Check out Drakkenheim to experience a hand crafted cursed city for your RPG group: get.monstersofdrakkenheim.com/7 Hey everyone, quick correction: I say in the video that Mordheim is a 2016 game, but it was in fact, released in November 2015. Somehow the console release date was the one I wrote in my script and I only noticed this morning. Apologies for the error!
Ghostfire emailing you to sponsor an already half-finished Mordheim video is some cosmic-level serendipity. 😆Love the Drakkenheim setting, and the live-play. _Dungeons of Drakkenheim_ is probably in my top 5 favorite TTRPG modules ever, it deserves all the acclaim.
I really don't think it's possible to deliver an authentic mordheim experience with a 5E compatible game. 5E is designed from the ground up for heroic fantasy and isn't very flexible in what it's capable of (as much as I wish it was). You would have to gut the whole system and replace most of the player facing options at which point it wouldn't be compatible with other D&D source books.
@@kayosiiii Eeeh? I fundamentally disagree; I don't think 5e is designed from the ground-up _at all._ WotC purposely made it a flabby, one-size-fits-all fantasy-onesie; what little focus they could spare, they used to evoke OSR-style gaming. 5e's scaling is flat as a board; it's almost entirely resource-based; it has the kind of low-definition ruleset to allow for tactical infinity - I mean, it's halfway to being Shadowdark already. The only thing WotC didn't expect is how popular the game would become, and how it would be played (i.e. in low-combat, narrative-first, character-focused campaigns). It's not "designed for heroic fantasy"; people use it for that because _they don't know any better,_ and it just so happens to be a loose enough system for that to be somewhat workable. As far as the Mordheim is concerned... well, I'd personally use WFRP, but 5e isn't _badly_ suited for it, especially at low-levels; arguably, it's closer to its intended purpose than for heroic fantasy campaigns. The _Drakkenheim_ books add OSR-style procedures for moving around the city, exploring its locations, finding and using up resources, and avoiding contamination. Most importantly, you can't rest in the city. You'd be surprised how easily 5e turns into a grueling death-march as soon as you actually have to engage with its resource economy.
@@JoshuaJacobs83 Skaven are a creation of chaos. The common folk of the Old World largely see all things chaos as monsters, mutants, or demons. There's no distinction made between them. Skaven don't generally make themselves known without a cause, so it isn't rare for common folk that do see them to speak of monsters that look like rats that walk and talk like a person. The gernal knowledge of Skaven isn't so much a secret as it isn't a topic that is educated to the masses. (clarification* Detailed conversation concerning chaos isn't done. There's many reasons for this. Tactics in warfare. The possible spread of corruption. Inducing undesired fear and/or concerns.) There certainly are humans that know of the Skaven threat. It comes down to forced encounters, or a required study. Other races definitely know of them, and their capabilities. The lizardmen, dwarves, and elves all have had battles with them in the past, and such histories are not ignored by them. It is unknown to me that any of them know the extent of the Skaven population, or even reach. So Skaven are a myth is an expression for the uneducated, or ignorant masses. The joke in this being, that they are pretty much everywhere, and yet not recognised by a large number of the human race.
@@Daktangle Yeah, Hired Gun was a nice surprise. It's jank AF but I thought the core gameplay was actually a lot of psychotic fun, especially with all the absurd OP abilities you get. And they did a surprisingly good job on environmental design, given the obviously low-ish budget.
@@Daktangle Hired Gun was great, dumb fun - I would have loved some more enemies and mission types via patches, but the base game was more than good enough for a budget release.
@@jasonblalock4429 Yeah, you feel like a god near the end of the game, the movement and mobility is absurd. And man were the genestealer missions terrifying. No way would an un-enhanced human have a chance against that.
10:27 There are TWO moons in Warhammer Fantasy: Mannslieb and Morrslieb. Mannslieb is similar to our own moon and has a predictable 25-day orbital phase, while Morrslieb, on the other hand is a giant hunk of warpstone that was spat out into space from the northern polar gate's destruction. It's orbit is entirely erratic and unpredictable, and can at any time appear closer or farther than Mannslieb. The Slaan have attempted multiple times to destroy Morrslieb, but the only thing it accomplishes is the occasional rain of warpstone meteorites on the planet. Until you get to the End Times when Clan Skyre blows Morrslieb to pieces (because...reasons), and the debris from the moon destroys the entirety of Lustria.
You have to admit, the idea of the Skaven actually managing to crazy their way into blowing up a moon that the most skilled mages in the setting have been trying and failing to get rid of for millennia, and them doing it just so they could get their hands on more magical cocaine is kinda funny.
@@mementomori771 I mean yes, it did. But I don't think Skaven blowing up the magic moon to harvest its Warpstone is one of the sucky bits. That part was cool, and very Skaven. Yes yes.
I mean, there's your reason right there. Blow up Morrslieb and you also blow up whatever the pieces end up landing on. And as an added bonus you even get to go mine the rest of the warpstone
Once you get started in Mordheim you start doing no backtracking (in missions), no skipping days, no firing, no map runs. Then you add in themed warbands like "everyone has poison" or "it's all magic, what could go wrong?" or "Who brings a sword to a gunfight?" And then your carefully built sniper squad gets ambushed and half of them lose an arm. One thing I really love about the game is the character name box has a lot of space, as does the description. Back when I streamed the game I allowed chat to name the characters or come up with backstories for them, I then added to the backstories as the characters got injured. I just wish that you could click on the dead guys name in the warband history to get his backstory that you wrote.
I fell out of love with Mordheim, the AI over time starts cheating, if you've almost completed objectives, it stops playing to win and starts playing to game-ruin. Ganking crew members it shouldn't have knowledge of, suiciding units to deny knowledge, looting wyrdstone and then rushing into neutrals. Neutral daemons also tended to aggressively stalk your crew, but will only incidentally target AI warbands. Lastly, the fact that AI warbands are generated when battles start means you're never dealing with enemies with permanent injuries. The game is so close to perfection but falls apart when you really commit to it.
Exactly. In a real campaign you could run into under powered warbands from injury and death, just as you might be under powered by those things. They missed the mark here (i'd say by about 20-30 %).
AI will know all your troops positions for the rest of the match, as soon as it sees one of your troops once. Just found out that idiocy this year. I would give honorable mentions to sometimes moronic map gen as well though. Once upon loading up a "gather warpstone" map, all of it was in a cluster on the other side of the map, behind enemy wagon. So in order to get to any of it, I would have had to fight through all the enemies, somehow manage to leave enough of them alive, so they wouldn't run and still have enough troops to run for that spot. Never seen a map, where all the warpstone is right next to my wagon though. Oh yeah, and let's not forget the damn ambush maps. If you're doing too well and aren't getting any of your guys KO'd, suddenly, instead of a mission you chose, a random enemy gets to ambush you. Getting the first turn free and starting within striking distance of your troops, who haven't even had time to take any defensive stances. Basically getting a free round of beating on your guys because devs are flipping pieces of excrement. Never gotten to ambush enemies like that. So it must be a one sided mechanic, that human player doesn't get to use. What to me shows their lack of effort, is the damn consoletrash UI on a PC port. No effort put into making a good user interface, that can take advantage of keyboard capability.
yeah that video made it sound like it was any good, even thought you can clearly see his warband isnt that far advanced for him to not notice these game ruining issues. Mordhau is a disappointing pile of meh
To this day I remember the final imperial merc mission for its unbelievable unfairness. You had to fight mass demonettes that ignored parry and stunned (charmed or whatever) models not locked in melee. And imperial mercs are a range-based faction that survives melee through parrying...
