Radeon Vii vs RTX 2080, AMD is the better buy now?!?
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- Опубліковано 25 кві 2019
- Radeon Vii as been dismissed by everyone but 2 months after launch it's actually faster and cheaper than the RTX 2080?! But should you either one of them? Let's find out! Thanks to MSI and Avermedia for helping make this video happen! Consider Supporting Me On Patreon? / timmyjoe
Radeon Vii for $679: amzn.to/2XJHWMS
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MSI RTX 2080: amzn.to/2GHEPiO
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i can't hear you over the sound of my r9 290x
Still a strong performer years on though!
just throw the stock cooler..and put 2 ( 120mm case fan ) ..and thank me later..😊😊
its exactly what i did with my rx 580 now the temperature is 58-60°c on ultra...😎😎
@@Mr.Thanos_ im about to doit with my 280x
@@PabloBc72 well then don't waste any time..just do it and you will fell better..
well my doctor said lower the temperature of your gpu and you will have less tension..😆😆🤣🤣😂😂
Hey now that card is a kick ass 1080p card for how old it is
thank you timmy for revisiting Radeon 7.
Kinda like how the Vega 56 is closer to a 1080 now than it was when it launched. AMD is doing a good job on drivers.
Yeah, and I think that the VII will get better than the RTX 2080, thanks to better drivers
I also have a feeling that nVidia is either gimping their drivers or simply just not adding in new speed improvements to their drivers for the older cards when they come out with the next generation GeForce cards, that way their new cards are more palatable to purchase immediately instead of keeping the old cards.
@@djargus no, they're just releasing them with better drivers so there's less improvement to be had. Why does everyone always think they uncovered some big conspiracy?
How can you say that? How long have the Vega 56 been out? If AMD was doing a good job on drivers they would have been as good shortly after they launched.
wish they did just as good as a job in the high end segment so i would have an alternative to ngreedia
its crazy how good of a benchmark crysis 3 still is in 2019 haha
It is bad optimised game
It was way ahead of it's time
@@grakpan1233 lmao, look at BF4, its 5 years old game and graphics are still VERY good, better than BO4, APEX, Fortnite, etc
Battlefield 3 actually has pretty good graphics, let alone bf4
BF4 and BF3 had really good graphics for its time
Since they are both the same ... i would say take the vii because 16gb hbm2... instead of 8 gddr6
both suck at 4k if want 4k card 2080Ti or Titan is only option right now.
@@jaggstatitan is never gonna be a better option
@@jessegm1 if you have money it is
@@jaggsta When the 1070 came out people said that you need a 1080 to play in 4k. When the 1080 ti came out people said that you need that to run 4k and that 1080 can't do it.
Now you are saying that RTX 2080 and Radeon VII can't do 4k and that you need a RTX 2080 ti to run it.
The truth is that any of those cards would be completely fine for 4K and you'd know that if you actually had a 4k monitor.
4K isn't as demanding as people make it out to be. I had a GTX 1080 running my 4k screen and i could run pretty much any game at solid 60fps.
Now i have a Radeon VII which can run all games i have in 4k 60fps with high-max settings.
I even tried how my spare RX 570 would perform in less performance requiring titles and was surprised that it could hold 60fps in Dota 2 with everything maxed out.
@@oxaile4021 4k60 at medium settings is fine. Buy 4k60 @ ultra is a problem because some games suck at optimizing. Anthem ran at 4k45 fps on my 8700k and 2080 because its not optimizied
Remember when high end cards cost $500-$600? Pepperidge Farm remembers.
Dude, nice.
That's a very long time ago. GTX 580 times. The 680 was no high end part - it's a pretty small chip actually. 780 and 780 Ti were over 600 each. 980 Ti etc anyway
Yes. And 10 years from now I will remember the year 2019 when they used to cost half as much.
Okay... Well more like $600-$700.... But certainly not $1200
@@lashyndragon it has to be said that the 2080 Ti is a extremely unusually large chip though, so it costing more than 1000$ was to be expected.
I bought the Radeon 7. Under-volted it to 980mv stable. No regrets. Awesome card.
Why the undervolting? Im think of buying this card...
Douglas Fünkler probably temps
@@douglas5097 It lowers temps bringing the noise of the fans down and it helps to hold its boost clock speeds because the card isn't getting as hot. It's a noticeable difference and really easy to do.
@@douglas5097 It makes a huge difference in allowing the card not to throttle like the stock cards. The 50th anniversary card just came out today and looks amazing. If your going to pick one up now is the time. Once I get mine I'm going to write a guide on exactly how to do it on the AMD subreddit.
@@CrazyJewIIISLKS I wish I had waited for the 50th anniversary card now. Looks really nice in red.
Gaming and PC industry is so much sexier than porn industry
I really agree
Zack 691 y’all sus
You talking shit about my soul source of bee porn?
Yeah because it can actually run porn at 60 fps. :)
You dont say LOL
Thanks for this I love my Radeon VII. It smashes all games at 1440 and I will be putting on water this weekend.
Cheers bud
Me too, but i wonder what do u mean by putting water, do u will disassembly r7 and put water cooling like a corsair h100 ?
As in throwing it in the ocean and getting a 2080 ?
Lmao I put ice cubes on it..
