How Street Fighter IV SAVED 2D Fighting Games (Ft. Maximilian Dood)
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- Опубліковано 24 тра 2024
- After Street Fighter II released in in 1991, it caused a fighting game explosion, both in arcades and in home consoles. But, as the decade ended, and arcades were failing, so too were 2D Fighting games. This is how Street Fighter IV completely revitalized the genre.
After SF2, fighting games were booming. From Fatal Fury, to King of Fighters, Mortal Kombat, and more. But then, in 1993, came Virtua Fighter - which brought about a new wave of 2D fighting games, including Tekken and Soulcalibur. This revolution, combined with the eventual death of arcades, brought about a slow and eventual demise to 2D fighting games.
SNK would eventually go bankrupt (though not entirely due to their arcade or fighting game business), and while 3D fighters will still popping off, after the versus craze of the early 2000s, 2D fighters became relegated to the annual releases of King of Fighters and ArcSys games like Guilty Gear. While Guilty Gear was certainly popular within its niche, it was failing to hid a broad appeal. It would take Street Fighter IV to revitalize the genre, and show companies that fighting games could sell.
Join Dave Klein and Maximilian Dood as they work together to tell the story of How Street Fighter IV saved 2D Fighting Games.
Timestamps:
0:00 - Intro
0:09 - Let's talk about Fighting games
0:46 - Maximilian Dood Intro
1:03 - Pre Street Fighter II
1:21 - Street Fighter II's Release
1:45 - The Rise of Fighting Games
2:32 - Virtua Fighter and 3D Fighting Games
3:59 - Street Fighter III
6:36 - The Death of Arcades
7:36 - SNK's Bankruptcy
8:28 - Early 2000s in Fighting Games
8:57 - Smash Brothers
9:21 - A Clarification
9:56 - Competitive Issues
11:09 - The FGC Dark Age
12:13 - Online Play
13:16 - Street Fighter II: Hyper Fighting
14:28 - Production on Street Fighter IV
15:49 - The Release of Street Fighter IV
16:40 - Marketing on Street Fighter IV
17:21 - SFIV Hype
19:50 - Street Fighter IV Online Play
21:52 - Twitch and UA-cam's Impact
23:12 - EVO's post Street Fighter IV Era
25:06 - What about Mortal Kombat 9?
27:14 - How Street Fighter IV Saved 2D Fighting Games
28:03 - Outro
#StreetFighter #streetfighteriv #sf4 - Ігри
Kudos for getting Max (probably my favourite fighting game creator) involved in your video 👏
No way we could do this topic without him! More-so, huge thanks to him for coming on!
mines low tier god
@@2crisp63lmao
I miss the excellent adventures featuring max :(
@@2crisp63 Too bad he's being kept on a leash recently, so he can't be the TRUE LTG because he has to behave xD
"God awful live action film?!" Raul Julia was a master of his craft and single-handedly carried that film, but for him, it was simply a Tuesday.
I mean, the parts that aren't M Bison leave something to be desired.
Also he took the part because his kids loved SF2, it was very much beneath his status as an actor. But couple that with terminal cancer, and he's going to go out with the biggest bang he can manage
@@Kaarl_Mills Oh for sure. Anything that isn't Raul is admittedly pretty hard to watch.
Nice
It's funny how you have these horrible productions where every single actor recalls it as being miserable, except that one dude that had a lot of fun
If I'm not mistaken, Raul Julia would dedicate his Bison performance to his daughter or something, because he knew it would be his last, as he was I believe fighting cancer at the time
@@HushMySweet1 well Zangief's scenes were pretty good imo "quick change the channel" 😂
Max on Gamespot! Loved this dude since his SF4 and MVC3 content days
Same. He's such a pillar of the FGC and a great one at that too! Shine On Max!
There's alot about SF4 that i love but what it did for the FGC and fighting games alone is enough for it to be one of my favourite fighting games ever. Amazing video.
Wasn't better than 3rd Strike though.
I agree. Street fighter 4 especially super sf4 is definitely one of my most favorite video games ever created. All those thousands of hours playing online being ranked in top 100 in North America was special.
Max has been busy lately. I've been seeing him everywhere.
