I'm REALLY not proud of how long it took me to connect the "This Game is Why The Imperium Banned AI". Like, I was under the impression that it was actually going to be touching on a lore reason that it wasn't until the very end that I had the "Oh, I'm dumb" moment lol. Fantastic video friend, appreciates ya.
Having suffered through the game years back, I picked up on the joke pretty quickly. To get an idea of how bad the AI in this game was, just imagine the sh*tshow that is CA's Total War AI...but somehow worse. Less decisive and possibly drunk.
Tbh the first half of the video is the main driving factor for why the imperium suppresses ai and similar technologies. They need big armies with lots of people and subjects who cannot fight them, an automated factory produces no soldiers during peace and has no masses of workers who need to be convinced when its owned decides to go to war. It is impossible for the imperium to keep track of every spec of plutonium in a factory that makes batteries by the million or find the few lines of code needed to secret it away, it is impossible for the thousands of people who would be required to do the work manually to even organize themselves enough to build a bomb if they wanted to.
There's a piece of art for this game that has a hilarious (at least to me) error: it shows a complete, unfired rifle cartridge zipping across the frame, like the artist doesn't know how bullets work.
I've seen a lot of games and CGI in movies do this where they even actually even slow down the tracking of the shot like trying to hype up watching this bullet spin through the air and it still got its casing on it lmao
Necromunda: we don't talk about the Porcelain Hills composed entirely of discarded bathroom appliances, let alone the Dollhead Wastes, or the ever-shifting, blue-tinged layers of the Biro Morass. We stay in the hives where things are (relatively) safe and sane. All they had to do was make X-Comunda. It was _that_ simple.
Dozens of people have tried to make "X-Com, but new" and most to some degree failed. UFO: After series, UFO: Extraterrestials, even Julian Gollop himself tried it with Laser Squad Nemesis. It's not *easy* thing to do is what I'm saying. The same with "Jagged Alliance but new". And as we see here, "Mordheim but new".
@@ShinoSarna The thing is that "Mordheim but new" only works because it's "Old Mordheim with tacky trash stapled on". That's it. You take X-Com and staple things on it, and hope you're not shyte at game development or writing and the things you staple aren't from a burning dumpster fire. In this case you take X-Com and you staple Necromunda lore on it, and maybe pray you didn't copy patented mechanics when you made basically a total conversion of X-Com.
@@Kirbyoto2098 Besides, X-Com is balanced around exactly two factions: XCom and aliens. When a new faction was added in Enemy Within, that was topic of an entire DLC, and even then they were pretty close to XCom in weapons and tactics. Obviously you can't do that in Necromunda, where you have three different factions - all playable - and five with the DLC.
The annoying thing about the cut-scenes is how EVERYONE is wearing a re-breather. I guess it's easier to do translations id there's no lip-synch to work around.
10:16 - bold of you to assume they’ll stop there and not start shipping in raw materials from elsewhere. I’m sure stripmining the rest of the system alone would keep it going for at least a couple more millennia.
It's adorable that you don't realise that is actually how it is done. The system, and beyond, is stripped shipped to the hives, raw materials go down, manufactured goods travel up, trade tightly controlled by the Guild of Traders with the only way to increase your wealth by searching the Underhive and Sump for rare items to sell to the Guilders.
"A member of House Orlock doesn't live across the street from a Goliath, or, go next door to borrow a cup of starch from their House Escher neighbor." Well maybe if they did they'd have better luck overthrowing those above them. But of course that wouldn't be suitably grimdark.
I play a lot of Necromunda (the tabletop wargame), and I have to say that this is one of the best explanations of the world and lore of Necromunda on UA-cam. Amazing work!
no kidding. Like. I'm not even into 40k (I'm just here because I trust William to talk about interesting things) and now *I* wanna play Necromunda just to get a taste of the setting.
@@neoqwerty It's definitely the best 40k setting IMO, and its super easy to get into. Unlike 40k where you need a whole army, all you really need for Necromunda is one kit (the gang you like) and people to play the game with.
I’ve been thinking about running a wrath and glory campaign in Necromunda and if I do I will 100% be showing my players this video so they understand the setting.
The weapons are also a joke. Plasma pistols that cause less damage then an Auto-pistol? Lascannons, wich in 40k are anti tank weapons that can eviscerate leman russ battle tanks that cause mild skinburns, chem and flamethrowers who do pitiable damage against people with half their bodies exposed. Theres barely any weapon that feels "right" compared to its 40k origin. From what i remember the game was rushed out of the door cause the developer desperatly needed money. And the AI was even worse at launch... for example: They honestly had issues with grenading themselves...
you know, the biggest mystery of this game is what the fuck was "the archeotech" like what the hell is it some kind of infinite energy generator? an alien device that was left in containment until it failed? an inquisitorial rosette?? an ai core of some kind? a supernatural relic? an STC that someone left charging?, the chamber its found in is very "imperial" so it cant be from the dark age of technology, the design seems imperial too, its cog like with a face in it, maybe its some kind of key? from a fallen noble house? a contained chaos relic? a control center for the power plant? a void abacus warp drive? a kind of automated security device signaling that removing the radiactive rod is 10k years overdue? a fancy switch? some kind of computer someone left doing calculations? personally i think it isnt archeotech at all, its just a battery that the lightning from the intro hit, maybe its an improved battery? some kind of munition? WhO KnOWS???? it was probably going to be explored in a dlc, but it never was, it could also be an space marine recruitement invitation
The multiplayer campaign has also clearly never been actually played by the devs. Unlike the tabletop game when you lose, you lose everything (snowballing plus the loot mechanic) so the "campaign" is a ladder tournament by default
Another issue here is that in the tabletop all of the houses and gangs have tons of cool unit options. Goliath can get Stimmers who are Goliaths but even more roided up. Delaque can get Spkers who are psykers with severe hydrocephaly and atrophied bodies. Every gang comes out looking really cool and unique and instantly recognizable as being from a specific House or gang. In the PC game you're just running a gang of generic guys and ladies and that's really disappointing.
I wanna say Underhive War the game released prior to the switch to the House Of book format, where units like Prospekts were added, though yes a general lack of Brutes is still pretty egrigious. Exotic Beasts also is a lacking mechanic, though I do see servo skulls which can perform as a similar mechanic (though nowhere near a cybermastiff, phyrrcat, or a sumpkroc.)
47:12 Well no. He doesn't need a forth gang or anything like that. He is probably waiting just outside where those three are fighting with his tiny, but loyal forces waiting to kill the last gang alive and take the prize for himself. The plan was to grind down both local and invading gangs till whatever force was left would be so broken their easy to finish off. Its a classic ploy of letting others do the hard work.
