I hate how Sarah Connor is acting all “been-there, done-that” like killing Terminators ain’t nothing but a thang... But in the original Terminator, Kyle Reese was afraid of them, and took them very seriously. And he came from the future where he routinely fought them off.
VOLTEC No its not just about strong women. You had the women fighting along side Arnold. Enough. This movie is not woke like people think. You feel it is. But its actually not. The roles flipped because this film is about two realities! And Sara Conner developed more hatred for the Terminators. Her character stayed true. The SJW is not in this film. Even the border scenes were just situations of what the characters do if they were placed in this situation. They are running away from a Terminator. When Grace opened those cages it was not a political statement. It was a distraction so she could cover herself to protect Danny. Logically anyone would do that if your running away from a killer robot. Lastly you can't say this film is woke. Because they all supoorted second Admendment on the shooting range scene. When Armold says " Welcome to Texas." Lol so get a grip. I liked the movie. I can tell when things are SJW. This wasn't that. Also since Terminator 2. Sara and John always lived by the border. You actually had conservative ideas in this film if you pay attention.
Another thing: Edward Furlong (young John Connor) was taller and obviously stronger in T2 than Natalia Reyes (who's 5'1") is yet he was never portrayed as a match for the T-1000 and never attacked him, while SHE can apparently take on something even more advanced than the T-1k...
“You aren’t important, it’s only the fact that you can reproduce that gives you value” “Oh my god. You DO have value! YOU (woman) are the hero, not some fucking John Conner (man)” Queue feminist points.
@marcus24000 1-2 are great 3 is dreadful Salvation is different Genisys was awful Dark fate is equally awful So basically 9/10 10/10 4/10 6/10 2/10 1/10
1. You were never alive to dead 2. Taxes preserve the perverse natural state of inevitability 3. Societal homogeneity dictates societal decline 4. Once bereaved of totality does the composition achieve finality
It's so easy to just tweak a few things to make this not a complete trainwreck. Even changing some lines to something else could be neat. Like instead of "I'll be back" they could've twisted it to "Stay here if you want to live", making it a play on the "come with me if you want to live" line and therein showing how Sarah is no longer the defensive, but the aggressive element.
ArlanKels even using the “I’ll be back” line at a different point in the film could have work. Like “Sarah no! Don’t go on this really dangerous mission you’re going to die!” *puts on shades* “ don’t worry. I’ll be back.”
@@fmirza01 Yup. Everyone laughs at fans of the franchise for being upset at shitty adaptations/sequels, telling them to not take it so seriously, "it's just a movie"... and then it happens to something they care about and they realize how crap it feels. I never even saw or really liked Transformers and I still thought the fans had a right to be upset.
i get, why this seems to be a rediculous concept.. but actually it is not! it all boils down to the questsion.. WHAT IS AN A.I.?? if it is a real conscious intelligence, with 20 years time to evolve, it is very likeley, that it will develope some kind of personality. we have seen glimpses of it alreaady in "T2" i am programmer by myself, and i know, that we currently have nothing on earth, that comes even close to a real AI. Our software is only faking it, by executing pre-defined solutions to our requests.. a real AI, must be something, that works on its own.. having at least a vague solution for every situation/request (like a human has).. and the terminator movies are ABOUT AN A.I.
@@SmileThePlanet well, you are right. It actually would make sense. After killing John, the Terminator was out of tasks, so it had two options: self destruction or looking for a new task. As it is against its programming to self-terminate, the most reasonable option would be to blend in and pretend to be a common citizen. "Hollywood AI" already passed the Turing-Test, but today's science is yet still far from it. What contradicts the whole thing in "Dark Fate" is, that the movie "Terminator 2" told us, that Terminators out in the field have restricted capability of learning, so it would not have been able to blend in. I see this as a flaw in the script.
@@1337fraggzb00N It's possible that 'in the field' refers mainly to the future. Where Skynet needs to continuously reinforce this 'limited learning' restriction. Not sure how to explain it, but maybe there's some kind of signal from the main Skynet core that does this. And maybe Skynet removes this limited learning restriction itself from the models it sends back. After all, the terminator in the future needs only to avoid detection for a short while. But a terminator sent back in time needs to learn a whole lot more to avoid being detected.
That would have been me walking the fuck out of the theater. I suspected something like this would happen when they mention we'd be getting Edward Furlong back in the role of John Connor, but the absolute stones on these folks and WTF I just laid eyes on... I was literally stunned. Took me a minute to stop this review so I can go process this level of brazen "FUCK YOU VIEWER."
Honestly a film where Carl builds a family life over thirty years and breaks into the interior design game using his terminator vision to give him the advantage would be absolutely fascinating.
The terminators hanging out and interacting with normal people is my absolute favourite part of terminator films. I would watch the movie with your premise, I think it could actually be hilarious.
RIP random fly they cut in half for no reason. Poor guy just trying to enjoy his short life near the bottom of the food chain, not get sliced to prove a point that makes no sense. RIP random fly. “He was murdered in cold blood but his heart was golden”
P. B Amygdala little did we know, but this fly is actually responsible for the creation of skynet. So by killing it, sky net is no more and the new enemy appears - legion
I met Ed Furlong a couple of months ago. i said "oh cool your gonna be in the new film" he looked at me and smirked "not for long" and laughed. The leader of the human resistance warned me about the future, my life is complete.
I had heard that Edward Furlong was going to be in this movie. Then I wondered why he wasn't on the promo poster. After seeing the movie, now I know why. Talk about 15 seconds of fame.
For me, the biggest problem i had with the movie was actually something James Cameron said in an interview about Dark Fate, which infuriated me to no end when i watched it! In the interview, he mentions that he is tired of doing the "chosen one" stories, so he wanted to do somethign completely different with Dark Fate... This is a great idea, as John Connor being the chosen one and needing protection of some sort is getting old, but all he ended up doing with Dark Fate is to copple together a Frankensteins monster of reused plot from the first two movies, and trying to sell you on the idea that it's new. - It's no longer Skynet, it's Legion now. - The character who needs protection is not Sarah or John, but BOTH. - The terminator isn't a metalic skeleton or liquid metal, it's BOTH. - The leader isn't american anymore, but mexican. - The protector isn't a man, but a woman. - She isn't a robot, and she isn't human, she's BOTH. This would all be okay if they did something new with it all, but in the end, and i don't understand why no one told him this, Cameron ended up making what is possibly the most cliché chosen one story ever, while also somehow making the exact same movie as if Terminator 1 and 2 were 1 movie! I'm not even joking, Dark Fate is the EXACT same movie, just with different actors and settings
I came here looking for this comment! "Dark Fate" is essentialy T2 with T1 elements. I felt the same way with "Star Wars: The Force Awakens", which to me resembled "A New Hope" too much
by the time this shit hit theaters, John Connor was capping some real terminators. you know, those that do not smile and seem friendly and do not raise all the alarms in you that the thing in front of you is NOT actually human or smth is definitely not ok with this dude. oh wait, he punched me in the chest and he pulled out smth. is that my heart? yup, i was right. totally intimidating. unlike the "Buenos dias" Terminator, with a charming smile to boot that would definitely win the Colgate Max Award.
say it with me. "STAR WARS SEQUELS ARE NOT CANON" edit:i have no memory of creating this comment. i dont remember being this angry. the sequels are not as bad as they might have been
"It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead." Yup. The worst killer is the Hollywood Cash Machine (tm). It will never stop, until all lovely franchises are DEAD. Say hi to Alien and Predator on your way down..
Prometheus was a great movie, it just wasn't Alien. It was a separate movie set in the same universe, with expanded horizons. It introduced philosophical themes that you practically never see in american cinema, and the mood was set expertly, as one would expect from Scott. Realistically speaking, neither Alien nor T2 were likely to get sequels that were as good or better. That just doesn't happen often. Unlike what you see in other media, most movie franchises are one hit wonders. There are endless examples of great sequels in the realm of books or videogames, but in movies not so much. Sequels that basically recreate the original (e.g. T3, Genysis, Dark Fate) obviously fail to amaze the way the original did, since they're merely imitating something great years later. Meanwhile, sequels that try to take the franchise in new directions tend to be hated by the audience for daring to be any different from the original, regardless of the film's objective quality. It's a kneejerk psychological reaction from people but it's not inevitable, since you can do a good job of rehashing an old movie (or a bad job of trying to introduce new things). That's why T2 took off the way it did; despite being relatively similar to The Terminator, it was crafted so masterfully that nobody cared. And on the other side of that coin, while I thought Prometheus was a more than worthy successor to Alien (again, while being its own movie and not just a repeat of Alien), I hated Salvation. I thought it was a badly written movie full of plotholes and a terrible combination of drawn out boring scenes and overly spastic action scenes. I suggest you look up the videos that certain youtubers have done on Prometheus, especially regarding the original script. "Kroft talks about movies" has dozens of videos on the topic. That content should give you a clearer idea of what Prometheus really was. It's not an 'easy' movie. It's not nearly as accessible as the average blockbuster, and it certainly isn't without its flaws. I don't deny the flaws it does have. But a lot of the issues that mainstream youtubers have with it are actually total misconceptions. Several aspects of the movie went over most peoples' heads. Deliberate vagueness was misinterpreted as weak writing. It's not. The movie is just more philosophical compared to its peers.
Not just franchises. Even the so called "universes". The MCU has had its zenith, bunch of woke coming its way now to burn it to the ground. The Arrowverse has been on the woke train for a long time and this new Batwoman garbage might just be the last nail in the coffin.
"I've got it! He'll grow a conscience and feel bad for killing John, then start a family, live in a log cabin where he enjoys watching football and drinking Corona, open a drapery business and call himself Carl! It can't fail!"
"Caaaaaaarl... why did you kill these people, Carl?!" "Probably because I'm a dangerous cyborg assassin with a long history of violence. I don't understand how you keep forgetting that."
@@ryu411 I'm sorry? The point of the joke is because none of that happened. Immediately family died, and Danni was told to not mourne by Sarah, and . . . She did as she was told. The shooting scene has Sarah propose a scenario of Dan's family dying, you know, that thing that happened. In the movie, Danni uses that to make her angry, and shoot better. The joke here is that the obvious reaction of someone being reminded about their freshly dead immediate family is to cry your eyes out. Now I am explaining the joke. I do not understand why I had to do that.
carl was not a good charecter arnie said terminator 4 sucked yeah right terminators 5 and dark fate were pure trashfre and garbage he should have been in 4 but said no
Its pretty bad. Its basically like. "Oh, you don't like women? Go fuck one and then you'll like them because one of a woman's best qualities is her pussy."
I hate it when the driving force in movies is "These scenes MUST happen, so lets make excuses for them" instead of "This story inherently creates good scenes"
Thinking about an idea for an actual Terminator 3: What if John, rather than being the leader of a resistance group, was the leader of a group of terrorists. My thought process is that with how Sarah Conner was traumatized by her encounter with a Terminator, John went through a similar experience, and ended up being paranoid that something like the Terminators and skynet might happen again, leading him to be paranoid, and using his leadership skills to become a charismatic terrorist that wages war on tech corporations or something along those line. This leads to a company/government/thing, making a more weak dollar store terminator to hunt down John and take both him out, which would lead to his group falling apart, coming full circle and having John getting taken out by a Terminator an arguably good thing. This isn't a perfect idea, as I have to ignore the major fact that John had a good relationship with a single Terminator, which might affect my idea. It would also be controversial to kill John, which is a problem, but as long as it doesn't feel too forced, it can hopefully work with people
This, OR my idea I had of sending a Terminator back to say, mid 1800s or early 1900s or even earlier, the fuck are they going to do against a walking tank? Send the Terminator to a set point waaaay far back that you can take out their family line and any other resistance leaders and making sure the lines of those who created it are safe.
