I don’t think people of the church realize and can appreciate what this bishop has been through and his courage now to speak out. He is bearing his testimony of the true nature of a Christ like love without you paying 10% of your income. Good for you Brother!
That is the smartest thing I’ve heard about what’s happening to the church. Im in mixed marriage. I can’t admit to anyone in the family that I no longer believe the prophet, seers and revelators speak with, to or for God. As for them seeing around corners, why didn’t they see the pandemic. Nelsons response? “Give thanks”. Something that REALLY bothers me is the financial dealings of the church. We are expected to obey the law of the land, but our leaders are able to create shell companies. This is looking more and more like a corporation under the guise of a church!😊
@@2latesmart62 It really does sum it up perfectly! And your points are all so valid. Why can't they see any truly relevant and life saving future events??? Covid is a great example.
@@2latesmart62 Do some snooping into the "pandemic," and you'll find it was rather a plandemic. The United Nations had a big meeting in SLC in August of 2019, which I find suspicious, and there was also a pandemic exercise called Event 201 that involved a "corona virus" pandemic. One has to learn from the "conspiracy theorists" to know that so many events are contrived nonsense. I'm sure Nelson knew about the "pandemic" ahead of time.
This is the best way to phrase this & when I do tell my story of my issues and why I left Mormonism. I'll be using this with credit to your wife, Amy Hinckley. I was a teen in the 90's also & thank you for starting this that what they said in the 90s was anti Mormon they're now admitting as fact. Nathan, welcome to the other side.
Nathan we were in your ward and knew your parents. My husband had for 3 years kept silent and he opened my eyes so I joined him last November, 2023. I haven't step foot in church since then. Thank you for your courage to share. It makes us feel like we are not alone. I believe you had just came home on your mission when we moved into the ward. We loved the ward there. I wished your parents would open their eyes and see the truth. We wish you all the best.
Thank you for sharing this. Leaving after being completely devoted converts for decades after learning the leadership knowingly lied to us about EVERYTHING is a very painful lonely journey. We were married in the temple without family because we believed their lies. We sent our children on missions to teach those lies. Our families who were excluded from our marriages and those of our children are now all gone. It broke their hearts not to be included in these beautiful moments that were taken from them. So many beautiful family members suffered because of our involvement in this horrific cult who kept truths from us so we in turn would have never joined this church. My heart is so heavy. I wish the Mormon missionaries would have never found us many decades ago and I wish my own sons were not used as well to spread what we now know are horrific lies.
I was a convert and truly believed, even with things my Mormon therapist told me to do. The past 2 years have been huge in learning the truth and my post Mormon life now. Thank you for everyone who puts this together and the way it helps others who have left/want to learn the truth.
Don't become an atheist because you were in a satanic cult. Satan wins either way, read the bible without the garbage its corrupted and it will come to life for you.✝💟
Same! Convert 27 years, out now 4.5. I found Jesus. He has healed me. It was him I was searching for all the time. Seek a relationship with him. His burden is light. The MC had me carrying a heavy yoke of works. God bless you.
Bishop Hinckly!!! You are the BOMB❗️I just left the church after 64 years. Very hard, however... the churches lies and cover ups made it soooo easy! I have family that are still in and active but I have a clean conscience and I know I did the right thing. It was nice that my husband is with me! Huge thank you❣️ if my family questions me, I'll refer them to your video🥰
Treat your family with love and respect, and that's it. Our journey is always our own. I am not a Mormon, but I am a Christian, not too happy with the way churches go about. I don't think Jesus was who we see in churches these days. Humanity evolved so much.
@karendowd7468 Wow! That must have been soooo hard… leaving after all those years. Praying that your transition is as painless as can be under the circumstances.
My mom is your around your age and is a full devout Mormon. I never see her ever questioning her beliefs and is very in. However, I have left the church and am doing amazing allowing myself to deconstruct what I think the Mormon god is and what religion is. I have chosen to no longer speak to my mom due to her harsh comments. I have recently learned that she will not even want me to reach out to her until I find god again. This was interesting for me to learn through the grapevine. Once again, she can’t look inward and see how her beliefs hurt her family. I’m proud of you for doing what you did by just questioning your beliefs and allowing yourself to see another perspective. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Nathan, your sister, Lindsay, was one of the first of 2 people who reached out and pulled me from drowning in my deconstruction! She & Todd (along with another couple) helped pave the way in our immediate area for those of us who would begin to experience cognitive dissonance. She and another friend were a life jacket for me in my very early moments, 😢treading water outside of the boat. I'm truly happy for you and your family, and it is my genuine prayer that you all will continue to find your own way! Thank you for sharing your story!
