The Catastrophic Takeoff of a Boeing 737 | Plunging into the Bay in New York
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- Опубліковано 15 чер 2022
- Find out why the Boeing 737 operating as USAir flight 5050 crashed on takeoff from LaGuardia Airport in Queens, New York.
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I remember this tragedy well. My father was part of fire and rescue team who got the ambulances in there to bring the injured to the hospital. The rescue vehicles kept sinking in the mud and my dad got the big truck and kept pulling them out. He was at the airport for two days working overtime to help get the injured and deceased out. He was given an award from the port authority for all his efforts…and he was just a mechanic but that day he did everything.
Exactly. your father did not refuse to save lives because it was past his going home time, nor did he fail to fuel his truck because it was not in his job specification.
The way that the pilots behaved was an unprofessional shambolic mess and I am sure that they earned more than your father
@Moon Cricket, I don’t see how it would be more hilarious?
What you father name I think I remember too
Was tall solid build cowboy hat 🤠 and must ash👨🏻✈️
So basically its your dads fault.
@@7531monkey not mine for sure why you reply to me?
Can you imagine being the passengers that couldn't board and feeling mad that you have to wait 3 hours for the next flight only to find out the jet crashed?
I'll bet that's wierd!!
Exactly my first thought about this video!
Survivors guilt must haunt them still today
That happened at the Zeebrugge disaster involving the Herald of Free Enterprise. There were drivers left on the dock who were booked on the ferry and due to overbooking were left off the ship to wait for the next sailing. There was a lot of unpleasantness until they saw the fate of the vessel from the quayside.
Bet they would get religious
I'm all for the pilot's union, but hiding the pilots away like that until after the toxicology test was useless? That's so nefarious and shady.
@They call me tundra boy
It screams intoxicated to me! Clearly at least one pilot was more than likely under the influence of drugs and or alcohol
I mean even without a union if I was facing 25 to life for hazarding an aircraft and manslaughter if I was drunk or high then fuck yeah I would dip out on the feds wanting to test ur ass until I was clean and dried out
Losing ur job and license is bad but ur freedom nope not abt that, I could see how they got scared even if sober and were in shock or their own trauma
The poor communication l, agitation and their delayed reactions screams out alcohol intoxication. I reckon the 1st officer was nervous and the captain was under the influence. But its all speculative really
I think the major used his military status to manipulate things
Making multiple sudden changes can be frustrating, specially for a pilot. Having a calm and focused mind is very critical for them. This could have also contributed to the minor mistakes that led to a major problem.
as well as a few martinis at the Officer's lounge......perhaps they should ban alcohol at these places, or perhaps that has already been done....
@@trevorregay9283 i think alcohol is already banned for them. If they did have drinks before flight then ofcourse that is a big problem and negligence behavior
@@jacksprat9209 In any job involving public transport their will be delays and changes in plans, particularly after bad weather, The changes were not involving an increase in flying hours and if the day had been unreasonably long, they had the right to refuse to fly on grounds of fatigue.
The airline did not change the rudder default, nor did it fail to do the checklists correctly
The crews approach to the situation was an unprofessional shambolic mess.
The only fault by the airline was allowing situations such as this to develop.
@@jacksprat9209 i understand your feelings, i felt the same, especially when i know what its like to be pushed to the limits in my line of work. However, multiple factors led to this accident and the fault can be divided between the management, airplane, inspection mechanics, captain and copilot.
There was so many things lining up, thatvit was bound to have an issue. I know had i been a passenger, and hesrd of all the things going on, and the po pilots first "solo" flight, i would've been, I'll take the next flight.
My anxiety was going up watching the video. Like keep thinking abort the take off attempt, etc.
The passengers the captain didn't allow aboard were really lucky!
Yeah, what a true US mess-up!
Fax
They weren't lucky they were blessed.
I was an FDNY Firefighter when this happened. This emergency became a gigantic cluster-fuck of first responders. Responding were the New York City Police Department, The Port Authority (Airport) Police Department, The Port Authority Fire Department, The New York City Fire Department, New York City EMS (ambulances) and several volunteer Fire Departments from nearby Long Island towns. If my memory is correct there were just over 80 victims. Nearly 2000 first responders converged on the scene. NYPD cruisers were driving down an active runway. A small rescue boat nearly submerged in the choppy water. Rescuers were rescuing rescuers. T'was crazy. The Port Authority put new first responder management in place afterwards.
