I made this episode a long time ago (notice the old logo), and I never had the chance to upload it. As a result, the animations and graphics won’t be as good as in my latest videos. Apologies. A brand new episode is coming next Friday! ☺️
No problem about delay.... But I'm always desperate every Friday for your uploads..... PLz do a video on PK 661 .... Your video on on AB 202 was amazing
I thought that time in 70s and 80s that planes did had more crashes resulting in passengers loss of life deaths than now currently but that's Wrong...so Sad
What is even odder about Scandinavian Airlines is that once suitable smaller planes became available, they dumped their DC-10 and 747 fleet, in favor of the smaller Boeing 767-300ER. (Scandinavian Airlines has never had a large wide-body fleet.)
@@AEMoreira81 They used to have A340-300 like Lufthansa or Swiss (between others) but since the scamdemic they basically stopped long distance flights. I guess those Airbuses are in deep storage somewhere.
The number of cabin crew is always in relevance to number of passenger seats. Regardless if those are occupied or not. SAS always operate with enough crew to fulfill the quality of service in addition to safety.
It's nice to hear that the plane is still flying. The DC-10 had it's share of problems that killed quite a few people, but after everything was worked out it became a great aircraft a great workhorse for a lot of Airlines. I am glad FedEx keeps these birds flying.
@Suicidal in Cleveland As much as I love the aesthetic of those tri-jets, the unfortunate reality that myself and many across the world have been forced to accept in recent years is that twin jets are simply better in every way. They're less expensive, more fuel efficient, easier to maintain and so on. Although, there is talk of future supersonic jets using three engines so that's exciting.
I just told a good buddy today about this channel. He made sure to thank me already! He and I travelled with 2 other high school pals to the Bahamas in 1985 on an Eastern L1011 from Miami. He and I have been aviation enthusiasts ever since.
I FLY QUITE OFTEN ON LONG HAUL FLIGHTS. EVERY TIME WE GET STRONG TURBULENCE ✈️ I THINK OMG I HOPE I DONT APPEAR ON THE FLIGHT CHANNEL IN MEMORY OF ALL THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES.
I find this quite worrying. You're supposed to be a pilot who is experienced and comfortable with dealing with strong turbulence, not worried by it. Please get further help/training if you need it, because people's lives are in your hands.
@BRIMTIME !!!!!!! I'd wager if they did see this video and knew about the accident and damage (which appears extensive) that those Fed Ex pilots would be taking an extra good look at it, even today, since fatigue and repairs contribute to more problems down the road many times.
It seems like FedEx Pilots got sandbagged by FedEx buying up all of these DC-10's. I just pray that these Pilots have safe flights when they get one of these old jets. I would think that they should be getting to the age of MANDATORY retirement to Victorville, CA, where they can sit around all day in the sun. I mean...how many Landing/Takeoff Cycles can be expected out of planes this old and still safely hold up?! The LAST thing that ANY of us would want to see is DC-10's to start failing structurally..and start having a rash of "incidents" because of faulty airplane infrastructure caused by age related failures.
Patrick Mollohan Long haul jets have fewer cycles of pressurization. This determines the life span, fuselage and wing flex. Manufacturers use NDE testing during assembly to ensure integrity. They can determine the fatigue point of the structure through simulation and define the useful life. Maintenance procedures require periodic NDE inspections of critical structures. Cracks as small as 0.04 inches can be found and repaired. You can bet on that particular plane getting special scrutiny based on its history and flight hours, inspections becoming more frequent. Structures can be repaired to "new" condition.
@@Sweetteawillie Sweetteawillie, I completely understand what you are saying and I appreciate you letting me know these standards. My reasons for my comment was based on all the piss poured maintenance, and corner cutting that occurred on these planes in the past. I know that these, and all the other planes flying commercially, are supposed to undergo inspections at set intervals. I know that they are supposed to go thru a C or D check every so many years. Where they basically get stripped down to bare minimum and things like you said are performed. Cracks and other anomalies get fixed etc.. BTW, these cargo transports are long haul, but I'm pretty sure that they are cycled more than most long haul passenger flight, due to the sheer volume of cargo FedEx and others handle. I'm hoping that FedEx has extra jets to use while these jets are taken out of rotation, sometimes for weeks. My line of thought is..all companies are going to cut corners where they can. Some more unscrupulous carriers "pencil whip" and sign off on inspections that never get done. They basically roll the dice with peoples lives as the bet. FedEx and other freight carriers are big enough, and "liquid" enough, to have these intensive checks done. But do they? As far as computers go, they are a very big part of design now. I'm sure that everything is designed to withstand "worse case scenario" conditions. The question is: do the people who actually build the planes...follow these designs to the letter? All it would take is an Executive worrying about cutting down weight to save fuel, or any other crazy shit that people do nowadays. Could they require the builders to change from the original plans? All it takes is an Engineer to approve something like this. The top brass starts seeing $$$ being saved based on a possibly flawed calculation? NO...I'm not a conspiracy theorist or other kind of whackjob...lol! I'm sure that the majority of carriers following regulations and performing inspections, repairs, etc. My rambling is just based on all the lives this particular airplane has cost in the past. Mostly due to the aforementioned corner cutting, Jerry-rigging, and record falsification of the past. It's good that they found use for the DC10 as a cargo transporter. It's just something that always comes to mind when I see a DC10. Again, thank you for the info. I live learning and being enlightened. Have a great day!🙂
Patrick Mollohan Agreed. That being said, it would seem that DAL has a first rate maintenance program, having some of the oldest planes flying. But they too could be pencil whipping some stuff. I have performed phase inspections on Navy jets at squadron level, based on flight hours, but the the other in-depth checks are performed at depot level. I was an airframe mechanic.