I have the kraken g12 with h55 pump. Just ordered anothe fractal Celsius for the gpu I have one on my cpu. 1955@1130mv boost to 2100 while gaming and junction temp is 92c. We are going to need a bigger AIO lol
Doug, I just ordered my GOLD edition Radeon 7, can't wait. I really don't know what to expect as far as it comparing to a 2080, as there seems to be all kinds of contradicting reviews, and AMD drivers keep getting better, but I do know it will be a step up from my current gtx1080. Did you undervolt your Radeon 7? If so, did it give a performance boost at stock clocks? I read at HardOCP that it did.
Bulk Grinder hey bud, I am currently at a very minor under-volt. I am at work but what I remember my settings are
1985mhz at 1134mv
1125 memory
Might be slight over volt now that I wrote that 😂
I have a fractal aio on the Radeon VII and with Kryonaut and those settings it will boost to 2100 at 380watts. Temp is 60-65c and junction temp is 75-88c depending on load.
I'm glad the 7 is doing good vs rtx but in all reality the avg gamer doesnt play on this type of hardware.
The Radeon VII was never ment for the "average gamer". It was ment for people who game but also content create. It was just something to show they COULD compete at the high end with Nvidia.
First off I the radeon actually won 6 of the 10 games oopsie and I'm aware that I say Vega 56 instead of 64 at least once. Hope you guys love the clickbate :)
TIMMY JOE WIT THAT JUICY CLICKBAIT! GET THAT MONEY BB!
Also you said 2080 ti instead of 2080 at one point lol
Won by a few FPS. 50 - 70 FPS at 4K is not winning it's barely scraping by. They are both just passable at 4K and they both lost with 1% lows below 60FPS in most of the titles.
If you look at the lows, the RTX card wins more. But still, the Radeon VII did pretty well. Both are still way overpriced.
Are those games actually things people still play? No? Then useless.
For noise level testing, have you considered using a decibel counter in the vid? There are a few in the app store/google play that are free. I've got one on my phone. I saw the numbers on the other blower card you featured, but it would be nice to see in the number for both of these cards.
You can't use your phone as a decibel counter. Real decibel counters have to be calibrated
To be fair, AMD's GPUs are still ridiculously powerful and still super competitive *IF* you're not gaming. I've run my 290X and RX580 GPUs on general purpose compute workloads and they absolutely destroy the GTX1060 / RTX 1660 in openCL especially.
I use Vega 64 for Adobe it better then 1080
why "if not gaming" ?
the price of the 1660Ti is going ridiculously high, they said just over 200 at launch but now its hitting 350 ffs and this is their lowest end card atm. guess they use a hype alogrythm to price them, well i was thinking about buying it but not anymore they just hyped them selves out of my cash(forgot to put the Ti in there sorry) ps i wouldnt touch the 1660 as the Ti version is way more worth it and also most 1660 look cheap AF very much like all them knock off GPU you see on EBAY crap looking shrouds/heatsink/fans id rather buy used card that is better
@@hughjanus2465 Why does the 1660 cost more than the 1660ti?
@@hughjanus2465 just bought the gigabyte gaming oc 1660 for 230. Where are you buying you're stuff from???
Running linux I would go for the Radeon VII for the open source support from AMD, though all the cards mentioned will be fine.
@Noah have you forgot the Radeon vii is one of the most powerful workstation cards in the world especially for its price point
Thats likeasking why you need a quadro rtx 5000 which is a rtx titan except with professional drivers
Gaming is one of the lighter workloads for a video card
You should probably revisit gaming on Linux, you seem to be 10 years behind with that statement.@Noah
@Noah not everyone buys a graphics card for gaming.
@Noah funny in the last month I have been playing Rise of the Tomb Raider, Alien Isolation, A story about my uncle and city skylines all natively on Linux Mint. And non natively I have been playing Project Cars using Steam Proton. All working smoothly 60fps at max or near max settings 1080p using an R9 290.
@Noah Well most recent games are working in linux through DXVK and wine, heck I play the new metro exodus on linux, also linus tech tips says that gaming can only get better ua-cam.com/video/Co6FePZoNgE/v-deo.html
Have you undervolt the RVII? It could run -50mV up to -75mV while running at 1900mhz stable
I had been waiting for some time now for an update on the Radeon VII, now thats available in my country. Thank you! Subscribed!
Thank you for reviewing the Ventus 2080!
Was litteraly picking between these two cards in late february. Chose the Ventus 2080, overklocked to 2010 mhz core, 8000mhz memory. Lucky I got Samsung memory on it, can go up to 8500mhz (+1500mhz!).
Great card that looks really clean/good - I can def recommend it!
Got my self The msi 2080 duke memory does the same as yours.
On the core 2075mhz and 72 degree with 65% fan speed...its a damn beefy cooler
Gigabyte gaming oc 2100/16800(+ 2800,Samsung memory, 122%pwlimit, +10%V, unlocked voltage by default), funny temps of
I got a 1080ti 10 months ago for $500 US, and I couldn't be happier with it.
I got one for 700 2 years ago
This is exactly what I was waiting to see and hope another video like this will be made in a couple months! Thanks!
I said it once and i will say it 100 times more... Team Red has my greatest respect for not giving up on their products when it comes to drivers.
And my next system will be fully AMD based, most likely.