My brother and his wife told me I am a liar, disingenuous, not credible, and the Denise they thought they knew died the day I said I was leaving. They were my closest family and now we don’t speak. This decision is what’s best for our family and that’s peace enough. The truth has set me free.❤
Whoa. Im sorry that your closest family came to those conclusions. Hoping they can soften in time and reconnect with you. In the meantime, it’s relieving and soul affirming to abide in peace. Much love to you
Nathan, you’ve described how I have felt since leaving the church. I cannot reconcile the Jesus I knew and loved with the same Jesus who is head of the Church I left. I don’t know that I will ever find a way to be a full believer in Jesus or God because of the residual damage from my lifetime membership in the LDS church. I’ve tried other religions - I don’t feel like I belong there, either, but I have come to the conclusion that I am fine just the way I am. Jesus/God, who is supposed to know me, will understand me as I am.
When we know better, we do better. JS, BY, and subsequent Brethren found a way to access power in its various secular forms: sex (polygamy/polyandry), money (SEC million dollar fines), and political influence (Prop 8).
Don't worry about a thing, God loves us all, whatever we believe, nobody has to ascribe to a RELIGION and THE DOCTRINES, just be a good person who loves God. RELIGIOSITY Causes WARS and TROUBLES.
Why not try a relationship with Jesus and not a religious system. Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. There is no other way to the Father but by Me. Jesus is God in the flesh. Have a relationship with Him and not a religious system. Religion is man made.
Thanks for sharing. I’m pioneer stock thru Hyrum, Joseph F, Joseph Fielding Smith. I’m also the only one in my family who’s even bothered to read the Gospel Topics Essays. None of my active family knows half of what I’ve learned but I’m the villain. I truly understand being “damaged goods”.
Never Morman here! However, I at 62 am just coming out of a high demand religious space. My question became, "Where is Jesus in all this?". Bishop Hinckley, I appreciate you coming to Mormon Stories. I appreciate Mormon Stories.
god orders his followers to murder in his name, including babies. then says thou shalt not kill. why would i follow such a god. the bible says he is never changing.
love GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST community. This guy is an atheist now, like several ex-Mormon, JW, SDA, CoC and RCC become. JESUS said HIS yoke is easy, "whosoever believeth in me shall never die and I shall raise him on the last day, do you belief this Mary"?
@@kymfrancis4612 when supernatural confirmations happen to you personally it's no longer belief, it's you know WORD YHWH is true. Why do you believe you are from a magical puddle of goo with a 10 to the 174 power one protein could combine from 22 amino acids? Let alone, 200 proteins are needed for a single cell. Your DNA proves there is a code writer before the one cell republicated itself. Science says 10 to the 50 power is absurd yet you say time solves the problem, sorry I don't have the same amount of faith to believe absurdity. The rules of logic require a cause for the next event aka causality. This requires an all-powerful eternal intelligence outside space and time to cause everything that is. Unless you have a nonsensical belief that everything that is came from nothing. If YHWH could prophesy in 10 verses (Dan. 9:24 -27 Ezek. 4:1-7) a king issuing a decree to repair streets and walls on Passover eve in 454 BC at the 9th hour. Topped off with a blood moon Tetrad to mark the date so you know it's from the creator. Then 483 years as prophesy HE is on the cross Passover eve dying for you to the day an hour. See: Nasa 5 Millennium Lunar eclipses 453 BC. Ezek. 4:1-5 began a 390 year prophecy on the second blood moon of the same tetrad in 454 BC. Fulfilled by an iron pan siege of Pompey in 64 BC. You do the math. Third witness: Ezek. 4:6,7 began at the ✝️in 31 ad ending 40 years later in a Titus siege on Jerusalem, fulfilling Dan. 9:27 desolations. Note the arm of the LORD revealed is the same arm in Isa. 53:1. Question is, why do you believe in magical stuff? My supernatural experience was when I was working on these prophetical truths HE caused me to wake every morning at exactly 4:54 AM. Then when I was finishing up HE caused the iron pan to ring out several times at exactly 4:54 pm.
@rickhuntling7338 are you talking about evidence or proof? There is plenty of evidence to evaluate But in matters of faith proof is a standard that varies widely from person to person.
@@rickhuntling7338I don't, you guys see a bunch of religious zealots that can't fathom or except people are happy outside your circle. Y'all are the biggest hypocrites and mask Hate with "love" Stfu about your fairy tales. Atheists are the best kind of people, they can look past themselves and accept the world as what it is and people for who they are.
