Fallout Talk - The "lore issues" of the Fallout show (and how to work around them)
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- The lore issues of the Amazon Fallout show.
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0:00 Intro
1:03 Shady Sands Fiasco
7:42 Vault-Tec did it
10:56 Final thoughts - Ігри
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There was one fallout youtuber, forgot his name, I think he's the one that made "Bethesda never understood fallout" video but basically he had a great line that goes something like this "The problem isn't that you can't justify it in canon, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S BORING. If the entire west, east, midwest is just deathclaw o'clock then we have no reason to get excited to see new entries to the series. The appeal was to see post post nuclear world that crawled out from the ashes, but Bethesda thinks the game is about the ashes".
Same goes for me, idc if Bethesda can justify so many retcons, I'd excuse RETCONING EVERYTHING, yes EVERYTHING, if they just provided a good RPG. Just ONCE.
They can't make an RPG even as half as engaging as FNV is, and the fact that FNV got 84 score and critical acclaim from gamers is what makes me hate Bethesda. Yoy know it would be one thing if FNV never became popular and done poorly in sales, yoy could at least say "Well, that's why Bethesda ain't making more fallout RPGs cuz rpg genre doesn't sell, hence why they focus on survival aspects " but it's a bold lie, FNV DID sell well, had it not been for bugs and maybe lack of polish in some places(rushed dev time) the game would've done even better! Add Bethesda skills at making pretty maps and we could have had genuinely timeless RPG game series, and Bethesda refused to unlock this potential...
Oh yeah the TV show, it would also still be bad even without retcons, Maximus felt more like a villain for first half of the series, but not a charming one or scary one, so the fact they tried to sell him as a good guy when he joined Lucy is bizarre and doesn't work, Lucy was meh, The Ghoul got too little screen time and development time, the rest of the characters got too little time to develop or just boring, the story is even more boring, and the tone feels even more juvenile and goofy than previous Fallout games from Bethesda.
I thought it was pretty heavily implied that China launched the nukes first; Tim Cain himself confirmed this before the show came out. To me, it makes the most sense considering that they lost Alaska and were getting Desert Stormed over in mainland China before the bombs fell.
Vault-Tec being responsible for dropping the bombs because they wanted to "eliminate competition" and "win the game of capitalism" is not only completely irrational but extremely out of character for people who are supposed to be profit-seeking capitalists. Capitalists would never believe that capitalism is a zero-sum game like they do in this show. The show then presents capitalists as those with very little regard for human capital, which is paradoxical.
"Yeah guys let's destroy the world! It would restrict our ability to produce *and* reduce the number of consumers we can sell to at the same time! It's a foolproof plan!"
Like you said, it makes much more sense for them to want to drag out the war and milk the U.S. government for everything it's worth.
Interplay's Fallout 3 and Fallout Online were both going to confirm Vault-Tec is responsible for dropping the bombs before they were scrapped, the Fallout Bible says as much too. For a more canon source you have the nuke in Megaton marked with Vault-Tec's logo, which sort of confirms they dropped nukes on American soil.
@Dominion Why are you making up stuff up? Go to any forum previous to the show, everyone knew who did it.
@@DominionSorcerer
"Interplay's Fallout 3 and Fallout Online were both going to confirm Vault-Tec is responsible"
They might have intended to say JFK was responsible, however if you look at the actual games, that's not what happened and it totally contradicts every bit of evidence.
"the nuke in Megaton marked with Vault-Tec's logo"
Doesn't exist. Because that's a false claim that was debunked years ago when fans brought it up, and is directly contradicted by the chinese sub commander, vault tec's representative in vault-88, etc etc.
Vault-tec was at least a year away from being ready and the military knew it was months at most until a chinese attack.
CCP shilling is going on and I have to wonder why.
@@DominionSorcerer The issue with that whole notion though is that it makes no sense. A for profit organisation which makes money from selling spaces inside nuklear fallout shelters can only really make any money as long as the status quoe of late stage capitalism is still in effect. The 2 things that Vault-tec would want the least would be 1: For the paranoia around the idea of another world war to just end. And 2: For said war to actually occur, they only earn money as long as there is a war on the horizon. What would they gain from starting the great war? This whole idea would only make sense if we'd assume that the weird morality system from fallout 3 is cannon, where people just do eeeevil things because they happen to be born marked as an evil person, who's only purpose in life is to go out there and k*ll as many people which are assigned as good as possible, and we know for a fact that this is simply not the case (luckily) so no matter what, until they outright say that Vault-tec did it people will rightfully reject the idea, because there is no circumstances under which it makes any sense whatsoever, and even if confirmed people will still rightfully call bs.