Curious if you ended with a full AMD build? I built a 3600 (upgrading to a 5800x soon), 6700xt red devil (13.6k in time spy), 16gb 3600 cl16 trident z neo, rog strix b550f, 970 Evo plus, 240mm ek aio, Corsair 4000d, nzxt c750 and it runs amazing. I have run into zero issues with drivers and get insane fps. Turned sam on as well (another perk for going full AMD) If you haven't yet I'd highly recommend on your next go around.
The Radeon Vii has always been the cheapest card if you think long term. When everybody buys the 2080 because it's slightly faster, Nvidia's market share increases and they increase their prices so your next GPU will be even more expensive.
Buy an AMD GPU and AMD's market share increases giving them more recourses for R&D and Nvidia's prices come down.
No! The money goes for the bonuses and beer. :)
Try Manjaro, my fans are pretty quiet running Vulkun w/proton over DX
what do you guys think will happen with the navi cards think its going to be a different ball game will wait before i buy
Passmark score for the Radeon 7 is lower than a 2070. So have driver optimizations changed the scores between these video cards? Am I missing something ?
On your benchmark numbers during gameplay you should make “1%: 44” black to split up the numbers so it’s more legible. Otherwise with the spacing it’s hard to read.
I just bought a rx 580 4gb sapphire NITRO for 150 CAD to replace the gtx 670 in my sons PC I macgyver'd together for him
Question, do you plan on making a comparison between RVII and 2080 in regards to compute operations?
I'm asking because RVII has massive compute hardware on its end (its one of the reasons why GCN is more power hungry by default) and it would be good to see comparisons in that area too (especially with FP64).
17:57 I love that tele you got back there. Is it a USA model?
Can you find a new way to show your fps data. It's all a jumbled mess
You have to close one eye for 2D
Grrr
Play video at 0.75
@@TimmyJoePCTech try discerning more between those average vs 1% vs 0.1% simply for better readability. Not saying it was a mess though, for me it was still "ok"
@@eazen I just spent a bunch of time trying to rework my vs benchmarks screen so it wasn't confusing hehe, I will see what I can do
3700X + Navi might be my next PC. Currently on an i5 3570K + GTX 970. I've been holding out for a WHILE, and it's looking like I might jump ship for AMD.
woah same setup as mine, tho I'm probably gonna upgrade to the 3500/3600 line with rtx2060
Omg that will be a huge jump in performance
Heh, I wish I had your current setup. I've been clinging to life on my old i5-2500k and GTX960. Am also thinking about the Ryzen 3000 series. Trying to figure out the GPU, hence why I'm here.
I really like how all of their CPUs have the same socket (for now). Allows so much more freedom for upgrades rather than with intel.
3700x might be overkill tbh. Maybe just go with a 3600x and Navi is unfortunately just really disappointing. If I were you I'd go with a Vega56, the it price is insanely cheap currently.
Hey there great video. You more or less convinced me to the Radeon VII but is still have a question to ask before i will make my decision. My question would be if the Radeon VII would work better with an AMD CPU as with an Intel CPU. I am currently using an AMD Ryzen 7 2700X and i am still not sure if the Radeon VII is better than a rtx card. (i totally need to upgrade my graphics card as i am still using a GTX 1050TI...). I would appreciate advice. Thanks in advance
Can you output wattman value on the benchmark? Would really love to see the power output compared as well.
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that happens on every yt video
@@shadowstorm5261 Huh. First time I ever visited a video that early then.
@@AceMcCrank I think it happens on mobile alot
Great video Timmy but you could have done much more with overclocking the 2080. 800-1000mhz on the memory is easily achievable and would be a fairer comparison if not testing out of the box settings . both are great cards but both are 2 year old performance for the same money so overpriced like the rtx lineup in general.
i use the avermedia live gamer 4k, not had an issue with capturing the overlays for benchmarks. what program do you use to record with the live gamer 4k?
I could have done much more overclocking with the Radeon Vii, I have had it up to 2075 and 1250 on the memory :) I used their RECentral software. It's just weird how it scales the 4k. I used an elgato before this and it just looked like a standard 1080p monitor, didn't automatically do scaling in windows. When I use the Avermedia card it blasts windows to 300% scaling but some programs don't scale at all, like MSI afterburner. I am still messing around with it. Thanks for your input :)
@@TimmyJoePCTech thats very strange. when scaling i have no issues with rec central as that is what i have been using for around 9 months i think. if using an amd gpu you might have to do some tweaking with resolution and primary monitor, i had to with the rx 570 recently and the rx 590 a few months back. tried to display 4k on my 1440p monitor
He said it wasn't a great oc, like 5 times watch the vid before commenting
Guys, need some advice on GPUs. Should I wait till NAVI comes out for my next video card? My budget is around the 2080 or Radeon 7 price range
Hey im looking into getting the ryzen 7 3800x was wondering what your thoughts are on the rtx cards as far as them still having crashing issues and the "invader screens" is that still an issue?
The Radeon 7 is a Consumer friendly Prosumer Card. I heard from a lot dudes using it pro that its a price/performance beast.
My opinion on your channel has changed. From the 1 stick of ram on an apu type videos. Good job man. You've earn my sub.
HMMMM What were your testing temps and game duration and overclocks if any??
Great video I'm happy you finally reviewed the radeon 7.
I always choose AMD due to their amazing driver support, i mean it just works, works well in fact.
