It was literally a failed attempt at recreating the moment in 3 where you jump into the VR pod. The devs are so lazy they literally not only reused the pod assets for this in 4 but even the story shares the same beats. Especially here.
“Explore a decades worth of content” yes that content is made for free by modders. Not Bethesda. If it wasn’t for the mods no one would still be playing tesrim
True, but OTOH how many companies make games that allow easy modding like Beth titles while having a solid foundation that people would be interested to build something upon?
@@angelmessenger8240 what are you doing? there’s thousands of mods with so many good quest lines and good additions. you’re robbing yourself of a good experience
@@ytmldSorry,but no and i agree with him. I tried those community made quests in Fo4. They didn't lasted for long before i deleted them. I love keeping my games vanilla.
@@patriktoth6258 People complain about Bethesda's writing, but goddamn the quest mods are 99% trash, cringy "Marvel quirky" BS tier writing. Sim Settlements are the only decently written mod for Fallout 4, same goes for New Vegas, the only good quest mods for it are the SomeGuy2000 series.
The most egregious bethesda moment in Skyrim is that you can walk into the college of winterhold without ever having cast a single spell and one looney tunes episode later you're the freaking headmaster. not a student, not a lecturer, the fucking HEADMASTER. This kills replayability. Why would I play as a mage if, aside from the combat, the game plays exactly the same?
Because it’s not about replayability, it’s about keeping people on an infinite loop where they just keep playing on and on, with DLC added. Fallout NV and Morrowind are about replayability, because they’re actual RPGs. You build a character that has certain skills, that’s why in fallout 4 and Skyrim you don’t have level caps and skills don’t matter nearly as much, it’s to keep the player playing forever with radiant quests and enemies. It’s the definition of slop.
@@jackplisken4738 i definitely agree, the combat is one note (maybe two if you use ranged attacks) The questlines are backed by some of the blandest miscellaneous quests in the series, and the shouting is pathetic from what it should be. Still like an 8/10 for me though, maybe 7.5
With as much mod content as has come for Skyrim, idk how they felt that Starfield was even close to ready for release. Or look at something like the "Frost" mods for FO4, an entire rebuild of the game. Starfield is just so shallow, like there's nothing to do except download nsfw load screen replacer mods because you're gonna be looking at them . . . . for a lonnnngggg time
The shake up to game design from Daggerfall to Morrowind is what saved Bethesda. But since then, they've done nothing. Their game design is the same, every game feels the same, they're Bethesda games, you know? It's a genre unto itself. But as we can see, every aspect of their games has deteriorated. Less choice/consequence/immersion, less reactivity, less quest variety, less depth in writing, lore, world building, less rpg elements. And the tone and subject matter of the games has gotten safer and blander. The best we'll get for ES6 is Fallout 4 but worse. WRONG. Why do people think they'll come back from Starfield? We saw the innocuous radiant quests from Skyrim become a major portion of Fallout 4's campaign. And we saw the most hated aspect of Fallout 4 -Preston Garvey and the infinite radiant trash become the main design pillar of Starfield. The hand crafted content is now the peripheral side stuff that's tucked away. They're not gonna suddenly walk back this trend. ES 6's writing will just be some wiki entries fed into Chat GPT, and the whole map will be proc gen. But there will be 1000s of hand crafted food items and bespoke pieces of junk for no damn reason. Will Shen left the company to work on other open world RPG's. Why? Cause Emil has all the power, and he's steering the game design further and further into shallow, simple, and dumb. You don't leave the biggest RPG company in the business to go make RPG's. Unless there's something terribly wrong.
I've been at the point of not wanting TES6 to ever come out for a long while, the absolute atrocities of Starfield, Fallout 4, and canonizing that horrendous show have brought me to the point of hoping they shut down before they can further defile two of the once best settings in RPGs into hideous mockeries of themselves.
@@notsae66 possible now that if they release it and it's garbage, Microsoft could separate Bethesda from it's IPs. Unlikely, but that avenue was not available before.
@@philipajfry Other than Emil's timely retirement or death, that's about the only hope we have left. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't have the best record for this kind of thing, as 343's existence attests to.
Yeah, but they DO have Obsidian in their employ. But again, highly unlikely. Wait, does Tim Cain still work there?!? Ah, it's a pipe dream. They could at the very least outsource for more games, faster. Microsoft doesn't want 1 game a decade from Bethy. The IP's they lord over are more profitabke than they are productive.
Nah, I disagree. Im sick of acting like bethesda is some fallen from perfection company. They tried to sell you Skyrim like 3 times at full price before FO4 came out. They had good games in the past, but they have been up there right next to EA in how scummy their business tactics are. And yes, bethesda's incredibly buggy games are a sign of a lack of effort.
Its sadly not just Bethesda. Look at the R6 series and Call of Duty. Both of these series were serious terrorist/war based titles. Not gonna lie Siege was good. And yes it WAS good. I remember the time when operators looked like actual soldiers. Same goes for 2019 Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2&3. I mean Nicki Minaj in a Cod game? Tf? Both of them looks/feels like Fortnite and this is what will gonna destroy both series. Tom Clancy if i remember correctly died around 2013. And i was lucky to play older titles when i was little. I was stunned how every CoD game were unique to Call Of Duty Ghosts. After that we had that very futuristic era of the series,but i can't even say those were worse than the current games. Even Advanced Warfare had a mindblowinf story. Then 2019's MW got released and i had hopes which were vanished when i saw Vanguard. ColdWar was a good game (in my opinion). Zombies were insane and actually brought new mechanisms and game modes also the Story is a 10/10. I don't have much to say about R6 series. I skipped Vegas1&2,but older titles like Raven Shield&Athena Sword were insane. Operators feels like actual soldiers and not some guy with a motorcycle helmet. Not to mention its ambient of the game. Released in 2003&04 and it feels like i'm a real operator in that game. Even Ai's aim is insane on the hardest mode and the most important part is the planning. Yeah you can do that in Raven Shield&Athena sword (i played these 2 only). When to use breaching charges or smoke and even the code mechanism where you have 1 team waiting while the other gets in position and once you get there just give them the code to breach and smoke the terrorist from both sides 😂 I'm a 24 year old guy,but these developers made me sad.
@@Bdavis2475 Oblivion was decent, but that's where all of the laziness started, sadly. Bethesda has sucked. Skyrim wasn't that great but was decent. They haven't made a good RPG since 2002.
Obsidian gave them the winning formula back with New Vegas. Buggy game + great writing= classic. Yet Bethesda continues to follow their formula buggy game+ paid mods+ terrible writting= trash
New Vegas is the winning formula how exactly? Practically every gameplay element in it is done much better in Fallout 4. Combat, open world design, dungeons, customization... "B-but muh eight gajillion ending slides and talk-no-jutso!" Just watch a UA-cam compilation or walkthrough if all you care about is the story. That way you save money and don't have to waste time slogging through New Vegas' mediocre gameplay.
@@PeteyPirahna77 They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth. I need some of that Psychojet homeboy is using, Fallout 3's gameplay is abysmally outdated, NV released the same year as Red Dead 1 and NV has no diagonal movement, iron sights are misaligned, _"but muh story tho"_
@@detectivemadoka69420 Obsidian had an 18 month forced deadline and had to use bethesda's shitty tech. Any issues you have with new vegas beyond writing are inherently bethesda's fault. Also, if you don't care about story, you're bethesda's primary demographic. I can see why you'd prefer slop with decent shooting to an actual game.
Bethsda also doesent understand what fallout is supposed to be. its supposed to be a post post apocalyptic. In one and two we see the wasteland growing building houses towns being built but im four and three after two hundred years people are still living in destroyed buildings with skeltons and no one has cleaned anything
but if bethesda made a game about just living in a post-nuclear civilization, it wouldn't be as fun. The point of fallout is the wasteland, if it was all controlled and populated, it looses the real post appocolytic feel.
@@silasmoriarty539 new Vegas is debatabley the most fun fall out game and that one is post post apocalyptic. Same with 2 and to a lesser extent 1 shady sands rebuilt dug a well ECT in the East Coast people have done nothing but kill each other for 200 years no new cities no clean water no government ECT
@tristainmyers458 it's almost like the East Coast games are about them finally rebuilding wowww. Fallout 4 even mentions the Commonwealth almost had a provisional government and the institute fucked it up. You people never pay attention.
Adam Adamowicz was the main reason why the older Fallout games (Fallout 3) under Bethesda were so good especially Oblivion and left a huge impact. Sadly his passing back in 2012 resulted in a lack of creativity and inconsistency in the newer Bethesda games
I strongly disagree about the Kellogg mission. I can't stand it. It's everything wrong with modern games. It's just generic "tug at your heart strings" character tropes that desperately try to get you to feel for this horrible character that you have little to no in game interaction with, all the while forced through a walking simulator. This is a pretty decent video, but I disagree with this point a lot.
@@calculator91it would’ve been really the same tbh tho there wouldn’t be reason to go threw Kellogg’s brain if that was the case they would’ve had make different reasoning for that
Fallout’s 4 writing, worldbuilding, quest design, and lack of rpg mechanics really drag it down. It’s still a good game but it will never be as replay able as new Vegas
The only counter argument to New Vegas is that you have to mod it to make it work. So what? You have to mod FO4 to make it bearable to play and once you mods New Vegas it becomes the best game ever made tailored to your desires. What more could you ask for?
@@jordandennis6794 I have to disagree. It should have been a good shooter if it was made in 2007. Back when COD4 came out. For 2015 it is not a good shooter. It is mediocre compared to every other shooter that exist.
@@pantsonfire2216 I actually have to disagree with the "mod to make it work". I have played it a lot without mods, and it worked just fine then. I had no more issues than playing something like Skyrim unmodded. However. Its not like Bethesda games are known for buggy games that they never fix. Or are we going to ignore that the "Unofficial Bug Fixes" are basically mandatory mods for all of Bethesda's games today? They are so mandatory that they are officially on the consoles as "creations". And those bug fixes changes so much to the game that a game without them are basically unrecognizable to each other.
Lead Skyrim Designer, Bruce Nesmith, stated they changed when billions from FO SHELTER and other mobile trash flooded in. Zenimax aggressively pivoted EVERY IP. Everything from the Creation Club shops injected and other monetizing started up and the days of half hearted content began. Why make quality when idiots can buy cometics and other overpriced microtransaction garbage.
I'm still waiting for the day people start to realize just how bad Zenimax is. We love to rage about Ubisoft and EA being greedy all the time, yet somehow Zenimax has remained under the radar. All it takes is to play a few hours of ESO to realize just how absurdly evil and deluded ZoS is.
@@jonathanalexander9881 Well, Microsoft is over Bethesda now, so Zenimax as the management company is all but dead. Bethesda basically had no say in the merger so they are at the mercy of Microsoft.
You are correct - around the time Fallout Shelter was released, Bethesda too a HUGE turn to try and monetize EVERYTHING. I'm old enough to remember when Bethesda tried to force paid mods into Skyrim on Steam in 2015 and pissed off the entire internet for trying to fuck with a 4-year old game's already established mod scene. People being WILLING to buy microtransaction bullshit has killed the gaming industry because companies stopped focusing on quality and started focusing on monetization. If they monetize a game enough, if they don't sell many copies, they'll still make money from microtransaction bullshit. I haven't paid for microtransactions in any game and I don't play mobile games. I tried Pokemon Go in 2016 when it released but having to buy fucking Pokeballs was the dumbest shit I'd ever seen and immediately stopped playing it. Greed has destroyed all AAA studios via microtransactions. It is going to take a massive paradigm shift for people to finally wake up and stop buying games and paying for microtransactions from greedy companies.
I don't get why this is such a big deal for so many. The main character talks now. Yes, real humans are voicing the lines. And both actors did a good job. What is the problem here? And the new dialogue system is bad, huh? I don't know if you played through Fallout 3 and New Vegas, but their dialogue systems are hot garbage. And I'm probably sticking my face into a bee hive here, but the original Fallouts 1&2 are flawed in this regard as well. Bethesda actually tried to up their game with Fallout 4 and largely succeeded, but got negative feedback anyway. I think this is one reason that's largely overlooked, as to why Starfield pretty much sucks; they got gaslit by the feedback from Fallout 4 and they don't think they can make good games anymore.
@@GestaltElias dont mind voiced protagonist, but it came with the downside of the shitty system. And no, new vegas had a good system, with ACTUAL CHOICES and SKILLCHECKS. You know, stuff you like if you are an Rpg-fan. Fallout 4 shat all over that.
@@Daniel-uk6yr I do agree with Bethesda not using proper RPG mechanics for Fallout 4 was a huge missed opportunity. But, that's how they roll. Over the years their games have lost that classical RPG feel, where your character build actually matters in how you can play the game. I don't think it's so much a conscious choice to cater their games to a "larger audience", it's just that they've lost the expertise and the vision necessary to implement these mechanics into their games. Always loved how your character build in Fallout 1&2 changes the game. Now it's just a bunch of insignificant stat boosts at best.
