Bad News for the Radeon VII...
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- Опубліковано 14 жов 2024
- Bad News for the Radeon VII: my Review vs the RTX 2080!
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The Radeon VII is AMD's new contender in the high-end GPU space, and at $699 should be competitive with NVIDIA's RTX 2080. But is it?
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If you thinks this is important, don't forget the fact that in 1998, The Undertaker threw Mankind off Hell In A Cell, and plummeted 16 ft through an announcer's table.
and it was GLORIOUS!
All I can say is, I'm happy it's Rusev Day!
God I love the internet
@DaKermitFrog You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
it was funny the first time.... now its just dumb
😢😭 come on AMD. I hope some driver maturity will get it up there.
AMD always ages like fine wine
Some exceptions
dont worry when rtx 3000 series come out they will gimp the 2000 series so at least then we will say its better so wait for rtx 3000
Installing any AMD drivers on my r9 fury at the end of its life would make my pc crash. Without drivers it didn't crash but it still had freezes/black screens. Hearing this guy and Jayztwocents talk about experiencing crashes on this card makes me glad I didn't end up buying this, though 16 gb vram sounds nice. Would be annoying to upgrade to a new card only to experience the same problems. I now own the RTX 2080 and it runs good.
@@azmanabdula so sometimes then
@@BeachlessIsland My Vega 64 runs good too.
I did enjoy it Paul, I did enjoy it. Good show sir!
are you getting payed to shit on AMD?
@@terryspenardiceberg run your own benchmarks then share your results
@@terryspenardiceberg Lmao, you salty AMD fanboy
@@terryspenardiceberg actually his benchmark is one of the most positive ones for the radeon 7
Please don't feed the trolls or the fanboys!
If u take out the fans, u can use it as a cupholder for 3 cups of coffee where as the RTX 2080 will only hold 2. Just saying.
Mine holds 3!
Will also keep em warm ;)
Lol
That 1 TB/s memory bandwidth is insane! This may not be a great gaming card but for other uses it should perform well.
it's still a great gaming card though wtf
@@shernandez31 When they fix the drivers sure, right now it's shit. They should have delayed until the drivers were more mature. Launching now was sheer stupidity.
@@KevinWilliams19723 Nvidia has issues with their RTX cards when first launched. It happens to all hardware introductions.
@@theexmann At R7 drivers weren't bricking the GPU like RTX ones did. I hold off months before buying a new GPU due to driver issues now.
"There are known problems, we're working on it..." (btw: There's a couple of job openings for display driver software development engineer at AMD in Markham for those that might be interested in helping them out...)
But how does AMD release a signature GPU knowing that there are problems with it???
Because engineers are at the mercy of the marketing idiots. I count the CEO as a marketing idiot.
@@tankusfred Shareholders forced it i'm sure. They are the bane of every major corporation.
The problem is they need to hire another 15-25% personnel to focus on GAMING GPU’s and not this making lemonade GPU crap .. but making an honest GAMING GPU hasn’t been on the table in a while.. they focus on profits and what they KNOW they can make money on.. they need someone to invest 3 BILLION DOLLARS on AMD RADEON .. that would help
Sounds like AMD pulled a Nvidia... "it just works" oh wait...
Battlefield V had some Battlefield 1 gameplay in the corner. Why?
I assume the benchmark is BFV and Paul just put the wrong footage in
I'm surprised you can tell the difference.
Glad to see I'm not the only who noticed: "Hey that looks A LOT like Battlefield One footage".
Looks better than bfv😂
@@M2habibi The TAA in battlefield 1 seemed a lot better to me. To me DLSS (updated DLSS at least) looks almost as good as native because of BFV's blurry TAA.
Paul, your Radeon VII review is the first one that I've seen. :-) Well, AMD is getting a little closer to the Nvidia higher performance cards, so I guess that's something positive.
but the price isnt positive. Its only encouraging nvedia to charge more. "our cards r better, but so why do we charge the same" and before u know it they take overpricing to the next lvl.
