Fixing the F8x M2 / M3 / M4 S55 Crank Hub Slip - Evolve 4 Pin Billet Keyed Crank Hub Upgrade

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  • Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
  • Every BMW M Engine seems to have its Achilles heel, and for the S55 it is the Crank Hub! This issue has plagued owners, especially those looking to get more power out of their turbo M car. We're proud to now offer a fully developed fix for the issue, meaning owners have the peace of mind that the flawed factory part has been removed for our upgraded billet crank hub that we have personally stress tested to well over 700hp.
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  • @frocka
    @frocka Рік тому +19

    Wow! You guys are no joke. Really wished I lived in the UK to be able to have your team take care of my (F87) M2 Comp

    • @ali09killuminati
      @ali09killuminati Рік тому +3

      Order it and get it fitted by a local garage?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +8

      We ship worldwide and are happy to try and recommend a local workshop we know where possible ✌🏻

  • @filipdvl6776
    @filipdvl6776 7 місяців тому +2

    I have a 2016 f82 m4 s55 full stock with 82k kms; no crank hub fix, zero troubles, when warm it gets driven spiritedly; fast enough🥳 thanks for the content still ❤️

  • @rashmiro6202
    @rashmiro6202 Рік тому +14

    The mechanic is top tier 👍💯

    • @imfuctifino
      @imfuctifino Рік тому

      I played it at 0.25 speed when refitting , didn't see much use of a torque wrench

  • @neotemana
    @neotemana Рік тому +2

    Imran is such a well of knowledge...would be interesting spending even a day with this man to learn about inner details of BMW engines...Nice one gents!

  • @sbinnala
    @sbinnala Рік тому

    I was one of the early adopters of this, by MaximumPSI/Bimmerclinic here in the States back in 2018. They are the pioneers of the original 2 pin design, and it has evolved to the 4 pin design you have here. Unfortunately they stopped selling them as numerous improper installs done by outside shops lead to failures, all traced back to drilling the crank. Mine was solid for the 3 years I had the car, I just couldn't love it. Even with 100whp over stock. The 2nd owner totalled it, I can only assume doing the no-hesi garbage, as it was a massive front end lick.

  • @darrenboston342
    @darrenboston342 Рік тому +10

    Nice touch there Hash👊
    Great work as always by the guys at Evolve👌
    Worth every penny I’d say if your running big BHP on these engines, better to be safe than sorry I’d say👍

  • @olivers.6420
    @olivers.6420 Рік тому +1

    Wow guys!!! Great engineering work!! That is a lot work but as always great work from Hash!!!

  • @censorshipBS
    @censorshipBS Рік тому

    Very smart develop a part where there's a massive amount of labour to fit it ❤

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +1

      Yes so we can only fit one every 2 days, rather than say our paddles which take 30 mins.
      Unfortunately to fix this properly it takes a lot of time, but then it’s fixed for good.

  • @paulpateman6723
    @paulpateman6723 Рік тому +6

    When I get my M4 you guys are the first place iam driving to you are awesome 👍🇬🇧👍🇬🇧

  • @kovacspis
    @kovacspis Рік тому

    Guys, I miss your air intake design and testing videos a lot!

  • @SH7SH7SH7
    @SH7SH7SH7 Рік тому +2

    What’s the price inc installation? Cheers

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +2

      £2599.99 inc VAT supplied and installed - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f84-m4-s55?variant=45253837685027

  • @sebastiankulesza3782
    @sebastiankulesza3782 2 місяці тому

    GREAT CONTENT !!! THANK YOU!!!!!😎

  • @chicomaxima1
    @chicomaxima1 Рік тому

    The first Inline 6 M engine s38 have a similar problem. So far is hanging on with red threadlocker 😓

  • @dolinpessoa
    @dolinpessoa 3 місяці тому

    Does it applied for a manual gear? Cheers from Brazil

  • @Pochito1234567
    @Pochito1234567 2 місяці тому

    If I have an M4 F82 with stage 2 remap, downpipes, and intake, Mi gonna have that crank hub problem? or is it just when you go hybrid turbos... because I want to drive pacefully and not thinkinh i´m gonna blow the motor for driving hard.

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  2 місяці тому

      If you’re worried about it and it’s going to ruin the enjoyment of the car, get it done. We try to lay out the facts as unbiased as we can in this video.

  • @son_of_black7918
    @son_of_black7918 Рік тому

    Is there anyway of knowing if this has already been done on a car if the seller/garage doesn’t know? Any visual signs without any kind of strip down?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +1

      Unfortunately no. Like with E9x M3 rod bearings if the seller doesn’t mention them I’d assume they haven’t been done as it’s a nice value adding item for a sale.

  • @TimChump
    @TimChump 10 місяців тому +1

    How much to supply and fit?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  10 місяців тому +1

      Currently £2000 inc VAT - www.evolveautomotive.co.uk/products/evolve-pinned-crank-hub-bmw-f87-m2-competition-f80-m3-f82-f83-m4-s55?variant=45253837685027

  • @gorkemmehmet3524
    @gorkemmehmet3524 3 місяці тому

    Won’t need it unless your running over 550 hp
    Most stage 1 safe tunes can catback is plenty the car is already very fast for street driving stock.