They're still using the jargon of American democracy and capitalism, but do they really believe it? Their actions are like a dystopian critique of early 20th century "dictatorship of scientists" type technocrats. So there's a few ways to interpret them in season 1:
1. The inevitable final move of capitalism is to blow up capitalism and they just realized this before anyone else.
2. The military-industrial-evil super science complex of 2077 is corrupted to the point they'd start a nuclear war to hang on to power, despite barely keeping up appearances with patriotism and references to American values. Critique of Cold War America, corporatism, very on brand for Fallout.
3. The evil super science wing of the military-industrial complex has outgrown the other parts and the government. Despite barely keeping up appearances with talk of profits and markets, they want to establish technocracy. The new lower class in the vaults will still believe in the American Way, but everything is firmly under control of the evil super scientists and the evil social scientists in human resources. Do they even still have a currency to measure profits in? Who cares, because it's not really about profit. On brand for Nolan, Fallout, and on theme for stuff like "death to management" and Bud's Buds.
I can see why people view Vault-Tec through the lens of #1 because it's what some characters plainly say their motivation is. But being that blunt and leaving it there doesn't leave a lot of room for the Fallout-y and Nolan-esque big reveal of a deeper level of conspiracy in season 2.
My actual gripe with the show is, she just walked the wasteland (until trapped by the ghoul) without being attack either by raiders nor wasteland fauna
She almost gets eaten by Radroaches right at the beginning
To be fair, that's what NV is like lol, just empty, bland nothingness.
Sure, the story of NV is (was, thanks to the show) good, if a little nihilistic for me, but good god the wasteland is boring and empty compared to 3 or even 4.
@@funki4896 and that's exactly what I didn't like, between all the creatures of the wasteland her biggest monster was roaches
@@DarthWall275You mean a non-themepark without mutants and raiders staring at each other face to face
@@LeAlejxprobably a budget thing. Radroaches are easy to work with. The yaoi guai (cannot remember its spelling) attacking the knight was probably the biggest creature we saw. Also the gulper. I imagine they were trying to spread budgets around. I believe season 2s gonna have death claws, more robots, more fauna. I think season 1 was more to hook in fans versus showing off some of the layers of the fallout universe. We've barely scratched the surface.
I don't think Vault-Tec dropped the bombs, just suggested doing it.
I agree with you. I felt like they were saying that they "would" do it. That doesn't mean that they did it.
It's rather interesting that Interplay had decided to reveal Vault-Tec being behind the bombs twice before Bethesda acquired the rights to Fallout, first in their scrapped Fallout 3 and Fallout Online. Fallout Bible says it too, but they're all equally non-canon.
Megaton has a Vault-Tec nuke in the middle, so we do know Vault-Tec nukes were for some reason launched on American soil.
@DominionSorcerer this actually common misconception I forget who did a video but one of the Fallout UA-camrs did a video talking about this and showing the fact that it wasn't actually a vault tech symbol
@@DominionSorcerer
"Megaton has a Vault-Tec nuke"
This gets repeated, it gets debunked, it gets repeated ... and it never makes sense as a claim anyway.
Planes were falling from the sky. Which is why Megaton exists. Planes stopped working. If US plane fell carrying bomb, plane can break up as falls. Bomb separate. Still not deliberately dropped.
So that's one side of the scale. The other is the multiple sources in games contradicting that narrative, such as the chinese sub commander. Why would he lie? Isn't it more likely that he's telling the truth?
It's a retcon by the tv writers, none of whom seem to have bothered being consistent. Which, admittedly, is very Bethesda. In fact, they could have been Bethesda interns, sent over to write the tv show because Bethesda had to vacuum the computers or something.
It was RadKing that confirmed it wasn’t a Vault-Tec logo
The ghoul thing, the NCR seemingly gone, East Coast Brotherhood and Enclave making a comeback are also really dumb
NCR isn't gone, the ghoul thing isn't an issue, East Coast Brotherhood sure but at the same time they weren't meant to be a permanent fixture on the East Coast and only went there to scavenge tech before Lyons took their mission off course. The Enclave as a pre-war conspiracy would have bases all over the US like we see on the oil rig and Appalachia, and New Vegas has already confirmed an Enclave presence in Chicago.