I bought my sapphire r9 290 vapor x about 4 years ago. I appreciate the fact that even today in 2019 when a new game comes out the latest driver will optimize performance on it for my GPU which went off the shelves years ago. Not to mention today's great UI, freesync, vulkan, radeon chill, frtc and other features that I never dreamt off when I purchased this GPU. All added over the years. Imagine if I got a gtx 780 instead....
Those crappy 0.1% lows are directly related to your inferior drivers. There's definitely reasons to go AMD. Well price to performance is about the only one. Drivers are definitely not one of the reasons tho 🤔
@@MrDutch1e If you actually think so, then you never had an AMD card or have never seen and used the new driver. Literally one of my major reasons to get AMD cards is enhanced sync, it's so good.
@@ZantasuHD enhanced sync is stupid. Causes a ton of input lag unless you're fps is like double the monitors refresh rate. Same thing happens on nvidia fast sync. Gsync or freesync with fps cap to stay in freesync range is far superior.
@@MrDutch1e That freesync and Gsync are better is obvious. But i've not been havin any stutter issues but more smooth gameplay, also there's no high input lag like the one most people are used to by vsync. I've not even been feeling any input lags, but i am not playing any competetive esport games besides lol
16 GB of HBM2, yes, it is the better buy at the moment. The performance level is close enough but that 2080 will get old a lot earlier. And that is by design, Nvidia always gives extra memory for their *80 Ti cards but not for their *80 cards. The same with their *70 vs. *60 cards. They always give just enough memory for the first 2 years and then the card performs less because it needs more memory. You see the same problem for the Fury(X) cards, those didn't age well, in some games they are even outperformed by the RX 580 (the 1% FPS which is problematic) simply because of a lack of memory. Only AMD couldn't do anything about that (limitation of HBM), Nvidia does it on purpose.
This is how they truly arrange planned obsolescence, not by gimping drivers though drivers get less support for older cards (both Nvidia and AMD) but by limiting the memory.
Having said that, AMD ought to put a better heatsink and fans on the Radeon VII. Too noisy.
Not to mention AMD Radeon's massive performance gains with games utilising Vulkan API & "IF" Google Stedia takes off (that's up for debate) well we'd see more game devs use Vulkan.
Yes, the thing with Nvidia is they don't gimp their drivers, they just don't support their cards as long as Radeon so you will get better frames until x time and then the support will stop faster along with the shittier VRAM. I assume that most people wants their cards to last as long as possible so it's an easy deal, the only problem is that console emulation is bad on Radeons on WiiU but they are working on Vulkan support so I'd guess that in the future the emulation will be on par as well.
@UCMlJRTtQ0pCaJ8KWrzSOT5g You still have medium/low settings and 1440p gaming or even 1080p gaming left so it all depends what's your goal is. Not everyone can spend huge amount of money every few years.
the 16 gb isnt really gonna help once games become more hardware intensive. xD the power of the radeon 7 wont really keep up long enough.
@@fidamdsaini8452
True. Nvidia now also has a reason to go along with Vulkan, they won't discourage developers to use it given that Turing handles Vulkan good enough that using Vulkan gives a nice incentive to their customers to upgrade from an older generation card. I am not sure about DX12, I don't know how well Nvidia handles that these days. DX12 is tricky, most games which use it only use a very limited feature-set of DX12 and most of the time the code was written in DX11 and later some DX12 elements were added.
(on a different topic: I prefer Vulkan, not only because the API has impressed much more so far but also because it supporst all platforms)
@@Pand0rasAct0r_
You miss the point. The extra memory makes it happen that the hardware keeps getting used efficiently. Yes, you will get a lower FPS on the long run but at least the games will keep playing well. I wouldn't claim that the RTX 2080 has more "power" as you seem to claim but that is another discussion. Gaming vs. compute, Vulkan and DX12 vs. OpenGL and DX11. (I also woulnd't use the word power for this but I go along to make the communication easier).
If it would be the case that the RTX 2080 has got more power than the Radeon VII then that extra power won't do much good once the games demand more memory than 8 GB and that will happen in the next few years, at least at the settings for which you would use such a card.
We have seen this happen multiple times before. Those who have learned from history know what is going on. Look at the 6 GB GTX 1060 vs. the 8 GB RTX 480, look at the 3 GB 1060 vs. the 6 GB 1060, look at the 4 GB RTX 480 vs. the 8 GB RTX 480, look at the FuryX vs. Vega 56 for older games and more recent games...
The list is long. Already many recent games get close to 8 GB, some ask even more (Resident Evil 2 recommends 10 GB for the highest settings @1080p or 1440p). Trust me, that 8 GB will not suffice 2-3 years from now. Nothing new.
What keyboard shortcut is he using to switch between desktops?
sounds like a great idea for a new series for the channel, call it the several months later review or something like that for every graphics card that you review in the future
The 2080 draws much more power than I expected, the W/Performance ratio of the VII seems on par with Turing. Sadly GCN bottlenecks the 7nm potential, let's see how Navi performs and how much gains Nvidia can achieve when they go 7nm.