  • @montana2806
    @montana2806 9 місяців тому

    doesnt it also need a crank bolt capture plate?

  • @Blunt_trauma689
    @Blunt_trauma689 9 місяців тому

    I have a stage 2 tune 93oct would you recommend upgrading the crank hub?

    • @Blunt_trauma689
      @Blunt_trauma689 9 місяців тому

      It’s a 2020 m2 comp.. thank you

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  9 місяців тому

      If you want peace of mind then yes, if you’re happy to risk it then no

    • @Blunt_trauma689
      @Blunt_trauma689 9 місяців тому

      I’m in the US.. I’m considering buying from your website.. just calling around to see about labor costs.

  • @qvx817
    @qvx817 Рік тому +1

    why 2 pieces instead of 1?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +1

      As said in the video, ease of installation

    • @qvx817
      @qvx817 Рік тому

      is it less strenght than one piece?@@EvolveAutomotive

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому

      No, the interlocking key design means it is impossible for the 2 parts of the hub to move independently

  • @mumenmansour3058
    @mumenmansour3058 9 місяців тому

    2018 M4 competition 75,000 KM
    Stock and I dont have the issue

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  9 місяців тому

      Yes staying stock it shouldn’t be an issue

  • @chrisridebike8
    @chrisridebike8 6 місяців тому

    What a stupid, lazy OEM design. Great looking fix.

  • @ETHENHOLLINGTON
    @ETHENHOLLINGTON Місяць тому

    You work too fast man we need to learn your game

  • @DwayneTheStoneJones
    @DwayneTheStoneJones 8 місяців тому

    Who buys an m2 seriously, just be a man and get an m3

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  8 місяців тому +1

      M2 is more fun.

    • @devon6993
      @devon6993 8 місяців тому +1

      M2 is more compact with the same power, m3 is a boat. M2 is a true sports car

  • @elver__galarga2559
    @elver__galarga2559 Місяць тому

    Buy a Lexus instead and save yourself a small fortune.

  • @zali9657
    @zali9657 Рік тому +5

    Less goo

  • @CharlesChristena
    @CharlesChristena Місяць тому +1

    What is the risk of the pins sheering? Does it still use any sort of friction disc from the original oem implementation?

  • @THEDOPEYDAISY
    @THEDOPEYDAISY Рік тому +3

    EVOLVE have worked on my brothers E90 M3 on 3 occasions and they do excellent work. Hash is the best mechanic there, he always gave feedback on the car and is always polite and courteous. The other one don’t even make eye contact he just give you the keys and walk off without a peep.

  • @triz1hunna151
    @triz1hunna151 Рік тому +4

    Longer videos please love you guys content least 25mins I need 😂😂

  • @schmick63
    @schmick63 Рік тому +2

    My 1M N54 spun its hub. Hybrids and 26psi on e85 will do it. Mine was only a slight spin, no internal damage but timing was out enough that the engine wouldn't run.

  • @s87-d7d
    @s87-d7d Рік тому +3

    Very nice and informative video,
    I have some question if you don't mind
    _Do the crank hub parts you fit have any influence on crank balance and does drilling into it affect his integrity at all?
    _Could a different Harmonic damper fix the slipping issue?
    _Have you guys seen rod bearing issues on S55?
    Asking because seems the perfect time to check them while doing the crank hub fix
    Cheers

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +2

      They are machined to extremely tight tolerances and are balanced so therefore do not negatively effect the balance of the crank.
      As said in the video we believe the main issue of the slip issue is from the use of friction material on the hub itself.
      Haven’t seen any rod bearing issues personally but with poor maintenance and a bad owner any engine may suffer damage.

    • @s87-d7d
      @s87-d7d Рік тому

      @@EvolveAutomotive
      Thanks for your reply
      Is it true that that friction washer has been updated during the S55 production?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +1

      From our own experience 2017 cars seem to suffer more, indicating in a potential material change or manufacturing discrepancy, but we cannot say for certain.

    • @daveyvega7348
      @daveyvega7348 9 місяців тому

      ​@EvolveAutomotive which year its the worst for the crank hub issue? I read that after 2016 the issue was solved.. could you give me details?

  • @hash.M2
    @hash.M2 Рік тому +3

    Does this issue affect the OG M2 with the N55 engine?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +5

      It has the same crank hub yes, but we must admit we’ve not really heard of it being an issue and have not carried out this upgrade on our own N55 M2

  • @zeake13
    @zeake13 21 день тому

    Some dumb engineering. Plastic fuel pumps, no dipsticks, worthless hubs. ugh. Why do I love BMWs. . . . . . .

  • @supradaytona9576
    @supradaytona9576 8 місяців тому +1

    Thank you the best detail video in UA-cam about this issue BMW
    Thank you very much I know right now what's going on

  • @Nelbone
    @Nelbone Місяць тому

    How much does this job cost? I’m guessing at least $3000 usd?