So we're just going to ignore the retcon to ghoul biology, the terrible aim of the sentry turret aiming at Dr Wilzig, all the Power Armor shenanigans and BS, and the fact that canonically the Institute still didn't have cold fusion before the show released? (Sidenote: Who needs Cold Fusion if you have fission in an object the size of a water bottle?)
Its not really a retcon of Ghoul Biology. It just showed that there was a drug that could stave off being feral. However it wasn't stated that it was required for all ghouls or that all go feral without it. I took it as, if a ghoul is going feral then they can take that drug.
@@tatertom2641 Except Todd's earlier Band-Aid has a Ghoul sitting in a refrigerator for two centuries without food, water, or Rad-X, in spite of the Ghouls of former Bakersfield needing water to survive in the first game. It's nonsense piled upon nonsense in attempt to paper over earlier nonsense.
It's implied that Goggins' character needs daily or almost daily hits of the stuff to avoid going feral. How on Earth do you have whole cities of Ghouls last for any amount of time if that's the case? It would be like an entire county of diabetics without commercially available Insulin. You'd run into problems pretty quickly.
@@Jacob-pu4zj billy likely went dormant for days or years at a time. heck, maybe its something unique to ghoul children that he didn't need food or water. there are still many mysteries to ghouls even the creators didn't finalize. as for Cooper, ghouls go feral at various rates. some, it can be quick. others, it can take centuries. this is why there are so many ferals and comparatively few non-ferals. as for the ghoul drug, it is likely a rare concoction. you need to know the right people to get it. and for cooper, he is lucky he is good at making money and doing what is necessary just to get a stash of it. it's possible Lucy's actions at the Super Duper Mart ended his continued longevity. she gave him enough to last a while, but it will likely be only long enough for the series (few months or years at most) before he goes feral.
But if Shady Sands was moved, then that would be a pretty significant event, so its date should be on the board if that was the case, but it isn't.
could be a historical recreation. "NCR City" replaced shady sands, and at some point the original village was recreated in LA. or something happened around or after new vegas that DID force a settlement relocation to the Boneyard before shady sands was destroyed some time after.
@@KristopherPrime Unfortunately that is very unlikely to happen as some sort of fix. Shady Sands was destroyed because it was meant to cause sadness to Fallout fans, a historic and iconic area however simple the area was in F1. The sheer loss of the city would be neutered in the eyes of the show writers and Bethesda if they just said it wasn’t the actual Shady Sands.
This would had been easily avoided if it was Adytom (from the Boneyard) that is destroyed or some new city invented for that. Funnily enough, the Vault 4 housing the NCr cultists would had been somewhat of an echo of the past, since Boneyard has religious elements like the Followers, Master, and such.
I think the locations of the show exclusive vaults make no sense, the Master would have definitely found vault 33 if it was that close to the Boneyard and not hidden at all
Were there mutants in that area tho?
I thought about Master as well, but now I can't remember if supermutants were present in LA. I mean as random encounters, not those in the cathedral.
Also, he didn't do anything to Boneyard iirc. Which is also very close.
@@zhulikkulik if you don't remember, why not just google search? The cathedral was right next to the Boneyard and the Master was looking for vaults and would have easily found vault 33
@@zhulikkulikThe master is in he boneyard, it's safe to say there were mutants there. And the reason the master didn't attack Adytum in the boneyard is both that they weren't prime normals and also because the could bolster the numbers of the Children of the Cathedral.
how do we know he DIDN'T find it? but as the show (and even the game canon) confirmed is that someone needs special means to open a vault. hell, we only ever open up vaults in fallout 4 because we have a pip-boy. in EVERY major game we had a pip-boy. for all we know, even the control panels in fallout 3 and new vegas could only be opened because we had a pip-boy. Moldaver's raiders only got into vault 33 because they had access to a pip-boy. the enclave took advantage of vault 13's ignorance to gain access or the fact that they are THE government is logic enough if they opened the vault themselves. vault 8 was already open the Master's forces found Necropolis. and as we see in the show the Vault Triangle wasn't likely to open their doors for any reason beyond Vault-Tec themselves saying so (reclamation day).
@@KristopherPrime Two words, bad ending.
The bad ending of Fallout 1 shows the door of Vault 13 where it seems that the muties used C4 or some kind of other explosive to damage the wall that the door is mounted in, then they ripped it out themselves.