I really would have loved if this movie was about a future evil AI sending a terminator back to protect its creator (the mexican girl), the human resistance sending Grace back to kill that same creator, and Sarah Connor trying to figure out how to handle the resulting moral dilemma.
Would've been infinitely more interesting. Just cut out John Connor dying (since he wouldn't be relevant to this specific story) and it's a solid movie.
more like t- 1000 is send back to protect dyson., and skynet is on the defence and securing judgement day on time and exactly happening full circle. Sarah and john try to resolve the dilema of killing dyson and dyson in the end gets motivated in finishing skynet program because of the failed murder attempt. script writers should have though of this and not we have deep fake to reimage t-2
I stil don't understand the need for Grace's metabolism to be ultra-high? Like she's a cyborg. Wouldn't the entire reason for her having a power source be so that her augmentations wouldn't fry her metabolic system?
It’s to give her a vulnerability while being still able to convincingly fight the Rev 9. If she was just keeping up with it all the time without any drawback then there wouldn’t be much tension.
That's LITERALLY tha reason why Ann Lewis has short hair in RoboCop AND so we don't think of her as a potential love interest for Murphy which is actually regressive in each instant|
@@reansooney Not all armies. In scandinavia females can keep their length as is, so it makes no difference to me. Either way, imo, that haircut style is rather, very ugly. Bald is better than that. Ugh.
@@reansooney well.. as long as you tie your hair up and can fit under your helmet. Also I thought I’ve seen women in the US military who had their hair back in buns.
Scene opens on a dump truck backing up, beeping. A hand wearing a dirty glove roughly grabs a black bag in the foreground. Fade out. _"In the distant future..."_ A transgender Asian woman (they did guy, girl, white, brown, now they need to check off the next box on the virtue-signal bingo card) hops onto the back of the truck as it drives away. A sinister-looking person eyes her from the sidewalk. Eyes which suddenly begin to glow red. _"Garbage..."_ Gunshots and running and explosions! _"is..."_ Our Chosen Sanitation Expert holds a bazooka. Camera does that dolly-zoom trick. _"FATE."_ Fade to black. "Terminator: Garbage" fades in behind fog that we soon realize is the smell rising from a row of trash cans. and it would still be a better movie than Twilight, sorry, Terminator:DarkFate, probably.
Riddle me this: why did they kill John and not have him grow up as a normal man and has a daughter in Mexico (Dani) and since she is younger she is to become the savior of mankind. Since John would know how to deal with terminators and being Dani's father he is her protector throughout the movie from REV-9 (not Grace)?
As good as your story would be they couldn't do that because John would have had to impregnate a woman. You'd have millions of little sperm Conners swimming through an apocalyptic environment, battling each other to reach the egg in time before its kicked out of it's accomodation and dies. The egg, which just sits there as a passive damsel in distress participant of fertilisation wouldn't convey the message this film is trying to give the audience. lol
@@PARAN0IDxGERBIL I disagree. They're just terrible writers trying to make a quick easy buck and didn't care to think that far ahead. But obviously their political beliefs drove the narrative of this film. They are also horrible writers. Did I mention that already?
Pretty much because there looking for a strong female character....nah just they wanted to wreck one of the besr characters in a film....i.e sarah connor
@@VickyWlt "movie was great" ? It's because of dumbasses like you that Hollywood always fails to meet upto the expectations of the fans while staying true to the the pre sequels of the previous franchise films with pure logic. Your so-called "good film" is burning like wildfire all throughout the Internet, so better save your opinions to yourself in confidential
The crazy part is the original two terminators showed women empowerment, sarah connor was the main character it was her journey, john would be nothing without her the main focus is of her development and how she ultimately saves the world.
Yeah and this one is INCREDIBLY TONE DEAF if it thinks that what Sarah took away from that whole experience was, "I'm not important, it's my womb..." 🙄🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
@ur mom Yeah, legit the intro is just the T-800 casually strolling up to John and shooting him in the fucking chest, and that happened in the first 5 minutes
@Steven Young yep, definitely looking forward to that. And also, seeing Tim Miller's response to his "decision making" for the film, just shows how much of a lazy writer he is. No wonder why he got fired from Deadpool 2
Seeing Sarah's emotional reaction to the end of the world in T2 juxtaposed with the description of her reaction in this film really highlights the insidious prevailing idea of making "strong characters" that ends up perverting even basic elements of human characterization. The model of a "strong character" ends up being this hollow and stilted idealized aesthetic that characters are forced into in a manner that degrades both them and the overall story. And it's so damn pervasive these days.
Stilted dialogues and wooden characters pretending to sound human and failing miserably at it? It’s almost like they come from cynical corporate products pretending to be cinematic and failing miserably at it.
I know what you mean. Writing a strong female character isn't hard... The first problem people have with it is they're a female character... When a character can be summed up with "they're a girl" or "they're a Mexican" or "they're the gay one" that isn't a character at all. When writing any type of "strong character" you should focus on their weakness and build up more of that throughout as they slowly overcome it. Sarah Conner in Terminator 2 was hell-bent on stopping the future to the point where she would commit a murder. But then when it came down to it she wasn't able to do it. This was a powerful moment in the show. Knowing that if you pull the trigger you could end the future but at the loss of yourself. Writing a character at all shouldn't be hard. No one should be perfect and flawless. You shouldn't make a "strong female character." You should make a "strong character" that is female.
I liked Salvation because it was bold enough to actually depict the Future War. I think it got a bad rap for not having the iconic plasma rifles, and for the subplot with Marcus that distracted away from John a bit too much, but it was a step in the right direction. One or two more movies with Christian Bale would have closed the time loop and ended with John sending Kyle back in time -- like they were sitting on a golden formula and just gave up on it for no reason.
I always heard people say how shit Salvation was (around when the license game came out, I remember people saying Salvation was "the shitty Terminator"), but I saw it for the first time when it came on TV, and it honestly wasn't half bad. The color palette was sort of annoying, the super harsh "cool" vibes it was giving didn't really sit well/it felt like they were trying too much, and the whole idea behind Marcus was kind of goofy. But overall, I found it pretty entertaining, maybe more than T3.
the actor who played young Kyle Reese made me hate the film ao much that I really didn't want to finish it. I know he's dead now IRL, kinda fitting he got killed by a machine though.
They missed an opportunity to make Arnold a human character.. Say we find out that he was an important role in the war against the machines. Tech expert. Weapons expert. Whatever. But he’s an ally to John in the future war. John realized Skynet used his image to try and infiltrate his military bases. (Hence why they have the models mainly based off Arny). Since they changed the future (judgement day is happening later) the human Arnold doesn’t get involved in the war in this new timeline. They could use Arnold as a human character. Adds to the suspense because he could actually die. But no we get the genisys plot again except that genisys did the terminator storyline better somehow.... Edit: anyone ever see the first “Tremors” movie? Arnold should basically portray his character like the character Burt. Gun fanatic who’s eager to show us his military skills.
Sarah is not even just a person who shaped John..she is the key figure in preventing Judgement day. In both movies T1 and T2 she is the most important figure. In T:Garbage this character is just humiliated.
And he just somehow grew a conscience even though Terminator 2 explicitly stated that you need to reset his CPU which Skynet locked so he wouldn't think too much for himself. This movie was beyond terrible.
You are absolutely right. They killed off Newt and that just killed the whole movie mood for me. Now, John buys it and I'm ready to flip the channel to a soccer game.
How to fix most of the movie with one change: John Conner lives and Skynet (or some new kind of machine threat) can't track him so it sends a terminator back in time to kill the person who saves John in the future, Dani.
@@MilanousMedia I mean, not necessarily. These are movies about time travel, and with time travel you can always come up with an explanation for why Terminators are still being sent to the past. It could be that the new terminators are being sent by the Skynet from the time before Sarah and John stopped Judgement Day because "time is a circle, not a flat line" or something like that. Or use the same reason used in Dark Fate to explain why a Terminator killed John: Skynet just sent a bunch of terminators to different points and times and they remained there even after Skynet was destroyed; you could say one or more of those terminatos had the mission to kill Dani, who (in the future that now will never happen) saved John from something, or taught him something that he would later use to fight against Skynet, idk, let's just say she had an important role in John's life. This way you have a reason to have John not be in the movie, they could just say he's hiding somewhere because there still are terminators going after him, and Sarah's out there hunting them down and that's how she end ups meeting Dani, and then you could go full circle having Sarah protecting a young naive girl in a more small scale low budget adventure like T1 was.
Sorry, I had an intrusive thought when you mentioned Sarah Conner telling Dani "a terminator just killed your whole family" and just imagined Dani breaking down and killing herself, ending the plot.
@@ninjafrog6966 would be interesting. A “John Connor” as the movie puts it that doesn’t want to live and instead kill themselves, causing skynet or whatever to win.
The terminator-Awesome movie Terminator 2-Best one of all Terminator 3-Not as good as the first 2 but the best of the sequels after 2 Terminator salvation-interesting idea, terrible trailers Terminator genisys-interesting ideas, horrible execution Terminator dark fate-a giant slap in the face to any of the fans
I reckon T2 is a great movie, but a terrible sequel. A big thing in T1 was that fate was inevitable, while it's the opposite in T2. T1 is essentially a horror movie, with a sci-fi monster that they can't really hurt; while T2 is an action movie with a secondary protagonist that can just about go toe-to-toe with the antagonist. There are also minor points, like how the liquid metal man shouldn't have been able to time travel since he has no skin. It feels more like a separate movie that was heavily inspired by T1, rather than an actual sequel.
I like the third and fourth, its hard to follow up the best terminator movie but i believe they have their place espically bc i love cristian bale in the fourth one
Terminator Genisys was awesome it happens between T1 an T2 following the events of what happens after T3 ends john tries to alter and change the future differently from the original time line and sends the t-800 to Sarah way before she was an adult to protect her a raise her....
Breasts aren’t a bad thing tho. Embracing them is a perfectly natural, healthy and normal thing to do... unlike combining politics with escapist entertainment.
A major thing that always irritated me about this film is that in the original Terminator, Kyle Reese is scared of the T800 and there's always that sense of suspense when they fight. In Dark Fate, however, they were so determined to push the "strong female hero" trope that Grace isn't in the least bit threatened by the Terminator at any point and in fact spends the entire film beating it into the ground, meaning there's absolutely no suspense whenever they fight because you know she's automatically going to win.
Yep. Almost like everyone in hollywood seems to have forgotten that IF YOUR CHARACTER IS INVINCIBLE, YOUR AUDIENCE CAN'T RELATE, AND WILL THEREFORE NOT CARE. It's basic story writing, what the heck?? Every single Marvel movie is so freaking boring to me because of this.
Dan Hitchman Ripley and Sarah are not the only true strong fictional women. Xena, Buffy, Clarice Sterling, Dana Scully, Aeryn Sun, are other good examples.
I'm confused. In Judgment Day, Sarah and John needed to reset the CPU of the T-800, in order to give him the ability to learn freely. And now another T-800 spends decades as a happy family man. Is that the reason why the film makers invented Legion? Because they couldn't work around Skynet blocking that damned switch?
Yeah, hope, anger and will (to obey for example) are most time pointless. Will will help to get hired, not further. Anger is just you loosing power if you do it without justification. Hope is meh, you can believe and and get used and lied.
To be fair, James Cameron is responsible for this hot mess. Linda only did it because he was directing it. I was so stoked when they 1st announced this movie, but after watching it, I was crushed. Sara went from a sexy, toned, kick a$$ warrior to a drunk. FU James Cameron.