Yesssss thank you for adding Rainbow Six Siege to the benchmarks
Hey, thanks for these reviews, testing, discussion, analysis, recommendations on these cards at this point in time. I am running two gaming systems full time at 1440p one a classic Intel/nvdia set up with an i7-6700K/1070 Ti which I test against my hefty AMD purist rig which has a Ryzen 7 2700X/Radeon VII each has 16GB RAM. My test results and experiences are in line with yours at least insofar I am totally in agreement with your detailed analysis. I am totally psyched that you also see how well the Radeon VII performs at this particular point in time in this narrow band or class of suped-up custom built and configured PCs. And please know I am not a friend nor sponsor. I mean this in the most respectful way of course lol. Keep on keeping on dudes.
I have a question relating to the video is the power draw for the whole system or just the GPU. If this question sounds dumb sorry but I have to know.
he is reading it from the wall socket, so it must be the whole system
Yea I didnt see 2 power supplies in his system, or clamped wires, so its whole system. If you want GPU alone gamers nexus does those vids
And for the real people out here in a budget. There is always the RX 480 8 gig card for 100 dollars. Because I do not have a sponsor that throws 800 dollar cards at me.
I wished I had that hook up. I can't find a rx 480 8 gig anywhere near 100$.
a used rx 580 8gb is around 120$ here in indonesia
@@doublecrossedswine112 Check out this XFX AMD Radeon 480 8 gb sapphire video card for $80 on OfferUp offerup.co/mFg0NcnvmW
There you go
I found another 2 underrated budget cards. The GTX 970 and 1060 3 gig. Both score very well.
Love my Vega 64, glad to see the VII is maturing nicely :)
For 1440p, absolutely
@@Tallnerdyguy Run 4K on mine personally :)
@A Fictional Character No joke, picked mine during black Friday @ 400 and have not regretted it at all :)
I'm very happy with my vii. Timmy, did you notice all the tearing (i.e. 10:57 ) on your capture card? I'm sure it can be tweaked to not tear but it was noticeable even on mobile
Nice video! Can you please tell me which monitor do u use?
Hmn, It's an interesting card, but with Navi on the horizon i'm not sure if it's worth buying now.
Yeah, even if you are interested in the R7 i would wait for the price drop that will come with Navi.
@@DeadNoob451 Also, I want to see their specs first. I don't do anything that would need 16GB of Vram so it is certainly redundant and not yet a good value.
Radeon 7 for me but I've learned the hard way not to buy AMD cards in the first few months of the release, the prices drop significantly
Does any one know if the Radeon VII will support (Adaptive Shading/Variable Rate Shading)? Is this a feature that can be added later on via drivers or is it a hardware level feature?
If it can run Dx 12 then Microsoft "raytracing" will be supported. How well remains to be seen, UA-cam a video on rtx enabled on 10 series to see what I mean
Hey I was wondering what the differences are between the different Radeon VII cards. Amazon shows them having different memory speeds.
They sbould all be the same, as there is only the reference board design currently
If I had to choose between them, I would rather not buy a graphics card because both are bad value. Honestly, a used 1080 ti is the way to go. Just my opinion
I agree with you on that. Modern GPUs just don't offer a good enough value proposition to be even worth considering. Might as well stick with a 10 series if you already have one.
I wouldn't buy an used card epecially after the whole crypto scam mania but that's me. If there were new 1080 Ti's for less money available then I agree, 1080 TI is the sweet spot for high end gaming and someone who bought it during the launch for msrp hit a jackpot.
Psychol I bought a 1080ti mini for 600 pounds but I don’t have a working cpu or m/b to put it in. My Ryzen 2600X failed no POST. I got a i5-9600K used so I just need a Z390 m/b I got a 240AIO , 16gigs 3200 DDR4 so I’ll be golden soon..
@@BITCOIlNOnly ever bought used GPUs. Got my Vega 56 used, built a system with a vega 64 used and a 1070 used, they all have no problems. I don't know why it's that big of a deal, cards rarely fail and in all my 10 years of PC building I never experienced a card failure in my PC or other PCs in my area. People buy used cars on craigslist and a used car is a bigger risk then a graphics card lol
@@OMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGM With used cards you save more than 100 bucks although it's not even true every time since I heard countless stories when someone have bought used dumpster and had to put 2x more money for repairs. Sometimes you get lucky sometimes you don't and then it really suck balls because you can lose all of your money. With brand new you have 3 years piece of mind or depends how long the warranty lasts.
Here's the thing, two years ago you could get 1080 ti level of performance for $700, with progress you should expect that you would be able to get a higher level of performance for the same price or the same level of performance for a lower price, but that just isn't true in this case.
After the cryptocurrency boom Nvidia and AMD want you to believe that the same level of performance is worth more than it used to be. In my case I'm sitting on a 980 ti and an upgrade to anything lower than a 1080 ti just isn't worth the investment and why should i pay as much now as I would have paid in march 2017?
If either of them would offer 1080 ti level of performance for around $500 it would sell like hot cakes, until then a lot of people will wait for something that offers better value than what is currently available.
I just upgraded off of a 980ti and got near double the fps in all the games i play. Definetly worth the investment for me, runs games at high and ultra settings with easy at 144fps. Compared to my 980ti on low getting 80-90s
I don't think you read the whole thing, "upgrading to anything LOWER than a 1080 ti just isn't worth the investment" I doubt that you doubled your FPS by going to a Vega 64 or a RTX 2070, which would be the next step down.
If cards wouldn't sell at these prices they wouldn't be priced this high. Both AMD and NVIDIA price their cards at whatever the market can handle.
