V12 Drift Car | 5L 700HP Engine Build [TECH TALK]
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- Опубліковано 5 жов 2024
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700HP, 9500RPM. This is what a 5L V12 Nissan S14 Silvia drift car looks and sounds like.
This V12 naturally aspirated 1GZ-FE quad cam power plant is quite the talking point of Jaron Olivecronas Partstrader Nissan S14 drift car. Originally from a Toyota Century, there really is very little left from the factory after Hartley Racing Engines got their hands on it. With CNC ported heads, bespoke rods, pistons and numerous other CAD designed parts the goal is for the engine to become a small production run for kit-set cars.
Andre runs us through the engine including some of the critical aspects that go into getting the power produced from the car's supply of E85 fuel in the right rev ranges and to the ground via the TTi 5 speed sequential box. With an SR20DET and RB26DETT previously powering Jaron around the track, we approve of the switch up and hope you enjoy the onboard full noise footage of the 1GZ-FE in action at the end of the clip.
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Glad to finally see a real drift car without turbos, it sounds amazing!
The noise should be in some of those UA-cam relaxation videos instead of rain and whales eh! Magic - Taz.
@@hpa101 Definitely
It has been turbocharged lately i guess?
Glad to see a Silvia without an ls lol
Christopher Belanger yeah it got twin turbocharged
edit: nvm it didn’t *i think*
You have to be pretty confident in your engineers to use a 1GZ-FE as platform, especially when you consider the lack of after market support. results speak for themselves though, N/A 140HP per litre is insane.
You don't need any aftermarket support when you ARE the aftermarket support.
@@MrFoulksy hell yeah best comment
Everyone knows these guy built a huyabusa based v8 that was cutom everything and patented was sold off to someone else..
Doesn't it also use similar parts as a 1jz?
@@hunteraltman4762 nope
God I love the insanely complete deep technical dive you do on every video!
Cheers Matt! Lucky to find some awesome stuff like this to dive into :) - Taz.
Even in this video you can feel how smooth and balanced that engine is.
Read an article saying that they just made a new engine but with 2 turbos now making just over 1000 HP.
Yes I saw the car on the weekend and was lucky enough to have a quick chat with the builder. She is twin turbo now so we're due and update next time we catch it at an event =) - Taz.
Awesome that it’s something different. Much respect for that. Not just another ls swap. Keep it and never quit.
The sound of clutch kicking never gets old 😀😀
Daamn! Was expecting a top secret supra style build :)) NA e85 combo sounds amazing. Wish my drift car had even half this engine.
Smoky is crazy to make his own V12 using 2 1JZ block and heads. And twin turbo it. Def up there among the Blitz R34 clocking 340+km/h on the highway.
Lin Chester Smokey's Supra had a 1GZ FE not two JZ engines
Hell yeah v12’s!!!
Yet another reason why I should move to New ZealandXD
We've got the beers waiting in the chilly bin for you Isaiah! See you soon :D - Taz.
Yeah that's why most of NZ moved to Australia - it's cheaper.
Such an underrated channel!
I dig it! I swear it sounds like a Pagani Zonda C12 S.
Would be cheaper to get the Zonda motor. 90s s600 and sl600 4 valve motors are cheaper then the 1gz after this video came out
I heard they went to turbos recently. In doing the math, 700hp crank should be about the theoretical limit of a sub 12:1 compression 5.0L engine. If they were getting 350 lb-ft of torque and roughly 600hp at the wheels or better, then that's about where they needed to be for N/A and if they wanted or needed more after that, forced induction kinda is the primary answer. Though I'm also of the thought that they could've gone 14:1 to 16:1, threw E90 and/or water injection at it and gotten another 100lb-ft and 150hp at the wheels, especially if they talked with David Vizard about the intake runners, combustion chamber, and cam selection.
Yes I think within a year of this interview they popped turbos on. We haven't bumped into the car since this interview though - Taz.
That thing sounded crazy. I'm getting some mad ideas
lol Jack pole holding bonnet... like a boss
Cool report - you may recall my mentioning this engine and Hartley engineering a fair few months back, following their featuring in a RaceCar Engineering article. I think I also had some links to videos of this very car?
