I wasn't a part of your survey, but I was exposed to Fallout 3 first, and though I played that game and I beat it, it wasn't anything to write home about in my eyes, it was just me you know another Bethesda game who cares, then I tried new vegas, well here's the issue with new vegas, I could not get into it, it just wasn't compelling to me, and it's really weird seeing comments nowadays of people praising that game for being so damn amazing, but I just couldn't get into it myself, and I thought to myself why the hell do I not like this game, then Fallout 4 came out and I fucking love that game, here's the thing though I'm also a Elder Scrolls player but more specifically I'm a Skyrim player, I have over 10,000 hours in Skyrim alone, that's quite a bit of fucking hours of my life being put in one fucking game, in fact I didn't play Fallout 4 up until a year and a half ago, yes I waited that long in order to play Fallout 4, now I will admit there are some issues that Bethesda just left in there that have ultimately soured some of that experience, but with mods and fixes and shit like that found all over the internet, I have been able to play some stable playthroughs, and I've been able to significantly improve my experience in the game, now I still struggle with the downtown Boston area of that game and that's always dog shit to me, Bethesda let's just say they are terrible at optimization and they always think so big on something and yet they don't think of how it's going to work for the hardware that they are recommending for the game, my PC is slightly above their recommendations to play the game and I still struggle with performance issues in that damn game, but here's the thing outside of all the other issues that Bethesda games in general have when it comes performance and bugs and other issues like that, those issues suck yes but besides all that nonsense, I really do love the story I love the gameplay loop, I love the freedom it has and the choices that I can make, now as I said before I couldn't get in the new vegas, it was just too lackluster for me to get into, and I felt the same way about Fallout 3 and I finished that game, I think at the time I was just desperate and I didn't have any other good games and that's why I finished it, with New Vegas I think I had better games as the result at the time and I just played those over playing new vegas, eventually I gave my 360 away to my nephew and never did play that game, oh well. Now I have a pc, and I did buy some older Bethesda games, but I have found they are much more problems than they are worth, I mean I can mod my Fallout 4 okay, but going to the far older games, the file structure in the way the mods are set up are way different in comparison, I tried to play Morrowind and that game is a pain in the ass to mod in comparison, not to mention I'm a controller player, you can't comfortably play uncontroller on that old ass game, cuz it didn't have the built-in controller support like the modern Fallout 4 does or Skyrim does, this is where PC gaming suddenly became a good thing when they started allowing controllers to fucking work and not like a mixed bag of broken software that may or may not work for your controller, it actually fucking works that'll be the new Todd Howard saying when they fix their broken engine LOL. Anyway I've made this post long enough, good day to you sirs.
I got fo3 when I was 11 I remembered seeing and oxhorn video on little lamp light luckily I don't have obsidian plague and can say that fo3 and fo4 are good games not as good as vegas but good
@@The-Red-Menace obsidian plague is when your blind to the fact that more than new vegas and 2 the others are good those infected will usually hate Bethesda
I think another thing to note is the audience you poll. No criticism here and although I do believe this channels audience is a lot more moderate, I think for the style of videos you make it tends to attract those that tend to prefer NV (Myself included). I wonder what the poll would look like if so the same questions were asked on some of the FO subreddits, or other youtubers who tend to show a lot of praise towards 3 or 4. Some thoughts on the poll in general it's mostly what I expected but there were some notable things I did not expect. Namely favorite Wasteland. I thought Appalachia would steamroll there due to the diverse landscape, and unique locals, mixed with some great music. Likewise I was surprised at the story opinion of 76 as it was one of the better parts of the game along with its map even at launch. In general the poll was hard for me as I can't deny I love the gameplay of FO4/76 as well as the story building I can do with settlements, but I can't deny my love of NV's story so I found myself conflicted there. Good polling though.
Interesting thoughts but on reddit is pretty echo chamber heavy so its gonna still heavily scew towards fnv and alot of hatred for 76/3. Grain of salt if a survey is done.
People just vote negatively on anything 76 without giving it a second thought, 76 og no-npc's story is very good for me too and the map is probably the best of the series althought I still favor the Capital Wasteland. What is clear is that the Mojave is clearly not the one, but people vote everything that says New Vegas blindly.
Is it also just me, or is most people's opinion about 76 is mainly influenced by how bethesda handled it instead of being judged for the lore in a lot of lore posts? I find that FO76 has some of the best lore in the east coast
This is exactly how it is. Even the main "lore problem" that they have is the original Appalachian chapter of BoS. And that issue was already addressed on how they formed and lost communication with Lost Hills. Heck, the game even explained how the modern tech hoarding Brotherhood of Steel evolved from US army deserters.
@@tinaherr3856 hell, the appalachian brotherhood makes more sense because of the pre war communication network being temporarily operational after the war. Its a miracle the Lyon's brotherhood made it to DC. If 76 came out before fallout 3, Lyon's would probably be an offshoot from the Appalachian branch. Still, 76's main storied with scorched 8/10, wastelanders i can't say as I haven't completed it yet.
There I am Gary, there I am! Grognard and proud! But I think this survey was released sometime after you took a break, I could be misremembering things, so I can only assume that is why there is a low sample size. Some subscribers must have not got a notification.
Fallout 3 was my first and it was my favorite. My family got New Vegas and for a variety of reasons I didn’t really like New Vegas. So I just played 3. But eventually next gen came out and I didn’t really keep the last gen consoles with I got the new ones. Selling them to get a bit of money back to offset the cost of the new consoles even just a little felt like the smart thing to do. But as most of us know Backwards compatibility was not a thing yet and this marked the end of my fallout journey. Until Fallout 4. I fell in love with 4 when I got It for Christmas and played it religiously and it quickly became my favorite. Then mods came out and that just made me love it even more. But as Fallout 4 is lets be real, built like shot I eventually grew out of favor from a mox of just being bored or mods even small one would conflict the hell out of each other which caused a lot of having to make a new game. But that was a while ago and now I don’t go crazy with mods and the way they did power are and the fact the T-60 is my all time favorite power Armor I still play it constantly. But I do have some issues or more like nitpicking and personally preferences. But Ill talk more on that in just a sec. Eventually Xbox added Backwards compatibility and the very first thing I did was pick up Fallout 3 and quickly realized why it was my favorite. Booting 4 to second place. Maybe it was because it was my first but I have a better time playing through 3. I like the characters more, the weapons, the location etc… But now because of BC I finally decided to get New Vegas but this time all the reasons that kept me from enjoying it were by this point gone and I was finally able to do a proper full play through of NV, DLC and all and I realized what I was missing. I adored Fallout New Vegas. I loved everything about it and I love the NCR drip. But at this point I still didn’t know where to fully place it. This wouldn’t come until early 2022 that after talking with some friends I would fully do a back to back between Fallout 3 and New Vegas to finally settle it. I love both but this is where NV took the title of my favorite. Towards the end of my 3 play through I was getting burned out and quickly losing interest. I of course did all the DLC but what started to annoy me is how 3 DLC really loves the gimmick of taking your weapons away and of course anchorage is well anchorage and towards the end I really wanted to leave. I didn’t even do Mothership Zeta because by this point I had enough. And ended my play through. I still loved 3 and I was playing it on the grounds it was my favorite currently. Instead of taking a break I jumped into NV the next morning and did absolutely everything just like 3 but unlike 3 I didn’t get burned out. Everything was better especially the DLC I really loved the NCR as always I explored everywhere and unlike Fallout 3 I was not feeling burnt out. I was wide eyed and bushy tails from beginning to end proving to myself that NV is better and is now my favorite Fallout. Still love 3 and it is second place with 4 still in 3rd for 3 I just have to take breaks. 76 hated it when it came out and never touched it again but I will finally in just a little bit just got to get myself in the headspace. One thing I came to realize is that I think the older graphics on 3 and NV have a certain charm to them that the new ones don’t. They just make the world feel more apocalyptic. Like Im thinking and I know its stupid and nobody would probably like this Idea but I kinda want 5 to purposefully go back to the graphics of 3 and NV. I actually want them to go backwards. It’s just 3 and NV have a certain feeling 4 doesn’t. But Ive already written a book so I’ll leave it here.