@@bioblade i hope too
2 years ago during the crypto craze?
very good stuff man amazing review
I am buying a new pc and I was wondering wheather to buy the asus rog Strix rtx 2080 ti oc edition 11gb graphics card or the Radeon vii and this does explain which to get but I am not sure what to get the top spec 2080 or the Radeon vii and which is more powerful?
I'm still having trouble listening to you after you tried to tell me there's no difference between 60 and 144 refresh rate monitors.
Human eye can perceive 30 fps LoL 🤣
@@anitapatil5673 lol it's funny to hear that and people think it's a valid argument !
@@hellobooom especially console players
Well try gaming at 144hz moving from 60hz, the difference is night and day. While moving to 249 from 144, the difference isn't that much visible.
went from 1080p 60hz whatever ms to 1080p 120hz 1ms what feels like nearly 10 years ago now and i haven't looked back
i liked that so much when i built my new comp i got a 1440p 144hz 1ms monitor
Man amd improved a lot they listen to their consumers and improve drivers etc i never picked sides but as it stands for now im leaning towards team red
Years ago it was the other way around. Nvidia had the better driver development process and worked on drivers for Linux while AMD lagged in both the Windows and Linux driver development.
I don't know when AMD kicked up it's driver development, but when it comes to Linux things started to change when they chose to work with the open source community while Nvidia kept both specifications and source code close, releasing their drivers only as binary blobs and kept treating open source driver developers as security risks. This has the users divided into two camps. On one side you have the purists who prefer AMD for their support of open source drivers and for their strict adherence to standards such as OpenGL. In the other camp you find pragmatists and general users who just want their programs and most importantly games to work and doesn't care if the driver is a locked down binary blob with no source code available. There are lists of what games is having issues running on what graphics hardware, and the list of games having issues with AMD cards is still longer than the one for Nvidia. Things are however getting better, and it's happening at a respectable rate.
Tell me please, which box to buy for Radeon VII ? Thank you so much …
Thanks bro! It's good to see that you're doing an update video for this card. While other Tech channels have forgotten about the Radeon VII. I just bought my XFX Radeon VII, 2 days ago and I really like the Radeon VII's performance! I auto- overclocked it in Radeon Settings and it easily boosted between 1920Mhz & 2095 Mhz and stayed moderately cool at 75°C and the junction temp was 115°C after 5 hrs of gaming on Air. But, it pulled 398 watts! Ouch!
I just purchased the Radeon VII Vector water block from EK that JayzTwoCents posted on his channel last month. I can't wait to see what type of performance and temps I'll get after installing the waterblock. And not having to deal with the noisy fans while overclocking. Thanks for doing an update on this card bro. Because people need to know that the Radeon VII is a excellent value card for $700.
The VII is definitely a good card, but I see something wrong with your comment. You say RVII is an excellent value card for 700$, But you spend 160$(?) more to add a block to reduce noise while overclocking and that should count in your cost for a card because, meanwhile, the 2080 might be a little more expensive out of the box, but a waterblock really isnt needed to get a pretty high overclock without adding much noise. Now lets say you have a golden chip and get a much better OC with the block and its the main reason, thats fine, but someone who wont spend more than about 700$ on the gpu might have better OC/noise results with the 2080.
Not that I necessarily think one is a better choice over the other, but we need to take that kind of things into consideration.
@@TheLoucM You misunderstood the point of my comment bro. The Radeon VII is a good value for "ME" because I always overclock while gaming and it's an extremely loud card. So, I invested in the EK waterblock to help keep things quiet for "ME" while gaming. I never suggested that buying the EK waterblock is a good value for everyone either. I also pointed out that no other Tech Tubers are doing update videos for the Radeon VII. Because it is a good card for people like me who refuse to buy Nvidia's overpriced cards because we've been waiting for a card from AMD that's on par with the rtx 2080 and costs under $1000. And if you add the price of the EK waterblock to the card. It's still cheaper than $1000. I think you should go harass people who are spending $1300 on the rtx 2080 Ti instead of judging me for my gpu/waterblock combo that costs much less.
Also, I game on a 65" freesync enabled Samsung TV. So, buying a 2080 simply because it can get higher clocks without a waterblock doesn't benefit me at all. I'm supporting AMD because I want them to succeed against Nvidia. More competition from AMD equals better cost savings for consumers like you & I. Everyone is whining that the Radeon VII costs $700. Honestly, AMD could've followed Nvidia's example and charged much more for the Radeon VII due to the expensive HBM memory on those cards. But, they didn't. You should be thanking AMD instead of trying make me look bad for supporting a card that hasn't received any good press now that the driver issues have been fixed.
@@SonnyMiller Talk about overreaction... Its fine if you want to pay more for the same performance ''because the competition is too expensive''...flawless logic!!! ... Btw AMD cannot charge more for VII beacuse its already as expensive as the nvidia equivalent. Yet you add an EK waterblock on it and whine that nvidia is too overpriced...The irony... Fanboyism is a beautiful thing ! I have nothing against watercooling a VII, but dont talk about cost/performance ratio. Anyways, Good luck with your AMD crusade !
