Thank you for your support for Chelsea! The original AP article and Podcast done by Reveal News are linked below. apnews.com/article/mormon-church-investigation-child-sex-abuse-9c301f750725c0f06344f948690caf16 revealnews.org/podcast/hidden-confessions-of-the-mormon-church/
It takes an incredible amount of strength and commitment to shine light on the abuses these (primarily) men perpetuate and allow. Thank you Chelsea and Shelise, for your powerful vulnerability, and speaking out for so many who can not.
Thank you both for taking your abuse out of the darkness and out from under silencing in order to take a stab at the roots of it. My abuse is different and the structural harms that helped hide it are also different. But CPTSD is the same. I have so many treatment plans going on constantly to aid and teach my central nervous system that sleep is safe. Our bodies do have somatic, IE: wordless flashbacks, and education even on this one point could be life changing for fellow survivors. I wish I had known this while still young. My abuse was through public school and my mother having munchausen's and making me proxy. It's amazing how much I get out of watching cult survivors speak. What I do see or all of us is how legitimized the abuse is because there is involvement from a powerful societal structure. A child has no way of tackling something so big. I tried to get help and CPS could not read my abuse pattern and left me there. The school was complicit and not only helped my abuser keep me in place, but also replicated the harms, so that I rarely had a moment of relative peace. I'm so glad the churches are being blown open with powerful spotlights. It will expose abusers and healing/safety can break into that scary, hidden nightmare for children. I respect you both so much.
sorry to burst the antichrist bubble, luv u all. but i gotta tell the truth anyways. why you think they killed the bible apostles and Jesus also:( Antichrist Churches; Align to the Word of the LORD! One thing I've learned is that Antichrist churches hate when you say John 3:5 is water baptism in Jessus name, though John Baptist for ran this message before the church began. they will go so far as to lie and say this refers to a natural birth, hahahha lol. which makes no sense because they are clearly already born here and breathing on this earth lol. Jesus said anyways regardless of their false doctrine rebel always that we must be born again, meaning a second time, nice try false doctrine advocates. John Baptist whole ministry was preparing people for repentance and water baptism hence the name John the Baptist. What a ludicrous claim. John did day they were not all from us. 1 John 2:18 “Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.” 1 John 2:19 “They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.” Why do antichrists churches fight Jesus name baptism so hard when it's clearly a New Testament practice. Acts 19:5 “When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.” Acts 8:16 “(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)” Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” Because of their rebellion towards the word of the Lord by default they have also those ancient demons in them I believer or upon them; they cannot be baptized in Jesus name; their devils are too strong over them, not really but it's just that they choose. Oh they put on a good show as far as singing worship and praise and talking around the Word of God, but that's about it, an anointed knowledgeable person of God can see right thru these fakes, false apostles. 2 Corinthians 11:13 “For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.” 2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.” 2 Corinthians 11:15 “Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
They're not serious about obeying the Word of the Lord. Believers be sure to obey the Word of the Lord. don't thing your smarter than Jesus, just follow the Word and the Apostles examples, it will keep you from the Antichrists hell they are walking to, so so ignorantly. Acts 2:38 “Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.” When these false teachers get to hell they never coming out. Peter's and Phillip's and Paul's examples of water baptism in Jesus name just aitnt good enough for them I guess? Wow. insane. Antichrists these days if they were still here would surely fight the original Apostles also. No marvel.... Paul said. Simply last admonition, after the fourth reject as heretics Paul wrote. Follow the Bible Apostles to heaven, follow the patterns the Lord Jesus and the Bible Apostles set forth. Amen. Obey the Word of the Lord. 1 Corinthians 3:11 “For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
As an exmo and dentist myself, I’m just blown away by the details of this poor woman’s experience and the fact that her father continues to practice!! He should be in prison, not treating patients or being around his kids/grandkids. Thank you for having the courage to raise awareness.
One of the hardest things about listening to these horrific experiences is when the mom is complicit in the abuse. I’m so glad this mom stood up for her children!! Can’t wait for part two.
@@BognaZonesome men are indeed evil. But there are supernatural entities who use those evil natures to harm others. And they love that you don’t acknowledge their existence.
I’m sure that they survived the abuse by having strong mothers. As they are victims themselves, and didn’t sway one bit to do the right thing. Just look how strong both these young ladies are today. ❤️
My gut instinct say the same. This man is an abuser as well. Believe it or not, the church across the board is rampant into pornography, (which I was told by a Christian counselor when trying to save my marriage over pornographic addiction by my husband) is that… when I asked counselor how bad can this get… he said it usually ends in pedophilia ! That really helped me to decide against reconciliation after 1 1/2 years of counseling and trying to deal with the devastation , betrayal and do many other issues that this brought up. I too had been sexually assaulted as a child and I really trusted my husband. Boy was I duped! He went to great lengths to his it and still continue in his secret son. But, as I said… when I found that it most definitely has the likely hood of ending in pedophilia… I was done with him !
LDS / Mormon viewers are likely to see this as an isolated problem. It's not. It's systemic. The systemic fix? Mandatory reporting to legal authorities rather than this organization's lawyers. Background checks for those working with minors. 2 deep leadership always. Policies and training in place for vulnerable moments (potty time, campouts, etc...) No more creepy worthiness interviews for youth. I know, this organization resists all these things, but... this is the fix.
The Mormon church is the only church who does these creepy worthiness interviews. I get it that other churches have problems, but they don't regularly take a child one-on-one with a man, behind closed doors, who asks them explicit s* x questions with shaming and control. That is a Mormon problem.
I am a man who experienced violent childhood physical abuse for decades. My father sounds very much like John and I can appreciate the deceit and manipulation perpetrated on those who knew our family and how difficult it was for any of us to communicate and be believed by all those people who he was able to deceive. I knew Chelsea and her family when she was a college student. Chelsea was one of the nicest people that I knew during that time. Her mom was and I am sure still is a model mother. I didn't know her father John very well, but John sounds so much like mine own father and I can really understand the frustration, fear, and despair. I feel so bad for you Chelsea and Loraine but I am also so proud of you, stay strong.
Dr. Brooks, I had no idea that you went through all of that in your life. Thank you so much for sharing that, and for the help and kindness you always showed me during the season that our paths crossed. Sending love. I hope you and your family are well!
Hi Chelsea I've just finished listening to your story and wow , I have so much admiration for you after hearing your story . So thankyou so much for having the courage to be so open honest and brave I don't think I'd be able to do that , you are an amazing person . Doing the video is going to affect many girls and guys on many levels I'm sure and also help in your healing process.@@chelseagoodrich6383
No doubt! So often we hear these stories and the mother does NOTHING. Her mother cannot be praised enough for being brave in doing what she knew was right.
One of my coworkers is LDS and her youth pastor husband is currently being sued and investigated for multiple cases of CSA. Two victims allege she walked in on the acts and did nothing. Sickening.
@@janai5074not “just as”, but yes, she’s complicit. The one doing the act is responsible for himself. Not doing something is a different kind of evil than actually r@ping a child.
Just for the record, your Mom may have been "just a stay at home Mom", but she did what she had to to protect you as soon as you told. As a mother, your mother has a grace I doubt I possess. God bless you all, it has to get better.
As a CSA survivor my heart weeps for everyone that has been a victim. This story breaks my heart. As a former Mormon, it validates my reasons for leaving and my disdain and loathing for the church itself.
First of all, there should NEVER be an NDA offered to cover up a case like this. The members of the church need to be super concerned about the fact it was offered by the church. It makes me sick.
@deninejackson2316 Absolutely. Thankfully, an NDA is considered unenforceable under specific conditions: victims/witnesses cannot be compelled to keep criminality secret through the use of non-disclosure agreements. The courts will throw out such NDAs.
@@ihaveseensuchthingsduh they cant force you to lie ether or break the law so they can write one its t.p. and should be flushed ..know your rights and laws
This is a cancer that has no boundaries. We had a relative who was never named it was never mentioned. That still happens teach your children to be vocal teach them about their bodies.
I love that last comment that Chelsea made saying that "Don't be afraid to be crazy when it comes to honesty, telling the truth especially for the sake of protecting innocent children".
Thank you, Dear Sisters! I remember a great aunt, telling me about her sexual abuse at summer camp with the RLDS in the 1930’s! This helped me as a therapist and as a survivor of sexual abuse !
Wow. I respect your courage and determination to protect other children and hold your dad accountable. This episode reminded me of the gaslighting adults did to me as a kid when I tried to talk about things that happened to me. They are vague memories now but that sense of something happened and no one would listen. I feel grateful for this channel and the work you are doing and the work your guests are doing.❤
I think the days of 'flying under the radar' are coming to an end for the LDS. Respect to your guest and thanks for your consistently excellent content.
I hope they are held accountable!!! I have a friend who was raped by her father repeatedly Her mother knew but pretended not to know. He was a temple holder.
The systemic use of power to abuse and keep abuse unspoken is appalling. I understand as 'true believers' that they feel the meeting with the bishop or stake president 'absolves' them of this sin but I was always taught there was a step of restitution that needed to be made in order for the full effect of the atonement to wash my sins away. Absolutely no restitution was attempted by the father, nor required by his clergy/friends. Is this a doctrine they believe or not? These leaders are untrained, being uncomfortable in dealing with the reality of treatment needed for pedophiles and ignoring this is a detriment to everyone. We haven't even begun to speak of the lack of support for those affected. In a church that espouses supporting the 'widows and the fatherless' (100% these children were fatherless figuratively) they did nothing. The worst of it is that they intentionally harmed the weakest. Absolute power corrupting absolutely.
That is just one of the reasons why all religious organizations should either be heavily supervised from outside, or downright forbidden. Want to believe and worship? Great do it solo at home!
Yes. Religion, especially those with intense purity culture, appears to amplify the problem that may already exist in someone. Then it protects them under the “forgiveness” policies.
The thing is, the bi bul is riddled with rape, incest, sex trafficking by the so called chosen Ppl and the bi bul god winks so , it's no wonder this is rampant in the Abrahamic religions.. Completely a program of the game we are in right Now 😢
Religion was created to control people. Control creates abuse. Until we get rid of Religion, we will never EVOLVE, we will be regressed, selfish, cruel, violent... It has nothing to do with God. Religion keeps humanity in darkness.
I'm so sorry Chelsea and Shelise for what you had to go through. Listening to this made me cry. I have a lot of suppressed memories and I can maybe remember 10% of my own CSA. I feel like my brain is trying to protect me because of how bad it really was. I get a little fragment of memory back every now and then and certain places, words and movements send me into a panic - my brain won't tell me why but I know it's some past trauma. I think it's for the best that I don't know and thankfully my abuser is dead now. Thank you so much for sharing your story, it helped me a lot to understand my own past and why I act the way I do sometimes a little bit better. I can especially relate to Chelsea about losing my first love because I just couldn't be physically intimate not even a hug, I had debilitating migraines, panic attacks, uncontrollable shaking and crying. Thank you again for being so brave and sharing your story.
Thank you so much for sharing this. I am incredibly sorry for what you've been through, and that you've suffered similar pain and loss. I'm grateful though that we can at least see and understand each other as fellow survivors. Sending so much love and support to you!