@@GestaltElias new vegas took the FO3 template and improved in many ways. Instead of taking the cue bethesda just rolled in the opposite direction and wasted all potential.
Bethesda was never a "competent" studio (given the endless bugs in every of their games) but at least in older games it felt like they cared way way more than nowadays. Now they obviously just want your money.
Yeah, but I'm tired of people complaining about "paid mods". There's a solution. Don't buy them and get the free ones. (While they're still free, before modders start becoming UA-camrs who self-censor because they're too lazy to work real jobs and make videos just for fun)
If you are tired of people complaining then dont click on a video with a title like that where you know before hand that someone will be complaining. The video is also about paid mods in general but rather about bethesda as a game studio in general. Also, if you are one of the people that accepts paid mods with little to no or even worse stolen content then thats your thing, but not everyone is that stupid you know ;)
@@CheesyX2 I never buy mods. No one has to, either. If Bethesda was somehow preventing the use of free mods made by independent modders, then I would sympathize with the complaints. But if payed mods are just low quality OPTIONAL content, then I don't see what the problem is. Just don't buy them and download better free ones. The title never specifies this "problem" was even going to be discussed and it doesn't need to be. Of all of Bethesda's faults, this one is only problem if you got tricked into paying for their stuff.
@@DomyWomySalami Bethesda have shown they are no longer capable of making good RPGs , perhaps they can get back to the handcrafted open world action-adventure games that are at least enjoyable again.
13:20 the thing is most of the team behind fallout New Vegas, who also had worked on fallout 1 and 2, are now gone from Obsidian. The most authentic image of what was fallout was 1 and 2 and had ended with new Vegas. It’ll probably never fit the vibes of those games again whether obsidian or Bethesda are working on it sadly.
@@WealthWireCreators the fuck kinda excuse is that? You can replace whatever you want with mods in any game, doesn't change the fact that the game itself sucks.
@@flabbywall1780 Plasma weapons as well. I feel like they made some weapons too bulky so that they look alright when used with power armor. Like the 10mm pistol, and aforementioned plasma weapons and the assault rifle. Also, including a modular Thompson in the game but not letting you use stick mags should be a crime.
Just yesterday I talked with a friend of mine about Bethesdas priorisation of scale over actual content and how it negatively impacts their newer games. Far Harbour is a prime example how a smaller but densly packed Island is preferable to the spacious Nuka World, where you basically just shoot at things.
Honestly? Fair point. I will always recomend people pick up the far harbour DLC for fallout 4 if they haven't already. I have not once recomended nuka world. The sheer difference in writting and ending outcomes is clear as hell. One, is shallow, pick your 2 flavours of raider to support their take over of the park and parts of the commonwealth, or wipe them out. Binary. For far harbour. To brutally sumarize it. There are... a few different ending outcomes. All factions coexist, thanks to arcadia. the children of atom are wiped out, but arcadia and the harbour remains. The inverse, arcadia and the children of atom remain. And of course... the chaotic option. Destroy both far harbour and the children of atom, then sick either the brotherhood of steel or the institute on arcadia to finish the job, and wipe the island clean... unless you already killed both the BOS and institute, then you just have to do things, manually (I forget if they are essential NPCS) I wonder if there is an option to make peace between the children and the harbourmen, then wipe out arcadia? Either way, the potential outcomes in far harbour are far more impactful than that in nuka world. Even if what happens on the island, remains contained TO, the island. The other reason is one of the last good writers at bethesda was working on far harbour, so that helped.
@@magnusx8615 It isn't just the story, it's the tone, the world building, the writing, the very design choices that has lead to Fo76 and starfield. Also Chris Avellone never worked for Bethesda.
@@magnusx8615 not just the story. The gameplay of each their consecutive release gets watered down more and more as well. Plus I never liked their vision of what Fallout should be as a setting.
Imagine a game where Obsidian does the writing/RPG mechanics, Bethesda does the open world, and ID software or some other shooter company owned by Microsoft does the combat. Guaranteed 10/10 game of the year
Bethesda crapped all over their own legacy with Starfield. The benefit of using a decades old engine is you have a springboard in which you can recycle a lot of things and they still somehow ended up with a less featured, less detailed game than they’ve ever released.
I hate how every Bethesda game feels like Skyrim. They all play the same, all the side quests are copy pasted, and the stories just keep getting lazier. I used to love Bethesda, now they're going down the path Ubisoft went down.
Don't act like the current writing team could make a story nearly as compelling as Daggerfall, Morrowind, or even Oblivion. These are different people entirely from the ones who used to make these games.
To be honest, Fallout wasn't a big IP when Bethesda bought it. It was a relatively unknown game, popular in a very minor community of RPG game lovers, and at that time game industry wasn't popular as it is today. Big money came to the industry after the crisis of 2008. Bethesda did revive Fallout, bringing new fans (me included, I started the series with Fallout 3, then played 1 and 2 and became a hardcore fan) and they deserve some credit. However things are becoming more and more about money, not about creativity, and Bethesda changed as well. I have nothing against Bethesda's interpretation of Fallout but the games at least should be written well. All I see is them being lazy, arrogant and greedy.
Nah I have faith. I do agree that if TES VI fails that will definitely be the end of Bethesda because hell even I would join the hate bandwagon at that point but TES is the franchise that saved them, it’s the franchise that made them a giant, and it’s the franchise they are most familiar with I have faith they could make another good Elder Scrolls game. They just need to get the exploration right.
@Guava11534 I believe starfield was too ambitious for these guys. the limitations they have due to creation engin being ass, its literally the reason for the half of the problems with starfield. Endless loading screens, not being able to land on a planet without a fast travel, invisible walls on planets, all of this basically ruin the whole impression and feel to the game. Obviously, the lack of content is also a huge bummer which is because of their whole random ass generation system. So yeah, exploration (which always was a strong point in bethesda games.) really suck in starfield. Now the next elder scrolls, it's totally a deferent case, there is not gonna be over 1000 planets. Its just one big map like we always had in ES and fallout games, so we can explore that whole map without any loading screen and Hopefully, they will give us much more handcrafted content. (So we might see that famous bethesda environmental storytelling again.) But my actual concerns are the writing, quest design, combat, and animations (specially the facial animation) and I dont think any of this important aspect of the game going to be that great. (just look at their history...) and more I think about it, when the game finally releases in probably 2028; if you just lower your expectations, it might not actually be that much of a bad experience. (If they don't completely screw it.)
It's funny how you give a pass to morrorwind and oblivion for being much older. But literally less time passed between morrorwind and skyrim, then skyrim and today. Let that sink in.
Sometimes I think modern computergame programming is not about making the customers happy, it´s about profit maximation and satisfying the stockholders!
Eventually that’s bound to bite them back real hard. Problem is too many people are too stupid to no realize the developer companies don’t actually care about making customers happy. I haven’t bought a single Bethesda game since Skyrim Special Edition. And the reason why is mostly to do with Fallout 4’s weapons and armor that do not align with previous titles.
3:54 “Fallout 4 made some monumental improvements over the previous games.” Yes and no. In terms of overall gameplay, that can’t be denied. Fallout 4 undeniably has much better gameplay than its predecessors and this is coming from a veteran of 3 and New Vegas. But it fails in so many other aspects. What I will never forgive Bethesda for is taking away the weapons and armor that were seen in previous games. Why the fuck did they take away the AR-15 platform and the Browning guns found in New Vegas? I loved those weapons to death and as someone who loves to roleplay as a soldier, an AR platform and a 9mm pistol are my bread and butter weapons. Instead we are given stupid-looking slop of guns that are based on old designs that were previously seen in World War I. The “assault rifle” is prime example of this. A stupid concept of a water-cooling system for what is essentially a light machine gun judging by its size. If you know even the most barebones basics of gun design, you would realize that is an absolute negative IQ move especially when you realize water-cooled guns have been phased out before World War II. Thank God modders are trying to save this game from Todd Coward’s slimy hands. It is thanks to modders and modders alone that I can replace the shitty-looking guns in Fallout 4 with New Vegas-inspired modern weapons and armor. It’s more than clear that Bethesda is extremely jealous of Obsidian making the most successful Fallout game among the core fanbase despite being given only 18 months of development time. All in all, I love the Fallout and Skyrim but I hate Bethesda.
>"Fallout 4 undeniably has much better gameplay than its predecessors and this is coming from a veteran of 3 and New Vegas" Even then it's debatable. Yes, the animations and feedback are better, but at the same time it's much more simplified than New Vegas. Fever weapons (I don't consider two same weapons with different mods as separate weapons), no ammo types, no damage threshold, no partial reloads with revolvers and shotguns (tbf there's no pump action shotguns in FO4 at all), no different melee moves you can learn, no disguises (and reputation system as a whole), no implants. I mean, sure, being able to build your own robots is cool and settlement building has its fans (even though Bethesda relied too much on it as a crutch to help them fill the game world), but that's not really something I've expected from a Fallout game, you know?
Going back to damage resist instead of damage threshold was already a huge down-grade from New Vegas. Replacing ammo types with legendary effects was just bad and cemented the game as a looter shooter, rather than an RPG. The "Assault Rifle" is so bad that a guy actually did a video dedicated to tearing it down, all by itself. He's done videos on other bad weapon designs, including other weapons from Fallout 4, the problems with some of the guns of New Vegas and even Starfield.
@@Mirthful_MidoriI know who you’re referring to. BrandyBoy, am I right? Yeah he tore those guns down to dust and rightfully so. Bethesda should have followed from New Vegas and maybe, just maybe, they actually would have been in a much better place. I’m not saying they should keep the engine. If anything, I like the updated engine Fallout 4 and 76 have. But keeping or improving the weapons and armor from 3 and New Vegas would have been THE Fallout game.
@@nicholascauton9648 That's exactly who I was thinking of. He actually uploaded a video on the TV show's guns now, too. I can only assume he tears into the desert eagle with the junk glued on it.
@@Mirthful_MidoriHe basically does tear into those guns from the show. In fact, he’s actually “impressed” that the show runners went out of their way to materialize the Fallout 4 “assault rifle” when they really didn’t have to do that.
Fallout 4 becomes another game when you play it on survival mode. Wastelands starts to feel dangerous, settlements become important. It adds a lot to the game value and immersion.
Oblivion was just as flawed in the story and writing department as every other release since, Morro was the last entry they had that wasn't completely streamlined and dumbed down.
Bethesda finally lost me when starfield released. I absolutely love oblivion and Skyrim, but these lazy idiots managed to basically not improve so many things after so many years of developing, that’s absolutely insane. At that moment, I realized that we’re all going to cry when elder scrolls 6 releases because it will be bad.
You nailed it. The potential has always been there, but the effort is always inconsistent or passed off to the modder. Bethesda, like BioWare, is a corporate version of what used to be an artist's haven.
Yeah the presence of radscorpions, deathclaws, super mutants, BoS etc is super unhinged in Fallout 3. It's like a theme park based on Fallout 1+2. They could have introduced a whole bunch of new factions and creatures etc, and that would have been really cool. But nah, they were just like 'do the things'
Personally I’m not totally against that. I’m grateful the gameplay engine is more fluid thanks to the sprinting which was missing from 3 and New Vegas. Which to me was always strange considering CoD 4: Modern Warfare released the year before Fallout 3. Besides that though, everything else was terribly executed. The weapons look piss-poor functional, the armors look stupid, when they had so much to work with from previous games. A lot of Fallout weapons were pop culture icons from the Cold War and before meaning they didn’t have to put extra unnecessary effort in making cursed guns.
I played Oblivion back in the day on physical release and all the lack of immersion was just as much there as it was in Skyrim. The clunky, stilted dialogue, the cut-paste environments, the lack of variety in voice acting resulting in npcs talking to copies of themselves, the lack of reactivity in the world in light of an actual apocalypse. None of this is new.
Your first time playing Fallout 4 mirrors mine exactly. It was the first game I ever pre-ordered, and the night before it launched I made an effort of going to bed early, so I could play for a couple hours before school. The whole day I was just waiting to get home so I could play more. No game has made me feel that way since.
I'll keep saying it: Fallout 4's protagonist is a pale shadow of what CD Projekt red accomplished with V and Geralt: If you want to give your character a fixed backstory and voice, then go all in and treat him like an already established character, an RPG can work fine even with such protagonist. Look at BG3, Origin characters absolutely do not make the game less immersive or less of an RPG. How about Harry Dubois from Disco Elysium? No dice. The reason the voiced protagonist doesn't work in Fallout 4 is that the dialogues, just like the rest of the story, are badly written, plain and simple.
I wouldn't call Fallout 4, Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 RPGs. Witcher 3 is a fun open world action adventure game. Cyberpunk is something similar but it's not an RPG. Fallout 4 has no identity. Open world FPS with building settlements as main mechanics... who asked for such game? Oh, and they went even further and made Abomination 76 I wouldn't be so mad at Bethesda if their writing wasn't so bad.
