The D&D Game Where The Planet Is Filled With Dinosaurs
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Warriors of the Eternal Sun is a D&D video game from 1992 by Westwood in which the Basic D&D setting of Mystara is revealed to be hollow and full of dinosaurs.
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As a Warlock of Godzilla, bane of Apes, There is no Japan.
Announcing we got a V tuber, not even mention there name is totally an admission your just trying to do some hip for the kids with no faith that anyone actually cares about said vee tuber, kinda absurd you have such little respect for your audience you think that you can just jangle the Pavlovian keys of V Tuber and people will just throw money at you like a stripper in a rap video.
It also says you don’t think much of your exclusive content if that’s your selling point. I invited a nameless anime avatar to have a chat.
Perhaps keep in mind plenty of people might be seeing you or rather listening for the first time and we have absolutely no idea what you and your friend’s conversations go and adding anime avatar person might just sound like just add water for more cringe.
You should focus on advertising what makes you special and make that your selling point rather than saying I invited someone else. It bespeaks a lack of faith in your own talent anytime anyone uses a random guest to sell themselves. If people are going to pay you based on your content, advertise more of you. That’s how they know you and that is what they would be paying for if they want to support you. In other words, don’t lower yourself to chasing trends just be you. Adding not you isn’t a good way to sell your own content.
Just some constructive criticism. Sorry if you don’t appreciate it but I did try to be entertaining about it.
I wish Japan was a real place and not just a DND setting
ITS REAL YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE ME ITS JUST INVISIBLE
@@WilliamSRD THE ANIME FANS MADE IT UP TO MAKE ANIME FEEL MORE SPECIAL
Please god no...
yasuke is a samurai ok! GET OVER IT!
Everybody knows that there are samurai jungle space cats on the moon
And the hollow world wasn't even our equivalent of the underdark. That was the world below. The hollow World was so much more
Hollow World does need to make a serious comeback.
Where can I find your video about the invisible moon?
Oh God, William woke up the elder nerd.
@@tssteelx Aliens of Mystara has a good chunk of info about it. At least the Rakasta. Outside of the Samurai Jungle Space Cats, there's little info on the other two nations.
I need a TMNT crossover with D&D's samurai jungle space cats, so bad...
"So Mystara was designed as a pretty box standard Wester Fantasy Setting.... Anyways one of the eldest immortal deity being is a literal T-Rex Wizard who discovered the earth is shallow and decided to use it to invent a massive Natural Reserve where to store all the doomed cultures so they dont go extinct"
Arguement, this is pretty much how nutty D&D is if you took every bit of inspiration and every supplement and jammed it into the nearest unfilled section of your map.
Why did we get FR when this was clearly lit af?
@@joshuakern2762 Novels. Fist Greenwood but really solidified with Drizzle.
I mean this is basically the most generic Western Fantasy Story idea so
@@chuth2768 Yes, the kingdom living off a crashed spaceship screams generic Western Fantasy.
Man, between this and Wraith you’re on a roll with games where the setting and source material are 1000% more interesting than the game itself.
It's funny you brought up thieves being weak. There's a glitch in this game where if you activate the thieves' backstab ability on the world map then go into a first person dungeon, the back stab does not go away when they attack like it normally should. This makes a thief into a melee shredder and it's entirely possible to solo the game with only one thief as a fun challenge run.
"Ok, so, what do you do on your turn ?"
"I backstab the world map !"
Yeah, it's faithful to the original game alright.
Mystara mentioned, someone call mr welch
I expect he shall reveal himself when his name is said 3 times
Mr Welsh?
Mr.. Welsh
It's actually Welch by the way. Like what people do when they owe me money
Mr Welch?
A dinosaur wizard literally sounds like something a five year old would come up with.
yes, but imagine a dinosaur druid....
@@InkWarrior yes, but imagine a dinosaur paladin...
@@danielgehring7437 Holy Avengers; every friggin tooth
A recent 5e book features a blueberry dragon. So, yeah.
@@prophetzarquon1922 my Barbarian would try and eat it.
Oh my god, this is the D&D game my friend had for his Sega when I was a kid and for 30 years I've wondered which D&D game it was
I was probably a little too young and remember this game being incredibly difficult and confusing. I kept renting it from the video store every week though!
Lol. Same.
@@johnracine4589 relatable
There's an incredibly fun pulp adventure ttrpg called Hollow Earth Expedition that's set in 1936 and is pretty much Indiana Jones, The Librarians, The Mummy, and Atlantis: The Lost Empire as a ttrpg setting. Annihilating Nazis with an Atlantean ray gun while riding a psionically controlled T-Rex is both expected and encouraged.