"Dear God, can you solve the middle east problem?" "I can't do that." "Then, can you make a Terminator movie as good as the first two?" "En......hand me that world map!"
Joking or not, this is a literal impossible task lol people watched because of Arnold, he is getting old. Time travel can easily be fucked up (and they fucked it up royally). There's nowhere to run.
How did the new Terminator find John Connor? It's established that most pre-war records were destroyed, that's why the Terminator was randomly killing people named Sarah Connor in T1 and why the T-1000 had to look up police records to find John in T2. So how does the new Terminator find John? Sarah would have been smart enough to use fake names and live off the grid. There would have been no way for the Terminator to track John down.
Oh well, it's simple. John Connor was in the way of the story since he is an action hero but this is a comedy movie. As such they couldn't have John or else the story wouldn't be funny and hilarious. Yes. I like to pretend that this movie was made as a comedy as a joke. Coping is far easier that way.
According to what you see on the 1st 5 minutes of the movie, Sarah thought it was over and there was no need to go off-the Grid. Now, if Skynet never appeared and Legion took its place...there might be records IF it was not destroyed. What I don't get is the idea of a T-800 appearing then. No Skynet, no T-800.
@@peposo7 Except that idea doesn't work because Sarah and John would be fugitives on the run, given the fact they just destroyed Cyberdyne and shot up a bunch of police, and Sarah escaped from a mental institution and was considered connected to the 1984 police killings. They successfully averted Skynet taking over, but they would never lead normal lives again.
A few things might happen. 1. This is it... Terminators over, this killed the the series 2. Another Reboot will happen retconning this movie, and will probably suck too. 3. Something *worse*
@Cian Abroad I've seen many modern-day reboots/continuations that pick up stories that ended perfectly, destroy the happiness and achievements of the old characters, and leave them, the world, and the story in a worse place than where they were found. Those sorts of stories are the epitome of things that have no purpose in existing...
According to the game Terminator: Resistance. It doesn't. At the end of the game three terminators have been sent to the past, the T-800 sent to kill Sera, the T-1000 sent to kill John, and a third terminator to kill your character.
"Whoa, did you just cut a fly in half right out of the air? Not gonna lie, that was pretty awesome! Anyway, what was this bullshit about robots from the future?"
Of all the comments I want to make this is the one I'm going with. After mission completion the T800 would either just stand there or(more likely) revert to its previous programming, ie. killing any and all humans it can see. The T800 even responds to John in T2 when he remarks he was going to kill "That guy" with "Of course, I'm a Terminator"... Can't these people read the script or at least watch the film before adding to its universe???
The old T2 books actually had an answer to what a Terminator is programmed to do when it's completed it's time mission - Ghost the Skynet project and do what it can to make sure it's successful. By that logic, Sarah Connor should be as ventilated as John, and Skynet would have definitely happened, meaning no Legion.
Another optione would be the t-800 destroying or hiding itself to hide the evidence. It going on a rampage would just alert everyone to the possible future.
@AKUJIRULE Lol. If I was her, I would've refused to do that part about how she thought GPS could be blocked with plastic chip packets. Must have been written by a dude.
When I was young, Sarah Connor exiting the room she'd been held in was a scene that caught my imagination for a character setting off on a purposeful journey. It is the scene I associate with this franchise more than the terminator even.. I'm glad I haven't seen this film. I'm not quite ready for that hero to die just to get some "female hero", like making millions by beginning with billions.
Dani: Mexican and Nice Hope: Uh...female..cyborg...good person? Sarah: Was in the old movies. T-8Arnold: Was in the old movies and now has “Da Feels”. New Terminator: Is Mexican and has abilities that it’ll forget when it would be wise to use them.
@Channel Zero Honestly, I sometimes think these writers really just think the world is *this* black and white and there's no personality in anyone apart from their sex, race, and political party.
Remember how much CGI they needed to make Arnold look like a killer cyborg? ... Yeah, i was kidding with that, they used a water&vaseline spray to make his skin look less human, mercury street-lights to give the shots a colder and more 'robotic' look, and some simple acting tricks like, the Terminator moving his eyes before his head because that's what robots would do, because robots are efficient. ... *HEY, REMEMBER WHEN OLD TERMINATOR HEAD-BUTTED A SKYBORNE HELICOPTER BY JUMPING OUT OF A PLANE IN ORDER TO DESTROY IT?* (and people wonder why the new movies are shit.)
@@thatguy22441 Movie: We have to female main characters, one of which is a returning Character who is a fan favorite. Retarded anti-sjws: *autistic screeching*
The other thing weird about Sarah not expecting anything special out of the new main character is she was a night clubbing waitress in the first movie. She knows this shit flips your world and your skill sets upside down. She just wanted to take unnecessary pot shots at the MECHANIC who couldn't possibly have any useful skills in the upcoming MACHINE WAR.
@Gordy Skymop We wanted a film trilogy about peoples´relationship with terminators but we did not realize then that that is impossible because nuclear weapons can never work in reality. Basically these are just dark fantasy sci fi films about ghosts.
Salvation is definitely the best sequel post-T2. The movie is pretty average, but at least it isn't complete trash unlike the others. It at least did something new and focused on the future war, and wasn't hell-bent on retconning all the good Terminator story arcs via time travel.
T1-The sci fi GOAT T2-The heir apparent T3-Rehash of T2 albeit not quite as good T4-Now we’re back on track in progressing through the entire story T5-OK as a comedy T6-OK if you’re drunk PS Why go after John in ‘98 well after what they knew was judgement day was my #1 issue.. I’m good with keeping the first four canon if they find a way to patch it
It's not even an interesting Jnet is perfect because it implies an all encompassing program, something endless and global. Legion just sounds like they picked the name to sound sort scary or some shit.
Wait wait. If they killed John Conner why the hell are they still sending terminators in time again ? Isn’t Sarah Conner hunting terminators after John was killed? Terminators are coming through time to kill who exactly?
@@lucasoheyze4597 Makes more sense than this new AI developing terminators that are identical to the ones that skynet made and sending those to kill the new saviour character.
They retconned the last three while making all of the major mistakes that they made. Fuckin brilliant. Also Sarah Conner, after remembering all the liquid terminators she killed with a shotgun.. heads down to finish off the liquid metal terminator with a shotgun. “It’s your womb” Aghhhhhhh stop it When Carl said he desired purpose I laughed out loud
She was the hottest action babe around in T2, hotter than even Halle Berry or Michelle Yeoh. Unfortunately, her lifelong smoking habit caught up with her around age 50. (Condolences for her identical twin sister).
@@geordischmidt That gravel throat kicked in way earlier than that lol, ever see Children of the Corn? She sounds just as bad in that as she does now. She must have quit for a while cuz in T2 she don't sound bad at all.
@Stang5.0 killsya While T3 shits on the "we managed to stop judgement day" from T2 .. it was interesting in presenting judgement day as an unavoidable event because it had "allready happent" , meaning John Connor existance was entirely dependant on Skynet sending a Terminator to kill his mother and the former sending kyle Reese to protect her.. avoiding judgement day presented a paradox on John's existance and the terminators actions and T3 directly adressed that by going the way that its not a paradox because you cant stoped since it allready happent..and while unpleasant and a downer it took the guts to end the movie with judgement day even despite John 's constant and desperate tried to stop it and how it finally sinks in him at the very end that what the Terminator had told him : you cant stop it.. Terminator Salvation was interesting in that it took part during the war wich is quite unexplored territory.. (why) and Genesis and Dark Fate are just unwanted go nowhere franchise ruiners
I actually just watched T3 again and I have more respect for it. It wasn't that bad in retrospect. That chick terminator is a fucking beast. Hot as hell but a murderer like the t1000.
I actually brought this film when the DVD was first realized I thought the trailers looked cool and Terminator is a good film so I got it when the movie finished I immediately regretted buying the DVD due to how bad the movie was
Smith Wesson You misunderstood the intent of my post, sorry. It was directed at that Snehil Shrey soyboy for running his mouth about oldschool fans of the Terminator franchise in the comments section.
I wish Grace got injured more in the film. Like, the only time she's in a critical state is when she hasn't had her daily 8 glasses of water or sumshit. The fight scenes woulda had me if she got blooped in the face JUST *once or twice* , but no... Apparently she's more perfect at fighting than a fucking AI. But, oh well, leave the injuries to Arnie I guess, women can't get hurt.
There will never be another good Terminator film, I've given up hope. My ultimate dream would be a film that had the same atmosphere of the opening scene in T2 which showed the Machine War and actually had a satisfying ending to the franchise but hey, that's all but gone now
At this point, I would honestly prefer a complete reboot from the ground up, or a simple one-shot remake/reimagining of the original film with no sequels attached.
What they never seem to remember is the Terminator franchise started out w a genuinely groundbreaking horror film. T2 has plenty of horror elements as well, but because it’s one of the best action films ever made everyone seemed to forgot about the genre framings that contributed to such compelling narratives and engaging thematic elements.
Same here! I understand that we'd know the ending, but it could be a side story that isn't centered around John. I'd like to see a bit of distrust and paranoia. How is it that the world ended and there are these giant machines killing. Yet this one guy who knows how to destroy them and predict robot infiltrators that look human? Also, how were they able to capture and reprogram a Terminator? John wasn't the only one who lead humanity to victory. There had to be others involved. Heck, the whole point of humanoid terminators being used wasn't to just go around infiltrating hidden areas full of survivors. They could have been created to kill specific targets. People who were valuable in possibly winning. I've been wanting a Terminator film that is taken place during that future timeline.
I think you underestimate how many people watch your videos who have not seen these movies. Ive only seen the first when I was really young and still find videos like this entertaining. I like reviews of bad movies that I haven't seen and I don't think I'm alone.
Also never watched it! I watched his review of, uhm, one of the star wars things. the last movie i think, and fully enjoyed the review without ever having to suffer through the actual movie.
They tried to be clever by killing off John but if anything it’s massively backfired and negates T1 and T2 in many ways. I think a T3 should’ve purely been set in the future and covered the war. Then during the film it should’ve brought the series full circle as John sends a T800 to protect him, as the humans had essentially won the war and the machines resorted to sending a terminator back to kill John. Then the latter part of the film should’ve made it clear how the machines failed to change the future, but SARAH/John did and skynet collapses once and for all. The end.
shouldn't have bothered with John actually because there's no Skynet to kill John. John would been really old by the time Legion came, there's no need to kill John.
I'm willing to even consider all the other sequels as noncanon post-T2 except for Salvation. You can almost view it as a prequel to the first movie in a way, because of young Kyle Reese.
I haven't even seen the movie but as soon as I heard a terminator killed John at the start of this review I immediately knew Arnold is that Terminator but older lol. So predictable you don't even need to watch it. The idea of what a self-aware AI would do with itself after completing its one task is interesting shame it wasn't put to better use.
Right? Humans don't do that. If we finish our bucket list we just keep adding new stuff onto the pile. There's always something more we want, or think we want. But a machine that completes its prime directive? Especially one that is sentient and possibly sapient? Does it change, grow or learn? Or maybe it just returns to its default programming ('blend in with humans until further orders'). The flip side of this question: what happens to a machine that fails its prime directive? Does it do the same thing? Questions we'll never see posed by big action movies these days.
*"Or maybe it just returns to its default programming ('blend in with humans until further orders')."* That's how I'd have explained it, rather than a sudden change of heart. It leaves the possibility open that it's not actually one of the good guys, and is just sending Sarah Conner out to kill other Terminators because they're agents of Skynet's rival. *"what happens to a machine that fails its prime directive? Does it do the same thing?"* In the Terminator's case, if it fails it's task, it's probably been destroyed, so the question is irrelevant. But it *is* something to consider for other AI-based stories.