Fun video as always and while I am familiar with the setting I always appreciate the deep dives you do at the start so that people have proper context. One thing that really interests me regarding this game is that it is arguably the Warhammer game that is the most about creating your own force and following the story you and circumstances create rather then following exactly the story the developers made. There are story missions but you can choose when to do them and most of your time is going to be in skirmish style fights. Fun fact about the lore: This timeline wise is the earliest a warhammer fantasy game has been set with most games either being set when Magnus was Emperor or Franz was. I do hope Old World does well enough that a new Mordheim tt game is created though it is likely going to cover multiple different cities over the course of its life if the other side games are any indication.
Not to be the "ackshually" guy, but actually Mordheim is set centuries before Vermintide, by the time of the game, Mordheim is not even ruins as it was razed by Magnus the Pious.
@@Tommy-5684 No...that is how you ruin a Franchise. Time Travel should never be an option outside of Franchises like Time Splitters that are based around it and do it properly.
This game was dramatically improved by a patch some months post-launch, which it's major accomplishment was to massively speed up the AI's turn time for units that are out of sight of the player. Anyone getting into it after that is so, so much better off for that.
Surprised you didn't mention the story missions, which can be ABSOLUTELY AWFUL, not because of difficulty but because of the objectives being bad. I remember spending an hour in a mission looking for thingamabobs to pick up while the game kept spawning single low tier enemies at me.
The worst one for me being one of the chaos missions, where you're against another chaos faction, and all of them are immortal, unless you do fire damage and that fact either isn't spelled out at all, or is not really emphasized nearly enough. So I had to check the internet, why the hades my enemies refused to drop below 1hp. Since only freaking way to do fire damage, is carrying limited use items with you, it's not only tedious as hell, bu you never before or after need such items, so without prior knowledge, there is no incentive to hoard that trash. I got blocked in by two of them on the approach in a narrow tunnel, so even though there should be caches of such items on the map. I couldn't get to them. At least not in time to get back and save my guys who were in melee with said immortal buggers. I just rage quit that mission and my chaos war band has been stuck in that same spot for years, since it saves when you exit. Removed any incentive to start another chaos warband, knowing that this mission would be something I'd have to play through.
I can't recommend enough watching a run of the missions beforehand. There's almost always more objectives than listed, how you complete then isn't clear at all, and some objectives will spawn a DEMON on your lonely henchman you thought had an easy out of the way objective. And have a Master sidestep or melee resist tank for the Palace mission.
While moreso for the vibe of 40k (and thus, Necromunda and Killteam in turn), it's always nice to hear what happened on the other side of the Warp and how these rules often interacted and knocked around, especially as for most intent and purposes Mordheim and Necromunda's rulesets stick a lot closer to the ancient basics of the Warhammer setting's rules designs than modern 40k and AoS.
Mordheim is set 500-1000 years before the normal warhammer fantasy setting much before the establishment of the imperial colleges of magic and most wizards, witches, sorcerers and hedge mages are looked down on in the empire and are hunted by witch hunters.
One thing I think you should have mentioned, is the power level of the dlc factions (witch hunters and vampire counts). If your first matchup is against one of the dlc factions while you are playing a core faction, just start a new campaign. You will not recover from a bad start.
Huge tips against Undead: Use Charge on their Vampire leader, (It bypasses his Terror passive that leaves henchmen unable to attack) and ignore the zombies! (Zombies do not affect Morale) .
I'm so happy the Dungeon Dudes sponsored this video with Drakkenheim. Coming in as a Warhammer fan I instantly recognized Drakkenheim as an homage to Mordheim when I started their actual play way back when. Cool to see two creators I like on the same wavelength
personally making a warband with a guy geared to grab warpstone help a lot... even if you lose if you get good quantity to loot and stone your good. I see too many people going too deep without grabbign enough loot to sustain their warband.
A very interesting video on a game that does not get nearly enough recognition. Very well explained and generally argued. I will expand a bit on the X-COM comparison, since you brought it up yourself. In X-COM (Enemy Unknown/Within), a typical Character has two move actions and one attack action. Exceptions exist, but this is the baseline. In Mordheim, even a lowliest of Henchmen who has reached Rank 3 (out of 10) gets two attacks. And non-Henchmen can reach, say, 5 with some Skills (ignoring support Skills on others that can give more). This means that, in X-COM, you have so few rolls a round, that you are somewhat at the mercy of RNG. When you miss that 95% chance to hit Shot, well, that Character is not shooting again. So you better have another ready to go or you are scrod because you rolled a one out of a D20. Whereas the amount of attacks in Mordheim is a bit higher, so you can make a rough statistical guesstimate on what is likely going to happen. Which means that, while Mordheim is reasonably hard, I have exactly one Mission in the past five hundred or so where I can say that the loss was not down to me making a mistake. And even that one was really low Rank match (less stats: less rolls) against Ambushing Skaven. As said, a very thorough video. If you do make a league or something, I do recommend Mordheim Monster Magic mod, at the very least. It fixes some of the bugs and lack of quality of life features you mentioned. And, with right launch parameters, it still changes little enough that it is just about vanilla Mordheim but better, so there is literally no case I can think of where I do not recommend using it, at the very least. Sure, there is another Mod, but that changes balance, so that may not be everyone's cup of tea. Anyway, the Tournaments of Mordheim community would appreciate if, whenever any of you plays PvP or the campaign or whatever, if you posted the link into the video-links section on Discord. Might catch some new viewers that way.
10:20 moon made of yum-yum cheese (yes-yes) DELICIOUS SPACE CRACK CHEESE! SNORT THE MOON CHEESE! *THE MOON HOARDS ITS TASTY-YUMMY BOUNTY! TO WAR-FIGHT WITH THE MOON!*
I love this game! Have played off and on for years, currently enjoying a Skaven campaign. They kind of rule - they're fast, great climbers, have a cheap passive bonus when outnumbering enemies, certain henchmen aren't affected by wyrdstone debuffs, and got access to good poisons and debuffs. Also great visuals and customisation. Optimised ratbois.
Although not directly related, I have begun playing Warhammer underworlds, this is a bizarre game to explain, at first I was apprehensive, not being a fan of the age of sigmar models, however one day a friend of mine insisted we play a match and oh boy I been hook ever since, solid gameplay interesting and very varied warbands and the desginers are pushing the boundaries of the core mechanics. Anyway the best I can describe it is a short hybrid skirmish game, where you play with both miniatures and a somewhat TCG card play, I can't recommend it enough it's a very entertaining game and also has some narrative to it although it is not well fleshed out. It also has an outdated videogame but it does teach you the basics if you can check it out. I mean it is just a solid game there's no way to hide it. The only downside is GW does not produce all the warband all the time and some have become somewhat of a collective item.
@@gewuerzwanze5627 according to the lore, Dwarfs in the city are treasure hunters looking for wealth, since a great horde of valuable resources, like gold, jewels etc.
For me, the best game set in the Warhammer universe period. None of the others combine this level of depth with the flavor of the setting quite so well. The voiceover you get each time you boot up the game gives me chills.
Seems like the problem with the appeal of the Sisters of Sigmar is that they took a faction whose thing is "Nuns with Guns and Power Armour" and took away the guns and power armour.
Y'know, it's really funny that as soon as you mentioned Mordheim was about gathering a warband to plunder a destroyed city, I said to myself "Oh, cool, I wonder if this inspired the Dungeon Dudes with Drakkenheim." Seconds later...