I never heard of this incident, but thanks to the legendary and amazing TheFlightChannel, now I know! I learn something new everyday from this amazing guy.
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Altitude, direction and Speed, the 3 things u have to keep in mind all the time whenever flying, especialy when landing....Even an amateur pilot knows that! No one injured that s a good thing!
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@@MothaLuva A museum piece that flies around a few times per year at air shows is not the same thing as a plane from 1975 still making money flying 1000s of hours per year. It is magnitudes more impressive to keep a DC-10 in the air with it's complicated avionics and computer controlled systems.
I really like this video! I have been following you since a while and watching my favorite UA-camr grow is just amazing! Don't stop with it! This old theme and music are just nostalgic to me, the "good old times"
When the captain notified the co-pilot(pilot flying) that the airspeed was "too high", I believe he "erred" in telling him to "Bring it DOWN". No one will know for certain but the co-pilot may have considered making a go-around, but the captain told him otherwise and the co-pilot immediately did so, believing the captain made the wiser decision. It's can be hard to remember that when YOURE the PIC, it is YOU who makes the final decision whether to land or go-around.
The captain should have called for a go-around and not "put it down". But the captain is the pilot in command, even if the first officer is manipulating the controls. This would have been a good time for a mutiny by the first officer, which would have been forgiven (and hopefully rewarded) once the airspeed information was retrieved.
It doesn't matter if it is an old video, I still loved it! One thing is that the old music montage with the recap at the end of the video is one of the things I loved and miss with your newer videos. Keep up the good work! :D
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The failure to closely monitor airspeed on an approach in low IFR conditions is inexplicable. The basic stuff one learns in primary flight training seems to get disregarded when automation is available and relied upon. Sad..and inexcusable.
Yep. Many pilots become auto-pilot cripples. They rely on the auto-pilot to do everything. Both of those pilots should be fired for incompetence, because they gave up their ability to fly. They might make OK ramp agents though.
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I almost didn’t watch this because I don’t care for the new music style, but was pleasantly surprised to hear the old music again - the music that perfectly matches the content.
When I saw the video, I did not even see the title, and when I first saw the plane, I was like ' Wait, so TFC uploaded another Malaysian Airlines vid?'. Even if this vid is in your oldest files, it is still great!
Thats because it was a DC10 built in the 70s. Had it been airbus or boeing of today it would have torn apart and possibly had casualties. Planes back then were built with alot of structural redundancy. As an experenced dc10 guy told me once. They really didn't know how strong to build them back then so they built them as strong as possible!!
@@andrewmyralane6673 Thats not true. Today's airliners have materials and are built to absorb as much energy as possible to protect passengers in a crash landing. Its the same logic as new cars vs old cars. A fender bender in a 80's car might not crush the car so much, but you'll feel the impact much more, possibly causing injury, while a new car will crush and crumble but will absorb the energy away from the passengers.
@@andrewmyralane6673 excuse me but I don't think older means sturdier, far from that, for example the DC10 had a couple of accidents with it's door and some were even fatal, the people who built this plane knew this but said nothing and also investigators on the Turkish airlines crash just after taking off from Paris pointed out that even though the DC10 passed safety tests, they only met the strict minimum requirements which is somewhat not very reassuring, this just proves the DC10 was simply a bad plane, and also just look at the DC10 accident. In that video, the plane would have never overrun the runway if the auto throttle would have worked like on airbuses or boeings, this is an old plane that wasn't even structurally sturdy like you want us to believe. Look, my father used to fly in DC10's to go to Africa for his work and he always said he'd rather pay himself a bit more to fly with a330's then to fly with the uncomfortable, loud and frankly not very confidence inspiring DC10.
@@notproplayer3649 after the 70s, weren't most of the issues airline maintenance that was using a forklift to service the engine. I flew home from Honolulu to SF on a DC10 Oct1988, and sitting in the middle row, I can tell you it was a very comfortable ride to the mainland
@@califdad4 the forklift maintenance issue was what caused the deadliest crash in America because the engine fell off on take off, it was due to improper maintenance by American airlines (I think) who took off the entire engine block at once instead by multiple pieces who saved money but was also riskier, and the forklift accidentally hit the mounting point of the engine which made it go loose the day of the crash, this wasn't the DC10's fault but it was also a single accident, what was far more dangerous were the cargo doors that already claimed the life of a 100 victims, but thankfully there was an extremely skilled and competent crew who managed to land the plane in Sioux city and so saved the lives of the 200 who survived. The FAA "recommended" McDonnell to change the locking mechanism of the doors so that it would be easier to tell if they were properly locked or no but these fuckers didn't do that and 3 years later, the Turkish airlines crash occurred which was inevitable, this was McDonnell's and the FAA's fault. I haven't flown in the Dc10 but I flew in the a330, my father has flown in both and says that the a330 is so much more confidence inspiring then the dc10 and even much more comfortable which isn't a surprise to me having flown it, there is a pertucular incident my father told me happened to him on the Dc10, after taking off from Marseilley, he heard a loud bang and seconds after, the crew rushed to look through the windows while saying (in French) "we can't see anything, there's nothing out on this side...", the checked to see the plane from every window but fortunately it was nothing and the plane flew as it was nothing... In the end I just think that the Dc10 is from a different era, good thing it flies only cargo nowadays
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What a conversation starter: "My plane landed at JFK and crashed, and I got to use my seat a flotation device!" How do you form a comeback for that one? All jokes aside, so grateful that everyone survived.