@@Kartissa Honestly, having Legion be a rival of Skynet that was crushed in the original timeline, and that Arni still has a sub routine to suppress Legion works to both keep him a robot without being hacked by non-robot overload following humans, and explains why he fights other Terminators.
Sara Connor Chronicles sort of shed a light on this after completing their mission they simply deactivate until Skynet unleashes armageddon and i assume they are then repurposed.
I would argue it was the last good terminator film. At least it tried to move on with the story instead of just doing "its T2 with a twist" story-line.
Considering they allready had a semi-liquid terminator in the third movie - A fact that the fans of this misscarriage of a movie forgot fopr... "Reasons"...
When Jimmy Kimmel asked Linda Hamilton what she thought of the movie she said: "it's ok"
Even that is too good for this film
She is being too nice, it's garbage
Well thats nice, right?
She only said that because she was probably under contract not to make fun of it.
Anyone know the song at 27:54?
I hate how Sarah Connor is acting all “been-there, done-that” like killing Terminators ain’t nothing but a thang...
But in the original Terminator, Kyle Reese was afraid of them, and took them very seriously. And he came from the future where he routinely fought them off.
Exactly. This film is just about strong wahmen, without any regard to the franchise it's supposed to represent.
VOLTEC No its not just about strong women.
You had the women fighting along side Arnold. Enough. This movie is not woke like people think. You feel it is. But its actually not. The roles flipped because this film is about two realities! And Sara Conner developed more hatred for the Terminators. Her character stayed true. The SJW is not in this film. Even the border scenes were just situations of what the characters do if they were placed in this situation.
They are running away from a Terminator. When Grace opened those cages it was not a political statement. It was a distraction so she could cover herself to protect Danny. Logically anyone would do that if your running away from a killer robot. Lastly you can't say this film is woke. Because they all supoorted second Admendment on the shooting range scene. When Armold says " Welcome to Texas." Lol so get a grip. I liked the movie. I can tell when things are SJW. This wasn't that. Also since Terminator 2. Sara and John always lived by the border. You actually had conservative ideas in this film if you pay attention.
Another thing: Edward Furlong (young John Connor) was taller and obviously stronger in T2 than Natalia Reyes (who's 5'1") is yet he was never portrayed as a match for the T-1000 and never attacked him, while SHE can apparently take on something even more advanced than the T-1k...
baw5xc I hate when characters have that outlook, makes the bad guys seem like they’re not a threat in favor of making the wamen character look badass
Good point, I saw the movie last night, I walked out disappointed.
"You can't use a pizza-cutter to eat soup and you can't use a spoon to cut pizza."
Not with _that_ attitude.
ROFL!
"When I get my hands on you, I'm gonna carve your heart out with a spoon".
RIP Alan Rickman.
If you're persistent enough, you can cut anything with a spoon, and eat anything with a pizza cutter
I could easily cut a pizza with a spoon
@@jadeumVT
Now _that's_ the right attitude.
It would be hilarious if killing the fly caused a butterfly effect and ruined the future
Too bad it didn't set the timeline back to normal and John and Skynet were back.
*fly effect
Still a better storyline than Dark Fate
Plot Twist: The fly was a Cybernet spy
It should have been a butterfly.
“You’re not the threat, it’s your womb” - quality writing there guys
Nobel Prize material.
We need to ban these dangerous assault wombs.
*you're = you are
Certified hood Classic
“You aren’t important, it’s only the fact that you can reproduce that gives you value”
“Oh my god. You DO have value! YOU (woman) are the hero, not some fucking John Conner (man)”
Queue feminist points.
3 things in life are certain
1: Death
2: Taxes
3: A shit Terminator film evey few years
@marcus24000 1-2 are great 3 is dreadful
Salvation is different
Genisys was awful
Dark fate is equally awful
So basically 9/10
10/10
4/10
6/10
2/10
1/10
1. You were never alive to dead
2. Taxes preserve the perverse natural state of inevitability
3. Societal homogeneity dictates societal decline
4. Once bereaved of totality does the composition achieve finality
@marcus24000 realy? I realy liked this One, it was not perfect but I enjoyed it. Way better than 3-5.
And now we can add a shitty star wars movie every few years as well
thanks for the likes everone :) probably a bit harsh though, T3 and salvation weren't terrible, IMO of course.
16:40 "But why me? I'm nothing?"
Sarah's _only_ response should ever be "So was I."
Which is still incorrect because Sarah was a certified badass.
@@TheSlammurai Yes, that was my point. She was just some waitress at the start of Terminator 1, and look at her by the end of Terminator 2
an unemployed waitress.
You forgot the single mother part.
@Vindictator1972 that just makes her more of a badass
“How does it feel to see all your favorite franchises go up in flames?”
“It feels great.”
It's so easy to just tweak a few things to make this not a complete trainwreck.
Even changing some lines to something else could be neat.
Like instead of "I'll be back" they could've twisted it to "Stay here if you want to live", making it a play on the "come with me if you want to live" line and therein showing how Sarah is no longer the defensive, but the aggressive element.
ArlanKels even using the “I’ll be back” line at a different point in the film could have work. Like “Sarah no! Don’t go on this really dangerous mission you’re going to die!” *puts on shades* “ don’t worry. I’ll be back.”
Well now you know how transformers fans felt for 10 years
I'm enjoying my anger
That's why the only possible entertainment I could find in RoS is for the movie to be insultingly bad
@@fmirza01 Yup. Everyone laughs at fans of the franchise for being upset at shitty adaptations/sequels, telling them to not take it so seriously, "it's just a movie"... and then it happens to something they care about and they realize how crap it feels. I never even saw or really liked Transformers and I still thought the fans had a right to be upset.
Terminator: kills target.
Next task: get married, grow a beard and learn how to mix Margaritas.
Yeah, that makes sense.
Terminator: Alcohol is ultimate poison of society. Spread alcoholism, mission will be successful.
Customer: You okay there bud?
i get, why this seems to be a rediculous concept.. but actually it is not! it all boils down to the questsion.. WHAT IS AN A.I.??
if it is a real conscious intelligence, with 20 years time to evolve, it is very likeley, that it will develope some kind of personality. we have seen glimpses of it alreaady in "T2"
i am programmer by myself, and i know, that we currently have nothing on earth, that comes even close to a real AI. Our software is only faking it, by executing pre-defined solutions to our requests..
a real AI, must be something, that works on its own.. having at least a vague solution for every situation/request (like a human has).. and the terminator movies are ABOUT AN A.I.
@@SmileThePlanet well, you are right. It actually would make sense. After killing John, the Terminator was out of tasks, so it had two options: self destruction or looking for a new task. As it is against its programming to self-terminate, the most reasonable option would be to blend in and pretend to be a common citizen.
"Hollywood AI" already passed the Turing-Test, but today's science is yet still far from it.
What contradicts the whole thing in "Dark Fate" is, that the movie "Terminator 2" told us, that Terminators out in the field have restricted capability of learning, so it would not have been able to blend in. I see this as a flaw in the script.
@@1337fraggzb00N exactly right! lets not forget, that he was programmed to pretend to be human.. so he still had this task to execute
@@1337fraggzb00N It's possible that 'in the field' refers mainly to the future. Where Skynet needs to continuously reinforce this 'limited learning' restriction. Not sure how to explain it, but maybe there's some kind of signal from the main Skynet core that does this. And maybe Skynet removes this limited learning restriction itself from the models it sends back. After all, the terminator in the future needs only to avoid detection for a short while. But a terminator sent back in time needs to learn a whole lot more to avoid being detected.
I love that you can see someone leaving the theater after john connor gets shot
Yeah, that's great.
Feel bad for whoever paid to see this film.
That would have been me walking the fuck out of the theater. I suspected something like this would happen when they mention we'd be getting Edward Furlong back in the role of John Connor, but the absolute stones on these folks and WTF I just laid eyes on... I was literally stunned. Took me a minute to stop this review so I can go process this level of brazen "FUCK YOU VIEWER."
Am still in shock and now in anger
A Hard Worker I honestly don't care. The story was over with T2.
Honestly a film where Carl builds a family life over thirty years and breaks into the interior design game using his terminator vision to give him the advantage would be absolutely fascinating.
I'd watch that over this.
Carl was probably the best part, and the only thing that I actively watched for.
Or even Pops and his construction company with both terminator vision and that CPU chip in his head.
The terminators hanging out and interacting with normal people is my absolute favourite part of terminator films.
I would watch the movie with your premise, I think it could actually be hilarious.
RIP random fly they cut in half for no reason. Poor guy just trying to enjoy his short life near the bottom of the food chain, not get sliced to prove a point that makes no sense.
RIP random fly.
“He was murdered in cold blood but his heart was golden”
F
There will be a spin-off series about that fly.
P. B Amygdala little did we know, but this fly is actually responsible for the creation of skynet. So by killing it, sky net is no more and the new enemy appears - legion
F. fly lives matter
@@p.bamygdala2139 Flyminator the green shate
I met Ed Furlong a couple of months ago. i said "oh cool your gonna be in the new film" he looked at me and smirked "not for long" and laughed. The leader of the human resistance warned me about the future, my life is complete.
I had heard that Edward Furlong was going to be in this movie. Then I wondered why he wasn't on the promo poster. After seeing the movie, now I know why. Talk about 15 seconds of fame.
“Not ... Furlong”
I saw him on Startrek Renegades and he was great.
Rough Cut RetroSpect, LMFAO!!!!! That’s great, or terrible depending on how you’re looking at it.
@@DaftBrian1 Ooh, brilliant catch there mate. Well done! :-)
The irony is john is dead along with the rest of the series.
that works in that the future has fallen as he was it's savoir
The ironing *
Same thing happened to Alien in the 3rd and 4th film.
For me, the biggest problem i had with the movie was actually something James Cameron said in an interview about Dark Fate, which infuriated me to no end when i watched it!
In the interview, he mentions that he is tired of doing the "chosen one" stories, so he wanted to do somethign completely different with Dark Fate...
This is a great idea, as John Connor being the chosen one and needing protection of some sort is getting old, but all he ended up doing with Dark Fate is to copple together a Frankensteins monster of reused plot from the first two movies, and trying to sell you on the idea that it's new.
- It's no longer Skynet, it's Legion now.
- The character who needs protection is not Sarah or John, but BOTH.
- The terminator isn't a metalic skeleton or liquid metal, it's BOTH.
- The leader isn't american anymore, but mexican.
- The protector isn't a man, but a woman.
- She isn't a robot, and she isn't human, she's BOTH.
This would all be okay if they did something new with it all, but in the end, and i don't understand why no one told him this, Cameron ended up making what is possibly the most cliché chosen one story ever, while also somehow making the exact same movie as if Terminator 1 and 2 were 1 movie! I'm not even joking, Dark Fate is the EXACT same movie, just with different actors and settings
I came here looking for this comment! "Dark Fate" is essentialy T2 with T1 elements. I felt the same way with "Star Wars: The Force Awakens", which to me resembled "A New Hope" too much
The irony….
“It’s the EXACT same movie, just with different actors and settings” and a horrible, nonsensical script.
