the entire heck???
Good questionnaire trying to trick her hopefully rip Maddie❤
@32:48 in the police photos there were these things that looked like leashes hanging from the head rest of the car seat…. I’m thinking he used those to secure her in an upright position maybe?
That was Sterns parents car and it was the "poodle ambulance". His mother breeds poodles. It was used to take around the dogs. That is why you see leashes.
@@MM-ik7cs oh, ok. Thanks for clarifying, I had no idea. That weird picture just came to my mind...
Omitted her favorite pillow the one Stephan offered to the blood hound and Jen shushed him and said he laid on it in AM
Only a woman would get this much benefit of the doubt that Jen has imo.
If a mother allows or knows about such atrocities, she’s been groomed.
It’s a double standard imo.
@@LoveFlowers1 if Jen Soto was ‘Jeremy Soto’, they’d have been arrested weeks ago and had Dateline type exposé’s done
I disagree, I very well could be wrong though. Can you please share statistics regarding double standards and only women getting the benefit of the doubt? Please link your findings. Thank you.
@@Sarahjane_Stevie_NicksVersion well. Anyone who’s ever dealt with custody issues can tell you this.
Also. Wisconsin has over 20 male prisons. 1 female.
Unless you think men commit 20x the crime 😂
@@IvanVikktor715 I’m asking for statistics. Your personal experience and comparison with custody doesn’t seem to fit in this case of csam, murder, and grooming. I certainly hope it doesn’t. Please link factual information.
@@Sarahjane_Stevie_NicksVersion what statistics measure “benefit of the doubt” lmao. The phrase itself is literally implying a non quantifiable tendency. And they aren’t my custody issues. I know real humans. Every honest person knows the system favors women.
You think there’s some database measuring “benefit of the doubt given” 😂. You deduce the tendency based off other factors such as those I listed. You must know that. Come on. Be serious.
I think, and it's only a thought, about the text message where she said she is no longer sleeping with her... she is a bisexual and had been with women in the past. Perhaps that comment was about a sexual partner??
I caught this on replay; appreciate the work and professionalism you put into everything.
I heard the dog leash was in photos of the front seat of Stephen's car...
Perhaps it was auto correct and she meant to type ' maddie is no longer sleeping with 'you', I can't risk it' ??
This is what i thought too at first. Would make a lot more sense. But doubtful. Txt is weird tho. Could be something or nothing at all 🤷♀️
One generation back, when 7 children was the norm, (and not the current 2.2) households were filled to the brim with kids/ cousins /friends, all sleeping intermingled, in close quarters. I think bad creeping, sneaking, peeping, and even touching was a common, rampant occurrence. I can’t say for sure, or cite statistics, but think it true.
W whole lot of homes these days are multi family. My son goes to his friends and I remember 1 had 5 families!!! That was the largest. Usually it is 3 living together. They do not have their own beds or rooms. Families sleep together and this includes the girls. Do people really not know this is going on?? Come on!
1:26:44 maybe Maddie witnessing Jen/Steph doing something? Maybe risking Jen being aware of touching when they are all there. 2 theories for me…
Much appreciated! I agree with you, people jump to conclusions and automatically run with pitchforks and torches regarding Jen Soto. As new information is released, it’s very concerning but we need all of the facts and information before judgment. I agree with what you’ve been saying, a pEDo monster has skills. Not only grooming the child but also the parent and when medication is involved, I challenge anyone to take a deep dive into these prescriptions. Much appreciated Gray! Sorry I’m not able to be around lately but I very much appreciate you!
Well I'm in the UK. So it was 2. 40am😂
I think it’s very possible that Jenn never saw Maddie that night. Sterns was there by 9p.m., Maddie could have taken a shower, changed and got her Double Dose of sleeping pills well before 10 p.m. He might have come downstairs to talk to Jenn but Maddie was likely knocked out. Sunday night is the first time Maddie had been home since Wednesday. When asked “When was the last time you saw your daughter” Jenn initially answered “Wednesday night” but quickly changed it to Sunday night. Maddie had a panic attack on Saturday when Jenn’s mother tried to bring her home so she stayed that extra night with grandma. Maybe it’s just me but this video on top of having followed this case closely really hit me in the gut. I believe it’s possible that Jenn knew about all of it. The years of giving Maddie to Sterns for S/A, and how and when Maddie died that night. I hope my hunches are wrong, and they very well could be but after hearing the made-up BS in this audio I got a very bad feeling. Regardless, until a trial and conviction(s), Rest in Peace Madeline. I wish in your confusing and lonely moments you could have known how many people did care about your well-being and would have helped you 🙏🕊️
I’m starting to think that she didn’t see her that night either. The way she said that Maddie was so happy about her party and about all the money that she got contradicts the police reports with interviews with her friends who were at the party. They said that Maddie was really upset at first. She was upset that not many friends came and a lot of people who did come didn’t bring her presents. She was especially upset that she didn’t get the money she usually gets for her birthday, and that her mom didn’t give her ANY money.