Totally forgot to fill out the survey this time. Started with 3, then NV which has shown me how modern Fallout should be done (and is still my favorite). Over time, especially after 4, I got more and more annoyed by Bethesda Fallout and then got into 1 & 2. Now a big fan of classic Fallout (partly thanks to F2 total conversion mods) and while I do love NV I think F2 is superior in terms of gameplay (yes I love the isometric style). Edit: Wait, these are the results of the survey at the end of last year? totally forgot about that, but I did take part. The new one is a new survey about our dream Fallout game... well, reading does help ^^
Honestly, I'd assume that a sudden spike in people deciding they didn't like Fallout 3 anymore may or may not be due to being told how to think by a certain youtuber with millions of subscribers. If a particular clickbait-titled Fallout 3 video from a video essayist that gained a lot of traction was never released, I'd be curious to see how many people from the fanbase still viewed Fallout 3 as a good game. Just a curious little thing to consider.
Actually it's because it's the only game I can't even get to run on modern hardware without needing to own New Vegas (thank you Tale of Two Wastelands for fixing the issue by running it through the better New Vegas engine) plus while the other main titles of 1, 2 and 4 all have some unique things that grab my attention, Fallout 3 just feels like an inferior version of New Vegas after awhile. That's why it's my least favorite
I often wonder the same. I think nowadays the general audience has tended to turn around and look with more favor on 3 and even 4 in some cases, also in part due to some other video essays on UA-cam, but I often find them to be much quieter and less vocal nowadays, and often in different communities like some subreddits.
It actually due to not aging well, its honestly one of those “great games that actually sucks” and is a pain in the ass to pkay when going back to it, plus its also got a “ticking time bomb” problem, in which play it to long it auto crashes infinitely, with no solution other than patching. In fact, that last bit wasnt solved until bethesda discovered the error during skyrims development. It had very few side quests. No reason to explode any of its dungeons, in fact, most people used a guide to visit places with x or y bobblehead or skill book rather than any reason to find the dungeon on there own. The sky was always a sickly green for no reason(even nuclear fallout would make no sense), little lamplight was a horrible thing to put up with. Your character even was more in line with a gary stu/mary sue with how rapidly everyone automatically trusts you and even the brotherhood of steel give you instant power armor training on first arrival. And none of the story or locations make any sense. It was fun at first to screw around and blow up a million bottlecap mines on tenpenny for example, or wipe out megaton without the nuke on a random save but, its just not a game that aged well :/. Its just dull. In fact i rate it lower than fallout 4 which i felt was also annoyingly meh.(below starfield even which i enjoy a lot, but ill admit its anything but a perfect game, both fallout 3 and 4 are actually very very mediocre sadly once you think about it, hell, radiants in fallout 4 gave more exp overall for example than actual quests simply due to being repeatable, whereas starfield actual faction questlines actually provide a lot of exp and can be replayed in new game plus).
10:38 I feel like this one adressed to my input(Due to it's background), because you make it seem like I was the only one who answered that. Did I miss anything in the survey? Because I believe I was quite tired when I filled that out. I also want to add that I define 'experience' as being involved. The first time I really saw what Fallout is was when I observed somone watching a video about Fallout 4 gameplay. I didn't count that as experience because if watching UA-cam videos is considered experience then I might qualify for a degree in theoretical physics.
I love these videos. I wish you'd have gotten more responses, but then again, that just means you'd have to sift through way more responses. 7:37 That was my answer. I almost forgot about this survey lol Who's the other 'English as a second language 2013 Fallout getting better over time enjoyer'?
Been playing fallout 4 with mods a lot lately but didn't change anything but the loot, survival, more NPCs, and better immersive gameplay. Also added lore accurate guns not those MW COD guns/gears lol
The thing about Fallout as a whole is that things are meant to be/feel clunky and unwieldy as per the whole 50s aesthetic in the newer ones and the sheer brutality in the older ones. So that translates to buildings, cars, guns, mutants, ideology and sometimes the people. I think 4 did the best when it comes to weapons in the sense that they captured that feel.....mostly.....@FEVRobert
@@Cody-r7rI get what you are saying but it also just doesn’t look appealing, they could’ve at least follow the rule of cool if they are going for unconventional and bulky look, the only thing I could think of that actually looks cool while keeping that “bulky 50s” look is power armour.
I played about an hour of Fallout 3 back in high school, but I would consider the first Fallout I really played to be 4. I have since gone back to 3, and like it a lot more than 4
I didn’t enjoy NV the first time I played it. I think it took like a year or more before I went back and tried again. I don’t think it’s the games fault. I have vague memories of barely engaging with any of the content before I got to the credits and decided the game was too short, or too easy or something to that effect. When I went back and tried that second time I made sure to speak to everyone and choose a side, investing myself more thoroughly in all the interactions. So glad I went back and tried that second run I’ve spent far too many hours playing NV by this point as a result.
These results are very interesting, a shame I missed it. It does make me a little sad knowing that we'll never get another isometric fallout game considering how people who prefer it are an absolute minority. Whenever I replay any of the modern games I always get this nagging feeling that id enjoy it 100x more if it was an isometric turn based game.
I find it hard to figure out what my "first fallout game" is. I played the demo for 1 and 2, when they came out. Loved the ideas and settings, hated the game play. When FO3 came out, my friend asked me if I played it, to which I said "Na, don't like turn based games" only to find out 3 was action rpg. So 3 is the first game I played through to completion, but 1 was the first one I tried. Also, with 76 several years old now, and going to be free on Amazon prime gaming this week, it'll be interesting to know how many try it for the first time (like myself) now that we don't have to buy a broken game.
I know the data is late, but I started with Fallout 3 on the 360 and had never heard of the series before that. I loved it. Got New Vegas when it came out. It's easily my favorite to go back to, but I bought my PS4 when they announced Fallout 4 and have well over 3000 hours played between PS4 and PC. It's a fun game. I own both isometric games. While fun stories, they are pretty unforgiving if you're not familiar with CRPGs from the time. I haven't been able to beat either. Yet. FNV is my favorite for the same reason everyone else loves it: Even though it is relatively small compared to Fallout 3 or 4's maps, it makes up for that with a much deeper story and more meaningful worldbuilding.