Yeah man. SF 6 has the FGC in the spotlight and them boys are out here WORKING it. Love to see it
Between the release/reveal of SF6, MK1 and Tekken 8 the whole FGC will get massive attention
I'd say the only thing missing, which actually would be somewhat relevant to the story told here, would be explaining that SFIV wasn't made in a bubble & was immediately the game that saved 2D fighting games, as the video kind of makes that indication. In fact, as admitted by the staff before, the original prototypes for SFIV were TERRIBLE & looked really bad, so much so that releasing the game in that form would have killed the franchise dead. What saved the SFIV staff (& possibly the Tatsunoko vs. Capcom staff, too, since that was being made around the same time as SFIV) was Arc System Works' Battle Fantasia, which was mentioned by Dave in passing, but nothing more. The SFIV team saw what ArcSys had done with Battle Fantasia used that as a baseline of inspiration, which in turn allowed SFIV to be the game that it was in 2008, at least from a visual perspective (as Ono was initially worried that SF's roster would look weird with then-modern 3D models).
I'm not saying that Battle Fantasia should actually be the game that "SAVED 2D Fighting Games", because that would be ridiculous. However, I was a little disappointed at how Dave actually did bring it up (which was shocking enough, admittedly), but didn't actually mention how it helped guide SFIV down the right path to save 2D fighting games. You could argue that behind most major fighting games there's likely a small & forgotten one that actually played some role in its creation.
Thanks for bringing this up. I felt this was an important aspect that was missing from the video.
Battle Fantasia was the first polygonal fighting game that really nailed 2d FG gameplay. When SF4 was announced, SF fans who were apprehensive about the transition from sprites to polygons were encouraged to give BF a try
Till this day SF4 is still one of my favorite Street Fighters..absolutely mind blowing!! The music and the cutscenes plus gameplay 😌🍃
Ultra SF4!🔥
Let me guess, you were born in the 2000s
I like the song Solar Eclipse. Extremely nostalgic to me. And EVO 2011 was the best one, at least for SF4. The hype the player brought. Especially Poongko.
@@aktchungrabanio6467 Let me guess, your favorite game is SF2 and anything after that is worse, and is something that, "the kids these days will never understand!"
Fatal Fury was in development at the same time as Street Fighter 2. It was made by the original creator of Street Fighter independently of how Capcom would handle the sequel
For real. During the SF4 era, I would be glued to the screen every time a major tournament came up. For SF5, I watched EVO once, and that was it--have never watched another tournament match since.
Awesome work. Having Max was a great idea, dood is unreal
Yeah, he’s fantastic!
SF4's roster is still my favorite of all street fighters, i know SFV has more characters but theres something about SF4's roster that makes me seem like theres so much more
I mean if you look at the Ultra SF4 roster vs SFV and SF6 it was nuts
V just had too many blonds
Ultra SF4 has the best roster.
The ultra combos are what sets SFIV apart from the rest
Ultra SF4 had the best roster of any fighter, i dunno how thats even a question
I remember making a Street Fighter 4 slideshow music video to “We Will Rock You” for a class back then. I was pretty proud of it. Wish I could find it.
Love SF3. The art style is incredible and still holds up today.
REALLY!? THAT'S WHAT YOU THINK!?
@@SunGodSe Look at the stages in New Generation and Second Impact. Even the full renders are floating around on fighting game archives. You can't tell me those stages and sprite work aren't beautiful.
Still some of the most crisp sprites ever. 👌
I like how SF6 is the direct sequel to it.
Yeah, that makes sense!
SF4 was the resurrection of the series. It felt new but still kept the nostalgic feel of SF2.
No, you mean SF4 was the resurrection of the GENRE!
@@Chris-yp6zm nah, just the series.
@@Chris-yp6zm Just the series and it was average.
@@Chris-yp6zmMK was keeping the fighting game genre alive with Deadly Alliance and Deception in them early 2000's... Relax my guy
@@javonbatiste3294 MK is a game for casuals, not the FGC
Really enjoying these deep dive videos into on game/topic. Nice work guys
I could be wrong but Fatal Fury wasn't inspired by Street Fighter II, but rather by the *first* Street Fighter
It was developed by people who worked with SF1 cmiiw
Correct. Also people forget it was in devoloment at the same time as SF2. People say it was a copy but even if SF2 never came out we would still have gotten FF. It does not get enough credit.
