One of my fave things about playing my Thief/Assassin character was discovering the true nature of these people while pickpocketing or breaking into their homes, and then giving myself a side quest to silently remove them.
"If you were somebody I'd know you, but I don't, so you aren't" >Hero of Kvatch >Grand Champion of the Arena >Wielder of many Daedric Artifacts >Fame greater than 100 >LITERALLY Lord Sheogorath
I was like all that, the arch-mage, the fighters guild"s guild master, the divine crusader, a honorary member of the thornblade knights, a knight-errant, a blades member, the grey fox (despise not even thieves guild members knowing that) and the list goes on...... Like, was that guy living under a rock under the past few months?
That's in every game lol "hey young man can you bring me 3 cabbages?" WOMAN I KILLED BAHAMUT AND I'M CHASING A GUY TRYING TO END THE WORLD YOU THINK I GOT TIME TO STOP FOR CABBAGES ON THE WAY?!!
You forget that when you took possession of the cowl of nocturnal you took on its curse as well. Edit:Although I suppose ascending to a daedric prince would override that
It's extremely annoying, but inconsistencies in pronunciation is seen all over in the world so maybe it makes it more realistic. If you have only read a word it could be said many different ways. Or the team working with the VAs were inconsistent and did a bad job. Probably the second one.
For anyone interested, it's the looting of the Mysterium Xarxes during the Dagon Shrine quest that causes these NPCs to become aggressive. Basically it tanks your disposition with the Mythic Dawn faction so that anybody in it attacks you on sight.
If I recall right, should you choose to end your quest progress at the quest where you infiltrate the mythic dawn and are counted as a member. All these sleeper agents will heartily greet you with a hearty "Dawn is breaking", so make sure you greet the new day.
But could the Hero of Kvatch really do that? After being freed from prison, hearing the Emporer's last words, watching them kill him? After closing the gate in Kvatch, and rooting the cultists out of the sewers with Baurus? Could they really turn their back on all they have done for Tamriel? All Tamriel has done for them?
There are two sleeper agents who won’t attack you, even fighting on your side, if your disposition is high enough. The cook at the lonely suitor lodge, & Cindor. I spare them.
One of the main reasons why I wanted Oblivion was due to the daily life cycle of NPCs. I read a huge article in PC Gamer magazine back before the game came out, and it discussed all the elements of the game. They actually had to scale back some of it due to issues. They originally wanted every single NPC to have a schedule and daily routine, including every enemy you find across the map.
That that is never became a reality. I kinda have always felt that Oblivion did miss something, too few people, too big cities. It exists more bandits, marauders, thiefs and other loose folks here and there then it exist in the cities. You can litterary kill hundreds of people and killing just one or two in a city might make the city feel rather -empty- as that person might be one of the few who actually walks the streets.
You know people tend to laugh at Oblivion ai but it's quite complex, people go to work, eat, go to the temple to atend a seremon once a week, they like and hate diffrent folks, it's quite good, for it's time it was insane
You'll be surprised when you take old games and realise what people market as revolutionery now, existed long ago. Remember Shadow of Mordor Nemesis System? There was somewhat of a prototype in Need for Speed Carbon. Remember how in Last of Us crtics were jerking off how enemies react when you are out of ammo or when you kill someone dynamicly? Stalker did that too and better. Remember how Assassin's Creed Black Flag innovated ship battle? What if I told you they copied those mechanics from Sea Dogs series and made it 3th person view and more faster and arcedy. Some games try to do the dumbest marketing when Ubisoft advertised you can play female character in Assassin's Creed Odyssy, even tough you did have female character in Liberation and Syndicate. Some quests are literal copy paste and presented as original, like Witcher 3 theater quest who copied it word for word from Jade Empire. Honestly, the big gaming corporations are literally stagnating entire innovation for their profit.
It’s also gives a good sense of completion for a game that came out with no achievements. Hunting down all the remaining members and finally feeling like you finally completed your task, even though lore wise a few did slip away
Else actually caught me offguard when she turned out to be a sleeper agent when I played Oblivion. She just felt to obvious with that what have the gods ever done for me speech.
You know, considering how many cities and such there is, it really feels like there wasn't ENOUGH sleeper agents in the game (according to this video).
felt like a good time to watch this now that Gates of Oblivion is announced, its crazy how the Mythic Dawn scared me as a child while even the Dark Brotherhood was just "your friendly family of ne'er-do-wells"
Mythic Dawn: Basically delusional, "drink the Koolaid", murderous cultists Dark Brotherhood: Even though a murder cult, they do not murder on random, nor wish wide spread chaos.. They are basically a cult of hitmen and assassins, someone has to do the ritual, and provide fees for the contract, before a targeted murder is done. The Dark Brotherhood is more orderly and predictable, while the Mythic Dawn are very chaotic and you were not sure entirely what to expect them to do.
@@davidevans7477 lol stop coping. The Cringe Brotherhood is a disgusting offshoot murder fetish cult unknowingly worshipping an aspect of a Daedra prince (Mephala, Night Mother, come on) pretending to be something else while they have their delusion about Sithis. At least the Mythic Dawn worship something tangible, and they got results : A whole new era was formed because of their actions. The dank fodderhood’s best feat is killing a random worthless emperor which doesn’t come close to killing 4 Septims and nearly killing the last one. And look! Titus Mede II’s death had 0 effect on the world! The morag tong is truly based. Been around for way longer, actually worships the Daedra Prince in question without tricks, is actually legal and respected and doesn’t get wiped out because they’re incompetent then reduced to 2-4 members every time they appear in the series. One Breton lunatic could casually climb ranks, stay unnoticed until Mephala had to name drop who the traitor is and absolutely demolishing the Dark Fodderhood from the inside without getting his hands dirty, it’s that easy. Morag Tong could never get stomped this badly.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 I actually agree with everything you said. Though I fail to see how what you said disproves anything I said. Mythic Dwan drank the koolaid of Cameron, screwed everything over. Their lives did not get better either. Dark Brotherhood are indeed incompetent, but they are still a professional organization. The members and culture of it encourage murder fetishists to join it.