Yeah, but for more. A couple RTX 2080 cards are less than 700
@@dillydilly3680 only the bottom tier 2080s which are slower.
@@KevinWilliams19723 Cheapest right now is a gigabyte windforce 3 fan card. That's not a bad card.
Vega7 will be awesome if only 3rd party sellers can have it :
I'm going to chalk all of this up to poor driver support at launch. I don't think it will ever perform above the RTX 2080, but these numbers are way too inconsistent. I'll wait until new drivers and more tests.
The thing is, they shouldn’t have released the card without proper/stable driver support. I don’t think that Paul mentioned it but a few other YT reviewers are reporting not only some complete lock-ups while running a game, but the driver crashes while sitting idle, at the desktop, and the computer restarts, black screen lock-ups, and having to do a hard power restart, etc. These drivers w e r e n o t r e a d y... for release day. They should have been ready. If you just paid $700, that’s a very poor experience to have that can leave quite a bad taste in your mouth.
Btw, I’m an AMD GPU guy. I’ve been using them exclusively for over a decade. To me, this is not a good way(crap drivers) to come out of the gate with this new card. See the following movie -> “The Fith Element” where Mr. Zorg goes, “I’m.. very.. disappointed!”
It's only 4% down at launch. Being better is all but guaranteed overtime.
@@jimmyrichards5595 Consider the launch drivers are different than the ones used by the press.
Chris Hunter I was wondering what the excuse would be. There’s always one, isn’t there? Ok, so I ‘guess’ it’s just the press that’s being handed a crappy experience on release day? I guess...
And I’m not trying to say that you, Chris, are personally making excuses for AMD. It’s just that I was wondering, I really was wondering...what will the excuse be? And then what do I see?? 😆
Chris Hunter Hello again. I just want to add one thing. I’m so glad that I’m a Wizard. You see, as a wizard I have never had to come up with an excuse, ever.
I never arrive too early, nor too late. As a Wizard, I always arrive precisely when I mean to! 😁
Awesome video Paul, the Radeon 7 drivers seem to be an absolute mess.
@@avraham4497 He still knew it would cost more then normal....
Everything AMD has had on the high end is a mess. Only good thing is that AMD has more pci Express lanes and cpu cores for a working environment. Gaming on the other hand is another issue. They just can't compete. Intel i5 still beats Ryzen and Nvidia didn't even bother with their RTX release since AMD is so far behind the Ti.
@@jlrockafella Ryzen 2 is going to blow your mind. Radeon 7 is suffering from shitty press drivers. It's obvious, we have black screening and some benchmarks were no better than Vega 64 and there's no way that's possible. It's obviously shit drivers. They shouldn't have released it until the drivers were more stable.
@@jlrockafella you are talking out of your arse. Just keep pecking some seed.
@@jlrockafella So well ekhm run your game on i5 in hd and then try to stream the game in the same time. Have nice streaming with 2 fps.
I thought with the flaws of the Nvidia 20xx series - cost, silicon devoted to DLSS and ray tracing which is of questionable benefit - AMD would have won this generation.
But no, they've shipped a card with too much ultra expensive HBM DRAM, not enough compute units and crappy drivers and screwed up worse than Nvidia.
Whatever. I can't afford either at the moment anyway.
@Erick Rosa You obviously know NOTHING about computers. If a 1050ti is working better than an rx580, its because your garbage pc is BOTTLENECKING THE RX580. It isnt able to use the full power of the rx580.
@Erick Rosa Liar
@Erick Rosa Are you comparing the laptop version to the desktop version by chance? because even then its more less even across the board. But between the two desktop class components it is literally impossible for the 1050ti to beat the 580 unless you are undervolting the card, bottlenecking it somehow, or used integrated on your system through the cpu instead. userbench shows that the 580 wins across the board by 50% or more in everything. and every other benchmark agrees.