The game was fun but it took serious liberties with the actual hollow World rules. Like how the spell of preservation rewrites your memories so you think that you've always been there when you get teleported to it. There's no resurrection magic either. The biggest failing I think was you couldn't play any of the races endemic to the setting. Magic was almost impossible unless you had very high stats in wisdom or intelligence. You were stuck with the regular seven instead of the 20+ new ones in the box set
a setting based on one of my favorite conspiracies
when i was a teenager, a guy at an art show handed me this huge thick pamphlet, and it was a massive 50 page explanation of the hollow earth, functioning in the same way to the mystara one. i wish i still had it. i thought it was some dude's weird fiction until it kept going and going. this setting is like if 5e released a "forgotten realms has been FLAT the whole time" sourcebook
22:33 You know, if the castle flipping upside down while falling into hollow world is a reach too far, why not consider an alternative option?
It didn't flip as it fell, it simply fell the ENTIRE way through the hollow and landed on the opposite side of the planet!
To be fair the earth is mostly non-carbonated water so it is technically flat
Everything you thought was awesome as a kid - dinosaurs, wizards, dinosaur wizards - still is
I had so many hollow world source books back when i was a kid.
AN OG HOLLOW WORLD FAN DISCOVERED
I still have my box set and extra modules. It is a great setting
Great review. Some more context about the setting: Hollow World was created by the late Aaron Allston, a RPG designer who had a love for pulp “lost world” stories. It was very much inspired by Edgar Rice Burroughs Pellucidar, with its mishmash of dinosaurs and ancient cultures. Allston went on to write the definitive TTRPG supplement on running lost world campaigns, Lands of Mystery. But more relevant for your channel, he wrote the story and accompanying material for another lost world CRPG: Worlds of Ultima-The Savage Empire.
Some of us love the bonkers creativity of the early RPG scene. No limits, expect anything.
I think this basically is the fuel that powers the OSR.
I mean, from my (admittedly limited) familiarity with OSR, they're mainly remaking the same game over and over. So maybe setting, but not rules and DEFINITELY not sacred cows.
I would be happy to be proven wrong, though.
@@Feuerhamster they're basically only remaking the BECMI and 1st rulesets. Some attempt to recreate WFRP 1st Ed.
That said, some are standard clones and some are just bug nuts.
Lamentations Of The Flame Princess is brutally original in its various settings (sometimes to its detriment). Old School Essentials has some fairly unique modules. Dungeon Crawl Classics is almost closer to Weird Fiction than standard high or low fantasy.
@@josephshriner2850What is Castles & Crusades like? I know it has a setting called Aihrde and I do have its 5e conversion but haven't looked at the setting in general compared to say Scarred Lands more (both 3.5, Pathfinder 1e, & 5e versions).
@@warellis I honestly don't know. I haven't read any Castles and Crusades material. I know many rules sets have breakdowns on UA-cam which explain their mechanics. Regarding settings, you may be able to find video or blog reviews.
"The Planet Is Filled With Dinosaurs": is the Coziest D&D game.
I did not expect that, but I am intrigued.
Now, I imagine Ka talking like Dr. Dinosaur from Atomic Robo.
Ka: "If I treat well the unicorns, they will teach me their magic secrets. Thanks to the power of sympathetic magic!"
The wizard in your party: "That's not how sympathetic magic works."
Ka: "Silence, mammal!"
Ahhh, finally a proper look at the best D&D setting, and it's cracked out museum.
Warriors of the Eternal Sun and Secret of Evermore are the two most nostalgic games for me.
I remember playing this a lot, or trying to, when I was 5-6 years old. Never made it very far.
Secret of Evermore sort of is interesting for being the mostly forgotten game that I still hear about once every couple years.
I like that you went to the trouble of explaining the hollow earth hypothesis and how it was disproving; a lot of people would not have gone that far for a video about a d&d game.
I remember these....and I remember how interesting it could be. Personally, I like Dark Sun and sometimes Birthright more than Hollow World.
Birthright is severely underrated. Behind Ravenloft and Mystara it's my preferred setting.
The entire lore in this setting attached to the Moon and the Hollow World sounds like an acid/shroom trip gone wrong, where they just happened to invite their esoteric nerd pal (that would be me) who takes advantage of their dazed and receptive state to exhibit everything he knows about Agartha.
"The immortal T-Rex wizard"
Alright, this isn't what I thought I would be learning today and that's why I keep coming back here.