Oh man, my mistake! Thank you for letting me know, definitely interesting to know, sorry for the error in the video!
Most of the Street Fighter 2 team previously worked on Final Fight. The SF1 director (basically the godfather of fighting games, starting with Kung-Fu Master) who left for SNK wasn't involved with Street Fighter 2. He formed his own company, Dimps, who developed SF4 and some of SF5
@@pauleckert4321 many other fighting games dont get enough credit. everyone thinks every game was directly inspired by whatever street fighter released that year
And Capcom is doing it again with SF6. Can't believe they rise again on fighting scene this year after the failed launch of SF5.
Great video by the way
I love fighting games. Long live this genre.
I still remember how shocked I was when I saw SF Alpha at the arcade. The comic-ish art style and smooth frame rate blew ny mind in a way no other change of visuals in the series had done. IV felt like a nice comeback after a long hiatus, but Alpha for me was they tried something really different (I mean, Ken had a long ponytail hair 😂)
Alpha was first one I played
96 baby
I played a lot of SSF2T Hd Remix and loved it but SF4 was awesome i played it so much on Xbox 360. It was so good seeing a new SF games and it made a comeback. I also love King of Fighters and 13 really helped the scene too. I love Max! Great video!
loved watching mike Ross and Gootekts all the way back to the ‘08 arcade days, on their channel. And the visit to Tokyo w/ ed Ma
Well researched, informative, and entertaining. This video was great. More journalism should be like this.
nice tribute for a very well deserving game, well played Max and Dave :)
ps: for the outro part, which Dave explains that sf2 intro is his best; well I've seen some short interviews with the composers of that soundtrack. And I know that almost every stage music has its own composer and there are many stories and ideas behind them. I'd love to see a full coverage about that any day, any time :)
Shout out to Max! Man is really the OG
Dave it's been a minute. I was a huge fan of your videos in the past. Glad to see you're getting work!!!!
Thank you!! Yeah, I’ve been making content for GameSpot for a hot minute now - actually did all of our Elden Ring video coverage.
Hope you enjoyed this one!
I loved SF3: third strike, that added a few of the OG characters back into the game, the parry system in that game was elite lol, SF 4 was great it deffo brought back my love for fighting games
That opening trailer wit Ryu and Ken has lived rent free in my mind since 2010
Amazing Work guys, you guys doing really great work in here.
Glad you enjoyed! :)
" MAX, THE GOAT "
Thats why it's the goat! The goat!
Great call having Max on here. Tekken 3 was my first fighter back on ps1!
Max’s fighting game knowledge is unreal.
That's not the only thing that he knows 😏
@@champsammy13 I know, I follow his channel
@@samushunter0048😏😏😏
He spreads misinfo alot unfortunately and his fanbase spreads it
@@666slateran666 Examples?
This video is very well made, thank you for this.
I always love getting a chance to see Max as a subject matter expert, "out of character" from his streaming persona. Great video.
I remember early first looks of SF4 was frowned upon, it was in 3D, the jump timing was off, etc...but once people got hands on wooo boy, I'll never forget it the hype. I still have my Gamestop preorder bandana and game from the launch. And then the Gamestop tournament was a gigantic deal too. A lot of people didn't see the game played at a high level, there wasn't twitter or a lot of youtube footage, and then seeing Poongko doing those sick FADC Ryu combos
I came for the history of fighting games & Max, but I stayed for the doggo. Hopefully you do a follow-up with Street Fighter V & Street Fighter 6.
Street Fighter 4 made a huge impact it's save fighting games
So far SF6 is Definitely my favorite Street fighter game. I truly believe we are in the Golden age of fighting games right now. Tekken 8 and MK1, along with SF6 are just going to be incredible.
street fighter 4 was AMAZING when it first came out.. it was the first online game i ever played.. it exceeded my expectations.. i bought it in march 2009.. it was so good... i remember buying it and thinking it was just like street fighter 2 champion edition that i had on genesis in the 90s.. but SF4 had enough new stuff to have it still be fresh.. it had the perfect feel of old and new
I recently started playing SF4 again and gotta admit-this is the best SF game out there
2023 is the year of the FGC! SF6, MK1 and Tekken 8! What a year to be a Fighting Game Fan
my only criticism of this video is that it treats the Alpha games as some kind of spinoff
The alpha games are mainline sequels the same as SF3 or SF4. they were developed internally at capcom. as for not being a "numerical entry", they are called Street Fighter 0 in Asia
Also, SF4 was the first high profile game to come out to PC after a long, LONG time.