Honestly I think it was part of the plan, it wasn't about recovering the tech, it was about starting a war cause it was too stable down there, which is bad for business.
This game was legit worse than the iPhone app that a sister studio did. Sadly it’s gone now because it was a game as service and their license ran out. 6 months later another studio came out with a Necromunda fps and it’s actually super fun
An important part of Warhammer's appeal that does not enter the actual tabletop game, is the scenery. Which individual models, understandably, lack - but videogames have by default. When you look at a mini of a spacemarine, nothing in the model itself suggests the world they live in, or the ideology they hold - it's just a dude in embellished power armour.
I played both this and the Mordheim PC game. I can't really see how this is considered the worse of the two, though admittedly I am not entrenched in the ruleset for either. Necromunda looked good and felt relatively good in terms of UI and presentation. Mordheim felt clunky, ugly and frustrating. I'm sure if I was more competitive and rule-oriented I might see the difference, but to me, Necromunda was a fun video game and Mordheim was a chore.
@@Vyolette13 imo the mordhiem atmosphere is really well done same with things like the story missions being kinda neet necromunda lacked alot of the charm imo
@ I really liked the atmosphere of Mordheim, Warhammer fantasy is one of my favourite settings! It was the structure of it all and the absurd difficulty that broke it for me.
Mordheims AI is less dumb then Necromundas is what it boils down to, characters don't disengage from combat to run around the map, shout at themselves a few times then walk into a trap in Mordheim
My mates and I played a lot of tabletop Necromunda back in the day and we were all excited when this game came out. Finally, even tho people now had less time because of families and some even moved overseas, we could play together again online. Then we tried the multiplayer mode of this game. Not sure if it has been fixed since, but back then at launch there was a recurring bug where everything would go smoothly in a multiplayer game until you finished the mission, at which point it would crash to desktop and you would have no saves of the mission so it was just a waste of the last hour or so of your life.
The very first design choice I encountered, and couldn't get past, was the interface. This is the only third-person strategy game in existence. There is no reason for that to happen. (and the controls, as a result, can't rely on the usual "click on the icons" approach - but instead opt in favor of really bizarre, console-like contextual menus) And yet, when I asked why could this even be a thing, I encountered a bunch of fans defending it - from context, it seemed like they don't normally play strategy/tactics games. Question "why is it in third-person?" was met primarily with "should it have been in first?". The second choice, is the aesthetics: Mordheim the tabletop, is drawing people in not by the models, or the rules - but by illustrations with the palpable gritty texture. The closest stylistic match in recent videogames, would be Darkest Dungeon. And yet, Mordheim videogame looks like generic fantasy with a grey filter. When tactical games are considered, performance should always take precendence before graphics: people who want graphics, play other genres anyway. And more so, if graphics get in the way of having a full warband.
Necromunda REALLY isn't much more affordable than regular Warhammer. Less models, sure, but as they're from the specialist arm they're much more expensive and almost never available cheap. Just in case some new player thinks Necromunda is a good place to start.. Kill Team is a similar game that uses the far cheaper, and more widely available 'regular' 40k models.
Aren't they in the same scale as regular WH40K? "Unfamiliar" with either, but can't you just kitbash/convert models between the two? Or is it more of the "no proxies" thing?
I dunno about KT tbh. While yes, a current-edition KT will 'only' cost you 75 USD, Hivestorm's edition seems to also be leaning towards that extra equipment and token approach to try and compete with games like MCP/Shatterpoint. At least they've moved back to true measurements and not symbols. Not counting if they 'retire' a faction like many of the older bespoked KTs in favor of the boxset ones.
@@bouin91you can't really kitbash because the design elements for the various gangs don't show up elsewhere for the most part. If you're planning to play with proxies at an independent venue then that can be done, but you'd still be limited by the availability of model kits that fit the GW scale and look right as gangers. Necromunda's aesthetic is basically cyberpunk crossed with Mad Max and it's a challenge to make other kits conform to that design language.
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 Ok, then it's understandable. I remember looking at minis from GW(for a completely different game), but went for some more "generic" minis. I was unable to explain to myself why I'd pay 50€ for five models when I could get 10+ for 40€.
I’m actively working on getting a group into 40K skirmish games, and strongly considering running a Wrath & Glory game set in Necromunda. The Lore section of this video will be REQUIRED viewing. Holy shit that’s the best hive city lore video I’ve ever seen on UA-cam.
I remember learning about Necromunda along the same time I was learning about the wider 40k setting back in the late 90s, early 2000s, and it was actually a really good synergy. Necromunda does as great job of showing what life is in a hive world, how incredibly dysmal and oppressive it is, how little human life matters (forget the battlefields, the real human cost is in the manufactoriums), how unbelievably massive hive cities are and how disconnected average humans are from the imperium at large (lots of people have never seen the sky and may not even know that other cities, much less other planets even exist), and how deeply, deeply callous the noble class of the Imperium is. I kinda feel like Necromunda incoculated me against this weird "actually the imperium is good because I saw some videos on the horus heresy"-thing you have going with newer fans of the setting. The noble class of the imperium COULD NOT give a shit about humanity, they purely there for their own selfish needs and they will shovel any number of millions of workers into the furnace if it means they get a nice new drug or spiffy hat or exotic food.
I really think the humanity of the 40K universe is a monstrous revenant, the Emperor's husk in his Golden Throne is a perfect representation of the Imperium of Man as a whole. The 40K humans live a Skaven-like existence, they are honestly mostly contemptible and low, a fallen race.
The imperium isn't good, they're merely the best option left. Most people understand instinctively that the survival and dominance of their species, no matter the cost, is preferable to extinction.
@@iwatchyoutubealot They're really not the best option left, they're inefficient, dogmatic, and often flat-out silly. Why do you think Rowboat and the Emperor are so disappointed in what it's become?
@@bluegum6438 Rowboat choosing to begin reforming the Imperium is proof that it's the best chance man has. He didn't defect to the tau, he didn't have ultramar secede, he looked at the writhing, burning pile of garbage that is the imperium, and he understood that despite it all, his father's empire is man's only hope for survival in that dark galaxy, and it must be saved if man is to be saved.
Necromunda's history is the sole reason I want to see it done justice as/with an MMO. Hive wars in the Underhive, Raids out into the wastes, exploration of the deeps.