13:18 that nakes NO sense whatsoever. The main questline in Fallout 4 is a carbon copy of the one from Fallout New Vegas bjt somehow the latter is the most favorite and the former is the most hated. The structure is almost exactly the same - go to Las Vegas/Diamond City, chase Benny/Kellogg, go to the lucky 38/the Institute, find the Chip/Shaun, meet faction leaders, do faction quests, go into the climactic battle. It's almost exactly the same. So many people hate the McGuffin like search for Shaun but somehow the Platinum Chip is loved as a McGuffin. Even the Powder Gangers and the Nuka World Raiders are similar. You are forced to do basically the same things. To love one but hate the other makes absolutely no sense. I rank the main questline from worst to best like that: 6. FO76 LARGE GAP 5. FO3 4. FO1 3. FO2 LARGE GAP 2. FO4 1. FNV
the key difference is that fallout new vegas is well written, has extreme amounts of depth and massive amounts of actually meaningful side content that shapes the world around you, alongside multiple dlcs that explore various thematic elements from the main campaign in an isolated environment that helps to immerse the player and make them think. It also has an incredibly interesting world, amazing atmosphere, a superior perks system and more engrossing rpg elements that make you feel connected to your character, an interesting villain with solid motivations, and no generic voiced protagonist who nobody cares about. In contrast fallout 4 is a dungeon runner with a surface level, inconsistent, poorly written story with meaningless characters, no greater theme or narrative, poor atmosphere, meaningless sidequests and an intrusive and poorly thought out building minigame with decent at best dlcs. Besides all of that, go get revenge against the guy who shot you in the head by going to the most advanced city in the wasteland that is literally las vegas, is a much more interesting hook than go find that kid you dont care about by going to the rundown baseball stadium that looks like a junkyard. For me, Fallout 1 easily has the best questline, followed closely by New Vegas, then Fallout 2 and, after a large gap, fallout 4, followed by an even larger gap that leads to 76, with the worst being 3.
@@abcde6081 "no greater theme or narrative" - did you even play the game? Ever heard of the dilemma of what a human is? That's the main theme - the Rail Road thinks that Synths are people, the BoS thinks only humans are people, the Institute sees synths as machines - that's the main conflict. But what is the main theme of FNV? Is dictatorship/autocracy good or bad? - wow such a difficult question. I guess Caesar is not a mustache twirling evil monster at all...
@@Jkooowb bought it on launch, played through the whole thing, thought the story without the npcs was interesting and novel but missed the mark. I then replayed it after wastelanders came out only to be disappointed that they effectively ruined the original story just because a bunch of redditors thought that its impossible to tell a videogame story through voice recordings and reading through holotapes with the new story just being same old modern fallout with nothing new going on.
@@funki4896 Evidently you either haven't played New Vegas or you haven't sat down to think about it fully. There are merits to Caesar's ideology, even if they are from our modern perspective the evil faction. Caesar himself does not desire absolute power or to enslave the Mojave, he wants to create a synthesis between the war-like culture of his legion and the free republic of the NCR, he is a philosopher at heart even if his worldview is morally wrong. In addition the NCR are shown to be a corrupt bureaucracy in decline, riddled with lobbying and nepotism. The institute in comparison have no motivation or goals besides turning people into synths, making super mutants and making synthetic gorillas because science with the BoS just being a diet Enclave with no motivation other than "kill the mutants". There is nothing interesting about fallout 4s story or its characters. It reads to me like Emil Pagliarulo watched blade runner and decided he wanted to make something like that without actually understanding what makes blade runner's story so brilliant. As usual with Emil, who is unable to come up with an original story, this same question has been asked multiple times in fallout, specifically 1 and 2, and it was actually a well written story, but I'm assuming you haven't actually played those games. Regardless this conversation has been done to death multiple times over and anyone who knows the first thing about writing can tell you that fallout 3, 4, starfield, skyrim and everything Pagliarulo has written is terrible. The fact is, when a game is written by good writers with experience, it is likely to be well written. In contrast when a game is written by a level designer with no experience who believes that "dragons" is a valid theme, it will not be. Tim Cain and Mark Green, the main writers for fallout 1, had multiple years of experience writing, with Mark Green having a degree in behavioural science. Fallout 2 was written by a group of experienced writers headed by Chris Avellone, who is nowadays well known for his writing prowess and at the time of Fallout 2 had years of experience writing rpgs, ttrpgs and comic books. With Fallout New Vegas Chris Avellone and various other Fallout 2 writers returned, joined by Josh Sawyer who, you guessed it, had multiple years of experience writing rpgs and minored in theatre and who is now well known for his writing prowess. In contrast, Emil Pagliarulo is a level designer who became lead writer because he was buddy buddy with Todd Howard, who is now well known for not being able to write, with the only other writer Bethesda hired to work on Starfield mysteriously leaving the company as soon as the game was released.
So much variety yet also so many trends. A fairly balanced survey with some amazing results. This really shows just how varied yet also united the fanbase is.
It's weird hearing people talk about the more serious tone of Fallout 1 and 2 and how Bethesda made it more goofy (and that's not entirely wrong) but one of the things that stopped me from beating 2 initially compared to 1 was the god awful pop culture references that completely sucked me out of the otherwise pretty good atmosphere the game had going for it. Have never really gotten the same level of whiplash when hearing Codsworth tell me a joke that just happens to reference another game or Yuri Lowenthal screaming "WHO WON THE LOTTERY?! I DID!!!"
IMO Bethesda ruined Fallout with two things: synths and too much eldritch hooey. Synths are the single worst addition made to any established sci-fi property ever. They change the focus of the setting from dealing with the aftermath of an apocalypse into dealing with the paranoia of body snatchers. Fallout had hints of mystical stuff in the pre-Bethesda games but it was so small that it could be explained as 1) hallucinations (primarily from drugs) and 2) misunderstanding the situation as presented. Now they might as well just tell us that some future Elder Scrolls game will center around opening a rift into another reality and end that game with someone flying a dragon through a rift and start the next (prequel) Fallout with top brass at the military misidentifying the dragon as a Chinese mega-zord and nuking china in response, thus retconing and uniting the husk of a once decent franchise into their blob.
I think you're being overly dramatic when you call synths "the worst addition to any sci-fi property ever". You're welcome to hate the synths all you want, but they're definitely not worse than the worst lore additions to sci-fi franchises like Dune, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Mass Effect, Alien, Terminator and probably many more if we were to ask some sci-fi geeks. And Fallout 1 and 2 literally had telepaths, even in the form of animals and plants. It had psykers and literal ghosts. And it happens not due to the player character taking too many drugs or somehow being tricked - it's entirely canon. Two of them are major unavoidable main quest characters (Master and Hakunin). At least Bethesda always keeps their magical stuff separate from the main story or major quests (the only exception I can think of is that "magician"-ghoul from Nuka-World, although that guy may actually be using some magic tricks).