I remember everyone was playing SF4 on PC back in the day. Me included.
Steam saved PC gaming and SF4 brought back fighting games to PC.
SF4 also had the nostalgia benefit where a bunch of kids who played street fighter 2 were now adults with incomes. I had bought every Tekken and sf4 was the first street fighter I had bought since SF2. Loads of friends who were not that into fighting games bought it as well as they still remembered how to bust out a few moves and everyone claimed they were the best back in the day 😂. It also introduced me to the tournament scene in my country and inspired a song by a grime artist in the UK called D Double E. it’s was a whole moment.
Heart warming story. Super interesting to watch! Keep up the good work.
I actually got into fighting games seriously in the FG dark ages. In college I made a FG club in the mid aughts with CvS2, MvC2, 3s, tekken 5, some ggx2. Even though I was terrible at those games, it was a golden age lineup in my mind
Great video Dave K! Max is also an avid Dark Souls fan, hint hint. 😎
Thank you!
And… he is?? 🤔 Definitely good to know, haha
Came for Max, stayed for the actual video
Street Fighter 4 was a REAL game changer.
Capcom’s Street Fighter II revived the flagging arcade scene single handedly when it arrived in 1991 , the arcades were dying until Street Fighter II revived it setting the trend for others to follow .I'm an arcade guy but when Street Fighter 4 came out I decided to get a console just for that , it had been 16 years since I had one since so in that same fashion as Street Fighter II , Street Fighter 4 revived the fighting game genre setting the trend once again for others to follow.
Shout outs to the shockingly excellent 3DS port of Super Street Fighter 4. I was there in the hype for SF4’s original launch, but to me it will live forever as a game for 3DS, a system I will never put away.
That was dope
"Fighting game expert...Maximilian Dood." Excuse Me while I go to the doctor to have My sides stitched up from laughing too much.
I heard he has his PhD in fighting games
He IS an “expert” 🙄
I agree Max is the guy for this topic 👍
Nice video thanks!
Thanks for the timestamps 👍😃
Of course! I gotchu. :)
Street fighter 4 was My Childhood bring back memories
davecontrol makes a comeback!
It me! I’m here!
The dood used to be THE Capcom fanboy, but since he started trying out games that were made by companies other than Capcom he mellowed out a lot.
Dood is so known in the FGC that companies instantly give him the chance to try out games and dlcs before everyone else does
I remember how when sf4 was announced everyone's question was "is it a 3d fighter?" Since the ex series wasn't well liked at the time. (I never understood this since i al e always thought 2+alpha was hella fun). Which it's only post SF4 that everyone started appreciating the EX series.
Really though, i understood the worry at the time since it seemed like like every 2d fighter was moving into full 3d like Mortal Kombat
Mean tekken?
Mortal Kombat is still 2d movement
@@Tori5527 during the ps2 days, mortal kombat games were 3D fighters
The arcade experience is still the ultimate, way more exciting sharing it will fans of how you play and ppl who love what you love than playing it at home verging strangers online only!
Yeah arcades were packed when this dropped. It was almost intimidating playing in front of so many people. I really wished capcom released a MVC3 cabinet as well cause that’s when I feel the crowd kinda split. Some were at home grinding mvc3 others at the arcade grinding IV. Good times though.
7:54 that timing was impecable
SF4 brought back fighting games for sure. The 3d 2d style is still being used today and we saw alot of the popular fighting games make a come back. Street Fighter Alpha 3 is actually my favorite style personally but props to Capcom for making it popular again
Great video! Hey, did anyone notice that the host sounds like the real life version of Dudesy?
After this came out even MK9 made the move to 2.5D and I was super excited.
Def had the perfect person to shotgun this topic. Big props to Max.!!