@California Dreamin I think you're quite right. I've seen forklifts used to take the bodies back off the improvised morgue trailers, I assume they're taken off as the mortuary services can get to them. Bodies get transported in black vans. There's a very good mortuary school in my city, I'm kicking around the idea of a degree. 👍
i guess these pilots trusted too much in automation, didnt check their airspeed and even after all that the captain says put it down? come on man even a Cessna first year private pilot would call a go around. Too bad.
@Olivia P when i was in the army senior NCO Told us in NCO-school that a leader Who survives too long on the field either starts to think hes immortal or frail as a glass sculpture, and those lead to deaths. I guess it applies on everything
Ret Captain: the awareness of landing performance of commercial jets has been very low and continues to be a global aviation cause of crashes. This subject deserves yearly review during pilot checks and in initial acft qualifications. Crosswinds, tire/surface wear, gross weight, runway contamination, are factors even when landing on speed on touchdown zones. I’ve performed and commanded go arounds when at least one factor was iffy. I’m glad I did. This was a go around at 500 ft; not stable. The results speaks loudly. Thanks
@@Rhaman68 True. If you haven't achieved all the parameters for a stable approach by the Final Approach Fix or by 500' AGL you MUST perform a go round. I'm long retired now but I remember we introduced this into our SOP's about 20 years ago as an absolute requirement.
I have no connection with the Aviation Industry, but enjoy avidly watching your forensic analyses of Aircraft Incidents and crashes! Have you ever produced one looking into the notorious ‘Lockerbie Disaster’ involving Pan Am flight 103?
These replays of old accidents using (what I presume to be) Windows flight simulator is pure genius. I think it would be a bit better though if the original flight audio were used instead of text. I know that isn't always available, but it would be cool.
David But I believe pilots liked flying it. Captain Al Haines, UA 232, 1989 Sioux City crash, said he found it easy to fly - until the engine 2 fan disk disintegration disabled all the hydraulics.
Joaquin Marquillero hello, but I was still flying on DC10 s , after they were grounded in USA< LUFTHANSA, was my flights then . Cheers From NJ USA🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Thanks for posting. I grew up next to JFK and remember this crash. Dad took us up Rockaway Turnpike to see it and you could see SAS hanging over the edge of Thurston Basin. It sat there for a few days from what I remember until they got it pulled out. What an eerie sight. At the time my biggest fear was that if I were on the plane I might have had to jump into that nasty water since some people had to jump into the water even though that basin is only a few feet deep
I just discovered your site! You do an excellent job with your videos and the accurate information. I am not a pilot but have a family full of them! My brother wrote flight simulator for Microsoft and got the program into all branches of the military for use as a training tool. He wrote several other flight programs. Very proud of him!
I am not a pilot, but I do watch lots of YT vids 😁, and I have been a passenger on commercial flights. What I've learned is the NTSB is going to attribute every single accident to pilot error. They're going to find something the pilots did incorrectly, or not exactly by the book for that particular aircraft. IMO if there is a system built into the aircraft which is supposed to serve a particular function, then it damn-well should perform that function. This is a case of a known issue with the aircraft's computer system. Yet the pilots are blamed for relying on this malfunctioning system. There is an easy explanation for this. The NTSB gets wined and dined by the aircraft manufacturers and all those involved in that industry. They know each other on a first name basis, and the pilots are going to end up at the wrong end of the investigation about 99% of the time because of this. Again, I have no sides on this as I am but an infrequent passenger. There just always seems to be a pilot error component when something goes wrong. It is like telling pilots, "this is the auto-pilot button. But if the auto-pilot f*cks up, it's your ass."
@@pittmanfh, then you add a completely incompetent and narcissistic organization called the FAA to the mix and it's complete wonder that ANYONE wold ever want to be a pilot anywhere in this country! Far too many things go wrong that shouldn't have because these BOZOS refuse to do their jobs because it might impact their bed partners in the industry!
@@pittmanfh: In this instance, there was very clearly pilot error involved. From a student’s very first flight lesson, they are taught that monitoring airspeed is critical during an approach and landing. Clearly neither one of them were monitoring it. Second, if a wide body DC-10 has not touched down with half the runway gone, the Captain should have ordered or initiated a go-around. The aircraft had enough airspeed to perform a climb out. Lastly, the pilots were already aware of the unreliability of the auto throttles because of problems during the flight. There was no reason whatsoever they needed or should have relied on auto throttle to make a safe and coordinated landing. Technology and pilot aids such as auto pilot and auto throttle were invented to reduce pilot workload and fatigue, but this and other videos have demonstrated that too many commercial pilots place an over reliance on these systems to the point they don’t recognize malfunctions until it’s too late.
Uridien 1 download the app Flightradar24. It shows every plane up in the sky worldwide. Even if you were flying tomorrow and you new that there was going to ba a plane crash and you wanted to be on it. To go out in a blaze of glory, good luck picking that very flight. The odds are astronomical. Now dying in a car crash on the way to the airport.......
Let this be a lesson about self-driving cars. Computers, wires, and switches all have a tendency to fail, and Murphy's Law says they will fail at the most inopportune times. Coming in 50 knots too fast and no one notices?
@@Violetenist No doubt........especially the MCAS computer on the 737MAX......... Computers do what they do very well.....when they work. But when we depend on them and they fail, especially on a critical safety system, human lives are lost. Not acceptable.