Wow, Drakkenheim is literally Mordheim but purple instead of Green. Although if I wanted to play a truly Mordheim RPG I'd use WFRP rules. And BTW, I know no one will believe, but it was I that actually made the awful "But that's heresy!" Sister of Battle meme. I've even redrawn it a few years ago.
my memories of the tabletop mordheim include that the "best" warband was functionally infinite naked skaven armed with slings - now, you might say that doesn't sound very fun and you'd be right
It's the 25th anniversary year of Mordheim, this year, October is anniversary month. My campaign group is gonna have a blast of a time with a combined Halloween/anniversary game.
I still have my original Mordheim Book, that I bought on release day at the GW Store at the Metrocentre in Northumberland. They held a special event, opening early, hosting introduction games and even paying for your breakfast at the diner down the hall from them
I think a good comparison from video game sphere between a war game and a skirmish game could be: Total War as a war game and X-com games as a skirmish games.
Oh this game,still have a save where I have a team of skaven that all rolled the same last name. So I just went with that was the name of the Minor clan they were from and were just working on behalf of Eshin. They ended up being rather heavy on the Stormvermin/Wyrdstone guards. Been building the story of this little clan on and off every now and again. Made them a renegade clan thats more or less non-persons to other skaven unless they need something done without it being known what clan really ordered it,if you are too cheap to hire Eshin and don't mind things getting a bit loud.
I found this game too accurate to tabletop rules, if it makes sense. Movement and disengage rules in particular, combined with the camera restrictions, made every single turn just that bit more frustrating than it needed to be.
While I understand the X-Com comparisons, I am surprised that you didn't mention Darkest Dungeons at all. I think it has a very similar play pattern overall.
When a friend asked me about it, I described Mordheim as the love child of Darkest Dungeon and XCom. The horror and fatalism vibes really hit the same spot.
You misunderstand how old GW views lore. Lore is an idea or example for you to build on. Your job is to figure out what your dwarf gang wants in a street fight. You don't need to sit and wait for GW to make the deep lore about cults and fleets and gangs. White Dwarf was always the in-house magazine for Warhammer stuff, with or without other games in the early years. And with a sometimes confusing amount of other mags for specialist games. Town Crier had a lot of the Mordheim stuff.
Yeah. I'm one of those that loved the game, but agree that its jank as all hell. I wish we could get a sequel. Also just a heads up. You can make a pretty tanky Skaven team, but its tough. You have to use the terrain to your advantage. Set up in choke points, doorways, inside houses and so on where the number of enemies don't matter. You want to go mostly for Warp Guard decked out in heavy armour while equipped with clubs and shields. Backed up by a Verminkin or two with ranged weapons for scouting/poking the enemy. Hero units like Black Skaven can be used as spearmen to charge down enemies already engaged with the guard for big-swing damage. Then use Globadiers as buffers/healers with guns. That is just a rough overview mind you.
Absolutely awesome video Will, I love the deep dive into the Warhammer lore!! Love that this video feels more like your older ones, very chill. Also... I'm sorry to bring a negative in but isn't wyrdstone pronounced "weirdstone"?
You didn't mention it, so I figured I'd mention it. There is, in fact, a rebalance mod for Mordheim out there that makes the underwhelming stuff more powerful, and dials back some of the overwhelming stuff to a reasonable state. The stuff a faction is supposed to be good at, is actually useful, while the stuff they struggle against has counterplay and ways to deal with it. For example, some weapons get the ability to ignore an amount of Armor for the Skaven. It's a fun rebalance and makes the early game a little more feasible for a newer player. ua-cam.com/video/JSGC-aRTP1M/v-deo.html a video that I quickly found going over some of the changes in it.
As a member of the wargaming and skirmish wargaming scene, Infinity is my favorite but Mordheim is an amazing skirmish game. Top Tier. Wish I could enjoy the video game more.
For a modern tabletop game like Mordheim there's Frostgrave (which is actually pictured in one of the slides near the start of the video). Its setting is in the ruins of a thawing ruined city which has been frozen for a thousand years, where bands of treasure seekers led by Wizards seek out ancient knowledge. Its a very well supported system, with supplements coming out every year for nearly 10 years now. As are the system's rules used for other games by the same creator (like the sci-fi game Stargrave, which personally I used to represent Necromunda), which makes bringing in even further content fairly simple. For anyone looking for a miniatures agonistic skirmish game that's not difficult to get into then I can't recommend Frostgrave more. The game can be played by one or more players, competitively or co-operatively, depending on what supplements you bring in. Model count is typically 10-ish models a side (half that if played co-operatively), a tonne of variety in terms of scenarios (each supplement featuring their own campaign), and what could probably be called an excessive amount of unique loot (rolling for loot post game is probably a standout part of the experience).
Imagine my surprise when I thought this game sounded oddly familiar, and I had it in my GOG library. No idea how or when I got it, I have yet to play it, but thanks to this video it is now on my list.
Actually Chaos interacts with Matter the same in 40k it's just that it has a stronger foothold in the Universe in 40k. It's also the same in that not everything made by Chaos is inherently evil or aligned with Chaos with examples of good or neutral creatures like Griffins, Demigryphs, Unicorns, Pegasi, Harpies, Manticores and Trolls. It's just that cases of good or neutral mutants are a lot less frequent in 40k because of the reason I mentioned earlier.
*The most brutal game of all time* Every round is full of dread and anxiety, one mistake can be the death of your leader, or your best character permanently crippled, or your best gear you just spent 50 hours to acquire lost forever. P.S make sure you turn the master volume down because the 'pick up wyrdstone SFX' will blow your headphones and or eardrums
I played Mordheim around 2020 when covid started out and the quarantines kept me locked in at home. Not even in that time did I ever muster the patience to struggle through the unforgiving early game. I absolutely dropped it after like 5 hours because it was not fun. It was Xcom masochism at 11/10, so unfortunately I gave up on it. When people say the game gets good after you played an entire campaign with a guide I just wonder if that much investment will ever be worth it for me.
I've tried to play it several times and I never get very far. I always get to one mission where my warriors miss six or seven times in a row and the AI kills my guys in one hit with a crit.
One of my favourite games of all time. It hits my Early Game Hell itch just right. That said the lack of mods and conversions for this game literally kills me. It's partly because it's a niche game and there is smaller pool of magnificent bastards to do the work, but also because both GW and creators threatened suing anyone trying. They did the same for the Necromunda game, thats why its still left in a very broken state. You can't convince me that the W40k nerds would've left it like that if they were not stopped from fixing it with mods. Also not all factions added later were just hand waved that make no sense. Personal favourite is the Orphans faction, made up by the surviving children who banded together for survival. They have several unique mechanics and have some pretty good ideas. But what's more unlike the Kung-fu monks or the Amazons armed with laser weapons, they actually belong there.
@@dragonknight196 fuck elves they're in everything they can stay outta mordheim, not even an official warband it would have been a spit in the face to add them.
Lorewise I can't imagine what reason elves may have to go there. Orcs, as much as I love them, also do not really fit in. But tiny evil green gitz in black hoods streaming out of the skaven tunnels, ah, that would have been a wonderful occasion to implement the night goblins as a standalone faction independent from whatever orc overlord.
As somone who while enjoying fantasy is a sci-fi nerd first Warhammer fantasy and spin-off like this never was more then a quick glance to me (tho AoS did a better job drawing me in) For me Necromunda is a far better appeal (hence why I have multiple books and my first box of gang members) But as always I appreciate and enjoy when you highlight systems like this. As a final sidenote favourite game model is imperial dressed ogre over there looking fancy.
I switched back to XP and I much prefer it. I also use the variant rules that require downtime and training to actually level up. My players have enough XP to be level 5, but they've been adventuring non-stop, so they're still level 3.