This church has been involved with this harm to so many, including me, and it's almost the same pattern every time. These master manipulators get protected. Children are left more confused than ever. Please know that the church has NOT made changes with bishop's interviews with kids. They pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and created the illusion of change after we spent and entire summer 2018 with Sam Young, marching to church HQ, calling to each apostle for one of them to meet with Sam to talk about the problem of the one on one interviews. We gave each apostle a book of all of our stories and how they had been involved. Ask we got was Sam was excommunicated, and they told the news the would 'allow a parent in' to the interviews if they wanted.' The 'change ' they made was an illusion. They don't ask parents to come. They don't encourage it. It's business as usual. And these are our kids, at the least being groomed. We were ALWAYS ALLOWED to go in that office. Sam was asking them to *stop the explicit s* x questions. *Stop taking children one on one alone behind closed doors with a man. Neither of those has stopped. Please interview Sam Young!
My mom was a camp director for girl's camp for a couple of years. The last year, at one point two sisters confessed to her that their stepfather and stepbrother were assaulting them. My mom went to the bishop, and he blew her off. This really upset her, so she went to the stake president. The stake president told her she needed to mind her business and stay out of it and that it was best for the family unit to stay intact. WTF? She was so angry. She went home and called law enforcement and then we left the church. I'm so sorry this was something you all had to go through.
I'm so sorry you both had to go through those horrors. Parents are supposed to protect their children not harm them. My heart goes out to all SA victims
Thank you for your support hun.I myself never got any from my family. They decided I should get over it!!considering someone in the family was the purp. Needless to say, I have disowned them al.l
This isn’t just about religion, this is about certain men in society. Thousands of men travel to places such as Thailand every year, to SA minors, so it’s about men believing they can pretty much get away with anything. It’s a strange world we live in at times
@@benzun9600 I would suggest the Mormon belief system ( along with many other beliefs), has much to answer for. Or are you suggesting people are lying about their own experiences?
Religion does come into play here, but it's not specific to Mormonism. It's the fact that people who hold positions of power within an organization are regularly protected even though they sometimes have dozens of reports of abuse against them. One of the biggest scandals to date was within the Catholic Church. My family is LDS and there are plenty of abuse stories that we no longer bother talking about because no one listens.
@@benzun9600the Mormon faith attracts @busers. This isn’t unique to the LDS church, but it has a power structure that allows men to establish themselves in positions of trust and have access to and power over victims.
Chelsea, I can't help cry and feel anger for how you were treated. I was sexually abused as a child, too. I believe you and I hear you. I honor you for your courage. I speak out as well to keep childrend safe. I don't care what church leaders think about me being out spoken. Children are precious and need to be protected from sick individuals who seek out children to gratify their sick appetite. I can say that the word that comes up for me is a narcissistic sociopath that uses others for their amusement. I don't trust church leaders, and I struggle to really trust anyone, except my dear wife, who knows my story and has been very supportive. Hundreds of hours to trauma therapy, attendance of inpatient and outpatient programs, recovery meetings, and service to others who are going through the process of getting out of denial. I admire your healing journeyand authenticity about your experiences. Thank you for sharing it helps me with my own experiences.
Wow, that is incredible and thank you so much for sharing a little of your story with me. I am deeply sorry for what you've also been through. I'm extremely inspired though by what you've done in response to that to heal and try to help others. We need more men like you who are examples of dealing with their own sexual abuse in the way that you have. I am so grateful that you've had the strong support of your amazing wife. May we continue to fight for our own healing and for the healing of others!
This makes me so angry. I never confronted this person, who is dead now, nor did I tell anyone. I didn't really remember it happened til I was like 30yrs older. Church elders,etc.. should be legally made to report. And the family needs to go straight to law enforcement, if only that it's on some kind of record. I feel for you both. You never know when something might trigger you or memories come to light. A "sisterhood" no one wants to belong to.
As a preface, I’m a SA survivor. I was a few weeks away from turning 16 in 1987. It was at his prom. He put Everclear in my punch without my knowledge. I’ve done a lot of work to be who I am. Stories like this never fail to rip at my heart. I feel both angry and sad for the survivors. Both of you are fighting the good fight to help others speak up. We need more advocates and more people believing the survivors instead of perpetrators. Love to both of you from NJ
My whole childhood in the Mormon cult. Except it was a different family member. Interesting how these people hold callings. I am the only person in my very family that isn’t active. I haven’t been since my 20’s. I’m 50 now. I feel like these churches are such a dangerous place to grow up in.
The people of the church are not the equivalent of following the gospel of Jesus Christ. I'm your age, I've had horrendous experiences with the hierarchy of the church. I learned to separate the 2. I'd never turn away from the Savior because of the evils of deplorable humans hiding behind His words
Churches have been and will always be the main way that the elites control and divide the masses. Hollywood is another area where this behavior is present with control over children. But no one wants to talk about how weird it is that all these organizations that rake in all this income are infatuated with children.
You guys are so brave and thanks so much for sharing. I was also abused like this by my dad and it's so isolating because it's hard to find anyone else who really understands. Feeling that connection vicariously through you two was both difficult and cathartic. I've barely been able to talk about this with therapists, let alone publically, and I really can't imagine having my story plastered over the news suddenly. I definitely wish Chelsea well. Thank you both for having the strength that I don't have yet. Also idk if you'll see this, but you're incredible, Shelise. I tend to freeze up and feel very exposed whenever anyone talks about a CSA case irl. I don't know how you manage to stay present and grounded during these discussions as a survivor yourself. I hope you are doing well and taking care of yourself during this horrific marathon of CSA stories coming out of the Mormon church recently.
I’m so sorry to hear you also had to experience this. My heart goes out to you and I have certainly felt the same way, trying to explain my specific circumstances or feeling like no one really “gets it”. It’s been so nice speaking to Chelsea. I appreciate your concerns for me❤️ Sometimes I feel like I disappear and someone else stronger and unbiased steps in, like I’m channeling an actual therapist lol. Other times, I’m deeply affected and have a good cry immediately after getting off the call. Thankfully my husband is very supportive and does what he can to help bring me back to a regulated state, including sending me to get a massage. I have found body work deeply helps me to release the trauma I soak up from others. Thank you for watching and supporting. You’re not alone ❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness Wow thanks so much for your response! Quick question: do you go to a trauma informed massage therapist or something? I’m so sensitive and easily overwhelmed by touch. So glad that you have Jonathan for support!
This happened to my daughter, the church did nothing. My bishop just told her abuser to not take the sacrament for a few weeks but he didn’t want him to go very long without taking it. And yes, he did fully confess what he had done. Our bishop never reached out to my daughter or any of us during this time. We were still actively going to church regularly. I went through law enforcement to get this handled. Seeing how this was handled for us helped open my eyes to how much the church really does cover up abuse and how the victims are treated with complete disregard. I have a good friend with a very similar story as yours that was not taken seriously or believed by the church. Her father was also thought of as a pilar of his church’s community. Thank you for bravely sharing your stories.
Shelise, admittedly, after watching so many episodes, I can't remember everything or everyone you've mentioned. As I'm watching this episode though, I'm thinking about how well we've gotten to know your amazing mom, but I hardly remember anything said about your father previously. Now, it's very clear why. What's happened to both of you ladies and all of the people who's stories have been told during this recent series of episodes is absolutely awful. You are all amazing for standing up, sharing, and bringing awareness to such a major, systemic issue.
You're both incredibly hurt and pained by all of this, and I'm so gutted and sorry for these marathons you've endured. We all see you and hear you and know that we know it's not, in any way, your fault and that your both incredibly strong and valuable and brave women. I wish you both nothing but the very, very best in life and a happiness that you never imagined possible. Nothing but love from me. ❤
In my case, my dad operated very secretively and also told me not to tell my mom, saying that it would only hurt/upset her. I didn't understand the secrets I was keeping (being very sheltered and not sexually experienced even into adulthood), but I knew I didn't want to hurt my mom so I kept it completely confidential. She truly had no clue because it never crossed her mind that a parent would sexually abuse their own biological child. It just wasn't on her radar. In hindsight, she sees the signs that I was struggling, but at the time she chalked it up to me being a little different and sensitive. There is a huge overlap of symptoms in autism, ADHD, and trauma, and often even specialists can struggle to determine which of these diagnoses is accurate in a child manifesting these symptoms. Even though she didn't know, she has gone through hell trying to forgive herself for not recognizing/not knowing. The minute she knew, she did the right thing, even with major repercussions to her own life.
@@chelseagoodrich6383 I am so sorry that you and your mother have had to go through all this. Abusers often shame the victims into silence, but are charming and manipulative with everyone else. Thank you for sharing your story with the rest of us. You are incredibly brave.
So awful! So sorry to hear the abuse that was perpetrated on you Chelsea. I do admire your courage and hope your recovery becomes as complete as possible. Bless you. ❤
You two amazing, “crazy” women are helping to blow the lid off of a dangerous secrecy. So many people who will never even know your names will have their lives changed for the better by your willingness to bring your stories out into the sunlight. Vulnerable yet SO POWERFUL. Sending so much love and healing to Chelsea, Shelise, and everyone else who has been harmed by the keeping of the secrets ♥️
This story is shocking and your guest did an amazing job of presenting the horrendous details of how her struggle has played out. Thank you for helping and supporting her in what is obviously a painful journey toward her recovery while she reaches out to help other victims who are suffering. Also, I love how the name of your channel identifies the problem and the solution in only three words!
Shelise, thank you so much for these interviews you continue to do. Bringing these stories to light is the only way we can enact real change with how the church handles this stuff. Thank you, Chelsea, for finding the courage and strength to publicly speak about your trauma. I hope you have found healing in your own life. I look forward to watching the next part of this story. So proud of you ladies ❤
I am gobsmacked. By both of your stories. Chelsea, you are brave, remarkable, and NOT CRAZY! I have that same determination to speak truth to an occasional fault. Shelise, you are incredible. To a certain degree, I feel that this interview was for both of you to meet and share your common experiences. I almost feel like I'm in group therapy. Thank you for allowing me to attend. ❤
My childhood dentist. I currently live in Mountain Home…this just hits so close to home and I feel so sad for Chelsea. (My name is Chelsie too) she is so courageous and I am glad she is speaking out because the way the church handles this stuff is absolutely wrong and disgusting. I am so glad I woke up to the reality of this cult. I had no idea what I was getting myself into.
Hi Chelsie, thank you for your comment. I'm sorry for how this may have hit you because of your personal connection. Sending love to you and your family in Mtn. Home!
@@chelseagoodrich6383 Thank you for your story. If we abused children only knew how to deal with the abuse when we were younger, our lives could have been sooo much easier. I am glad that kids are being taught what not to allow, sadly though everyday some kids are still SA’d. For me it was my older brother…. Prayers of continued strength to you🙏🏼
❤ this woman is beyond strong she is amazing please like and share this story it needs to be heard thank you for sharing your story can't wait for part 2
I am a member of the church and went through a divorce. The mother of my x husband gossiped such lies, I was unable to go back to church. I should have moved out of the county to start my life over. That was wise wisdom given to you and your mom.
The rapport you and Chelsea are building is beautiful to watch. I’m sad that you both know the pain of CSA but are supporting each other so well. Hugs to you both ❤
SA is systemic, it is everywhere. I was abused by my eller brottet for years. It started when I was 8 years old and only ende when I ran away from home as a 14 year old. I never got help . Now I am 66 years young and I have lived in three different countries. I have heard hundreds of these stories everywhere I went. I am Swedish and now live in my birth country again.
I’m sorry to hear that. It certainly does exist everywhere. Unfortunately these insulated communities with extreme purity culture rules have higher rates of abuse. At least that’s what I have discovered.