OMG. Like Nathan, I became physically sick (nauseated, headaches, listless) while in the bishopric and discovering hidden truths about the church. I would text the bishop on those Sunday mornings to tell him I couldn't make it to bishopric meetings and/or sacrament meeting, including not being able to conduct when it was my turn. Of course, most of the time I hid it because I felt like I had to toe the line as long as I could. It was HELL.
@@mikeflanders2173 "Hidden" is semantically antiquated when it comes to "true church" stuff. More like discovering church- obscured factoids and disavowals that were once anti-Mormon lies, and now inconveniences in the church's own essays.
@@cyasmiles4613 For me, it was mostly coincidental that I was in the bishopric after having discovered the church's truth crisis. However, in retrospect, I believe that some of the experiences I had while serving accelerated and confirmed my doubts, thus reinforcing the invalidity of the church's so-called "absolute truths." I can't speak for others--all experiences differ--but I imagine that many serving in leadership positions find that the position changes one's perspective. Sometimes this "strengthens" testimonies; other times it causes questioning. A basic example of this involves praying as a bishopric to ask for confirmation about callings for specific members. Prayer never provided confirmation nor stupor of thought. It was merely a ritual that we were compelled to do. I remember opening my eyes during these prayers sometimes just to get a peek of what leaders' faces looked like when petitioning for answers. A few pairs of furrowed brows and eyes closed so tightly it looked painful. The responses that followed these "sincere" prayers were nothing more than, "Well, I feel okay about it, I think." Or, "I don't feel anything to the contrary, so I guess it's all good." It seemed so meaningless. Empty. Not faith-promoting at all. And this happened EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. Simply pointless.
Thank you so much for this live broadcast it was awesome. I Woke up 5 years ago have not been to Church in 5 years either. I am a or was a suffering Mormon single man have had 5 years to process a lot. But still time from time I have hard day's. I have no support. Been doing it all alone. With the exception of on line youtube sites. No physical contact with me. It's been ruff,but I am getting better. 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I spent years on isolation post Mormon. I know the feeling of being lost. Wasn't any internet support when I left. Just realize the only savior you need is staring at you when you look in the mirror. Walk away and limit contact with toxic people. Over time you'll feel more normal and attract people into your life that aren't toxic LDS.
We do need God, but not the way is being presented to us. Churches in general are social clubs. Nothing else. I am a Christian trying to navigate the world without the guilt of not going to church every Sunday. I hope I will get better, but having a family that goes to church and that thinks this is what God wants from you is difficult. The formation of church isn't healthy. For some reason, the design just doesn't work for me. My hope is that God is who he says he is, and buildings are not important because to me, it isn't. God is inside of me and in all that wish to believe.
@@laurenmay2098 🎯 Seems to me that “church” today is little like the first century church, the one Jesus founded. And Jesus Christ as portrayed in many churches today is unlike who He is portrayed by those who knew Him (in the Bible).
I love how Nathan Hinckley suggested he should speak in stake conference to give support to those who feel like he does in order to support those hurting in wards and the stake. That would be powerful.
what is the WAY to see the Lds WEBSITE? Jesus loves and died for everyone. I am born a Jew, and we had the same problem following your own Rabbi who disagreed with other rabbis which made only your sect right. If you get shunned and damned to hell. then we are not saved by Jesus grace but by our leaders ideas. I have come to Jesus as my forgiver and best friend in a relationship. It is called amazing grace. thanks....truth or error?
If your religion keeps you from being open honest and true, its no religion to dedicate to. Thanks to both of you for telling the truth 🙏 Greetings from Sweden ❤
I have struggled with all of these issues for 45 of my 58 years. I appreciate Nathan's integrity, vulnerability and courage. I have been so lost and confused and ashamed all my life and did chose ways to cope that hurt and shamed my family. I am seen as the rebel, the black sheep and the one who couldn't get her life together in the traditional sense. Because at one point could answer positive to all the temple questions, but it didn't feel right or safe.
I know exactly why you felt like that. The church was your total foundation. Once that foundation crashes, you have to rebuild from the ground up. It also causes you to doubt yourself for believing that garbage all those years.
What the Bible actually teaches is Jesus is our foundation, not a church building, a bishop, a pastor, cathedral or anything else but Jesus! I was never a Mormon, I’m a Christian and have been for many years. I have lived in Utah for 30+ years, I have known many Mormons including ex-Mormons. No church should make you feel guilt or less than or have secrets, that’s of man not God!