And it screwed everything the 2 movies established, it's not terminator its *eradicator* (that's what I'd like to believe)
John Connor is alive and well because bad movies never happen.
by the time this shit hit theaters, John Connor was capping some real terminators. you know, those that do not smile and seem friendly and do not raise all the alarms in you that the thing in front of you is NOT actually human or smth is definitely not ok with this dude. oh wait, he punched me in the chest and he pulled out smth. is that my heart? yup, i was right. totally intimidating. unlike the "Buenos dias" Terminator, with a charming smile to boot that would definitely win the Colgate Max Award.
say it with me. "STAR WARS SEQUELS ARE NOT CANON"
edit:i have no memory of creating this comment. i dont remember being this angry. the sequels are not as bad as they might have been
If only that was how it worked
@Max Gubbins What sequel movies ? There was Terminator and Terminator 2. I do not remember anything else.
can this apply to bad games too? Last of us 2 does something like this and its the worst
"It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with.
It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are dead."
Yup. The worst killer is the Hollywood Cash Machine (tm). It will never stop, until all lovely franchises are DEAD.
Say hi to Alien and Predator on your way down..
Prometheus was a great movie, it just wasn't Alien. It was a separate movie set in the same universe, with expanded horizons. It introduced philosophical themes that you practically never see in american cinema, and the mood was set expertly, as one would expect from Scott.
Realistically speaking, neither Alien nor T2 were likely to get sequels that were as good or better. That just doesn't happen often. Unlike what you see in other media, most movie franchises are one hit wonders. There are endless examples of great sequels in the realm of books or videogames, but in movies not so much.
Sequels that basically recreate the original (e.g. T3, Genysis, Dark Fate) obviously fail to amaze the way the original did, since they're merely imitating something great years later. Meanwhile, sequels that try to take the franchise in new directions tend to be hated by the audience for daring to be any different from the original, regardless of the film's objective quality. It's a kneejerk psychological reaction from people but it's not inevitable, since you can do a good job of rehashing an old movie (or a bad job of trying to introduce new things). That's why T2 took off the way it did; despite being relatively similar to The Terminator, it was crafted so masterfully that nobody cared. And on the other side of that coin, while I thought Prometheus was a more than worthy successor to Alien (again, while being its own movie and not just a repeat of Alien), I hated Salvation. I thought it was a badly written movie full of plotholes and a terrible combination of drawn out boring scenes and overly spastic action scenes.
I suggest you look up the videos that certain youtubers have done on Prometheus, especially regarding the original script. "Kroft talks about movies" has dozens of videos on the topic. That content should give you a clearer idea of what Prometheus really was. It's not an 'easy' movie. It's not nearly as accessible as the average blockbuster, and it certainly isn't without its flaws. I don't deny the flaws it does have. But a lot of the issues that mainstream youtubers have with it are actually total misconceptions. Several aspects of the movie went over most peoples' heads. Deliberate vagueness was misinterpreted as weak writing. It's not. The movie is just more philosophical compared to its peers.
And Star Wars... and Ghostbusters...and James Bond from what I hear.
Not just franchises. Even the so called "universes". The MCU has had its zenith, bunch of woke coming its way now to burn it to the ground. The Arrowverse has been on the woke train for a long time and this new Batwoman garbage might just be the last nail in the coffin.
@@madelaki it was good, too bad it was teased as a FUCKING PREQUEL TO ALIEN.
@@Oakshield2 i mean, at least video games are still good...
"I've got it! He'll grow a conscience and feel bad for killing John, then start a family, live in a log cabin where he enjoys watching football and drinking Corona, open a drapery business and call himself Carl! It can't fail!"
chris young *does another line of coke*
He's from the future. He knew to self isolate.
@Romano Coombs your comment is worth a googleplex likes..
"Caaaaaaarl... why did you kill these people, Carl?!"
"Probably because I'm a dangerous cyborg assassin with a long history of violence. I don't understand how you keep forgetting that."
Sarah: A Terminator has just killed your whole family, what do you do?
Danny: *Cries for 3 hours straight*
Reasonable.
lol looks like everyone watched the same torrent by the guy blocking the screen up when john connor dies
@@ryu411 bro what?
First Name Last Name Bro, learn to read and cogitate on a comment...
@@ryu411 I'm sorry?
The point of the joke is because none of that happened. Immediately family died, and Danni was told to not mourne by Sarah, and . . . She did as she was told. The shooting scene has Sarah propose a scenario of Dan's family dying, you know, that thing that happened. In the movie, Danni uses that to make her angry, and shoot better. The joke here is that the obvious reaction of someone being reminded about their freshly dead immediate family is to cry your eyes out. Now I am explaining the joke. I do not understand why I had to do that.
"You can't use a spoon to cut pizza"
You're just not trying hard enough
next time I have to cut a pizza I'm using a spoon out of spite
Behold the power of the grapefruit spoon!
carl was not a good charecter arnie said terminator 4 sucked yeah right terminators 5 and dark fate were pure trashfre and garbage he should have been in 4 but said no
“If you don’t appreciate women, you need to have sex” is one of the most backhandedly sexist things I think I’ve ever heard.
Its pretty bad. Its basically like. "Oh, you don't like women? Go fuck one and then you'll like them because one of a woman's best qualities is her pussy."
It totally is but I also wonder if that retweet assumed Jay was an incel?
Bonefetcher Brimley why are you assuming said person had sex with a female? I mean men can be women so? How is it sexist?
I’m glad I’m not the only one who thought this lmao
@@iamaunicorn1232 Just like everyone that watched Joker apparently.
every new Terminator movie basically goes "ANY MOVIE AFTER 2 ISN'T CANON, THIS IS THE TRUE THIRD MOVIE NOW."
Sad.
Its like they're creating alternate universes
Ironic that Terminator was originally inspired by Halloween.... which
already had the same problem years ago.
If I'm to have a T3 I'd prefer it to be multiple choice...
That one dude who posted stuff Hope they keep going because this still ain’t the third one, just a knockoff
I hate it when the driving force in movies is "These scenes MUST happen, so lets make excuses for them" instead of "This story inherently creates good scenes"
Yep
so...
the last jedi in a nutshell...
@@ccateni28 For some reason I knew someone was gonna bring up TLJ here even though it doesn't make any sense at all.
That first example is literally every bad writer ever, and the most common source of plotholes.
@@TheSorrel Go read some Star Wars books....
Thinking about an idea for an actual Terminator 3:
What if John, rather than being the leader of a resistance group, was the leader of a group of terrorists. My thought process is that with how Sarah Conner was traumatized by her encounter with a Terminator, John went through a similar experience, and ended up being paranoid that something like the Terminators and skynet might happen again, leading him to be paranoid, and using his leadership skills to become a charismatic terrorist that wages war on tech corporations or something along those line.
This leads to a company/government/thing, making a more weak dollar store terminator to hunt down John and take both him out, which would lead to his group falling apart, coming full circle and having John getting taken out by a Terminator an arguably good thing.
This isn't a perfect idea, as I have to ignore the major fact that John had a good relationship with a single Terminator, which might affect my idea. It would also be controversial to kill John, which is a problem, but as long as it doesn't feel too forced, it can hopefully work with people
I love this idea!
This, OR my idea I had of sending a Terminator back to say, mid 1800s or early 1900s or even earlier, the fuck are they going to do against a walking tank? Send the Terminator to a set point waaaay far back that you can take out their family line and any other resistance leaders and making sure the lines of those who created it are safe.
I really would have loved if this movie was about a future evil AI sending a terminator back to protect its creator (the mexican girl), the human resistance sending Grace back to kill that same creator, and Sarah Connor trying to figure out how to handle the resulting moral dilemma.
jack agjonraw fuck that would have been hella dope
Would've been infinitely more interesting. Just cut out John Connor dying (since he wouldn't be relevant to this specific story) and it's a solid movie.
I KNOW RIGHT
more like t- 1000 is send back to protect dyson., and skynet is on the defence and securing judgement day on time and exactly happening full circle. Sarah and john try to resolve the dilema of killing dyson and dyson in the end gets motivated in finishing skynet program because of the failed murder attempt.
script writers should have though of this and not we have deep fake to reimage t-2
@@Operator214MerchantMarine or maybe John Connor and Sarah travel to the future
I stil don't understand the need for Grace's metabolism to be ultra-high? Like she's a cyborg. Wouldn't the entire reason for her having a power source be so that her augmentations wouldn't fry her metabolic system?
Exactly
It’s to give her a vulnerability while being still able to convincingly fight the Rev 9. If she was just keeping up with it all the time without any drawback then there wouldn’t be much tension.
@@TheDirtysouthfan Was there really any tension when the first time she comes across the Rev 9 she kicks its ass in the most cartoonish fashion?
Hey, remember good films?
...Yeah, i remember good films.
@@TheDirtysouthfan
It doesn't work because every time she clash with him, she easily beat his ass. This doesn't add any tension.
Hollywood is like; "Women can be strong and tough... if they only have a short bowl haircut.
wow.. imagine knowing badass women who only have bowl cuts lol loser
That's LITERALLY tha reason why Ann Lewis has short hair in RoboCop AND so we don't think of her as a potential love interest for Murphy which is actually regressive in each instant|
It’s supposed to be conventional for combat purposes. That’s why people in the army have to get their hair either shaved or cut shorter.
@@reansooney Not all armies.
In scandinavia females can keep their length as is, so it makes no difference to me.
Either way, imo, that haircut style is rather, very ugly.
Bald is better than that. Ugh.
@@reansooney well.. as long as you tie your hair up and can fit under your helmet.
Also I thought I’ve seen women in the US military who had their hair back in buns.
If the movie was really called "Terminator: Garbage" then I think more people would appreciate the fact that it's being honest.
Scene opens on a dump truck backing up, beeping.
A hand wearing a dirty glove roughly grabs a black bag in the foreground.
Fade out.
_"In the distant future..."_
A transgender Asian woman (they did guy, girl, white, brown, now they need to check off the next box on the virtue-signal bingo card) hops onto the back of the truck as it drives away.
A sinister-looking person eyes her from the sidewalk. Eyes which suddenly begin to glow red.
_"Garbage..."_
Gunshots and running and explosions!
_"is..."_
Our Chosen Sanitation Expert holds a bazooka. Camera does that dolly-zoom trick.
_"FATE."_
Fade to black. "Terminator: Garbage" fades in behind fog that we soon realize is the smell rising from a row of trash cans.
and it would still be a better movie than Twilight, sorry, Terminator:DarkFate, probably.
I’m calling it now. The next terminator film will have “the strongest terminator ever made”
And it will be a gay woman realistically. Marketing at its finest.
Yea I can't wait for Terminator 3
@@dioniscaraus6124 not just a gay woman, but a black one too
The next Terminator will be Trans...LOL
Don't forget it will also be disabled but has a deadly wheel chair that shoots fire out of it wheels.
Riddle me this: why did they kill John and not have him grow up as a normal man and has a daughter in Mexico (Dani) and since she is younger she is to become the savior of mankind. Since John would know how to deal with terminators and being Dani's father he is her protector throughout the movie from REV-9 (not Grace)?
As good as your story would be they couldn't do that because John would have had to impregnate a woman. You'd have millions of little sperm Conners swimming through an apocalyptic environment, battling each other to reach the egg in time before its kicked out of it's accomodation and dies. The egg, which just sits there as a passive damsel in distress participant of fertilisation wouldn't convey the message this film is trying to give the audience. lol
@@halezy9681 sorry wut?
Yeah you guys joke but the answer literally is that white males are no longer allowed to be good guys.
@@PARAN0IDxGERBIL I disagree. They're just terrible writers trying to make a quick easy buck and didn't care to think that far ahead. But obviously their political beliefs drove the narrative of this film. They are also horrible writers. Did I mention that already?
Pretty much because there looking for a strong female character....nah just they wanted to wreck one of the besr characters in a film....i.e sarah connor
Yeah I chose my fate, I didn’t watch this film
Too bad for you, because the movie was actually great.
@@robertjohn6104 Well, I like it. Are you gonna cry again?