First off: Terrence Stamp knocked it out of the park as Mankar. His sermon in the hideout is both terrifying and inspiring. Ulen Athram being an agent was a suprise for me. He seemed like a friendly guy. I was doing Umbacano's quest when Ulen attacked me and was devistated I had to kill him.
@@DarkLOREDash I did not, though I always wondered if the book actually translated to something or was just gibberish. thanks for learnin me another thing!
I never even knew NPC's in oblivion also traveled between cities. Just one NPC in oblivion seems to have a WAY more complicated/expansive life programmed for them then most of the NPC's in Skyrim.
Yeah that totally caught me off guard. The only other game that comes to mind is Gothic where some mage-knights go from the swamp town to the mine camp across the world every evening.
It really is a fantastic game in that regard, hell the countess of Leyawiin is Countess Ariana Valga's daughter and once a month she travels from Leyawiin with her bodyguard and steward to visit Ariana in Chorrol and I always loved travelling with them and pretending to be a court mage 😂
Had this happen - mythic dawn people transformed and killed me in an inn. I never saw it coming and was overwhelmed. My greatest fan tried to fight but he died as he lived
I was so surprised when I was bringing Martin to Weynon Priory, stopped by Chorrol on the way and got attacked by Eugal Belette. I thought the game was breaking on me
I went into Chorrol right after speaking with Jauffre for the first time. A few minutes later Brother Piner entered the City and Eugal Belette immediately attacked him at the gates. I was a far enough away to barely hear the commotion, and the Guards killed him before I even knew what happened. Earliest I've ever seen a sleeper agent break cover.
Raven Camoran was supposed to be a sleep agent too, but Bethesda cutted that part from the game, but you still can find a paper talking about him in Hieronymus Lex's room, and you can also install a mod called "Oblivion uncut" where he is there, acting as any other npc.
Wouldn't it have been great if one of the people he told you to tail ended up being a sleeper agent? It would have given some credence to his insanity.
It's amazing how lifelike they made the NPCs. Thought I heard from my sister that there was a day 1 game breaking glitch where the NPCs would run out of food then kill each other.
I had a great many times where an NPC would steal some food somewhere, getting caught, then a HUGE brawl would ensue, involving, and even killing, several guards. It confused the heck out of me the first few times it happened. I would just be walking along, then all of a sudden a major fight would break out
Indeed. This video reminds me of what got me hooked on The Elder Scrolls series: The amazing NPC's in Oblivion! I remember Todd Howard saying in an interview that when they were developing the game, there was a prisoner in a cell that was part of a quest, but he would die in his cell before the player could get to him. After two weeks of testing, the devs discovered that the guards were killing him to get his food, because the devs had mistakenly given the guards too little. The NPC's in Oblivion are far from perfect. Some will spend their days at home, staring at a blank wall. However, for all their imperfections, they have an incredible depth that is totally lacking in Skyrim. They have secrets, vices, and interests. They will try to steal from each other. They will go on journeys to other cities. They may try to rob you on the road. Just amazing. I hope the team creating Skyblivion will be able to prrserve or even expand upon this aspect of the game.
I remember I was doing the quest to clear the specters from the ship in Anvil and I saw someone in Mythic Dawn armor and a the mace but I was too busy avoiding the specters to see who they were when they transformed back
Also, they agro if you have a low enough disposition even before starting the main quest. You can lower it in the speechcraft minigame and then they'll just up and attack you.
Not sure... but in some mages guild random dialogue, you would hear "I hear there was a boycott of Imperial goods in the Summeret Isles" followed by "They have powerful mages, this could be dangerous".
Ulfric Stormcloak himself is a sleeper agent; take a look at his Dossier in the Thalmor Embassy. ^ No-one else in Skyrim is a "sleeper" agent, but there are agents of the Thalmor. They are; Lorcalin, J'datharr, Shavari, & Gissur. There is one *_former_* Thalmor agent, and that is Runil, the old Altmer living in Falkreath.
I know the players can get their own summonable gear, but I always wished I could get one spell that would arm me the way they do, a zap full body armor and a weapon ready to go.
The thing with Cingor doesn't add up. If he was so incompetent, how did he manage to get enough funding for an iron cuirass and warhammer? If he held such a low position in society, why does the guard let him wander about? Surely patrolling 24/7 is good training? As for his armaments, the Mythic Dawn spells are kinda shit. What if he chooses not to use them simply because what he has is better/the same? Finally, he has the stuff to be a competent Fighter's Guild member. How could he have been rejected from the Guild when some of the highest ranking members still use iron armor like he does? What I think is Cingor's story is he is a delusional idealist. Something happened in his youth that made him despise crime and criminals. He obviously joined up with the Fighter's Guild to do good. When he realized that the guild was primarily a place of money and politics, he left and formed his own town watch, thinking that like minded individuals would show up and join his cause. Realizing he was the only one who cared, he started to get depressed as crime consumed his city. Thus, in a desperate bid to gain quick power and enact the vision he has for the world, he joined up with the Prince of Change, perhaps change for the better.
Lol, LMAO! Iron Cuirass and Warhammers are cheap nd pretty poor quality. And constantly patrolling doesn't do much to aid you in becoming stronger at fighting. Admittedly, sopme higher p Fighter's guild members DO use Iron equipment. Lol, the whole guild is bad.