@@youarealwayscorrect it's the worst ever because it fundamentally changed the point of the setting. What other addition to any property has ever done such wide ranging damage to the fundamental reason for the success of the property? After synths are introduced there is always going to be a reason to consider every single character a potential synth. It changes the substrate of interaction from "do I cooperate or dominate my way to survival" to "is this person a person or a simulacrum, if it's a simulacrum how could I ever trust it... blah blah blah." The setting is no longer about the struggle of mankind to rekindle civilization and it is now a cheap knockoff of every other paranoid body snatcher scifi horror, now with clumsy bigotry analogies and poorly thought out threat models. Telepaths have often been part of sci fi and does not fit in the eldritch hooey category. Just because something is unexplained does not make it an appeal to mysticism. Even precognition can be somewhat plausible depending on the details. IMO both the deathclaw and the wanamingo stories from FO1 and FO2 were pretty good examples of just because the characters in the story have an interpretation that seems out there doesn't mean that it's actually mystical. This same mistaken understanding model applies to the player also. Hakunin: in the game you are given the option of telling him he has done too many drugs. If you are talking about the dream sequences or whatever you want to call them, I'm basically 100% a materialist in terms of what I think reality is, but I have had dreams that "highlight" unfinished tasks before. Seems like a normal functioning brain bringing important things forward. Master: I don't know what you are trying to reference the master. That he created a religion? Having a religion isn't the issue, it's treating it as if the religion actually changes what the nature of the reality is. In my opinion the first element of eldritch hooey that ended up in Fallout was in the FO2 quest "Return Anna's locket" and think I've seen at least one video where Tim Cain said he wished that didn't end up in the game. It was the only thing I categorize as having no material basis for being in the game, and if they hadn't gone full hooey in 3/(tiny bit in NV)/4/76 it could've been ignored/explained somehow the quality of the lore would be better IMO.
@@mythrail I disagree regarding synths changing the fundamentals of the setting, but whatever. It's just a local peculiarity of the Commonwealth region, not something gamechaning for the entire franchise. I'm pretty sure that synths will never play a significant role in this franchise ever again. Best case scenario is that we'll get some minor cameos and mentions, but that's it. At least it's not on the level of something like Star Wars, Terminator or Alien - completely destroying the established main characters, whose original arcs were basically showcasing the main ideas and messages of the franchise. Or Battlestar Galactica introducing a literal GOD in the very final episode in order to solve all of humanity's problems in an instant. Or Mass Effect introducing the Star Child, Kett or synthethis, which only majorly hurt the entire past, present and future lore of the franchise. Or countless Alien and Dune sequels... simply just existing. And eldritch horror can also perfectly apply to sci-fi. The fear of the unknown corresponds very well with the fear of the dark future. It's definitely much more fitting than generic fantasy-esque "spooky ghost want its' amulet back" or "cartoonish magical shaman talks to you in your dream" from fallout 2. And Master and Hakunin are canonically telepaths. Sorry, but denying that is purely a headcannon. Hakunin uses drugs to enhance his powers. And Master can even influence other beings from afar and destroy someone's mind with his immense magical powers, like he did with cultists in Mariposa or during his fight with the player character.
@@youarealwayscorrect I never said eldritch horror was bad or that it wasn't sci fi. Eldritch horror was not part of the original fallout setting, it was added, and it made the setting more gimmicky and less interesting. I'm not arguing whether or not these things are sci fi, I am arguing that they made the Fallout universe less specific. Lower resolution, less recognizable, less distinct flavor, less reason to think of them as related. The newer Fallouts are clearly set in a different world with a different aesthetic and rules to the reality than the first two (and possibly NV). These additions literally broke the _setting_ not just told a boring story or had a poorly motivated character. Side note: 2000s BSG had god(s) from well before the final episode, I think it was even in the initial mini series, there was just no reason to treat it as anything other than delusion before the final episode. 1.) I don't think telepathy is exclusively a mystical concept. There are ways in which it could be explained as a technology or evolved feature, or exposure to the FEV virus or some other thing. 2.) I don't think every presumed example of telepathy even in a world where it exists has to be actual telepathy, it could still be dreams, hallucinations, or trickery. 3.) Telepathy was never my issue. I don't know why you are stuck in this rut.
After 3 i bought new vegas and was so disappointed. It took years before i realized i just dont like the setting. Dont know why, its a good game, i just hate the setting. I feel like such a hater every time i think about it because its not even a valid complaint, its a good game, it is, i just dont like it- the definition of hating if ever there was one 😂
My first fallout game was fallout 3 in 2013 or 2014. I wouldve been 7 at the time i didnt want to play it and thought it looked too scary but my brother (the one trying to get me to play it in the first place) told me you could get a minecraft diamond sword and a pet minecraft slime. I believed him and finally played it. By the time i realized he was lying i didnt care because i loved it so much.
My first Fallout was FO4 🥴 I've played a bit of NV, wasn't a fan of Sepia tone, so never made it too far past the doctor's house(?) I actually pre-ordered F76, played for at least a year with an IRL friend, then couldn't take it anymore. I play Fallout 4 with mods sometimes. Not heavily modded, but QoL stuff & modern weapons/clothes. I still think it's an amazing game, with plenty of bugs/features(?), and I'll play it until Fallout 5 ruins my opinion of the franchise (just a guess!)
My first Fallout game was Fallout 4, it was and I still think it is, very fun and enjoyable, then I played 76 and I actually loved it at launch, and still consider it as my favorite game in the series, then I played New Vegas and Fallout 3, and I think they are an ok game, but nothing special, with the worst of the two being Fallout 3, the lore of NV really boosts it a lot for me, I also tried to play 1 and 2 but I can't stand the gameplay, they are just so annoying
Its hard to feel any hope for this franschise when Bethesda cant even release a next gen version of FO4 without making us wait for years, at this rate FO5 will be out in 2035 at the earliest.
this is some cool stuff, sucks i missed out but i would definitely reccomend doing it again later on into the fallout show being out for longer. great vid and survey though man.
On the note of the results being biased because your fanbase is likely more drawn to NV, here's a thought experiment that could be done: how many content creators are there in YT, and other platforms, that are focused more on 3, 4, 76, Shelter, and the classics? It would probably be difficult to establish that these people and their audiences have a preference towards those games, but that's something that would be interesting to observe. I don't think this would be representative of popularity for each game, because people are drawn to these specific games for different reasons, a FO Shelter player may simply not care to watch videos about Fallout lore, for example, but I still think it would be interesting to know these things.
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Do you think you could change the form from allowing multiple responses to letting us edit our responses?
I Definetly am going to leave an extended response.
I wasn't a part of your survey, but I was exposed to Fallout 3 first, and though I played that game and I beat it, it wasn't anything to write home about in my eyes, it was just me you know another Bethesda game who cares, then I tried new vegas, well here's the issue with new vegas, I could not get into it, it just wasn't compelling to me, and it's really weird seeing comments nowadays of people praising that game for being so damn amazing, but I just couldn't get into it myself, and I thought to myself why the hell do I not like this game, then Fallout 4 came out and I fucking love that game, here's the thing though I'm also a Elder Scrolls player but more specifically I'm a Skyrim player, I have over 10,000 hours in Skyrim alone, that's quite a bit of fucking hours of my life being put in one fucking game, in fact I didn't play Fallout 4 up until a year and a half ago, yes I waited that long in order to play Fallout 4, now I will admit there are some issues that Bethesda just left in there that have ultimately soured some of that experience, but with mods and fixes and shit like that found all over the internet, I have been able to play some stable playthroughs, and I've been able to significantly improve my experience in the game, now I still struggle with the downtown Boston area of that game and that's always dog shit to me, Bethesda let's just say they are terrible at optimization and they always think so big on something and yet they don't think of how it's going to work for the hardware that they are recommending for the game, my PC is slightly above their recommendations to play the game and I still struggle with performance issues in that damn game, but here's the thing outside of all the other issues that Bethesda games in general have when it comes performance and bugs and other issues like that, those issues suck yes but besides all that nonsense, I really do love the story I love the gameplay loop, I love the freedom it has and the choices that I can make, now as I said before I couldn't get in the new vegas, it was just too lackluster for me to get into, and I felt the same way about Fallout 3 and I finished that game, I think at the time I was just desperate and I didn't have any other good games and that's why I finished it, with New Vegas I think I had better games as the result at the time and I just played those over playing new vegas, eventually I gave my 360 away to my nephew and never did play that game, oh well.