Two of the bravest women on Earth, one thing to live through these horrific abuses once-over but to be brave enough to relive over and over again, wow 😢😢😢❤❤❤
Omg this was so healing and therapeutic. I have always felt very alone in my abuse experience. It's wild that you both also had a similar childhood trauma. Seriously thank you both for sharing ❤ much love to you both!
I'm so proud of you for coming forward with your story and staying the course when it got rough financially. It's difficult for victims to move forward when their perpetrators wield power over them with money. Praying you are healing mentally and emotionally from this trauma and have a spectacular future ahead full of love, peace and prosperity!
I am close sibling to a generational believer isolated in a rural community. 6 kids all home schooled the youngest currently By LDS churches online. our story not good - Yesterday we touched on this subject BUT the conversation stopped when - "The church has the worlds best lawyers and the leadership has procedures in place now so things like this don't happen any more" was said... I felt my response would have-ended or harmed the relationship.. BUT being silent verifies this distorted false thinking. Sure eating at me today. What the Holy F#@!K. how does a church hijack people steal there life sell them back a package that makes them targets for harm, abuse and own them for profit. I am the only one of 5 children that has a close relationship with her still.
Safe virtual hugs. If they had less efficient lawyers they may have been forced to face up to the systemic enabling. We all like to think that we know how to be safe and to keep loved ones safe, even if that means creating mental lies. I know someone who thought that by allowing their 18 yr old to have the party at their house would be safer than drinking out in the pubs (UK drinking age is 18) or the risks of getting home safely - only to find out that a guest raped their daughter, whilst asleep - she woke up mid way. Believing your community - be it small town @we know everyone' or congregation 'people are godly' - to be safe is some sort of protection from the full realisation of the randomness of life, of who missed and who got on the train that crashed etc. Part of making life mentally manageable, but remains a delusion. Your silence in that moment allows the relationship to continue and the potential for other opportunities to comment. Speakig may have removed those options without being effective in that moment. Don't let your choice eat at you, there is noperfect option, we do our best in the moment and hope for wisdom.
My Great Grandpa was a bishop in the 60s or 70s and a little girl who I do not know the name of tried to let people know and nothing happened. He did stuff to some people in our family and was an "upstanding" well liked member of the community. He is dead now but nothing ever happened about the sexual abuse.
This kind of thing has unfortunately been so much more common than we will ever know, because of how much it's been ignored or covered up. Thank you for sharing your experience, and hopefully that little girl that was not believed has been able to find healing.
I’m really sorry if this goes against the guidelines - but DAMN IT IDAHO!!! I keep hearing about my state in so many accounts of religious abuse and ignoring religious abuses. We are so backwards here - especiallly regarding women and children. It’s disgusting.
I went to a Mormon college in ID decades ago and heard some whacko stuff from some local female students. They knew something was off with their own dads or a fiancé’s father, but it’s as if they had to tell me as if to verify. Definitely a creepy vibe I always felt in all UT and ID small towns.
oh, you’re known for all the husbands whom annihilate their families and them themselves, as well. y’all are embarrassing, really. what other state is known for the worst things in life possible to happen and claim to be for god? it’s wild. save the, oh it’s not everyone. no s-t, it never is-that doesn’t need to be said all the time.
I feel like it's too early to say this because I haven't seen Part 2, where it's probably explained, but she got roped into a non-disclosure agreement?! That is so sick. NDAs need to be made illegal when it comes to sexual abuse. Being able to talk about it is part of the healing process and that MUST be protected.
Although I’m not Mormon. My brother molested me from 6-12. I am 21 now, and just started to unravel the trauma I have endured, my parents don’t believe me because he denies it. He has done it to multiple people. It was uncomfortable and I also tolerated it, because I was blackmailed and confused with what was happening. I knew what was happening was wrong, I just didn’t understand. Anyways, a lot of the stuff you guys said really validates feelings I have myself that not many people can understand fortunately. I’m sorry for everyone who does understand.
I am so, so sorry that you were also abused and that your abuser has also done a lot of lying and continuing to abuse. We simply must believe victims, because they are usually always telling the truth and have no reason to lie. Sending lots of love to you!
I’m almost 80, I was abused by my step father when I was 9 months to 9 years old. I didn’t understand what it was. I was just confused because he always treated me badly because I was my mom’s little bastard. So why then did he want to ‘love on me’? It was scary and creepy, I had two little sisters and I hoped he wasn’t he wasn’t like that with them. He told me to never tell anyone because they wouldn’t believe it and they would believe him over me. I never told anyone until I was 16 when I told my mom. Her immediate response was strange to me. She said I could never tell anyone else, it was family business only. She told me to dress in baggy clothes when he was around so he wouldn’t be tempted by me! Like it was my fault for tempting him! That hurt, no comfort or promise from her to protect me or make it stop She was afraid because he had already raped our babysitter and they moved away rather than him going to jail. If he went to jail we’d lose everything because we needed his checks. She continued to have sex with him and nothing changed. I literally wanted to die. Mom wouldn’t do anything to protect me and it always happed when she was gone so there was no proof, and she believed him saying I lied. She chastised me several times for lying, when I hadn’t. All from his abuse. Where could I go to be safe? I have 3 children and was an extremely overprotective mother. I didn’t want my children to be molested. Especially after my divorce. My husband left me because I wasn’t sexually interested in different sex - she was. For 20 years I did not date anyone. I didn’t want to take a chance my kids would have a step father who might molest them. Once they were out of the house and had lives of their own I dated and had several relationships, but none of them seemed safe, so I quit dating and here I am. Single, wishing I had someone to grow old with. But trusting that no man was safe.
I HEAR YOU SWEETHEART , ME TOO HONEY 😢😢 NOBODY EVER BELIEVED ME EITHER , I TRUST AND LOVE ANIMALS MORE THAN ANY HUMANS , AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WILL BE TILL I DIE TOO PEACE AND HUGS 🎉❤GOD BLESS YOU TOO 🎉😢❤
This was very tough to listen to and so much harder to tell, I am sure. It takes tremendous strength to open yourself and your deepest wounds to the public. I applaud both of you for your courage and resilience, only when we talk about these issues, anything will change and improve
Thank you for speaking out to protect others. At 56min I think you hit a nail on the head, people are emotionally invested in their opinions of others. So cognitive dissonance makes them look for any other explanation. Partly I think this is about not believing that nice person could be bad; but also I think subconsciously there is a fear about finding out our abilities to assess people can be so wrong. I have seen it when trying to train church volunteers on safeguarding and in small communities some still struggled with old ideas that they would 'know' if someone was a bit dodgy. 'growing up we all knew who to avoid'. Thinking we can know makes people feel safe, often isolating the neurodivergent or apparently eccentric neighbour down the street whilst not alert to real red flags.
Absolutely, and thank you so much for saying that. It is very true that we often don't want to see when our radar was off, or when we were straight up deceived. It's such a disconcerting realization. And you're right: you can't always judge a book by its cover.
I can't imagine what that upbringing and subsequent battle must've been like. I am going to leave one of my own favorite quotes: " All it takes for evil to reign is for good people to do nothing. " Whether you can fully understand your impact, your voice matters.
I’m so so sorry for both of you. You are amazing, beautiful people and you never, ever deserved any of this. People who abuse children do not deserve life or freedom. There is no forgiveness in my heart for them. Thank you both for sharing your stories. Shelise, you are so brave for sharing your truth on your channel.
Eff that NDA. Silence is violence. Report as soon as you can. Chelsea. You are such a strong wonderful lady. Please keep up the good fight. If anyone reading this is being abused, tell someone outside of your bubble. A teacher. A friend that will go with you. Anybody. I know it's scary. But trust that there's someone that can and will help you. You don't know me. But I know you. 💛 Keep going you fighter.
Thank you to both of you for your willingness to share your experiences! Chelsea, you and your mom are not alone in not being treated well by the church leadership. I too was lied to, gaslighted and mistreated by my former stake president, who happens to be married to the current First Counselor of the Primary General Presidency of the church. It was a bit eerie to hear your description of how your stake president asked you questions about your father's abuse. In my case, the stake president was cold and insensitive when he interrogated me on how many times and where my therapist (who was a church leader at the time) had touched me. I asked for my abusive therapist to have a disciplinary council, but that never happened, or at least they never told me if it did. After about six grueling months on being on their case, they finally released by abuser from his stake presidency calling. During one of our conversations with my leaders, they told me they couldn't speak to me because church legal told them not to. After almost a year of going back and forth and me demanding to speak with my therapist's stake president, they told me it was entirely up to him and that they couldn't do anything about it. My bishop said an annotation had been placed on my therapist's church record and that he wouldn't be allowed to have a calling involving children or women. On the civil side of things, I was utterly disgusted when a Utah Division of Professional Licensing investigator asked me if my therapist had an erection when he inappropriately touched me during therapy. How was I supposed to know or notice that?! And that was beside the point if inappropriate touch occurred. Also, to your point about John's attorney, I had a horrible experience when I was deposed by the Utah Attorney General office to the point of feeling suicidal afterwards. I was naive to think that attorneys followed sound ethical rules, but as you said, they try to trick you. Or, as I believe in my case, they go well beyond that using cruelty and questionable tactics to break you.
I am so sorry for what you went through with ALL of that. So you understand firsthand the revictimization that can happen to victims, both in the church, the professional world, and the legal system. I see you and send my love and support.
WOW. This is so important to get out. So many kids are out there probalby experiencing this all the time. Your courage , incredible witnessing of what happened to you , and your desire to help innocent children out there that are abused and confused --- you are really a wonderful person for doing this. Also, I will pray for you that you reach full healing and continue to grow and blossom in your own life! Thanks again for being a defender and voice for the voiceless.
My sisters grandson is acting out horribly. I know he has been molested. I mentioned this to my sister and it was like talking to a wall. She, her husband and her children and grandchildren are all Mormons. They don’t dare speak out. Makes my blood boil!
I was a bit backed up on watching all the recent videos, so I only just watched this one today. I was so heartbroken by both your stories, and yet so inspired by your bravery and resilience. You are both a force to reckon with, and hopefully you will be able to help make the changes necessary to protect children within the Mormon church, and perhaps other such religious groups.
Thank you for speaking up. I think we should start raising our children, empowering them, to resist and speak up. Is that abusive? We must protect their inmocence, but still raise children to speak up.
It is absolutely imperative that we empower our children to speak up for themselves. There’s nothing abusive about that, quite the opposite actually. We can do this on a developmentally appropriate timeline, starting simply by encouraging an instinct to recognize when something is happening that they don’t like, and stand up for themselves, get away, and/or tell an adult that they trust. Just speaking for myself, i have a five year old and they are the most sweet innocent creature I’ve ever met, but they also know how to be fierce and how to say NO - and they expect that NO to be respected, period. At the moment, that’s mostly been taking the form of interactions they have with other kids. They even know how to tell me when I’m being disrespectful - for example if I get stressed about getting out the door on time and start rushing them in a grumpy way. I am incredible proud to see them develop these skills, and I tell them so.
Thank you so much for sharing such a difficult thing and for not being afraid to be “crazy” about speaking truth to power. You are making the world a better place, as hard as it is to do.