@@Khannah69 I call them RPG lites, makes things easier to explain. Fallout 4 tried to be the same thing, but its writing and RPG elements are so weak it's not even funny.
I couldn't play Witcher because I didn't like Geralt. Maybe that's why I prefer Fallout and Morrowind style protagonists. I don't think we can compare these games, they are too different.
The problems are that they need to ditch the creation engine, make the games feel like an RPG again with your choices mattering, and better writing. Balder's gate three beats almost all Bethesda games.
I think Daggerfall and Morrowind are on par or nearly on par with baldurs gate 3, obviously comparing crpgs to arpgs is like apples and oranges in every category except story and writing, since the style in which the game is presented has different strengths and limitations which inform the specific design choices of the world and the RPG mechanics utilized. When it comes to writing and story pre-oblivion Bethesda games are some of the best, up there with arcanum, fallout 1, 2 and NV, Baldur's Gate, Divinity original sin 2 and other phenomenal RPGs.
The engine is a minor issue, writing and game design are bigger issues. If they gave Starfield Morrowind's depth and handcrafted content, it would be a masterpiece.
I disagree. Baldurs gate 3 is just a different game, technically they both are RPGs (or Bethesda claims their games to be...) but different RPGs. I don't think we can compare them. Fallout or TES made in Baldurs gate 3 style will lack elements we used to love in previous games and, to be honest, I don't want it. I want something like New Vegas.
Update the Creation Engine, not ditch it. The ease of modding their games is a huge reason to buy their games. They also need to update their formula. There's plenty of room for improvement on every level but their soundtrack. Lol. That's probably the only real top-tier element of their games. Exploration is a close second.
@BrainsAndBeats_ Eh, I'm looking at The Wayward Realms rn. It's being made by an original Daggerfall dev, Ted Peterson. It's supposed to be the spiritual successor to daggerfall, so yeah. It is a procedurally generated world, though, so don't go in expecting skyrim 2.0.
I hate how it's so hard to criticize Bethesda without eventually getting people with stupid opinions on your side. No, I don't dislike the Fallout show because there was a female protagonist or because a trans character appeared for .000001 seconds, I dislike it because the storytelling isn't very solid and has a lot of logic gaps and plotholes.
That is exactly 100% my line of thought as well. Morons with brain-rot opinions can ruin the best arguments due to association. I’m actually certain half the brain-rot opinions are trolls attempting to intentionally ruin any discussion.
@@theyawningowlbear6758 Donald Trump's brother was on the board of directors at Zenimax and after his death Bethesda wrote a public thank you letter to him.
Criticism of Fallout 4 for lack of choices, yet praising Oblivion is crazy hypocritical. Those games don’t have any choices or role playing options in the story.
exactly, people always judge Fallout 4 because of it's dialogue wheel but in reality Fallout 4 has way better dialogue choices compared to Skyrim and Oblivion.
I remember watching one interview where one commenter stated that the downfall occurred at Skyrim. After the success of that game Todd & Bethesda figured that their (censored) couldn't stink. But seriously, I am watching behind-the-scenes for Starfield and I find out they never even had a central design document for the game. I watch another video to watch Bethesda's lead writer telling staff not to worry about story because WE will never stop to enjoy it anyways. Maybe it's time for Microsoft to have Todd focus on the engine he's been neglecting for the past decade and let OTHER people do the writing.
They have not used a game design dlcument since morrosind because Emil and i quote "keeping it updated was too much work". As lead writer it was HIS job to keep it updated so it would remain useful to his team
I mostly agree with the points made in this video. The first Bethesda game I played was Daggerfall. It does not have the detailed, hand crafted world of later games. Those who complain about the heavy reliance on procedural generation in Starfield will recognize the same issue with Daggerfall. However, this was way back in the 1990s, and for its time, Daggerfall was a bold and risky experiment. Furthermore, Daggerfall has a depth to its RPG mechanics that few RPGs - from any developer - can match. The reputation system alone is incredibly detailed. By today's standards, Daggerfall is clunky, unapproachable, and difficult. (I just love watching newbies struggle with the tutorial dungeon.) Even so, people interested in Bethesda's history should check it out. If you can master Daggerfall, you'll gain some street cred with cantankerous old gamers like me. I would place Bethesda's peak at Morrowind. It retains some of the systemic depth of Daggerfall, but in a game world with a more reasonable scale and with a lot more hand crafted content. Writing has never been Bethesda's greatest strength, and I don't consider Morrowind (or Daggerfall, for that matter) as a masterpiece in this regard, but I find the main story, the DLC stories, and the faction quests mostly superior to those that came later, though Oblivion is also relatively strong. There are some problems with Morrowind. The leveling system, in particular, is artificial, contrived, and thoroughly immersion-breaking. This is best resolved by installing a leveling mod. Oblivion is a similar situation, but it manages to be even worse - not paying close attention when accumulating skills and leveling can throw the game way off balance. Skyrim, in its simplicity, has some advantages here, and popular leveling mods for Morrowind and Oblivion use some of Skyrim's methodology. In general, I find Skyrim to be a rich, detailed world that is fun to explore, and the game works well if it is treated as a fantasy life sim where the character wanders aimlessly and hoards useless loot. These are activities that I enjoy - they constitute a sort of mindless fun that is just right after a hard day's work. Unfortunately, Skyrim is shallow, an unfortunate fact that becomes clear to anyone who closely interrogates whatever passes for story lines. The main quest is a parade of clichés that has few memorable moments. The civil war story line is a particularly fine example of ineptitude in video game writing and quest design; the game would be better off without it. It's clearly half baked and thrown together. There are some fun little plot twists in some of the faction quests, so it isn't all bad, but they have little effect on the static game world. Despite all this, I love Skyrim for everything that it does well, but when I consider the games that came after, I fear that Bethesda has learned many bad lessons from Skyrim. I also love Fallout 4, but generally for the same reasons that I love Skyrim. It's a good world in which to engage in some aimless wandering and junk collecting, but I have a hard time engaging with the stories and factions. I've never completed the game because, every time I start it, I get bored with the stories and end up building ugly buildings out of junk. (I avoid Preston like the plague, though. I don't want to get caught up in his repetitive nonsense, and I install mods to reduce settlement-related annoyances.) I haven't bought Starfield. It doesn't look promising. Maybe in a few years, I'll buy it on sale and see what the modders have done with it. I have little hope for subsequent games - we will have to look elsewhere for high quality RPGs. Hopefully, Larian will continue to deliver.
Larian is the modern day goat for RPGs (if you like crpgs) Divinity original sin 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 are some of the best RPGs ever made, Morrowind and Daggerfall are up there with these two games as well as fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas, arcanum, and plainscape torment just to name a few.
“Before Fallout 4 Bethesda was spotless!” Bro Stfu, no they were not. Almost all they’re games and certain aspects that sucked about them. They weren’t masterpieces. Good but, not that great.
@@KingofFreaksNo game has ever been spotless and perfect. Like im not even exaggerating I’ve been gaming since I was 5 and I don’t think I’ve ever played a game without some sort of bug or glitch. Some funny some frustrating, oblivion, Skyrim, fallout 3 were all fantastic games
Saying "a lot of artists try to innovate over and over, and every time you try to set a new standard in an industry, you're taking a huge risk" while talking about Bethesda, the company that's literally been making the same game for 20+ years, might just be the strongest huff of copium I ever heard anybody take
Starfield isn't awful. I don't understand why everyone hates on it so hard. Re-playability is pretty limited but I thoroughly enjoyed my first playthrough despite the issues.
@@Minutemensurvivalist99 I think the game is great. You're obviously a fan of Fallout 4, and that game gets shit on daily. Put yourself in my shoes. We all have our own preferences and opinions.
@@dallasmed65 I like Fallout 4 because I treat it as a survival and shooter game with rpg elements (which is what it is) and not a full rpg game with survival and shooter aspects like New Vegas.
For most people who grew up with Morrowind, the line starts at Oblivion. That's when Bethesda started to strip roleplaying elements from their games in favour of more simple but soulless systems with the only real step forward being the combat mechanics, but even that depends on who you ask.
Problem are people, because no matter what Bethesda will do fans will always get hyped. Maybe now they reputation is on low, but if they release trailer for next Elders Scrolls or Fallout fanboys forget about that, and feel in to next hype madness like with Starfield. Because loot of peps attach own ego to Bethesda, so they will defend and consume.
are we gonna bring up how many people absolutely hated skyrim on release? it didn't even have mounted combat. they'll be fine. when bethesda's next game comes out, people will hate it for a year or so before liking it, too.
@@Lerppunen riiight. no it wasn't. they said it dumbed down the game too much to appeal to casuals. it was buggy and broken. it was bare bones. people hated it.
I suppose I am a hater then. In 2011 Skyrim was my first RPG and ever since I played it, Oblivion and Morrowind I wanted more. It's at this point, when I discovered what else there was, that I realized just how inadequate Bethesda always was. Older games have much better overall quality, but that doesn't change the fact that they are overshadowed by the games much older and less technological. Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 combined have the fraction of content that any one of Bethesda's games has, and yet they feel infinitely larger and deeper. Dark Messiah Might and Magic, a source game from 2005 has a first person combat system so unbelievably superior to anything made in 20 years since that there's nothing to compare it to, even mentioning Bethesda's auto clicker simulators makes Elder Scrolls seem like it's stuck in the 90s. Bethesda always was mediocre at best, they simply got lucky.
I think with starfield and the last 2 fallout games its clear to see the things that made those games bad are also in their previous titles. But the previous titles always offered something that made it easy to forgive. It feels like the critiques that were made on FO3, Oblivion, Skyrim, and their other previous titles were turned into features of a bethesda game. Shallow writing, quantity over quality, dumbing down of gameplay mechanics, etc. Its a good thing that we are able to identify a Bethesda game just by looking at gameplay, identity is good. Playing a game that relies only on Identity instead of doing something new and interesting gets old. 3d rockstar games have a feel. Bully, Red dead, and GTA all play very similarly, yet they are all very different and actually have an interest in providing a fleshed out experience. I think of the Zelda series as well. Skyward sword was the Fallout4 of zelda in some aspects. It relied too heavily on the zelda formula. The next console zelda game was breath of the wild. Still keeping identity of zelda while changing so much and taking risks. Adaptation and change should be embraced. but corporations will never understand that. I will never wish for a company responsible for some of my best gaming memories to go under, but if they keep on this path I can see microsoft shutting them down. If a giant has to fall to shift the industry then so be it.
I remember watching the absolute shitshow that was starfield and thinking "if this is the game Todd wanted to make for so long, I'm terrified of the games he doesn't want to make"
It’s ridiculous we haven’t gotten neither a new Skyrim Game or a Fallout game. They had all these studios like Arcane Austin and much more, and didn’t bother trying getting another Elder Scrolls Game and another Fallout game while working on Starfield. Obsidian proposed an Elder Scrolls spin-off but Bethesda rejected it, so Obsidian turned the spin-off idea into Avowed. And honestly The Outer Worlds is like fallout but in space and honestly I wanna see more of The Outer Worlds then either Fallout or Elder Scrolls. And can’t wait for The Outer Worlds 2 that’s rumored to come out sometime in 2025 or 2026.
Did you already exhaust the thousands of hours of content in Fallout 3, 4, New Vegas, 76 yet? Their games are buggy as hell, but IMO they put exceptional detail into the small things in the game which makes me believe they do actually care about the content they release.
"a new Skyrim game" tells me everything I need to know, the series is called the elder scrolls, but TES games are RPGs so it's fitting to call them Skyrim games since RPG is not the genre that Bethesda has made games successfully in since Morrowind or at all since Oblivion.
@@Sumoniggro Masterpiece? The game was unplayable day 1 and for years after with bugs. It's still incredibly buggy to this day and nearly unplayable on modern hardware without significant mods.
@@SecretAgentBartFargo A game having technical issues isn't even what the title masterpiece is even denoting, a buggy and crashing game that requires an unofficial patch to make playable is still better than anything Bethesda has released since Morrowind.
Hodd Toward's obsession with trying to retcon all of Old Obsidian's work with his own has been his undoing. His need to prove himself the better creator of Fallout games is what lead it down the shitter
When it comes to Fallout 4, I loved the voiced characters. I hate when a game has silent MC's. I'd rather have a cool voice to mimic in my head, than coming up with my own. That's why games like Baldur's Gate and such never do it for me, I need a established voice for my character, otherwise the dialogue feels flat to me and never hits as it should, when my guy just stands there, silent.
You are way too kind and lenient to Bethesda's game quality. Even Morrowind, which is their best game ever with a truly great story and world, is still low quality game full of issues and bad design decisions. Their games have good exploration and that's it
Bethesda hasn't made a decent game since oblivion. I don't understand why skyrim gets a free pass from everyone. It's the most water downed "rpg" ever. The internet and casuals made it popular.