1:51:13 she just lied I think…she said that she usually sleeps throughout the night earlier, but now she get up at 4 to reset UA-cam 🧐
The cop slipped about yhe THC
Amazing info, thank you!
You mentioned the low ears….what does that say about ‘Dopey’ from the 7 dwarves?
Thanks, Gray!
thank you so much
Cute dog's ❤
She said maddies no longer sleeping with me, i cant risk it. My guess is because she said maddie tossed and turned and impacted her sleep. Jenn started a new job so wondering if thats what she meant
The thing us that she sleeps in a king sized bed! But ok give her the benefit of the doubt, Maddy had her bed just outside of Jens room.
Lol. Bawaa 😊
oh...and interesting thought. It's as plausible as any of the nefarious reasons
@@GrayHughesInvestigates lol
@@NN-sj5uvmy 9 year old sleeps with me in a king size bed and I swear I am literally on the edge of the bed because of him. It's awful but I deal with it. It 100 percent impacts my sleep
Jen Soto is so ANNOYING
Maybe he was asking about getting a male room mate so maybe she didn't feel it was safe to have her sleeping on her own.
She made a deal and prb has some type of immunity...
she made a deal? ???
There is literally not one shred of evidence to support that. Also a deal would involve her still being imprisoned. Lol.
The state of Florida would have her ass in jail had she known or participated. Stop spreading lies please
I do not think she's guilty of anything. It's a strange interview...seems like she lawyered up ...as she should have....and were given like 1 hour by her lawyer with this derivative use immunity. But they ask her nothing about the sexual assault photos. As a detective I would want to ask where do you think you were when this happened , did you notice any behaviorial changes, sexual charged language suddenly. Idk. Maybe there are a lot of interviews between when he was arrested and this April interview and these are just clarifying questions. Seemed more about clarifying thongs found on her phone. He also seemed to not want her to trip herself up. He'd ask the question another way. Idk. It was interesting. It does seem like she must have been pregnant the way they asked and the way she answered. But others have said hed have been charged with double homicide on Florida. They dont have to charge all at once though??? Or maybe just establishing motive that he may have thought she might be. The only thing that makes me wonder is the "I can't risk it" statement about no longer allowing her to sleep in her bed. I'd want to see the context of that statement. All the rest of the texts in that conversation. Also interesting he asks and moves on. Like he doesn't want her to to answer in this immunity interview. He cant use what she says against her so he doesn't want her to say something he wants to use. But in the end I do not see anything in this that makes her any more guilty of anything. I still feel like she didnt know.
So she has immunity from what she has said before this interview and everything in this interview - but no immunity going forward?
If she doesn't have immunity going forward I hope they've bugged her house, car and phone.
They never said she had immunity. What are you talking about? They read her Miranda rights of which they do to anyone they question
They asked specifically to think about how many times Maddie slept with him alone because they had the data…. & Jen is innocent in all of this. There is something wrong with you. I’m done now.🙄
I actually appreciate your take on coercive control. It matters.
You're not wrong about predators looking for these types of mothers BUT also these types of mothers are the ones to turn a blind eye. Maybe not explicitly knowing but being too desperate and apathetic to ignore a gut feeling, ignore signs, choose to live in lala land because the other option is too hard to deal with
I actually appreciate your take on coercive control. It matters. PS we couldn’t see any photos cos you had the super chat comments over the screen and it blocked all images.
Thank you for getting this interview!!
thank you!
Wow! Thank you Gray for sharing❤
One of Maddie’s crocs was found with the garbage and the other in Jenn’s room. Jenn seems to have little memory of things Stephen/Maddie do but has no problem remembering insignificant things! Jenn is blinded by this man-child he offers nothing other than being an on call baby sitter.
I initially felt JS was groomed over years, too, but eventually jumped on the bandwagon of suspicious rage, clamoring for charges…but I’m thinking Jen wallowed in Denial, a necessary defense mechanism at times, but also an elixir of ignorant bliss , to avoid hard truths + facts.
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Thanks Gray! I am still giving Jenn rhe benefit of a doubt about any knowledge . Thanks freaks for your support!