Cool and interesting video. Good job and keep up the good work. Your videos on Oblivion made me buy the game a year ago, so i do enjoy some lore/things that i have missed. Have a nice day/night.
One of the quests borderline broke. Going into the dock inn at Anvil to meet with the women thieves and one of them became mythic dawn and attacked the other patrons leading to them all being murdered by guards. To fix this i had to do some time skipping, fast traveling etc.
@@TheSpiritsLease I had a weird fixation with Oblivion: at first I treated it like a videogame, doing everything. Then I tried a min-max experience. Then I hated it for some reason and that hate went on for many years. Then I started modding the crap out of it to get a more personalized experience (mostly immersive mods, east/sleep cycles, realistic economies, more weight, transport options, reworked magic, capes, remove the spider daedras from the game) and got mad when the mods crashed or fucked the game balance (for some reason enemies armor started multiplying and impcs could onepunch me). After many years I came back to Oblivion one last time and started the game without triggering the main quest (one of the mods). Made a Trader character class (specialized in commerce, repair, speechcraft, lockpicks, stealth, illusion and alchemy) and just made my own fun (do only side-quests, explore ruins, pick enemies out with creative spells and traps combo; have stashes all around the world map just in case). That was in 2012 and to date I haven't picked up Oblivion since. I don't think I would be able to top losing myself in Cyrodill like that again.
Ime it's really cool when people piece these AI schedules together and tell their story outside of the game, but actually watching these things unfold in the game is a little boring or goes mostly unnoticed. Cyberpunk is no polished games due to the studio's employee turnover and mandatory crunch, but I think the characters it chooses to flesh out in the narrative have more of an impact on me than an imaginative interpretation of an NPC walking back and forth and standing around in different places for a week as novel as that is. A market in night city has as many people rendered as a single city in Oblivion might, so they have very different development priorities and it's not a comparison that reveals much other than that, and just confirms a bias towards whatever we look for in a video game.
Too bad the game made bad balance decisions and died off. I loved that game back before the oblivion expansion, even got into the legends rank with an archer lethal deck, back before the three houses addon (which power creeped things a bit) (I wasnt able to have internet while I found a place to live, then the game basically died). It had so much going for it, but it died in the traditional mistakes of power creep....
Fun video idea: can you complete the main quest line if you kill all the sleeper agents (using this video as a guide) before doing any of the main quest line?
@@flyingspaghetti i mean it took me like a week to complete it , i walked around instead of fast traveling (gay) and i even got to the last ingame date lol
@@mcsmash4905 Very peculiar... It took me 400 hours (the same amount of time Skyrim took me) to complete it along with the expansions, and that with fast travelling. I doubt the guild quests (fighters, mages, DB and thieves) take less than 5 days, they are huge.
Let's be honest 95% of anyone who "discovered" the sleeper agents was due to going on a massive NPC massacre and realizing it after the fact or is that just me?
I saw isolda go into her outfit when I sprinted out of the Serpent's Wake, ghosts hot on my heels. It was weird seeing a Mythic Dawn agent that wasn't trying to kill me
I cannot believe this game has this much depth for somthing you can totally miss. Like making special npcs on a single day at a certain time to do a special thing you can totally miss.
I just completed the Oblivion main quest for the first time in years, and it's pretty interesting to see all these people I briefly chatted with had these secret agendas!
I was a mage. So i ran around with my limitless mana doing the ultimate expert level frenzy spells on each npc and seeing if theyll go mythic dawn on me. Lol
I’ve only just recently reached this point in Oblivion and I really thought I was having some sort of fever dream or the game was glitching when Elise God-Hater attacked me out of nowhere in the Skingrad tavern
Right? I was in the lonely suitor lodge last night doing a fighters guild quest & the High Elf Ranalin spazzed out. I forgot I'd done the mythic dawn quest & sent her back over the counter! 🤣
Its very important to remember Dagon isn't evil so to speak he was created by the Magna Ghi out of "the most scarce resource in oblivion" that being hope. He is primarily a god revolution and therefore always allied with some peoples who are or feel they are being oppressed.
I ran them all through with my umbra blade and took their souls. Now their souls are keeping the adoring fan's soul company. Also keeping their souls company are... the grey prince, the guy in the cell opposite mine who said I was going to die in prison and the guards are coming for me then laughed remember him at the start of the game, the guard who told me he doesn't know me and don't care to know me, some wood elf guy from skingrad who was following me saying "over here Yeah you", the list goes on and on and on
@@TheRealRusDaddy what can i say kid. Umbra needs to feed and they were annoying so I kill two birds with one stone. Kid don't do skooma stay in school! Long story short once upon a time i found a broken soul gem which looked like a black star on my travels through skyrim so I took it to the imperial city university district I'd hoped the mages might be able to shine some light on the item. Basically I learnt that my black/purple sword called umbra needs to feed a lot so i capture and sends the lifeforces of these fallen enemies to a oblivion type of wasteland realm called Soul carin where they spend eternity. This is where that quest giver lives now kid. Sithis now torments them
Putting on armor with magic is so cool and as someone who hasn’t played oblivion it’s a shame that wasn’t in Skyrim. Edit: a two hour lunch break! And I thought I was bad. (I am)
When making my first character in any elder scrolls game, I looked up dark elf names and settled on the last name "Athram" and was shocked to find Ulen Athram in the imperial city. I was so excited to have a "brother" to roleplay for my character. It added a whole new level to my first playthrough when he attacked me and died. I was convinced there was some hidden game mechanic to make npcs you frequent into sleeper agents. To this day my first and favorite character for every game is an Athram.
I remember when I went to the Isle of madness. I got a dog and he went for a person. I was saying bad dog lol. Turned out the dog could tell that person was a mythic dawn person. I couldn't tell.