  • @strussdo
    @strussdo Рік тому +1

    This was a big job 😂.. How much do you guys charge for this

  • @scriptedPR
    @scriptedPR Місяць тому

    Looking for your advice if that’s ok. In the states. Daily driver. Eyes set on m2. N55 or s55 variant for roughly 6-8k more? Which would you suggest. Idk if I’ll ever track it but I may, who knows? I’m a huge Motorsport fan so there is always a possibility. Thanks.

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Місяць тому +1

      We personally love the OG M2 with the N55, purely for sound the S55 will never sound as good to us - Plus it is hard to argue with the cost savings. I'd rather spend that 6-8k more on a CSF Intercooler, exhaust and our remap/CS software for the N55. Maybe see if you can get some M4 seats too, as the N55 ones are a bit basic.

    • @scriptedPR
      @scriptedPR Місяць тому

      @@EvolveAutomotivethank you for your opinion. I was actually leaning this way also just bc of sound. It’s such a huge factor for me and I didn’t want to get too crazy with power anyways. Like 450 at most with some basic bolt ons and a tune. I know I could do this with the s55 variant very easily but like you said the sound is just not where i want it to be.

  • @inews5193
    @inews5193 Місяць тому

    Does the the timing chain need to be replaced as well?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Місяць тому

      Doesn’t have to be, we recommend it on higher mileage cars as a ‘while you’re in there’ but leave it down to the customer.

  • @mariogarciamarin2376
    @mariogarciamarin2376 Рік тому +1

    Not necessary to do on M2 N55??

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +2

      It has the same crank hub yes, but we must admit we’ve not really heard of it being an issue and have not carried out this upgrade on our own N55 M2

  • @DIRTYvinnieXD
    @DIRTYvinnieXD 6 місяців тому

    Typical torsional vibration issue, i can only think of 2 things. Increased power and launch control

  • @chrisg4rr377
    @chrisg4rr377 Рік тому

    A simple Woodruff would have been so simple

  • @clemenvasquez6229
    @clemenvasquez6229 4 місяці тому

    hey i like to know what is tha gasket kit for installation

  • @raldyjimenez3319
    @raldyjimenez3319 10 місяців тому

    Curious if this is the root cause of the problem with Joe Achilles M2 engine problem🤔

    • @thebingaling1105
      @thebingaling1105 День тому

      Pretty sure he downshifted into 2nd instead of 4th so could be.

  • @yg78t76t7
    @yg78t76t7 Рік тому

    Hi there :) Is the crank hub fix required if car has catless downpipes and a stage 2 tune?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +1

      As said in the video, it’s not something we require, it’s down to the customer, so some more research alongside this video and make your mind up.

    • @greatcolor
      @greatcolor Рік тому +1

      I've seen someone spin theirs on a BM3 Stage 2 tune with just downpipes, I'd do it if you want to sleep easy and it's a value add if you ever sell the car.
      That said, stateside this is like a $5-6k job.

    • @yg78t76t7
      @yg78t76t7 Рік тому

      @@greatcolor there are lots of shops that will do it for 3k

  • @masterkendro
    @masterkendro 4 місяці тому

    Im about to take ownership of an M2 Comp. Is there any shop you recommend in texas? The vehicle has less than 10k miles, but eventually, I'd like to get it done just for the piece of mind?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  4 місяці тому

      Congrats! Drop us an email - sales@evolveautomotive.com

    • @DabbingStoner818
      @DabbingStoner818 4 місяці тому

      So it has to be done if you get a m2c? damn

  • @Hcarmad
    @Hcarmad Рік тому +3

    Great work gone into a great solution, top quality as always.

  • @Rulon12
    @Rulon12 Рік тому

    If the engine is stock?

    • @blackpanda7612
      @blackpanda7612 8 місяців тому

      Should still be done. This part has failed on stock and tuned engines.

  • @THEG12EG
    @THEG12EG Рік тому

    is this less cost than a 1 piece unit? if not what's the advantage?

    • @Gentlemen_london_
      @Gentlemen_london_ Рік тому +2

      Did you not listen to anything he said? 😂🤦‍♂️

    • @THEG12EG
      @THEG12EG Рік тому

      @@Gentlemen_london_ I mean compared to a single piece 4 pin not the standard one!

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +1

      As said in the video, ease of installation.

  • @fe1jx240.
    @fe1jx240. Рік тому

    Why now? A bit late to the party no?

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +11

      Never too late to the party. These cars have many years left in them.

    • @darrenboston342
      @darrenboston342 Рік тому +3

      Really🤔…. Why’s that then🤔
      These cars if maintained correctly last for thousands & thousands miles.
      This is a preventative measure to ensure this esp when running big BHP!👌

    • @fe1jx240.
      @fe1jx240. Рік тому +2

      Yeah I get that. I have an f80 myself which I plan on having for a very long time…
      Just thought someone like yourselves would of made this back when the problem first became a thing. Not 9 years after the f80s release.

    • @EvolveAutomotive
      @EvolveAutomotive  Рік тому +4

      @@fe1jx240. So it would be better if we didn't make it all? I don't get the logic.

    • @R03333
      @R03333 Рік тому +2

      @@EvolveAutomotive Keep making them because I might eventually have an M2Comp in another 9 years