Vaults, especially 3 of them in one place in the heart of L.A along with vault 14 & 15 seeing if Shady sands is closer to Boneyard should be on the Masters catherdrals doorsteps.
The catherdral being the tri 33 vault wouldve made more sense if the master killed the dwellers & used the database to locate the other vaults, not only would it explain Vault-tecs absense along with enclave being absent for 100 years due to loosing vault tec centrum
Not to mention how recaping Fallout 1 would make for a 1000x better show.
I'm personally gonna put a head canon that the Fallout Show never happens.
Honestly, I think there's going to be another season, and then nobody will remember the show.
I want the show to be good, but if they continue to ignore criticism and label new vegas fans as incels (makes absolutely no fucking sense), it just makes me want the show to fade into obscurity
You shouldn’t have to create head cannon to justify retcons, retcons should just avoid being made.
Why would Barb nuke the world while her daughter in birthday party?! I think vault-tic were taken off guard by the someone else, I believe Mr house said the bomb dropped earlier than it was intended or something like that
exactly. vault-tec planning to drop the bombs doesn't mean they actually did it. china (or many other factors) caused the bombs to drop. and i find it best in the story to not confirm WHO exactly did it. it was seemingly inevitable, anyway.
Shows beyond repair honestly, would be much better to just be considered non canon
show isn't "beyond repair". its actually pretty good. it just needs better explaining of certain things. hopefully season 2 will fix that such as expanding upon shady sands' "relocation".
My Head Cannon is that the ''Fall'' was some big blow during the NCR-Brotherhood war most likely when the brotherhood destroyed the Gold Reserve they might have hit the Shady Sands harder then we believed before making it less of a ''Fall'' and more of a Sack and the bomb fell on Shady Sands later letting them recover and still govern from there but losing alot of it's short lived glory.
Wonder how long it'll take the Bethesda stans to hate on you for daring to criticize the show.
I never watched the show. Was it definitively made clear in the boardroom meeting scenes that Vault-Tec would have been the one to launch the first nuke, or were those scenes more meant to show their depravity in planning for it but still left it open as to who actually shot first?
The scene was very cringe. It was a very unnecessarily dramatic "we will drop the bomb"
It wasn't made definitively clear, no. It's up to interpretation (for now, until more seasons come out) whether they actually did it or simply meant they had the capability to do it.
@@kevalyarathore223 dude, it wasn’t cringe.
@@Steel-101 It was cringe af
@@kevalyarathore223 The reveal that vault tech had plans to drop the bombs was very well done, and the acting from Cooper Howard was fantastic. After all the terrifying experiments from the company, I’m not surprised that they had crazy plans like this. Also, check your spelling
Having recently replayed Fallout 2, there are a number of times I remember reading that it was at least _heavily_ implied that the Chinese launched first, from the Shi Emperor's logs to President Richardson himself saying as much. Now I _know_ President Richardson of the Enclave may not be the most reliable source of information but why would he lie about such a thing? He was perfectly forthcoming with everything else he talked about so either from him or from the Shi, particularly one log made by the Submarine Captain, (granted this might be from the Restoration Project mod that I have, but still this mod was meant to add in all that was cut for time), it's pretty clear that Black Isle at least had the idea that the Chinese launched first.
And beyond that, it didn't really matter if the Chinese or Americans launched first, that wasn't the point of Interplay/Black Isle/Obsidian Fallout games. The point was living in this new world because the old one was gone! But to say that _Vault-Tec_ of all people were the ones who launched first is nothing more than the writers trying to shock the existing and new audiences with this subversion of expectations as well as a shallow attempt at being clever.
God I have so much contempt for this show for so many reasons.
My ways for fixing the lore inconsistencies is by one saying "oops we meant the Bonyard was hit by a nuke not Shady Sands sorry" and then have the resulting refugee crisis and economic crisis to cause the NCR to shrink back into its Northern territories.
Option 2 is to act like their was a lot more walking involved that the 4 wasteland sets they had to work with. And use the creator in the boneyard as where the cathedral was or just a nuke from the grate war.
As for Vault Tec did it I can see that they planned to as part of the Enclaves original goal of colonising a new world or wiping the slate clean on earth to have total control from the beginning of the new Enclave led civilization. And simply they planned to do it but we're beaten to it hence why major figures weren't ready for the bombs. Then you have House who likely wasn't told when it would happen due to not being on bored with the plan, but the meeting itself being a vital part of his calculations for getting so close with his predictions.