You got such a way of words and painting the scenes, and honestly this top-down cynical view of Necromunda and how it's system is specifically designed to suck is almost poetry. I'm a major convert to the current edition of Necromunda and I've been desperately been trying to sow the seeds for an underhive war locally for ages. Really does suck that the vidya adaptations are either janky or, well, *this*. Extra notes on tabletop vs video game I noticed along the way: - Necromunda's modern ruleset essentially had a version uptick somewhere between the Gangs of the Underhive book releases and the more modern House Of/Book Of style of releases that sets the book concept closer to 40k and it's codices (for better or worse, as Necromunda is very much a book-heavy system with the core rules and optional add-on rules). Biggest notable diff between V2 and V3 is Prospekts (an alternate Juve who usually gets something special like a bonus unique piece of equipment like mounts, jetpacks, or special equipment rigs) and unique skillsets for the gangs. The Ash Wastes and (current) Secundus themed campaign releases are doing similar, first incorporating vehicles and second incorporating new gang units to expand base gangs again. - On House Escher vs House Goliath: Escher's dislike of Goliath's even more ironic thanks to their role in the creation of said gang. In the pre-Helmawr era of the Gang King Wars, the pre-Eschers defeated and destroyed the original House Goliath, meanwhile in modern eras them and House Van Saar were commissioned to create basically a genetic working class abhuman that could do manual labor . Thanks to House Delaque's meddling (not present in the above presentation but think spy tropes + Shadows Over Innsmouth) the project grew a bit too free-spirited, leading to the House Goliath of today. There's a tense but symbiotic relationship with House Escher, as they still provide the chemicals for the gene-smithing of new vat-born Goliaths. - On gameplay: Keeping to the Mordheim movement feels like a bit much for Necromunda in some ways. Necromunda has two player actions per turn, split between Simple (stuff you can do twice aka moving, reloading, etc), Basic (can only be done once per turn but only cost one action, aka shooting, activating things, using an item), or Double (naturally taking all your turn and includes Charging and firing unweildy guns). Necromunda also is more than happy to take dozens of turns of back and forth to get through a game, easily hitting Turn 10 or so if all gangs are equipped competently and good playing is happening. Making you able to travel halfway across the map (and seemingly no interaction for the use of movement enhancing stuff unlike the tabletop) shows a seemingly naiveness on why Necromunda is different than Killteam or Mordheim. I agree with some commenters, an NuX-Com approach woulda been better, hell this lines up with some of the upgrades Skills give you, which can grant you new actions as well as your passives depending on which of the generic (or your factional special skill tree if applicable) can grant you. - On endgame: Honestly if a tactics-based Necromunda game was made in future, i'd love for it to feature spectacle fights in it akin to some of the weirder missions out there. Boss battles with souped up Ambots, caravan heists on the Rolling Road ruleset where the ash waste is travelling around like a blur, hell maybe even something like the actual Endgame missionpacks in Apocrypha Necromunda, where if you think you're hard enough to try to bash past the palentine enforcers and other gangs to get to a shuttle to thread the Eye of Selene and do the ultimate power play a ganger could try. These out-there arbitrator level scenarios are easily some of the best color for Necromunda. There's also a huge wealth of new gameplay mechanics and content to bring in for a newer style game like that, with mechanics like Settlement construction and Rackets and Secundus Infiltration campaigns all able to potentially add so much more to this formula.
Where does all the food come from for Necromunda? If I recall Coruscant, which was significantly less dark, (but not by much,) relied mostly on external imports of food to survive. There are also gardens at the poles and fungal harvesting from the levels below.
To expand on Williams mention of corpse starch, one of the "gang" you can play on the tabletop is straight up former members of the guild that turns corpses into food that went mad from there work and now are basically chaos cultist that ply there former trade carving Necromunda dangers and others for there dark demon god.
They should've made it an XCOM-style game, and even add in Imperial Fist Space Marines as secret hardcore bosses. Justified, Imperial Fists have not only Inwit and Terra, but also multiple other Imperial Worlds closer in Segmentum Solar from which they can recruit from. Necromunda being one of the higher quality ones.
@@jakejutras5420 Oh, sorry. Hired Gun is another example of 'Showing that the setting of Necromunda is intriguing, but the game itself is bad/average'.
The illustration at 25:00 is from the "Operation: Night Eagle" Tannhauser novel cover, not the 40k universe. It depicts Karl Zerman, one of the characters.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making this video, it’s deeply appreciated and enjoyed. I genuinely love the lore behind Necromunda and I enjoy playing it and games like Kill-Team far more than normal tabletop 40k. I just wish they had better video games to represent them. Also House Escher Forever!!!
The one thing thats always made me a little sad about Necromunda in every version of the game is it's never included the Spider Clan, a Hive gang clan, armed, trained and equipped by House Helmawr, on paper at least the whole clan counts as part of the Planatry Defence Force in effect a Hive Gang who is on the goverments payroll and probably halfway between a 40k Wagner and Blackwater. I get why they arent in game, they'd out class all their opposition to a ludicrous degree, but I wish they'd get a bit more of a mention
All the interesting decisions within a battle in Mordheim came from balancing winning the match with gathering Wyrdstone and not taking too many injuries. Removing persistence in the story mode removes 2/3 of the game.
The really maddening thing about Necromunda and in leaser extent Mordheim is that a dedicated modding community could've fixed most of the issues with both games. I mean janky cult games with dedicated fan base usually get modded to a half-way decent shape. The problem was that the creators and in some extent GW put their foot down when both games came out and basically threatened anyone willing to fix the mess or god forbid add new warbands/gangs. It's been a long time, so the coast is most likely clear and any mods will be left alone, but that initial bullshit killed any possible modding scene for both games. Oh I am sure that there are guys who have done the work to learn how the engine works and have made small mods that improve the game. And they are either too scared or too turned off from ever releasing them or connecting with each other to tackle bigger projects. (Ok Mordheim got some love, but there is still not united community, almost all of it is kept on discord and one off links) Do you know what would be a great Necromunda game? OwlCat making a Necromunda cRPG next. Their writing and quality, merged with the Necromunda lore and mechanics. And we can be sure that they will make it a game about positioning and cover.
Huh. I played and really enjoyed Necromunda: Hive Wars. While I ran into a couple of bugs, it really was just a couple over the entire campaign. I found the builds that I liked for each gang and ran with it. I didn't get much out of the non-campaign side of it, but that's not what I was playing for.
On top of the valid complaints listed here. Necromunda feels like a case of the devs listening too much to the critics. They removed much if the difficulty of Mordheim and in doing so made the game feel empty. Near zero chance of injury or death, extra looting round, more movement, few unlockables. Without consequences, ir all made the game seem so pointless to continue.
Great video! Tho saying that Mordheim is dead only because it doesn't have a new edition like 'munda does is rich. The community is going strong, many people still play it and cherish it as the greatest thing GW ever made. There are large narrative campaigm events held every year. "Dead" pssss....