The disappearance of the pilots during the crucial post accident drug test window is criminal, especially with a fatality. The union who withheld their location is culpable and should be held liable. Too bad NTSB is only an advisory agency.
I bet the captain was drunk
How is a murder-suicide attempt "an accident"? These pilots are so thoroughly trained that any negative encounter must be deliberate, and if human lives were put at risk deliberately, it is known as "attempted murder". If your English comprehension is too short for that concept, stop posting videos, you dolt. Jesus f---ing Christ.
I could see it as a union protest. Kind of like asking for a lawyer when you're innocent. Exercising your Miranda rights alone is not a sign that you're guilty. Same here.
Nonsense. When you’re innocent, you can ask for a lawyer but you don’t hide from authorities til you feel like it’s the right timing to meet with them.
You’re probably working for a union yourself.
Yes........Unions do not always do the public any favors........Consider the worthless UAW........Protects no-goods.........Paul
Surprised the captain waited 9 seconds to apply the thrust reversers even knowing the plane was over the V1 speed already.
Yeah that was the sticking point for me. Is it safe to kill thrust and apply thrust reverses in one action or is there a minimum time you have to wait before doing so? I'm picturing a pilot essentially yanking the levers all the way back like a gearstick...
@@FourthExile Even if it ain't "in the book"... in that situation who'd care???
Kill power and reverse thrust... NOW! Argue with the maintenance guys LATER. I've flown in and out of that airport....EVERYBODY is well aware that there are no soft fields, a few fences and some cows at the end of the runway!
@@francoislepine4698 Yeah man I'm all for tossing the book in an emergency. As an armchair pilot I'd be yanking that thrust back and sitting on the damn thing if it means stopping the plane. I'm still curious about why the pilot took 9 seconds to apply reverse thrust.
@@FourthExile Could have been due to the lack of directional control he was fighting with. Slamming the reversers on kills your rudder in a lot of planes. He was likely (rightfully) concerned about losing even more directional control when they were already veering off the runway.
@@FourthExile Because the pilot was impaired?
This is what happens when Laurel and Hardy sit in the C/P and play pilot! I questioned all the 9 & 18 second delays in activating various things. Even though they weren't the most seasoned pilots anyone familiar with the A/C should be able to tell the rudder pedals were 4.5" different. Those time lapses during takeoff are amazing! Sequestering the pilots by ALPA sure throws up red flags to me. ALPA always protects their bus drivers.
Roger Huber esp. at LGA where your choices are the water, the water, or the water. The runway is not for the faint of heart, fruits, nuts, mama's boys, or flakes.
"The Flying Deuces"
The point you have to consider here is that it is a human failing
and observable in so many comments and HOW people write things.
It become clearly evident that the greater majority of people FAIL
to pat attention to detail -- THEY DO NOT SEE EXACTLY what it is they
are looking at.
Examples:
They LOOK AT
TESLA but see Tesla and write it as such
APPLE but see Apple
BOEING but see Boeing
SONY but see Sony
HOLLYWOOD but they see Hollywood
ARMY but they see Army
NAVY but they see Navy
People have been programmed to be ZOMBIES
They have eyes but cannot see- ears and cannot hear
They just fail to pay attention to detail.
As a former AIR FORCE pilot since 1960 with 30 years service
(beginning with the RAF - we were taught and constantly reminded
to pat attention to detail --- Failure to do so will ultimately result in one's
premature death.
Allowing little things to slip because one considers it to be unimportant -
SOON leads to one allowing the bigger and critical things to slip.
One has to remain disciplined -- The common uneducated people just
do not understand the need for such rigor.
In fact the common people despise it.
ROGER - OVER AND OUT
@@andrew_koala2974 At issue is that pilots are specifically trained to deal with these emergencies as an automatic response. There's no time for pondering what's got to be done. Careening down a runway at 100+mph doesn't allow for 9 & 18 second delays. Things MUST happen quickly. Their reactions were very slow and we'll never know if both bus drivers were drunk or drugged since the ALPA Union hid them and hindered the safety investigation illegally. Pilots have always been disciplined and trained but these two were hampered by something.
@@rogerhuber3133 My guess is the 1st officer was hampered by inexperience, and the pilot was hampered by intoxication.
"In Memory of the two passengers who lost their lives."
Sadly, that was one thing I noticed that was missing from this episode. (That and it showed the new New York Skyline rather than the old, with the twin towers.) May they RIP.