Fallout 3 was mediocre at best Skyrim is inanely overrated Fallout 4 is just bad Fallout 76 is disgrace Starfield just shown all remaining Todd Howard apologists what Bethesda games are without being connected to beloved IPs and nostalgia baiting.
You are talking about Wayward Realms. They are the Daggerfall team. Some were there for Arena and had some input for Morrowind, but they are basing Wayward Realms off of Daggerfall. It should be an interesting game but they are a small team and I doubt they can deliver what they want to bring. It also won't be nearly as polished of an experience as a true Elder Scrolls game but sadly neither will TES VI seeing as how shitty Bethesda has been for the last 10 years.
@@husky3g it should be noted that the last time they made a game like this, it was the 90's and neither game worked. arena and daggerfall are the worst constructed games out of the entire ES series. there is a reason daggerfall got remade in unity instead of just being patched by the fans.
I'd say its more about being the only large-scale open-world RPG around as well as mods since other games can do the individual things better than modern elder scrolls can.
Their support is definitely dying. They have already lost many of their long-time/veteran fans because of how bad their games have been. I "borrowed" FO4, FO76 and Starfield and barely played any of them. All pretty terrible games.
essentially the problem with Bethesda is they are really trying to tell you a story when they were their best letting YOU make your own story inside the game.
It’s not Bethesda fault , it the fans of the games that fail. People complain about fallout subways , so fallout 4 they remove them. Then people complain about settlement building. They can’t get break
Skyblivion is the only thing related to Bethesda worth being excited over, assuming Bethesda doesn't miraculously add an update to Skyrim before release, breaking the modding community (again). Poor Fallout London.
Your issue with Skyrim is because you are looking at it wrong. Oblivion and Morrowind are a Fantasy RPG. Skyrim is a Power Fantasy. The world revolves around you in Skyrim. You are the hero of everything at what you do. Even the guards acknowledge you for joining the dark Brotherhood. That is the real issue behind Skyrim. In a non-power fantasy, your actions have consequences that affect the world and the player, while in a Power Fantasy, they don't affect anything but the player's ego.
Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, are classic imo, as an older gamer I love the music, the scenery and the stories. They have bugs but I don't care. I love fallout 4, not keen on fallout 3, too dark and miserable. I would've loved to have played fallout 1 and 2 but I don't have the necessary computer for that. Fallout 76 is not for me and neither is Starfield.
I'm 59, and I absolutely lived in Daggerfall when it was released. It had a ton of bugs, but it started my way to the later Elder Scrolls and Fallout games.
I agree with this although I definitely think Skyrim is where the downfall of BGS started. Comparing Skyrim to the previous two elder scrolls, it’s undeniable that those games are better in every aspect except for the graphics. However I do love Skyrim as well.
fallout4 was darn near perfect. It just didn't know what it wanted to be. It was a rpg that was not a rpg, a crafting survival game with terrible building. It was just all over the place with its game design. Starfield though.. I played for a few hours, and then decided .. forget it, i'll make my own open world rpg. with blackjack, and hookers. I'm 3 months into development. I think indie developers are the way forward in games in general, we need people who have passion and vision creating games. The bigger a company gets, the less soul their products have.
Just remember a lot of the game studios we love started out closer to being indie developers than to AAA studios. When Bethesda made Morrowind they were a middling studio facing potential bankruptcy but they managed to release one of the best fully 3D RPGs ever made even though it was a downgrade from Daggerfall.
@@SumoniggroExactly, when a studio is small or indie, when they are hungry, their projects have lots of soul. It's when they get huge that they start to get rusty and seem to forget why games are made in the first place.
People love to hate on Bethesda, but over the years, they’ve produced many of the games on my “favorite of all time” list. Fallout, Skyrim, Dishonored, Prey, etc. I mean, even if they never made another good game, they’d still be one of the GOATs of game publishing.
Hating on modern Bethesda doesn't take away from their past successes just shows how far they have fallen because they used to make great games. Part of the issue is personal preference versus objective criticisms, Bethesda is objectively bad at making RPGs, they have been since Oblivion.
@@sonofwotan I would be inclined to agree with you on most cases but I am using it correctly so your point is moot and comes off as an attempt to avoid the point being made. RPGs as a genre have specific criteria that are the very points that differentiate them from action-adventure/looter-shooter games, leveling up and character building is just one of these aspects, story, writing, decision making these are also aspects that make an RPG an RPG and Bethesda has shown they are terrible at these aspects and have dumbed down the character building aspect so I reiterate after proving my point that Bethesda is objectively bad at making RPGs.
@@Sumoniggro Again, anything objective can be independently confirmed, as in, anyone on earth would come to the same, usually numerically measurable, conclusion. Examples would include a notebook that is 32 cm x 22 cm, or that a PS4 controller weighs 210 grams, or the GPS coordinates of a location. The word “objective” does not usually collocate with words like amazing, good, bad, terrible, awful, etc., for those are all words used to describe value judgments, which is to say, opinions. Sorry to be pedantic, man, it’s just a pet peeve of mine, right up there with the misuse of “literally.”
@@sonofwotanyour opinions on the use of "objective" are irrellevent to the discussion lil bro, just say you cant come up with a valid response instead of wasting everyones time.
The problem with fallout 4's voiced protagonist isn't them being voiced it's that they are still meant for you to be able to project yourself on to them. When you give a character a voice you give them an identity. A silent protagonist however is one where the player can more easily project themselves on. So the problem isn't the voice the problem is by trying to have it both ways rather than having either a blank slate to project on or and interesting character with they're own struggles and ideals. You instead have a protagonist that's has the personality of a pet rock. Fallout 4 story really needed bethesda to either embrace the humanity of the character or allow the player to project the personality they wanted the character to have. The Yakuza games are a fantastic example of the first option Kiryu is an interesting character with they're own identity of which the player's are not allowed to act outside of. This allows Yakuza to have interesting main and Side quest. For an example of option 2 Fallout New Vegas made all the more relevant on account of being in the same franchise.
It's still odd hearing UA-camrs talk about their childhood playing games like Fallout 4 and Skyrim when my childhood was playing the NES in the 1980s and the SNES in the early '90s. I was in my 30s when Skyrim came out, so trust me when I say games like that were leaps and bounds ahead of anything I had as a kid.
I can't help but feel that Bethesda doesn't give a crap what their customers want or need.I have played all of the Elder Scrolls games and all of the main Fallout games, plus Fallout New Vegas. I played Starfield for about half an hour and was bored out of my mind. Their attitude so reminds me of the attitude when Diablo Immortal was announced as a mobile game. The crowd was clearly disappointed and Wyatt Cheng said, "Don't you guys have phones?" My reaction was "Yeah, but who wants to get immersed in an RPG on their phone?"
skyrim, fallout 3 & 4 problems with writing is basically just emil being a bad writer..... fallout 76 and starfield tho are just both fundamentally bad games but with elder scrolls 6 having emil as a writer should be a warning enough they should just fire emil at this point
@@Sumoniggro well I was too young then to remember and care then and I don't think I've had Internet either, so the more you learn, I guess? But by the time of Skyrim's release people were already displeased with the direction their studio was heading in (even since Oblivion).
@@OCTO358 I'm pretty old, I was in highschool in 2004, I remember when oblivion released and it was fun but an obvious downgrade from Morrowind, Skyrim was just the solidified of the direction Bethesda was heading in.
Bethesda games have become "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle" writ large. The fact that they added creation club Enclave items with an attached quest shows they either dont know or dont care that the Enclave have been wiped out twice already. "Somehow the Enclave has returned".
“ Kellogg’s quest is one of the the best quests bethesda ever made” is a wild wild wasteland take
It was visually interesting, but it was definitely not good and could have been presented a lot better than a bunch of literal neuron walkways lol
my least favorite quest in the entire game
It was literally a failed attempt at recreating the moment in 3 where you jump into the VR pod. The devs are so lazy they literally not only reused the pod assets for this in 4 but even the story shares the same beats. Especially here.
It was perfect
@@Thekillzone64 sure
“Explore a decades worth of content” yes that content is made for free by modders. Not Bethesda. If it wasn’t for the mods no one would still be playing tesrim
I still play the original because I don't have access to mods. I still feel it's a great time.
True, but OTOH how many companies make games that allow easy modding like Beth titles while having a solid foundation that people would be interested to build something upon?
@@angelmessenger8240 what are you doing? there’s thousands of mods with so many good quest lines and good additions. you’re robbing yourself of a good experience
@@ytmldSorry,but no and i agree with him. I tried those community made quests in Fo4. They didn't lasted for long before i deleted them.
I love keeping my games vanilla.
@@patriktoth6258 People complain about Bethesda's writing, but goddamn the quest mods are 99% trash, cringy "Marvel quirky" BS tier writing.
Sim Settlements are the only decently written mod for Fallout 4, same goes for New Vegas, the only good quest mods for it are the SomeGuy2000 series.
Tell Todd to fire his bro from highschool and hire a real game writer and maybe we would have games with good stories
Emil is a real turd.
Surely Emil’s mouth must feel like a Hoover deluxe,
You know he made some pretty good shit, like the the dark brotherhood quest line in the elder scrolls
@@scotthermmann4a broken clock is right twice a day
@@scotthermmann4thats crazy I did not know Emil did that quest line. Too bad he sucks most of the time when it comes to writing.
The most egregious bethesda moment in Skyrim is that you can walk into the college of winterhold without ever having cast a single spell and one looney tunes episode later you're the freaking headmaster. not a student, not a lecturer, the fucking HEADMASTER. This kills replayability. Why would I play as a mage if, aside from the combat, the game plays exactly the same?
Because it’s not about replayability, it’s about keeping people on an infinite loop where they just keep playing on and on, with DLC added. Fallout NV and Morrowind are about replayability, because they’re actual RPGs. You build a character that has certain skills, that’s why in fallout 4 and Skyrim you don’t have level caps and skills don’t matter nearly as much, it’s to keep the player playing forever with radiant quests and enemies. It’s the definition of slop.
I hate the wizards college. The campus is bad. The quests are bad. There are some decent overhaul mods though
First they took my Levitate spell, and then they even took my beloved acrobatics. Felt bad, man.
The same for the pathetic bard quest. You get nominated as a bard for being a dungeon explorer and retrieving some old book.
Oblivion was peak
Love skyrim, but no mention how you are pretty much just given the leadership roles of all the guilds and factions for no real reason
I mean, some i agree (college) but at the end of the day it's kinda lore, dragons have a desire to conquer.
skyrim started beths downfall , the game was a 70% at best
@@jackplisken4738 i definitely agree, the combat is one note (maybe two if you use ranged attacks)
The questlines are backed by some of the blandest miscellaneous quests in the series, and the shouting is pathetic from what it should be.
Still like an 8/10 for me though, maybe 7.5
Ummmm Oblivion actually starts this trend.
With as much mod content as has come for Skyrim, idk how they felt that Starfield was even close to ready for release. Or look at something like the "Frost" mods for FO4, an entire rebuild of the game. Starfield is just so shallow, like there's nothing to do except download nsfw load screen replacer mods because you're gonna be looking at them . . . . for a lonnnngggg time
The shake up to game design from Daggerfall to Morrowind is what saved Bethesda. But since then, they've done nothing. Their game design is the same, every game feels the same, they're Bethesda games, you know? It's a genre unto itself. But as we can see, every aspect of their games has deteriorated. Less choice/consequence/immersion, less reactivity, less quest variety, less depth in writing, lore, world building, less rpg elements. And the tone and subject matter of the games has gotten safer and blander.
The best we'll get for ES6 is Fallout 4 but worse.
WRONG.
Why do people think they'll come back from Starfield? We saw the innocuous radiant quests from Skyrim become a major portion of Fallout 4's campaign. And we saw the most hated aspect of Fallout 4 -Preston Garvey and the infinite radiant trash become the main design pillar of Starfield. The hand crafted content is now the peripheral side stuff that's tucked away. They're not gonna suddenly walk back this trend.
ES 6's writing will just be some wiki entries fed into Chat GPT, and the whole map will be proc gen. But there will be 1000s of hand crafted food items and bespoke pieces of junk for no damn reason.
Will Shen left the company to work on other open world RPG's. Why? Cause Emil has all the power, and he's steering the game design further and further into shallow, simple, and dumb. You don't leave the biggest RPG company in the business to go make RPG's. Unless there's something terribly wrong.
Emil is complete garbage.
I've been at the point of not wanting TES6 to ever come out for a long while, the absolute atrocities of Starfield, Fallout 4, and canonizing that horrendous show have brought me to the point of hoping they shut down before they can further defile two of the once best settings in RPGs into hideous mockeries of themselves.
@@notsae66 possible now that if they release it and it's garbage, Microsoft could separate Bethesda from it's IPs. Unlikely, but that avenue was not available before.
@@philipajfry Other than Emil's timely retirement or death, that's about the only hope we have left. Unfortunately, Microsoft doesn't have the best record for this kind of thing, as 343's existence attests to.