Or this too is a very strong misinterpretation where their going to drop a bomb to boost the need for more vaults their has been hints to show that Vault Tec is running out of money.
Overall Bethesda was clearly saying yes this is how it is presented in the show as cannon but that happens when your writers either don't know the lore, are getting clift notes or your just trying to remember detail off the top of your head/miss reading the wiki and can't be bothered to watch some of the hours of lore content on UA-cam.
I kinda like the sandy shore theory
Vault tek talked about it, but it wasn't (as far as I understood) confirmed that they actually did. More that if it it looked like it wasnt going to happen on its own, they would make sure it happened. Also too many unfinished vaults and other half done projects to make vault tek dropping the bombs to make sense.
Also, I took "fall of shady sands" to be like "autumn of shady sands" as in the decline before the "winter" or end.
The lore about the goulds is what bothered me. Somehow they went from ageless to true zombie like, head shots only.
Closest we got to Vault-Tec being confirmed was Interplay's Fallout 3 and Fallout Online, as well as the Fallout Bible - neither of which are canon. Megaton's nuke is marked with Vault-Tec's logo, so that implies they dropped nukes on American soil.
Also, about ghouls, that's actually pretty accurate to how feral ghouls were portrayed in Fallout 1 and 2. They were depicted pretty much as undead husks only animated by the lethal amounts of radiation their bodies had absorbed, they didn't have to eat, they didn't have to drink, they had no body heat. They also couldn't run and shambled around slowly and, like zombies, were only dangerous in hordes.
My two biggest problems with the Vault-Tec launching the nukes is that its incredibly lazy and it makes every smart character we know of from before the war look like complete idiots.
The "the real enemy was capitalism all along!" trope is possibly the laziest in the 21st century. It feels like every single show or film series eventually defaults to this. I am not against some good old anti capitalist messaging when it makes sense but I always thought in the fallout universe it was the government controlling the companies, not the other way around. Hence why the Enclave was so powerful. Fallout had the chance and the history to pick a more interesting response.
Then the fact that apparantly RobCo, Vault-Tec and all the major figures seemed to have just "forgot" when they would launch the nukes? Like the enclave managed to get most of their major personnel to their bunkers or the Poseidon energy rig but all the people who actually launched the bombs couldnt? It just seems dumb. House even says he predicted it, not that he planned it. So if he knew Vault-Tec would launch the nukes why wait around until the day of to upgrade his securitrons or even why bother saving Vegas? Why would Vault-Tec personnel not have all been sealed away a day before the nukes? Why would Barb not have her daughter nearby? It all just seems so brain dead.
I am no longer trying to justify the lore. I am going on the rule that there's two cannons. The real fallout canon which ended in fallout 4 and the TV canon.
The fact that they discussed it doesn't mean they did it.
But the whole "we will end the world to earn even more money" is ridiculously stupid idea. Vault-Tec would greatly benefit from keeping the conflict heated, but they would lose everything if the world ended.
House seems to just play along here. He doesn't want to show that he's preparing to.project Vegas.
PS the real canon ended when the vault dweller was expelled from the vault. There are at least three canons - 2/Vegas is the second and Bethesda's games is the third.
@@zhulikkulik no you're right. There is only one true canon, 2/Vegas. The rest is bullshit fan fic
I think Vault-Tec would be cool with turning the USA into a company town, especially with the uncertain future under previous governments.
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There was one fallout youtuber, forgot his name, I think he's the one that made "Bethesda never understood fallout" video but basically he had a great line that goes something like this "The problem isn't that you can't justify it in canon, THE PROBLEM IS THAT IT'S BORING. If the entire west, east, midwest is just deathclaw o'clock then we have no reason to get excited to see new entries to the series. The appeal was to see post post nuclear world that crawled out from the ashes, but Bethesda thinks the game is about the ashes".
Same goes for me, idc if Bethesda can justify so many retcons, I'd excuse RETCONING EVERYTHING, yes EVERYTHING, if they just provided a good RPG. Just ONCE.
They can't make an RPG even as half as engaging as FNV is, and the fact that FNV got 84 score and critical acclaim from gamers is what makes me hate Bethesda. Yoy know it would be one thing if FNV never became popular and done poorly in sales, yoy could at least say "Well, that's why Bethesda ain't making more fallout RPGs cuz rpg genre doesn't sell, hence why they focus on survival aspects " but it's a bold lie, FNV DID sell well, had it not been for bugs and maybe lack of polish in some places(rushed dev time) the game would've done even better! Add Bethesda skills at making pretty maps and we could have had genuinely timeless RPG game series, and Bethesda refused to unlock this potential...