@@bri3268 Since it took place before 9/11 probably why
@@Cyphron That's what they are saying "the new New York skyline rather than the old"
@@martinc.720 New, New York ?
Why, it was 33 yrs ago? Go have a sniffle and hug a crystal.
The holes in the Swiss cheese here were, several last minute changes to the flight and discussions with dispatch, a rushed departure with limited duty time remaining and an inexperienced F/O on his first line flight.
I’m a big fan of Petter at Mentour Pilot too! Great content. Then there is Kelsey at 74Gear. Can’t help but love that guy for just good feelings about being a commercial 747 pilot.
I find airline accidents that are clearly caused by pilot error to be the most distressing. Everytime I board a 'plane I know my default position is to automatically assume the pilots are 100% trustworthy. trained and reliable.
well now with diversity hiring, you can put that notion to rest.
Well done presentation Flight channel. I have a personal encounter that is pertinent to this video. The B737 300 was the first to have a trim WHEEL replaced by an unprotected vertical switch. We were on the ground on stop over, and the stew walked in and sat on the jump seat behind me, putting a foot on the pedestal. I objected, and she removed her foot which then revealed the switch. I took a second look at the switch and saw that it had run the rudder trim full right. I remember saying to the F/O, "this switch is a dumb design that is going to kill someone unless it is protected.
A little while later, I had a government check pilot travelling with us in the cockpit, and related the above experience to him, about the accident potential of an unprotected switch. He said to me "It already has done". I think he was possibly referring to your story above. Anyway, Boeing finally had a guard put over the switch. Engineers aren't always imaginative when it comes to how things can go wrong. MCAS anyone?
The thing with engineers is that they will often think that its highly unlikely someone will be dumb enough or reckless enough or clumsy enough to do something that to them appears logical and common sense.
Thing Is that not everyone is an engineer and this is where over engineering something and adding extra layers of safety protections Is almost never superfluous.
@@SoldierXXL I am a retired airline pilot, and always kept in mind "Murphy's First Law: Anything that can go wrong will go wrong". Human factors will lead even rational people to make mistakes. We need to plan for that, and that requires an imaginative outlook. For example; the B727 showed green lights when the pitot heaters were on, but no warning lights when they were off. This led to a fatal training crash. No one imagined such an outcome until reality demonstrated it could happen. Now such an omission will show on the master caution light.
@@aeomaster32 I think you mean the aileron trim, not the rudder trim.
@@THYB737
Why do you say that?
I must say another contributing factor was very bad weather. I myself was the Captain flying the takeoff directly before Flt 5050. The rain was coming down very hard US 5050 was instructed to line up and wait after we departed then I switched to departure control. I new nothing of the crash until the next day. My friend Ken commanded the Flt directly behind US 5050 .Of course the airport closed and Ken stayed in New York. After a couple of days of taxing passengers past the wreckage while departing RWY 13 they finally pulled it out of Bowery bay and put in our company hanger. It was ironic that a balanced field , accelerate stop crash would have 5050 as a Flt #. Prayers and thoughts for the gone and injured that night.
Imagine these passengers that the captain refused to board, seeing that the aircraft they should be in crashed
Maybe go buy a lottery ticket...
It remembers me the movie “Final destination”
They might have missed a big payday
@@billp4 They might also have been in the two seats that were unsurviveable!!!
@@billp4 if you got on a plane where you have a 80-90% chance of surviving would you do it for a “pay day”?
I love your videos, they make me feel like I’m right there, and I’ve learned a lot about airplanes, which is fantastic and really very interesting! Great work!! ✈️✈️✈️
Likewise. I'm looking forward to getting a pilot license :) started watching one video and simply fell in love with planes.
yeah it's turned me into an absolute aviation geek and I love it.
You haven’t learned Jack shit
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I mean it's great that your union has your back, but this takes it to another level and is highly suspicious.....i really hope that the FBI were able to take action against the union for this because it amounts to obstruction of an investigation. Let's not forget TWO PEOPLE DIED in this accident and I really want to know why the union took this step unless it was to hide evidence of intoxication.
I'm in a union, and they'll fight tooth and nail for you. Even if you don't deserve it. There's 1 employee who's getting his SECOND termination letter within the last few months, and the union is still gonna fight for him. He got offically fired, put in front of a panel with all the top heads, etc, and he still managed to keep his job. Our steward even got into a huge argument over it with our center manager. There's many upsides to a union, especially against a shady company, but in matters like this.. i question why they even bother? Especially when 2 people died. It's fucking sad
Hiding pilots from mandatory toxicological screenings post-accident is not 'having your back'. It's a deliberate act with the intention of inhibiting investigators from uncovering the truth.