Now I have a pc, and I did buy some older Bethesda games, but I have found they are much more problems than they are worth, I mean I can mod my Fallout 4 okay, but going to the far older games, the file structure in the way the mods are set up are way different in comparison, I tried to play Morrowind and that game is a pain in the ass to mod in comparison, not to mention I'm a controller player, you can't comfortably play uncontroller on that old ass game, cuz it didn't have the built-in controller support like the modern Fallout 4 does or Skyrim does, this is where PC gaming suddenly became a good thing when they started allowing controllers to fucking work and not like a mixed bag of broken software that may or may not work for your controller, it actually fucking works that'll be the new Todd Howard saying when they fix their broken engine LOL.
Anyway I've made this post long enough, good day to you sirs.
I got Fallout New Vegas when I was 10 years old thinking that it was a zombie game. I'm so happy I was wrong.
I got Fallout 1 when I was 11. And hated everything Bethesda did.
I got fo3 when I was 11 I remembered seeing and oxhorn video on little lamp light luckily I don't have obsidian plague and can say that fo3 and fo4 are good games not as good as vegas but good
@@The-Red-Menace obsidian plague is when your blind to the fact that more than new vegas and 2 the others are good those infected will usually hate Bethesda
Fascinating results, I am eager to see what peoples own wanted games will be
I think another thing to note is the audience you poll. No criticism here and although I do believe this channels audience is a lot more moderate, I think for the style of videos you make it tends to attract those that tend to prefer NV (Myself included). I wonder what the poll would look like if so the same questions were asked on some of the FO subreddits, or other youtubers who tend to show a lot of praise towards 3 or 4.
Some thoughts on the poll in general it's mostly what I expected but there were some notable things I did not expect. Namely favorite Wasteland. I thought Appalachia would steamroll there due to the diverse landscape, and unique locals, mixed with some great music. Likewise I was surprised at the story opinion of 76 as it was one of the better parts of the game along with its map even at launch. In general the poll was hard for me as I can't deny I love the gameplay of FO4/76 as well as the story building I can do with settlements, but I can't deny my love of NV's story so I found myself conflicted there.
Good polling though.
Interesting thoughts but on reddit is pretty echo chamber heavy so its gonna still heavily scew towards fnv and alot of hatred for 76/3. Grain of salt if a survey is done.
People just vote negatively on anything 76 without giving it a second thought, 76 og no-npc's story is very good for me too and the map is probably the best of the series althought I still favor the Capital Wasteland. What is clear is that the Mojave is clearly not the one, but people vote everything that says New Vegas blindly.
yeah new vegas pretty much has the worst wastland imo. just so empty, no color, invisible walls everywhere.
@@Hyperiumon Sounds like a good subreddit then lol
Is it also just me, or is most people's opinion about 76 is mainly influenced by how bethesda handled it instead of being judged for the lore in a lot of lore posts? I find that FO76 has some of the best lore in the east coast
This is exactly how it is.
Even the main "lore problem" that they have is the original Appalachian chapter of BoS. And that issue was already addressed on how they formed and lost communication with Lost Hills. Heck, the game even explained how the modern tech hoarding Brotherhood of Steel evolved from US army deserters.
@@tinaherr3856 hell, the appalachian brotherhood makes more sense because of the pre war communication network being temporarily operational after the war. Its a miracle the Lyon's brotherhood made it to DC. If 76 came out before fallout 3, Lyon's would probably be an offshoot from the Appalachian branch. Still, 76's main storied with scorched 8/10, wastelanders i can't say as I haven't completed it yet.
It has some of the best side quests (mistress of mystery,) and great use of local history/culture for factions (Free States)
76 is a decent game for whats there, the end game is just repetitive and that’s why i don’t play anymore. That’s really a me issue
@@ded2thaworld963 End game is the same as fallout 4 really. Fallout doesnt translate well into a mmorpg.
There I am Gary, there I am! Grognard and proud! But I think this survey was released sometime after you took a break, I could be misremembering things, so I can only assume that is why there is a low sample size. Some subscribers must have not got a notification.
i like how u make surveys, very concise
Fallout 3 was my first and it was my favorite. My family got New Vegas and for a variety of reasons I didn’t really like New Vegas. So I just played 3. But eventually next gen came out and I didn’t really keep the last gen consoles with I got the new ones. Selling them to get a bit of money back to offset the cost of the new consoles even just a little felt like the smart thing to do. But as most of us know Backwards compatibility was not a thing yet and this marked the end of my fallout journey. Until Fallout 4. I fell in love with 4 when I got It for Christmas and played it religiously and it quickly became my favorite. Then mods came out and that just made me love it even more. But as Fallout 4 is lets be real, built like shot I eventually grew out of favor from a mox of just being bored or mods even small one would conflict the hell out of each other which caused a lot of having to make a new game. But that was a while ago and now I don’t go crazy with mods and the way they did power are and the fact the T-60 is my all time favorite power Armor I still play it constantly. But I do have some issues or more like nitpicking and personally preferences. But Ill talk more on that in just a sec. Eventually Xbox added Backwards compatibility and the very first thing I did was pick up Fallout 3 and quickly realized why it was my favorite. Booting 4 to second place. Maybe it was because it was my first but I have a better time playing through 3. I like the characters more, the weapons, the location etc… But now because of BC I finally decided to get New Vegas but this time all the reasons that kept me from enjoying it were by this point gone and I was finally able to do a proper full play through of NV, DLC and all and I realized what I was missing. I adored Fallout New Vegas. I loved everything about it and I love the NCR drip. But at this point I still didn’t know where to fully place it. This wouldn’t come until early 2022 that after talking with some friends I would fully do a back to back between Fallout 3 and New Vegas to finally settle it. I love both but this is where NV took the title of my favorite. Towards the end of my 3 play through I was getting burned out and quickly losing interest. I of course did all the DLC but what started to annoy me is how 3 DLC really loves the gimmick of taking your weapons away and of course anchorage is well anchorage and towards the end I really wanted to leave. I didn’t even do Mothership Zeta because by this point I had enough. And ended my play through. I still loved 3 and I was playing it on the grounds it was my favorite currently. Instead of taking a break I jumped into NV the next morning and did absolutely everything just like 3 but unlike 3 I didn’t get burned out. Everything was better especially the DLC I really loved the NCR as always I explored everywhere and unlike Fallout 3 I was not feeling burnt out. I was wide eyed and bushy tails from beginning to end proving to myself that NV is better and is now my favorite Fallout. Still love 3 and it is second place with 4 still in 3rd for 3 I just have to take breaks. 76 hated it when it came out and never touched it again but I will finally in just a little bit just got to get myself in the headspace. One thing I came to realize is that I think the older graphics on 3 and NV have a certain charm to them that the new ones don’t. They just make the world feel more apocalyptic. Like Im thinking and I know its stupid and nobody would probably like this Idea but I kinda want 5 to purposefully go back to the graphics of 3 and NV. I actually want them to go backwards. It’s just 3 and NV have a certain feeling 4 doesn’t. But Ive already written a book so I’ll leave it here.