It's here! Thoroughly enjoyed the livestreams and the video turned out great! Love the love for Mordheim and especially the big lore section you put in.
I like Skirmish games because they are inbetween large scale wargames and pen-and-paper Roleplaying Games. I am fan of tactical roleplaying games because they include combat, upgrading your character, and large scale than single-player games. Videogames like Fallout 1, 2, & Tactics, Baldur's Gate 1 &2, Icewind Dale 1 & 2 are tactical roleplaying games. Ranting, but I dont like modern tabletop D&D because its abandoned the Skirmish/Tactical roleplaying combat. Youre not supposed to control multiple characters, used miniatures, or the 2d/3d combat being a focus. Just seeing the models early in the video got me really excited. I used to look for Warhammer smartphone games and there was a Mordheim game that got shut down 2 years ago. It was kind of fun, but it did have Permanent losses and often seemed Pay-To-Win. I remember how early on I had a Reikland warband that with heavy grinding I had 8 soldiers with full plate armor, Hochland Long Rifles, and a lot of skills. The company that ran the game ruined my warband when they took away Reikland's access to speed skills.
There was a number of skirmish games. Necromunda, Gorkamorka, Full Tilt, Inquisitor etc. Not so many at the fantasy side. You can use Mordheim for other fantasy street fights.
Seeing as you are looking at playing RoR feel free to reach out. I lead Warbands for the NA destro guild Agony and love to help new players learn the game.
Just reached the end. Agree that act 3 was smooth as can be for me, too. I've played on 4 machines, including s laptop, as well as remote playing onto my phone with a dongled mouse, a tablet, Shadow PC, with a CPU as old as sn i7 4790 with an rtx 2060, an i5 13400f with a 6600xt, etc and never have a problem. I'm a hardware guy, and it is an actual fact that just having the highest end graphics card doesn't mean you'll play smoothly. A mid range card is far more likely to give smooth gameplay, because it's generation is usually on par with the development of the game. It doesn't need extra optimizing. It's literally likely the hardware the games were used in part during development. And if you're running say, a 4090 and have trouble, wuick crying st the devs to optimize. They have a virtually infinite number of hardware combinations they have to account for in optimization for that overkill Graphics Card. Learn how to optimize your dang hardware yourself. It isn't difficult for I've static PC setup. It's not arcane magic. All the machines i play on, the virtual machine on an old laptop lacking a gpu while outta state without steam logged in at home, and act 3 was flawless in 1500+ gameplay hours now, aside from patch 4, where the problem was the crime calculation problems, I've had zero act 3 problems and the only bug in 6 playthroughs is that jaheira randomly disappeared from camp in rivington oddly on one playthrough, and never returned, which cost me minsc (i am suspicious that in a battle with the Deva that appears after robbing stormshore temple donations, i didn't realize it snd so never thought to see if withers needed to rez her, lol).
I actually met Tuomas Pirinen, the original writer of Mordheim, a couple years ago. He said the Sisters won in the sense that female priesthood was officially accepted in the Empire, but uhh I dunno if it was maybe his original intention that never made it into official material after the Mordheim game was abandoned. The writers for the later editions of WHFB definitely didn't know what to do with them. Another interesting thing was that he disagreed with the name Empire of Man. The Imperium Man claims jurisdiction over all humanity, but the Empire is totally cool with humans existing outside it. If anything was an official name, it should be the Empire of Sigmar. Empire of Man originated in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay and seems to have been adopted by the people making the new Old World game.
Generally it's called 'the Empire of Man' because it is (at least for much of it's history) the largest human controlled nation in the setting. It also doesn't have any other name, outside of just 'The Empire', unlike Bretonnia, Cathay, or any of the other majority human nations in the setting.
Cracked up when over half this video was just deranged rambling attempting to shorthand Warhammer lore about one city and still being unable to avoid dragging in hundreds of years of expanded setting history just for context.
Mordheim, classic necromunda, and Inquisitor we're my favorite GW games. Honorable mention to Battlefleet Gothic. Never played the Vidya version of any of these lol, but I do love me some table top skirmish games, my main one now is Bolt Action and it's essentially riding the line between skirmish and wargame.
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Hey everyone, quick correction: I say in the video that Mordheim is a 2016 game, but it was in fact, released in November 2015. Somehow the console release date was the one I wrote in my script and I only noticed this morning. Apologies for the error!
Which platform(s) will you be streaming on, with links please?
I realize this will likely get buried, but a fun fact of older Warhammer Lore, Mordheim in 1e [roleplay] was the Half-Orc city.
Ghostfire emailing you to sponsor an already half-finished Mordheim video is some cosmic-level serendipity. 😆Love the Drakkenheim setting, and the live-play. _Dungeons of Drakkenheim_ is probably in my top 5 favorite TTRPG modules ever, it deserves all the acclaim.
I really don't think it's possible to deliver an authentic mordheim experience with a 5E compatible game. 5E is designed from the ground up for heroic fantasy and isn't very flexible in what it's capable of (as much as I wish it was). You would have to gut the whole system and replace most of the player facing options at which point it wouldn't be compatible with other D&D source books.
@@kayosiiii Eeeh? I fundamentally disagree; I don't think 5e is designed from the ground-up _at all._ WotC purposely made it a flabby, one-size-fits-all fantasy-onesie; what little focus they could spare, they used to evoke OSR-style gaming. 5e's scaling is flat as a board; it's almost entirely resource-based; it has the kind of low-definition ruleset to allow for tactical infinity - I mean, it's halfway to being Shadowdark already. The only thing WotC didn't expect is how popular the game would become, and how it would be played (i.e. in low-combat, narrative-first, character-focused campaigns). It's not "designed for heroic fantasy"; people use it for that because _they don't know any better,_ and it just so happens to be a loose enough system for that to be somewhat workable.
As far as the Mordheim is concerned... well, I'd personally use WFRP, but 5e isn't _badly_ suited for it, especially at low-levels; arguably, it's closer to its intended purpose than for heroic fantasy campaigns. The _Drakkenheim_ books add OSR-style procedures for moving around the city, exploring its locations, finding and using up resources, and avoiding contamination. Most importantly, you can't rest in the city. You'd be surprised how easily 5e turns into a grueling death-march as soon as you actually have to engage with its resource economy.
16:57: "There are two myths about the Skaven in the Empire. The first is that they don't exist. The second is that anyone believes the first."
Unless you understand the lore, that's basically the ignorant or troll thought.
@@Kindlesmith70I'm new to the lore. Can you explain?
@@JoshuaJacobs83 Skaven are a creation of chaos. The common folk of the Old World largely see all things chaos as monsters, mutants, or demons. There's no distinction made between them. Skaven don't generally make themselves known without a cause, so it isn't rare for common folk that do see them to speak of monsters that look like rats that walk and talk like a person. The gernal knowledge of Skaven isn't so much a secret as it isn't a topic that is educated to the masses.
(clarification* Detailed conversation concerning chaos isn't done. There's many reasons for this. Tactics in warfare. The possible spread of corruption. Inducing undesired fear and/or concerns.)
There certainly are humans that know of the Skaven threat. It comes down to forced encounters, or a required study. Other races definitely know of them, and their capabilities. The lizardmen, dwarves, and elves all have had battles with them in the past, and such histories are not ignored by them. It is unknown to me that any of them know the extent of the Skaven population, or even reach.
So Skaven are a myth is an expression for the uneducated, or ignorant masses. The joke in this being, that they are pretty much everywhere, and yet not recognised by a large number of the human race.