@@tacky4237 You literally cant be an atheist in the Elder Scrolls Universe. At the very least, you can see the D Prince's actions. Cant see the 9 Divines' actions, at least not often. The definition of an Atheist is one who does not believe that any gods or divines exist..... In the Elder Scrolls Universe, it is near impossible to deny the existence of the Princes if you even traveled, or read, a little... Not counting getting contacted with "deals" by Clavicus Vile, Mora, and the like.
I could listen to Dash narrate water boiling. This stuff in right in my wheelhouse and I love it. Thanks Dash.
Thanks mate, glad you enjoyed it!
Dash could raise the dead just whispering softly, 100% agree
😂👌
I enjoyed the video too
water boarding
One of my fave things about playing my Thief/Assassin character was discovering the true nature of these people while pickpocketing or breaking into their homes, and then giving myself a side quest to silently remove them.
"another settlem... person needs to die!"
@@fenrisnihilus3675 "let me mark it on your map"
Vampire food
How many times have you heard “STOP”
Right giving my self a quest in games are fun
"If you were somebody I'd know you, but I don't, so you aren't"
>Hero of Kvatch
>Grand Champion of the Arena
>Wielder of many Daedric Artifacts
>Fame greater than 100
>LITERALLY Lord Sheogorath
Shhhh. You're an unknown.
I was like all that, the arch-mage, the fighters guild"s guild master, the divine crusader, a honorary member of the thornblade knights, a knight-errant, a blades member, the grey fox (despise not even thieves guild members knowing that) and the list goes on...... Like, was that guy living under a rock under the past few months?
Reminds me of the Thieve's Guild quest.
"Hey, steal something from the Arch Mage's room."
"But...I AM the arch mage."
That's in every game lol "hey young man can you bring me 3 cabbages?" WOMAN I KILLED BAHAMUT AND I'M CHASING A GUY TRYING TO END THE WORLD YOU THINK I GOT TIME TO STOP FOR CABBAGES ON THE WAY?!!
You forget that when you took possession of the cowl of nocturnal you took on its curse as well.
Edit:Although I suppose ascending to a daedric prince would override that
If you enter a city with a sleeper agent in it while Martin is accompanying you they will also attack even before the infiltration mission.
Cool, so they knew.
I'm more in shock at the way God Hater pronounced Falkreath than I am that she's a sleeper agent
lol
Fall-Kree-Ath
Or the occasional mentions of KvOtch
Yes several NPCs say this! So weird
It's extremely annoying, but inconsistencies in pronunciation is seen all over in the world so maybe it makes it more realistic. If you have only read a word it could be said many different ways. Or the team working with the VAs were inconsistent and did a bad job. Probably the second one.
For anyone interested, it's the looting of the Mysterium Xarxes during the Dagon Shrine quest that causes these NPCs to become aggressive. Basically it tanks your disposition with the Mythic Dawn faction so that anybody in it attacks you on sight.
If I recall right, should you choose to end your quest progress at the quest where you infiltrate the mythic dawn and are counted as a member. All these sleeper agents will heartily greet you with a hearty "Dawn is breaking", so make sure you greet the new day.
But could the Hero of Kvatch really do that? After being freed from prison, hearing the Emporer's last words, watching them kill him? After closing the gate in Kvatch, and rooting the cultists out of the sewers with Baurus? Could they really turn their back on all they have done for Tamriel? All Tamriel has done for them?
@@rowmacnezumi8953 canonically? no.
@@rowmacnezumi8953 well in another pov thanks to the cult you aré free AND who cares for a creepy old Man who dreams about you jajajajaja
@@rowmacnezumi8953 yes
@@rowmacnezumi8953 Speaking as the Hero of Kvatch, yes, I could totally do that.
Thanks for the side quest "eliminate sleeper agents"!
Even poor Cingor??
@@DarkLOREDash Cingor is my neighbor! 🥺
@@DarkLOREDash Step 1: Join Fighter’s Guild
Step 2: become leader of Fighter’s Guild
Step 3: Spare Cingor
There are two sleeper agents who won’t attack you, even fighting on your side, if your disposition is high enough. The cook at the lonely suitor lodge, & Cindor. I spare them.
One of the main reasons why I wanted Oblivion was due to the daily life cycle of NPCs. I read a huge article in PC Gamer magazine back before the game came out, and it discussed all the elements of the game. They actually had to scale back some of it due to issues. They originally wanted every single NPC to have a schedule and daily routine, including every enemy you find across the map.
That that is never became a reality. I kinda have always felt that Oblivion did miss something, too few people, too big cities. It exists more bandits, marauders, thiefs and other loose folks here and there then it exist in the cities. You can litterary kill hundreds of people and killing just one or two in a city might make the city feel rather -empty- as that person might be one of the few who actually walks the streets.
Cyberpunk 2077 claiming to have NPC's with full schedules and lives in 2020.
Meanwhile in Oblivion 2006...
You know people tend to laugh at Oblivion ai but it's quite complex, people go to work, eat, go to the temple to atend a seremon once a week, they like and hate diffrent folks, it's quite good, for it's time it was insane
@@bloodangel19 the oblivion npc were meant to be smarter but they literally broke the game by being smart
...and it got beaten by it by Ultima VI about ten years earlier.
You'll be surprised when you take old games and realise what people market as revolutionery now, existed long ago.
Remember Shadow of Mordor Nemesis System? There was somewhat of a prototype in Need for Speed Carbon.
Remember how in Last of Us crtics were jerking off how enemies react when you are out of ammo or when you kill someone dynamicly? Stalker did that too and better.
Remember how Assassin's Creed Black Flag innovated ship battle? What if I told you they copied those mechanics from Sea Dogs series and made it 3th person view and more faster and arcedy.