Totally forgot to fill out the survey this time.
Started with 3, then NV which has shown me how modern Fallout should be done (and is still my favorite). Over time, especially after 4, I got more and more annoyed by Bethesda Fallout and then got into 1 & 2. Now a big fan of classic Fallout (partly thanks to F2 total conversion mods) and while I do love NV I think F2 is superior in terms of gameplay (yes I love the isometric style).
Edit: Wait, these are the results of the survey at the end of last year? totally forgot about that, but I did take part.
The new one is a new survey about our dream Fallout game... well, reading does help ^^
Honestly, I'd assume that a sudden spike in people deciding they didn't like Fallout 3 anymore may or may not be due to being told how to think by a certain youtuber with millions of subscribers.
If a particular clickbait-titled Fallout 3 video from a video essayist that gained a lot of traction was never released, I'd be curious to see how many people from the fanbase still viewed Fallout 3 as a good game.
Just a curious little thing to consider.
Actually it's because it's the only game I can't even get to run on modern hardware without needing to own New Vegas (thank you Tale of Two Wastelands for fixing the issue by running it through the better New Vegas engine) plus while the other main titles of 1, 2 and 4 all have some unique things that grab my attention, Fallout 3 just feels like an inferior version of New Vegas after awhile. That's why it's my least favorite
I often wonder the same. I think nowadays the general audience has tended to turn around and look with more favor on 3 and even 4 in some cases, also in part due to some other video essays on UA-cam, but I often find them to be much quieter and less vocal nowadays, and often in different communities like some subreddits.
@@ellagage1256 Unless you have it on steam, all you gotta do to get Fallout 3 running is download like, two files.
@@ellagage1256actu-ACKKK
It actually due to not aging well, its honestly one of those “great games that actually sucks” and is a pain in the ass to pkay when going back to it, plus its also got a “ticking time bomb” problem, in which play it to long it auto crashes infinitely, with no solution other than patching. In fact, that last bit wasnt solved until bethesda discovered the error during skyrims development.
It had very few side quests. No reason to explode any of its dungeons, in fact, most people used a guide to visit places with x or y bobblehead or skill book rather than any reason to find the dungeon on there own. The sky was always a sickly green for no reason(even nuclear fallout would make no sense), little lamplight was a horrible thing to put up with. Your character even was more in line with a gary stu/mary sue with how rapidly everyone automatically trusts you and even the brotherhood of steel give you instant power armor training on first arrival.
And none of the story or locations make any sense. It was fun at first to screw around and blow up a million bottlecap mines on tenpenny for example, or wipe out megaton without the nuke on a random save but, its just not a game that aged well :/. Its just dull. In fact i rate it lower than fallout 4 which i felt was also annoyingly meh.(below starfield even which i enjoy a lot, but ill admit its anything but a perfect game, both fallout 3 and 4 are actually very very mediocre sadly once you think about it, hell, radiants in fallout 4 gave more exp overall for example than actual quests simply due to being repeatable, whereas starfield actual faction questlines actually provide a lot of exp and can be replayed in new game plus).
My answer mentioned in the video, life is better now.
10:38 I feel like this one adressed to my input(Due to it's background), because you make it seem like I was the only one who answered that. Did I miss anything in the survey? Because I believe I was quite tired when I filled that out. I also want to add that I define 'experience' as being involved. The first time I really saw what Fallout is was when I observed somone watching a video about Fallout 4 gameplay. I didn't count that as experience because if watching UA-cam videos is considered experience then I might qualify for a degree in theoretical physics.
I love these videos. I wish you'd have gotten more responses, but then again, that just means you'd have to sift through way more responses.
7:37 That was my answer. I almost forgot about this survey lol
Who's the other 'English as a second language 2013 Fallout getting better over time enjoyer'?
Been playing fallout 4 with mods a lot lately but didn't change anything but the loot, survival, more NPCs, and better immersive gameplay. Also added lore accurate guns not those MW COD guns/gears lol
The thing about Fallout as a whole is that things are meant to be/feel clunky and unwieldy as per the whole 50s aesthetic in the newer ones and the sheer brutality in the older ones. So that translates to buildings, cars, guns, mutants, ideology and sometimes the people. I think 4 did the best when it comes to weapons in the sense that they captured that feel.....mostly.....@FEVRobert
@@Cody-r7rI get what you are saying but it also just doesn’t look appealing, they could’ve at least follow the rule of cool if they are going for unconventional and bulky look, the only thing I could think of that actually looks cool while keeping that “bulky 50s” look is power armour.
@@Anzyn not really supposed to look cool
Wait I thought last survey was you asking us about dream fallout game? Did I took wrong survey? ;(
I played about an hour of Fallout 3 back in high school, but I would consider the first Fallout I really played to be 4. I have since gone back to 3, and like it a lot more than 4
Dang I missed the survey. Tactics was my first Fallout game.
Fallout 1 in the 90s was Mine
I didn’t enjoy NV the first time I played it. I think it took like a year or more before I went back and tried again. I don’t think it’s the games fault. I have vague memories of barely engaging with any of the content before I got to the credits and decided the game was too short, or too easy or something to that effect. When I went back and tried that second time I made sure to speak to everyone and choose a side, investing myself more thoroughly in all the interactions. So glad I went back and tried that second run I’ve spent far too many hours playing NV by this point as a result.
I actually started playing fallout 3 before I could read so that helped me learn to read trying to figure out quest objectives and stuff lol
These results are very interesting, a shame I missed it. It does make me a little sad knowing that we'll never get another isometric fallout game considering how people who prefer it are an absolute minority. Whenever I replay any of the modern games I always get this nagging feeling that id enjoy it 100x more if it was an isometric turn based game.
I find it hard to figure out what my "first fallout game" is. I played the demo for 1 and 2, when they came out. Loved the ideas and settings, hated the game play. When FO3 came out, my friend asked me if I played it, to which I said "Na, don't like turn based games" only to find out 3 was action rpg. So 3 is the first game I played through to completion, but 1 was the first one I tried.
Also, with 76 several years old now, and going to be free on Amazon prime gaming this week, it'll be interesting to know how many try it for the first time (like myself) now that we don't have to buy a broken game.
I might have done the wrong survey. 😐
For some reason, you videos are not on my notifications so I missed your survey.
Fun fact Fallout Tactics is semi canon.
THERE IS NO DIVERGENCE!
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I know the data is late, but I started with Fallout 3 on the 360 and had never heard of the series before that. I loved it. Got New Vegas when it came out. It's easily my favorite to go back to, but I bought my PS4 when they announced Fallout 4 and have well over 3000 hours played between PS4 and PC. It's a fun game. I own both isometric games. While fun stories, they are pretty unforgiving if you're not familiar with CRPGs from the time. I haven't been able to beat either. Yet.
FNV is my favorite for the same reason everyone else loves it: Even though it is relatively small compared to Fallout 3 or 4's maps, it makes up for that with a much deeper story and more meaningful worldbuilding.
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Live service model slop needs to be kept far away from Fallout and Elder Scrolls.
This video was pretty boring, but I love the fact that it exists, because it does wonders to dissuade faulty generalizations.