I remember this. It was just before I moved to Vermont. Most notably in my memory is the fact that when I left for my evening out in "the city" you could read the livery and when I came home it had been painted over. I am sure the livery was in yellow. It was covered with black. This was some years after the Eastern crash just short of the runway from the other direction. Not so many survivors in that one. Somwhere in between I worked for Allied Aviation Services unloading British Airways planes as well as BWIA, Air Jamaica and a couple of others. It was an interesting working environment.
It's not 1979 but 1981,was en route to Antarctica, it's flight plan was changed by Air New Zealand such that it's final destination was mount Erebus. After that that particular flight was discontinued.
Another lesson for the future and today. I remember my first ride on a Delta DC-10 from DFW too LAX also in 1984 when I was in Kindergarten. No matter how convenient or smart computers get they also r at risk for a malfunction so u can not let your guard down and should be able too take control immediately. Getting Complacent is our biggest problem. Sure they work 99 percent of the time but it only takes that one percent and that's the fear.
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It seems like most crashes occur when the co-pilot is flying the plane. The Captain should have been monitoring the copilot's high speed as well as the high altitude and called a go-around, especially when they landed so far down the runway.
This isnt true. There were also not few crashes when the captain was flying and where accidents could have been avoided if the copilot communicated his doubts. So, if a plane crashes because of pilot error, the whole crew failed, not a single pilot.
I made this episode a long time ago (notice the old logo), and I never had the chance to upload it. As a result, the animations and graphics won’t be as good as in my latest videos. Apologies. A brand new episode is coming next Friday! ☺️
Can you do the 2002 Uberlingen mid-air collision next?
TheFlightChannel I agree with Lincoln’s Aviation, you should do that.
Norway not Norwey.
No problem about delay.... But I'm always desperate every Friday for your uploads..... PLz do a video on PK 661 .... Your video on on AB 202 was amazing
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I thought that time in 70s and 80s that planes did had more crashes resulting in passengers loss of life deaths than now currently but that's Wrong...so Sad
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I love how in 1984 there were 14 crew members. Now you would be lucky to have half that much! Nice video.
What is even odder about Scandinavian Airlines is that once suitable smaller planes became available, they dumped their DC-10 and 747 fleet, in favor of the smaller Boeing 767-300ER. (Scandinavian Airlines has never had a large wide-body fleet.)
@@AEMoreira81 They used to have A340-300 like Lufthansa or Swiss (between others) but since the scamdemic they basically stopped long distance flights. I guess those Airbuses are in deep storage somewhere.
@@julosx Scamdemic lmao. Okay buddy
@@julosx You're as edgy as a ball peen hammer.
The number of cabin crew is always in relevance to number of passenger seats. Regardless if those are occupied or not. SAS always operate with enough crew to fulfill the quality of service in addition to safety.
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It's nice to hear that the plane is still flying. The DC-10 had it's share of problems that killed quite a few people, but after everything was worked out it became a great aircraft a great workhorse for a lot of Airlines. I am glad FedEx keeps these birds flying.
@Suicidal in Cleveland As much as I love the aesthetic of those tri-jets, the unfortunate reality that myself and many across the world have been forced to accept in recent years is that twin jets are simply better in every way. They're less expensive, more fuel efficient, easier to maintain and so on. Although, there is talk of future supersonic jets using three engines so that's exciting.
@@JourdainWong Like a Concorde 2.0?
@@joebarton691 Yeah, it's called the Boom XB-1. I doubt it's gonna be in service anytime soon, but it's an interesting concept.
@@vincentdow5899 the 747 still exists. that mfer got 4
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I FLY QUITE OFTEN ON LONG HAUL FLIGHTS. EVERY TIME WE GET STRONG TURBULENCE ✈️ I THINK OMG I HOPE I DONT APPEAR ON THE FLIGHT CHANNEL IN MEMORY OF ALL THOSE WHO LOST THEIR LIVES.
me read It again, because It looks like you don’t understand what I am saying.
Watch Mentour Pilot channel about turbulence, maybe you will gain some confidence during those bumpy rides.
Sweetteawillie thank you I will watch It cheers.
I find this quite worrying. You're supposed to be a pilot who is experienced and comfortable with dealing with strong turbulence, not worried by it. Please get further help/training if you need it, because people's lives are in your hands.
@@clouds53 I think he means he's a passenger
"Everyone on board survived" Best part of the video. Great job as always!
Could you imagine being a Fed Ex pilot and seeing that the plane you fly today is this one in the incident!!
@BRIMTIME !!!!!!!
I'd wager if they did see this video and knew about the accident and damage (which appears extensive) that those Fed Ex pilots would be taking an extra good look at it, even today, since fatigue and repairs contribute to more problems down the road many times.
It seems like FedEx Pilots got sandbagged by FedEx buying up all of these DC-10's. I just pray that these Pilots have safe flights when they get one of these old jets. I would think that they should be getting to the age of MANDATORY retirement to Victorville, CA, where they can sit around all day in the sun.
I mean...how many Landing/Takeoff Cycles can be expected out of planes this old and still safely hold up?! The LAST thing that ANY of us would want to see is DC-10's to start failing structurally..and start having a rash of "incidents" because of faulty airplane infrastructure caused by age related failures.
Patrick Mollohan
Long haul jets have fewer cycles of pressurization.
This determines the life span, fuselage and wing flex.
Manufacturers use NDE testing during assembly to ensure integrity. They can determine the fatigue point of the structure through simulation and define the useful life.
Maintenance procedures require periodic NDE inspections of critical structures. Cracks as small as 0.04 inches can be found and repaired. You can bet on that particular plane getting special scrutiny based on its history and flight hours, inspections becoming more frequent. Structures can be repaired to "new" condition.