@@Kindlesmith70 Mate isn't he litterally quoting from Childern Of The Horned Rat?
@@JoshuaJacobs83 Ignore him he know not of which he speaks but it is true in WHF that the ratmen are very secretive.
My condolences in advance for the Necromunda: Underhive Wars video that's sure to follow eventually.
Man was that disappointing. I was hoping for XCom Necromunda, and got that. At least Hired Gun is entertaining.
@@Daktangle Yeah, Hired Gun was a nice surprise. It's jank AF but I thought the core gameplay was actually a lot of psychotic fun, especially with all the absurd OP abilities you get. And they did a surprisingly good job on environmental design, given the obviously low-ish budget.
@@Daktangle Hired Gun was great, dumb fun - I would have loved some more enemies and mission types via patches, but the base game was more than good enough for a budget release.
@@jasonblalock4429 Yeah, you feel like a god near the end of the game, the movement and mobility is absurd. And man were the genestealer missions terrifying. No way would an un-enhanced human have a chance against that.
@@HansAlRachid Same, a bit more variety would have been lovely, I really enjoyed it, more so than than Doom Eternal oddly.
10:27 There are TWO moons in Warhammer Fantasy: Mannslieb and Morrslieb. Mannslieb is similar to our own moon and has a predictable 25-day orbital phase, while Morrslieb, on the other hand is a giant hunk of warpstone that was spat out into space from the northern polar gate's destruction. It's orbit is entirely erratic and unpredictable, and can at any time appear closer or farther than Mannslieb. The Slaan have attempted multiple times to destroy Morrslieb, but the only thing it accomplishes is the occasional rain of warpstone meteorites on the planet.
Until you get to the End Times when Clan Skyre blows Morrslieb to pieces (because...reasons), and the debris from the moon destroys the entirety of Lustria.
God end times sucked on toast
You have to admit, the idea of the Skaven actually managing to crazy their way into blowing up a moon that the most skilled mages in the setting have been trying and failing to get rid of for millennia, and them doing it just so they could get their hands on more magical cocaine is kinda funny.
@@mementomori771 I mean yes, it did. But I don't think Skaven blowing up the magic moon to harvest its Warpstone is one of the sucky bits. That part was cool, and very Skaven. Yes yes.
@@Bluecho4 to each thier own
I mean, there's your reason right there. Blow up Morrslieb and you also blow up whatever the pieces end up landing on. And as an added bonus you even get to go mine the rest of the warpstone
My favorite part is when Warhammer Fantasy was mentioned.
CONTAINMENT BREACH
Once you get started in Mordheim you start doing no backtracking (in missions), no skipping days, no firing, no map runs. Then you add in themed warbands like "everyone has poison" or "it's all magic, what could go wrong?" or "Who brings a sword to a gunfight?" And then your carefully built sniper squad gets ambushed and half of them lose an arm.
One thing I really love about the game is the character name box has a lot of space, as does the description. Back when I streamed the game I allowed chat to name the characters or come up with backstories for them, I then added to the backstories as the characters got injured. I just wish that you could click on the dead guys name in the warband history to get his backstory that you wrote.
Play MMM mod for a great Singleplayer experience or paranoia mod for an actual tactical experience
@@Mkoll Mostly only played paramod in the later years.
"New objectives have been added"
Objective, Updated. Objective, Updated. Objective, Updated. Objective, Updated. Objective, Updated. Objective, Updated.
Ah Morrslieb. the false moon, made from warpstone upon the polar gates collapse.
honestly loved the streams you did of mordheim city of the damned, can't wait to finish this video
I fell out of love with Mordheim, the AI over time starts cheating, if you've almost completed objectives, it stops playing to win and starts playing to game-ruin. Ganking crew members it shouldn't have knowledge of, suiciding units to deny knowledge, looting wyrdstone and then rushing into neutrals. Neutral daemons also tended to aggressively stalk your crew, but will only incidentally target AI warbands. Lastly, the fact that AI warbands are generated when battles start means you're never dealing with enemies with permanent injuries. The game is so close to perfection but falls apart when you really commit to it.
Exactly. In a real campaign you could run into under powered warbands from injury and death, just as you might be under powered by those things. They missed the mark here (i'd say by about 20-30 %).
AI will know all your troops positions for the rest of the match, as soon as it sees one of your troops once. Just found out that idiocy this year.
I would give honorable mentions to sometimes moronic map gen as well though. Once upon loading up a "gather warpstone" map, all of it was in a cluster on the other side of the map, behind enemy wagon. So in order to get to any of it, I would have had to fight through all the enemies, somehow manage to leave enough of them alive, so they wouldn't run and still have enough troops to run for that spot. Never seen a map, where all the warpstone is right next to my wagon though.
Oh yeah, and let's not forget the damn ambush maps. If you're doing too well and aren't getting any of your guys KO'd, suddenly, instead of a mission you chose, a random enemy gets to ambush you. Getting the first turn free and starting within striking distance of your troops, who haven't even had time to take any defensive stances. Basically getting a free round of beating on your guys because devs are flipping pieces of excrement. Never gotten to ambush enemies like that. So it must be a one sided mechanic, that human player doesn't get to use.
What to me shows their lack of effort, is the damn consoletrash UI on a PC port. No effort put into making a good user interface, that can take advantage of keyboard capability.
The game is frome 2015-2016
And there are mods for it. Like MMM1_0_5_BETA_2 or paramod.
yeah that video made it sound like it was any good, even thought you can clearly see his warband isnt that far advanced for him to not notice these game ruining issues. Mordhau is a disappointing pile of meh
To this day I remember the final imperial merc mission for its unbelievable unfairness. You had to fight mass demonettes that ignored parry and stunned (charmed or whatever) models not locked in melee. And imperial mercs are a range-based faction that survives melee through parrying...
“for-profit Chernobyl first responders”
fantastic way to concisely get across what Mordheim is.
So it's fantasy STALKER xD
@@igorthelightactually yes
@@igorthelightGet out of here Skaven.
@@JohanKylander xD
Fun video as always and while I am familiar with the setting I always appreciate the deep dives you do at the start so that people have proper context. One thing that really interests me regarding this game is that it is arguably the Warhammer game that is the most about creating your own force and following the story you and circumstances create rather then following exactly the story the developers made. There are story missions but you can choose when to do them and most of your time is going to be in skirmish style fights.
Fun fact about the lore: This timeline wise is the earliest a warhammer fantasy game has been set with most games either being set when Magnus was Emperor or Franz was.
I do hope Old World does well enough that a new Mordheim tt game is created though it is likely going to cover multiple different cities over the course of its life if the other side games are any indication.
Drakkenheim sounds like the kind of fan-fiction I would make, if I wanted to play without the limitations of the Warhammer setting.
shocked there was never a mordheim campaign for vermintide 2
Not to be the "ackshually" guy, but actually Mordheim is set centuries before Vermintide, by the time of the game, Mordheim is not even ruins as it was razed by Magnus the Pious.
cant tell if this is a joke or not
@@chocodoco4855 you could have some time travel stuff right?
@@Tommy-5684 Yes, with Chaos everything is possible.
@@Tommy-5684 No...that is how you ruin a Franchise. Time Travel should never be an option outside of Franchises like Time Splitters that are based around it and do it properly.
This game was dramatically improved by a patch some months post-launch, which it's major accomplishment was to massively speed up the AI's turn time for units that are out of sight of the player. Anyone getting into it after that is so, so much better off for that.
THE MOON IS MADE OF HELL
Mordheim! Always good to see WHF getting the spotlight and mordheim most of all!