Yeah, but they DO have Obsidian in their employ. But again, highly unlikely. Wait, does Tim Cain still work there?!? Ah, it's a pipe dream. They could at the very least outsource for more games, faster. Microsoft doesn't want 1 game a decade from Bethy. The IP's they lord over are more profitabke than they are productive.
Nah, I disagree. Im sick of acting like bethesda is some fallen from perfection company. They tried to sell you Skyrim like 3 times at full price before FO4 came out. They had good games in the past, but they have been up there right next to EA in how scummy their business tactics are. And yes, bethesda's incredibly buggy games are a sign of a lack of effort.
Its sadly not just Bethesda.
Look at the R6 series and Call of Duty.
Both of these series were serious terrorist/war based titles. Not gonna lie Siege was good. And yes it WAS good. I remember the time when operators looked like actual soldiers. Same goes for 2019 Modern Warfare and Modern Warfare 2&3. I mean Nicki Minaj in a Cod game? Tf? Both of them looks/feels like Fortnite and this is what will gonna destroy both series.
Tom Clancy if i remember correctly died around 2013. And i was lucky to play older titles when i was little.
I was stunned how every CoD game were unique to Call Of Duty Ghosts. After that we had that very futuristic era of the series,but i can't even say those were worse than the current games. Even Advanced Warfare had a mindblowinf story. Then 2019's MW got released and i had hopes which were vanished when i saw Vanguard. ColdWar was a good game (in my opinion). Zombies were insane and actually brought new mechanisms and game modes also the Story is a 10/10.
I don't have much to say about R6 series. I skipped Vegas1&2,but older titles like Raven Shield&Athena Sword were insane.
Operators feels like actual soldiers and not some guy with a motorcycle helmet. Not to mention its ambient of the game. Released in 2003&04 and it feels like i'm a real operator in that game. Even Ai's aim is insane on the hardest mode and the most important part is the planning. Yeah you can do that in Raven Shield&Athena sword (i played these 2 only). When to use breaching charges or smoke and even the code mechanism where you have 1 team waiting while the other gets in position and once you get there just give them the code to breach and smoke the terrorist from both sides 😂
I'm a 24 year old guy,but these developers made me sad.
Morrowind was the peak.
@@Bdavis2475 Oblivion was decent, but that's where all of the laziness started, sadly. Bethesda has sucked. Skyrim wasn't that great but was decent. They haven't made a good RPG since 2002.
@@husky3goblivion was the better game but morrowing was the better RPG
Yeah, people defend them to much when i reality it is the community that made Skyrim and such "good". Inreality it is pretty subpar RPGs.
Obsidian gave them the winning formula back with New Vegas. Buggy game + great writing= classic. Yet Bethesda continues to follow their formula buggy game+ paid mods+ terrible writting= trash
Too bad Obsidian degradated too, created shallow and mediocre The Outer Worlds. Hopefully Avowed will be better.
@@Tito_michi Ngl, it looks kinda janky.
New Vegas is the winning formula how exactly? Practically every gameplay element in it is done much better in Fallout 4. Combat, open world design, dungeons, customization...
"B-but muh eight gajillion ending slides and talk-no-jutso!"
Just watch a UA-cam compilation or walkthrough if all you care about is the story. That way you save money and don't have to waste time slogging through New Vegas' mediocre gameplay.
@@PeteyPirahna77 They hated Jesus because he spoke the truth.
I need some of that Psychojet homeboy is using, Fallout 3's gameplay is abysmally outdated, NV released the same year as Red Dead 1 and NV has no diagonal movement, iron sights are misaligned, _"but muh story tho"_
@@detectivemadoka69420 Obsidian had an 18 month forced deadline and had to use bethesda's shitty tech. Any issues you have with new vegas beyond writing are inherently bethesda's fault. Also, if you don't care about story, you're bethesda's primary demographic. I can see why you'd prefer slop with decent shooting to an actual game.
Bethsda also doesent understand what fallout is supposed to be. its supposed to be a post post apocalyptic. In one and two we see the wasteland growing building houses towns being built but im four and three after two hundred years people are still living in destroyed buildings with skeltons and no one has cleaned anything
and skyrim npcs wear dirt on their face 24/7 with a stream 10 ft from their houses.
@@KidGimmick true I never noticed that
but if bethesda made a game about just living in a post-nuclear civilization, it wouldn't be as fun. The point of fallout is the wasteland, if it was all controlled and populated, it looses the real post appocolytic feel.
@@silasmoriarty539 new Vegas is debatabley the most fun fall out game and that one is post post apocalyptic. Same with 2 and to a lesser extent 1 shady sands rebuilt dug a well ECT in the East Coast people have done nothing but kill each other for 200 years no new cities no clean water no government ECT
@tristainmyers458 it's almost like the East Coast games are about them finally rebuilding wowww.
Fallout 4 even mentions the Commonwealth almost had a provisional government and the institute fucked it up. You people never pay attention.
Adam Adamowicz was the main reason why the older Fallout games (Fallout 3) under Bethesda were so good especially Oblivion and left a huge impact.
Sadly his passing back in 2012 resulted in a lack of creativity and inconsistency in the newer Bethesda games
I strongly disagree about the Kellogg mission. I can't stand it. It's everything wrong with modern games. It's just generic "tug at your heart strings" character tropes that desperately try to get you to feel for this horrible character that you have little to no in game interaction with, all the while forced through a walking simulator.
This is a pretty decent video, but I disagree with this point a lot.
U can just skip all the dialogues, i always walk straight to the end
If it was a side mission and not a main story mission it would be way better.
@@notlilfijiwater I just install a mod that completely skips the entire segment, even faster than that.
@@calculator91it would’ve been really the same tbh tho there wouldn’t be reason to go threw Kellogg’s brain if that was the case they would’ve had make different reasoning for that
Fallout’s 4 writing, worldbuilding, quest design, and lack of rpg mechanics really drag it down. It’s still a good game but it will never be as replay able as new Vegas
So, it's COD without the multiplayer? I mean, someone's gotta pick up that mantle if Activision won't, i guess.
The only counter argument to New Vegas is that you have to mod it to make it work. So what? You have to mod FO4 to make it bearable to play and once you mods New Vegas it becomes the best game ever made tailored to your desires. What more could you ask for?
A nice shooter but not a good game
@@jordandennis6794 I have to disagree. It should have been a good shooter if it was made in 2007. Back when COD4 came out. For 2015 it is not a good shooter. It is mediocre compared to every other shooter that exist.
@@pantsonfire2216 I actually have to disagree with the "mod to make it work". I have played it a lot without mods, and it worked just fine then. I had no more issues than playing something like Skyrim unmodded.
However. Its not like Bethesda games are known for buggy games that they never fix. Or are we going to ignore that the "Unofficial Bug Fixes" are basically mandatory mods for all of Bethesda's games today? They are so mandatory that they are officially on the consoles as "creations". And those bug fixes changes so much to the game that a game without them are basically unrecognizable to each other.
Lead Skyrim Designer, Bruce Nesmith, stated they changed when billions from FO SHELTER and other mobile trash flooded in. Zenimax aggressively pivoted EVERY IP. Everything from the Creation Club shops injected and other monetizing started up and the days of half hearted content began. Why make quality when idiots can buy cometics and other overpriced microtransaction garbage.
I'm still waiting for the day people start to realize just how bad Zenimax is. We love to rage about Ubisoft and EA being greedy all the time, yet somehow Zenimax has remained under the radar. All it takes is to play a few hours of ESO to realize just how absurdly evil and deluded ZoS is.
@@jonathanalexander9881 Well, Microsoft is over Bethesda now, so Zenimax as the management company is all but dead. Bethesda basically had no say in the merger so they are at the mercy of Microsoft.
You are correct - around the time Fallout Shelter was released, Bethesda too a HUGE turn to try and monetize EVERYTHING. I'm old enough to remember when Bethesda tried to force paid mods into Skyrim on Steam in 2015 and pissed off the entire internet for trying to fuck with a 4-year old game's already established mod scene.
People being WILLING to buy microtransaction bullshit has killed the gaming industry because companies stopped focusing on quality and started focusing on monetization. If they monetize a game enough, if they don't sell many copies, they'll still make money from microtransaction bullshit. I haven't paid for microtransactions in any game and I don't play mobile games. I tried Pokemon Go in 2016 when it released but having to buy fucking Pokeballs was the dumbest shit I'd ever seen and immediately stopped playing it.
Greed has destroyed all AAA studios via microtransactions. It is going to take a massive paradigm shift for people to finally wake up and stop buying games and paying for microtransactions from greedy companies.
The voiced protagonist and f*cked dialogue system in FO4 was a huge betrayal.
"betrayal" lmao
I don't get why this is such a big deal for so many. The main character talks now. Yes, real humans are voicing the lines. And both actors did a good job. What is the problem here? And the new dialogue system is bad, huh? I don't know if you played through Fallout 3 and New Vegas, but their dialogue systems are hot garbage. And I'm probably sticking my face into a bee hive here, but the original Fallouts 1&2 are flawed in this regard as well. Bethesda actually tried to up their game with Fallout 4 and largely succeeded, but got negative feedback anyway. I think this is one reason that's largely overlooked, as to why Starfield pretty much sucks; they got gaslit by the feedback from Fallout 4 and they don't think they can make good games anymore.
@@GestaltElias dont mind voiced protagonist, but it came with the downside of the shitty system. And no, new vegas had a good system, with ACTUAL CHOICES and SKILLCHECKS. You know, stuff you like if you are an Rpg-fan. Fallout 4 shat all over that.
@@Daniel-uk6yr I do agree with Bethesda not using proper RPG mechanics for Fallout 4 was a huge missed opportunity. But, that's how they roll. Over the years their games have lost that classical RPG feel, where your character build actually matters in how you can play the game. I don't think it's so much a conscious choice to cater their games to a "larger audience", it's just that they've lost the expertise and the vision necessary to implement these mechanics into their games. Always loved how your character build in Fallout 1&2 changes the game. Now it's just a bunch of insignificant stat boosts at best.
@@GestaltElias new vegas took the FO3 template and improved in many ways. Instead of taking the cue bethesda just rolled in the opposite direction and wasted all potential.
Bethesda was never a "competent" studio (given the endless bugs in every of their games) but at least in older games it felt like they cared way way more than nowadays. Now they obviously just want your money.
It all began when the old Morrowind team left and Todders was upgraded from coffee-boy to team leader
Daggerfall is easily one of the funnest games I’ve ever played, Bethesda is an abusive spouse I keep going back too
Yeah, but I'm tired of people complaining about "paid mods". There's a solution. Don't buy them and get the free ones. (While they're still free, before modders start becoming UA-camrs who self-censor because they're too lazy to work real jobs and make videos just for fun)
If you are tired of people complaining then dont click on a video with a title like that where you know before hand that someone will be complaining. The video is also about paid mods in general but rather about bethesda as a game studio in general.
Also, if you are one of the people that accepts paid mods with little to no or even worse stolen content then thats your thing, but not everyone is that stupid you know ;)
@@CheesyX2 I never buy mods. No one has to, either. If Bethesda was somehow preventing the use of free mods made by independent modders, then I would sympathize with the complaints. But if payed mods are just low quality OPTIONAL content, then I don't see what the problem is. Just don't buy them and download better free ones. The title never specifies this "problem" was even going to be discussed and it doesn't need to be. Of all of Bethesda's faults, this one is only problem if you got tricked into paying for their stuff.
Bethesda died to me the day Starfield released. I have no further concern for anything they do.
Hopefully elder scrolls 6 and fallout 5 revive some of the fan base that stepped away from Bethesda
Very tolerant of you, they died after skyrim
Did you play 76? It is horrible. No way Starfield can be worse! Can it??
@@Vaultyboi no It’s actually very good and it’s everything you would want with a few downsides. It’s an infinite sandbox and gameplay loop
@@DomyWomySalami Bethesda have shown they are no longer capable of making good RPGs , perhaps they can get back to the handcrafted open world action-adventure games that are at least enjoyable again.
26:04 i chose stormcloaks because they are racist
Based
Are they racist because they wish to preserve their ethnic distinctiveness? Or because they hate cat-people? I don't remember.
13:20 the thing is most of the team behind fallout New Vegas, who also had worked on fallout 1 and 2, are now gone from Obsidian. The most authentic image of what was fallout was 1 and 2 and had ended with new Vegas. It’ll probably never fit the vibes of those games again whether obsidian or Bethesda are working on it sadly.
Firearms in fallout 4 look shit
The Assault rifle & institute weapons are. Everything else.... I'll give it a pass ish
the writing is shit as well
Mods
@@WealthWireCreators the fuck kinda excuse is that? You can replace whatever you want with mods in any game, doesn't change the fact that the game itself sucks.
@@flabbywall1780 Plasma weapons as well. I feel like they made some weapons too bulky so that they look alright when used with power armor. Like the 10mm pistol, and aforementioned plasma weapons and the assault rifle. Also, including a modular Thompson in the game but not letting you use stick mags should be a crime.