@@robertjohn6104 Good
@@VickyWlt "movie was great" ? It's because of dumbasses like you that Hollywood always fails to meet upto the expectations of the fans while staying true to the the pre sequels of the previous franchise films with pure logic.
Your so-called "good film" is burning like wildfire all throughout the Internet, so better save your opinions to yourself in confidential
@@JackFrostIsHere Relax
The crazy part is the original two terminators showed women empowerment, sarah connor was the main character it was her journey, john would be nothing without her the main focus is of her development and how she ultimately saves the world.
Yeah and this one is INCREDIBLY TONE DEAF if it thinks that what Sarah took away from that whole experience was, "I'm not important, it's my womb..." 🙄🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀🤦♀
"Choose your fate"
Movie kills John Connor
*So you have chosen death*
M8 I almost chocked on my coffee xD
"Just in case you're not a Terminator fan bit are watching this anyway."
*Starts sweating*
I have never even seen a terminator movie XD
@@Maxgamer-fd7hv Watch one and two, they're great. Every movie after that is a shameless cash grab, and should be avoided.
bit
T3 WAS THE BEST TERMINATOR OUT OF ALL OF THEM. T1 IS A CLOSE 2ND AND T2 SUCKED ASS.
You got me there!
=D
John: Uncle Bob?
T-800: Who the hell is Uncle Bob?
*shoots John*
Im pissed at that intro but that definitely lightened the mood, thank you
😂😂
@ur mom Yeah, legit the intro is just the T-800 casually strolling up to John and shooting him in the fucking chest, and that happened in the first 5 minutes
I'm happy it happened saved me from wasting my money and time on this film
@Steven Young yep, definitely looking forward to that. And also, seeing Tim Miller's response to his "decision making" for the film, just shows how much of a lazy writer he is. No wonder why he got fired from Deadpool 2
Gotta say it, Terminator 3 looks better and better with the passage of time.
I think salvation is the best sequel to T2
Seeing Sarah's emotional reaction to the end of the world in T2 juxtaposed with the description of her reaction in this film really highlights the insidious prevailing idea of making "strong characters" that ends up perverting even basic elements of human characterization. The model of a "strong character" ends up being this hollow and stilted idealized aesthetic that characters are forced into in a manner that degrades both them and the overall story. And it's so damn pervasive these days.
Stilted dialogues and wooden characters pretending to sound human and failing miserably at it?
It’s almost like they come from cynical corporate products pretending to be cinematic and failing miserably at it.
Yeah, it sucks that every time a film wants to show a character as “strong” they default to “emotionless dick”.
@Raul Garcia ThAt WhIcH dOeS nOt KiLl YoU...
@@charmandyorton006 The corporations were the real terminators all along!
I know what you mean. Writing a strong female character isn't hard... The first problem people have with it is they're a female character... When a character can be summed up with "they're a girl" or "they're a Mexican" or "they're the gay one" that isn't a character at all.
When writing any type of "strong character" you should focus on their weakness and build up more of that throughout as they slowly overcome it. Sarah Conner in Terminator 2 was hell-bent on stopping the future to the point where she would commit a murder. But then when it came down to it she wasn't able to do it. This was a powerful moment in the show.
Knowing that if you pull the trigger you could end the future but at the loss of yourself.
Writing a character at all shouldn't be hard. No one should be perfect and flawless.
You shouldn't make a "strong female character." You should make a "strong character" that is female.
I liked Salvation because it was bold enough to actually depict the Future War. I think it got a bad rap for not having the iconic plasma rifles, and for the subplot with Marcus that distracted away from John a bit too much, but it was a step in the right direction. One or two more movies with Christian Bale would have closed the time loop and ended with John sending Kyle back in time -- like they were sitting on a golden formula and just gave up on it for no reason.
"the subplot with Marcus"? Don't you mean the movie's main plot?
The trailer showing the twist also kind of shat on the thing.
That was one of those "The trailer ruined the movie" moments. Kind of.
I always heard people say how shit Salvation was (around when the license game came out, I remember people saying Salvation was "the shitty Terminator"), but I saw it for the first time when it came on TV, and it honestly wasn't half bad.
The color palette was sort of annoying, the super harsh "cool" vibes it was giving didn't really sit well/it felt like they were trying too much, and the whole idea behind Marcus was kind of goofy.
But overall, I found it pretty entertaining, maybe more than T3.
@@shotgunmasterQL It feels like a masterpiece now, compared to the Terminator films we've gotten since then, lol
the actor who played young Kyle Reese made me hate the film ao much that I really didn't want to finish it. I know he's dead now IRL, kinda fitting he got killed by a machine though.
They missed an opportunity to make Arnold a human character.. Say we find out that he was an important role in the war against the machines. Tech expert. Weapons expert. Whatever. But he’s an ally to John in the future war. John realized Skynet used his image to try and infiltrate his military bases. (Hence why they have the models mainly based off Arny). Since they changed the future (judgement day is happening later) the human Arnold doesn’t get involved in the war in this new timeline. They could use Arnold as a human character. Adds to the suspense because he could actually die. But no we get the genisys plot again except that genisys did the terminator storyline better somehow....
Edit: anyone ever see the first “Tremors” movie? Arnold should basically portray his character like the character Burt. Gun fanatic who’s eager to show us his military skills.
Bruce Wayne you mean except
Bruce Wayne (when genisys is *somehow* better)
That would be pretty good and smart. Which is why they are never going to do it.
he is a human character, william candy.
Bruce, you're on the wrong universe.
Sarah is not even just a person who shaped John..she is the key figure in preventing Judgement day. In both movies T1 and T2 she is the most important figure.
In T:Garbage this character is just humiliated.
*Arnold T-800 after killing a child:* "i wonder if there are any good schools in the area for my kids."
And he just somehow grew a conscience even though Terminator 2 explicitly stated that you need to reset his CPU which Skynet locked so he wouldn't think too much for himself.
This movie was beyond terrible.
I read this woth arnie voice in my mind.
They should have just let him call himself "Gunther".
d 2306 Gunther movie is epic compared to dark pate
When you see a key character get killed immediately the first thing in a sequel, the story and movie is going to suck. Think Aliens 3.
Or Mortal Kombat; Annihilation
And recently with The Last Of Us Part 2
You are absolutely right. They killed off Newt and that just killed the whole movie mood for me. Now, John buys it and I'm ready to flip the channel to a soccer game.
Just like X-men 3
The last jedi
T-800 *After Watching "Dark Fate": "I know now why you cry." xD
Duuugghhhh Nuuuhhh Nuuuhhhh... nnnnnnuh nnnnnuhh nnnuuuuuuh.... sad terminator music continues playing
"Its something I can never do"
Make a good terminator sequel?
"yes"
Hahahaaaah!
or - selfdestructionsequenceinitiated... faster!
*Ecks dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee dee*
How to fix most of the movie with one change: John Conner lives and Skynet (or some new kind of machine threat) can't track him so it sends a terminator back in time to kill the person who saves John in the future, Dani.
NOW THAT should've been the movie.
But it still destroys the "choose your own fate theme"
@@MilanousMedia I mean, not necessarily. These are movies about time travel, and with time travel you can always come up with an explanation for why Terminators are still being sent to the past. It could be that the new terminators are being sent by the Skynet from the time before Sarah and John stopped Judgement Day because "time is a circle, not a flat line" or something like that. Or use the same reason used in Dark Fate to explain why a Terminator killed John: Skynet just sent a bunch of terminators to different points and times and they remained there even after Skynet was destroyed; you could say one or more of those terminatos had the mission to kill Dani, who (in the future that now will never happen) saved John from something, or taught him something that he would later use to fight against Skynet, idk, let's just say she had an important role in John's life. This way you have a reason to have John not be in the movie, they could just say he's hiding somewhere because there still are terminators going after him, and Sarah's out there hunting them down and that's how she end ups meeting Dani, and then you could go full circle having Sarah protecting a young naive girl in a more small scale low budget adventure like T1 was.
Sorry, I had an intrusive thought when you mentioned Sarah Conner telling Dani "a terminator just killed your whole family" and just imagined Dani breaking down and killing herself, ending the plot.
You dont need to say sorry for that
Still a better storyline than dark fate
@@ninjafrog6966 would be interesting. A “John Connor” as the movie puts it that doesn’t want to live and instead kill themselves, causing skynet or whatever to win.
Arnold Schwarzenegger in the first movie: I'll be back...
Arnold Schwarzenegger in the latest movie: ouch my back!
Please Arnold don't come back.
Anyone know the song at 27:54?
I'm wheezing
@@jet100a still waiting for the answer
@@damienb99 yep, I'll be forever sad :(
The terminator-Awesome movie
Terminator 2-Best one of all
Terminator 3-Not as good as the first 2 but the best of the sequels after 2
Terminator salvation-interesting idea, terrible trailers
Terminator genisys-interesting ideas, horrible execution
Terminator dark fate-a giant slap in the face to any of the fans
The Terminator-Masterpiece
Terminato 2-Masterpiece
Terminator 3-Misunderstood
Terminator Salvation-Underrated
Terminator Genisys-Awful
Terminator Dank fart- Succ my metal cocc
T1>T2
Hey, remember good films?
...Yeah, i remember good films.
...
I reckon T2 is a great movie, but a terrible sequel. A big thing in T1 was that fate was inevitable, while it's the opposite in T2. T1 is essentially a horror movie, with a sci-fi monster that they can't really hurt; while T2 is an action movie with a secondary protagonist that can just about go toe-to-toe with the antagonist. There are also minor points, like how the liquid metal man shouldn't have been able to time travel since he has no skin.
It feels more like a separate movie that was heavily inspired by T1, rather than an actual sequel.
i think Terminator 1 was better than Terminator 2. The original was a horror movie for adults. The sequel was a family movie.
I love how none of these comments are about how Jay's way of introducing Grace is "She radiates top energy" and thats 100% true
Full terminator timeline explained
*Start*
1. The terminator
2. Terminator 2
*The end*
I like the third and fourth, its hard to follow up the best terminator movie but i believe they have their place espically bc i love cristian bale in the fourth one
P O W E R - R E D - B U L L salvation wasn’t bad
Terminator Genisys was awesome it happens between T1 an T2 following the events of what happens after T3 ends john tries to alter and change the future differently from the original time line and sends the t-800 to Sarah way before she was an adult to protect her a raise her....
The Terminator. That's all for me. The final battle was in 1984.
@@Pumpkinhead77 What do you not like about T2?
*”oh no... t i d d i e s”*
lol Jay you’re the best
*oh yes t i d d i e s
Breasts aren’t a bad thing tho. Embracing them is a perfectly natural, healthy and normal thing to do... unlike combining politics with escapist entertainment.
And Jay claims he isnt gay...
@squelette fainéants Okay, the fanservice was definitely bad, but the breasts themselves weren't the problem
Charmandy Orton
*Embracing them*
James Cameron, the guy who criticized Marvel for making so many superhero movies.
Proceeds to make Avatar and Terminator sequels.
He was also the guy who complained how Hicks and Newt were killed in a cheap way for Alien 3...before killing John Connor in an even cheaper way.
I agree with terminator but he really needs to finish Avatar very soon. Also I think he didn't direct this movie
Tim Miller directed that
@@thetextbookgamer And James Cameron produced that. That's what I meant by making new movies. Because he is funding it
You think he only funded them because it was in his contract? Because at this point, I wouldn't be surprised given the overall mess that Hollywood is.
A major thing that always irritated me about this film is that in the original Terminator, Kyle Reese is scared of the T800 and there's always that sense of suspense when they fight.