@Erick Rosa well there is either something wrong with the 580 or you are just wrong
@Erick Rosa You are either lying or your RX580 has some hardware defects, as it should not be performing that poorly.
Since nobody likes this card... Would you want to send it my way for my 8K editing rig I'm building? Would help a lot :-P
My Radeon VII was running at about 1200mV stock which caused it to sky rocket to over 200 degrees farenheit. Luckily caught it early and undercloxked it to 950mV and now it runs at about 130 degrees farenheit with the fans aet to auto. Best part is that it did not compromise the performing still running all games in 4K ultra settings at 60 or more FPS.
The high-end graphics card market is terrible for consumers right now :( Nvidia are charging ridiculous prices but they can do this because the high-end competition from AMD is so poor. AMD are still great for mid-range cards but it's really disappointing to see them still struggling to match 1080ti performance two years after its release.
High end PC parts have always be expensive.
$1100 AUD
Yeah I don't think so AMD
Wow... I can get a 2080 for $1000 AUD. The 7 has the potential to be a great card, but not at that price.
Odd, in the UK it is £649.99 if you don't mind waiting for new stock or £699.99 in stock now, the second one is the same price the 2080 costs here.
Transistor Jump you’re having a laugh right?
Overpriced crap.
+Transistor Jump It's a half baked product.
I think this card is perfect for apps like SideFX Houdini. Houdini now can run a great number of simulations on the gpu using OpenCL. And this Radeon VII gpu has tons of memory. 16GB/1TB/s! That's huge for simulations. In the other hand, when we talk about gpu rendering for houdini, we have only two options (Redshift and Octane), and both work only on nVidia cards. But, I can see the radeon VII card been used only on simulations. This is really fast 16GB memory and it is is worth each penny.
Great review Paul! I want to see the benchmarking redone once AMD fixes their driver issues. The hardware seems to be more than capable of running with or beating the 2080 cards. (Program dependent as always)
After testing and gaming on this card for over a year, I believe the maximum power of 300 W ultimately hurt the performance of this card. It needs more power. They didn't want to showcase a power-hog of a card especially next to the Vega 64, but the reality is that when you overclock and increase power by more than 20%, the card really starts to sail. Of course, you also need water cooling to really deal with the heat generation, but they didn't want to include a water block or AIO because the cost was already too high.
Hi Paul, sorry about the offtopic -- but what fans are those that you are using in the Lian Li 011 in the video?
I don't understand why they made it so expensive putting that much vRAM in it. They could have just put 8-10GB and made the card more affordable. That would have made it really competitive against the 2080. Then still make a 12GB version for production. At this point there is zero reason to buy it for gaming.
Didn't the RTX cards also have problems out the gate? In fact, didn't they even delay the original launch? These issues happen with just about all GPUs and CPUs.
best review comment >>>Very good article. The inescapable conclusion is that the VII fits in between the RX 2080 and 2070. But is that so bad? Does it justify granting the VII a 60% Rating?
I just bought a Radeon VII from amd.com for $699 with free shipping. It's still not available on Newegg.
Here's my thinking. The REAL cost of the Radeon VII is $550, because the included game bundle is worth at least $150, maybe much more. That puts it between the RX 2070 and RX 2080 if you add in their respective game bundles. Radeon VII performance also fits between the 2070 and 2080. The VII obliterates the 2070 for only $75 more. The VII's power draw is a bit more than the RX 2080 for slightly less performance, but costs at least $100 less. Ergo, it's a decent value.
My only concern is noise due to fan ramp up. As I mentioned in a previous post, the IGN review claimed they could use Wattman to lower the fan curve so it's not a problem - "One other thing to note - this GPU ships with a really aggressive fan curve, making it super loud when running at full load. Again, echoes of Vega once again. However, the good news is it's totally unnecessary as the card has a lot of headroom and the cooling seems over-engineered. The card never got higher than 66C with the default fan curve in the Radeon Wattman software. I lowered the curve to the point where I could barely hear the GPU at all, and even then it never got hotter than 70C. I have no idea why the default fan speed is so high, but it's not necessary."