This is professional. I love this video 🎉
Glad you enjoyed! :)
I remember when this game released i was in 8th grade , my mom had pre ordered it and she came home from work and told us “ sorry guys the line was too big , I couldn’t find the time after work to buy it” my older brother and I both let out a sad sigh and she then pulled out two red head bands and the street fighter 4 game for the Xbox 360 . Ahh man that spring break was so good . Low key got emotional typing this because my mom really did go after a long day at her job to pick us up this game. 😭. Thanks mom I love you
Coming into fighting games now, I don't love the look of Street Fighter 4 or 5. The gameplay might be good, but the visuals of SF2 and 3 are more appealing to me.
Gamespot better pay you well, i really enjoy your videos bro
Thank you! I really appreciate that. :)
Seeing Max mention Family Fun arcade is awesome. That was my after school spot for years.
This is for me the very best game I've ever played, I'm so glad that people recognize to this day that this game was one of the greatest episodes in gaming history.
I still liked looking at USF4's graphics at 4k. Hopefully AMD will fix their 7900xtx driver soon, so I'll be able to enjoy it again in 4k - the menu is 4k, but the gameplay is only 1080p.
Man that dog is definitely doing some sick combos on something in the background
I clicked on this coz I was intrigued by the title and immediately got distracted by the dog on your couch
The true savior was SF2: HD Remix. It proved that SF4 was worth making
To me, fighting games have always been fascinating, and I believe the massive player base of Street Fighter 4 is the primary reason for the revival of the genre.
ayo shoutout to Ehrgeiz
Hell yeah!
still one of my favorite SFs gameplay wise
I was never an arcade gamer, but I liked fighting games for their cool looking characters and enjoyed them on console as a super casual player. SF4 was the first one I had the chance to actually learn, get better at and challenge other players. Information like combos and strategies were more easily available and thanks to Max's videos I learned that you can have fun with fighting games whether you win or lose. I'm still a very low skilled player, probably won't progress much beyond that, but as someone who used to play arcade mode on easy only, this is a step I could never see myself taking, and SF4 made it possible. SF4 And Max, specially Max!
I don’t think 2 D Fighting Games will ever go out of style. As long as it’s kept fresh and still have the hints of nostalgic play. That have been loved for Decades Now. MK and Street Fighter are the Gold Standard 🏆🏆
i'm very thankfull to SF4 cause it got me into the FGC i always played Tekken games since tekken 3 and i had sf 3rd strike but i wasnt in the FGC, tournaments etc etc. SF4 brough me to that
I never thought about it this way but absolutely agree. I remember being maybe 8 or 9 and the reason I wanted a PS1 was for Marvel Super Heroes. After that I played a lot of different fighting games from Tekken 3 to Darkstalkers. My main games were MvC2 and CvS2. I didn’t realize it but after the Dreamcast I pretty much stopped playing fighting games all thru the early to mid 00’s until SF4 released. My roommates and I played a ton of MvC2 and SF4 between 08’ and 12’. After that I did get into Smash4, then really into DBZF which felt like a real return to roots with a beloved series tag team fighter. SF5 was meh, but SF6 is really feeling good. So much so that I’ve organized a large friend group to make it out “community” fighter and most people are enjoying it. SF6 seems to be a true return to form.
SF4 was my first Street Fighter game and even to this day it might still be my favourite in the series by far
Man, I remember when it came out, I had just graduated high school. My two older bros at the time had an apartment together and me and all of their friends would play it every single night along with 3rd strike and capcom vs snk 2. Those fight nights at there place were such good times for gaming.
@@giantenemycrab420 that sounds like so much fun!
I was completely blind to the fighting game decline. The people I hung around kept on playing fighting games throughout the 2000s. Guilty Gear, Samsho V, Tekken, the Vs. series, those kept us playing. It wasn't until years later that I heard the term 09ers, then I found out it was a term for the new influx of players that revived fighting games. "Revived? Hell, I didn't know it was dead".
it wasnt. the fighting game community always says it got revived or saved by something.
the jrpg community does this same thing. And so does the CRPG community.
A game doesnt come out from a triple A company for a few years, then everyone acts like the genre died...