Don`t forget to mention that one of the original game developer is still active in the community... and that most Mordheim fans hope that it will keep untouched by novadays GW because they fear the abomination they would most likely create ^^
@Rosti_Bene indeed. Tho modern 'munda is not bad. Most other GW titles are stupid tabletop equivalents of an eSport now and all flavour and narrative aspect is absent from them. Stopped playing those systems some time ago. Indie 28 scene all the way! 🤘
I still play Mordheim with my friends, and I'm glad GW hasn't rebooted it based on what they did with modern Necromunda, game doesn't need 20 rulebooks constantly superseding eachother
I wish they did a fallout esque rpg that lets you make a necromunda ganger.you can choose the gang your apart of or even things like ogryn slave,squat miner,palantite enforcer,or gene stealer cultist.
The end state of Necromunda as you discribe it makes no sense to me. The whole of the Hive World set-up kinda requires that the cycle continues forever. When Necromunda runs out of junk from the past to exploit, it will not be able to make and send its soldiers to the stars, given how valuable the underhive is as a training ground. The last breath of Necromunda will not be so clean.
Necromunda and Mordheim never died... They just became 'fan supported' until 2017 when Necromunda had a new edition released. You'll still find the fan supported items on a cool forum called Yak Tribe, where Mordheim still lives with fan support alongside Gorkamorka, and some fan brews of Inquistor 28 (28mm scale Inquisitor game) and Inquisi-munda (Necromunda skirmish rules, with Inquisitorial warbands).
Consider he acknowledged the fan support of Mordheim in his Mordheim video its safe to assume that when he says they died he's exclusively saying within the specific context of official support from GW
I didnt expect such and in depth analysis of Necromunda...also we all know how ridiculously big the 40k universe is but that 9:42: hit on another level🤯
I liked the idea behind speeding things up major reason i never finished Mordheim was because of how much time it consumed to recover from a single mistake or bullshit happening to your team, combined with no save features it sucked out all the fun for me because it felt like it wasnt respecting the time i put into it
So all this game needs is a mod that reduces the movement back to the movement of Mordheim and adjusts the cost of ziplines and the like. Pity that will never happen.
I start to think that first one who build adequate link between fans of thier games, fans of licenced intellectual property if it licensed and actual dev team became a monopolist... Somehow ALL devs I heard about struggle on it and especially big devs. On other hand those who at least tried became ridiculously successful like Baldurs Gate 3. It is mind boggling why publishers and devs struggle into this concept...
How did they make a necromunda game and not include enforcers? The palatine enforcers are literally one of the most important factions in necromunda because they work for the government of necromunda, which means they do just about anything from putting down genestealer uprising attempts to shaking down hivers for their lunch money, they do so much in the setting and in this game they just dont exist, at least in hired gun(which is only marginally better than this game) you still get to do missions for the enforcers, even if you dont see them in game, at least i dont think you do
There are some strategy games with 3rd person cameras that I absolutely love like Valkyria Chronicles that this game should have learned from. Like when in control of a character, it feels good to control them like a 3rd person shooter, and not like you are navigating a settings menu.
Hmm.. I couldn't make myself play Mordheim (because of bugs, too numerous heroes parameters, poor balance, etc), but played Necromunda all the way to the end.
Well,the plan is simple. He wants the tech. He clearly knows what it is and what it's worth. So he gets things rolling. And when one gang doesn't seem to be able to do the whole job,he recruits the others. And once they kill each other for the tech,he can eiter swoop in and finish off the winner and take it or just buy it off whoever they sell it to. Pretty simple plan.
Dam that looked like it would be an awesome game. Especially the size of the place and the intricacy of how you can move around in it. too bad it didn't live up to that world.
I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s never the QA testers not doing their job a lot of these things are known and reported to the devs but not worked on or taken seriously unless they are game breaking and even then not worked on if there is a work around
I honestly enjoyed the game and it did get me interested in necromunda proper. Best of all we get a rare break from space marines in 40k material, which is always welcome.
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16:35 IS that "The Crimson Permanant Assurance" ? My, my, you are a Cultured Gentleman.
I'm REALLY not proud of how long it took me to connect the "This Game is Why The Imperium Banned AI". Like, I was under the impression that it was actually going to be touching on a lore reason that it wasn't until the very end that I had the "Oh, I'm dumb" moment lol. Fantastic video friend, appreciates ya.
Having suffered through the game years back, I picked up on the joke pretty quickly. To get an idea of how bad the AI in this game was, just imagine the sh*tshow that is CA's Total War AI...but somehow worse. Less decisive and possibly drunk.
@@G1ingyI didn't get it until you guys mentioned it. 🥲
Edit: I'm still under ten minutes in, so maybe that's why.
Don't worry, everyone has their slow days from time to time.
That's heressy!
Tbh the first half of the video is the main driving factor for why the imperium suppresses ai and similar technologies. They need big armies with lots of people and subjects who cannot fight them, an automated factory produces no soldiers during peace and has no masses of workers who need to be convinced when its owned decides to go to war.
It is impossible for the imperium to keep track of every spec of plutonium in a factory that makes batteries by the million or find the few lines of code needed to secret it away, it is impossible for the thousands of people who would be required to do the work manually to even organize themselves enough to build a bomb if they wanted to.
The fact they gave all the characters gasmasks so that they didn’t have to do any lip sync will never not be funny
And then they added no goddamn fiters to any voicelines at all
That's awesome tbh.
There's a piece of art for this game that has a hilarious (at least to me) error: it shows a complete, unfired rifle cartridge zipping across the frame, like the artist doesn't know how bullets work.
The unfortunate fruits of artist who never leave their homes 😂
I've seen a lot of games and CGI in movies do this where they even actually even slow down the tracking of the shot like trying to hype up watching this bullet spin through the air and it still got its casing on it lmao
"here at Necromunda science, we fire the whole bullet! That's 65 percent more bullet per bullet!"
@@ewill3435 That'd be a whole lot more bullet per bullet than 65% for most cartridges.
Was it a bolt gun bullet? The bolt gun ammunition are like tiny missiles so the cartridge would contain the propellant.
Necromunda: we don't talk about the Porcelain Hills composed entirely of discarded bathroom appliances, let alone the Dollhead Wastes, or the ever-shifting, blue-tinged layers of the Biro Morass. We stay in the hives where things are (relatively) safe and sane.
All they had to do was make X-Comunda. It was _that_ simple.
Dozens of people have tried to make "X-Com, but new" and most to some degree failed. UFO: After series, UFO: Extraterrestials, even Julian Gollop himself tried it with Laser Squad Nemesis. It's not *easy* thing to do is what I'm saying. The same with "Jagged Alliance but new".
And as we see here, "Mordheim but new".
@@ShinoSarna The thing is that "Mordheim but new" only works because it's "Old Mordheim with tacky trash stapled on".