I'm keeping my fingers crossed! If the fans are not tamable, then I'll just have to get a Morpheus or go with water. Sure, it will increase the cost, but the card still performs almost on par with the RX 2080, so who cares.
But here's the real lesson. When you buy computer equipment, you're really buying entertainment. The ability to overclock or play with cooling is a huge part of what you get. People will spend WAY more than they need for a Threadripper, play with aftermarket cooling, overclocking, mobos, etc... Admit it, people love their hobby computers.
The Radeon VII is a tinkerer's dream. Gamers Nexus pointed out that the Radeon VII is easy to open up, in contrast to the RX series which are really horrible to take apart.
It provides *almost* RX 2080 performance, which is totally sufficient for my gaming needs. Ray tracing has not matured yet, so it's not an issue. It's a damn good looking card. It's a super Bitcoin miner, should I want to try my hand at that. With the 16GB frame buffer and 1TB/s memory bandwidth it will let me play with various video editing and workstation programs. Just think of the many hours of fun I'll be getting. I can hardly wait.
And it allows me to support AMD, a tiny company that has valiantly faced down its two giant competitors, Intel and Nvidia.
My rating for the Radeon VII is 100%, (subject to future modification) hehehehehe
These Bench Mark runs mean absolutely nothing if the VII is thermal throttling or power starved and is unable as configured from the factory maintain it's rated clock speeds.
Will be interesting to see numbers once any throttling has been dealt with and we get a decent driver for the card...
After seeing this and der8auer 's Video it seems like AMD has catastrophic drivers. Either that or we have an disappointing card (again)
When haven't they had totally fucked drivers ? Reasonable hardware and abysmal software seems how AMD rolls.
Catastrophic? Oh the drama 🤣
I vote for again...!
16GB HBM2 is insane!
@WD Fourty I use Blackmagic Davinci Resolve Studio to edit 4K video and above. 16gb of HBM2 ram is fantastic for jobs that are ram intensive, IE colour grading, Temporal Noise reduction etc. I don't do much gaming. but if I do this card will meet my needs. also we don't use SLi or Crossfire in professional apps. this allows the apps to use all the ram from each card.
@Deon Spates why you want to buy 8gb one if there's 16gb one with same kind of price.......
@@johnbancroft5242 and unfortunately the 16gb of hbm2 did not help at all. The 2080 actually beat it in rendering in Adobe and resolve.
@@SuperSilvi1990 I dont think rendering is based off vram.
@@coolmemesbudd that was what I was trying to point out to John. It doesn't help us to have 16gb...... at all.
Paul, when you showed the graph for the Battlefield V performance, your video insert was showing Battlefield 1 running. Was the test run in BF V or BF 1?
May I request that the differential changes between Direct X compatibility/updates, wait a while to see if an update sets the full potential of the Radeon VII?
Case in point- don't buy new hardware on launch day, unless you want possibilities for problems with the premium cost.
...Having the TJ temperatures beyond the boiling point of water, sustained for a long period of time, will cause the silicon to break apart. I don't like their theory on this.
I would be interested in seeing what the 2080 FE release date driver results are vs the Radeon VII release date driver results.
I finding a wide range of results form youtubes… Most show that the Vii is on par with the 2080 butt these results are using the most current drivers and not the press releases drivers..
im semi annoyed there a bunch of reviewers on youtube that releases there press releases drivers and benchmarking results
the biggest worry I have my self is not the hardware but amd drivers (current and how fast they "fix them" for any problems they may currently have
I can't remember what driver u said u used though... I have to double check that..
Question. Are you using the "media" release drive for the Radeon 7 Card vs the more mature RTX drivers that have been out a while ? Watched Jayz video and he disclosed up front the difference between "new untested" and mature differences in the drivers.
Hey Paul ,
I know that you predominantly review and benchmark for gaming .