Oh yeah the TV show, it would also still be bad even without retcons, Maximus felt more like a villain for first half of the series, but not a charming one or scary one, so the fact they tried to sell him as a good guy when he joined Lucy is bizarre and doesn't work, Lucy was meh, The Ghoul got too little screen time and development time, the rest of the characters got too little time to develop or just boring, the story is even more boring, and the tone feels even more juvenile and goofy than previous Fallout games from Bethesda.
My big gripe is that it downplays the power of the master and his influence on the boneyard
I think the Enclave will have a bigger role in the plot for the upcoming seasons. Vault-Tec may have "done" it (dropped the first bomb), but only at the behest of the Enclave which would make more sense and fit with existing lore.
there's no working around them. the only way to fix these lore issues caused by the show is to just have the show be non-canon. simple as.
I swear alot of people don’t even know the lore of the original games and just go over whatever Todd or Tim cain says, as if that discredits every piece of lore from the interplay/obsidian games or even the people like Chris Avellone who disagree.
Sure, making Vault Tec responsible for the great war and Nuking the NCR were dumb, but can we acknowledge how crappy the T-60 Helmet ( specifically *just* the helmet) looks in the show? It's like a life-sized Funko pop helmet, hell, even *Fortnite* did a better job.
I think the simplest explanation for Shady Sands location is that it was a retcon. It was far away from L.A., but it was changed. Things like this happen in all long running franchises.
the simplest explanation is that the show never happened its simply an illusion of the demiurge.
Hey man I like the show
@@diurtydantv8061 whatever goy
If they can patch No Way Home, they can patch the TV show. They won't but they could.
The Fallout show had some good stuff but I loath the new lore introductions.
Hey could you talk about other countries in the Fallout universe like in Africa and Europe? I know there is probably not a lot known about them but I would love to hear your take as well as anyone else’s.
Vault-Tec orchestrating a false flag nuclear attack has been the implied canon for decades.
Vault-Tec was working with the Enclave to wipe the slate clean, and then potentially abandon Earth. That was the whole point of the Vaults; to experiment with potential generation ships and bases on other planets.
The only problem I have with that scene is it completely abandons that only being a subtextual element in the games, and instead they handhold the viewer and say it explicitly.
It was a really lame choice to have it be a big reveal in season 1 of the show, when the games have only hinted about it this whole time. The whole show lacks restraint and subtle elements of the lore that made Fallout a great game series.
All inconsistencies are resolved with the following sentence: "this show is not part of the same universe as the games."
Exactly! Why try to make sense of all the inconsistencies? I've learned that long ago being a comic book fan 😂
☢️😶🌫️☢️ *putting on my hazmat suit to wade through the F:NV Meat-riders in the comments*
Yea Todd needs to think before he acts
I feel like a lot of the problems people have with the lore issues might not be as bad when the second season comes. If the show ended after season one, I could agree with a lot of the issues, mainly how contrived the stuff with Shady Sands and Vault-Tec seem. I feel strongly that we're going to get more information and details in season two though. More flashbacks and explanations on what will happen that can correct inconsistencies and expand upon ideas that are currently shallow. I think a lot of other people's problems with Shady Sand's destruction are that it seemingly came out of nowhere, but the more I watched the show the more it seems like they do plan to do more exploration of it's destruction than just what we got in season one. I feel the same with Vault-Tec. Yes, they are implying they're going to drop the bomb so they have control over it, but in that case, why were Cooper and his daughter caught by surprise when it did? Shouldn't they have seen it coming? I feel like the show is setting a lot of foundations to build upon in season two. There's a lot more that they could do and a lot of implications they could still subvert if they want to pull a plot twist.
Idk if this is just a me thing, but my only issue was I felt the show should have been more ‘extra’. Like it should have left more over the top, like the visual equivalent of big band music.
Instead it feels like a lot of other tv shows.
The lore changes don’t upset me because they’re all interesting even if not good, which is an improvement over Bethesdas games
Good to watch, bad for fallout.
The show is absolute trash
I can only hope Bethesda goes bankrupt before they can bastardize fallout any further.
Well unfortunately we can't pick who would buy the IP then. Could be worse... could be Disney 😬