In Dark Fate, however, they were so determined to push the "strong female hero" trope that Grace isn't in the least bit threatened by the Terminator at any point and in fact spends the entire film beating it into the ground, meaning there's absolutely no suspense whenever they fight because you know she's automatically going to win.
Yep. Almost like everyone in hollywood seems to have forgotten that IF YOUR CHARACTER IS INVINCIBLE, YOUR AUDIENCE CAN'T RELATE, AND WILL THEREFORE NOT CARE.
It's basic story writing, what the heck?? Every single Marvel movie is so freaking boring to me because of this.
"We need more strong female leads because there have been none until now"
...Hmm, so Sarah Connor didnt exist in T2 then? Interesting.
Let's stop pretending that people were actually going to Terminator movies for her character. Case in point Dark Flop.
Nor Ellen Ripley. Hollywood only figured it out now. Not in the 80's because that would ruin their narrative.
Nor....checks notes...500 other strong female characters/heroes in movies.
Did it really need that second sentence, spoon-feeding it to the readers?
Dan Hitchman Ripley and Sarah are not the only true strong fictional women. Xena, Buffy, Clarice Sterling, Dana Scully, Aeryn Sun, are other good examples.
I'm confused. In Judgment Day, Sarah and John needed to reset the CPU of the T-800, in order to give him the ability to learn freely. And now another T-800 spends decades as a happy family man.
Is that the reason why the film makers invented Legion? Because they couldn't work around Skynet blocking that damned switch?
You are overthinking it. It's not supposed to make sense. This movie is made for idiots.
Glad im not the only one who noticed this huge logic gap!
@@fermentedcakesyou mean TraDiTiOnaL ReVieWeRs?
The ultimate lesson of the terminator franchise: IT IS HOPELESS. NEVER DREAM
Holy shit what are you doing here?! Love your content man, keep it up 👍
"Hope is but a prelude to disappointment."-Imperial Guardsman of the Astra Militarum.
Oh it’s that guy I know that guy he’s the guy who makes videos
Yeah, hope, anger and will (to obey for example) are most time pointless. Will will help to get hired, not further. Anger is just you loosing power if you do it without justification. Hope is meh, you can believe and and get used and lied.
@Bonefetcher Brimley I’m seeing so many 40K references across the internet these days. Is the 40K fan base increasing?
If I’m Linda Hamilton, you couldn’t pay me anything to ruin such an iconic role. Go to show how Hollywood has little to no standard.
To be fair, James Cameron is responsible for this hot mess. Linda only did it because he was directing it. I was so stoked when they 1st announced this movie, but after watching it, I was crushed. Sara went from a sexy, toned, kick a$$ warrior to a drunk. FU James Cameron.
"Dear God, can you solve the middle east problem?"
"I can't do that."
"Then, can you make a Terminator movie as good as the first two?"
"En......hand me that world map!"
Clever😁👍
NOW THAT sounds like motivation.
Now if we could just learn why that Satan chappy could reach Eden at all...
Joking or not, this is a literal impossible task lol people watched because of Arnold, he is getting old. Time travel can easily be fucked up (and they fucked it up royally). There's nowhere to run.
Which Middle East problem
@@gionnivillalobos7112
All of them
How did the new Terminator find John Connor? It's established that most pre-war records were destroyed, that's why the Terminator was randomly killing people named Sarah Connor in T1 and why the T-1000 had to look up police records to find John in T2.
So how does the new Terminator find John? Sarah would have been smart enough to use fake names and live off the grid. There would have been no way for the Terminator to track John down.
Because plot contrivance
Oh well, it's simple. John Connor was in the way of the story since he is an action hero but this is a comedy movie. As such they couldn't have John or else the story wouldn't be funny and hilarious.
Yes. I like to pretend that this movie was made as a comedy as a joke. Coping is far easier that way.
According to what you see on the 1st 5 minutes of the movie, Sarah thought it was over and there was no need to go off-the Grid. Now, if Skynet never appeared and Legion took its place...there might be records IF it was not destroyed. What I don't get is the idea of a T-800 appearing then. No Skynet, no T-800.
@marcus24000 Or probably at the moment Arnie went into the fire pit.
@@peposo7 Except that idea doesn't work because Sarah and John would be fugitives on the run, given the fact they just destroyed Cyberdyne and shot up a bunch of police, and Sarah escaped from a mental institution and was considered connected to the 1984 police killings. They successfully averted Skynet taking over, but they would never lead normal lives again.
*Summary:* _This movie doesn't need to exist..._
Like anything made after T2
A few things might happen.
1. This is it... Terminators over, this killed the the series
2. Another Reboot will happen retconning this movie, and will probably suck too.
3. Something *worse*
@@andryuu_2000 at least salvation tried something different
@Cian Abroad I've seen many modern-day reboots/continuations that pick up stories that ended perfectly, destroy the happiness and achievements of the old characters, and leave them, the world, and the story in a worse place than where they were found. Those sorts of stories are the epitome of things that have no purpose in existing...
According to the game Terminator: Resistance. It doesn't. At the end of the game three terminators have been sent to the past, the T-800 sent to kill Sera, the T-1000 sent to kill John, and a third terminator to kill your character.
"Whoa, did you just cut a fly in half right out of the air? Not gonna lie, that was pretty awesome! Anyway, what was this bullshit about robots from the future?"
“Just in case you are not a terminator fan but are watching this anyway for some reason”
HEY THAT’S ME
Kyle Volkman I just watch all of jay’s videos no matter what
I was fan... I was😥.
@@mar-uv1ri I pretended the first two didn't exist and nearly killed myself.
Try to word your sentences more clearly.
That made me feel personal called out.
Of all the comments I want to make this is the one I'm going with.
After mission completion the T800 would either just stand there or(more likely) revert to its previous programming, ie. killing any and all humans it can see.
The T800 even responds to John in T2 when he remarks he was going to kill "That guy" with "Of course, I'm a Terminator"...
Can't these people read the script or at least watch the film before adding to its universe???
That would make too much sense
@@dekudude8888 Very true
@@paulkielty8385 i agree he would just de activate until needed
The old T2 books actually had an answer to what a Terminator is programmed to do when it's completed it's time mission - Ghost the Skynet project and do what it can to make sure it's successful.
By that logic, Sarah Connor should be as ventilated as John, and Skynet would have definitely happened, meaning no Legion.
Another optione would be the t-800 destroying or hiding itself to hide the evidence. It going on a rampage would just alert everyone to the possible future.
Sarah is like a drunk trailer park grandma in this movie.
@You Wish High on what?
@AKUJIRULE Lol. If I was her, I would've refused to do that part about how she thought GPS could be blocked with plastic chip packets.
Must have been written by a dude.
Terminator: The check cleared
@@ryann8680 TERMINATOR: *PAY DAY*
dundundunduhdun
When I was young, Sarah Connor exiting the room she'd been held in was a scene that caught my imagination for a character setting off on a purposeful journey. It is the scene I associate with this franchise more than the terminator even.. I'm glad I haven't seen this film. I'm not quite ready for that hero to die just to get some "female hero", like making millions by beginning with billions.
_"Making millions by beginning with billions."_
This will now forever hereafter be the phrase i use to explain what hollywood is doing.
well, the franchise has been terminated.
(Drum roll)
@@Puki9117 do you mean rimshot?
*cue laugh track*
(puts on sunglasses)
*Hasta la vista, baby*
Wow another bad terminator movie I’m so surprised
I put down agreements with this video.
Metoo!!!
All Might should I color in your surprise, it doesn’t look quite like it’s coming through 👹
see if for yourself
Will never understand why the fans put so much hope tbh.
Just watch Sarah Conner Chronicles.
Dani: Mexican and Nice
Hope: Uh...female..cyborg...good person?
Sarah: Was in the old movies.
T-8Arnold: Was in the old movies and now has “Da Feels”.
New Terminator: Is Mexican and has abilities that it’ll forget when it would be wise to use them.
Such well-developed and well-fleshed-out characters
They're no deeper than your first impression.
@Channel Zero Honestly, I sometimes think these writers really just think the world is *this* black and white and there's no personality in anyone apart from their sex, race, and political party.
Remember how much CGI they needed to make Arnold look like a killer cyborg?
... Yeah, i was kidding with that, they used a water&vaseline spray to make his skin look less human, mercury street-lights to give the shots a colder and more 'robotic' look, and some simple acting tricks like, the Terminator moving his eyes before his head because that's what robots would do, because robots are efficient.
...
*HEY, REMEMBER WHEN OLD TERMINATOR HEAD-BUTTED A SKYBORNE HELICOPTER BY JUMPING OUT OF A PLANE IN ORDER TO DESTROY IT?*
(and people wonder why the new movies are shit.)
@@charmandyorton006 seems to be a trend now a days, you know?just get a bunch of women and races in there and it will be a great movie right?
“The rock” would be a perfect terminator
🤨
Dark Fate is just THE WORST Gillette ad I’ve EVER seen.
wow you are so manly
Oscar Rubio thank you, wiener 🤣
@@andreshernandez1180 Terminator 2 actually talks about men says all men how to create is death. This one doesn't talk about men
Osmosis Jones is this your first time reading a joke? Do you not have those on your planet? And nice grammar btw 👍🏻
@@osmosisjones4912 - no, Sarah Connor says that, the movie as a whole does not.
"I'll just live a normal human life. *Because that's how software works* ."
I dieded.
At there weren't any nukes . Just a shut down of our technology.
I like how every time a female-led movie comes out. They pretend like there were no other famous female action Stars prior to the last 5 years
I dont no does termsntior have frie teuck?
Even though it stars Linda Hamilton in the first place.
Dark fate was just feminist horseshit. Because Hollywood hasn't learned that being "woke" is not profitable.
@@thatguy22441 Movie: We have to female main characters, one of which is a returning Character who is a fan favorite.
Retarded anti-sjws: *autistic screeching*
Possibly Cake-Tier Debater Don’t forget “and then proceeds to make a god-awful movie involving said main characters and fan favorite.”
The other thing weird about Sarah not expecting anything special out of the new main character is she was a night clubbing waitress in the first movie. She knows this shit flips your world and your skill sets upside down. She just wanted to take unnecessary pot shots at the MECHANIC who couldn't possibly have any useful skills in the upcoming MACHINE WAR.
Now we got a trilogy of bad Terminator movies.
Thanks James Cameron
He got the trilogy he was asking for...
@@bobtom1495 Hollywood´s slavery cost them their creativity.
@Gordy Skymop We wanted a film trilogy about peoples´relationship with terminators but we did not realize then that that is impossible because nuclear weapons can never work in reality. Basically these are just dark fantasy sci fi films about ghosts.
Now we have more bad ones than good ones.
@@owenwilkinson3949 True all thanks to James and Miller the hack
Salvation is definitely the best sequel post-T2. The movie is pretty average, but at least it isn't complete trash unlike the others. It at least did something new and focused on the future war, and wasn't hell-bent on retconning all the good Terminator story arcs via time travel.
Amen, brother.
It was also brilliant finally seeing adult John Connor after having him hyped up so much.
is that the one with Christian Bale as John?
@@applehack97 yep.
I remember the action of that movie, and the twist in the middle is honestly sick
T1: Amazing
T2: The best of all
T3: I'll take it
T4: Ahhh now they listened
T5: *Laughs* You serious?
T6: Uhhhhhhhh noooooo just god awful
T3 wasnt all bad
I enjoyed T3. But yes, it should have went from T2 to T4.
T1-The sci fi GOAT
T2-The heir apparent
T3-Rehash of T2 albeit not quite as good
T4-Now we’re back on track in progressing through the entire story
T5-OK as a comedy
T6-OK if you’re drunk
PS Why go after John in ‘98 well after what they knew was judgement day was my #1 issue.. I’m good with keeping the first four canon if they find a way to patch it
Nothing after 2 was good.