@@INSERTNAMExHERE union fight tooth and nail for you?!? Depends on the union. Yours...maybe. I was a union member fir 10 years, shop steward for 4 years in the 1990s. Our union sucked. Employees got fired without warning letters, union did nothing. Grievance after grievance was filed...union did squat. So...it depends on the union, I guess.
@@californiadreaming9216 Most unions suck is correct , ive been in plenty of unions , they are alot of them more worried about thier own jobs , and seems that they work more for the company than for the union member in trouble
How many days did they hide them? I don't think it would have been long enough to prevent negative toxicology tests if was only a couple days. Perhaps for alcohol but most substances will appear for up to 4-5 days due to the sensitivity of testing done.
4:27 "USAir Flight 5050 will be the First Officers first takeoff in a Boeing 737 without supervision by a flight instructor" That gave me a chill
Just yesterday I read an article on an aeronautic website addressing safety concerns passengers have about LaGuardia's short (7003 feet each) twin runways. LaGuardia is the airport closest to where I live and has a reputation, which the article belied, of being a difficult airport for pilots due to the length of its two runways.
Chicago's Midway is MUCH shorter and records many "accidents"............Paul
It's only logical that the runway be extended. Doesn't take a college degree to figure out that those designers did a bad job of runway design. And they call themselves architects ?
@@waterbird91 Yes, and there's ample space. The runways end where the bay begins, so a little landfill...
I don't know that it's safer but I seem to get NYC flights that land in Newark.
There was an American Airlines flight here in Puerto Rico that ran off the runway. I was in June 27 1985. One of my uncles was on that flight and had to swim back to the runway. If you find any info. PLEASE make a video🙏🏾. It was flight 633
Is that the one where a well-known PR actor was on board and was taken off the AA plane on a stretcher? A portion of the plane ended up in the marsh at the end of the runway. I would love to see a video about that incident. Glad to know that your uncle survived.
Total chaos on the ground, the pilot left the plane twice to go back to discuss the schedule changes, and the best the NTSB could say was that they weren't able to prove the flight crew weren't intoxicated. Thanks for telling more of the backstory, it sounds like the same old Agony Airlines we all used to know and love.
NTSB are famously incompetent. Lookup Dan Gryder's channel
Many factors played into this crash.
Pilots have to be in a calm state and mindful of each other when flying.
This should've never happened to have such a well-experienced Captain flying this plane. Poor communication between the two pilots, and sadly, passengers suffered the consequences. Tragic ending. I'm sorry to the families who lost loved ones on this flight. R.I.P. ✝
Yet another excellent video. Well composed, easy to read captions and fantastic visuals. Thank you
I remember this. I was 12. It was a theory growing up in Queens that laguardia was the "accident" airport.
You’ve produced and researched this to excellent standard. This story I feel could have been a movie! So many twists and turns. I do think so much of this was due to human error and miscommunication, not just once or twice but repeatedly. The unions didn’t cover themselves in glory by sequestering the pilot and co pilot.
Well made as ever, it’s always a brilliant education watching your videos, and as always I look forward to the next! 👍
so many twists and turns... and that's just on the takeoff roll, then more after the accident.
One correction - Piedmont was not a subsidiary of USAir. The two separate airlines merged and the new company kept the USAir name.
Surprised to didn't see the usual "In memory of the two people that lost their life" on this video.....
My favourite aviation channel by a mile keep it up 👍
What a curious set of circumstances. Also somewhat surprised that there were no working hour directives in force. I hope that has been remedied since then. 🇬🇧
Wow, the graphics are very good! Far more detail than i have seen before.
Very well done and informative video that was enjoyable to watch. You have gotten much better. I still love that music you add to it. God bless the two passengers who were lost.
Great video, thanks! I miss the 'In memory of the 2 passengers who lost their lives', please bring these announcements back, it's a nice touch to remember the victims.
Could the rudder have been moved into the extreme left position by strong winds during the previous landing? Asking anyone knowledgeable about planes (I'm definitely not), because I have recently seen a video of a A380 parked by the gate, with the rudder moved way to the left, and aviation enthusiasts commented that it's from the wind during the landing, and would be fixed by the next crew.