Would you consider a production workload comparison using the Radeon VII vs RTX 2080 ?
One with Premiere Pro , Davinci Resolve 15.2 . , Final Cut Pro .
Thanx
I use to be a poor teenage kid who barely afford pc gaming. I use to used ATI before they were bought by AMD. The reason being they use to be a real competitor with Nvidia. The only difference was their cards offer value for the money. I remember their cards had better smoother windows desktop performance than an equivalent nvidia gpu.
But after college when i now have a great job and making lots of money i went back to pc gaming and was utterly disappointed. Their drivers and software is what held it back. I could not get Crossfire to scale very well. My AMD cards over heated. I so many issues i gave up and went over to the dark side. And every single iteration of nvidia product i owned since was A+. A consumer should not have to self diagnose problems that a software update could have fixed. This is why AMD is where they are now. If it weren't for Console gaming they would be bankrupt by now.
I would love an update on this. I'm willing to bet the Vii beats out the 2080 these days. You can also get the Vii for $600. Its also proven that it loves overlooking if you can keep it cool
One question and thing I have noticed that has been occurring a lot on the testing is that DX11 tests surpasses RTX 2080 yet DX12 does not. Do you or anyone believe that there is a driver issue with DX12 that can be fix in later driver updates or AMD pushed too soon their Radeon 7?
At least they could make price $50-100 less then rtx 2080. People would buy it for sure, but at the same speed for the same money I will wait for now.
Buy it for sure? It's completely sold out
I feel like you need to update your list of games for testing graphics cards. Maybe add games like far cry 5 for its benchmark, the new resident evil 2 remake has great PC settings in its menu for optimizing graphics. Total war Warhammer 2 has a great benchmark tool I think.
With how many people are streaming now days, have you thought of testing cards for encoding performance, both as a standalone PC and gaming PC?
Good to see others testing the same card as each reviewer seems to be getting different- though consistent - results. Hopefully drivers will be sorted within a month or so...
Driver updates should bring it up a little but that's a lot of ground to make up.
installing it on a brand new ryzen 7 system that has no previous nvidia drivers would 100% show different results than using it on a prebuild intel system.
@@puregameplay7916 Paul's pretty thorough with his testing methodology. Im fairly confident he would run DDU before installing the different vendors card. If he could weigh in that would be cool?
@@puregameplay7916 ...and again with this same argument. Haven't you seen other reviewers also testing on Ryzen builds? or are you blind to your own argument?
@@Drinnan again, where are these videos because ive spent hours on youtube searching and haven't seen a single radeon 7 test on a ryzen system.
@@puregameplay7916 There's been some that have tried it in both but the scores are higher using the 9900k in gaming so why would they show you the lower scores?
I'm sure if they had the 2080 on a 9900k and the VII in a ryzen you'd be complaining that it unfair that the 2080 was used in a more powerful setup.
Can win with you fanboys, you are all blindby your own judgement.
So many reviewers are trying to be fair with their assesment of the VII but you can hide the fact that it's not ready yet since there's a huge problem with the drivers like there always is with AMD
I’m curious what the difference would be if they did double the ROPs ? And why not make that a change before making the MI60
One use case where the Radeon VII will blow circles around the 2080 is in Resolve... Puget Systems benchmarking found that the Radeon VII performed 1 pointer HIGHER than the 2080 TI in overall performance.
Gosh why u are still using the 3dmark crap for benchmarking? Why not to use the Unigine Valley or Heaven? They are lightweight and people do not need to search for malware crack not serial number generators in order to run them with all caps enabled.
You ran Ashes of Singularity in DX12 mode instead of Vulkan?
Edit: Hmm. apparently the case you used is designed for silent cooling. The airflow inside is minimal so your card will probably cook in it.