That's it. You take X-Com and staple things on it, and hope you're not shyte at game development or writing and the things you staple aren't from a burning dumpster fire.
In this case you take X-Com and you staple Necromunda lore on it, and maybe pray you didn't copy patented mechanics when you made basically a total conversion of X-Com.
@@neoqwerty X-Com is a game about reactive defense missions with escalating stakes, how exactly would that translate to Necromunda?
@@Kirbyoto2098 Besides, X-Com is balanced around exactly two factions: XCom and aliens. When a new faction was added in Enemy Within, that was topic of an entire DLC, and even then they were pretty close to XCom in weapons and tactics.
Obviously you can't do that in Necromunda, where you have three different factions - all playable - and five with the DLC.
@@ShinoSarna They made "X-Com but new" for 40k, it's called Mechanicus.
It all was part of DeVos' plan. He doesn't care about the archeotech, but he has a ginormous humiliation kink.
The annoying thing about the cut-scenes is how EVERYONE is wearing a re-breather. I guess it's easier to do translations id there's no lip-synch to work around.
Or animation in general. Don't need to know how to realistically animate lip flaps, when all that's hidden under a mask.
10:16 - bold of you to assume they’ll stop there and not start shipping in raw materials from elsewhere. I’m sure stripmining the rest of the system alone would keep it going for at least a couple more millennia.
It's adorable that you don't realise that is actually how it is done. The system, and beyond, is stripped shipped to the hives, raw materials go down, manufactured goods travel up, trade tightly controlled by the Guild of Traders with the only way to increase your wealth by searching the Underhive and Sump for rare items to sell to the Guilders.
"A member of House Orlock doesn't live across the street from a Goliath, or, go next door to borrow a cup of starch from their House Escher neighbor." Well maybe if they did they'd have better luck overthrowing those above them. But of course that wouldn't be suitably grimdark.
I play a lot of Necromunda (the tabletop wargame), and I have to say that this is one of the best explanations of the world and lore of Necromunda on UA-cam.
Amazing work!
no kidding. Like. I'm not even into 40k (I'm just here because I trust William to talk about interesting things) and now *I* wanna play Necromunda just to get a taste of the setting.
@@neoqwerty It's definitely the best 40k setting IMO, and its super easy to get into. Unlike 40k where you need a whole army, all you really need for Necromunda is one kit (the gang you like) and people to play the game with.
I’ve been thinking about running a wrath and glory campaign in Necromunda and if I do I will 100% be showing my players this video so they understand the setting.
The weapons are also a joke. Plasma pistols that cause less damage then an Auto-pistol? Lascannons, wich in 40k are anti tank weapons that can eviscerate leman russ battle tanks that cause mild skinburns, chem and flamethrowers who do pitiable damage against people with half their bodies exposed. Theres barely any weapon that feels "right" compared to its 40k origin.
From what i remember the game was rushed out of the door cause the developer desperatly needed money. And the AI was even worse at launch... for example: They honestly had issues with grenading themselves...
I always get so absorbed in your lore section that I often forget the video game the video is about
you know, the biggest mystery of this game is what the fuck was "the archeotech" like what the hell is it some kind of infinite energy generator? an alien device that was left in containment until it failed? an inquisitorial rosette?? an ai core of some kind? a supernatural relic? an STC that someone left charging?, the chamber its found in is very "imperial" so it cant be from the dark age of technology, the design seems imperial too, its cog like with a face in it, maybe its some kind of key? from a fallen noble house? a contained chaos relic? a control center for the power plant? a void abacus warp drive? a kind of automated security device signaling that removing the radiactive rod is 10k years overdue? a fancy switch? some kind of computer someone left doing calculations? personally i think it isnt archeotech at all, its just a battery that the lightning from the intro hit, maybe its an improved battery? some kind of munition? WhO KnOWS???? it was probably going to be explored in a dlc, but it never was, it could also be an space marine recruitement invitation
The multiplayer campaign has also clearly never been actually played by the devs. Unlike the tabletop game when you lose, you lose everything (snowballing plus the loot mechanic) so the "campaign" is a ladder tournament by default
Another issue here is that in the tabletop all of the houses and gangs have tons of cool unit options. Goliath can get Stimmers who are Goliaths but even more roided up. Delaque can get Spkers who are psykers with severe hydrocephaly and atrophied bodies. Every gang comes out looking really cool and unique and instantly recognizable as being from a specific House or gang. In the PC game you're just running a gang of generic guys and ladies and that's really disappointing.
I wanna say Underhive War the game released prior to the switch to the House Of book format, where units like Prospekts were added, though yes a general lack of Brutes is still pretty egrigious. Exotic Beasts also is a lacking mechanic, though I do see servo skulls which can perform as a similar mechanic (though nowhere near a cybermastiff, phyrrcat, or a sumpkroc.)
47:12 Well no. He doesn't need a forth gang or anything like that. He is probably waiting just outside where those three are fighting with his tiny, but loyal forces waiting to kill the last gang alive and take the prize for himself. The plan was to grind down both local and invading gangs till whatever force was left would be so broken their easy to finish off. Its a classic ploy of letting others do the hard work.
You know.. If Tzeentch was a human who was old and senile, I think he would be Devos. The skit at the end 47:43 sold me on that
Honestly I think it was part of the plan, it wasn't about recovering the tech, it was about starting a war cause it was too stable down there, which is bad for business.
Happy Sunday to you William
YOU TOO, BROTHER
This game was legit worse than the iPhone app that a sister studio did. Sadly it’s gone now because it was a game as service and their license ran out.
6 months later another studio came out with a Necromunda fps and it’s actually super fun
It’s probably telling you can often find this game on sale for like four bucks.
I was waiting for a mention of it being a recruitment world for the Imperial Fists.
I feel like Warhammer games stand mostly on visuals, sounds and overall "feeling" of 40k/Old World/Mortal Planes/others. Gameplay comes next.
Deathwing had it. Didn't make it far with that gameplay
Emulating the tabletop hobby perfectly in that reguard. No one plays 40k because the rules are good.
most but not all, darktide is good and sm2 did very well
An important part of Warhammer's appeal that does not enter the actual tabletop game, is the scenery. Which individual models, understandably, lack - but videogames have by default.
When you look at a mini of a spacemarine, nothing in the model itself suggests the world they live in, or the ideology they hold - it's just a dude in embellished power armour.
I played both this and the Mordheim PC game. I can't really see how this is considered the worse of the two, though admittedly I am not entrenched in the ruleset for either. Necromunda looked good and felt relatively good in terms of UI and presentation. Mordheim felt clunky, ugly and frustrating. I'm sure if I was more competitive and rule-oriented I might see the difference, but to me, Necromunda was a fun video game and Mordheim was a chore.