@@Sweetteawillie Sweetteawillie, I completely understand what you are saying and I appreciate you letting me know these standards.
My reasons for my comment was based on all the piss poured maintenance, and corner cutting that occurred on these planes in the past.
I know that these, and all the other planes flying commercially, are supposed to undergo inspections at set intervals. I know that they are supposed to go thru a C or D check every so many years. Where they basically get stripped down to bare minimum and things like you said are performed. Cracks and other anomalies get fixed etc..
BTW, these cargo transports are long haul, but I'm pretty sure that they are cycled more than most long haul passenger flight, due to the sheer volume of cargo FedEx and others handle. I'm hoping that FedEx has extra jets to use while these jets are taken out of rotation, sometimes for weeks. My line of thought is..all companies are going to cut corners where they can. Some more unscrupulous carriers "pencil whip" and sign off on inspections that never get done. They basically roll the dice with peoples lives as the bet. FedEx and other freight carriers are big enough, and "liquid" enough, to have these intensive checks done. But do they? As far as computers go, they are a very big part of design now. I'm sure that everything is designed to withstand "worse case scenario" conditions. The question is: do the people who actually build the planes...follow these designs to the letter? All it would take is an Executive worrying about cutting down weight to save fuel, or any other crazy shit that people do nowadays. Could they require the builders to change from the original plans? All it takes is an Engineer to approve something like this. The top brass starts seeing $$$ being saved based on a possibly flawed calculation?
NO...I'm not a conspiracy theorist or other kind of whackjob...lol! I'm sure that the majority of carriers following regulations and performing inspections, repairs, etc. My rambling is just based on all the lives this particular airplane has cost in the past. Mostly due to the aforementioned corner cutting, Jerry-rigging, and record falsification of the past. It's good that they found use for the DC10 as a cargo transporter. It's just something that always comes to mind when I see a DC10.
Again, thank you for the info. I live learning and being enlightened. Have a great day!🙂
Patrick Mollohan
Agreed.
That being said, it would seem that DAL has a first rate maintenance program, having some of the oldest planes flying. But they too could be pencil whipping some stuff.
I have performed phase inspections on Navy jets at squadron level, based on flight hours, but the the other in-depth checks are performed at depot level. I was an airframe mechanic.
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Altitude, direction and Speed, the 3 things u have to keep in mind all the time whenever flying, especialy when landing....Even an amateur pilot knows that! No one injured that s a good thing!
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Even though this is a old video, it is a big relief to see that everyone survived. Great videos, very detailed, thank you.
I love The Flight Channel - I like to watch at night to relax before bedtime. Your presentations are first rate and the music only enhances the visuals. One of my favorite channels!
When friday becomes your favorite day cause the flightchannel is dropping a new video ❤🙏🏽😍
Facts and Friday is also our favorite day because we finally get out of that boring building for 7 to 8 hours straight, aka sChOoL
Thank You for creating the Best videos on flights, systems, NTSB and the airlines involved. The visuals and text let you see what was happening and most importantly the final outcome. Enjoy it "Immensely"! Great Job!!!!
The killer combo of superior life like simulation, thrilling music and storytelling makes me in..
I guess its old but gold?
Excellent work as always!
This is the best channel on UA-cam hands down. I know they involve plane crashes which suck but thanks to this channel we learn so much about what happened. The way you put these videos together is truly amazing.
I’m really glad that you appreciate my content 😊
Beautiful as always, but looking at this older video, it's amazing how much more professional your videos are now!
You're the best Flight Channel. I love your videos. You're one of the best UA-camrs here in UA-cam. Congrats fir having 772K subscribers BTW including me. Keep up the great work. You're awsome MyFlightChannel.
I honestly find it amazing how people can pull planes out of the water like that and somehow fix up the damage
But even more amazing are these videos
thanks for these amazing videos!! 👍👍👍
A plane from 1975 that still flies today...
Your still around with another new name how many passports do you own haha🇬🇧✈️👨✈️🇺🇸💗🙋♀️
@@elaineblackhurst1509 a lot😂
Age doesnt mean anything on planes
There are planes from 1918 still flying. And flying well.
@@MothaLuva A museum piece that flies around a few times per year at air shows is not the same thing as a plane from 1975 still making money flying 1000s of hours per year. It is magnitudes more impressive to keep a DC-10 in the air with it's complicated avionics and computer controlled systems.
Go around!!
Great video, very educational
My heart dropped when it hit the water, but then it got lifted when I heard they all survived.
I really like this video! I have been following you since a while and watching my favorite UA-camr grow is just amazing! Don't stop with it! This old theme and music are just nostalgic to me, the "good old times"
When the captain notified the co-pilot(pilot flying) that the airspeed was "too high", I believe he "erred" in telling him to "Bring it DOWN".
No one will know for certain but the co-pilot may have considered making a go-around, but the captain told him otherwise and the co-pilot immediately did so, believing the captain made the wiser decision.
It's can be hard to remember that when YOURE the PIC, it is YOU who makes the final decision whether to land or go-around.
I was mulling over exactly that....
Couldn't have said it better!
The captain should have called for a go-around and not "put it down". But the captain is the pilot in command, even if the first officer is manipulating the controls. This would have been a good time for a mutiny by the first officer, which would have been forgiven (and hopefully rewarded) once the airspeed information was retrieved.
What a great video. Really shows the professionalism that goes into making these. Great job!
Thank you for returning ur old music theme, its ur original music legacy ❤️
Nasser Aljofairi this was an old video he never got the chance to upload
Love the music, perfect.