Surprised you didn't mention the story missions, which can be ABSOLUTELY AWFUL, not because of difficulty but because of the objectives being bad. I remember spending an hour in a mission looking for thingamabobs to pick up while the game kept spawning single low tier enemies at me.
The worst one for me being one of the chaos missions, where you're against another chaos faction, and all of them are immortal, unless you do fire damage and that fact either isn't spelled out at all, or is not really emphasized nearly enough. So I had to check the internet, why the hades my enemies refused to drop below 1hp. Since only freaking way to do fire damage, is carrying limited use items with you, it's not only tedious as hell, bu you never before or after need such items, so without prior knowledge, there is no incentive to hoard that trash. I got blocked in by two of them on the approach in a narrow tunnel, so even though there should be caches of such items on the map. I couldn't get to them. At least not in time to get back and save my guys who were in melee with said immortal buggers. I just rage quit that mission and my chaos war band has been stuck in that same spot for years, since it saves when you exit. Removed any incentive to start another chaos warband, knowing that this mission would be something I'd have to play through.
he skipped a lot of serious issues with the game lol. He cant have been paid so no idea. Prob just content farming
I can't recommend enough watching a run of the missions beforehand.
There's almost always more objectives than listed, how you complete then isn't clear at all, and some objectives will spawn a DEMON on your lonely henchman you thought had an easy out of the way objective.
And have a Master sidestep or melee resist tank for the Palace mission.
While moreso for the vibe of 40k (and thus, Necromunda and Killteam in turn), it's always nice to hear what happened on the other side of the Warp and how these rules often interacted and knocked around, especially as for most intent and purposes Mordheim and Necromunda's rulesets stick a lot closer to the ancient basics of the Warhammer setting's rules designs than modern 40k and AoS.
Mordheim is set 500-1000 years before the normal warhammer fantasy setting much before the establishment of the imperial colleges of magic and most wizards, witches, sorcerers and hedge mages are looked down on in the empire and are hunted by witch hunters.
One thing I think you should have mentioned, is the power level of the dlc factions (witch hunters and vampire counts). If your first matchup is against one of the dlc factions while you are playing a core faction, just start a new campaign. You will not recover from a bad start.
Huge tips against Undead: Use Charge on their Vampire leader, (It bypasses his Terror passive that leaves henchmen unable to attack) and ignore the zombies! (Zombies do not affect Morale) .
I'm so happy the Dungeon Dudes sponsored this video with Drakkenheim. Coming in as a Warhammer fan I instantly recognized Drakkenheim as an homage to Mordheim when I started their actual play way back when. Cool to see two creators I like on the same wavelength
personally making a warband with a guy geared to grab warpstone help a lot... even if you lose if you get good quantity to loot and stone your good. I see too many people going too deep without grabbign enough loot to sustain their warband.
The guy who made the original Mordheim is making a new game: Trench Crusade
Wow, the dudes are the ones sponsoring now? Insane how far they've come.
A very interesting video on a game that does not get nearly enough recognition.
Very well explained and generally argued. I will expand a bit on the X-COM comparison, since you brought it up yourself.
In X-COM (Enemy Unknown/Within), a typical Character has two move actions and one attack action. Exceptions exist, but this is the baseline.
In Mordheim, even a lowliest of Henchmen who has reached Rank 3 (out of 10) gets two attacks. And non-Henchmen can reach, say, 5 with some Skills (ignoring support Skills on others that can give more).
This means that, in X-COM, you have so few rolls a round, that you are somewhat at the mercy of RNG. When you miss that 95% chance to hit Shot, well, that Character is not shooting again. So you better have another ready to go or you are scrod because you rolled a one out of a D20.
Whereas the amount of attacks in Mordheim is a bit higher, so you can make a rough statistical guesstimate on what is likely going to happen. Which means that, while Mordheim is reasonably hard, I have exactly one Mission in the past five hundred or so where I can say that the loss was not down to me making a mistake. And even that one was really low Rank match (less stats: less rolls) against Ambushing Skaven.
As said, a very thorough video.
If you do make a league or something, I do recommend Mordheim Monster Magic mod, at the very least. It fixes some of the bugs and lack of quality of life features you mentioned. And, with right launch parameters, it still changes little enough that it is just about vanilla Mordheim but better, so there is literally no case I can think of where I do not recommend using it, at the very least.
Sure, there is another Mod, but that changes balance, so that may not be everyone's cup of tea.
Anyway, the Tournaments of Mordheim community would appreciate if, whenever any of you plays PvP or the campaign or whatever, if you posted the link into the video-links section on Discord. Might catch some new viewers that way.
10:20 moon made of yum-yum cheese (yes-yes) DELICIOUS SPACE CRACK CHEESE! SNORT THE MOON CHEESE! *THE MOON HOARDS ITS TASTY-YUMMY BOUNTY! TO WAR-FIGHT WITH THE MOON!*
Warhammer fantasy getting the recognition it deserves all these years later.
I love this game! Have played off and on for years, currently enjoying a Skaven campaign. They kind of rule - they're fast, great climbers, have a cheap passive bonus when outnumbering enemies, certain henchmen aren't affected by wyrdstone debuffs, and got access to good poisons and debuffs. Also great visuals and customisation. Optimised ratbois.
Although not directly related, I have begun playing Warhammer underworlds, this is a bizarre game to explain, at first I was apprehensive, not being a fan of the age of sigmar models, however one day a friend of mine insisted we play a match and oh boy I been hook ever since, solid gameplay interesting and very varied warbands and the desginers are pushing the boundaries of the core mechanics.
Anyway the best I can describe it is a short hybrid skirmish game, where you play with both miniatures and a somewhat TCG card play, I can't recommend it enough it's a very entertaining game and also has some narrative to it although it is not well fleshed out. It also has an outdated videogame but it does teach you the basics if you can check it out. I mean it is just a solid game there's no way to hide it. The only downside is GW does not produce all the warband all the time and some have become somewhat of a collective item.
>No dwarfs
THAT'S IT, LADS! BRING OUT THE DAMMAZ KRON
Why would dwarfs collect warpstone?
@@gewuerzwanze5627 according to the lore, Dwarfs in the city are treasure hunters looking for wealth, since a great horde of valuable resources, like gold, jewels etc.
For Karl! THAT'S A GRUDGIN'!!!
Man the warhammer online cinimatic was so cool, Awesome video too. Looking forward to whats next :)
For me, the best game set in the Warhammer universe period. None of the others combine this level of depth with the flavor of the setting quite so well. The voiceover you get each time you boot up the game gives me chills.
Yeaoh! WilliamSRD vids are always a delight
Seems like the problem with the appeal of the Sisters of Sigmar is that they took a faction whose thing is "Nuns with Guns and Power Armour" and took away the guns and power armour.
Y'know, it's really funny that as soon as you mentioned Mordheim was about gathering a warband to plunder a destroyed city, I said to myself "Oh, cool, I wonder if this inspired the Dungeon Dudes with Drakkenheim."
Seconds later...
Wow, Drakkenheim is literally Mordheim but purple instead of Green. Although if I wanted to play a truly Mordheim RPG I'd use WFRP rules.
And BTW, I know no one will believe, but it was I that actually made the awful "But that's heresy!" Sister of Battle meme. I've even redrawn it a few years ago.
so much awesome art from the original box set I had back in 1999, thank you!!
my memories of the tabletop mordheim include that the "best" warband was functionally infinite naked skaven armed with slings - now, you might say that doesn't sound very fun and you'd be right
It's the 25th anniversary year of Mordheim, this year, October is anniversary month. My campaign group is gonna have a blast of a time with a combined Halloween/anniversary game.