Just yesterday I talked with a friend of mine about Bethesdas priorisation of scale over actual content and how it negatively impacts their newer games. Far Harbour is a prime example how a smaller but densly packed Island is preferable to the spacious Nuka World, where you basically just shoot at things.
Honestly? Fair point. I will always recomend people pick up the far harbour DLC for fallout 4 if they haven't already. I have not once recomended nuka world. The sheer difference in writting and ending outcomes is clear as hell. One, is shallow, pick your 2 flavours of raider to support their take over of the park and parts of the commonwealth, or wipe them out. Binary.
For far harbour. To brutally sumarize it. There are... a few different ending outcomes.
All factions coexist, thanks to arcadia.
the children of atom are wiped out, but arcadia and the harbour remains.
The inverse, arcadia and the children of atom remain.
And of course... the chaotic option. Destroy both far harbour and the children of atom, then sick either the brotherhood of steel or the institute on arcadia to finish the job, and wipe the island clean... unless you already killed both the BOS and institute, then you just have to do things, manually (I forget if they are essential NPCS)
I wonder if there is an option to make peace between the children and the harbourmen, then wipe out arcadia?
Either way, the potential outcomes in far harbour are far more impactful than that in nuka world. Even if what happens on the island, remains contained TO, the island.
The other reason is one of the last good writers at bethesda was working on far harbour, so that helped.
You know why Far Harbour is so beloved? A different lead writer.
@@Duchess_Van_Hoof As it also turns out, my favourite sidequests in the base game were also written by the same writer.
@@Destroyer_V0 And he left the company like 6 months ago or so.
@@michaelgallagher518 YUP. It's why my hopes for the next bethesda game cratered
Starfield was the bomb that killed bethesda. A fking letdown game, where we could have TES or a new Fallout
Tbh if they hadn’t messed up SOOOO HORRIBLY with FO76, I think they would have been able to “survive”… but now? Yeah. FO76 and then Starfield… Nope!
I'd like a new Fallout, just not from them.
@@OCTO358 their problem is the story, they need to rehire Chris Avellone
@@magnusx8615 It isn't just the story, it's the tone, the world building, the writing, the very design choices that has lead to Fo76 and starfield. Also Chris Avellone never worked for Bethesda.
@@magnusx8615 not just the story. The gameplay of each their consecutive release gets watered down more and more as well. Plus I never liked their vision of what Fallout should be as a setting.
Imagine a game where Obsidian does the writing/RPG mechanics, Bethesda does the open world, and ID software or some other shooter company owned by Microsoft does the combat. Guaranteed 10/10 game of the year
I’ll be happy with a remaster NV
@@Ro6nsI'd rather get a new good game entirely instead of redoing NV's storyline, I'm getting burnt out on remasters and remakes at this point.
All Bethesda does is the writing, the game engine is Gamebryo which is made by Gamebase Co. Ltd/Gamebase USA.
TBF modern Obsidian isn't the Obsidian that it was.
@@OCTO358 oh I'm well aware lol but even outer worlds had MUCH better dialogue, and their RPG mechanics are still good
Bethesda crapped all over their own legacy with Starfield. The benefit of using a decades old engine is you have a springboard in which you can recycle a lot of things and they still somehow ended up with a less featured, less detailed game than they’ve ever released.
I hate how every Bethesda game feels like Skyrim. They all play the same, all the side quests are copy pasted, and the stories just keep getting lazier. I used to love Bethesda, now they're going down the path Ubisoft went down.
Don't act like the current writing team could make a story nearly as compelling as Daggerfall, Morrowind, or even Oblivion. These are different people entirely from the ones who used to make these games.
Bethesda died with "it just works"
At least we got a kickass song out of it. By Chalkeaters.
How do you buy some of the biggest IP's and ruin them? I'll ask disney
To be honest, Fallout wasn't a big IP when Bethesda bought it. It was a relatively unknown game, popular in a very minor community of RPG game lovers, and at that time game industry wasn't popular as it is today. Big money came to the industry after the crisis of 2008.
Bethesda did revive Fallout, bringing new fans (me included, I started the series with Fallout 3, then played 1 and 2 and became a hardcore fan) and they deserve some credit. However things are becoming more and more about money, not about creativity, and Bethesda changed as well.
I have nothing against Bethesda's interpretation of Fallout but the games at least should be written well. All I see is them being lazy, arrogant and greedy.
TES VI will be the final nail in the coffin.
Sadly you're probably right
I hope not because that will be a tragic waste of a great IP. But I am very skeptical that studio can produce anything of quality anymore.
Imagine is TES VI comes out and it looks like Starfield 😢
Nah I have faith. I do agree that if TES VI fails that will definitely be the end of Bethesda because hell even I would join the hate bandwagon at that point but TES is the franchise that saved them, it’s the franchise that made them a giant, and it’s the franchise they are most familiar with I have faith they could make another good Elder Scrolls game. They just need to get the exploration right.
@Guava11534 I believe starfield was too ambitious for these guys. the limitations they have due to creation engin being ass, its literally the reason for the half of the problems with starfield. Endless loading screens, not being able to land on a planet without a fast travel, invisible walls on planets, all of this basically ruin the whole impression and feel to the game. Obviously, the lack of content is also a huge bummer which is because of their whole random ass generation system. So yeah, exploration (which always was a strong point in bethesda games.) really suck in starfield.
Now the next elder scrolls, it's totally a deferent case, there is not gonna be over 1000 planets. Its just one big map like we always had in ES and fallout games, so we can explore that whole map without any loading screen and Hopefully, they will give us much more handcrafted content. (So we might see that famous bethesda environmental storytelling again.)
But my actual concerns are the writing, quest design, combat, and animations (specially the facial animation) and I dont think any of this important aspect of the game going to be that great. (just look at their history...) and more I think about it, when the game finally releases in probably 2028; if you just lower your expectations, it might not actually be that much of a bad experience. (If they don't completely screw it.)
It's funny how you give a pass to morrorwind and oblivion for being much older. But literally less time passed between morrorwind and skyrim, then skyrim and today. Let that sink in.
Welcome in, sink 🚪
Fr just admit that he like skyrim and be done with it
If people didn’t buy skyrim and fallout 4 so many separate times we wouldn’t be waiting this long in between games
@@ytmld I only bought Skyrim Special Edition on the Switch, Xbox and PC and that was it. For Fallout 4, Xbox and PC
@@Mejustme101 "and that was it", lol. Buying a game more than once is ridiculous.
You say “a lot more voice actors” making it better but even with more voice actors the dialogue was simplistic and boring
Sometimes I think modern computergame programming is not about making the customers happy, it´s about profit maximation and satisfying the stockholders!
Eventually that’s bound to bite them back real hard. Problem is too many people are too stupid to no realize the developer companies don’t actually care about making customers happy. I haven’t bought a single Bethesda game since Skyrim Special Edition. And the reason why is mostly to do with Fallout 4’s weapons and armor that do not align with previous titles.
3:54 “Fallout 4 made some monumental improvements over the previous games.”
Yes and no. In terms of overall gameplay, that can’t be denied. Fallout 4 undeniably has much better gameplay than its predecessors and this is coming from a veteran of 3 and New Vegas. But it fails in so many other aspects.
What I will never forgive Bethesda for is taking away the weapons and armor that were seen in previous games. Why the fuck did they take away the AR-15 platform and the Browning guns found in New Vegas? I loved those weapons to death and as someone who loves to roleplay as a soldier, an AR platform and a 9mm pistol are my bread and butter weapons. Instead we are given stupid-looking slop of guns that are based on old designs that were previously seen in World War I. The “assault rifle” is prime example of this. A stupid concept of a water-cooling system for what is essentially a light machine gun judging by its size. If you know even the most barebones basics of gun design, you would realize that is an absolute negative IQ move especially when you realize water-cooled guns have been phased out before World War II.
Thank God modders are trying to save this game from Todd Coward’s slimy hands. It is thanks to modders and modders alone that I can replace the shitty-looking guns in Fallout 4 with New Vegas-inspired modern weapons and armor.
It’s more than clear that Bethesda is extremely jealous of Obsidian making the most successful Fallout game among the core fanbase despite being given only 18 months of development time. All in all, I love the Fallout and Skyrim but I hate Bethesda.
>"Fallout 4 undeniably has much better gameplay than its predecessors and this is coming from a veteran of 3 and New Vegas"
Even then it's debatable. Yes, the animations and feedback are better, but at the same time it's much more simplified than New Vegas. Fever weapons (I don't consider two same weapons with different mods as separate weapons), no ammo types, no damage threshold, no partial reloads with revolvers and shotguns (tbf there's no pump action shotguns in FO4 at all), no different melee moves you can learn, no disguises (and reputation system as a whole), no implants.
I mean, sure, being able to build your own robots is cool and settlement building has its fans (even though Bethesda relied too much on it as a crutch to help them fill the game world), but that's not really something I've expected from a Fallout game, you know?
Going back to damage resist instead of damage threshold was already a huge down-grade from New Vegas. Replacing ammo types with legendary effects was just bad and cemented the game as a looter shooter, rather than an RPG.
The "Assault Rifle" is so bad that a guy actually did a video dedicated to tearing it down, all by itself. He's done videos on other bad weapon designs, including other weapons from Fallout 4, the problems with some of the guns of New Vegas and even Starfield.
@@Mirthful_MidoriI know who you’re referring to. BrandyBoy, am I right? Yeah he tore those guns down to dust and rightfully so. Bethesda should have followed from New Vegas and maybe, just maybe, they actually would have been in a much better place. I’m not saying they should keep the engine. If anything, I like the updated engine Fallout 4 and 76 have. But keeping or improving the weapons and armor from 3 and New Vegas would have been THE Fallout game.
@@nicholascauton9648 That's exactly who I was thinking of. He actually uploaded a video on the TV show's guns now, too. I can only assume he tears into the desert eagle with the junk glued on it.
@@Mirthful_MidoriHe basically does tear into those guns from the show. In fact, he’s actually “impressed” that the show runners went out of their way to materialize the Fallout 4 “assault rifle” when they really didn’t have to do that.
Fallout 4 becomes another game when you play it on survival mode. Wastelands starts to feel dangerous, settlements become important. It adds a lot to the game value and immersion.
Yk, in my new game ima try that out, I really wanna experience a comeplete hell where you need to camp and stay as safe as possible
Just wait till people realize that their last good game was Morrowind
For me it was Skyrim
Their last good game was daggerfall
@@eternalsummer8409 That was amazing for it's time.
Morrowind was the start of the de-RPG-ification of the Elder Scrolls as Daggerfall had better RPG mechanics.
@@deantrail6789 Never played, will take a look
Please Bethesda, return to Oblivion time.
Oblivion was just as flawed in the story and writing department as every other release since, Morro was the last entry they had that wasn't completely streamlined and dumbed down.
Bethesda finally lost me when starfield released. I absolutely love oblivion and Skyrim, but these lazy idiots managed to basically not improve so many things after so many years of developing, that’s absolutely insane.
At that moment, I realized that we’re all going to cry when elder scrolls 6 releases because it will be bad.
LMAO! that Jordan Peterson edit was fantastic! Thanks for the video.
You nailed it. The potential has always been there, but the effort is always inconsistent or passed off to the modder. Bethesda, like BioWare, is a corporate version of what used to be an artist's haven.
The problem with Fallout is that with Fallout 3 took the superficial aspects of classic Fallout and wrapped TES with it.
Yeah the presence of radscorpions, deathclaws, super mutants, BoS etc is super unhinged in Fallout 3. It's like a theme park based on Fallout 1+2. They could have introduced a whole bunch of new factions and creatures etc, and that would have been really cool. But nah, they were just like 'do the things'
Personally I’m not totally against that. I’m grateful the gameplay engine is more fluid thanks to the sprinting which was missing from 3 and New Vegas. Which to me was always strange considering CoD 4: Modern Warfare released the year before Fallout 3.
Besides that though, everything else was terribly executed. The weapons look piss-poor functional, the armors look stupid, when they had so much to work with from previous games. A lot of Fallout weapons were pop culture icons from the Cold War and before meaning they didn’t have to put extra unnecessary effort in making cursed guns.
@@nicholascauton9648sprinting never shouldve been added to gaming at all 😂
I played Oblivion back in the day on physical release and all the lack of immersion was just as much there as it was in Skyrim. The clunky, stilted dialogue, the cut-paste environments, the lack of variety in voice acting resulting in npcs talking to copies of themselves, the lack of reactivity in the world in light of an actual apocalypse.
None of this is new.
Your first time playing Fallout 4 mirrors mine exactly. It was the first game I ever pre-ordered, and the night before it launched I made an effort of going to bed early, so I could play for a couple hours before school. The whole day I was just waiting to get home so I could play more. No game has made me feel that way since.
I'll keep saying it: Fallout 4's protagonist is a pale shadow of what CD Projekt red accomplished with V and Geralt: If you want to give your character a fixed backstory and voice, then go all in and treat him like an already established character, an RPG can work fine even with such protagonist.