Some games try to do the dumbest marketing when Ubisoft advertised you can play female character in Assassin's Creed Odyssy, even tough you did have female character in Liberation and Syndicate.
Some quests are literal copy paste and presented as original, like Witcher 3 theater quest who copied it word for word from Jade Empire.
Honestly, the big gaming corporations are literally stagnating entire innovation for their profit.
I always thought the transformation into the Mythic Dawn armor was sick. A cool thing for a villainous group to be able to do. Another great vid Dash!
I like how they ambush & you just go "Oh shii" FOR LORD DAGON.
And thank you kindly
It’s also gives a good sense of completion for a game that came out with no achievements. Hunting down all the remaining members and finally feeling like you finally completed your task, even though lore wise a few did slip away
@@DarkLOREDash "FOR LORD DAGON"
Followed by a series of mad swings while that one voice we always heard goes "HNGGRGRGRGRGRGRGR"
Like those pesky Power Rangers.
I like how all of these characters have a backstory and a possible reason for joining
As do I!
I dont know why, but Even tho this game is like 15 or something years old, I still remember All the sleeper agents and secret areas.
It was very special
@@DarkLOREDash this game will always be close to my heart. That and Halo 1 & 2. Also morrowind, aaand fallout 1 & 2.
I remember going on a rampage to test spells and a random sleeper agent came to help out in the massacre.
They were weak, like the Gods they pray to!
@@DarkLOREDash Only the chosen will survive the cleansing!
All across Tameriel: Close the damned gates! Meanwhile in the black marsh, Dagon: Close the damned gates!
everybody gangsta til the hist trees start speaking argonian
Really amazing how they took the time to add all these little details that the average player will never notice. Hell of a game.
Its intensely appreciated
Yeah, Cingor was such a shock for me... I needed a few seconds before fighting back. So friendly and dedicated, but I understand your take on him.
I hear ya. Just an unassuming Bosmer, living his best life... a testament to the writing, though!
Else actually caught me offguard when she turned out to be a sleeper agent when I played Oblivion. She just felt to obvious with that what have the gods ever done for me speech.
You know, considering how many cities and such there is, it really feels like there wasn't ENOUGH sleeper agents in the game (according to this video).
felt like a good time to watch this now that Gates of Oblivion is announced, its crazy how the Mythic Dawn scared me as a child while even the Dark Brotherhood was just "your friendly family of ne'er-do-wells"
Mythic Dawn: Basically delusional, "drink the Koolaid", murderous cultists
Dark Brotherhood: Even though a murder cult, they do not murder on random, nor wish wide spread chaos.. They are basically a cult of hitmen and assassins, someone has to do the ritual, and provide fees for the contract, before a targeted murder is done.
The Dark Brotherhood is more orderly and predictable, while the Mythic Dawn are very chaotic and you were not sure entirely what to expect them to do.
@@davidevans7477 lol stop coping. The Cringe Brotherhood is a disgusting offshoot murder fetish cult unknowingly worshipping an aspect of a Daedra prince (Mephala, Night Mother, come on) pretending to be something else while they have their delusion about Sithis.
At least the Mythic Dawn worship something tangible, and they got results : A whole new era was formed because of their actions. The dank fodderhood’s best feat is killing a random worthless emperor which doesn’t come close to killing 4 Septims and nearly killing the last one. And look! Titus Mede II’s death had 0 effect on the world!
The morag tong is truly based. Been around for way longer, actually worships the Daedra Prince in question without tricks, is actually legal and respected and doesn’t get wiped out because they’re incompetent then reduced to 2-4 members every time they appear in the series.
One Breton lunatic could casually climb ranks, stay unnoticed until Mephala had to name drop who the traitor is and absolutely demolishing the Dark Fodderhood from the inside without getting his hands dirty, it’s that easy. Morag Tong could never get stomped this badly.
@@smtandearthboundsuck8400 I actually agree with everything you said. Though I fail to see how what you said disproves anything I said.
Mythic Dwan drank the koolaid of Cameron, screwed everything over. Their lives did not get better either.
Dark Brotherhood are indeed incompetent, but they are still a professional organization. The members and culture of it encourage murder fetishists to join it.
First off: Terrence Stamp knocked it out of the park as Mankar. His sermon in the hideout is both terrifying and inspiring.
Ulen Athram being an agent was a suprise for me. He seemed like a friendly guy. I was doing Umbacano's quest when Ulen attacked me and was devistated I had to kill him.
Did you know his sermon is actually written in daedric text in the book? I find that fascinating
@@DarkLOREDash I did not, though I always wondered if the book actually translated to something or was just gibberish. thanks for learnin me another thing!
Falkreyath
I never even knew NPC's in oblivion also traveled between cities.
Just one NPC in oblivion seems to have a WAY more complicated/expansive life programmed for them then most of the NPC's in Skyrim.
Yeah that totally caught me off guard. The only other game that comes to mind is Gothic where some mage-knights go from the swamp town to the mine camp across the world every evening.
It really is a fantastic game in that regard, hell the countess of Leyawiin is Countess Ariana Valga's daughter and once a month she travels from Leyawiin with her bodyguard and steward to visit Ariana in Chorrol and I always loved travelling with them and pretending to be a court mage 😂
the main roads also had imperial guard patrols which is a nice detail that Skyrim is also missing
@@peterh9986 That's actually so cool haha. I'll have to try that sometime!
Probably not smart to have single patrols running around during a war.