Kind of reminds me how vega 56 seems like better value than 1660 TI to me.
that seems to depend on where you live
I bought the Rtx 2080 because the 1080ti’s were sold out everywhere , still a great card paired with 8700k at 1440p 144hrz
why
I agree WHY
The 2080 IS a great card, 8gb is a lot vram, 16gb vram is just overkill for 99.9 percent of the games, I would pick the 2080 as well if I had enough money:D. I mean heck even 6gb vram is more than enough, the rtx2060 is also a great midrange card
And also, yeah 7nm is cool, but it doesn't add extra graphical glory to the game (raytracing, and I know performance with rtx on isn't great but it's more viable for sightseeing games anyway, not something like bfV) and you have tensor cores which could give extra performance over time
Both are expensive but great, there's no wrong pick in my opinion, more a matter of usage. Wanna program and stuff? ---> go for the radeon becausr extra vram
Wanna focus on pure gaming? --> 2080
Thank you Jason! Allowing Timmy to create content about RVII!
I really like how it come that you got two equally performer video card. I really like the format of this one... the pace and the side by side.
Awesome video. Great unbiased in-depth comparison (great music during the benchmarks). I actually own the RTX 2080 Ventus OC (the one in your video) and love it, but I'm very happy AMD has a card that competes with Nvidia in performance. Looks like Radeon 7 gets higher average frame rates but a lower ceiling in the bottom 1%. Sick card. Thanks for the great content. Subbed.
Could u add World War Z to your games' suite?
so the radeon can outperform the overpriced 2080ti
Let’s be honest here. I LOVE my R-VII but the thing sounds exactly like the R9-290. I literally had to mod a Corsair H100i in order to cool and quite this card down.
I have one too and love it, to me the noise is not an issue but this is coming from someone who had a reference gtx 1080 before and a cheap ass chinese inno3d gtx 970 with a delta fan strapped onto it before that.
As I recall someone on youtube saying it varies card to card.
It does not at all. The 290 is a totally different design and sound level
The reference hawai cards like the 290 and 290x were blower cards with 1 fan each had to work much harder, obviously louder than the radeon 7
@@matthewhaughn8869 like Timmy Joe said himself, they revised the drivers, maybe this improved the noise for some cards or even all of them
how did you get that dmc 5 results ??? i have avg 130-40 fps how ??????? 1% 98 lows ,189 highs
What about adaptive sync as a consideration? Especially if you already have a free sync display. I guess both support free sync now so it doesn’t matter. Would have liked you to test and talk about that.
Radeon only had bigger Average in quite a few games...but the 1% and 0.1% lows constantly were even noticeably lower. Meaning the frametime is less constant. And it is louder cooler than most coolers you find for 2080. (outside the blower coolers)
thats true but the radeon VII is better in everything else than gaming because of its blazing fast memory so if u want a workstation card these 16gb are usefull
That might have been because of the way he set up the readeon too. These cards are known to perform better when undervolted.
i am is an amd fanboy, i like radeon vii design but i prefer gtx 1080 ti's price to performance
You cant really gauge the price to performance of a 1080ti anymore across the board since they are no longer made so all the brand new ones are stupidly expensive. If you get one and hope it never breaks on you a used one could be great but everyone price to performance will very a good amount depending how much the seller gives it up for..
@@Tht1guy63 if no one buy the gtx 1080 ti, the price will be decrease. if no one
You surely is.
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Never knew you skated! I used to rock RDS stuff in the 90s. being from michigan and going to canada all the time I was really into the canadian skate scene haha
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This will be my third summer, I mostly longboard around now, i hope to actually kickflip this summer now that I'm down 25 lbs ha
But should I either one of them? How do I either anyways? Does anyone know how to either either or to which?
@Timmy Joe PC Tech..... in belgium the rtx 2080 is 150 eur cheaper then the Radeon VII ;) :D
i doubt it. you look at the wrong place
It's no even available in India goes out of stock every day
@@Stikkzz i look at the wrong place? man i'm not stupid... i looked every single site in the country!
@@jefvercammen7293 hm,where do you see a 150€ price difference? nomaly the 2080 is 20€ cheaper. unless theres a special offer somewhere or its B ware or its used
@@Stikkzz azerty.nl/category/componenten/videokaarten/nvidia_geforce/nvidia_geforce_rtx_2080#!sorting=12&limit=30&view=grid and here azerty.nl/category/componenten/videokaarten/AMD_Radeon/radeon_vii#!sorting=12&limit=30&view=grid lol ;)
HBM isn't really something everyone needs atm, like RT. Considering years back we had the Fury, yet the 980 Ti still beat it handily. Ofc, that is not to say the Radeon VII is a bad card. It's a good card, just not really groundbreaking. Something definitely to choose over the 2080 for production value.
AMD does need HBM! Power 'consumption'. HBM has other advantages too (higher memory bandwidth). But forget that, the bigger issue is that AMD put 16 GB on it while that 8 GB on the RTX 2080 is rather tight. it is fine for now, but not 2 years from now, and that is by design. Of course the Radeon VII is far from groundbreaking, it is just a second refresh of FuryX for the most part (with a few nice changes but for most games those don't help). I expect that Navi will deliver us a lot more compared to Polaris and Fury and Vega.
PS
I love features like Rapid Packed Math and TrueAudio. AMD definitely is extremely innovative for such a small company. They also invented HBM, they had the first multicore CPU...