Like netting?
It doesn't matter if it is an old video, I still loved it! One thing is that the old music montage with the recap at the end of the video is one of the things I loved and miss with your newer videos. Keep up the good work! :D
a well explained air crash, thank you.
TheFlightChannel: you're just amazing. The video quality, detailed commentaries, awesome graphics ...everything's just outstanding. Please keep up the good work that you're doing, it's being appreciated!
The failure to closely monitor airspeed on an approach in low IFR conditions is inexplicable. The basic stuff one learns in primary flight training seems to get disregarded when automation is available and relied upon. Sad..and inexcusable.
yup
Yep. Many pilots become auto-pilot cripples. They rely on the auto-pilot to do everything. Both of those pilots should be fired for incompetence, because they gave up their ability to fly. They might make OK ramp agents though.
Well it just gives us a chance to remember back to where you were, up until where you are now. 1.7K+ people are still here watching it😊😊
Now can we talk about that angle 3:00. Talk about a beautiful plane!!
Now I think that after watching you for years..... I was over here shouting..... Y'all going to fast!! This is the first time I was quick to blame the pilots. Thanks for another great video TFC👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
TO EVERYONE WHO SEES THIS..... HAVE A GREAT WEEKEND!!
New or old, you deliver consistently good content.
Professional, accurate and top notch execution.
Thanks, I appreciate 😊
I almost didn’t watch this because I don’t care for the new music style, but was pleasantly surprised to hear the old music again - the music that perfectly matches the content.
Plane: **crashes**
Me: pls say it pls pls pls
Video: *Everyone on board survived*
Me: yesss
Excellent comment!! 👍❤️
Plane: **impact ices**
Me: pls say it now survived pls pls pls
Video: *Everyone on board survived!*
Me: yayyyy
Plane: crashes
Me: now say it pls pls pls
Video: *Everyone on board is killed*
Me: fuck
When I saw the video, I did not even see the title, and when I first saw the plane, I was like ' Wait, so TFC uploaded another Malaysian Airlines vid?'. Even if this vid is in your oldest files, it is still great!
The old music is back!
Aviation Center It isn’t back this is just an old video but uploaded later
DerpyPenguin Official no it isnt
Bigboybilly 737373737383838338388338383838383828 Uh, yes it is. Read his comment on this video
@@IIIllllIIIIlllll No it isnt lol. It's just an old video he never uploaded.
Fury Did you reply to the wrong person? My reply was to Bigboy who claimed it *wasn’t* an old video..
I always anticipate your videos. Great work!
I am amazed that the plane was repaired and put back in service. Certainly looked like a write off to me. 🤔
Thats because it was a DC10 built in the 70s. Had it been airbus or boeing of today it would have torn apart and possibly had casualties. Planes back then were built with alot of structural redundancy. As an experenced dc10 guy told me once. They really didn't know how strong to build them back then so they built them as strong as possible!!
@@andrewmyralane6673 Thats not true. Today's airliners have materials and are built to absorb as much energy as possible to protect passengers in a crash landing. Its the same logic as new cars vs old cars.
A fender bender in a 80's car might not crush the car so much, but you'll feel the impact much more, possibly causing injury, while a new car will crush and crumble but will absorb the energy away from the passengers.
@@andrewmyralane6673 excuse me but I don't think older means sturdier, far from that, for example the DC10 had a couple of accidents with it's door and some were even fatal, the people who built this plane knew this but said nothing and also investigators on the Turkish airlines crash just after taking off from Paris pointed out that even though the DC10 passed safety tests, they only met the strict minimum requirements which is somewhat not very reassuring, this just proves the DC10 was simply a bad plane, and also just look at the DC10 accident. In that video, the plane would have never overrun the runway if the auto throttle would have worked like on airbuses or boeings, this is an old plane that wasn't even structurally sturdy like you want us to believe. Look, my father used to fly in DC10's to go to Africa for his work and he always said he'd rather pay himself a bit more to fly with a330's then to fly with the uncomfortable, loud and frankly not very confidence inspiring DC10.
@@notproplayer3649 after the 70s, weren't most of the issues airline maintenance that was using a forklift to service the engine. I flew home from Honolulu to SF on a DC10 Oct1988, and sitting in the middle row, I can tell you it was a very comfortable ride to the mainland
@@califdad4 the forklift maintenance issue was what caused the deadliest crash in America because the engine fell off on take off, it was due to improper maintenance by American airlines (I think) who took off the entire engine block at once instead by multiple pieces who saved money but was also riskier, and the forklift accidentally hit the mounting point of the engine which made it go loose the day of the crash, this wasn't the DC10's fault but it was also a single accident, what was far more dangerous were the cargo doors that already claimed the life of a 100 victims, but thankfully there was an extremely skilled and competent crew who managed to land the plane in Sioux city and so saved the lives of the 200 who survived. The FAA "recommended" McDonnell to change the locking mechanism of the doors so that it would be easier to tell if they were properly locked or no but these fuckers didn't do that and 3 years later, the Turkish airlines crash occurred which was inevitable, this was McDonnell's and the FAA's fault. I haven't flown in the Dc10 but I flew in the a330, my father has flown in both and says that the a330 is so much more confidence inspiring then the dc10 and even much more comfortable which isn't a surprise to me having flown it, there is a pertucular incident my father told me happened to him on the Dc10, after taking off from Marseilley, he heard a loud bang and seconds after, the crew rushed to look through the windows while saying (in French) "we can't see anything, there's nothing out on this side...", the checked to see the plane from every window but fortunately it was nothing and the plane flew as it was nothing... In the end I just think that the Dc10 is from a different era, good thing it flies only cargo nowadays
Idk how I found this channel but I've been binge watching. Dude this is amazing freaking work you put into these video and information. Thanks for making my nights better! Love watching these
What a conversation starter: "My plane landed at JFK and crashed, and I got to use my seat a flotation device!" How do you form a comeback for that one?