I know it's late, but congratulations on attaining 1M subs! :D
Will you be doing a Radeon 7 vs Vega 64 Frontier Edition? That seems like the only way of seeing what difference the double bandwidth with the same vram size is.
they should remove half of the hbm 2 and add more cu's
and lowering price on rtx 2070 level because Radeon 7 are basically on that level not on rtx 2080 level
That's called a Vega 64, which goes for $400
There are no 2GB HBM2 modules so instead of 4×4 you'll get 2×4 so memory bandwidth will be cut in half.... And the current performance will go down the drain...
Nope, add more CUs and double yhe RAM. Never reduce RAM!
Then it would be a Vega 64.
The Radeon 7 needs some huge driver improvements. Toss a 25% power increase at it and see virtually no improvements. Remotely think about touching the mem and core sliders and tank you performance. AMD claims the drivers are working as intended and I sure as hell hope not. Roman put it on dry ice just to see what happened, and eventually got a core clock of about 2100 (note he has to use the auto oc feature in WattMan to get those numbers though).
Hopefully drives maturing will help this as it did for the Vega FE when it launched it was a mess. Now after ppl figured it out its a beast.
listen, after few updates the Radeon 7 will be ready, plus on the announcement day the Benchmark was shown tested with ryzen 7. And Paul's Hardware please remember that NVIDIA had similar issues when their card was release and after a few update it was ok.
Sadly the ability to use an NVidia card on freesync monitor IS NOT as blanket a statement as indicated. There are still a LOT of freesync monitors that do not support NVidia cards, especially at the higher end of monitors.
Would really like to know how many cards they had available. I got the email at 9 am, saw it 10 minutes later, went to Newegg and the 3 (XFX, Asrock and Sapphire) cards that were offered were all sold out.
I have a question. AMD reference card on their website is what brand because I want to buy Sapphire since it is the best brand. Thanks.
Paul...your Nvme... You SAID it was Pro, but you SHOWED an Evo at 5:27, what was it? Could that make a difference??
ofc +30fps, guaranteed 👍
The moment you realize that things will never change because Lisa Su (AMD's CeO) is Jen-Hsun Huang's (Nvidia's CEO)niece. Now go and think about that...
Omg that bug in overwatch! So I used to get that bug all the time on my gtx 1070 when I'd oc my memory. It would go all blue or all green and persist until I closed the game.
Not an AMD fanboy but shouldnt we wait first for better drivers to come out of the new vega card or are there out already?
i think it's a little premature to say it isn't as fast as the 2080... your sample size is excruciatingly small to be fair. I'll wait for about 50 games to be tested, various resolutions, decent drivers etc before i commit to which one is faster. However, the noise is a bit of a turn off. And i don't do production work. I was hoping this card would do well so i could get one, but i have no issue getting the 2080 instead, they're both more than capable of doing what i need. But, i would prefer something a little quieter so will likely go AIB 2080 for now. cheers for the vid!
Jayztwocents reckoned it was a beast in his gaming benchmarks, problem was the card continually froze and seemed to hot, he got new drivers from amd which improved some issues but there were still problems.
I hope Vega isn't going to turn out to be like Bulldozer: an interesting idea that worked great on paper but just couldn't compete in actual implementation. Vega 56 was a solid contender in its price range, but 64 underperformed, and 7 looks like it might underperform as well.
The problem with Nvidia allowing access to use adaptive sync monitors is that they've said that they found loads of issues with a lot of monitors & out of 300 odd monitors tested they only think 5 are working as they should, Then they say they won't tell us which monitors they class as not working properly & then they follow up with a "but you can buy one of our gpu's & try your monitor yourself", It's like they think we're stupid, I'm not willing to buy an Nvidia GPU on the off chance it might work with my adaptive sync monitor, I know it works with my AMD graphics card so I'll have to stick with what I know. Nvidia opening the floodgates for adaptive sync monitor owners was no more than a publicity stunt to try and improve Turing sales, They clearly don't want to put any work into it to get the number that can be rated as G-sync compatible up which means I won't be going with Nvidia just yet.
nvidia is more open for you...AMD is not when its lying to you since
first paul, then steve, then hwunboxed, then hwcanucks. after that i dont care anymore^^
@DaKermitFrog Cheers, I went GN then Paul, sue me :D
wb linus
#WhatAboutJay ?