I’m so glad I’m not the only one who had issues with Mordheim, I felt like I was crazy reading all the positive reviews for it.
Mordheim AI cheats
@@Vyolette13 imo the mordhiem atmosphere is really well done same with things like the story missions being kinda neet necromunda lacked alot of the charm imo
@ I really liked the atmosphere of Mordheim, Warhammer fantasy is one of my favourite settings! It was the structure of it all and the absurd difficulty that broke it for me.
Mordheims AI is less dumb then Necromundas is what it boils down to, characters don't disengage from combat to run around the map, shout at themselves a few times then walk into a trap in Mordheim
My mates and I played a lot of tabletop Necromunda back in the day and we were all excited when this game came out. Finally, even tho people now had less time because of families and some even moved overseas, we could play together again online. Then we tried the multiplayer mode of this game. Not sure if it has been fixed since, but back then at launch there was a recurring bug where everything would go smoothly in a multiplayer game until you finished the mission, at which point it would crash to desktop and you would have no saves of the mission so it was just a waste of the last hour or so of your life.
The very first design choice I encountered, and couldn't get past, was the interface.
This is the only third-person strategy game in existence. There is no reason for that to happen.
(and the controls, as a result, can't rely on the usual "click on the icons" approach - but instead opt in favor of really bizarre, console-like contextual menus)
And yet, when I asked why could this even be a thing, I encountered a bunch of fans defending it - from context, it seemed like they don't normally play strategy/tactics games. Question "why is it in third-person?" was met primarily with "should it have been in first?".
The second choice, is the aesthetics: Mordheim the tabletop, is drawing people in not by the models, or the rules - but by illustrations with the palpable gritty texture. The closest stylistic match in recent videogames, would be Darkest Dungeon. And yet, Mordheim videogame looks like generic fantasy with a grey filter.
When tactical games are considered, performance should always take precendence before graphics: people who want graphics, play other genres anyway. And more so, if graphics get in the way of having a full warband.
Necromunda REALLY isn't much more affordable than regular Warhammer. Less models, sure, but as they're from the specialist arm they're much more expensive and almost never available cheap. Just in case some new player thinks Necromunda is a good place to start.. Kill Team is a similar game that uses the far cheaper, and more widely available 'regular' 40k models.
Aren't they in the same scale as regular WH40K? "Unfamiliar" with either, but can't you just kitbash/convert models between the two? Or is it more of the "no proxies" thing?
I dunno about KT tbh. While yes, a current-edition KT will 'only' cost you 75 USD, Hivestorm's edition seems to also be leaning towards that extra equipment and token approach to try and compete with games like MCP/Shatterpoint. At least they've moved back to true measurements and not symbols. Not counting if they 'retire' a faction like many of the older bespoked KTs in favor of the boxset ones.
@@bouin91you can't really kitbash because the design elements for the various gangs don't show up elsewhere for the most part. If you're planning to play with proxies at an independent venue then that can be done, but you'd still be limited by the availability of model kits that fit the GW scale and look right as gangers. Necromunda's aesthetic is basically cyberpunk crossed with Mad Max and it's a challenge to make other kits conform to that design language.
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 Ok, then it's understandable. I remember looking at minis from GW(for a completely different game), but went for some more "generic" minis. I was unable to explain to myself why I'd pay 50€ for five models when I could get 10+ for 40€.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 KT third edition is free rules and you only need one cheap squad to play. Really can’t get much cheaper than that.
DeVos’ plans are so complex you can’t even begin to understand them, Will. Even this video was all part of the plan!
I’m actively working on getting a group into 40K skirmish games, and strongly considering running a Wrath & Glory game set in Necromunda. The Lore section of this video will be REQUIRED viewing. Holy shit that’s the best hive city lore video I’ve ever seen on UA-cam.
I remember learning about Necromunda along the same time I was learning about the wider 40k setting back in the late 90s, early 2000s, and it was actually a really good synergy. Necromunda does as great job of showing what life is in a hive world, how incredibly dysmal and oppressive it is, how little human life matters (forget the battlefields, the real human cost is in the manufactoriums), how unbelievably massive hive cities are and how disconnected average humans are from the imperium at large (lots of people have never seen the sky and may not even know that other cities, much less other planets even exist), and how deeply, deeply callous the noble class of the Imperium is. I kinda feel like Necromunda incoculated me against this weird "actually the imperium is good because I saw some videos on the horus heresy"-thing you have going with newer fans of the setting. The noble class of the imperium COULD NOT give a shit about humanity, they purely there for their own selfish needs and they will shovel any number of millions of workers into the furnace if it means they get a nice new drug or spiffy hat or exotic food.
I really think the humanity of the 40K universe is a monstrous revenant, the Emperor's husk in his Golden Throne is a perfect representation of the Imperium of Man as a whole. The 40K humans live a Skaven-like existence, they are honestly mostly contemptible and low, a fallen race.
The imperium isn't good, they're merely the best option left. Most people understand instinctively that the survival and dominance of their species, no matter the cost, is preferable to extinction.
@@iwatchyoutubealot They're really not the best option left, they're inefficient, dogmatic, and often flat-out silly. Why do you think Rowboat and the Emperor are so disappointed in what it's become?
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Rowboat choosing to begin reforming the Imperium is proof that it's the best chance man has. He didn't defect to the tau, he didn't have ultramar secede, he looked at the writhing, burning pile of garbage that is the imperium, and he understood that despite it all, his father's empire is man's only hope for survival in that dark galaxy, and it must be saved if man is to be saved.
Necromunda's history is the sole reason I want to see it done justice as/with an MMO. Hive wars in the Underhive, Raids out into the wastes, exploration of the deeps.
"It's like watching your buddy who didn't do his homework try and present it," is the funniest thing I've heard all month, man!
Necromunda: its like a fight club but a planet
Glad to see a new video. Been waiting for Coteries #3.
The factory must grow...
You got such a way of words and painting the scenes, and honestly this top-down cynical view of Necromunda and how it's system is specifically designed to suck is almost poetry. I'm a major convert to the current edition of Necromunda and I've been desperately been trying to sow the seeds for an underhive war locally for ages. Really does suck that the vidya adaptations are either janky or, well, *this*.
Extra notes on tabletop vs video game I noticed along the way:
- Necromunda's modern ruleset essentially had a version uptick somewhere between the Gangs of the Underhive book releases and the more modern House Of/Book Of style of releases that sets the book concept closer to 40k and it's codices (for better or worse, as Necromunda is very much a book-heavy system with the core rules and optional add-on rules). Biggest notable diff between V2 and V3 is Prospekts (an alternate Juve who usually gets something special like a bonus unique piece of equipment like mounts, jetpacks, or special equipment rigs) and unique skillsets for the gangs. The Ash Wastes and (current) Secundus themed campaign releases are doing similar, first incorporating vehicles and second incorporating new gang units to expand base gangs again.