The rudder free floats when not under engine powered hydraulic pressure so the winds can blow it to the side. When you see it go centered, that's how you know the engines have started.
@@CriticalInception
and when the APU is operational
@@CriticalInception Thank you for the clarification! So it moves into the default straight position on its own, once the hydraulics/APU are on? Sorry about the questions, as I said, I know next to nothing about airplanes, and learn from UA-cam videos like TFC ^ ^
@@surimi7283 correct 😎
@@garrettswoodworx1873 Okay, thanks. I read the article which helped me understand some things, but for someone with no prior knowledge, it's not easy to understand the mechanism you're speaking of. So I'll try to get it again: someone must have inadvertently moved the rudder trim on this plane, and noone noticed. Once the APU/hydraulics went on, the rudder was in the default straight position, but the trim part remained tilted to the left, causing the plane to veer to the left?
As a person who lives close to KLGA, I have to admit, although there are some concerns on the LGA approach, such as runway size. I find it more enjoyable for many reasons. Such as a scenic approach. Also, the terminal has undergone major renovations, and it looks a lot better than it did in 2012.
I had a small part in lengthening that runway at Laguardia due to this incident. We did some ground stabilization after the sand was dredged into the bay. We worked at night after all the planes were done . I flew in from Colorado and wow the Union money!! I can remember an engine on an L1011 TWA exploding during push back from the gate. A bit exciting but they replaced it that night and it flew the next day! One night about midnight we were shut down for air force one to land and there was no warning and no support craft. I saw it land but not sure why. Rumors were that First lady was going shopping but? Long Time ago. 1994 I think so Hillary.
truckers go thru this everyday--get their schedules jacked around,don't load,load,go here not there,why aren't you here,your screwed up not us dispatchers,who cares about your sleep,so what if your truck is messed up,keep driving,etc--all under the watchful eye of thousands of cops,fed officals that jack the drivers,not management...a farce
That's messed up.
Again as always, absolutely beautifully put together!
I remember this accident. So tragic. . . At least most lives were saved. . . Great re-creation and graphics. . .👍✈✈👍
You forgot to write "in memory of 2 people who lost their lives onboard usair flight 5050".
TFC, you’re just the best at this! 🛫
Instead of purely assume that they were intoxicated, which is a fair assumption, remember that they had conflict at the gate due to time on the job concerns. Perhaps they were tired, which would also cause similar lapses in judgement. Although one would have to find out whether the loading of passengers and cargo actually caused a serious amount of time to go by, if not then my point is invalid.
Magnificently done, flight channel.
Every time I see one of these great reconstructions it glues my feet firmly to the ground thanks.
Of all the things, what really impressed me is that the captain took 9 seconds to deploy reverse trust. That is really too much time..
Definitely lends credence to the possibility of him being under the influence, doesn't it?
@@rich_edwards79 exactly
The full deflection of the rudder trim and bad weather meant that it might have been challenging enough to just keep it under control and going straight on the runway.
Please don’t forget to tell us before the flight takes off how many passengers and crew members are on board.
Just checked, 57 passengees, 6 crew. The two that died were a woman and her mother in law from TN.
@@getmeouttatennessee4473 Thanks, GMOTN!
@GetMeOutta Tennessee
Meaning that one man in TN lost his wife and his mother in that crash; and possibly child(ren) lost their mother and a grandmother.
Sad, truly sad..
Hope they all are mentally well and could carry on..
a video on one of the crashes I am very interested in
Glad you finally did Flight 5050.
It’s official…I’m addicted. I’ve never watched UA-cam like I do now!
What a normie comment.
Pilots frustrated at getting jerked around by dispatch miss two critical takeoff settings. Who would've thought?
Wiw I had to pause this about 6 times because the anxiety was getting to me!! 🤣
Great video as always. Thank you! 👏👍
I sure hope that was sarcasm.
Excellently done. Nicely thorough.
Nice work Josh. Always so good.
I remember when this happened. There was a comedian onboard who went on the Tonight Show the next day, and made a joke saying he should have known better than getting on a flight numbered 50-50.
Always love love love your efforts into making these videos! Can you do Malaysian Airline Flight 134? Thank you!
Another nice vid!
Another great vid.
I very much doubt it was drink or drugs. Being messed about obviously frustrated them, especially the captain who obviously wasn’t in the greatest of moods to start off with and let the priorities in safety slip away. No excuses of course. I just think the captain was fed up and let that take over his thoughts instead of safety and keeping sterile during that important phase, not just verbally but in his mind.