Those of you who followed WEC and, more recently, F1 may be aware of one of the family's youngsters, Brandon
Great detail, have wanted to understand this combination for months. Thanks 👌🏼
Man im really considering putting a 1gz into my na supra. Imagine a 450hp screaming v12 supra jesus!
Been done pal.
www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/buying-maintenance/a14440939/top-secret-toyota-supra-v12-for-sale/
Search for supra supreme, they are building a kit for fitting the v12 into supra (with twin turbo) and it is a much better build than the Top Secret build.
There NO AFTERMARKET so good luck
@@tony_5156 ah see thats where my engineering degree comes in. Since i have no interest in ever working in the field it will finally be useful lol
Welp looks like my next engine swap will be a Toyota V12 swap instead of the boring LS swap for my GT86
Lin Chester ?
@@666AL r/whoosh
@@linchester8464 Thats not how woooosh's work bro
Great idea!
Have fun with fitting it
Oh my! I think this would be perfect for swap to an old 8 series BMW
No because bmw has its own v12’s..
@@msengineeringdavid3148 which are shit
Need one of these in a 95 acura nsx 😉 😎
Sick
Why is he so surprised that they modeled the components in CAD? When he said that I had to check the date on the video .
Dang it! Now I have to find myself a 1GZFE *and* a vehicle to swap it into :(
Do it! We'll give you all the peer pressure you need haha - Taz.
Ouuuuuuuu this engine might be perfect if not too pricey. 40k or less hopefully.....
Jam it into a superlite slc kit car. Set it up with a little bit of forced induction.
Sourced a next block. Get a billet one made. Get it sleeved. Rebuild it all into new block. Add high boost.
I wonder what that other lever is for? hood latch I presume.
Recorded horizontally😀👍
Makes it hard for the IGTV versions, but otherwise it's the only way to go 😎 - Taz.
I'm curious as to why 1GZ-FE was picked over M120 as the base engine. Is it cost or size/weight considerations?
I can only imagine the price of that engine.
Seen a front cut for sale one time for like 5 grand
eBay has them 3k USD all day long.
Very check, almost same price as a 1/2 JZ
Is this the same Hartley that makes the V8 Hayabusa engine?
Yes
seen this on their facebook, it's insane :O
any idea what the head flow cfm is?
The 1GZ-FE is a really cool engine with a lot of headroom if you're willing to rip its guts out and put a lot of effort into it. I'm not necessarily convinced that it's the ideal engine for a drift car, though, but it seems to have worked out well enough for their needs, so what do I know?
is there such a thing as an ideal engine for a drift car though? so long as it makes the power you want reliably does it matter what it is? it's not exactly formula one where an extra 20 kilos is going to ruin your entire year.
@@kantina4765 typically you still want a lighter engine to allow the car to pivot where you want it to rather than be dragged along by the considerable bulk of a larger engine. But, as I said, it seems to work for them.
The only reliable V12, I’d definitely put it into a Lamborghini “diablo” kit car
Might as well built a billet v8 block designed to take k20 vtec heads. 1000 rwhp NA potential.
There are also NA lsx blocks that can kiss 1000 rwhp.
You're of course free to build what you prefer while others will build what they prefer. In my opinion, if everyone did the same thing you'd never discover new combinations (such as what you mention when they were undergoing RnD) and life would also be way more boring ;) - Taz.
This engine would be cool in a Lexus LS
What ECU are they running?
This^
Haltec
Talk about branching out, could have done with an LS3 but no.
This vs 4rotor ?...
The secret supra engine ❤
Thats got to be some sort of record for NA HP/L yeah?
drongo jonkins NA Honda engines surpass 150 hp/L pretty regularly
Not even close.
Honda is king of NA hp/l. K series engines are currently around 190 WHP per liter on drag spec.
Yeah ok thanks guys. That crown v12 would be pushing shit uphill to be a record holder with the slightly agricultural cam drive. I guess rotaries dont count at 350/1.3 superbikes are getting up there,, ducati is getting 230/L out of there latest 1L v4 R model
A highly debated topic as engines that use alcohol fuels aren’t technically N/A.
What was the compression ratio mentioned?
13:1
Who else wants to see it get twin turbo.