Fellow ex mormon here, what she said at the 51:39 mark about the helpline saying about her no longer being a minor so there was no need to file a report sounds eerily similar to what the prosecutor said when they dropped against my abuser. Although i was still a minor we'd moved out of state so they said "He doesn't live in Michigan anymore, so we feel it would be a waste of time and money to pursue this case"
I was absolutely abused in Arkansas. I was an iblp child. My dad was military, and he has since passed, so i dont know if we were military relocated or my dad chose a transfer. I just know that after we left Little Rock we no longer attended a Baptist church my mom converted to Methodists and my dad stopped going so i am sure he knew because i remember him hitting a teenagers dad. I do remember this boy showing me a play boy when i was like 4. They were babysitting, and I am sure i was only safe because my brother was there. I also remember 1 other man making me feel very uncomfortable. I really wish our cult had more than Duggar gossip channels. Im thankful i only remember fear, not the actions and the protection from my dad. I am so thankful that's not a memory I have that is negative of him. I always felt safe with him.
Former Arkansan here, my ex-husband was raised iblp, I had no idea what their deal was until I watched shiny happy people just this year. Sorry you had to grow up that way.
Thanks so much, Chelsea and Shelise❣️You are both so brave for sharing your experiences with us!!! Helping the rest of us SA survivors feel more confident and emboldened to confront our trauma and seek out the help we need💯👍🏼We are not alone!!!
My heart goes out to both of you & all the other children who were robbed of their innocence with such cruelty. This was very triggering as I experienced something similar from my dad at one point (that I can remember). It’s difficult to hear stories like these but I think it’s important to give survivors of SA a voice.
Chelsea, the pain you went through is devastating and heartbreaking. I'm too a victim of CSA and the pain management the we have to go through to heal is at times almost insurmountable. Thank you for your strength in sharing your story
Powerful testimony and action. Incredibly brave of all of you. Yes, I would love to have an opportunity to give both of you and your mothers the Women and Mom’s of Familial DV Courage Cubs and Mama Bear Bravery Awards! Standing up to the abuser in the church and the legal system under such malignant, threat and enduring the exposure and shame that inevitably walks alongside yet shouldn’t be allowed in the presence of such amazing women is heroic. I applaud and salute and admire all of you. Thank you so much for sharing. Truly. I needed to hear this today. ❤❤❤❤
You two women are both such beautiful souls. Thank you for sharing this inspiring conversation. You have helped me to feel stronger as I face my own challenges. Hugs to you both. 💜
My heart goes out to both of you beautiful young ladies. I will never understand why it is always the womans fault, per the church. This is sick! I commend you both for coming forward and shedding light on such despicable behavior!!! God speed to both of you.
When I was a child i became involved in an offshoot of the Baptist Church here in Sydney, Australia through a youth group I attended. It eventually turned into a small cult which i ended up leaving by the time i was 12 because i felt uncomfortable around some of the leaders. Years pass until i found out there was a lot of allegations of CSA by the Pastor & his wife. I thank God that i left when I did. I’m so sorry you both went through what you did & hope you eventually find peace. Keep up the work you’re doing.
I want to add my appreciation for the manner in which Chelsea and you approached, explained and discussed these experiences. I am a man who grew up in a household with two older sisters and a very strong fundamental church background (but not LDS). We (my sisters and I) were blessed in that we were never exposed to anything like this and I am especially thankful my father not only talked to me about respecting women as myself, but how it was about respecting the special bond GOD created men and women to share as married couples. Some young men I knew received talks about "sex", my father talked to me about "marriage". It's no wonder it was never confusing why "sex" was never "dirty" or "improper". As I grew older I thought it was this way in every Christian home. Of course today I hurt for those who suffered the results of not having had what I now know to treasure (and by the way both of my sisters happily report nothing improper was ever shown them by our father. They too were taught to keep the sanctity of their marriages which they were blessed to live and both are widowed today. I'm saying this not to brag, but again to thank you for sharing your insights and experiences to help people like me who are ignorant and often don't know what to say (if anything) that could be supportive. Oddly, though, my wife was raised by a single-mom who was not a Christian. She had several "dad's" who abused her from the time she was around 5 to a young teen when she finally ran away. A minister and his wife took her in, loved her as she deserved, helped her finish school and then "dumped" her on the campus of a Christian University where I had enrolled after finishing my tour of duty in the USMC in Viet Nam. She had problems "enjoying" sex the same way I did obviously, but she always tried to make me happy when I was aroused ( I don't want to lower the experience to "having a boner"). What was funny later was when she realized I was focused on her being happy in a situation I knew was difficult, she was focused on making me happy. I only hope I was able to provide her anything close to what she has given me for over 40 years now. I am 11 years older than she is, "sex" today has more "hugging" and "touching" and I'm thankful I don't have the strong frustrating physical feelings. We have a son and a daughter, both grown today. I never had any thought of touching my daughter and truly fear for heart and soul of any man who would allow their thoughts to go there. I did take my Dad's lead and taught my son to love his wife (married now over 15 years) to the best advice and example I could over the time GOD placed him under my control to raise from a child to a man. Anyway didn't mean to get so long winded, but thank you and I hope you both have lives full of joy and hearts filled with the love of a man who wants nothing more than to share your happiness and journey together forever.
Thank you for sharing your story with us. I also deal with somatic PTSD sleeping on my side because of something that happened to me. I’m so sorry you both had to go through this experience. I hope you both can heal fully and not always have triggers. Thank you again for being vulnerable with the public. ❤
Wild that the Mormon church allows adults (i.e. bishops) to be alone with minors when that's strictly forbidden by basically all other organizations. I work in sports and, like every Olympic sport in the US, we're overseen by an organization called SafeSport. Among other things, SafeSport has a strict polict that two adults have to be present in a room with minors. The Boy Scouts have a similar rule. Pretty sure teachers aren't allowed to be alone one-on-one either.
Those groups have taken on these precautions, in UK we use the term safeguarding - policies to avoid potential for abuse and clear rule on when a disclosure of potential abuse is made (short answer report and refer - the authorities are the ones to evaluate matters not us). They didn't always exist, but frankly we are in 2023 not 1923 and these things can be discussed so organisations can't plead naivety any more.
It’s really sad how common child sexual abuse happens. It happens to the rich/poor, old/ young, fat and thin, and happens in every race. When I was 8 I was molested by my step dad. My mom didn’t take my side she took his, and screamed at me, and told me to stop lying. I hear the age 8 a lot when referring to child sexual abuse, I wonder why that is?! People who this has never happened to really don’t understand what it feels like like emotionally. The physical pain goes away put the emotional and mental pain last a lifetime. Great video. Even know it’s hard to listen to its important for people to hear and to know that they are not alone. Keep being the awareness you’re doing great. You are a good interviewer and so compassionate. I love watching all of your videos and reels.
This seems such an obvious result of putting boys/men on pedestal, and making women subservient. My heart breaks for what girls and women are put through. 💔
I listened to part one with John and Margi Dehlin on Mormon stories. I am so happy that you have had this conversation with Chelsea to share it with us.
Thank you for your support for Chelsea! The original AP article and Podcast done by Reveal News are linked below.
apnews.com/article/mormon-church-investigation-child-sex-abuse-9c301f750725c0f06344f948690caf16
revealnews.org/podcast/hidden-confessions-of-the-mormon-church/
It takes an incredible amount of strength and commitment to shine light on the abuses these (primarily) men perpetuate and allow. Thank you Chelsea and Shelise, for your powerful vulnerability, and speaking out for so many who can not.
Thank you both for taking your abuse out of the darkness and out from under silencing in order to take a stab at the roots of it. My abuse is different and the structural harms that helped hide it are also different. But CPTSD is the same. I have so many treatment plans going on constantly to aid and teach my central nervous system that sleep is safe. Our bodies do have somatic, IE: wordless flashbacks, and education even on this one point could be life changing for fellow survivors. I wish I had known this while still young. My abuse was through public school and my mother having munchausen's and making me proxy. It's amazing how much I get out of watching cult survivors speak. What I do see or all of us is how legitimized the abuse is because there is involvement from a powerful societal structure. A child has no way of tackling something so big. I tried to get help and CPS could not read my abuse pattern and left me there. The school was complicit and not only helped my abuser keep me in place, but also replicated the harms, so that I rarely had a moment of relative peace. I'm so glad the churches are being blown open with powerful spotlights. It will expose abusers and healing/safety can break into that scary, hidden nightmare for children. I respect you both so much.
Are you aware of the FBI cult awareness manual PDF?
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sorry to burst the antichrist bubble, luv u all. but i gotta tell the truth anyways. why you think they killed the bible apostles and Jesus also:(
Antichrist Churches; Align to the Word of the LORD!
One thing I've learned is that Antichrist churches hate when you say John 3:5 is water baptism in Jessus name, though John Baptist for ran this message before the church began. they will go so far as to lie and say this refers to a natural birth, hahahha lol. which makes no sense because they are clearly already born here and breathing on this earth lol. Jesus said anyways regardless of their false doctrine rebel always that we must be born again, meaning a second time, nice try false doctrine advocates. John Baptist whole ministry was preparing people for repentance and water baptism hence the name John the Baptist. What a ludicrous claim. John did day they were not all from us.
1 John 2:18
“Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.”
1 John 2:19
“They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.”
Why do antichrists churches fight Jesus name baptism so hard when it's clearly a New Testament practice.
Acts 19:5
“When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.”
Acts 8:16
“(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)”
Acts 2:38
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
Because of their rebellion towards the word of the Lord by default they have also those ancient demons in them I believer or upon them; they cannot be baptized in Jesus name; their devils are too strong over them, not really but it's just that they choose.
Oh they put on a good show as far as singing worship and praise and talking around the Word of God, but that's about it, an anointed knowledgeable person of God can see right thru these fakes, false apostles.
2 Corinthians 11:13
“For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.”
2 Corinthians 11:14
“And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.”
2 Corinthians 11:15
“Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.”
They're not serious about obeying the Word of the Lord. Believers be sure to obey the Word of the Lord. don't thing your smarter than Jesus, just follow the Word and the Apostles examples, it will keep you from the Antichrists hell they are walking to, so so ignorantly.
Acts 2:38
“Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.”
When these false teachers get to hell they never coming out. Peter's and Phillip's and Paul's examples of water baptism in Jesus name just aitnt good enough for them I guess? Wow. insane. Antichrists these days if they were still here would surely fight the original Apostles also. No marvel.... Paul said.
Simply last admonition, after the fourth reject as heretics Paul wrote.
Follow the Bible Apostles to heaven, follow the patterns the Lord Jesus and the Bible Apostles set forth. Amen. Obey the Word of the Lord.
1 Corinthians 3:11
“For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.”
As an exmo and dentist myself, I’m just blown away by the details of this poor woman’s experience and the fact that her father continues to practice!! He should be in prison, not treating patients or being around his kids/grandkids. Thank you for having the courage to raise awareness.
Exactly!!!
Bless your heart.
Once a Pervert,Always a Pervert! You can not fix them.
the state didn't pull his license? wow this needs a higher court, you can always ask one of us older gals for justice
@@hejnyeI'll help
The bishop hearing the father's confessions should have immediately called the police. I hate this 😡😢
they are ALL of satan - with their nice defenses up as "loving" caring folk!
Religion is unnecessary and evil. Believing iron age literature has any real modern day meaning is just silly.
They’re more concerned about appearances than the safety of children. How can they be trusted?
They don’t and won’t. Even police coverup.
Yup!! Reality finally came clear for me that there is no safe place or person. We must be our own protectors.@@RaptureReadyforJesus-qv2ql
One of the hardest things about listening to these horrific experiences is when the mom is complicit in the abuse. I’m so glad this mom stood up for her children!! Can’t wait for part two.
It’s available! 😁
@TobiPhreemen do these things because they are allowed to. It's got nothing to do with supernatural entities.