Thank you Nathan! There’s an awakening happening. I just found Mormon Stories from a friend. Organized, control-based and fear-based religion like this church is being seen for what it is. I’ve spent my whole adult life in this church, since joining at age 18 until finally listening to my inner voice at age 42. I know many people are going through the same thing I did with this church. It’s never too late to live a happy life❤
I'm 43 and just left also. I have a strong testimony of Jesus Christ. But I know that the church leaders are cowards. I have tried to live a life of service I have been abused for my life and the greatest abuses came from the church. The last time I went to church they were preaching about service. It hurts too much to keep going. Then during the COVID-19 scam I saw that the church shut its doors in fear of a common cold. I have risked my life and seen Iraq during the occupation. I have been blown up multiple times. And the church that I learned to overcome fear shut down in fear of a common cold. I have since prayed and received an answer from God that the leadership of the church has no faith. I who was breaking and hurting have More faith than the leadership of the church. I gave my priesthood away in the way that John the Baptists father gave it to John. I know that my sacrifice was blessed by the Lord. I know that a marvelous work and a wonder is occurring. It just is that Mormons don't know what they pray for.
Another way to cause unnecessary stress on a doctor. I'm sad he feels this way. Sometimes it's just biology/science, not ordained by God. It's stressful for even with a physician who is not a LDS or Christian to lose a patient. Doctors are a special group, as people tend to think they have to make miracles, when sometimes things don't work out that way. I hope he doesn't experience too much guilt or take on "fault" when things are beyond his control. Best wishes and good thoughts. Thanks to your husband for the work he does in the ER.
Lol, I am a Christian, I do pray for sick people. My uncle was a walking miracle, lol, but one day, his luck with God was over. I was believing for another miracle, but it didn't happen. I don't think our beliefs are a matter for doctors. Christian or not. Only if it is about what the law allows. Some won't take blood from others. Anyway, my brother was healed from a kind of câncer, the doctor cried when she looked at his tests. But I know it was both things working together. My brother was very ill and suffered a lot.
@@soude85 I think he meant that's what he hears from people. I've had the same experience with patients families. If you save a patient then they say that it was god's doing. you get used to it but it's pretty horrible.
Bless his heart. I can totally see the faith crisis leading to physical symptoms. How could it not? Keep sharing your truth. I bet your testimony will help others be strong/brave confront their questions
Nathan, your voice sounded fine from the beginning. You were in a room with bright acoustics, and you’re a tenor who hasn’t adopted the General Authority mannerisms. Your voice is actually without the Mormon affect I had to unlearn when I began voice training as an adult.
I was driving my daughter to the airport and I started to have a panic attack and I truly thought I was dying and it was around the time I was having a problem with my faith and not believing in Mormonism .
I'm curious if you might call that a PTSD response to going to the airport to leave on a Mormon mission trip, or why you were taking your daughter--was she going on a mission trip when you had your anxiety attack? I hope you get help for your trauma if you need it--there are many people here who know how you feel and can relate.
Check out the Baha'i faith.. we did not Place men between us and our God.. pray directly to God.. not confess your sins to a man confess your sins to God.. and God bless all of you with the courage to independently investigate the truth and find God for yourself.. God gave us the gift of discernment.. the ability to know the truth when we see it when we see it.. Baha'i faith condemns all forms of Prejudice and racism.. calls for the equality of men and women.. God bless you for your courage and may he give you the strength to get yourself out of the Mormon cult
Lisa, I had a bishop tell me if I would just go along with the abuse my father was doing to me it would be easier on me. I had so much trauma after my dad died this year. I want my name off finally and am afraid it will not happen.
Betty I'm so sorry you've had this happen but fully believe it does in this church. I hope the healing process can begin for you now. There are so many people who are here to provide support. I wish I could lift the pain but I can tell you that you're not alone.
@@Lisa.Ann. I checked out emotionally when the church came out against all energy work since I am a reiki practitioner and I know the good it does. My son was a RM and he has been amazing supporting me. He was just like you can't be surprised mom. It is a church run with all men and they can't deal with a woman healing. I am grateful for the support more than anyone knows.
This is personal and not meant to be rude. After my wife’s suicide I lived alone for ten years. I would wake up in the morning sometimes with a physical manifestation. This would fill me with horror because I felt guilty for waking up like this. I would physically break this to prevent anything from happening. I eventually remarried and have had continuous problems since it became ok within the bounds of marriage. I use to destroy this physical manifestation throughout the ten years of living alone. I was utterly and completely celibate. This period of time deeply harmed my mental health and to this very day nearly married now 15 years have ongoing issues.
My daughter served a mission in his ward. She has loving memories. I left the church shortly after her return but she is still a strong member. I no longer have family support and my kids turned against me. It is very pain.
How tragic. I hope you’ll find a “family” to love and be loved. I have also experience estrangement and although it is the most terrible thing that ever happened to me, I have found a way to live a joyous beautiful life and hope the same for you.