For example in this video alone, he made it sound like fighting games were dying between the release of street fighter 2 and street fighter 3. And that SNK and KOF went bankrupt. This was all within a space of like 8 years..... street fighter 2 released in 1991 and street fighter 3 in 1999. KOF continued to make games in 2000,20001,and 2002.
He also made it sound like 3D fighting games started disturbing the balance of 2D fighting games and smash bros was a huge impact on 2.5D fighting games. buuuuuut tekken 2 released in 1995 only 4 years after street fighter 2. and smash released in 1999.
The time frame really isnt so huge for them to be claiming anything about 2D fighting games going on a decline and needing saving and 3D games taking over... like it all existed within the same time frame
And this isnt even mentioning all the anime fighters and other just non mainstream fighting games that released inbetween street fighter 3 and 4. And all the street fighter rereleases that were successful between 3 and 4 as well.
Gotta thank Capcom for SFIV. That game definitely revived the SF franchise and fighting games once again.🔥🔥
Nice video
I have some great memories playing this on 360
Its Maximilian GOAT
I got my SFIV at launch and after 3-4 days my X360 had the 3RL. Back at the time, I got my 360 without warranty. I was so hyped that I got a new 360 on the next day.
Great Vid
Sf4 was a great time to be a fighting game fan. It wasn't the the same as when sf2 dropped but it's the closest we can get in terms of the hype around it.
Played Street Fighter 3 2nd impact in the hospital.
This just made me want to buy SF4 again...I remember playing it on my dad's phone back in the day...good times....
Still love to play SFIV
Street Fighter 4 was nearly perfect!! I just wish they hadn't changed all of the theme songs for everyone. Or added so much extra instrumentalization to the songs that you lose the clarity to their themes like we had in Street Fighter 2. Same thing happened in Street Fighter 5. You can't tell anyone's theme except for Rashid's. And that's only because you hear them singing "RAAAHH-SHEEEE-DOOOOHHHHHHHH!!" through the whole thing! It's truly a shame because I would have loved to have a cool CViper theme song that sounds like a spy theme or hear what Manon's or Kimberly's theme is.
I definitely remember this year, people thought it was over for the sf series and then boom sf4 single handedly revived the series. Kinda crazy sfV did so bad when it first released I was highly upset with it.
I feel SF5 woulda did better if it got released on multiple consoles.
@@DonYoGi8331 SF5 was released in a barebones state, being multiplat wouldn't have helped a bit.
@@DonYoGi8331 the problem was that there was nothing in it at the start. and only a few characters. No arcade mode, no ranked mode, no tournament mode, etc
Yooo you guys got Max!? That's big
SFIV was massive, I remember during that time in major arcade places in malls that a lot of player are queueing to play the game. It was also the time when Tekken 6 and 5 DR was still popular, and people are still playing MVC2 but the people who are waiting in the queue were not as many as SFIV. Its like around 70 to 80% of the people were there to play SFIV and the remaining percentage were watching or playing other games.
Anyone remember Sf4 on mobile? It kinda had a version of "modern" controls, with 1 tap supers. Playing online worked surprisingly well, AND it actually looked good on my iphone 4s
-sits- "Let's talk about fighting games"
Me: YEAHHHH
I honestly believe (my personal opinion) that Street Fighter 4 is the greatest street fighter ever made. I remember vanilla version SF4 grindijg for months and months online and playing againsy locals for money. SF4 super was sooo huge as well. All the tournament hype, the comebacks, combos, the super and ultra moves I really do believe are much better than any other SF game out there. Animation was very fluid. Focus attack was a huge game changer and the roster man it was the most impressive thing. I miss sf4. Now that's I'm playing street fighter 6 it really doesn't feel the same anymore. The drive rush is not as ground breaking as what the focus attack did.
He mentioned Soul Calibur but not the Sega Dreamcast?!? That game almost single handily destroyed arcades. It blew the arcade version out the water not a big deal I guess 😂
It’s the other way around. Dreamcast had half the memory of Naomi boards. It was Sega’s ingenuity that made the home ports work, but they were not definitely better than the arcade.
@@saynotop2w the arcade version of Soul Calibur was powered by a suped up Namco Ps1 arcade board. The Dreamcast version better in every conceivable way