@TobiPhreethese people have given themselves over to Satan. They do it on purpose. They are totally possessed by demons.
@@BognaZonesome men are indeed evil. But there are supernatural entities who use those evil natures to harm others. And they love that you don’t acknowledge their existence.
I’m sure that they survived the abuse by having strong mothers. As they are victims themselves, and didn’t sway one bit to do the right thing. Just look how strong both these young ladies are today. ❤️
The stake president was probably doing the same thing. I believe anybody who condones sexual abuse is capable of it themselves.
This was my initial thought, too. He does it, too...or he already knew.
Absulutly true...
It is all one big cover up in cults.
My gut instinct say the same. This man is an abuser as well. Believe it or not, the church across the board is rampant into pornography, (which I was told by a Christian counselor when trying to save my marriage over pornographic addiction by my husband) is that… when I asked counselor how bad can this get… he said it usually ends in pedophilia ! That really helped me to decide against reconciliation after 1 1/2 years of counseling and trying to deal with the devastation , betrayal and do many other issues that this brought up. I too had been sexually assaulted as a child and I really trusted my husband. Boy was I duped! He went to great lengths to his it and still continue in his secret son. But, as I said… when I found that it most definitely has the likely hood of ending in pedophilia… I was done with him !
That was my exact thought
LDS / Mormon viewers are likely to see this as an isolated problem. It's not. It's systemic. The systemic fix? Mandatory reporting to legal authorities rather than this organization's lawyers. Background checks for those working with minors. 2 deep leadership always. Policies and training in place for vulnerable moments (potty time, campouts, etc...) No more creepy worthiness interviews for youth. I know, this organization resists all these things, but... this is the fix.
In many religions amongst clergy. All the way to the top.
Agree 100 percent!
THIS! 🙌
What is amazing US military bases REQUIRE BACKGROUND CHECKS on ALL who come in contact or work with children!!!!
The Mormon church is the only church who does these creepy worthiness interviews.
I get it that other churches have problems, but they don't regularly take a child one-on-one with a man, behind closed doors, who asks them explicit s* x questions with shaming and control.
That is a Mormon problem.
I am a man who experienced violent childhood physical abuse for decades. My father sounds very much like John and I can appreciate the deceit and manipulation perpetrated on those who knew our family and how difficult it was for any of us to communicate and be believed by all those people who he was able to deceive. I knew Chelsea and her family when she was a college student. Chelsea was one of the nicest people that I knew during that time. Her mom was and I am sure still is a model mother. I didn't know her father John very well, but John sounds so much like mine own father and I can really understand the frustration, fear, and despair. I feel so bad for you Chelsea and Loraine but I am also so proud of you, stay strong.
Dr. Brooks, I had no idea that you went through all of that in your life. Thank you so much for sharing that, and for the help and kindness you always showed me during the season that our paths crossed. Sending love. I hope you and your family are well!
Hi Chelsea I've just finished listening to your story and wow , I have so much admiration for you after hearing your story . So thankyou so much for having the courage to be so open honest and brave I don't think I'd be able to do that , you are an amazing person . Doing the video is going to affect many girls and guys on many levels I'm sure and also help in your healing process.@@chelseagoodrich6383
Thank you for being so open
This happens to young men and girls more than anyone knows
@@Sloan341Yes child sexual abuse is widespread. It happens everywhere. As well as emotional and physical abuse...
The mother in this story was at least open to truth. Im so glad she supported her daughter.
No doubt! So often we hear these stories and the mother does NOTHING. Her mother cannot be praised enough for being brave in doing what she knew was right.
One of my coworkers is LDS and her youth pastor husband is currently being sued and investigated for multiple cases of CSA. Two victims allege she walked in on the acts and did nothing. Sickening.
She is just as guilty then, @@thistles
@@janai5074not “just as”, but yes, she’s complicit. The one doing the act is responsible for himself. Not doing something is a different kind of evil than actually r@ping a child.
Alot of these women, wives are in denial and some are abused wives who are terrified of their husband and the church.
Just for the record, your Mom may have been "just a stay at home Mom", but she did what she had to to protect you as soon as you told. As a mother, your mother has a grace I doubt I possess. God bless you all, it has to get better.
A horrible story, but a strong woman willing to stand up to her abuser. Thanks. Chelsea and Shelise.
Thank you so much, Michael!
As a CSA survivor my heart weeps for everyone that has been a victim. This story breaks my heart. As a former Mormon, it validates my reasons for leaving and my disdain and loathing for the church itself.
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You should loathe that demonic religion!
Unfortunately SA is not limited to LDS.
Most people leave the church bc they don’t have enough faith and love to play victims.
Same here, cover it up and make the victims shut up by threatening them with disfellowship
Two brave women, supporting each other through the worst, and helping others to break the cycle. ❤
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Playing Contra.
Very well said. Incredibly strong young ladies. Fortunately they had strong Mothers, that were victims themselves. ❤️❤️❤️
Sending these women much RESPECT and empathy.
First of all, there should NEVER be an NDA offered to cover up a case like this. The members of the church need to be super concerned about the fact it was offered by the church. It makes me sick.
@deninejackson2316 Absolutely. Thankfully, an NDA is considered unenforceable under specific conditions: victims/witnesses cannot be compelled to keep criminality secret through the use of non-disclosure agreements. The courts will throw out such NDAs.
No one had to sign a thing how much money did they get
@@ihaveseensuchthingsduh they cant force you to lie ether or break the law so they can write one its t.p. and should be flushed ..know your rights and laws
Because it is sick
This is a cancer that has no boundaries. We had a relative who was never named it was never mentioned. That still happens teach your children to be vocal teach them about their bodies.
I love that last comment that Chelsea made saying that "Don't be afraid to be crazy when it comes to honesty, telling the truth especially for the sake of protecting innocent children".
Thank you, Dear Sisters! I remember a great aunt, telling me about her sexual abuse at summer camp with the RLDS in the 1930’s! This helped me as a therapist and as a survivor of sexual abuse !
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Wow. I respect your courage and determination to protect other children and hold your dad accountable. This episode reminded me of the gaslighting adults did to me as a kid when I tried to talk about things that happened to me. They are vague memories now but that sense of something happened and no one would listen. I feel grateful for this channel and the work you are doing and the work your guests are doing.❤
Thank you so much. Sending love!❤️
I think the days of 'flying under the radar' are coming to an end for the LDS. Respect to your guest and thanks for your consistently excellent content.
It's getting closer and closer to the lid blowing off like it did on the Catholic church a few decades ago.
I hope they are held accountable!!! I have a friend who was raped by her father repeatedly Her mother knew but pretended not to know. He was a temple holder.
It will always be hidden because we live in a wicked world. That church has enough money…..hush money.
@@RaptureReadyforJesus-qv2ql The world is not wicked, but most cults believe that it is.
The systemic use of power to abuse and keep abuse unspoken is appalling. I understand as 'true believers' that they feel the meeting with the bishop or stake president 'absolves' them of this sin but I was always taught there was a step of restitution that needed to be made in order for the full effect of the atonement to wash my sins away. Absolutely no restitution was attempted by the father, nor required by his clergy/friends. Is this a doctrine they believe or not? These leaders are untrained, being uncomfortable in dealing with the reality of treatment needed for pedophiles and ignoring this is a detriment to everyone. We haven't even begun to speak of the lack of support for those affected. In a church that espouses supporting the 'widows and the fatherless' (100% these children were fatherless figuratively) they did nothing. The worst of it is that they intentionally harmed the weakest. Absolute power corrupting absolutely.
So true and very well said.
@@chelseagoodrich6383thank you for sharing you story. My sincere hope for you to find some resolution and peace
@@flom4289 Thank you so much! Sending love and gratitude to you.
This is devastatingly sad. I know religion doesn't make people gross people like this, but it definitely helps them get away with it for so long.
That is just one of the reasons why all religious organizations should either be heavily supervised from outside, or downright forbidden. Want to believe and worship? Great do it solo at home!
Yes. Religion, especially those with intense purity culture, appears to amplify the problem that may already exist in someone. Then it protects them under the “forgiveness” policies.
The thing is, the bi bul is riddled with rape, incest, sex trafficking by the so called chosen Ppl and the bi bul god winks so , it's no wonder this is rampant in the Abrahamic religions.. Completely a program of the game we are in right Now 😢
Given the fact that currently, through politics, religion is dead set on abusing the entire country, religion needs to disappear permanently.
Religion was created to control people. Control creates abuse. Until we get rid of Religion, we will never EVOLVE, we will be regressed, selfish, cruel, violent... It has nothing to do with God. Religion keeps humanity in darkness.
So heartbreaking that so many victims are victimized even more by the churches.
....and the system!
I'm so sorry Chelsea and Shelise for what you had to go through. Listening to this made me cry. I have a lot of suppressed memories and I can maybe remember 10% of my own CSA. I feel like my brain is trying to protect me because of how bad it really was. I get a little fragment of memory back every now and then and certain places, words and movements send me into a panic - my brain won't tell me why but I know it's some past trauma. I think it's for the best that I don't know and thankfully my abuser is dead now. Thank you so much for sharing your story, it helped me a lot to understand my own past and why I act the way I do sometimes a little bit better. I can especially relate to Chelsea about losing my first love because I just couldn't be physically intimate not even a hug, I had debilitating migraines, panic attacks, uncontrollable shaking and crying. Thank you again for being so brave and sharing your story.
Thank you for sharing that. I’m so sorry you went and are still going through there. I hope you are finding healing in the way that’s best for you❤️
Thank you so much for sharing this. I am incredibly sorry for what you've been through, and that you've suffered similar pain and loss. I'm grateful though that we can at least see and understand each other as fellow survivors. Sending so much love and support to you!
This church has been involved with this harm to so many, including me, and it's almost the same pattern every time. These master manipulators get protected. Children are left more confused than ever.
Please know that the church has NOT made changes with bishop's interviews with kids. They pulled the wool over everyone's eyes and created the illusion of change after we spent and entire summer 2018 with Sam Young, marching to church HQ, calling to each apostle for one of them to meet with Sam to talk about the problem of the one on one interviews.
We gave each apostle a book of all of our stories and how they had been involved. Ask we got was Sam was excommunicated, and they told the news the would 'allow a parent in' to the interviews if they wanted.'
The 'change ' they made was an illusion.
They don't ask parents to come.
They don't encourage it.
It's business as usual.
And these are our kids, at the least being groomed.
We were ALWAYS ALLOWED to go in that office.
Sam was asking them to
*stop the explicit s* x questions.
*Stop taking children one on one alone behind closed doors with a man.
Neither of those has stopped.
Please interview Sam Young!
Wow, that is very interesting and sad. Thank you for sharing. Also, I am deeply sorry for the abuse that you've experienced as well.
My mom was a camp director for girl's camp for a couple of years. The last year, at one point two sisters confessed to her that their stepfather and stepbrother were assaulting them. My mom went to the bishop, and he blew her off. This really upset her, so she went to the stake president. The stake president told her she needed to mind her business and stay out of it and that it was best for the family unit to stay intact. WTF? She was so angry. She went home and called law enforcement and then we left the church. I'm so sorry this was something you all had to go through.
Speaking up about abuse is so brave and difficult sending hugs and hope everyone is able to heal and find peace it’s a difficult process
I'm so sorry you both had to go through those horrors. Parents are supposed to protect their children not harm them. My heart goes out to all SA victims
Thank you for your support hun.I myself never got any from my family. They decided I should get over it!!considering someone in the family was the purp. Needless to say, I have disowned them al.l
Thank you
@@deborahstone9696 same.