Both had to have drink or drugs in their systems surly? Thats why the Union hid them for 40 hours. To clear their blood and urine in an attempt to keep their wings
Then why hide them away until tox screen cannot be performed?
It should be the same as the breathalyzer after a traffic stop where refusing the test equals an admission of guilt.
It is not! Breathalyzer tests are known to be inaccurate and you have a right to refuse it and demand a blood test without any implied admission of guilt.
@@wernerdanler2742 The problem was that the pilots were not tested for intoxication by an objective analysis. A blood test within a few hours would have been fine, but the pilots' union hid them away for such a long time that any toxicological test of that era would have been useless.
Oh Lord, I don't remember the incident but I do recall hearing the fallout on the news as a teenager. Apparently a lot of pilots were flying whilst unfit to do so and the union was covering up the fact, it made the national news here in the UK. Whilst the two pilots were eventually found to not be incapacitated through drink or drugs it was very sus that they were hidden away by their union for so long. Not a good day to have a bad day on the job.
Unions were great 100 years ago when worker conditions were unsafe or inhumane. But here in the US we have Federal agencies to deal with that, and all that unions ‘due’ now is collect money from workers and take care of those that have paid the most money to them (seniority). It was a great idea long ago, but workers and companies now should just follow the rule of supply and demand in modern times. I was a union worker for 31 years…. and not at all proud of it today. Unions are EXACTLY why Detroit was a great city 60 years ago but is now a decrepit ghost town riddled with crime and unemployment. Excellent example that not disputable as to how unions ruin capitalism.
@@enigmawyoming5201 USA has the worst federal minimum wages of the 20 OECD coiuntries. USA has the worst work-family balance, with the highest number of average work hours per week, the lowest amount of paid vacation, and the absence of basic family support such as maternal leave.
But of course, you believe unions wouldn't help with any of that.
@@noseboop4354 - but of course, you provide no reference links to substantiate what you claim is true. Show me the data, and I’ll start thinking differently to how my personal experience dictates my present belief.
@@noseboop4354 Bravo!
@@enigmawyoming5201 USA is high on average wage, because Silicon Valley and Wall Street pulls up the average, but everything else is worse for workers: ua-cam.com/video/rv5nJJ_iGPI/v-deo.html , ua-cam.com/video/hEoG5Gkqaf8/v-deo.html , ua-cam.com/video/hEoG5Gkqaf8/v-deo.html , ua-cam.com/video/7KCIaOKiTEc/v-deo.html
The good news about this type of obstructing is that unlike in 1989, today there is very accurate hair follicle testing that can be done on the pilots that will give indication of drug or alcohol use for up to 60 days. The Pilots union can hide them for a month but the follicle test will determine with a high degree of scientific certainty whether there was an issue concerning intoxication.
Partially correct but not on all drugs. There are many ways today to beat drug testing.
@Rapman
Actually the hair follicle test was available back in 1987! I remember hearing about them because it was a new thing, so you'd figure two years later it would be been easily available.
@@joejakubec9708 that’s true, if you are so inclined you will find ways to get around the test.
@@watershed44 yeah, I wasn’t sure of the exact date they started using the hair follicle test but I do remember hearing about it sometime in the late 80’s.
Is a hair follicle test accurate enough to determine when alcohol was imbibed? For example, if pilots were flying on a Wednesday, but they chose to consume alcohol on the previous Saturday, then this would be legal. However, if they drank alcohol on Tuesday night, then this would probably be illegal.
There should have been an automatic prison sentence of at least 25 years for those pilots who didn't present themselves in a timely manner for toxological screenings, especially because there were deaths involved in that crash. ALPA should have been fined millions of dollars as well for their part in this disgraceful coverup! Thanks for another great video, TFC!
We can't get violent criminals in jail.
The guy that just murdered the two cops was out on bail.
I dont see much chance of a drunk pilot getting 25 years for killing passengers .
Unless the pilot is a Trump suppoter.
And how long for Boeing and former Douglas and airbus? Come on ...
The pilots were being held captive by their union.
Dont blame them - and get the facts before you sound off & sound like an idiot.
Just a general comment...when you started to do these vids, I was a bit leery of "computer imaging "..
BUT now, I love seeing these!! I want more, but I don't want any more crashes...