- On House Escher vs House Goliath: Escher's dislike of Goliath's even more ironic thanks to their role in the creation of said gang. In the pre-Helmawr era of the Gang King Wars, the pre-Eschers defeated and destroyed the original House Goliath, meanwhile in modern eras them and House Van Saar were commissioned to create basically a genetic working class abhuman that could do manual labor . Thanks to House Delaque's meddling (not present in the above presentation but think spy tropes + Shadows Over Innsmouth) the project grew a bit too free-spirited, leading to the House Goliath of today. There's a tense but symbiotic relationship with House Escher, as they still provide the chemicals for the gene-smithing of new vat-born Goliaths.
- On gameplay: Keeping to the Mordheim movement feels like a bit much for Necromunda in some ways. Necromunda has two player actions per turn, split between Simple (stuff you can do twice aka moving, reloading, etc), Basic (can only be done once per turn but only cost one action, aka shooting, activating things, using an item), or Double (naturally taking all your turn and includes Charging and firing unweildy guns). Necromunda also is more than happy to take dozens of turns of back and forth to get through a game, easily hitting Turn 10 or so if all gangs are equipped competently and good playing is happening. Making you able to travel halfway across the map (and seemingly no interaction for the use of movement enhancing stuff unlike the tabletop) shows a seemingly naiveness on why Necromunda is different than Killteam or Mordheim. I agree with some commenters, an NuX-Com approach woulda been better, hell this lines up with some of the upgrades Skills give you, which can grant you new actions as well as your passives depending on which of the generic (or your factional special skill tree if applicable) can grant you.
- On endgame: Honestly if a tactics-based Necromunda game was made in future, i'd love for it to feature spectacle fights in it akin to some of the weirder missions out there. Boss battles with souped up Ambots, caravan heists on the Rolling Road ruleset where the ash waste is travelling around like a blur, hell maybe even something like the actual Endgame missionpacks in Apocrypha Necromunda, where if you think you're hard enough to try to bash past the palentine enforcers and other gangs to get to a shuttle to thread the Eye of Selene and do the ultimate power play a ganger could try. These out-there arbitrator level scenarios are easily some of the best color for Necromunda. There's also a huge wealth of new gameplay mechanics and content to bring in for a newer style game like that, with mechanics like Settlement construction and Rackets and Secundus Infiltration campaigns all able to potentially add so much more to this formula.
You explained this so magical - i now want a Stalker (or far cry) style RPG of Necromunda
Mr. SRD, you are a true artist. You can make me so deeply invested in something I would never otherwise give a shit about. You have a unique gift.
Where does all the food come from for Necromunda?
If I recall Coruscant, which was significantly less dark, (but not by much,) relied mostly on external imports of food to survive. There are also gardens at the poles and fungal harvesting from the levels below.
Imports, bodies recycled into corpse starch, and fungus scavenged from the Underhive!
To expand on Williams mention of corpse starch, one of the "gang" you can play on the tabletop is straight up former members of the guild that turns corpses into food that went mad from there work and now are basically chaos cultist that ply there former trade carving Necromunda dangers and others for there dark demon god.
They should've made it an XCOM-style game, and even add in Imperial Fist Space Marines as secret hardcore bosses.
Justified, Imperial Fists have not only Inwit and Terra, but also multiple other Imperial Worlds closer in Segmentum Solar from which they can recruit from. Necromunda being one of the higher quality ones.
Hope you have a nice Christmas William!
Nah man, you've got it backwards. This game's AI was made *after* the Imperium Ban. It's so bad because it was bootleg.
Its like you and pancreasnowork coordinated to get me interested in necromunda lore
Pancreasnowork got me to redownload this game, and as soon as I did this popped up haha
I adore your setting primers.
Meanwhile, with Hired Gun...
What about Hired Gun? Your comment doesn't make a statement one way or another.
@@jakejutras5420 Oh, sorry. Hired Gun is another example of 'Showing that the setting of Necromunda is intriguing, but the game itself is bad/average'.
The illustration at 25:00 is from the "Operation: Night Eagle" Tannhauser novel cover, not the 40k universe. It depicts Karl Zerman, one of the characters.
Thank you for all the time and effort you put into making this video, it’s deeply appreciated and enjoyed. I genuinely love the lore behind Necromunda and I enjoy playing it and games like Kill-Team far more than normal tabletop 40k. I just wish they had better video games to represent them.
Also House Escher Forever!!!
The one thing thats always made me a little sad about Necromunda in every version of the game is it's never included the Spider Clan, a Hive gang clan, armed, trained and equipped by House Helmawr, on paper at least the whole clan counts as part of the Planatry Defence Force in effect a Hive Gang who is on the goverments payroll and probably halfway between a 40k Wagner and Blackwater.
I get why they arent in game, they'd out class all their opposition to a ludicrous degree, but I wish they'd get a bit more of a mention
All the interesting decisions within a battle in Mordheim came from balancing winning the match with gathering Wyrdstone and not taking too many injuries. Removing persistence in the story mode removes 2/3 of the game.
The really maddening thing about Necromunda and in leaser extent Mordheim is that a dedicated modding community could've fixed most of the issues with both games. I mean janky cult games with dedicated fan base usually get modded to a half-way decent shape.
The problem was that the creators and in some extent GW put their foot down when both games came out and basically threatened anyone willing to fix the mess or god forbid add new warbands/gangs.
It's been a long time, so the coast is most likely clear and any mods will be left alone, but that initial bullshit killed any possible modding scene for both games.
Oh I am sure that there are guys who have done the work to learn how the engine works and have made small mods that improve the game. And they are either too scared or too turned off from ever releasing them or connecting with each other to tackle bigger projects. (Ok Mordheim got some love, but there is still not united community, almost all of it is kept on discord and one off links)
Do you know what would be a great Necromunda game? OwlCat making a Necromunda cRPG next. Their writing and quality, merged with the Necromunda lore and mechanics. And we can be sure that they will make it a game about positioning and cover.
Huh. I played and really enjoyed Necromunda: Hive Wars. While I ran into a couple of bugs, it really was just a couple over the entire campaign. I found the builds that I liked for each gang and ran with it. I didn't get much out of the non-campaign side of it, but that's not what I was playing for.
Ah that line about Adventuring parties made me remember how much I want a Necromunda TTRPG.
On top of the valid complaints listed here. Necromunda feels like a case of the devs listening too much to the critics. They removed much if the difficulty of Mordheim and in doing so made the game feel empty. Near zero chance of injury or death, extra looting round, more movement, few unlockables. Without consequences, ir all made the game seem so pointless to continue.