This isn’t just about religion, this is about certain men in society. Thousands of men travel to places such as Thailand every year, to SA minors, so it’s about men believing they can pretty much get away with anything. It’s a strange world we live in at times
exactly men and especially men with power. But this channel loves to attack the mormon faith
@@benzun9600 I would suggest the Mormon belief system ( along with many other beliefs), has much to answer for. Or are you suggesting people are lying about their own experiences?
@@mommum. where you find poverty, you can often find child exploitation. Putting make up on a 10, 11 or 12 year old, does not an adult make
Religion does come into play here, but it's not specific to Mormonism. It's the fact that people who hold positions of power within an organization are regularly protected even though they sometimes have dozens of reports of abuse against them. One of the biggest scandals to date was within the Catholic Church. My family is LDS and there are plenty of abuse stories that we no longer bother talking about because no one listens.
@@benzun9600the Mormon faith attracts @busers. This isn’t unique to the LDS church, but it has a power structure that allows men to establish themselves in positions of trust and have access to and power over victims.
Chelsea, I can't help cry and feel anger for how you were treated. I was sexually abused as a child, too. I believe you and I hear you. I honor you for your courage. I speak out as well to keep childrend safe. I don't care what church leaders think about me being out spoken. Children are precious and need to be protected from sick individuals who seek out children to gratify their sick appetite. I can say that the word that comes up for me is a narcissistic sociopath that uses others for their amusement. I don't trust church leaders, and I struggle to really trust anyone, except my dear wife, who knows my story and has been very supportive. Hundreds of hours to trauma therapy, attendance of inpatient and outpatient programs, recovery meetings, and service to others who are going through the process of getting out of denial. I admire your healing journeyand authenticity about your experiences. Thank you for sharing it helps me with my own experiences.
Wow, that is incredible and thank you so much for sharing a little of your story with me. I am deeply sorry for what you've also been through. I'm extremely inspired though by what you've done in response to that to heal and try to help others. We need more men like you who are examples of dealing with their own sexual abuse in the way that you have. I am so grateful that you've had the strong support of your amazing wife. May we continue to fight for our own healing and for the healing of others!
These days we should not trust anyone!!!!
This makes me so angry. I never confronted this person, who is dead now, nor did I tell anyone. I didn't really remember it happened til I was like 30yrs older. Church elders,etc.. should be legally made to report. And the family needs to go straight to law enforcement, if only that it's on some kind of record. I feel for you both. You never know when something might trigger you or memories come to light. A "sisterhood" no one wants to belong to.
That last line ❤️ thanks for sharing.
Happens more than you think.Not just among Mormons. Hiding behind religion.Pedos are everywhere! Watch your children around everybody!
I’m so sorry you also have to go through this pain. I wish you all the love and healing in the world
That seems to be a common thing where the perpetrator dies and nothing happens. Sorry you had to go through that.
You had no recollection of it as a child, youth, young adult??? How crazy. I’m absolutely sick about this.
As a preface, I’m a SA survivor. I was a few weeks away from turning 16 in 1987. It was at his prom. He put Everclear in my punch without my knowledge. I’ve done a lot of work to be who I am.
Stories like this never fail to rip at my heart. I feel both angry and sad for the survivors. Both of you are fighting the good fight to help others speak up. We need more advocates and more people believing the survivors instead of perpetrators.
Love to both of you from NJ
My whole childhood in the Mormon cult. Except it was a different family member. Interesting how these people hold callings. I am the only person in my very family that isn’t active. I haven’t been since my 20’s. I’m 50 now.
I feel like these churches are such a dangerous place to grow up in.
The people of the church are not the equivalent of following the gospel of Jesus Christ.
I'm your age, I've had horrendous experiences with the hierarchy of the church.
I learned to separate the 2. I'd never turn away from the Savior because of the evils of deplorable humans hiding behind His words
They are very dangerous cults. Nothing Biblical about them
Churches have been and will always be the main way that the elites control and divide the masses. Hollywood is another area where this behavior is present with control over children. But no one wants to talk about how weird it is that all these organizations that rake in all this income are infatuated with children.
Break the silence. Break the cycle.
You guys are so brave and thanks so much for sharing. I was also abused like this by my dad and it's so isolating because it's hard to find anyone else who really understands. Feeling that connection vicariously through you two was both difficult and cathartic. I've barely been able to talk about this with therapists, let alone publically, and I really can't imagine having my story plastered over the news suddenly. I definitely wish Chelsea well. Thank you both for having the strength that I don't have yet.
Also idk if you'll see this, but you're incredible, Shelise. I tend to freeze up and feel very exposed whenever anyone talks about a CSA case irl. I don't know how you manage to stay present and grounded during these discussions as a survivor yourself. I hope you are doing well and taking care of yourself during this horrific marathon of CSA stories coming out of the Mormon church recently.
I’m so sorry to hear you also had to experience this. My heart goes out to you and I have certainly felt the same way, trying to explain my specific circumstances or feeling like no one really “gets it”. It’s been so nice speaking to Chelsea.
I appreciate your concerns for me❤️ Sometimes I feel like I disappear and someone else stronger and unbiased steps in, like I’m channeling an actual therapist lol. Other times, I’m deeply affected and have a good cry immediately after getting off the call.
Thankfully my husband is very supportive and does what he can to help bring me back to a regulated state, including sending me to get a massage. I have found body work deeply helps me to release the trauma I soak up from others.
Thank you for watching and supporting. You’re not alone ❤️
@@CultstoConsciousness Wow thanks so much for your response! Quick question: do you go to a trauma informed massage therapist or something? I’m so sensitive and easily overwhelmed by touch.
So glad that you have Jonathan for support!
This happened to my daughter, the church did nothing. My bishop just told her abuser to not take the sacrament for a few weeks but he didn’t want him to go very long without taking it. And yes, he did fully confess what he had done. Our bishop never reached out to my daughter or any of us during this time. We were still actively going to church regularly.
I went through law enforcement to get this handled. Seeing how this was handled for us helped open my eyes to how much the church really does cover up abuse and how the victims are treated with complete disregard.
I have a good friend with a very similar story as yours that was not taken seriously or believed by the church. Her father was also thought of as a pilar of his church’s community.
Thank you for bravely sharing your stories.
I’m so sorry to hear that and sadly not surprised. Thank you for sharing.
I am heartbroken to hear that this also happened to your daughter, and to your friend. Sending my love and support out to them!
I believe everything you said.
So sorry. 💔
Very disturbing
Shelise, admittedly, after watching so many episodes, I can't remember everything or everyone you've mentioned. As I'm watching this episode though, I'm thinking about how well we've gotten to know your amazing mom, but I hardly remember anything said about your father previously. Now, it's very clear why. What's happened to both of you ladies and all of the people who's stories have been told during this recent series of episodes is absolutely awful. You are all amazing for standing up, sharing, and bringing awareness to such a major, systemic issue.
Thank you, Derek ❤️ I figured this episode might connect the dots for some people who have been around a while. I appreciate your support!
You're both incredibly hurt and pained by all of this, and I'm so gutted and sorry for these marathons you've endured. We all see you and hear you and know that we know it's not, in any way, your fault and that your both incredibly strong and valuable and brave women. I wish you both nothing but the very, very best in life and a happiness that you never imagined possible. Nothing but love from me. ❤
Thank you, Lisa ❤️
I just cannot imagine how a mother could not sense/feel/intuit what was happening to her daughter over decades…
My grandmother suspected but I did not tell. I was afraid and thought it was my fault.
In my case, my dad operated very secretively and also told me not to tell my mom, saying that it would only hurt/upset her. I didn't understand the secrets I was keeping (being very sheltered and not sexually experienced even into adulthood), but I knew I didn't want to hurt my mom so I kept it completely confidential. She truly had no clue because it never crossed her mind that a parent would sexually abuse their own biological child. It just wasn't on her radar. In hindsight, she sees the signs that I was struggling, but at the time she chalked it up to me being a little different and sensitive. There is a huge overlap of symptoms in autism, ADHD, and trauma, and often even specialists can struggle to determine which of these diagnoses is accurate in a child manifesting these symptoms. Even though she didn't know, she has gone through hell trying to forgive herself for not recognizing/not knowing. The minute she knew, she did the right thing, even with major repercussions to her own life.
@@chelseagoodrich6383 I am so sorry that you and your mother have had to go through all this. Abusers often shame the victims into silence, but are charming and manipulative with everyone else. Thank you for sharing your story with the rest of us. You are incredibly brave.
@@Untamedshrew83 Thank you so much! Sending love and gratitude to you! ❤️
The fact that she believed her daughter and confronted her husband makes me believe she had no idea before that .
So awful! So sorry to hear the abuse that was perpetrated on you Chelsea. I do admire your courage and hope your recovery becomes as complete as possible. Bless you. ❤
You two amazing, “crazy” women are helping to blow the lid off of a dangerous secrecy. So many people who will never even know your names will have their lives changed for the better by your willingness to bring your stories out into the sunlight. Vulnerable yet SO POWERFUL. Sending so much love and healing to Chelsea, Shelise, and everyone else who has been harmed by the keeping of the secrets ♥️
Thank you so much! It's sad that being sane and doing the right thing have become "crazy" these days, but that's what it feels like.
Thanks for sharing this story. Church risk management needs to take a back seat to protecting victims!!
This story is shocking and your guest did an amazing job of presenting the horrendous details of how her struggle has played out. Thank you for helping and supporting her in what is obviously a painful journey toward her recovery while she reaches out to help other victims who are suffering. Also, I love how the name of your channel identifies the problem and the solution in only three words!
Thank you! 🥰
I agree both of these young ladies I pray shalom over your souls Amen 🙏🏼
I have no words... This is so heartbreaking and outrageous, and Chelsea is so incredibly brave for speaking out about it.
How awful…. How freaking awful. Telling these stories is power, you two are amazing.
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Shelise, thank you so much for these interviews you continue to do. Bringing these stories to light is the only way we can enact real change with how the church handles this stuff.
Thank you, Chelsea, for finding the courage and strength to publicly speak about your trauma. I hope you have found healing in your own life.
I look forward to watching the next part of this story.
So proud of you ladies ❤
Thank you Katie! ❤️
I am gobsmacked. By both of your stories. Chelsea, you are brave, remarkable, and NOT CRAZY! I have that same determination to speak truth to an occasional fault. Shelise, you are incredible. To a certain degree, I feel that this interview was for both of you to meet and share your common experiences. I almost feel like I'm in group therapy. Thank you for allowing me to attend. ❤
My childhood dentist. I currently live in Mountain Home…this just hits so close to home and I feel so sad for Chelsea. (My name is Chelsie too) she is so courageous and I am glad she is speaking out because the way the church handles this stuff is absolutely wrong and disgusting. I am so glad I woke up to the reality of this cult. I had no idea what I was getting myself into.
Hi Chelsie, thank you for your comment. I'm sorry for how this may have hit you because of your personal connection. Sending love to you and your family in Mtn. Home!
He was mine too
We love you Chelsea and we support you. 🕊️ @@chelseagoodrich6383
Thank goodness you are free! I hope you call on Jesus and become born again!
@@chelseagoodrich6383 Thank you for your story. If we abused children only knew how to deal with the abuse when we were younger, our lives could have been sooo much easier.
I am glad that kids are being taught what not to allow, sadly though everyday some kids are still SA’d.