You put them in a clear cut manner...nothing is sloppy
If you could leave the last part, that is about the condolences, for a smidge longer
I know I can pause it...just saying
I like to see your version and watch the live ones on Mayday
Maybe a comparison between us and another country's crashes...US vs UK
Thanks dude!!
When I was in Flight School in the early 90s, I did an investigation and paper on this flight for an air safety class. At the time, I lived a stone's throw away from the USAir simulators. I knew a guy that worked there and he got me in there at about 3 a.m. so that we could simulate the crash just like he had done with the FAA investigators. The deflection of the rudder pedals was so obvious, I couldn't believe that the crew didn't notice. As for what cause the trim to be fully set to one side, they knew that another pilot was deadheading on the flight and that pilot spent some time chatting with the crew in the cockpit before pushback. The simulator guys thought that the deadheading pilot was sitting on the jumpseat and may have put his foot on the center pedestal, turning the trim knob.
Sorry- what does deadheading mean?
@@mph1ish I’m going to guess deadheading means the pilot was flying as a non-working staff member, I.e off the clock and traveling as a passenger.
I love Thursdays at 1PM I love these Animated plane videos
Good afternoon to all from SE Louisiana 16 Jun 22.
Gonna be another great video
Great videos flight channel vey well presented sad alot of tragedies happen
Rejecting the take-off was the right thing to do, but he needed to do it right - needed to communicate to the first officer and to take all the right steps (proper braking, etc)
As a passenger who always noticed the degree to which LaGuardia seemed to be a major metropolitan airport crammed between sketchy junkyards and chop shops along Flushing Bay, flying out of there was always a leap of faith. I imagined it was a little like being a passenger on those small converted P-3 military transports ferrying crews on & off aircraft carriers. You knew if something went wrong with the takeoff, if you survived, you were likely still getting wet. Just the name- "Flushing" was so cringe-worthy when you saw that cesspool looking water and the garbage strewn shoreline nearby. Ugh.
Just goes to show how incredibly important good communication is.
The fact that the pilot missed that in the checklist is rudderly ridiculous!
I don't know if you have ever piloted an airplane, but it's actually easy to miss a line on a hardcopy checklist. The virtual ones on the tablet or monitor are better because you have to check them off as you do them.
Somebody got whoooshed.
I've binged watched all your videos and now I'm sad because I've got no more to watch
I didn’t see the “in memory of the two passengers that died”? RIP
Can you please do air algerie 737 crash pls I’ve been waiting it for it for 3 years
WHICH ONE ?????
@@andrewilliamcesardossantos1555 air Algérie flight 6289
I bet the passengers that missed the flight we're awful thankful
Or maybe they all died just like in the movie Final Destination lol
Thank you for adding information on consequences to the flight crew.
Synopsis
Probable causes
1.Pilot error
2.Maintenance error
3.Management error
Amicable solution
Pilot in Command should have been firm with his decision and not depart under pressure from Management.
Safety management systems can only be enhanced when all players Be Vigilant and pro-active towards Preventing collision in all phases of FLIGHT.
Keep the skies safe Aviators. Prevent collision always.
Very good video
where's the "in memory of the two passengers that didn't survive"?
Very well done, and very thorough. It is always most interesting to hear what happens to the crew after such accidents, if they're alive, that is. I do wonder if the pilot's licenses were ever re-instated; or were they fired?
Did they. Survive?
@@arribaficationwineho32 Well,....yeah. Didn't you watch it?
Donna Baardsen
As the pilots wear Uniform and are under Admiralty Law =
The correct word is > dismissed < not 'fired'
Make sure you learn that -
Even in the CORPORATE world = the legal word 'dismissed' is used.
Unfortunately you only understand and were only taught 'common Street English'
which is traditionally the language of peasants - politely referred to these days
as 'common people' who have only the most basic elementary education.
Undertake an extensive reading program to better educate yourself - read
books by accomplished authors - Stop reading LITERATI - and do crossword
puzzles to increase your vocabulary.
Also revoking the Pilots license and dismissal from the Airline that employed them
are two separate matters.
The last line you wrote seeks to combine the two separate matters into one.
The last line is vague in its description.
@@teenieneenie630 no. Not until I know they survived
@@andrew_koala2974 what is your problem?
I understand the Auto Brakes were also not turned on, which helped in the delay in braking, they left the runway at 34 KTS I was surprised it wasn't faster, the runway was wet that night and gets very slippery at the bay end.