All jokes aside, so grateful that everyone survived.
@California Dreamin
I think you're quite right. I've seen forklifts used to take the bodies back off the improvised morgue trailers, I assume they're taken off as the mortuary services can get to them.
Bodies get transported in black vans. There's a very good mortuary school in my city, I'm kicking around the idea of a degree. 👍
You make so fantastic videos my man!
i guess these pilots trusted too much in automation, didnt check their airspeed and even after all that the captain says put it down? come on man even a Cessna first year private pilot would call a go around. Too bad.
but then as you pilot the ship for years you get confident
@Olivia P when i was in the army senior NCO Told us in NCO-school that a leader Who survives too long on the field either starts to think hes immortal or frail as a glass sculpture, and those lead to deaths. I guess it applies on everything
Exactly. Pilots not perfect. But the price for it can be high.
Ret Captain: the awareness of landing performance of commercial jets has been very low and continues to be a global aviation cause of crashes. This subject deserves yearly review during pilot checks and in initial acft qualifications. Crosswinds, tire/surface wear, gross weight, runway contamination, are factors even when landing on speed on touchdown zones. I’ve performed and commanded go arounds when at least one factor was iffy. I’m glad I did. This was a go around at 500 ft; not stable. The results speaks loudly. Thanks
@@Rhaman68 True. If you haven't achieved all the parameters for a stable approach by the Final Approach Fix or by 500' AGL you MUST perform a go round. I'm long retired now but I remember we introduced this into our SOP's about 20 years ago as an absolute requirement.
Your content is amazing! I love watching your videos!
I have no connection with the Aviation Industry, but enjoy avidly watching your forensic analyses of Aircraft Incidents and crashes! Have you ever produced one looking into the notorious ‘Lockerbie Disaster’ involving Pan Am flight 103?
These replays of old accidents using (what I presume to be) Windows flight simulator is pure genius. I think it would be a bit better though if the original flight audio were used instead of text. I know that isn't always available, but it would be cool.
DC 10 was a beautiful aircraft. The mechanics at my airline called it the "Death Cruiser" though. so many accidents in its early days.
David But I believe pilots liked flying it. Captain Al Haines, UA 232, 1989 Sioux City crash, said he found it easy to fly - until the engine 2 fan disk disintegration disabled all the hydraulics.
@@Vistamister They figured how to fly it with the throttles and ailerons, which they could not duplicate in the simulator.
I don't mind if it's an old video. All of your videos are awesome. Can't wait for next Friday!
Amazing Videos .. SPEECHLESS !!!
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Your videos are remarkable. Cannot imagine the work: the research, the graphics, the presentation. Thank you.
I feel bad, since the DC-10 is my favorite aircraft but it got a bad reputation
Still, I am glad that everyone survived this crash
Joaquin Marquillero hello, but I was still flying on DC10 s , after they were grounded in USA< LUFTHANSA, was my flights then . Cheers From NJ USA🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
Beautiful recreation as always!!! It's so good to hear the old music pattern again. A welcome change! Hope it continues. Much love from India!! :)
"EVERYONE SURVIVED" good
Exceptional news, considering it's DC 10
fedex still using them, so they are still sky bombs
Thanks for posting. I grew up next to JFK and remember this crash. Dad took us up Rockaway Turnpike to see it and you could see SAS hanging over the edge of Thurston Basin. It sat there for a few days from what I remember until they got it pulled out. What an eerie sight. At the time my biggest fear was that if I were on the plane I might have had to jump into that nasty water since some people had to jump into the water even though that basin is only a few feet deep
44 years old and still in service. I am still amazed when I see a 40 year old box car.
Started watching your video's back in the day and the only change I can see is they've gotten better if that's possible.
Great video
I feel good when I see : Everyone on Board Survive…
I just discovered your site! You do an excellent job with your videos and the accurate information. I am not a pilot but have a family full of them! My brother wrote flight simulator for Microsoft and got the program into all branches of the military for use as a training tool. He wrote several other flight programs. Very proud of him!
It still operated as of August 2019
Great video, as usual. Congrat's !
The best words to hear in an aviation disaster documentary/simulation: EVERYONE ON BOARD SURVIVED.
You have a great channel, TheFlightChannel! Fabulous graphics and clear, concise explanations.
I love your edits and you channel keep up the good work👍🏼👍🏼
I continue to enjoy watching your channel. Your work is excellent in my opinion.
So many hours of experience and both pilots still made mistakes. Thankfully all survived.
So well done, as always. Thank you!
“In honor of the pilot who lost his job” 😂
Or pilots
I am not a pilot, but I do watch lots of YT vids 😁, and I have been a passenger on commercial flights. What I've learned is the NTSB is going to attribute every single accident to pilot error. They're going to find something the pilots did incorrectly, or not exactly by the book for that particular aircraft. IMO if there is a system built into the aircraft which is supposed to serve a particular function, then it damn-well should perform that function. This is a case of a known issue with the aircraft's computer system. Yet the pilots are blamed for relying on this malfunctioning system. There is an easy explanation for this. The NTSB gets wined and dined by the aircraft manufacturers and all those involved in that industry. They know each other on a first name basis, and the pilots are going to end up at the wrong end of the investigation about 99% of the time because of this. Again, I have no sides on this as I am but an infrequent passenger. There just always seems to be a pilot error component when something goes wrong. It is like telling pilots, "this is the auto-pilot button. But if the auto-pilot f*cks up, it's your ass."