For me it was my older brother….
Prayers of continued strength to you🙏🏼
❤ this woman is beyond strong she is amazing please like and share this story it needs to be heard thank you for sharing your story can't wait for part 2
I am a member of the church and went through a divorce. The mother of my x husband gossiped such lies, I was unable to go back to church. I should have moved out of the county to start my life over. That was wise wisdom given to you and your mom.
And you stayed in that cult?
@@julieellis6793 What would a fake Christian like yourself know?
Lying is a sin.
You are blessed not to go back.
@RaptureReadyforJesus-qv2ql She's lying, you're just a fake Christian.
I love that she says "it's okay to be crazy if you're protecting children". Yes!!!! This is very well put. Say it loud.
The rapport you and Chelsea are building is beautiful to watch. I’m sad that you both know the pain of CSA but are supporting each other so well. Hugs to you both ❤
Thank you 🥰
SA is systemic, it is everywhere. I was abused by my eller brottet for years. It started when I was 8 years old and only ende when I ran away from home as a 14 year old. I never got help . Now I am 66 years young and I have lived in three different countries. I have heard hundreds of these stories everywhere I went. I am Swedish and now live in my birth country again.
I’m sorry to hear that. It certainly does exist everywhere. Unfortunately these insulated communities with extreme purity culture rules have higher rates of abuse. At least that’s what I have discovered.
I am so sorry for what you went through.
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Two of the bravest women on Earth, one thing to live through these horrific abuses once-over but to be brave enough to relive over and over again, wow 😢😢😢❤❤❤
Omg this was so healing and therapeutic. I have always felt very alone in my abuse experience. It's wild that you both also had a similar childhood trauma. Seriously thank you both for sharing ❤ much love to you both!
You are not alone, we see you and stand with you. Sending so much love!
I'm so proud of you for coming forward with your story and staying the course when it got rough financially. It's difficult for victims to move forward when their perpetrators wield power over them with money. Praying you are healing mentally and emotionally from this trauma and have a spectacular future ahead full of love, peace and prosperity!
I am close sibling to a generational believer isolated in a rural community. 6 kids all home schooled the youngest currently By LDS churches online. our story not good - Yesterday we touched on this subject BUT the conversation stopped when - "The church has the worlds best lawyers and the leadership has procedures in place now so things like this don't happen any more" was said... I felt my response would have-ended or harmed the relationship.. BUT being silent verifies this distorted false thinking. Sure eating at me today. What the Holy F#@!K. how does a church hijack people steal there life sell them back a package that makes them targets for harm, abuse and own them for profit. I am the only one of 5 children that has a close relationship with her still.
Safe virtual hugs.
If they had less efficient lawyers they may have been forced to face up to the systemic enabling. We all like to think that we know how to be safe and to keep loved ones safe, even if that means creating mental lies. I know someone who thought that by allowing their 18 yr old to have the party at their house would be safer than drinking out in the pubs (UK drinking age is 18) or the risks of getting home safely - only to find out that a guest raped their daughter, whilst asleep - she woke up mid way. Believing your community - be it small town @we know everyone' or congregation 'people are godly' - to be safe is some sort of protection from the full realisation of the randomness of life, of who missed and who got on the train that crashed etc. Part of making life mentally manageable, but remains a delusion.
Your silence in that moment allows the relationship to continue and the potential for other opportunities to comment. Speakig may have removed those options without being effective in that moment. Don't let your choice eat at you, there is noperfect option, we do our best in the moment and hope for wisdom.
My Great Grandpa was a bishop in the 60s or 70s and a little girl who I do not know the name of tried to let people know and nothing happened. He did stuff to some people in our family and was an "upstanding" well liked member of the community. He is dead now but nothing ever happened about the sexual abuse.
This kind of thing has unfortunately been so much more common than we will ever know, because of how much it's been ignored or covered up. Thank you for sharing your experience, and hopefully that little girl that was not believed has been able to find healing.
@@chelseagoodrich6383 All lies. Including you.
That's because nothing happened, well, except for you lying.
@HanksLifeVid9864 So your Grandpa abused a little girl. You're a bright one, aren't you.
@@HanksLifeVid9864 I do know.
He knew damn well that the church would protect him when he committed these atrocities
I’m really sorry if this goes against the guidelines - but DAMN IT IDAHO!!! I keep hearing about my state in so many accounts of religious abuse and ignoring religious abuses. We are so backwards here - especiallly regarding women and children. It’s disgusting.
You are absolutely right. Idaho needs to make some major, major changes.
I went to a Mormon college in ID decades ago and heard some whacko stuff from some local female students. They knew something was off with their own dads or a fiancé’s father, but it’s as if they had to tell me as if to verify. Definitely a creepy vibe I always felt in all UT and ID small towns.
You are not backwards. They go to great lengths to cover up. Even government officials are paid to not do anything.
oh, you’re known for all the husbands whom annihilate their families and them themselves, as well. y’all are embarrassing, really. what other state is known for the worst things in life possible to happen and claim to be for god? it’s wild.
save the, oh it’s not everyone. no s-t, it never is-that doesn’t need to be said all the time.
I feel like it's too early to say this because I haven't seen Part 2, where it's probably explained, but she got roped into a non-disclosure agreement?! That is so sick. NDAs need to be made illegal when it comes to sexual abuse. Being able to talk about it is part of the healing process and that MUST be protected.
NDA is a bunch of malarkey!
Although I’m not Mormon. My brother molested me from 6-12. I am 21 now, and just started to unravel the trauma I have endured, my parents don’t believe me because he denies it. He has done it to multiple people. It was uncomfortable and I also tolerated it, because I was blackmailed and confused with what was happening. I knew what was happening was wrong, I just didn’t understand. Anyways, a lot of the stuff you guys said really validates feelings I have myself that not many people can understand fortunately. I’m sorry for everyone who does understand.
I am so, so sorry that you were also abused and that your abuser has also done a lot of lying and continuing to abuse. We simply must believe victims, because they are usually always telling the truth and have no reason to lie. Sending lots of love to you!
Thank you for sharing that. As Chelsea said, I’m so sorry you didn’t have the support you needed/need. We see you❤️
I to was molested by my brother.... I hope you can forgive and heal. ❤
Healing has a lot more to it than just forgiving.
Jesus understand. He is your healer!
I’m almost 80, I was abused by my step father when I was 9 months to 9 years old. I didn’t understand what it was. I was just confused because he always treated me badly because I was my mom’s little bastard. So why then did he want to ‘love on me’? It was scary and creepy, I had two little sisters and I hoped he wasn’t he wasn’t like that with them. He told me to never tell anyone because they wouldn’t believe it and they would believe him over me.
I never told anyone until I was 16 when I told my mom. Her immediate response was strange to me. She said I could never tell anyone else, it was family business only. She told me to dress in baggy clothes when he was around so he wouldn’t be tempted by me! Like it was my fault for tempting him! That hurt, no comfort or promise from her to protect me or make it stop She was afraid because he had already raped our babysitter and they moved away rather than him going to jail. If he went to jail we’d lose everything because we needed his checks. She continued to have sex with him and nothing changed.
I literally wanted to die. Mom wouldn’t do anything to protect me and it always happed when she was gone so there was no proof, and she believed him saying I lied.
She chastised me several times for lying, when I hadn’t. All from his abuse. Where could I go to be safe?
I have 3 children and was an extremely overprotective mother. I didn’t want my children to be molested. Especially after my divorce. My husband left me because I wasn’t sexually interested in different sex - she was.
For 20 years I did not date anyone. I didn’t want to take a chance my kids would have a step father who might molest them. Once they were out of the house and had lives of their own I dated and had several relationships, but none of them seemed safe, so I quit dating and here I am. Single, wishing I had someone to grow old with. But trusting that no man was safe.
God bless you dear, you suffered such a loss
My mom was the same way. Took me a long time to forgive her.
I HEAR YOU SWEETHEART , ME TOO HONEY 😢😢 NOBODY EVER BELIEVED ME EITHER , I TRUST AND LOVE ANIMALS MORE THAN ANY HUMANS , AND THAT'S THE WAY IT WILL BE TILL I DIE TOO
PEACE AND HUGS 🎉❤GOD BLESS YOU TOO 🎉😢❤
This was very tough to listen to and so much harder to tell, I am sure. It takes tremendous strength to open yourself and your deepest wounds to the public. I applaud both of you for your courage and resilience, only when we talk about these issues, anything will change and improve
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Thank you so much!
Thank you for speaking out to protect others. At 56min I think you hit a nail on the head, people are emotionally invested in their opinions of others. So cognitive dissonance makes them look for any other explanation. Partly I think this is about not believing that nice person could be bad; but also I think subconsciously there is a fear about finding out our abilities to assess people can be so wrong. I have seen it when trying to train church volunteers on safeguarding and in small communities some still struggled with old ideas that they would 'know' if someone was a bit dodgy. 'growing up we all knew who to avoid'. Thinking we can know makes people feel safe, often isolating the neurodivergent or apparently eccentric neighbour down the street whilst not alert to real red flags.
Absolutely, and thank you so much for saying that. It is very true that we often don't want to see when our radar was off, or when we were straight up deceived. It's such a disconcerting realization. And you're right: you can't always judge a book by its cover.
I can't imagine what that upbringing and subsequent battle must've been like. I am going to leave one of my own favorite quotes:
" All it takes for evil to reign is for good people to do nothing. "
Whether you can fully understand your impact, your voice matters.
I’m so so sorry for both of you. You are amazing, beautiful people and you never, ever deserved any of this. People who abuse children do not deserve life or freedom. There is no forgiveness in my heart for them. Thank you both for sharing your stories. Shelise, you are so brave for sharing your truth on your channel.
Thank you ❤️❤️❤️
Good thing he's not apart of my family or he would be cold right now.
Eff that NDA. Silence is violence. Report as soon as you can. Chelsea. You are such a strong wonderful lady. Please keep up the good fight.
If anyone reading this is being abused, tell someone outside of your bubble. A teacher. A friend that will go with you. Anybody. I know it's scary. But trust that there's someone that can and will help you. You don't know me. But I know you. 💛 Keep going you fighter.
That NDA shouldn't even be legal. This guy is a risk to the public.
@@MRuby-qb9bd I totally agree. He shouldn't be allowed in dentistry either. Horrifying.
Thank you to both of you for your willingness to share your experiences! Chelsea, you and your mom are not alone in not being treated well by the church leadership. I too was lied to, gaslighted and mistreated by my former stake president, who happens to be married to the current First Counselor of the Primary General Presidency of the church. It was a bit eerie to hear your description of how your stake president asked you questions about your father's abuse. In my case, the stake president was cold and insensitive when he interrogated me on how many times and where my therapist (who was a church leader at the time) had touched me.
I asked for my abusive therapist to have a disciplinary council, but that never happened, or at least they never told me if it did. After about six grueling months on being on their case, they finally released by abuser from his stake presidency calling. During one of our conversations with my leaders, they told me they couldn't speak to me because church legal told them not to. After almost a year of going back and forth and me demanding to speak with my therapist's stake president, they told me it was entirely up to him and that they couldn't do anything about it. My bishop said an annotation had been placed on my therapist's church record and that he wouldn't be allowed to have a calling involving children or women.