Look at BG3, Origin characters absolutely do not make the game less immersive or less of an RPG. How about Harry Dubois from Disco Elysium? No dice.
The reason the voiced protagonist doesn't work in Fallout 4 is that the dialogues, just like the rest of the story, are badly written, plain and simple.
I wouldn't call Fallout 4, Witcher 3 and Cyberpunk 2077 RPGs. Witcher 3 is a fun open world action adventure game. Cyberpunk is something similar but it's not an RPG. Fallout 4 has no identity. Open world FPS with building settlements as main mechanics... who asked for such game? Oh, and they went even further and made Abomination 76
I wouldn't be so mad at Bethesda if their writing wasn't so bad.
@@Khannah69 I call them RPG lites, makes things easier to explain.
Fallout 4 tried to be the same thing, but its writing and RPG elements are so weak it's not even funny.
I couldn't play Witcher because I didn't like Geralt. Maybe that's why I prefer Fallout and Morrowind style protagonists.
I don't think we can compare these games, they are too different.
The problems are that they need to ditch the creation engine, make the games feel like an RPG again with your choices mattering, and better writing. Balder's gate three beats almost all Bethesda games.
I think Daggerfall and Morrowind are on par or nearly on par with baldurs gate 3, obviously comparing crpgs to arpgs is like apples and oranges in every category except story and writing, since the style in which the game is presented has different strengths and limitations which inform the specific design choices of the world and the RPG mechanics utilized. When it comes to writing and story pre-oblivion Bethesda games are some of the best, up there with arcanum, fallout 1, 2 and NV, Baldur's Gate, Divinity original sin 2 and other phenomenal RPGs.
@@Sumoniggro Fallout 1,2&NV are not Bethesda.
The engine is a minor issue, writing and game design are bigger issues. If they gave Starfield Morrowind's depth and handcrafted content, it would be a masterpiece.
I disagree. Baldurs gate 3 is just a different game, technically they both are RPGs (or Bethesda claims their games to be...) but different RPGs. I don't think we can compare them. Fallout or TES made in Baldurs gate 3 style will lack elements we used to love in previous games and, to be honest, I don't want it. I want something like New Vegas.
Update the Creation Engine, not ditch it. The ease of modding their games is a huge reason to buy their games. They also need to update their formula. There's plenty of room for improvement on every level but their soundtrack. Lol. That's probably the only real top-tier element of their games. Exploration is a close second.
I have little optimism for TES6
Same.
It's hard to, tbh I wish there was a good tes competitor.
Get back to Navarro Sergent
@@supergenius6256 Watch Avowed just be TES but better in every conceivable way lol
@BrainsAndBeats_ Eh, I'm looking at The Wayward Realms rn. It's being made by an original Daggerfall dev, Ted Peterson. It's supposed to be the spiritual successor to daggerfall, so yeah. It is a procedurally generated world, though, so don't go in expecting skyrim 2.0.
I hate how it's so hard to criticize Bethesda without eventually getting people with stupid opinions on your side. No, I don't dislike the Fallout show because there was a female protagonist or because a trans character appeared for .000001 seconds, I dislike it because the storytelling isn't very solid and has a lot of logic gaps and plotholes.
That is exactly 100% my line of thought as well. Morons with brain-rot opinions can ruin the best arguments due to association. I’m actually certain half the brain-rot opinions are trolls attempting to intentionally ruin any discussion.
Just steer clear of Synthetic Man, he’s most of the stupidity and throwing trash at the wall to see what sticks
Nah, not just that. It was pure woke trash.
@@theyawningowlbear6758 Donald Trump's brother was on the board of directors at Zenimax and after his death Bethesda wrote a public thank you letter to him.
I like how someone proved your point after two comments saying "it was wpke trash“ probably because the main character was a woman
I think both Starfield and The Outer Worlds are the last nails in the coffin for Bethesda and Obsidian. And that means the RPGs they make as well.
Criticism of Fallout 4 for lack of choices, yet praising Oblivion is crazy hypocritical. Those games don’t have any choices or role playing options in the story.
It's because elder scrolls is that way. Fallout isn't supposed to be
@@akeecheyta weak argument but okay
exactly, people always judge Fallout 4 because of it's dialogue wheel but in reality Fallout 4 has way better dialogue choices compared to Skyrim and Oblivion.
you guys are getting 500 caps for the radiant fetch quests?
You guys are getting paid?
You guys do quests?
People don't criticise fallout 3 because its "become popular to hate it". They criticise it because the criticism is accurate and deserved
I remember watching one interview where one commenter stated that the downfall occurred at Skyrim. After the success of that game Todd & Bethesda figured that their (censored) couldn't stink.
But seriously, I am watching behind-the-scenes for Starfield and I find out they never even had a central design document for the game. I watch another video to watch Bethesda's lead writer telling staff not to worry about story because WE will never stop to enjoy it anyways. Maybe it's time for Microsoft to have Todd focus on the engine he's been neglecting for the past decade and let OTHER people do the writing.
They have not used a game design dlcument since morrosind because Emil and i quote "keeping it updated was too much work". As lead writer it was HIS job to keep it updated so it would remain useful to his team
I mostly agree with the points made in this video. The first Bethesda game I played was Daggerfall. It does not have the detailed, hand crafted world of later games. Those who complain about the heavy reliance on procedural generation in Starfield will recognize the same issue with Daggerfall. However, this was way back in the 1990s, and for its time, Daggerfall was a bold and risky experiment. Furthermore, Daggerfall has a depth to its RPG mechanics that few RPGs - from any developer - can match. The reputation system alone is incredibly detailed. By today's standards, Daggerfall is clunky, unapproachable, and difficult. (I just love watching newbies struggle with the tutorial dungeon.) Even so, people interested in Bethesda's history should check it out. If you can master Daggerfall, you'll gain some street cred with cantankerous old gamers like me.
I would place Bethesda's peak at Morrowind. It retains some of the systemic depth of Daggerfall, but in a game world with a more reasonable scale and with a lot more hand crafted content. Writing has never been Bethesda's greatest strength, and I don't consider Morrowind (or Daggerfall, for that matter) as a masterpiece in this regard, but I find the main story, the DLC stories, and the faction quests mostly superior to those that came later, though Oblivion is also relatively strong. There are some problems with Morrowind. The leveling system, in particular, is artificial, contrived, and thoroughly immersion-breaking. This is best resolved by installing a leveling mod. Oblivion is a similar situation, but it manages to be even worse - not paying close attention when accumulating skills and leveling can throw the game way off balance. Skyrim, in its simplicity, has some advantages here, and popular leveling mods for Morrowind and Oblivion use some of Skyrim's methodology. In general, I find Skyrim to be a rich, detailed world that is fun to explore, and the game works well if it is treated as a fantasy life sim where the character wanders aimlessly and hoards useless loot. These are activities that I enjoy - they constitute a sort of mindless fun that is just right after a hard day's work. Unfortunately, Skyrim is shallow, an unfortunate fact that becomes clear to anyone who closely interrogates whatever passes for story lines. The main quest is a parade of clichés that has few memorable moments. The civil war story line is a particularly fine example of ineptitude in video game writing and quest design; the game would be better off without it. It's clearly half baked and thrown together. There are some fun little plot twists in some of the faction quests, so it isn't all bad, but they have little effect on the static game world. Despite all this, I love Skyrim for everything that it does well, but when I consider the games that came after, I fear that Bethesda has learned many bad lessons from Skyrim. I also love Fallout 4, but generally for the same reasons that I love Skyrim. It's a good world in which to engage in some aimless wandering and junk collecting, but I have a hard time engaging with the stories and factions. I've never completed the game because, every time I start it, I get bored with the stories and end up building ugly buildings out of junk. (I avoid Preston like the plague, though. I don't want to get caught up in his repetitive nonsense, and I install mods to reduce settlement-related annoyances.)
I haven't bought Starfield. It doesn't look promising. Maybe in a few years, I'll buy it on sale and see what the modders have done with it. I have little hope for subsequent games - we will have to look elsewhere for high quality RPGs. Hopefully, Larian will continue to deliver.
Larian is the modern day goat for RPGs (if you like crpgs) Divinity original sin 2 and Baldur's Gate 3 are some of the best RPGs ever made, Morrowind and Daggerfall are up there with these two games as well as fallout 1, 2 and New Vegas, arcanum, and plainscape torment just to name a few.
“Before Fallout 4 Bethesda was spotless!”
Bro Stfu, no they were not. Almost all they’re games and certain aspects that sucked about them. They weren’t masterpieces. Good but, not that great.
What are you talking about? He brings up 3 and Skyrim both? Did you watch the whole video or just the first few minutes.
@@jxw457 But, they were spotless? They were perfect? No problems whatsoever and anybody who criticizes is a hater?
@@jxw457 This some Bethesda dick riding fan boy behavior.
@@KingofFreaksNo game has ever been spotless and perfect. Like im not even exaggerating I’ve been gaming since I was 5 and I don’t think I’ve ever played a game without some sort of bug or glitch. Some funny some frustrating, oblivion, Skyrim, fallout 3 were all fantastic games
They largely were perceived as spotless. Even still, look at how many fell for Fallout 76.
Saying "a lot of artists try to innovate over and over, and every time you try to set a new standard in an industry, you're taking a huge risk" while talking about Bethesda, the company that's literally been making the same game for 20+ years, might just be the strongest huff of copium I ever heard anybody take
At 5:20, that's not a bullet casing. Thats actually Kellog's XP gain sound effect
Bethesda is dead? I didn't even know it was sick.
Microsoft should remove Howard and hire Avellone...
emil is the bigger problem. if they removed howard and emil and made avelone head writer that would do wonders
@@chuck_muckleEmil is the saddest excuse for a writer
@@Zero-eq7mp truly
Howard is the face of Bethesda. He’s more then a director, he’s a PR marketing guru. His face sells the game.
Avellone ain't gonna marry you lil bro
People have been saying this sense Marrowind came out. I'll believe it when I see it.
Starfield isn't awful. I don't understand why everyone hates on it so hard. Re-playability is pretty limited but I thoroughly enjoyed my first playthrough despite the issues.
You are the problem.
@@Minutemensurvivalist99 hahaha, no, you are
@@dallasmed65 I don't like garbage games. You do.
@@Minutemensurvivalist99 I think the game is great. You're obviously a fan of Fallout 4, and that game gets shit on daily. Put yourself in my shoes. We all have our own preferences and opinions.
@@dallasmed65 I like Fallout 4 because I treat it as a survival and shooter game with rpg elements (which is what it is) and not a full rpg game with survival and shooter aspects like New Vegas.
For most people who grew up with Morrowind, the line starts at Oblivion. That's when Bethesda started to strip roleplaying elements from their games in favour of more simple but soulless systems with the only real step forward being the combat mechanics, but even that depends on who you ask.
Problem are people, because no matter what Bethesda will do fans will always get hyped. Maybe now they reputation is on low, but if they release trailer for next Elders Scrolls or Fallout fanboys forget about that, and feel in to next hype madness like with Starfield. Because loot of peps attach own ego to Bethesda, so they will defend and consume.
are we gonna bring up how many people absolutely hated skyrim on release? it didn't even have mounted combat. they'll be fine. when bethesda's next game comes out, people will hate it for a year or so before liking it, too.
@@theghostofthomasjenkins9643Skyrim was well received on release.
@@Lerppunen riiight. no it wasn't. they said it dumbed down the game too much to appeal to casuals. it was buggy and broken. it was bare bones. people hated it.
I suppose I am a hater then. In 2011 Skyrim was my first RPG and ever since I played it, Oblivion and Morrowind I wanted more. It's at this point, when I discovered what else there was, that I realized just how inadequate Bethesda always was. Older games have much better overall quality, but that doesn't change the fact that they are overshadowed by the games much older and less technological. Baldur's Gate 1 and 2 combined have the fraction of content that any one of Bethesda's games has, and yet they feel infinitely larger and deeper. Dark Messiah Might and Magic, a source game from 2005 has a first person combat system so unbelievably superior to anything made in 20 years since that there's nothing to compare it to, even mentioning Bethesda's auto clicker simulators makes Elder Scrolls seem like it's stuck in the 90s. Bethesda always was mediocre at best, they simply got lucky.
I think with starfield and the last 2 fallout games its clear to see the things that made those games bad are also in their previous titles. But the previous titles always offered something that made it easy to forgive. It feels like the critiques that were made on FO3, Oblivion, Skyrim, and their other previous titles were turned into features of a bethesda game. Shallow writing, quantity over quality, dumbing down of gameplay mechanics, etc. Its a good thing that we are able to identify a Bethesda game just by looking at gameplay, identity is good. Playing a game that relies only on Identity instead of doing something new and interesting gets old. 3d rockstar games have a feel. Bully, Red dead, and GTA all play very similarly, yet they are all very different and actually have an interest in providing a fleshed out experience. I think of the Zelda series as well. Skyward sword was the Fallout4 of zelda in some aspects. It relied too heavily on the zelda formula. The next console zelda game was breath of the wild. Still keeping identity of zelda while changing so much and taking risks. Adaptation and change should be embraced. but corporations will never understand that. I will never wish for a company responsible for some of my best gaming memories to go under, but if they keep on this path I can see microsoft shutting them down. If a giant has to fall to shift the industry then so be it.