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13:18 that nakes NO sense whatsoever. The main questline in Fallout 4 is a carbon copy of the one from Fallout New Vegas bjt somehow the latter is the most favorite and the former is the most hated. The structure is almost exactly the same - go to Las Vegas/Diamond City, chase Benny/Kellogg, go to the lucky 38/the Institute, find the Chip/Shaun, meet faction leaders, do faction quests, go into the climactic battle. It's almost exactly the same. So many people hate the McGuffin like search for Shaun but somehow the Platinum Chip is loved as a McGuffin. Even the Powder Gangers and the Nuka World Raiders are similar. You are forced to do basically the same things. To love one but hate the other makes absolutely no sense. I rank the main questline from worst to best like that:
6. FO76
LARGE GAP
5. FO3
4. FO1
3. FO2
LARGE GAP
2. FO4
1. FNV
the key difference is that fallout new vegas is well written, has extreme amounts of depth and massive amounts of actually meaningful side content that shapes the world around you, alongside multiple dlcs that explore various thematic elements from the main campaign in an isolated environment that helps to immerse the player and make them think. It also has an incredibly interesting world, amazing atmosphere, a superior perks system and more engrossing rpg elements that make you feel connected to your character, an interesting villain with solid motivations, and no generic voiced protagonist who nobody cares about. In contrast fallout 4 is a dungeon runner with a surface level, inconsistent, poorly written story with meaningless characters, no greater theme or narrative, poor atmosphere, meaningless sidequests and an intrusive and poorly thought out building minigame with decent at best dlcs. Besides all of that, go get revenge against the guy who shot you in the head by going to the most advanced city in the wasteland that is literally las vegas, is a much more interesting hook than go find that kid you dont care about by going to the rundown baseball stadium that looks like a junkyard. For me, Fallout 1 easily has the best questline, followed closely by New Vegas, then Fallout 2 and, after a large gap, fallout 4, followed by an even larger gap that leads to 76, with the worst being 3.
Have you actually played fo76's story or are you just dogpiling for the the fact it launched in a bad state and Reddit tells you to dislike it? 🤔
@@abcde6081 "no greater theme or narrative" - did you even play the game? Ever heard of the dilemma of what a human is? That's the main theme - the Rail Road thinks that Synths are people, the BoS thinks only humans are people, the Institute sees synths as machines - that's the main conflict. But what is the main theme of FNV? Is dictatorship/autocracy good or bad? - wow such a difficult question. I guess Caesar is not a mustache twirling evil monster at all...
@@Jkooowb bought it on launch, played through the whole thing, thought the story without the npcs was interesting and novel but missed the mark. I then replayed it after wastelanders came out only to be disappointed that they effectively ruined the original story just because a bunch of redditors thought that its impossible to tell a videogame story through voice recordings and reading through holotapes with the new story just being same old modern fallout with nothing new going on.
@@funki4896 Evidently you either haven't played New Vegas or you haven't sat down to think about it fully. There are merits to Caesar's ideology, even if they are from our modern perspective the evil faction. Caesar himself does not desire absolute power or to enslave the Mojave, he wants to create a synthesis between the war-like culture of his legion and the free republic of the NCR, he is a philosopher at heart even if his worldview is morally wrong. In addition the NCR are shown to be a corrupt bureaucracy in decline, riddled with lobbying and nepotism. The institute in comparison have no motivation or goals besides turning people into synths, making super mutants and making synthetic gorillas because science with the BoS just being a diet Enclave with no motivation other than "kill the mutants". There is nothing interesting about fallout 4s story or its characters. It reads to me like Emil Pagliarulo watched blade runner and decided he wanted to make something like that without actually understanding what makes blade runner's story so brilliant. As usual with Emil, who is unable to come up with an original story, this same question has been asked multiple times in fallout, specifically 1 and 2, and it was actually a well written story, but I'm assuming you haven't actually played those games. Regardless this conversation has been done to death multiple times over and anyone who knows the first thing about writing can tell you that fallout 3, 4, starfield, skyrim and everything Pagliarulo has written is terrible. The fact is, when a game is written by good writers with experience, it is likely to be well written. In contrast when a game is written by a level designer with no experience who believes that "dragons" is a valid theme, it will not be.
Tim Cain and Mark Green, the main writers for fallout 1, had multiple years of experience writing, with Mark Green having a degree in behavioural science. Fallout 2 was written by a group of experienced writers headed by Chris Avellone, who is nowadays well known for his writing prowess and at the time of Fallout 2 had years of experience writing rpgs, ttrpgs and comic books. With Fallout New Vegas Chris Avellone and various other Fallout 2 writers returned, joined by Josh Sawyer who, you guessed it, had multiple years of experience writing rpgs and minored in theatre and who is now well known for his writing prowess.
In contrast, Emil Pagliarulo is a level designer who became lead writer because he was buddy buddy with Todd Howard, who is now well known for not being able to write, with the only other writer Bethesda hired to work on Starfield mysteriously leaving the company as soon as the game was released.
Why are you still making videos when you have so few views
Damn didn't realize there was a minimum viewer count to post videos online 😮
Don't be an ass
Pretty pathetic comment
You have 0 subs, why are you still commenting?
So much variety yet also so many trends. A fairly balanced survey with some amazing results. This really shows just how varied yet also united the fanbase is.
It's weird hearing people talk about the more serious tone of Fallout 1 and 2 and how Bethesda made it more goofy (and that's not entirely wrong) but one of the things that stopped me from beating 2 initially compared to 1 was the god awful pop culture references that completely sucked me out of the otherwise pretty good atmosphere the game had going for it.
Have never really gotten the same level of whiplash when hearing Codsworth tell me a joke that just happens to reference another game or Yuri Lowenthal screaming "WHO WON THE LOTTERY?! I DID!!!"
Yeah, especially when Fallout 2 has multiple fourth wall breaks by various NPCs
Codsworth is literally the most annoying character that has ever been created. Fuck codsworth
Just filled out the survey for ideal game! The questions you ask are very concise and perfect for surveys
Hold up, where was this survey?? I can only find the dream game one.
Long time ago i think, well over a year or two
IMO Bethesda ruined Fallout with two things: synths and too much eldritch hooey. Synths are the single worst addition made to any established sci-fi property ever.
They change the focus of the setting from dealing with the aftermath of an apocalypse into dealing with the paranoia of body snatchers.
Fallout had hints of mystical stuff in the pre-Bethesda games but it was so small that it could be explained as 1) hallucinations (primarily from drugs) and 2) misunderstanding the situation as presented.
Now they might as well just tell us that some future Elder Scrolls game will center around opening a rift into another reality and end that game with someone flying a dragon through a rift and start the next (prequel) Fallout with top brass at the military misidentifying the dragon as a Chinese mega-zord and nuking china in response, thus retconing and uniting the husk of a once decent franchise into their blob.
I think you're being overly dramatic when you call synths "the worst addition to any sci-fi property ever". You're welcome to hate the synths all you want, but they're definitely not worse than the worst lore additions to sci-fi franchises like Dune, Star Wars, Battlestar Galactica, Mass Effect, Alien, Terminator and probably many more if we were to ask some sci-fi geeks.
And Fallout 1 and 2 literally had telepaths, even in the form of animals and plants. It had psykers and literal ghosts. And it happens not due to the player character taking too many drugs or somehow being tricked - it's entirely canon. Two of them are major unavoidable main quest characters (Master and Hakunin).
At least Bethesda always keeps their magical stuff separate from the main story or major quests (the only exception I can think of is that "magician"-ghoul from Nuka-World, although that guy may actually be using some magic tricks).