Oh boy, William SRD swinging with a Sunday treat! Thanks dude!
20+ years of involvement in 40k, your the first person to make me interested in Necromunda.
the main aspect i loved from underhive wars for me was the map design from a wargaming terrain inspiration perspective
I click on the video for the lore. I stay for the review.
Great video! Tho saying that Mordheim is dead only because it doesn't have a new edition like 'munda does is rich. The community is going strong, many people still play it and cherish it as the greatest thing GW ever made. There are large narrative campaigm events held every year. "Dead" pssss....
Don`t forget to mention that one of the original game developer is still active in the community... and that most Mordheim fans hope that it will keep untouched by novadays GW because they fear the abomination they would most likely create ^^
@Rosti_Bene indeed. Tho modern 'munda is not bad.
Most other GW titles are stupid tabletop equivalents of an eSport now and all flavour and narrative aspect is absent from them. Stopped playing those systems some time ago. Indie 28 scene all the way! 🤘
I still play Mordheim with my friends, and I'm glad GW hasn't rebooted it based on what they did with modern Necromunda, game doesn't need 20 rulebooks constantly superseding eachother
As always a massively entertaining video
if you ever get tired of game review you have a promising career making lore videos, because this was the best necromunda lore vid ive ever seen
i was expecting an essay on why bad game is bad, got an essay on lore i never knew while admiring bad game. great vid as always
bro i forgot i was watching a review of necromunda underhive wars and was getting sucked right into the story of Necromunda the planet .....LOVE IT !
I wish they did a fallout esque rpg that lets you make a necromunda ganger.you can choose the gang your apart of or even things like ogryn slave,squat miner,palantite enforcer,or gene stealer cultist.
(listening to the description of Necromunda): Varangantua bursts into tears and runs out of the room
The background music around 41:00 is INCREDIBLE holy shit.
7:59 if this boggles your mind, wait until you find out that Necromunda used to be an Ocean World before humans colonized the surface.
Pancreas just did a necromunda video so good timing there :)
The end state of Necromunda as you discribe it makes no sense to me.
The whole of the Hive World set-up kinda requires that the cycle continues forever.
When Necromunda runs out of junk from the past to exploit, it will not be able to make and send its soldiers to the stars, given how valuable the underhive is as a training ground.
The last breath of Necromunda will not be so clean.
Necromunda and Mordheim never died... They just became 'fan supported' until 2017 when Necromunda had a new edition released. You'll still find the fan supported items on a cool forum called Yak Tribe, where Mordheim still lives with fan support alongside Gorkamorka, and some fan brews of Inquistor 28 (28mm scale Inquisitor game) and Inquisi-munda (Necromunda skirmish rules, with Inquisitorial warbands).
Consider he acknowledged the fan support of Mordheim in his Mordheim video its safe to assume that when he says they died he's exclusively saying within the specific context of official support from GW
Even worse about the game is that they don’t even include any of the cool equipment from tabletop. No van saar energy weapons
From such heights in the first part, to such lows in the second... ouch!
I didnt expect such and in depth analysis of Necromunda...also we all know how ridiculously big the 40k universe is but that 9:42: hit on another level🤯
having played Necromuna UW on release, I can confidently say AI was already banned by the time this game came out
I liked the idea behind speeding things up major reason i never finished Mordheim was because of how much time it consumed to recover from a single mistake or bullshit happening to your team, combined with no save features it sucked out all the fun for me because it felt like it wasnt respecting the time i put into it
So all this game needs is a mod that reduces the movement back to the movement of Mordheim and adjusts the cost of ziplines and the like. Pity that will never happen.
what a video leading into a new year. The year 2025 even sounds like it would be a reference in WH40K
first 25 min were pure poetry
nailed that review, 100% my experience with the game, thrown away so much potential.
I low key loved the terrain
And the move range
And the verticality
I start to think that first one who build adequate link between fans of thier games, fans of licenced intellectual property if it licensed and actual dev team became a monopolist... Somehow ALL devs I heard about struggle on it and especially big devs. On other hand those who at least tried became ridiculously successful like Baldurs Gate 3. It is mind boggling why publishers and devs struggle into this concept...
dude you should do more lore videos like this i like how you do this. Been needing a new lore guy. Common please?
Imagine Firaxis getting hold of the Warhammer licence. 🤤
a game where you create and "manage" your own gang would be awesome
Loving the 40k stuff.
I liked the part where you kind of talked about Warhammer Fanstasy.
How did they make a necromunda game and not include enforcers? The palatine enforcers are literally one of the most important factions in necromunda because they work for the government of necromunda, which means they do just about anything from putting down genestealer uprising attempts to shaking down hivers for their lunch money, they do so much in the setting and in this game they just dont exist, at least in hired gun(which is only marginally better than this game) you still get to do missions for the enforcers, even if you dont see them in game, at least i dont think you do
There are some strategy games with 3rd person cameras that I absolutely love like Valkyria Chronicles that this game should have learned from. Like when in control of a character, it feels good to control them like a 3rd person shooter, and not like you are navigating a settings menu.
Hmm.. I couldn't make myself play Mordheim (because of bugs, too numerous heroes parameters, poor balance, etc), but played Necromunda all the way to the end.
I've been waiting for this one 🎉
Will your lore section was really well done and convinced me a Stalker style necromunda game would be really good ❤
Well,the plan is simple. He wants the tech. He clearly knows what it is and what it's worth. So he gets things rolling. And when one gang doesn't seem to be able to do the whole job,he recruits the others. And once they kill each other for the tech,he can eiter swoop in and finish off the winner and take it or just buy it off whoever they sell it to. Pretty simple plan.
Yaay!
New video! :)
Dam that looked like it would be an awesome game. Especially the size of the place and the intricacy of how you can move around in it. too bad it didn't live up to that world.
Underhive wars is basically 40k Mordheim.
I’ll go out on a limb and say it’s never the QA testers not doing their job a lot of these things are known and reported to the devs but not worked on or taken seriously unless they are game breaking and even then not worked on if there is a work around
Fantastic vid as always, this game should of been so much better let it be necromunda not mordheim with more verticality the ai could not comprehend
I'm still waiting for a game like Fallout in the world of Nercomunda
Necromunda reminds me of the Tower of Babel
What..... I just redownloaded and started playing this again today. I know you have cameras in my house. TELL ME WHERE THEY ARE!!
I honestly enjoyed the game and it did get me interested in necromunda proper. Best of all we get a rare break from space marines in 40k material, which is always welcome.
This explain why this game cost 2 bucks whenever there is a sale in Steam
Gunna cover Necromunda Hired Gun?