I watch Paul's video while reading GN's article. I spread my love evenly.
I went Hardware unboxed first, that's just how i roll.@@Hardwareunboxed
Always great videos, sound test may need some work.
just want to point out which i wish media would do more of the drivers that the reviewers are using will not be a finished driver and might not even be the driver that you get when you buy the card, there will be bugs in the first wave of drivers but thats to be expected and honestly if your basing to buy or not to buy based on initial reviews i think your doing it wrong
Quick Games All reviewers I have watched made it clear they were using “press drivers”. It doesn’t matter. When AMD hands a reviewer a card, they are basically saying “we are confident in our product”.
Yeah, it's a great workstation performer. But AMD shouldn't have marketed it as a gaming card tbh
watch hardwarecannucks... amd still loses in to nvidia in workloads :(
not as good as rtx even in workstation
Did I ever compare it to an RTX card? no.
@@r17v1 really depends on the workload. Blender render as an example, it's 35% faster, within comparable prices. Other loads it's slower or no difference. And very useful for people in need of the “big“ amount of hbm for a reasonable price.
All in all, do your own research in regards of your needs. And stop classify something as better in a broad spectrum as workstation.
drivers a mess, performance looks like MEH? and the temps seems way way hot.. how about using Conductonaut or any other liquid metal?
When I was a teenager I worked my ass off to build an amd setup with an fx 6300 processor and an xfx 7870 card and it was disappointing to say the least. Since then I've never touched another amd product
lol I used to have an issue with my 980Ti for a while where overwatch would turn purple. It would slowly leak in from the sides and overtake everything until I restarted.
What kind of PC case is that, and where can I buy it in Canada?
I prefer Radeon VII because it's not just a video card, it's 2 in 1. Every morning you can make a coffee, eggs and bacon and then play some games and you only use one thing - Radeon VII. This is the best card which AMD has made for a long time. The last good card of this type (2 in 1) was R9 290X but yeah... 110 degrees of RVII beat the 94 of 290X. Thanks AMD again!
You could use a frying pan as a support bracket.
I'm not going to defend this card. But you do understand that the hotspot temp isn't the same as the GPU temp, right? If you put the same sensor in any other cards, it would read out much higher temps than what we currently see. Most GPU thermal diode temps are measured off of the edge of the chip, while this is buried deep in the middle of the core.
7:51 TIL that Time Spy Extreme is actually Port Royal in disguise
When are you going to get an aresIV dual vega 7 liquid cooled for testing??
That junction temp it is not the normal temperature that you were seeing on other GPUs. Why is this confusion all over the UA-cam tech space??
What exactly was the issue you had with Battlefield V running in DX12 mode?
Being an anti-Nvidia Linux user, i still want it. Hopefully by the time they actually _have_ some, the drivers will be worked out.
PAUL PAUL PAUL! OVER HERE! QUESTION! SRERIOUSLY! SERIOUS QUESTION - would the higher bandwidth and more GPU RAM help with streaming/recordings simultaneously while playing? Using OBS. Thanks
also using ryzen 1700x
I've always kind of seen the Radeon series as being some how less than the NVIDIA cards. They just don't stack up, and it seems like there's always an issue with Radeon card drivers and temperatures right off the bat.
Those Ashes scores... I get 56.7fps on Crazy DX12 GPU focus on a ref V64. Would have thought VII could have swung a little harder.
That Ashes score surprised me the most. I have a generic Gigabyte Vega 64 yet the Radeon 7 is hardly any better there. Most of the other games have always favored Nvidia though...
@PaulsHardware - Recent updates to Time Spy is Directed @ RTX - may be a Sign of Why the Time Spy Scores differ as Presented ?
Should have waited to fix driver issues before release...might have to save for a a 1080 instead.