I have a ryzen 1800x desk top running a 1080ti and, a ryzen 2600x with a Radeon VII. Both systems have 16 gig ddr4 at 3200mhz. Both have Samsung evo pro ssds. Guess which system doesn’t crash sometimes? I’ll give you a hint, when the system crashes I don’t see red. Both systems have up to date drivers and bios’.
On a side note, what best use scenario would 2 Radeon VII’s in crossfire be good for? 32gig Of HBM would be a lot!
Nice video, as always. Is it possible for you, though, to make a similar one focusing more on the productivity/content creation perspective instead of just the gaming oriented factor, please? I'm definitely sure the Radeon VII will shine there. Kudos for the upload and keep'em coming!
Waiting for the Nvidia to do some comebacks
Nvidia: Comebacks?
"we have the 1650!"
*Laughs in 570*
they're too busy making "filler cards' to sell off inferior silicon.
Just think of all the mods i can put in skyrim with 16gbs of ram.
Is it really that bad? i had 150+ mods in fallout 4 with a 1060 3GB and it ran just fine...
@@CarbonPanther i have around 400 mods my skyrim dosent look like skyrim anymore lol
What gpu u got now lol
@@yarchieduke GTX 980TI
Yup. Kinky mods are fun
Timmy you just help me figure out my next GPU...Thank you brother...Great work as always....
I have a stupid question. would a radeon pro version make a decent purchase compared to a 7? I just like the blue paint job lol
AMD has been killing it
1% and 0.1% fps is worse on the vii tho.
my thoughts too, actually big difference there.
Most likely rather unstable OC
The Radeon Vii has always been the best card if you think long term. When everybody buys the 2080, Nvidia's market share increases and they increase their prices so your next GPU will be even more expensive.
Buy an AMD GPU and AMD's market share increases giving them more recourses for R&D and Nvidia's prices come down so everybody's GPU will be cheaper next generation.
Hey Timmy joe can you tell us what happens if you in able HBCC on VII
HBCC tricks the game into thinking that you have more VRAM than there actually is and what this means is that the game then uses more VRAM than normal because it thinks there is more, wich could increase performance.
Radeon Navi will support DXR when it comes out. I am wondering if a Vega 7 drivers will receive an update to support DXR sometime soon.
the Nvidia offers ray tracing right now but the R7 have way more ram and AMD is known to refine and re refine the drivers over the years and anihilate Nvidia in the end.
It's a gamble on both sides to be honest.
Ray tracing does nothing worthwhile in games. As usual it was hyped by Nvidia and subsequently by dumbass sheep who regurgitate whatever big brother tells them to.
I went for the vii because of freesync but the value exists for nvidia, their card is quieter.
Also I noticed your pfp, rest in peace r/cringeanarchy
@@lucian8774 in 2 years you will laugh in 20% faster at Nvidia
@@noreason2701 "subsequently by dumbass sheep who regurgitate whatever big brother tells them to" And aren't you doing the same thing? RTX features are not just ray tracing and while they are pretty useless right now they might be useful in the future the extra VRAM on the Radeon VII isn't really worth anything unless you are doing actual work on the card. Any game needing (not just reserving) more than 8GB of RAM won't be running at playable frames on either card.
Ray Tracing right now costs too much fps to be worthwhile so it's just a gimmick in the end
Sry don’t have a 4K monitor
Ive been in love with this card ever since under volting it and setting a fan curve.
Hey Timmy, you got any insider news on the AMD RX3080?
Yeah thats what i do. Play benchmarks all day..
One day kids will grow up and realize that it doesnt matter what gpu you have aslong as it gets you 60 fps and your having fun playing games with your buddies.
Wow that must get boring. You should try a game or two. be crazy, mix it up. Shake n bake! er whatever.
Well i want 144fps
i really want a R7, but i cant justify anything beyond my 1080, my wallet wont allow it anymore T_T
Sell the 1080
@@technogirl121 thats another problem. people lowball the crap out of me
if you have a 1080 the jump to a 2080/vega 64 is not enough imo you are getting a jump from 20 to 30% at most. so not enough, you should ump to a 2080ti but is really expensive. but talking just about performance that is.
@@nicane-9966 exactly, hence its hard for me to justify an upgrade. i really want a 2080ti but sadly its not worth the price of admission. just waiting on this so called navi to come out and see what happens to the gpu market. a price drop would be nice
probably are gonna be mid tier gpus, high end is supossed to come in 2020 according to rumors. so dont expect anything better than the vega VII. @@lagginluther
Just picked up a Radeon VII for 550$ on R/Hardwareswap, upgrading from my Vega64 (which I just upgraded to last month) and I'm extremely excited!
what will be the best budget graphic card for my i5 8500 and gigabyte Z370M D3H motherboard?
Pretty much depends on your budget, either pick up the rx580 which is now faster than the gtx1060 or get the gtx1660ti/gtx1070 you can go for better cards though if you want to spend some more
AMD ages like fine wine...... nvidia well it doesn't
@Raul Lol... you know old AMD cards get better and better and Nvidia will just not
I got myself a used GTX 1080Ti instead
I just upgraded from used 1070 to used 1080 but the GPU seems to still be bottlenecking my i7-8700K so next one will be used 1080 Ti which are now selling for around 500 EUR used.
@@hadis5160 ok
Nice Review the Monster memory and overclock ability is definately a big thing
So does twice the vram not do anything then? Why didn’t they sell it for cheaper and just put 8 in?