Salvation was pretty good
I drink and I hunt Terminators.
Tyrion Connor - Game of Terminators.
I thought you were joking when you said that after stopping Skynet, the threat is now Legion - a Skynet with e different name...
What a joke
Michał Kurowski Such a creative new name too...
*i WiLl NoT lEt YoU uShEr In An ErA oF mAcHiNeS*
Does this unit have a soul?
@@jasapotato8362
The film certainly doesn't.
It's not even an interesting
Jnet is perfect because it implies an all encompassing program, something endless and global. Legion just sounds like they picked the name to sound sort scary or some shit.
Geode. I'm as sad for GoT fans as I am for Terminator fans. Sorry everything you love is being destroyed.
I submit Star Trek to the list. Also, gold-pressed geodes.
And don’t forget Star Wars...
Don't forget Ghostbusters either.
Its been this way since after the second film, we are used to it.
Alien too.
Wait wait. If they killed John Conner why the hell are they still sending terminators in time again ? Isn’t Sarah Conner hunting terminators after John was killed? Terminators are coming through time to kill who exactly?
Maybe they were all sent simultaneously to different time zones to try to kill John wherever/whenever possible.
@@lucasoheyze4597 Makes more sense than this new AI developing terminators that are identical to the ones that skynet made and sending those to kill the new saviour character.
You're thinking that's the problem
I asked the same question...😖
Plot holes
They retconned the last three while making all of the major mistakes that they made.
Fuckin brilliant.
Also
Sarah Conner, after remembering all the liquid terminators she killed with a shotgun.. heads down to finish off the liquid metal terminator with a shotgun.
“It’s your womb”
Aghhhhhhh stop it
When Carl said he desired purpose I laughed out loud
to me terminator ended with terminator 4 the one directed by mcg and terminator 3 2 and 1
@@thereturnofdarthcaedus ^^^^^^^
i actually hated terminator dark fate no joke either
Is this Hamilton's equivalent to Jaws the Revenge? "Never seen it, but I've seen the house it paid for!" -Linda
Hahaha I can respect that. Good for her!
One can only hope she took after Michael Caine after having read the script.
Linda Hamilton in this role looks like a cracked-out Jane Lynch.
She was the hottest action babe around in T2, hotter than even Halle Berry or Michelle Yeoh. Unfortunately, her lifelong smoking habit caught up with her around age 50. (Condolences for her identical twin sister).
@@geordischmidt That gravel throat kicked in way earlier than that lol, ever see Children of the Corn? She sounds just as bad in that as she does now. She must have quit for a while cuz in T2 she don't sound bad at all.
Looking back at T3 and it seems like a masterpiece now.
koonteriskool lol
@Stang5.0 killsya While T3 shits on the "we managed to stop judgement day" from T2 .. it was interesting in presenting judgement day as an unavoidable event because it had "allready happent" , meaning John Connor existance was entirely dependant on Skynet sending a Terminator to kill his mother and the former sending kyle Reese to protect her.. avoiding judgement day presented a paradox on John's existance and the terminators actions and T3 directly adressed that by going the way that its not a paradox because you cant stoped since it allready happent..and while unpleasant and a downer it took the guts to end the movie with judgement day even despite John 's constant and desperate tried to stop it and how it finally sinks in him at the very end that what the Terminator had told him : you cant stop it..
Terminator Salvation was interesting in that it took part during the war wich is quite unexplored territory.. (why) and Genesis and Dark Fate are just unwanted go nowhere franchise ruiners
You have a short memory, T3 is shiiiiiiite
@Stang5.0 killsya salvation and dark fate are about the same, t3 and Genisys are the worst
I actually just watched T3 again and I have more respect for it. It wasn't that bad in retrospect. That chick terminator is a fucking beast. Hot as hell but a murderer like the t1000.
I actually brought this film when the DVD was first realized
I thought the trailers looked cool and Terminator is a good film so I got it
when the movie finished I immediately regretted buying the DVD due to how bad the movie was
That awkward moment when you realize Dani the Mexican girl is actually 32 years old and older than Grace and her brother Diego....
If they added Terminators with Dora
@@dubravkapavic794 do you see the T-800? Where?
@@dubravkapavic794 true to real life, in mexico the daughter is also the mother
U lying I thought she was younger then her brother
She also isn’t actually Mexican which is the most insulting part if you ask me
The terminator is literal perfection
“It will be when it’s a woman “
🤣🤣🤣
Shit that's good.
👏👏👏👏👏👏🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😁😊
@Lassi Kinnunen it was a referance to Batwoman. She says that exact line about the bat suit and it just comes kinda bitchy and sexist.
@Lassi Kinnunen They ran out of ideas. I wanted a sequel to Salvation.
Terminator: I’ll be back.
Me: Please no. We’ve had enough of your terrible movies.
Found the triggered soyboy! 😂
@Snehil Shrey ?
@@Jolis_Parsec Jay hates this movie too you know?
Smith Wesson You misunderstood the intent of my post, sorry. It was directed at that Snehil Shrey soyboy for running his mouth about oldschool fans of the Terminator franchise in the comments section.
@@Jolis_Parsec I don't see it
"We want this to be a new trilogy."
"Well your trilogy has just been terminated before it had a chance to grow... just like John."
Last Jedi was really disappointing.
Dark Fate: "Hold both of my beers."
I liked the last Jedi
@@dayalasingh5853 It was a dumpster fire, but I suppose some people like a good hot stinking mess.
@@robr135 I respectfully disagree
@@dayalasingh5853 It was garbage my man.
@@tea-tea-t I continue to respectfully disagree
I wish Grace got injured more in the film. Like, the only time she's in a critical state is when she hasn't had her daily 8 glasses of water or sumshit.
The fight scenes woulda had me if she got blooped in the face JUST *once or twice* , but no... Apparently she's more perfect at fighting than a fucking AI. But, oh well, leave the injuries to Arnie I guess, women can't get hurt.
"Witness the power of wahmen"
the bad terminator in the movie was just a punching bag for the rest.
I died at the daily 8 glasses of water part
When the Bloodshot movie does battle-damaged heroes better than Terminator...
@@JackFrostIsHere Excuse sir but it's "MA'AM!"
There will never be another good Terminator film, I've given up hope. My ultimate dream would be a film that had the same atmosphere of the opening scene in T2 which showed the Machine War and actually had a satisfying ending to the franchise but hey, that's all but gone now
At this point, I would honestly prefer a complete reboot from the ground up, or a simple one-shot remake/reimagining of the original film with no sequels attached.
This is the only franchise where a full-scale reboot is actually necessary.
@@smjaiteh They need a tomb raider style reboot except a good one.
What they never seem to remember is the Terminator franchise started out w a genuinely groundbreaking horror film. T2 has plenty of horror elements as well, but because it’s one of the best action films ever made everyone seemed to forgot about the genre framings that contributed to such compelling narratives and engaging thematic elements.
Same here! I understand that we'd know the ending, but it could be a side story that isn't centered around John. I'd like to see a bit of distrust and paranoia. How is it that the world ended and there are these giant machines killing. Yet this one guy who knows how to destroy them and predict robot infiltrators that look human? Also, how were they able to capture and reprogram a Terminator? John wasn't the only one who lead humanity to victory. There had to be others involved. Heck, the whole point of humanoid terminators being used wasn't to just go around infiltrating hidden areas full of survivors. They could have been created to kill specific targets. People who were valuable in possibly winning. I've been wanting a Terminator film that is taken place during that future timeline.
I think you underestimate how many people watch your videos who have not seen these movies. Ive only seen the first when I was really young and still find videos like this entertaining. I like reviews of bad movies that I haven't seen and I don't think I'm alone.
Also never watched it! I watched his review of, uhm, one of the star wars things. the last movie i think, and fully enjoyed the review without ever having to suffer through the actual movie.
"But then in Terminator 2, a Terminator came after John himself - pretty sure his threat wasn't his womb"
- Jay Exci, 2019
I found your comment right when the words were spoken. Weird.
They tried to be clever by killing off John but if anything it’s massively backfired and negates T1 and T2 in many ways.
I think a T3 should’ve purely been set in the future and covered the war. Then during the film it should’ve brought the series full circle as John sends a T800 to protect him, as the humans had essentially won the war and the machines resorted to sending a terminator back to kill John. Then the latter part of the film should’ve made it clear how the machines failed to change the future, but SARAH/John did and skynet collapses once and for all. The end.
Agreed.
shouldn't have bothered with John actually because there's no Skynet to kill John. John would been really old by the time Legion came, there's no need to kill John.
they can do that, but it would end the Franchise and that is not good for business.
It says something that after 4 attempted sequels, Terminator: Salvation is unironically the best post-T2 film.
Play the game Terminator : Resistance. It covers the futur war
Honestly I think salvation is pretty underatted
Rau Manu It’s the best out of any after T2.
I do too. I thought it the natural step after T3.
I'm willing to even consider all the other sequels as noncanon post-T2 except for Salvation. You can almost view it as a prequel to the first movie in a way, because of young Kyle Reese.
Same
It wasn't that bad, but I thought the ending was a bit rushed, which gave it a tv pilot feeling.
Terminator Franchise: **already dead**
The studio: shoot it one more time just to make sure.
The results:
It's a strange fact of modern life that the reviews are better than the movies.
Because the movie review sites are all owned by the studios that make the movies.
Reviews are Unbiased my friends
aesopstortoise oh yes lolol
I haven't even seen the movie but as soon as I heard a terminator killed John at the start of this review I immediately knew Arnold is that Terminator but older lol. So predictable you don't even need to watch it. The idea of what a self-aware AI would do with itself after completing its one task is interesting shame it wasn't put to better use.
this su.cks. i don't even wanna go now
Right? Humans don't do that. If we finish our bucket list we just keep adding new stuff onto the pile. There's always something more we want, or think we want.
But a machine that completes its prime directive? Especially one that is sentient and possibly sapient?
Does it change, grow or learn? Or maybe it just returns to its default programming ('blend in with humans until further orders').
The flip side of this question: what happens to a machine that fails its prime directive? Does it do the same thing?
Questions we'll never see posed by big action movies these days.
*"Or maybe it just returns to its default programming ('blend in with humans until further orders')."*
That's how I'd have explained it, rather than a sudden change of heart. It leaves the possibility open that it's not actually one of the good guys, and is just sending Sarah Conner out to kill other Terminators because they're agents of Skynet's rival.
*"what happens to a machine that fails its prime directive? Does it do the same thing?"*
In the Terminator's case, if it fails it's task, it's probably been destroyed, so the question is irrelevant. But it *is* something to consider for other AI-based stories.
@@Kartissa
Honestly, having Legion be a rival of Skynet that was crushed in the original timeline, and that Arni still has a sub routine to suppress Legion works to both keep him a robot without being hacked by non-robot overload following humans, and explains why he fights other Terminators.
Sara Connor Chronicles sort of shed a light on this after completing their mission they simply deactivate until Skynet unleashes armageddon and i assume they are then repurposed.
Never thought I would actually begin to appreciate Terminator: Salvation so much now.
I would argue it was the last good terminator film. At least it tried to move on with the story instead of just doing "its T2 with a twist" story-line.
I've never watched Salvation, stopped at T3. You people are making me curious.
R it’s good what 3 should have been the actual damn war
Lan-Ying Huang lol😂😭🤣
feel the same the other bad ones are good now, still not buying them though
Considering they allready had a semi-liquid terminator in the third movie - A fact that the fans of this misscarriage of a movie forgot fopr... "Reasons"...