I still have my original Mordheim Book, that I bought on release day at the GW Store at the Metrocentre in Northumberland. They held a special event, opening early, hosting introduction games and even paying for your breakfast at the diner down the hall from them
I think a good comparison from video game sphere between a war game and a skirmish game could be: Total War as a war game and X-com games as a skirmish games.
Oh this game,still have a save where I have a team of skaven that all rolled the same last name. So I just went with that was the name of the Minor clan they were from and were just working on behalf of Eshin. They ended up being rather heavy on the Stormvermin/Wyrdstone guards. Been building the story of this little clan on and off every now and again. Made them a renegade clan thats more or less non-persons to other skaven unless they need something done without it being known what clan really ordered it,if you are too cheap to hire Eshin and don't mind things getting a bit loud.
I found this game too accurate to tabletop rules, if it makes sense. Movement and disengage rules in particular, combined with the camera restrictions, made every single turn just that bit more frustrating than it needed to be.
While I understand the X-Com comparisons, I am surprised that you didn't mention Darkest Dungeons at all. I think it has a very similar play pattern overall.
When a friend asked me about it, I described Mordheim as the love child of Darkest Dungeon and XCom. The horror and fatalism vibes really hit the same spot.
Awesome game, shame we didn't get more playable warbands, definitely check out the monster mod though
43:38 props for the Ravenloft: Strahd’s Possession background music! I loved your video of it too.
20:35 - Appreciate making a villain based on a real world schism that still echoes (Catholic vs Protestant)
You misunderstand how old GW views lore. Lore is an idea or example for you to build on. Your job is to figure out what your dwarf gang wants in a street fight. You don't need to sit and wait for GW to make the deep lore about cults and fleets and gangs.
White Dwarf was always the in-house magazine for Warhammer stuff, with or without other games in the early years. And with a sometimes confusing amount of other mags for specialist games. Town Crier had a lot of the Mordheim stuff.
Ohhh look. A video to make my next work shift more fun.
Yeah. I'm one of those that loved the game, but agree that its jank as all hell. I wish we could get a sequel.
Also just a heads up. You can make a pretty tanky Skaven team, but its tough. You have to use the terrain to your advantage. Set up in choke points, doorways, inside houses and so on where the number of enemies don't matter. You want to go mostly for Warp Guard decked out in heavy armour while equipped with clubs and shields. Backed up by a Verminkin or two with ranged weapons for scouting/poking the enemy. Hero units like Black Skaven can be used as spearmen to charge down enemies already engaged with the guard for big-swing damage. Then use Globadiers as buffers/healers with guns. That is just a rough overview mind you.
13:05 wasn't the HRE at fundament a gigantic pact of individual feudal kingdoms?
Absolutely awesome video Will, I love the deep dive into the Warhammer lore!! Love that this video feels more like your older ones, very chill.
Also... I'm sorry to bring a negative in but isn't wyrdstone pronounced "weirdstone"?
You didn't mention it, so I figured I'd mention it. There is, in fact, a rebalance mod for Mordheim out there that makes the underwhelming stuff more powerful, and dials back some of the overwhelming stuff to a reasonable state. The stuff a faction is supposed to be good at, is actually useful, while the stuff they struggle against has counterplay and ways to deal with it. For example, some weapons get the ability to ignore an amount of Armor for the Skaven. It's a fun rebalance and makes the early game a little more feasible for a newer player.
ua-cam.com/video/JSGC-aRTP1M/v-deo.html a video that I quickly found going over some of the changes in it.
As a member of the wargaming and skirmish wargaming scene, Infinity is my favorite but Mordheim is an amazing skirmish game. Top Tier. Wish I could enjoy the video game more.
Whoa the dungeon dudes drakkenheim rule book at 3:57 i almost forgot Monty wrote one. its been a moment
The best tactic is "lvl up tank/monster first, to make sure it kills anything and survives"
Fuck, I have never thought of the warbands as stalkers. I will never let this go. Also, you could play WHFR in Mordheim
I beat a campaign as skaven back in the day. Great experience! I just wish there weren't maps with infinite respawns.
For a modern tabletop game like Mordheim there's Frostgrave (which is actually pictured in one of the slides near the start of the video).
Its setting is in the ruins of a thawing ruined city which has been frozen for a thousand years, where bands of treasure seekers led by Wizards seek out ancient knowledge. Its a very well supported system, with supplements coming out every year for nearly 10 years now. As are the system's rules used for other games by the same creator (like the sci-fi game Stargrave, which personally I used to represent Necromunda), which makes bringing in even further content fairly simple.
For anyone looking for a miniatures agonistic skirmish game that's not difficult to get into then I can't recommend Frostgrave more. The game can be played by one or more players, competitively or co-operatively, depending on what supplements you bring in. Model count is typically 10-ish models a side (half that if played co-operatively), a tonne of variety in terms of scenarios (each supplement featuring their own campaign), and what could probably be called an excessive amount of unique loot (rolling for loot post game is probably a standout part of the experience).
Imagine my surprise when I thought this game sounded oddly familiar, and I had it in my GOG library. No idea how or when I got it, I have yet to play it, but thanks to this video it is now on my list.
23:58 - All I can read on his cloak is "rekka", which is a type of move in fighting games.
fun video thanks i wish the original box set was available again, no changes no updates. i will have to check out this video game! liked and subbed
Actually Chaos interacts with Matter the same in 40k it's just that it has a stronger foothold in the Universe in 40k. It's also the same in that not everything made by Chaos is inherently evil or aligned with Chaos with examples of good or neutral creatures like Griffins, Demigryphs, Unicorns, Pegasi, Harpies, Manticores and Trolls. It's just that cases of good or neutral mutants are a lot less frequent in 40k because of the reason I mentioned earlier.
They made two chaos books, and had them cover chaos in both WFB and 40k.
*The most brutal game of all time*
Every round is full of dread and anxiety, one mistake can be the death of your leader, or your best character permanently crippled, or your best gear you just spent 50 hours to acquire lost forever.
P.S make sure you turn the master volume down because the 'pick up wyrdstone SFX' will blow your headphones and or eardrums
I can't be the only one that got warm and slimy nostalgia with the Mordheim narrator reminding me of the Voice from Dungeon Keeper?
I played Mordheim around 2020 when covid started out and the quarantines kept me locked in at home. Not even in that time did I ever muster the patience to struggle through the unforgiving early game. I absolutely dropped it after like 5 hours because it was not fun. It was Xcom masochism at 11/10, so unfortunately I gave up on it.
When people say the game gets good after you played an entire campaign with a guide I just wonder if that much investment will ever be worth it for me.
I've tried to play it several times and I never get very far. I always get to one mission where my warriors miss six or seven times in a row and the AI kills my guys in one hit with a crit.
Oh wow, a new and relevant mordheim video! And here I thought that I'l never to say: mobile is better.
"how would the sisters even manage to keep a population after that long"
Me: "eager volunteers...."
"In Sigmar's Name! STEP ON ME MOMMY!!!"
Not a single mention of Nurgle’s travelling circus. Disgraceful.
One of my favourite games of all time. It hits my Early Game Hell itch just right.
That said the lack of mods and conversions for this game literally kills me. It's partly because it's a niche game and there is smaller pool of magnificent bastards to do the work, but also because both GW and creators threatened suing anyone trying.
They did the same for the Necromunda game, thats why its still left in a very broken state. You can't convince me that the W40k nerds would've left it like that if they were not stopped from fixing it with mods.