Thieves in Baldur's Gate would start to take on their other job, traps. Only a thief could detect and disarm traps and hidden compartments. You could do it with some spells but those are limited. Thieves in BG could also try to scout a room. Although jumping in and wrecking them and reliading if you got killed was faster.
Ahh Mystara, the third regular fantasy setting that everybody forgets about. (Greyhawk, and the Realms being the other two.) It's definitely the most wacky of the core settings. With some really interesting sub settings like the Hollow Earth and Red Steel.
I'm glad that it got some love in the video game department considering how few people even know the setting exists now adays.
This game appears interesting maybe i'll seek it out someday.
There are a few settings that only got a single game so I hope that you'll get to those in the future. Love your content as always.
Red Steel?
@@AL-lh2ht Red Steel was a sub-setting of Mystara. Kind of the same way Al-Qadim was a sub setting of the Forgotten realms.
It's main feature was a dust, vermeil, which grants extraordinary powers to anyone who brews it up and drinks it, but also may cause excruciating physical deformities, and special metal, called cinnabryl, which can be formed into jewelry that fends off the side effects of vermeil, and shaped into weapons capable of wounding magical creatures. (That's the red steel of the namesake.)
The setting was set in a place called the Savage Coast and the main conceit had various groups fighting over control of vermiel and cinnabryl . It was very swashbuckly frontierish.. Also had hints of pre colonization Americas.
There were also a bunch of anthroish animal races for PC's like the Tortle(turtles), Aranea(Spiders), Lupin(Dogs) and Rakasta(Cats).
I'm pretty sure Mystara's Hollow Earth was mostly inspired by Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth.
And high quality drugs
This is totally off topic, but halfway through the video I got an ad break and one of them was for Shinesty’s ball hammock underwear. Just to give you a flavor of what kind of products the UA-cam ad pushing algorithm thinks your viewers might like to know about 😂 That ad was just as bonkers as the hollow earth theory.
UA-cam algorhitm detected all the half-naked barbarian heroes and took the opportunity.
I keep getting erectile disfunction ads, and those ads for some product - obviously a scam - that one teenager invented and that big pharma/energy/government don't want you to know about. Oh, and Raymore and Flannigan are having another f--king sale: I don't know why they don't just advertise when they're not having a sale, it would be easier.
No XP sharing is a weird design decision considering all the options they might have gone with.
It's just the way oldskool tabletop D&D worked for XP balance along with other oddities like XP for treasure (which is the other way you can get your thief to level a lot faster than your other party members in tabletop if you're willing to lean into the trope a bit more).
@@JeremyLevi Yeah, but at least there you had the excuse that D&D was designed for, um, 'expendable' characters, so taking what you could when you could was par for the course. Like players would bring stacks of backup characters because most dungeons were just a meat grinder and you never got attached to any one in particular. This game, you're supposed to be following the same for doofuses (doofi?) through the whole thing.
AD&D 2e started to use class xp more. You get xp for doing your class thing as a semi-optional rule. A thief still gets xp from loot which means they easily rake it in. A fighter wants to fight stuff. Wizards get xp from using their spell, once a day chump. Bards get xp from a bit of everything, having settled as a jack of all trades fighter-wizard-thief.
Mystara is one of my favourite DnD settings and the hollow world is just wild.
Speaking of other dnd games, have you heard of "dungeons and dragons birthright gorgon's alliance", I played once on a friend system years ago, and your channel just remind me that it existed. (didnt even remember the name, had to google to be sure)
That's nae how ye say Schiehallion Wullie, but nae far aff, so cheers for given her a wee mention pal 😉
My favourite subset of Mystara is the Red Steel/Savage Baronies "sub-setting." Despite being set in Mystara, it was made in the AD&D system, and can be summarized as "Swashbuckling adventures in Caelid"
So like half the setting is Spanish influenced, to the point that there is a Fantasy Texas. There are also dog-people and cat-people; the Cat People are like if Britian evolved out of Feudal Japan, and the Dog people are French Musketeers. So it seems kind of wacky, but also there is a horrible, setting-defining plague called the Red Curse which gradually erodes people's bodies and minds while simultaneously granting them powerful magic.
Absolutely baffling. I always thought a campaign set in Renardie (The Lupin/Dog Person settlement) in some kind of Red Curse-fueled french revolution would be fun.
I _love_ early science (y’know, except for the racism and stuff)
It’s like, “Lord Bartlebey, look at this string dangling at an angle.
I have discovered that this mountain on the planet earth… is not as massive as *the entire rest* of planet earth!”
No shade. Somebody had to figure this stuff out. It’s just very funny.
And yet...
And science today is different.