Had this happen - mythic dawn people transformed and killed me in an inn. I never saw it coming and was overwhelmed. My greatest fan tried to fight but he died as he lived
I was so surprised when I was bringing Martin to Weynon Priory, stopped by Chorrol on the way and got attacked by Eugal Belette. I thought the game was breaking on me
I went into Chorrol right after speaking with Jauffre for the first time. A few minutes later Brother Piner entered the City and Eugal Belette immediately attacked him at the gates. I was a far enough away to barely hear the commotion, and the Guards killed him before I even knew what happened. Earliest I've ever seen a sleeper agent break cover.
@@SixshotRevan he has no sense of self preservation, that one. "Paradise Awaits"
The fact that oblivion has npcs that have a life cycle and cyberpunk released 14 years later without this level of detail is mind blowing!
Right? Radiant AI is mind blowing
Stalker and oblivion both had it and both are fantastic games
More sad than mind blowing imo
Most games don't have radiant ai. Like the witcher 3. But atleast they don't feel like interactive theme parks
Giving every NPC in Night City that level of AI would kill performance tho
I remember I was trying to join the dark brotherhood, only to end up having a inn keeper throw on a whole set of bound equipment and slaughtered me.
I made an inquisitor build just to hunt these jokers down.
That is phenomenal. Id love to play a game as an Inquisitor hunting down heretics
Make it illegal and kill them all as a the Silencer of the DB!
Falk-re-ath? Deedra? God I love oblivion with their pronunciation
Raven Camoran was supposed to be a sleep agent too, but Bethesda cutted that part from the game, but you still can find a paper talking about him in Hieronymus Lex's room, and you can also install a mod called "Oblivion uncut" where he is there, acting as any other npc.
No. Freaking. Way
I gotta check that out!
I'm just glad Glarthir isn't a sleeper agent.
Wouldn't it have been great if one of the people he told you to tail ended up being a sleeper agent?
It would have given some credence to his insanity.
No wonder I loved this game so much. So much attention to detail
Is missed
12:25 great pronunciation 😆😆😆
It's amazing how lifelike they made the NPCs. Thought I heard from my sister that there was a day 1 game breaking glitch where the NPCs would run out of food then kill each other.
I had a great many times where an NPC would steal some food somewhere, getting caught, then a HUGE brawl would ensue, involving, and even killing, several guards.
It confused the heck out of me the first few times it happened. I would just be walking along, then all of a sudden a major fight would break out
Unreal how much detail they put in these games. I find out something new every time.
There has never been a game with more fully realized npc lives. Skyrim was a downgrade in this regard
Can't agree more. Radiant AI is my favorite feature in Oblivion. Could watch some secretNPC schedules all day.
@@DarkLOREDash Whats that? More Radiant quests? OKAY! ~Bethesda
@@PugilistCactus more NPC daily routines. Radiant Quests can die in a hole
Agreed. Oblivion simply had more depth.
Indeed.
This video reminds me of what got me hooked on The Elder Scrolls series: The amazing NPC's in Oblivion!
I remember Todd Howard saying in an interview that when they were developing the game, there was a prisoner in a cell that was part of a quest, but he would die in his cell before the player could get to him. After two weeks of testing, the devs discovered that the guards were killing him to get his food, because the devs had mistakenly given the guards too little.
The NPC's in Oblivion are far from perfect. Some will spend their days at home, staring at a blank wall.
However, for all their imperfections, they have an incredible depth that is totally lacking in Skyrim. They have secrets, vices, and interests. They will try to steal from each other. They will go on journeys to other cities. They may try to rob you on the road. Just amazing.
I hope the team creating Skyblivion will be able to prrserve or even expand upon this aspect of the game.
I remember I was doing the quest to clear the specters from the ship in Anvil and I saw someone in Mythic Dawn armor and a the mace but I was too busy avoiding the specters to see who they were when they transformed back
Yeah...the gods do exist...now I have a acking back pain and a cool armor cus of them
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Wow, thanks for the hearth... I see you helped our elf banishing knighthood.
Also, they agro if you have a low enough disposition even before starting the main quest. You can lower it in the speechcraft minigame and then they'll just up and attack you.
Fun fact about Cingor: you can get his Disposition to 0 any time before the main quests; and he will attack you using Mythic Dawn lines.
If only there were Thalmor Sleeper agents that you could encounter in Skyri- Wait were there some?
Not sure... but in some mages guild random dialogue, you would hear "I hear there was a boycott of Imperial goods in the Summeret Isles" followed by "They have powerful mages, this could be dangerous".
All hail the aldmeri dominion
Ulfric Stormcloak himself is a sleeper agent; take a look at his Dossier in the Thalmor Embassy.
^
No-one else in Skyrim is a "sleeper" agent, but there are agents of the Thalmor. They are; Lorcalin, J'datharr, Shavari, & Gissur.
There is one *_former_* Thalmor agent, and that is Runil, the old Altmer living in Falkreath.
The most well known sleeper agent is Ulfric
@@keanuortiz3766 ua-cam.com/video/he6-lHcstno/v-deo.html (Watch 'til the very end)
I know the players can get their own summonable gear, but I always wished I could get one spell that would arm me the way they do, a zap full body armor and a weapon ready to go.
The thing with Cingor doesn't add up. If he was so incompetent, how did he manage to get enough funding for an iron cuirass and warhammer? If he held such a low position in society, why does the guard let him wander about? Surely patrolling 24/7 is good training? As for his armaments, the Mythic Dawn spells are kinda shit. What if he chooses not to use them simply because what he has is better/the same? Finally, he has the stuff to be a competent Fighter's Guild member. How could he have been rejected from the Guild when some of the highest ranking members still use iron armor like he does? What I think is Cingor's story is he is a delusional idealist. Something happened in his youth that made him despise crime and criminals. He obviously joined up with the Fighter's Guild to do good. When he realized that the guild was primarily a place of money and politics, he left and formed his own town watch, thinking that like minded individuals would show up and join his cause. Realizing he was the only one who cared, he started to get depressed as crime consumed his city. Thus, in a desperate bid to gain quick power and enact the vision he has for the world, he joined up with the Prince of Change, perhaps change for the better.