On the civil side of things, I was utterly disgusted when a Utah Division of Professional Licensing investigator asked me if my therapist had an erection when he inappropriately touched me during therapy. How was I supposed to know or notice that?! And that was beside the point if inappropriate touch occurred. Also, to your point about John's attorney, I had a horrible experience when I was deposed by the Utah Attorney General office to the point of feeling suicidal afterwards. I was naive to think that attorneys followed sound ethical rules, but as you said, they try to trick you. Or, as I believe in my case, they go well beyond that using cruelty and questionable tactics to break you.
I am so sorry for what you went through with ALL of that. So you understand firsthand the revictimization that can happen to victims, both in the church, the professional world, and the legal system. I see you and send my love and support.
@@chelseagoodrich6383 Thank you for your kindness from the bottom of my heart! Much love to you and your mom!
Shocking as this is… we can only wonder how much hidden abuse must have gone on before before these stories started surfacing
You ladies are incredible humans. Thank you for sharing this because its hard but it helps. BOTH you take yourselves.
Thank you, Chelsea, for sharing your story. I can’t imagine how painful this is but also very cathartic. I look forward to part two.
WOW. This is so important to get out. So many kids are out there probalby experiencing this all the time. Your courage , incredible witnessing of what happened to you , and your desire to help innocent children out there that are abused and confused --- you are really a wonderful person for doing this. Also, I will pray for you that you reach full healing and continue to grow and blossom in your own life! Thanks again for being a defender and voice for the voiceless.
My sisters grandson is acting out horribly. I know he has been molested. I mentioned this to my sister and it was like talking to a wall. She, her husband and her children and grandchildren are all Mormons. They don’t dare speak out. Makes my blood boil!
You guys are great for doing this interview, this hiding and covering up when victims come forward needs to stop.
I was a bit backed up on watching all the recent videos, so I only just watched this one today. I was so heartbroken by both your stories, and yet so inspired by your bravery and resilience. You are both a force to reckon with, and hopefully you will be able to help make the changes necessary to protect children within the Mormon church, and perhaps other such religious groups.
Thank you for speaking up. I think we should start raising our children, empowering them, to resist and speak up. Is that abusive? We must protect their inmocence, but still raise children to speak up.
It is absolutely imperative that we empower our children to speak up for themselves. There’s nothing abusive about that, quite the opposite actually. We can do this on a developmentally appropriate timeline, starting simply by encouraging an instinct to recognize when something is happening that they don’t like, and stand up for themselves, get away, and/or tell an adult that they trust. Just speaking for myself, i have a five year old and they are the most sweet innocent creature I’ve ever met, but they also know how to be fierce and how to say NO - and they expect that NO to be respected, period. At the moment, that’s mostly been taking the form of interactions they have with other kids. They even know how to tell me when I’m being disrespectful - for example if I get stressed about getting out the door on time and start rushing them in a grumpy way. I am incredible proud to see them develop these skills, and I tell them so.
Thank you so much for sharing such a difficult thing and for not being afraid to be “crazy” about speaking truth to power. You are making the world a better place, as hard as it is to do.
Fellow ex mormon here, what she said at the 51:39 mark about the helpline saying about her no longer being a minor so there was no need to file a report sounds eerily similar to what the prosecutor said when they dropped against my abuser. Although i was still a minor we'd moved out of state so they said "He doesn't live in Michigan anymore, so we feel it would be a waste of time and money to pursue this case"
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I was absolutely abused in Arkansas. I was an iblp child. My dad was military, and he has since passed, so i dont know if we were military relocated or my dad chose a transfer. I just know that after we left Little Rock we no longer attended a Baptist church my mom converted to Methodists and my dad stopped going so i am sure he knew because i remember him hitting a teenagers dad. I do remember this boy showing me a play boy when i was like 4. They were babysitting, and I am sure i was only safe because my brother was there. I also remember 1 other man making me feel very uncomfortable. I really wish our cult had more than Duggar gossip channels. Im thankful i only remember fear, not the actions and the protection from my dad. I am so thankful that's not a memory I have that is negative of him. I always felt safe with him.
Former Arkansan here, my ex-husband was raised iblp, I had no idea what their deal was until I watched shiny happy people just this year. Sorry you had to grow up that way.
Thanks so much, Chelsea and Shelise❣️You are both so brave for sharing your experiences with us!!! Helping the rest of us SA survivors feel more confident and emboldened to confront our trauma and seek out the help we need💯👍🏼We are not alone!!!
Absolutely, you are not alone! I see you and thank you for seeing me too. Sending you so much love and hope for healing.
@@chelseagoodrich6383 thanks so much for your kindness Chelsea❤️You are a true inspiration 💯👍🏼❤️
Thank you, Sandy!❤️ yes, we are not alone.
My heart goes out to both of you & all the other children who were robbed of their innocence with such cruelty. This was very triggering as I experienced something similar from my dad at one point (that I can remember). It’s difficult to hear stories like these but I think it’s important to give survivors of SA a voice.
Chelsea, the pain you went through is devastating and heartbreaking. I'm too a victim of CSA and the pain management the we have to go through to heal is at times almost insurmountable. Thank you for your strength in sharing your story
This is one of the best UA-cam channels. You’ve helped me immensely, it’s hard to put into words.❤
Wow, thank you! I’m so happy to hear that it’s been valuable to you❤️
I’m sorry for your experience. I’m in awe of your willingness to be so vulnerable online. You’re warrior goddesses!!!!
I just saw Let Us Prey doc. I'm so impressed, amazed, comforted, and inspired by how women are so strong and supportive of each other.
Powerful testimony and action. Incredibly brave of all of you. Yes, I would love to have an opportunity to give both of you and your mothers the Women and Mom’s of Familial DV Courage Cubs and Mama Bear Bravery Awards!
Standing up to the abuser in the church and the legal system under such malignant, threat and enduring the exposure and shame that inevitably walks alongside yet shouldn’t be allowed in the presence of such amazing women is heroic. I applaud and salute and admire all of you.
Thank you so much for sharing. Truly. I needed to hear this today. ❤❤❤❤
Thank you so much ❤️
Thank you! And you are right, we are lucky to have courageous moms. Sending love to you!
Bad enough abusing anybody's else's child, but abusing your own child calls for a life sentence, if you ask me.
Thanks for bravely sharing your story and protecting others. You seem to be such a thoughtful and genuinely good person. Much respect to you.
What a kind thing to say. Thank you so much for your kindness and support!
You two women are both such beautiful souls. Thank you for sharing this inspiring conversation. You have helped me to feel stronger as I face my own challenges. Hugs to you both. 💜
Thank you! Hugs back to you!
Thank you! Love to you!❤️
How do I find part two of this broadcast with Chelsea Goodrich
My heart goes out to both of you beautiful young ladies. I will never understand why it is always the womans fault, per the church. This is sick! I commend you both for coming forward and shedding light on such despicable behavior!!! God speed to both of you.
Thank you❤️
He should have his license taken away if he has access to children especially if they are unconscious
Thank you both so much for this! This means so much.
When I was a child i became involved in an offshoot of the Baptist Church here in Sydney, Australia through a youth group I attended. It eventually turned into a small cult which i ended up leaving by the time i was 12 because i felt uncomfortable around some of the leaders. Years pass until i found out there was a lot of allegations of CSA by the Pastor & his wife. I thank God that i left when I did. I’m so sorry you both went through what you did & hope you eventually find peace. Keep up the work you’re doing.
I want to add my appreciation for the manner in which Chelsea and you approached, explained and discussed these experiences. I am a man who grew up in a household with two older sisters and a very strong fundamental church background (but not LDS). We (my sisters and I) were blessed in that we were never exposed to anything like this and I am especially thankful my father not only talked to me about respecting women as myself, but how it was about respecting the special bond GOD created men and women to share as married couples. Some young men I knew received talks about "sex", my father talked to me about "marriage". It's no wonder it was never confusing why "sex" was never "dirty" or "improper". As I grew older I thought it was this way in every Christian home. Of course today I hurt for those who suffered the results of not having had what I now know to treasure (and by the way both of my sisters happily report nothing improper was ever shown them by our father. They too were taught to keep the sanctity of their marriages which they were blessed to live and both are widowed today. I'm saying this not to brag, but again to thank you for sharing your insights and experiences to help people like me who are ignorant and often don't know what to say (if anything) that could be supportive. Oddly, though, my wife was raised by a single-mom who was not a Christian. She had several "dad's" who abused her from the time she was around 5 to a young teen when she finally ran away. A minister and his wife took her in, loved her as she deserved, helped her finish school and then "dumped" her on the campus of a Christian University where I had enrolled after finishing my tour of duty in the USMC in Viet Nam. She had problems "enjoying" sex the same way I did obviously, but she always tried to make me happy when I was aroused ( I don't want to lower the experience to "having a boner"). What was funny later was when she realized I was focused on her being happy in a situation I knew was difficult, she was focused on making me happy. I only hope I was able to provide her anything close to what she has given me for over 40 years now. I am 11 years older than she is, "sex" today has more "hugging" and "touching" and I'm thankful I don't have the strong frustrating physical feelings. We have a son and a daughter, both grown today. I never had any thought of touching my daughter and truly fear for heart and soul of any man who would allow their thoughts to go there. I did take my Dad's lead and taught my son to love his wife (married now over 15 years) to the best advice and example I could over the time GOD placed him under my control to raise from a child to a man. Anyway didn't mean to get so long winded, but thank you and I hope you both have lives full of joy and hearts filled with the love of a man who wants nothing more than to share your happiness and journey together forever.
Thank you for sharing your story with us. I also deal with somatic PTSD sleeping on my side because of something that happened to me. I’m so sorry you both had to go through this experience. I hope you both can heal fully and not always have triggers. Thank you again for being vulnerable with the public. ❤
Wild that the Mormon church allows adults (i.e. bishops) to be alone with minors when that's strictly forbidden by basically all other organizations. I work in sports and, like every Olympic sport in the US, we're overseen by an organization called SafeSport. Among other things, SafeSport has a strict polict that two adults have to be present in a room with minors. The Boy Scouts have a similar rule. Pretty sure teachers aren't allowed to be alone one-on-one either.
Those groups have taken on these precautions, in UK we use the term safeguarding - policies to avoid potential for abuse and clear rule on when a disclosure of potential abuse is made (short answer report and refer - the authorities are the ones to evaluate matters not us). They didn't always exist, but frankly we are in 2023 not 1923 and these things can be discussed so organisations can't plead naivety any more.
It’s really sad how common child sexual abuse happens. It happens to the rich/poor, old/ young, fat and thin, and happens in every race. When I was 8 I was molested by my step dad. My mom didn’t take my side she took his, and screamed at me, and told me to stop lying. I hear the age 8 a lot when referring to child sexual abuse, I wonder why that is?! People who this has never happened to really don’t understand what it feels like like emotionally. The physical pain goes away put the emotional and mental pain last a lifetime. Great video. Even know it’s hard to listen to its important for people to hear and to know that they are not alone. Keep being the awareness you’re doing great. You are a good interviewer and so compassionate. I love watching all of your videos and reels.
This seems such an obvious result of putting boys/men on pedestal, and making women subservient.
My heart breaks for what girls and women are put through. 💔
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This is what this religion does to women.
Thank you for coming forward to talk. I am so sorry this happened. I hope you can continue to have the support of the people who love you.
Hope you both realize how brave you are for sharing. It does make a difference for other survivors, it's so wild how common this is...
Thank you, Val ❤️❤️❤️
I listened to part one with John and Margi Dehlin on Mormon stories. I am so happy that you have had this conversation with Chelsea to share it with us.
Any NDA would be illegal. For anyone else facing this situation; it's illegal to create an NDA to cover up a crime.