Does anyone know what happened to the pilots?
They had their pilot certificates suspended but not revoked which means they got them back.
Did they stay with the airline?
Are they still flying these days?
I don't know the details but there are reports that the pilot's license was revoked, presumably after the NTSB investigation was completed.
Imagine having to be isolated by the Union from the Feds
Imagine that pilots didn't file a complaint about it, which may have led to jail time for those union representatives and saved their careers.
I know you had to leave an "Imagine" comment to feel like you are part of a group, but... yeah?? And??
@@christophelemaire4551 Imagine imagining that you imagine imagining imagining. Imagine that!!
@@martinc.720 I’m not part of it lmao
@@Interdictiondeltawing Imagine being part of it!
Best video ever
Thanks
nice video
The behaviors of the pilots really frustrated me
Was this the same accident where one of the flight attendants began yelling to passengers to assume the brace position without the captain’s instruction to do so? Her doing that was a violation of procedure, but she could tell the take-off was not normal and in that moment, she decided “to hell with my career, I need to try to save some of these people.” If it wasn’t this flight, it may have been another involving USAir.
Hi, I would love to see this channel do a video about Wichita State University’s football team in 1970
Did both pilots eventually get their license restored?
Love your videos. I am made fan of flight simulator.
Setting your flaps at 30 ??? When taking off
Nice job. That is a mystery, I don't think anyone could have turned the trim by accident. Maybe if they sat on it and twisted. It is a big knob. Strange that they waited so long to abort.
Why are there no alarms in place for any trim set to extreme positions? I fly giant scale rc planes and even we know all 4 trims must be near centre before take off.
Dang! I detected several mistakes while watching the video....before reading the ntsb's conclusions. I hope neither pilot was able to fly again.
I remember this well. I was staying at the LaGuardia Marriott right across the street. My window looked out towards the airport. I woke up about 1:30 am and sensed something wrong. I looked out the window and saw all kinds of activity at the air port. I knew something had happened. Later that am. I turned on the news and recognize immediately the news caster was at LaGuardia. All they said is that a flight had gone into the bay. Later I learned the pilots and 2 people in first class had died. Thank God the casualty’s were small, but God bless all those that were on the flight. I’ve flown many a flight in and out of LaGuardia. It’s a very tight runway and not a lot of room for error.
Thank you for this explanation. Good to know what happened so it doesn’t happen again. 🙏🏻🌹
? The pilots didn't die.
I stand corrected. You are right. The pilot’s did not die. Thank you for pointing that out.
@@truthseekerhill4262 no big deal 😉
@@truthseekerhill4262 I didn't mean to sound flippant by saying "no big deal" -- the fact that two passengers lost their lives is very sad and could have been prevented.
Oh no. Not a problem. I took no offense. I went back and checked it out. How the pilot’s were handled was really strange. I’m glad you caught my error. ☮️
These are brilliant videos, graphics and representation of the aircraft quite jaw-dropping. Only reservation is the copying word for word it seems of the Wikipedia entry for each accident!
Does anyone know if the pilots were actually intoxicated? Has there been any investigative journalism on this story?
I don't know, but having read the video it seems that the pilots labor union did an inquiry obstruct about this matter, which led the their licences suspended by FAA, most likely ruining their careers.
I took a dump in my pants in an airplane in severe turbulence. People were barfing lol
The ntsb was never able to prove anything. However I’d be willing to bet they might have had something in them. If you have nothing to hide you shouldn’t need to run
@@bluejar5614 You are absolutely correct. Any presstitute can publish any nonsense they imagine.
The union hiding them is certainly suspicious.
But unless they were at a bar and people saw and recognized them, it seems virtually impossible.
Since the union clearly interfered with a federal investigation, charges should (in my opinion) have been filed.
People did die, after all.
I remember this as a kid...my dad flew US air a lot and we did as a family. RIP to the homies
A terrible but completely avoidable tragedy. Because of incidents like this, pilot training and airline management have improved dramatically in the last thirty years. Good video work.
I remember this flight cause wasn’t this less than two months after the infamous United flight crash in Iowa? Unfortunately these pilots were much less heroic than those guys.
Great video, what about the Rest In Peace of the deceased passengers?
I bet the people left behind were thankful
Flight Channel… can you do a video on Aaliyah’s plane crash. That was a really sad loss for the R&B industry. She was only 22.
This would be a good one