Meanwhile, 21st century science: "Lord Bartlebey, according to my calculations the universe is made of string. Now we just need to build a machine the size of Switzerland to prove it."
Mr Welch’s YT channel is the best resource for Mystara lore in the world.
All those hidden dungeons along the cliffside, and I think one might be under a shrub somewhere, those were kind of neat.
Watching all the overworld fighting in this vid was tough, being aware the path of least resistance to grind Fire Giants in first person mode, where they're defenseless walking bags of EXP. There's something that feels so wrong about doing that as a party of level 1 scrubs, and that's why it feels *so right*.
This was a great video! I really appreciate you talking about the history of hollow-world beliefs and literature - early D&D was so heavily inspired by classic pulp fantasy and science fiction that can be practically unknown to modern players, and I'm always so excited to see someone demonstrating those connections!
I just replayed Warriors of the Eternal Sun for the second time ever YESTERDAY, crazy timing lol
You had me at campaign setting with dinosaurs.
I never knew there was so much lore that this game was based on. Very nice to find out more about a game that holds a lot of nostalgic value to me.
This was one of my favorite games, couldnt remember the title thou. Thank you very much for reminding me.
You know Miystera actually grabbed me with hiw interesting it is. The old lore tends to be some of my favorite parts of these videos. Maybe you could do videos just about the old setting lore without needing an accompanying game?
Hollow World was the first setting I played a D&D game, and I still love it to this day.
Thank you so much for talking about this setting i’ve literally never heard anyone talk about the insane stuff happening in mystara 😭
This makes me think of a mix of Ultima Savage Empire & Eye of the Beholder. EotB especially in the dungeons and portraits. Might have to give it a play. Thanks for this coverage!
You had me at "T-Rex wizard god". That is hecking awesome!
Whoa! I actually owned this game back in the day. I used to sit there and try and draw the box art... quite poorly lol.
I love just how batshit old school D&D could get. When I was a teenager in the 90s every hobby outlet, used book shop, or gaming store had a ton of old OG modules and assorted materials. Even when I wasn't playing I would still pick up the books because they were so fun to read. Wish I still had all of those, but that's how it goes I suppose.
3:40 Mr_Welch is also a very good creator of 5e content for Mystara!
Mystara: Yo dawg we heard you like game settings, so we put a game setting in your game setting.
TWICE
@@Mr_Welch Hey! It Mr.Welch! Of course you show up on one of the few Mystara videos not on your Channel. I guess you gotta make sure others are doing your favorite and the best D&D setting justice.
@@MrBsberzerker it doesn't hurt that I've been tagged about seven times
@@Mr_Welch I mean that makes sense. If I see a Mystara video not by you I can't help but think "I wonder what Mr.Welch would think about this, and if he thinks it's accurate?" By the way thanks for being a great guide to Mystara your work has been very helpful and appreciated. Also what is the other setting you are referring too?
@@MrBsberzerker red steel. And this game took serious liberties with the hollow world to make the video game actually playable.
The spell of preservation is very interesting and neatly gets around the issue of how has this culture remained unchanged for so long that quite a few hollow earths don’t really address.
For years, whenever old dungeon crawl games come up I remember playing one on a console (Sega something) as a kid that I really liked. I remember my friend had it and we played it at his house, and I liked it so much it was one of the reasons I bought my own console (the other was Shining Force). I didn't remember what the game was until I saw this video. It's not like I remember it clearly. I remember 1st person dungeons, 3rd person overworld, aztec-like lizardmen and something about the very late levels having a purple hue. It was seeing the trolls that confirmed it for me. Even though I don't remember the name, I recall it being fancy, and Warriors of the Eternal Sun fits the bill. It's weird how some games stick with you, and many others do not.
This game was a huge part of my childhood, I'm so glad to see you cover it! Soundtrack is absolutely banger.
27:56 Oh...that's why Japanese fantasy manga/animé series have adventures mindlessly grinding levels for hours, dying, and ressurecting in a temple. It's all based on the editions of D&D they got and these games. Ohhhhh.
I'm so glad to see you showing off a game from my childhood. Returning to this game as an adult was so fun.
I loves this game and played the shit out of it back in the day. I also developed my own "spiral walking backward" death technique!
This was so rad 🤩
Absolutely fantastic vid man. Thank you for making it🙏😃
Fun Fact: Actual Aztecs unironically built their society around human sacrifice and war, historians originally believed that a lot of the stuff they'd heard said about Aztecs was propaganda but then they discovered the human skull racks and evidence of Flower Wars.