Great & nuanced alternative take!
Lol, LMAO! Iron Cuirass and Warhammers are cheap nd pretty poor quality. And constantly patrolling doesn't do much to aid you in becoming stronger at fighting. Admittedly, sopme higher p Fighter's guild members DO use Iron equipment. Lol, the whole guild is bad.
This is probably the most entertaining wiki-like video I've ever watched,you deserve subs
Nobody:
Not a soul:
Else: FALK-REE-ATH
It's funny how the only people who pronounce it that way in Oblivion are Nords
@Heavy Metal Collector I'm sorry time travel came at the cost of your ability to have fun
@Heavy Metal Collector damn son you got reckt
Falk reeeeeeee ath
this video has soo much attention to detail. This is great man, awesome vid.
Thank you! Took forever to hunt down some NPC random conversations, but well worth the effort!
Cool and interesting video. Good job and keep up the good work. Your videos on Oblivion made me buy the game a year ago, so i do enjoy some lore/things that i have missed.
Have a nice day/night.
Amazing! The hero of kvatch has returned!
One of the quests borderline broke. Going into the dock inn at Anvil to meet with the women thieves and one of them became mythic dawn and attacked the other patrons leading to them all being murdered by guards. To fix this i had to do some time skipping, fast traveling etc.
SHE REALLY SAID FULK-REE-ATH. BRUH
Great video! Seeing these pop seemingly out of nowhere just to kill me was a surprise during the main quest
wow man you really went all out for this one, this was a cool video, i didnt know there were so many sleeper agents lol
Love your work man thank for all you do to make it happen
12:25 That "Falkreath" pronunciation. ..
They put so much into this game that people don't even notice until long after. Truly this game was a work of art.
The "stop talking" at 11:56 is amazing
12:20 big oversight I second guessed myself when she says something along the lines of “walk the earth” earth? I thought they were on Nirn
Just saw this video, fantastic work man!
Thank you, sir!
This is an interesting topic that I never realized I wanted covered. Really great work. Sub from me.
Thank you!
and this is how you create a believable, living world 17 years ago.
and then we get cyberspunk 2077...
let's not get carried away, the "oblivion npc dialogue" meme exists for a reason.
@@andrey22 I used to stay around towns for hours just to hear random dialogue. I wouldn't do that shit for two minutes in Cyberpunk.
@@TheSpiritsLease I had a weird fixation with Oblivion: at first I treated it like a videogame, doing everything. Then I tried a min-max experience. Then I hated it for some reason and that hate went on for many years. Then I started modding the crap out of it to get a more personalized experience (mostly immersive mods, east/sleep cycles, realistic economies, more weight, transport options, reworked magic, capes, remove the spider daedras from the game) and got mad when the mods crashed or fucked the game balance (for some reason enemies armor started multiplying and impcs could onepunch me). After many years I came back to Oblivion one last time and started the game without triggering the main quest (one of the mods). Made a Trader character class (specialized in commerce, repair, speechcraft, lockpicks, stealth, illusion and alchemy) and just made my own fun (do only side-quests, explore ruins, pick enemies out with creative spells and traps combo; have stashes all around the world map just in case). That was in 2012 and to date I haven't picked up Oblivion since. I don't think I would be able to top losing myself in Cyrodill like that again.
Ime it's really cool when people piece these AI schedules together and tell their story outside of the game, but actually watching these things unfold in the game is a little boring or goes mostly unnoticed. Cyberpunk is no polished games due to the studio's employee turnover and mandatory crunch, but I think the characters it chooses to flesh out in the narrative have more of an impact on me than an imaginative interpretation of an NPC walking back and forth and standing around in different places for a week as novel as that is. A market in night city has as many people rendered as a single city in Oblivion might, so they have very different development priorities and it's not a comparison that reveals much other than that, and just confirms a bias towards whatever we look for in a video game.
@@andrey22 "Call the judge and get the fudge".
Oblivion dialogue still seems realistic to me.
Fal-Krea-eth?🧐 Never heard of it.
Else God-Hater: The gods don't do a damn thing!
Also Else: Doesn't do much in life.
The details in this game are just amazing, hope they manage to do something similar with Starfield.
Oh boy
This showed up in my recommendation and I love it.
This was great! Thanks for showing for this.
My pleasure!
Cingor's case was the worst of all, really hit you hard.
You missed 2 in the imperial city. They got the jump on me.
One of the two Dark Elf servants is a card in Elder Scrolls:Legends.
Great find!
Too bad the game made bad balance decisions and died off. I loved that game back before the oblivion expansion, even got into the legends rank with an archer lethal deck, back before the three houses addon (which power creeped things a bit) (I wasnt able to have internet while I found a place to live, then the game basically died). It had so much going for it, but it died in the traditional mistakes of power creep....
@@davidevans7477 with the rumored series coming out and with a new patch coming out a few days back there have been some talk of the games revival.
@@lefteron6804 I would get back into it if it did.
thank you for this i just wished someone exposed them sooner but props to you
Not gonna lie , your videos are very high quality, great work bro , I hope more people see your videos , they're awesome.
Fun video idea: can you complete the main quest line if you kill all the sleeper agents (using this video as a guide) before doing any of the main quest line?
i have never even seen some of these npc's , maybe next time i should take my time exploring and checking out places and people
Why would you rush an open world rog anyway?