@@youarealwayscorrect it's the worst ever because it fundamentally changed the point of the setting. What other addition to any property has ever done such wide ranging damage to the fundamental reason for the success of the property? After synths are introduced there is always going to be a reason to consider every single character a potential synth. It changes the substrate of interaction from "do I cooperate or dominate my way to survival" to "is this person a person or a simulacrum, if it's a simulacrum how could I ever trust it... blah blah blah."
The setting is no longer about the struggle of mankind to rekindle civilization and it is now a cheap knockoff of every other paranoid body snatcher scifi horror, now with clumsy bigotry analogies and poorly thought out threat models.
Telepaths have often been part of sci fi and does not fit in the eldritch hooey category. Just because something is unexplained does not make it an appeal to mysticism. Even precognition can be somewhat plausible depending on the details.
IMO both the deathclaw and the wanamingo stories from FO1 and FO2 were pretty good examples of just because the characters in the story have an interpretation that seems out there doesn't mean that it's actually mystical. This same mistaken understanding model applies to the player also.
Hakunin: in the game you are given the option of telling him he has done too many drugs.
If you are talking about the dream sequences or whatever you want to call them, I'm basically 100% a materialist in terms of what I think reality is, but I have had dreams that "highlight" unfinished tasks before. Seems like a normal functioning brain bringing important things forward.
Master: I don't know what you are trying to reference the master. That he created a religion? Having a religion isn't the issue, it's treating it as if the religion actually changes what the nature of the reality is.
In my opinion the first element of eldritch hooey that ended up in Fallout was in the FO2 quest "Return Anna's locket" and think I've seen at least one video where Tim Cain said he wished that didn't end up in the game. It was the only thing I categorize as having no material basis for being in the game, and if they hadn't gone full hooey in 3/(tiny bit in NV)/4/76 it could've been ignored/explained somehow the quality of the lore would be better IMO.
The video that mentions the ghost thing: ua-cam.com/video/waUjJ2VjvaE/v-deo.html
@@mythrail I disagree regarding synths changing the fundamentals of the setting, but whatever. It's just a local peculiarity of the Commonwealth region, not something gamechaning for the entire franchise. I'm pretty sure that synths will never play a significant role in this franchise ever again. Best case scenario is that we'll get some minor cameos and mentions, but that's it.
At least it's not on the level of something like Star Wars, Terminator or Alien - completely destroying the established main characters, whose original arcs were basically showcasing the main ideas and messages of the franchise. Or Battlestar Galactica introducing a literal GOD in the very final episode in order to solve all of humanity's problems in an instant. Or Mass Effect introducing the Star Child, Kett or synthethis, which only majorly hurt the entire past, present and future lore of the franchise. Or countless Alien and Dune sequels... simply just existing.
And eldritch horror can also perfectly apply to sci-fi. The fear of the unknown corresponds very well with the fear of the dark future. It's definitely much more fitting than generic fantasy-esque "spooky ghost want its' amulet back" or "cartoonish magical shaman talks to you in your dream" from fallout 2.
And Master and Hakunin are canonically telepaths. Sorry, but denying that is purely a headcannon. Hakunin uses drugs to enhance his powers. And Master can even influence other beings from afar and destroy someone's mind with his immense magical powers, like he did with cultists in Mariposa or during his fight with the player character.
@@youarealwayscorrect I never said eldritch horror was bad or that it wasn't sci fi. Eldritch horror was not part of the original fallout setting, it was added, and it made the setting more gimmicky and less interesting. I'm not arguing whether or not these things are sci fi, I am arguing that they made the Fallout universe less specific. Lower resolution, less recognizable, less distinct flavor, less reason to think of them as related. The newer Fallouts are clearly set in a different world with a different aesthetic and rules to the reality than the first two (and possibly NV). These additions literally broke the _setting_ not just told a boring story or had a poorly motivated character.
Side note: 2000s BSG had god(s) from well before the final episode, I think it was even in the initial mini series, there was just no reason to treat it as anything other than delusion before the final episode.
1.) I don't think telepathy is exclusively a mystical concept. There are ways in which it could be explained as a technology or evolved feature, or exposure to the FEV virus or some other thing.
2.) I don't think every presumed example of telepathy even in a world where it exists has to be actual telepathy, it could still be dreams, hallucinations, or trickery.
3.) Telepathy was never my issue. I don't know why you are stuck in this rut.
After 3 i bought new vegas and was so disappointed. It took years before i realized i just dont like the setting. Dont know why, its a good game, i just hate the setting. I feel like such a hater every time i think about it because its not even a valid complaint, its a good game, it is, i just dont like it- the definition of hating if ever there was one 😂
My first fallout game was fallout 3 in 2013 or 2014. I wouldve been 7 at the time i didnt want to play it and thought it looked too scary but my brother (the one trying to get me to play it in the first place) told me you could get a minecraft diamond sword and a pet minecraft slime. I believed him and finally played it. By the time i realized he was lying i didnt care because i loved it so much.
Falloutb1 2 and vegas screw the rest story wise
My friend, you need to somehow advertise these surveys more, like reminders, or more posts.
Good video I will respond to this survey .
My first Fallout was FO4 🥴 I've played a bit of NV, wasn't a fan of Sepia tone, so never made it too far past the doctor's house(?) I actually pre-ordered F76, played for at least a year with an IRL friend, then couldn't take it anymore.
I play Fallout 4 with mods sometimes. Not heavily modded, but QoL stuff & modern weapons/clothes. I still think it's an amazing game, with plenty of bugs/features(?), and I'll play it until Fallout 5 ruins my opinion of the franchise (just a guess!)
My first Fallout game was Fallout 4, it was and I still think it is, very fun and enjoyable, then I played 76 and I actually loved it at launch, and still consider it as my favorite game in the series, then I played New Vegas and Fallout 3, and I think they are an ok game, but nothing special, with the worst of the two being Fallout 3, the lore of NV really boosts it a lot for me, I also tried to play 1 and 2 but I can't stand the gameplay, they are just so annoying
Its hard to feel any hope for this franschise when Bethesda cant even release a next gen version of FO4 without making us wait for years, at this rate FO5 will be out in 2035 at the earliest.
Oh wow! I wish id known this survey was around! Apologies for missing it lol
this is some cool stuff, sucks i missed out but i would definitely reccomend doing it again later on into the fallout show being out for longer. great vid and survey though man.
I like the story and setting in Vegas more, but I prefer the gameplay of 4 and 76.
and one more week you will have to include the TV show as well
Brotherhood of Steel was my first game
I did enjoy it
This is so confusing. I am so confused.
Fallout 2 How to play please???
On the note of the results being biased because your fanbase is likely more drawn to NV, here's a thought experiment that could be done: how many content creators are there in YT, and other platforms, that are focused more on 3, 4, 76, Shelter, and the classics? It would probably be difficult to establish that these people and their audiences have a preference towards those games, but that's something that would be interesting to observe.
I don't think this would be representative of popularity for each game, because people are drawn to these specific games for different reasons, a FO Shelter player may simply not care to watch videos about Fallout lore, for example, but I still think it would be interesting to know these things.
Forgot to submit mine few days ago! Really enjoy surveys like this
1:13 oh shit yeah that ps4 pack was my first intriduction to the world lmao
Think the low sample pool comes also because your average views are dropping as well.