I guess it already is. Video was from a year ago and I saw a couple comments saying they twin turbo'd it. Time to do a Google search
@@matthewmcclain1316 just saw it as well
What would be the cost of and Would they be interested in selling a road version of this engine as a 2jz swap mated up to a 6speed getrag, 600hp be sufficent?
You'd need to get in touch with Hartley directly for that question - Taz.
Isn't this turbo now?
Yes sir. Think it's pushing 1000HP now - Taz.
@@hpa101 😍😍😍🔥
Imagine a 1jz with close to 400hp na
Which engine control unit ?
Not 100%, but I would assume a Link ECU - Taz.
Beer casting?
Yes please - Taz.
v12 dohc
All I heard was blah blah rods an pistons, sent the cams out to get reground. Oh an we did some head work. Now we want 40 grand for 2 grand worth of work.
Yeah hartley are cowboys biggest mistake I ever made was using them. Never Again, wouldn't wish it upon anyone.
A Barra from a taxi with a hair dryer bolted on it will pull 700 all day, minus the 2nd mortgage...
You're welcome to run that in your own setup, but at lot of people like to do something that they find personally interesting - Taz.
@@hpa101 Totally agree. You can't beat 12 cylinders....just for the bling factor alone. Just horsepower is a lot easier these days.
This was something the engine builder wanted to undertake to do something different from his day to day and to have a bit of fun with the project which puts a bit of a different spin on things too.
If no one tried anything different though we'd probably all still be running Ford V8's from the 30's or something either way I guess - Taz.
Now put a big fucking cranked supercharger out the bonnet
It's actually turbocharged now =) - Taz.
@@hpa101 mmmmm that's extremely satisfying to know, fuck yeah
Everyone knows these guy built a huyabusa based v8 that was cutom everything and patented was sold off to someone else..
That was Hartley Enterprises, different company but easily mixed up. Their Busa based V8 ended up in the Arial Atom I think, and at the same time Radical developed their own for their SR8 chassis - Taz.
It's an F Toyota cylinder head, how is that surprise that you have really work the heads to get them to flow... if it was a G head design it would be designed to make power from the factory. F heads are designed for efficiency, and the 1GZ was designed for smooth operation and power delivery not peak power.
What was the compretion again ?
yes
How many rpm has this engine ?
Cool engine but don't know why you need a lot of horsepower to drift your not racing anybody lol
Its funny I used to argue the same thing. It was explained to me that if you have lots of HP it allows you to run wider rear tyres therefore you get more grip, if you have more grip you will accelerate out of corners faster while still drifting and therefore get further away from your opponent if you are the lead car. Ends up getting you more points. Also makes it easier to catch the leading car if you need to. If you have skinny tyres and less HP you will hardly speed up at all if the tyres are burning rubber.
one thing we can agree on though is why the F do burnout cars need so much power just to spin tyres lol
@@MattBerrymotorsport Yep sounds plausible. As for burnout cars i guess you could just bolt a blower on with nothing in it and get the same reaction? Nobody can see after 10 seconds anyway lol
@@kart44 dead right 😂😂
You make the case for twins! Spool and top end. The dam weight of the exhaust housing has always been a thorn. If someone could make an exhaust housing with half the weight of cast iron it would be amazing! That's one ultra expensive chunk of machined inconel though. It can only be machined with high speed ceramic tooling only adding to the cost.
You can now 3d print inconel. So maybe turbo manifolds and turbo exhaust housings will become more common place in the future.
@@CP110 Funny you should say that. I just shot an email to Axiom materials this morning. FRCMC or fiber reinforced ceramic matrix composites have finally become easily available aftermarket. At 1/3 the weight of inconel by volume it's definitely the future. It's still not cheap at $1,500 a pound for prepreg fabric. It's processed like carbon fiber but it has to be sintered at 1500° to 1800°C. I'm thinking I could sell ultralight turbos and make a buck or two. The greatest benefit with the ceramics is thermal efficiency. All current materials for the exhaust turbines are thermal conductors. A ceramic housing and cmc wrapped and baked manifold/header and downpipe will reduce underhood temp by 50%? Maybe more. Still stupid expensive. Same thing with the sintering oven.
Awesome