@@flyingspaghetti i mean it took me like a week to complete it , i walked around instead of fast traveling (gay) and i even got to the last ingame date lol
@@mcsmash4905 Very peculiar... It took me 400 hours (the same amount of time Skyrim took me) to complete it along with the expansions, and that with fast travelling. I doubt the guild quests (fighters, mages, DB and thieves) take less than 5 days, they are huge.
@@flyingspaghetti didnt have the expansions cause a friend gave me the cd
Let's be honest 95% of anyone who "discovered" the sleeper agents was due to going on a massive NPC massacre and realizing it after the fact or is that just me?
This 😂 14 year old me every so often on Oblivion: "Oh boy, here I go killing again!"
12:26 Fal cree ath
Well done, fantastic video!
Thank you!
Awesome video, very original dude
Dawn is breaking... (thank you)
This explains the random bodies I found years ago
Great job, great video! Thanks!
i loved that part of the game when i just visited imperial city and suddenly i get surrounded by mythic dawns
I saw isolda go into her outfit when I sprinted out of the Serpent's Wake, ghosts hot on my heels. It was weird seeing a Mythic Dawn agent that wasn't trying to kill me
Great investigation and video!
Thank you 😁
Thank you 😁
Great video as always. Maybe one day I'll actually play this game.
Thanks mate! You can always wait til Skyblivion drops with updated graphics n combat!
@@DarkLOREDash When it eventually comes out
There was a recent sale in which the goty version was 3€or$ (deluxe one costed 4)
19:50 I knew all of them.. until this point! I can't believe I missed this one!
Cingor is highly suspicous anyway as his head almost has a regular shape.
I need to make "bite my garters" part of my everyday vocabulary.
I cannot believe this game has this much depth for somthing you can totally miss. Like making special npcs on a single day at a certain time to do a special thing you can totally miss.
The Mythic Wind led by Stankar Cameron.
This shouldn't have made me laugh as much as it did
I just completed the Oblivion main quest for the first time in years, and it's pretty interesting to see all these people I briefly chatted with had these secret agendas!
I was a mage. So i ran around with my limitless mana doing the ultimate expert level frenzy spells on each npc and seeing if theyll go mythic dawn on me. Lol
I’ve only just recently reached this point in Oblivion and I really thought I was having some sort of fever dream or the game was glitching when Elise God-Hater attacked me out of nowhere in the Skingrad tavern
Right? I was in the lonely suitor lodge last night doing a fighters guild quest & the High Elf Ranalin spazzed out. I forgot I'd done the mythic dawn quest & sent her back over the counter! 🤣
Its very important to remember Dagon isn't evil so to speak he was created by the Magna Ghi out of "the most scarce resource in oblivion" that being hope. He is primarily a god revolution and therefore always allied with some peoples who are or feel they are being oppressed.
None of The daedric princes are actually evil
This implies he could ally with gamers, the most oppressed group in society
@cant wait for this madness to end The King of Rape takes offense to this statement.
I ran them all through with my umbra blade and took their souls. Now their souls are keeping the adoring fan's soul company. Also keeping their souls company are... the grey prince, the guy in the cell opposite mine who said I was going to die in prison and the guards are coming for me then laughed remember him at the start of the game, the guard who told me he doesn't know me and don't care to know me, some wood elf guy from skingrad who was following me saying "over here Yeah you", the list goes on and on and on
Congrats you killed an annoying but neat quest giver
@@TheRealRusDaddy what can i say kid. Umbra needs to feed and they were annoying so I kill two birds with one stone.
@@TheRealRusDaddy what can i say kid. Umbra needs to feed and they were annoying so I kill two birds with one stone.
Kid don't do skooma stay in school!
Long story short once upon a time i found a broken soul gem which looked like a black star on my travels through skyrim so I took it to the imperial city university district I'd hoped the mages might be able to shine some light on the item. Basically I learnt that my black/purple sword called umbra needs to feed a lot so i capture and sends the lifeforces of these fallen enemies to a oblivion type of wasteland realm called Soul carin where they spend eternity. This is where that quest giver lives now kid. Sithis now torments them
Putting on armor with magic is so cool and as someone who hasn’t played oblivion it’s a shame that wasn’t in Skyrim.
Edit: a two hour lunch break! And I thought I was bad. (I am)
God this is great. Oblivion is fantastic and i really need to play some more
okay but the way that guy said falkreath and its so interesting to hear about skyrim in oblivion pre civil war "fal-kre-eth
When making my first character in any elder scrolls game, I looked up dark elf names and settled on the last name "Athram" and was shocked to find Ulen Athram in the imperial city. I was so excited to have a "brother" to roleplay for my character. It added a whole new level to my first playthrough when he attacked me and died. I was convinced there was some hidden game mechanic to make npcs you frequent into sleeper agents. To this day my first and favorite character for every game is an Athram.
I remember when I went to the Isle of madness. I got a dog and he went for a person. I was saying bad dog lol. Turned out the dog could tell that person was a mythic dawn person. I couldn't tell.
Number one of the top ten unexpected betrayals, Else God-Hater secretly hating the gods
9:27
*The elder scrolls equivalent of an Atheist*
She worships Dagon, she is referring to the Nine Divines
@@davidevans7477 so just like real athiests she worships demons secretly
@@tacky4237 You literally cant be an atheist in the Elder Scrolls Universe. At the very least, you can see the D Prince's actions. Cant see the 9 Divines' actions, at least not often. The definition of an Atheist is one who does not believe that any gods or divines exist.....
In the Elder Scrolls Universe, it is near impossible to deny the existence of the Princes if you even traveled, or read, a little... Not counting getting contacted with "deals" by Clavicus Vile, Mora, and the like.
Misotheist would be a proper description . Atheist don’t believe in god(s) , but misotheists do and they hate said god or gods .
Your videos deserve more views, I love your videos so fucking much