@@pittmanfh corruption like that is what lead to the MAX 8 deaths. It's good that this is finally in the open, at least compared to before
@@pittmanfh, then you add a completely incompetent and narcissistic organization called the FAA to the mix and it's complete wonder that ANYONE wold ever want to be a pilot anywhere in this country! Far too many things go wrong that shouldn't have because these BOZOS refuse to do their jobs because it might impact their bed partners in the industry!
@@pittmanfh: In this instance, there was very clearly pilot error involved. From a student’s very first flight lesson, they are taught that monitoring airspeed is critical during an approach and landing. Clearly neither one of them were monitoring it. Second, if a wide body DC-10 has not touched down with half the runway gone, the Captain should have ordered or initiated a go-around. The aircraft had enough airspeed to perform a climb out. Lastly, the pilots were already aware of the unreliability of the auto throttles because of problems during the flight. There was no reason whatsoever they needed or should have relied on auto throttle to make a safe and coordinated landing. Technology and pilot aids such as auto pilot and auto throttle were invented to reduce pilot workload and fatigue, but this and other videos have demonstrated that too many commercial pilots place an over reliance on these systems to the point they don’t recognize malfunctions until it’s too late.
Nice work as usual.
7:12 how the heck *this* plane returned to service, it was almost converted to a submarine
ilias_s 'tis but a scratch!
Wow!!! Glad everyone was ok. Another great video.
I haven't been on a plane since discovering this channel.
It'll be interesting when that day comes... 🥺
Uridien 1 download the app Flightradar24. It shows every plane up in the sky worldwide. Even if you were flying tomorrow and you new that there was going to ba a plane crash and you wanted to be on it. To go out in a blaze of glory, good luck picking that very flight. The odds are astronomical. Now dying in a car crash on the way to the airport.......
I love your videos, short and to the point. Facts without the drama.
Let this be a lesson about self-driving cars. Computers, wires, and switches all have a tendency to fail, and Murphy's Law says they will fail at the most inopportune times. Coming in 50 knots too fast and no one notices?
As a pilot, I agree completely.
I would never knowingly board any aircraft that was flown solely by computer without a human pilot supervising.
@@rrknl5187 good luck with going to most trips since computers are more reliable than human error
@@Violetenist No doubt........especially the MCAS computer on the 737MAX.........
Computers do what they do very well.....when they work. But when we depend on them and they fail, especially on a critical safety system, human lives are lost.
Not acceptable.
@@Violetenist Computers are designed by humans so they will always be prone to failure
I remember this. It was just before I moved to Vermont. Most notably in my memory is the fact that when I left for my evening out in "the city" you could read the livery and when I came home it had been painted over. I am sure the livery was in yellow. It was covered with black.
This was some years after the Eastern crash just short of the runway from the other direction. Not so many survivors in that one. Somwhere in between I worked for Allied Aviation Services unloading British Airways planes as well as BWIA, Air Jamaica and a couple of others. It was an interesting working environment.
I just noticed that another dc-10 in 1979 that crashed in mount Erebus had the same flight number as this one 901
It's not 1979 but 1981,was en route to Antarctica, it's flight plan was changed by Air New Zealand such that it's final destination was mount Erebus. After that that particular flight was discontinued.
Edmund Hilary was supposed to be on that flight. His close pal took his place on that doomed flight.
Everyone survived and the old music is back - so nice, thank you!!
Another lesson for the future and today. I remember my first ride on a Delta DC-10 from DFW too LAX also in 1984 when I was in Kindergarten. No matter how convenient or smart computers get they also r at risk for a malfunction so u can not let your guard down and should be able too take control immediately. Getting Complacent is our biggest problem. Sure they work 99 percent of the time but it only takes that one percent and that's the fear.
I eagerly look forward to all of your videos..absolutely the best.
I can't wait till Friday night it used to be going out clubbing now it's a night of watching tube watching The flight channel new videos thumps up if u like watching the flight channel on Fridays..
Pilot: Brake! BRAKE!
UA-cam:
Me: Well played, UA-cam. Well played.
Hi appreciate your hard work i love your channel. Please check for gulf air crashed in Bahrain in 2000, u might create one more great video about it :)
Keep up the good work. Love your channel
It seems like most crashes occur when the co-pilot is flying the plane. The Captain should have been monitoring the copilot's high speed as well as the high altitude and called a go-around, especially when they landed so far down the runway.
This isnt true. There were also not few crashes when the captain was flying and where accidents could have been avoided if the copilot communicated his doubts. So, if a plane crashes because of pilot error, the whole crew failed, not a single pilot.
Ahhh, sweet Friday, AND a new TFC vid!
_"Everybody lives, Rose! Just this once! EVERYBODY LIVES!!!"_
I actually LOL at this reference
Superb Production, despite it's vintage. We always look forward to your releases. Keep up the fantastic work. Bob
If it is old, it is still good. I love it! Nice video! :D
Thanks man! 😊
@@theflightchannel no problem! I love your videos! Keep up the great work!
Another beautifully crafted video! Love the videos!!
Nothing matters about uploading vids the matter 8s that you are still a youtuber
Great video! I love your amazing content.
I love with this channel ❤️
God bless you man 🙏🏼
Love your presentations. Real pros you are. Thanks for posting.