You should retest with new drivers and see if you can undervolt it. It's not loud or as hot then.
I wonder if swaping fans from another gpu that have a quieter design without negitivling effecting cooling. like removed from another card and installed into the radeon vii with the factory shroud and using the stock mounting
I give it 30 days. The Drivers will likely catch up quickly. DX12 and Vulkan are usually shining stars for AMD so obviously something is off.
So what I keep getting out of the reviews im watching this morning of the Radeon VII card is that A) its very hard to recommend as a card as its not an overclockable card due to AMD changing there backend of it and tools needing to be updated, and B) Drivers are horrible and likely the largest issue with this launch. Feels extremely rushed for the launch to counter Nvidias 20XX series launch last year since Navi is not close to being ready yet.
Is the Vega so far behind because the drivers are brand new? Is the perfromance expected to improve over time to close the gap?
Hew nos?
Driver updates are going to absolutely help this card massively.
Is it me, or does it look like the DirectX 12 hasen't been optimized yet for the 7....? Looks like better drivers would definitely be in order here, and AMD is pretty decent at doing that. I'd personally wait for either better branded cards(for better cooling) and better drivers (or both) before making a decision. It's never a good idea to jump on a video card when it's first released.
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I think you swapped the edge VS junction temp usage?
least jay2cents made the right call on abusing Radeon 7....but be-careful jay...we need be more aware on navi ....its easily to debunk any vega...cause its bad architecture to begin with....no matter how small they push it....all they doing its making more hotter than first vega in thermals density ...and less performance due to higher heat
Drugs are bad mmmkay?
By the way, I would love to see some houdini simulation benchmarks running on the Radeon VII.
Just ordered one, it's in the mail. Upgraded from an RX 570. I wouldn't say I'm an AMD fan boy, but all of my cards have been AMD. I don't like Nvidia as a company for ethical reason. Them being very anti-competitive and what knot. There's a lot of things about Radeon cards I don't like, but I've made a stance in my life to never buy an Nvidia GPU. It's nice to see AMD playing in the higher end market. This GPU is the most expensive computer part I've ever bought.
Same dude, I could get extra performance if I buy Nvidia, +better power effiency.... but fuck Nvidia in all honesty.
1:10 "russian components, american components, ALL MADE IN TAIWAN!"
sounds as Armagedon
Ok so I got the card because of Nvidias stupid Dolby Vision glitch. I didn’t see much of your core clock fluctuate. My VII does fluctuate like crazy while gaming. Is that normal for an amd card to do that?
I think i read these results completely differently to most people. The Radeon 7 is to buy them time to finish Navi. If they're this close with a vega die shrink surely this is a great sign for Navi?
So AMD pretty much got beaten up again.
Hahahaha.
More like AMD beat themselves up. The hardware seems fine but the drivers are shit.
For now, yes.
As always. They aim too high in their pricing. At 399-499 bucks I would call this a win, but at 699?
HUGE L
They beat themselves by releasing with unstable buggy drivers.
what if amd using gddr6 and increase their transistor on their GPU? maybe it'll be faster than we expect, ofcourse it'll increase the die size, but we can expect how well the gpu itself. maybe this is their strategy to make a new card in the future with 7nm processing? no one knows
Just waiting on Navi to get proper value. And if I want more performance I could just pair two thanks to PCIe 4.0
Bummer. Every time I get to PC upgrading time, I have this desire to make an all-AMD build, but they always end up fucking up somewhere, whether it’s in the CPU space or with their GPUs. I wanted this to be a killer, but there’s kind of no point in buying it when the 2080 wipes the floor with it, and Vega 64s can be bought for half the price AND with a bundle of 3 awesome games.
is it me or in the past amd gpu's mostly lose to nvidia in DX11 but wins mostly in DX12 but here i see quite the opposite ??!!
maybe some driver updates will fix this cuz i assume the drivers arent optimized for DX12 yet somehow
i can smell the 1mi subs, congrats on that Paul, you deserve it.