I remember watching the absolute shitshow that was starfield and thinking "if this is the game Todd wanted to make for so long, I'm terrified of the games he doesn't want to make"
It’s ridiculous we haven’t gotten neither a new Skyrim Game or a Fallout game.
They had all these studios like Arcane Austin and much more, and didn’t bother trying getting another Elder Scrolls Game and another Fallout game while working on Starfield.
Obsidian proposed an Elder Scrolls spin-off but Bethesda rejected it, so Obsidian turned the spin-off idea into Avowed.
And honestly The Outer Worlds is like fallout but in space and honestly I wanna see more of The Outer Worlds then either Fallout or Elder Scrolls.
And can’t wait for The Outer Worlds 2 that’s rumored to come out sometime in 2025 or 2026.
Did you already exhaust the thousands of hours of content in Fallout 3, 4, New Vegas, 76 yet? Their games are buggy as hell, but IMO they put exceptional detail into the small things in the game which makes me believe they do actually care about the content they release.
"a new Skyrim game" tells me everything I need to know, the series is called the elder scrolls, but TES games are RPGs so it's fitting to call them Skyrim games since RPG is not the genre that Bethesda has made games successfully in since Morrowind or at all since Oblivion.
@@SecretAgentBartFargo Bethesda get no credit for New Vegas, Obsidian are responsible for that masterpiece.
@@Sumoniggro Masterpiece? The game was unplayable day 1 and for years after with bugs. It's still incredibly buggy to this day and nearly unplayable on modern hardware without significant mods.
@@SecretAgentBartFargo A game having technical issues isn't even what the title masterpiece is even denoting, a buggy and crashing game that requires an unofficial patch to make playable is still better than anything Bethesda has released since Morrowind.
Hodd Toward's obsession with trying to retcon all of Old Obsidian's work with his own has been his undoing. His need to prove himself the better creator of Fallout games is what lead it down the shitter
Bethesda became greedy the moment they allowed Horse Armor to be a thing. That's what eventually led to Fallout 76
When it comes to Fallout 4, I loved the voiced characters. I hate when a game has silent MC's. I'd rather have a cool voice to mimic in my head, than coming up with my own. That's why games like Baldur's Gate and such never do it for me, I need a established voice for my character, otherwise the dialogue feels flat to me and never hits as it should, when my guy just stands there, silent.
You are way too kind and lenient to Bethesda's game quality. Even Morrowind, which is their best game ever with a truly great story and world, is still low quality game full of issues and bad design decisions. Their games have good exploration and that's it
If your unhappy with them just play kingdom come , a good game .
A good game but very janky combat. It's also realistic medieval/historical fiction and not high fantasy like Elder Scrolls.
@@husky3g yep still one of the best and most unique RPGs of the last 10 years for There 1st game it took balls and I gotta respect that
Fire Emil and we would get old Bethesda back. It’s that simple.
Right when Fallout 3 happened. We were told 200 endings
Complaining about the story in Fallout 3 is new to me...
Todd and his sweet little lies
16 times the detail. 🤭
Bethesda hasn't made a decent game since oblivion.
I don't understand why skyrim gets a free pass from everyone. It's the most water downed "rpg" ever. The internet and casuals made it popular.
Fallout 3 was mediocre at best
Skyrim is inanely overrated
Fallout 4 is just bad
Fallout 76 is disgrace
Starfield just shown all remaining Todd Howard apologists what Bethesda games are without being connected to beloved IPs and nostalgia baiting.
I am waiting on the original t.e.s, team's game to come out
...the ones who made arena? yeah, good luck with that lol.
You are talking about Wayward Realms. They are the Daggerfall team. Some were there for Arena and had some input for Morrowind, but they are basing Wayward Realms off of Daggerfall. It should be an interesting game but they are a small team and I doubt they can deliver what they want to bring. It also won't be nearly as polished of an experience as a true Elder Scrolls game but sadly neither will TES VI seeing as how shitty Bethesda has been for the last 10 years.
@@husky3g it should be noted that the last time they made a game like this, it was the 90's and neither game worked. arena and daggerfall are the worst constructed games out of the entire ES series. there is a reason daggerfall got remade in unity instead of just being patched by the fans.
Well, Morrowind and Oblivion alone secured Bethesda God tier status.
nah i think they gonna do whatever they want since that is what got them here and undying support.
I'd say its more about being the only large-scale open-world RPG around as well as mods since other games can do the individual things better than modern elder scrolls can.
Their support is definitely dying. They have already lost many of their long-time/veteran fans because of how bad their games have been. I "borrowed" FO4, FO76 and Starfield and barely played any of them. All pretty terrible games.
Hi! Could you please tell what music fragment did you use in the intro? (literally the first track, from 0:00 to 0:30)?
Kevin Macleod - Bump in the Night
essentially the problem with Bethesda is they are really trying to tell you a story when they were their best letting YOU make your own story inside the game.
It’s not Bethesda fault , it the fans of the games that fail. People complain about fallout subways , so fallout 4 they remove them. Then people complain about settlement building. They can’t get break
It's Bethesdas fault
@@noname18305it's our fault for buying the games on the first place
"bethesda please fix the confusing mess of metro tunnels, i cant find my way to certain quest locations"
"okay we wont make them 🤬🤬🤬"
_"..uh, okay?"_
Skyblivion is the only thing related to Bethesda worth being excited over, assuming Bethesda doesn't miraculously add an update to Skyrim before release, breaking the modding community (again). Poor Fallout London.
Your issue with Skyrim is because you are looking at it wrong. Oblivion and Morrowind are a Fantasy RPG. Skyrim is a Power Fantasy. The world revolves around you in Skyrim. You are the hero of everything at what you do. Even the guards acknowledge you for joining the dark Brotherhood. That is the real issue behind Skyrim. In a non-power fantasy, your actions have consequences that affect the world and the player, while in a Power Fantasy, they don't affect anything but the player's ego.
Morrowind, Oblivion, Skyrim, are classic imo, as an older gamer I love the music, the scenery and the stories. They have bugs but I don't care. I love fallout 4, not keen on fallout 3, too dark and miserable. I would've loved to have played fallout 1 and 2 but I don't have the necessary computer for that. Fallout 76 is not for me and neither is Starfield.
Womp womp they def arent dead in any way
They got a hit TV show now and they are dying lmao
I'm 59, and I absolutely lived in Daggerfall when it was released. It had a ton of bugs, but it started my way to the later Elder Scrolls and Fallout games.
Skyrim was arguably their last great game. Fallout 4 was fun, but it was a mid Fallout game.
I can see that. Mods are the only thing keeping 4 playable.
I agree with this although I definitely think Skyrim is where the downfall of BGS started. Comparing Skyrim to the previous two elder scrolls, it’s undeniable that those games are better in every aspect except for the graphics.
However I do love Skyrim as well.
@@aRock-orSomething someone never played oblvivion without cheating.
fallout4 was darn near perfect. It just didn't know what it wanted to be. It was a rpg that was not a rpg, a crafting survival game with terrible building. It was just all over the place with its game design.
Starfield though.. I played for a few hours, and then decided .. forget it, i'll make my own open world rpg. with blackjack, and hookers. I'm 3 months into development. I think indie developers are the way forward in games in general, we need people who have passion and vision creating games. The bigger a company gets, the less soul their products have.
Just remember a lot of the game studios we love started out closer to being indie developers than to AAA studios. When Bethesda made Morrowind they were a middling studio facing potential bankruptcy but they managed to release one of the best fully 3D RPGs ever made even though it was a downgrade from Daggerfall.
@@SumoniggroExactly, when a studio is small or indie, when they are hungry, their projects have lots of soul. It's when they get huge that they start to get rusty and seem to forget why games are made in the first place.
People love to hate on Bethesda, but over the years, they’ve produced many of the games on my “favorite of all time” list. Fallout, Skyrim, Dishonored, Prey, etc. I mean, even if they never made another good game, they’d still be one of the GOATs of game publishing.
Hating on modern Bethesda doesn't take away from their past successes just shows how far they have fallen because they used to make great games. Part of the issue is personal preference versus objective criticisms, Bethesda is objectively bad at making RPGs, they have been since Oblivion.
@@Sumoniggro I often reflect that there should be a moratorium on the word “objective.” Practically no one uses it properly.
@@sonofwotan I would be inclined to agree with you on most cases but I am using it correctly so your point is moot and comes off as an attempt to avoid the point being made. RPGs as a genre have specific criteria that are the very points that differentiate them from action-adventure/looter-shooter games, leveling up and character building is just one of these aspects, story, writing, decision making these are also aspects that make an RPG an RPG and Bethesda has shown they are terrible at these aspects and have dumbed down the character building aspect so I reiterate after proving my point that Bethesda is objectively bad at making RPGs.
@@Sumoniggro Again, anything objective can be independently confirmed, as in, anyone on earth would come to the same, usually numerically measurable, conclusion. Examples would include a notebook that is 32 cm x 22 cm, or that a PS4 controller weighs 210 grams, or the GPS coordinates of a location. The word “objective” does not usually collocate with words like amazing, good, bad, terrible, awful, etc., for those are all words used to describe value judgments, which is to say, opinions. Sorry to be pedantic, man, it’s just a pet peeve of mine, right up there with the misuse of “literally.”
@@sonofwotanyour opinions on the use of "objective" are irrellevent to the discussion lil bro, just say you cant come up with a valid response instead of wasting everyones time.
The problem with fallout 4's voiced protagonist isn't them being voiced it's that they are still meant for you to be able to project yourself on to them. When you give a character a voice you give them an identity. A silent protagonist however is one where the player can more easily project themselves on. So the problem isn't the voice the problem is by trying to have it both ways rather than having either a blank slate to project on or and interesting character with they're own struggles and ideals. You instead have a protagonist that's has the personality of a pet rock.
Fallout 4 story really needed bethesda to either embrace the humanity of the character or allow the player to project the personality they wanted the character to have. The Yakuza games are a fantastic example of the first option Kiryu is an interesting character with they're own identity of which the player's are not allowed to act outside of. This allows Yakuza to have interesting main and Side quest. For an example of option 2 Fallout New Vegas made all the more relevant on account of being in the same franchise.
They’re almost as unoriginal as the 500th UA-camr to make negative content about Bethesda…
It's still odd hearing UA-camrs talk about their childhood playing games like Fallout 4 and Skyrim when my childhood was playing the NES in the 1980s and the SNES in the early '90s. I was in my 30s when Skyrim came out, so trust me when I say games like that were leaps and bounds ahead of anything I had as a kid.
Fallout 4 was a glorified looter shooter no rpg elements at all in my mind the voice character made me skip all the dialogue
I can't help but feel that Bethesda doesn't give a crap what their customers want or need.I have played all of the Elder Scrolls games and all of the main Fallout games, plus Fallout New Vegas. I played Starfield for about half an hour and was bored out of my mind. Their attitude so reminds me of the attitude when Diablo Immortal was announced as a mobile game. The crowd was clearly disappointed and Wyatt Cheng said, "Don't you guys have phones?" My reaction was "Yeah, but who wants to get immersed in an RPG on their phone?"
lol… no.
An advantage I see bethesda having is the ''economy'' aspect of their game. This can make it pretty immersive if they ever followed it up properly.
The last 4 minutes of this video is NOTHING but coping. I hope you realise that
Wouldn’t you have a difficult time admitting some game you enjoyed wasn’t that good?
skyrim, fallout 3 & 4 problems with writing is basically just emil being a bad writer..... fallout 76 and starfield tho are just both fundamentally bad games but with elder scrolls 6 having emil as a writer should be a warning enough
they should just fire emil at this point
1:35 who the fuck viewed them as THE greatest developer studio ever? Lol.
Back in 2004 they were one of the greatest developer studios when it comes to RPGs.
@@Sumoniggro well I was too young then to remember and care then and I don't think I've had Internet either, so the more you learn, I guess? But by the time of Skyrim's release people were already displeased with the direction their studio was heading in (even since Oblivion).
@@OCTO358 I'm pretty old, I was in highschool in 2004, I remember when oblivion released and it was fun but an obvious downgrade from Morrowind, Skyrim was just the solidified of the direction Bethesda was heading in.
Having a voiced protagonist and don’t having it. Every time someone has an issue with it no matter the option.
Hater gonna hate.
Bethesda games have become "wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle" writ large. The fact that they added creation club Enclave items with an attached quest shows they either dont know or dont care that the Enclave have been wiped out twice already. "Somehow the Enclave has returned".