Pretty sure Mystara had an Underdark (while not properly called such) as well as it being hollow. The Champions of Mystara supplement mentioned something about a society beneath the Sind Desert, and The Lost City series allowed you to access a cavern system beyond the initial pyramid
Poor duke, continually referred to as a mere baron. No wonder he went mad!
I have suddenly come to the conclusion that there is a severe shortage of dinosaur wizards in media.
More dinosaur wizards!
Thank you for the time and effort you put into making this video, it’s awesome seeing the weirdness of Mystara getting talked about. This game actually looked pretty fun, I wish I could get a chance to play it.
I'm 10 seconds in and I'm already loving this.
The Stardew music as you discuss the graphics is perfect.
"Our protagonist is a dinosaur wizard-"
Sold, say no more.
I had so many damn hand-drawn maps from playing this game.
I thought DnD lore was vanilla as it came, but the total opposite is the truth. It's amazing and expansive in a way I can't really compare to anything. It's better, in my mind, than even the amazing depth of LotR, TES and Star Wars.
so I'm making my own ttrpg system and setting. The whole thing is hollow earth. To the point nobody really knows whats on the 'surface' just that a giant hole to it was blown into the planet during the apocalypse.
infinite rpg potential here
I love how identifiable your thumbnails are. everytime I see a new one I get excited lol
YELLOW STRIPE BAYBEEEEEEE
@@WilliamSRD some are calling it the new blue border
One of my favorites from childhood.
Congrats on beating it by grinding, i always had to abuse my knowledge of early wands to get through the game rushing the fire dragon treasure for levels, never actually grinded up legit.
Oh dang, I have a hole where a pole used to be. Maybe Simms was on to something!
I Grew up with this game, replied it more times then I can count. I probably still could find all the hidden Magic items in the starting town without even thinking about it ... Janky but wonderful. Always happy to see more coverage (as well as the Bonus history for Mystara).
Warriors of the Eternal Sun was my first experience with D&D
Mystara was awesome. Red Arrow, Black Shield is still one of my favorites. . .
You can tell it's Westwood cause that's the exact same UI they used for the Eye of the Beholder series.
Great video, underrated channel
I realy like that you explore the setting at the beginning of your Videos. And wanted to leave a comment for the good of algorythem.
I grew up with this one and it's so much rougher than i remember
I love this game. I bought a copy of it at a used game store attached to a grocery store back in the late 90s. I still have it. I've been thinking about replaying it.
Edgar Rice Burroughs used Simms ideas about the hole at the north poles in the Pellucidar books. Wild stuff.
I swear that I’ve done choose your own adventure books in both settings before.
10:50 *Wheeze* Oh my god I love this setting
I like the Robert Rankin story where it turns out the earth is hollow, but we are on the inside and there is a big conspiracy to keep people from realising the sky is fake. And you can breathe in space, they only tell you that there is no air to keep people from going up there to check. He is a very funny man.
Had this back in the day and killed final boss with the Wand you get in the first 5 minutes of the game. and didn't even see what the boss was. 10/10
7:36 so, what you're saying is, the Earth has some super dense material between us and the inner world.
I had a box set with EoB 1&2 and two Dark Sun games but I don't remember this one. I would have played the hell out of this on my computer back in the day.
My dad had this game on the genesis when I was growing up and until baldurs gate 3 came out WOTES was my favorite DnD game. I’ve put a ridiculous number of hours into this one over the years.
Writers of a 500 million dollar movie : "Somehow Palpatine returned."
Writers of an 80's D&D back story : Document every possible aspect of a planet in a deep and colorful way so the DM can easily answer any question players ask, full well knowing most probably won't ask because they just want to get some XP from fighting a dinosaur.
The other thing regarding XP is in BX or BECMI you get XP for gold retrieved and enemies "defeated" (meaning if you made them run away or you bypassed them you can still get XP) but the is tricky to code in a CRPG and to balance it.
I love the games and learning about them but even more I think I love learning about all these wild settings in early RPGs.
Thieves was pretty good to have in Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale. Specially if you could get them behind the enemy.
They often came into use when it came to traps, locked doors, semi-decent archer, and the sneak attacks were just wonderful.
love your videos mate
Hollow World fast fantastically bonkers setting. It was amazing!
Just wanted you to know I forgot the name of this channel and was trying to remember, and then was able to remember because of the bit in the sky jousting video where you play the clip from A Knight's Tale and then go "Thats my name!"
Absolutely loved the video, but the Wii Sports music during the climax was quite distracting to my discerning ears x.x
And we summon something amazing when you said that a few seconds after an O2 phone ad started playing.
Yes! Been hoping for this episode. One of my favorite OST of all time