Also not all factions added later were just hand waved that make no sense. Personal favourite is the Orphans faction, made up by the surviving children who banded together for survival. They have several unique mechanics and have some pretty good ideas. But what's more unlike the Kung-fu monks or the Amazons armed with laser weapons, they actually belong there.
35:53 "Oh no, a rat with guns!" -- LIES! ALSO PROBABLY HERESY!
@27:05 Welcome to the zone Stalker
Mordheim was so good yes-yes, so sad we didnt get dwarfs
Or elves
@@dragonknight196 FUCK elves, they're in everything.
@@dragonknight196 fuck elves they're in everything they can stay outta mordheim, not even an official warband it would have been a spit in the face to add them.
Lorewise I can't imagine what reason elves may have to go there. Orcs, as much as I love them, also do not really fit in. But tiny evil green gitz in black hoods streaming out of the skaven tunnels, ah, that would have been a wonderful occasion to implement the night goblins as a standalone faction independent from whatever orc overlord.
As somone who while enjoying fantasy is a sci-fi nerd first Warhammer fantasy and spin-off like this never was more then a quick glance to me (tho AoS did a better job drawing me in)
For me Necromunda is a far better appeal (hence why I have multiple books and my first box of gang members)
But as always I appreciate and enjoy when you highlight systems like this.
As a final sidenote favourite game model is imperial dressed ogre over there looking fancy.
I switched back to XP and I much prefer it. I also use the variant rules that require downtime and training to actually level up. My players have enough XP to be level 5, but they've been adventuring non-stop, so they're still level 3.
It's here! Thoroughly enjoyed the livestreams and the video turned out great! Love the love for Mordheim and especially the big lore section you put in.
Sign me up for a one way trip through the warp to the land of chilli to the north, hope they have cornbread.
That got me very, very interested in the game! Alas, I won't be able to play with this channel's Discord. Wish you all the best.
21:30 Dude I'm crying. You summed up dark ages Christianity perfectly.
A new williamsrd yaaaay 🎉
I like Skirmish games because they are inbetween large scale wargames and pen-and-paper Roleplaying Games.
I am fan of tactical roleplaying games because they include combat, upgrading your character, and large scale than single-player games.
Videogames like Fallout 1, 2, & Tactics, Baldur's Gate 1 &2, Icewind Dale 1 & 2 are tactical roleplaying games.
Ranting, but I dont like modern tabletop D&D because its abandoned the Skirmish/Tactical roleplaying combat. Youre not supposed to control multiple characters, used miniatures, or the 2d/3d combat being a focus.
Just seeing the models early in the video got me really excited.
I used to look for Warhammer smartphone games and there was a Mordheim game that got shut down 2 years ago. It was kind of fun, but it did have Permanent losses and often seemed Pay-To-Win. I remember how early on I had a Reikland warband that with heavy grinding I had 8 soldiers with full plate armor, Hochland Long Rifles, and a lot of skills. The company that ran the game ruined my warband when they took away Reikland's access to speed skills.
My favorite part of the video was when John Mordheim showed up, said “It’s Mordin Time” and then he Morded all over those guys. Peak Kino.
Get ready for the sequel, Morbheim, city of the Morbed
"It's Mordin Heim"
This is the second time I have recently seen the word "kino." Is it making a comeback?
@@lldrax2From where I am it never went away so who knows, maybe
😢 I wept when he said it.
Will you cover the WH fantasy RTS ?
For research purposes, what is this game and is it on steam?
@@grandlancer warhammer fantasy mark of chaos . Its not on steam , but it is on GOG.
@@vroiderantas Awesome, I will check it out
There was a number of skirmish games. Necromunda, Gorkamorka, Full Tilt, Inquisitor etc. Not so many at the fantasy side.
You can use Mordheim for other fantasy street fights.
Full Tilt is a Bretonnian Jousting game.
I learned more about old world Warhammer Fantasy than I have from any other lore video I tried to watch.
seeing all those Age of Reckoning clips makes me wish it would come back I miss how cool that game was for its time
It did. Fans managed to reverse engineer it. Search for Return of Reckoning. Have fun!
"Warhammer Fantasy game with a less liked 40k version" Where have I heard that?
*And why am I crying?*
Seeing as you are looking at playing RoR feel free to reach out. I lead Warbands for the NA destro guild Agony and love to help new players learn the game.
Just reached the end. Agree that act 3 was smooth as can be for me, too. I've played on 4 machines, including s laptop, as well as remote playing onto my phone with a dongled mouse, a tablet, Shadow PC, with a CPU as old as sn i7 4790 with an rtx 2060, an i5 13400f with a 6600xt, etc and never have a problem. I'm a hardware guy, and it is an actual fact that just having the highest end graphics card doesn't mean you'll play smoothly. A mid range card is far more likely to give smooth gameplay, because it's generation is usually on par with the development of the game. It doesn't need extra optimizing. It's literally likely the hardware the games were used in part during development. And if you're running say, a 4090 and have trouble, wuick crying st the devs to optimize. They have a virtually infinite number of hardware combinations they have to account for in optimization for that overkill Graphics Card. Learn how to optimize your dang hardware yourself. It isn't difficult for I've static PC setup. It's not arcane magic. All the machines i play on, the virtual machine on an old laptop lacking a gpu while outta state without steam logged in at home, and act 3 was flawless in 1500+ gameplay hours now, aside from patch 4, where the problem was the crime calculation problems, I've had zero act 3 problems and the only bug in 6 playthroughs is that jaheira randomly disappeared from camp in rivington oddly on one playthrough, and never returned, which cost me minsc (i am suspicious that in a battle with the Deva that appears after robbing stormshore temple donations, i didn't realize it snd so never thought to see if withers needed to rez her, lol).
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I think Voltaire would be flattered lmao.
One thing I would like to remind people about warp stone and Warhammer fantasy. Some people snort demon uranium like it's cocaine.
Since magic is the shattered parts of Tzeentch, every spellcaster is bound to his will :3
I actually met Tuomas Pirinen, the original writer of Mordheim, a couple years ago. He said the Sisters won in the sense that female priesthood was officially accepted in the Empire, but uhh I dunno if it was maybe his original intention that never made it into official material after the Mordheim game was abandoned. The writers for the later editions of WHFB definitely didn't know what to do with them.
Another interesting thing was that he disagreed with the name Empire of Man. The Imperium Man claims jurisdiction over all humanity, but the Empire is totally cool with humans existing outside it. If anything was an official name, it should be the Empire of Sigmar. Empire of Man originated in Warhammer Fantasy Roleplay and seems to have been adopted by the people making the new Old World game.
Generally it's called 'the Empire of Man' because it is (at least for much of it's history) the largest human controlled nation in the setting. It also doesn't have any other name, outside of just 'The Empire', unlike Bretonnia, Cathay, or any of the other majority human nations in the setting.
I did not realize that Mordheim was a direct rip... i mean insperation for Drakenheim lol
Cracked up when over half this video was just deranged rambling attempting to shorthand Warhammer lore about one city and still being unable to avoid dragging in hundreds of years of expanded setting history just for context.
20:45 - They could be used in WHF, just as Warrior Priestesses.
I'm glad I got to be there for the stream, here have some more money from your hunchback archer.
26:31 That's some Claymore shit and I love it for them
Always love hearing about Warhammer Fantasy, fingers crossed we get more Mordheim in the future
Mordheim, classic necromunda, and Inquisitor we're my favorite GW games. Honorable mention to Battlefleet Gothic. Never played the Vidya version of any of these lol, but I do love me some table top skirmish games, my main one now is Bolt Action and it's essentially riding the line between skirmish and wargame.