It’s an exclusionist society at its core. You’re either with us or against us. That in itself should tell you it’s a cult. When your children wake up, and they will because all dark secrets are coming to light, you can start over. Find a community to fill that void.
Don't lose your self-esteem and self-respect. Having your family turn on you or having the cult weaponize your family against you hurts. Prove them wrong by showing how much better you are doing. Over time that cult will fall. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
I am praying for you here in Texas...I know 1 thing God doesn't teach to kick your family to the curb because we don't believe the same...Texas Size Hugs....❤
I love all MSP episodes. But, every now and again there is one that touches me ‘more’. This episode is one of them. Nathan was a Bishop, I was a Stake Relief Society President. Snap. Gospel Topic Essays had the same effect on me. Nathan, Polygamy. Me, Book of Abraham. I also was raised in a strict orthodox Mormon family, though, British. I really appreciate Nathan taking time to share his story. I feel those of us that are raised in, serve In, especially in high demand callings, have a ‘kindred spirit’ reaction to finding out what we invested In , we’re taught was ‘true’, and then find out that Mormonism was built on lies and continues to have lies perpetuated from the top 15 old men that live within a covenant an apostolic covenant that it is ‘ok’ to lie for the Lord!! Thanks Nathan. Thanks John. Much appreciated.
Thank you, Nathan, for sharing your experience. You are a courageous, and more importantly, good man and human being. Not because any religion made you so, it’s who you are and what anyone can be.
WOW!!!! This episode resonated SO much!! I was the kid arguing with a Baptist pastor about the "anti-Mormon" literature...arguing with students and teachers while in High School...I gave Book of Mormons to my High School teachers and genuinely believed I was saving them, or that some super natural future event where their grandkids would find the book there and read it and convert would happen...I was an apologist who wouldn't read anti literature...when I found out the truth it all flooded in all the things on my shelf and hit me all at once - I went from all in to all out in just a couple weeks.. staying up all night learning the truth ... and I definitely manifested things physically as well...this episode going over the polygamy, polyandry, underage girls, lying... I have even been down the Joseph Smith was framed route and went that way for a while trying to make some of it true... Such a great episode!!
Well, don't make the mistake of putting baptists on a pedestal. All churches with large congregations have problems. Whether it's Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc.
I pray you study the bible with the same intent and see it's truth and how much greater (infinitely greater) the true Jesus is than the J.S. version. God of the bible, the only true God, bless and heal you.
@@Richard-n4r2o So what made you reject Jesus? Historians agree he existed. He was sent to the cross. He preached he was the savior and his followers went to the grave, not for money, sex, pride, or power. They died preaching he died for our sins and rose again. They would know whether or not this was true because they were there in Jerusalem to see for themselves.
@@brettpinion4233 Finding the entire bible a work of a badly written piece of science fiction did nothing for me to believe in Jesus. What I find funny is how many Christians only want to talk about the 10 commandments and rarely talk about Jesus's commandments (which were "greater"). I might have stayed a Christian longer if Christians wanted to post Jesus's commandments everywhere (rather than "the 10").
We had William Hinckley as bishop and stake president in Omaha. My husband and I left the church about ten years ago after being in it for over sixty years. It feels like that you never get completely out of it and seems to stick to you like glue. We live next to an ex bishop ...ex Mormon here in Arizona.
Thank you so much for sharing your story. It is so validating. Deconstruction is painful, destabilizing, confusing and isolating. I’m so glad you are giving support to others who need you and your family. ❤️
Thanks for this interview. The gospel topics essays were what started my faith crisis. I felt completely betrayed. Then church leaders continued to not be honest. I felt gaslit and eventually left.
Excellent episode! All the same arguments and thoughts I had/have that led me out. Have never looked back. Much happiness to you, “Bishop Nathan Hinckley”. 🙌🏼🤗
I hope this video goes VIRAL. There are a lot of people's out there that need to hear this video 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Share Share Share 🤯 I have shared this video with my 2 cousin's. Let's all share with 2 people. 😊😊😊
At times, during my garment wearing years, I wore 5-6 layers of clothing. Garments, underwear (during monthly) nylons, girdle, slip, dress. I am very worm as it is, I lived in So. Cali at that time. How I didn’t overheat back then still surprises me. Loved this episode!
BRAVO... perfectly articulated. This has been my husband and my story/journey as well! It has felt like a death occurred in our family. It would have never been this difficult if there weren't so many lies told to us! We believed everyone single one of them with every fiber of our souls... and we decaded our lives, our children lives and now our grandchildren to lives to this church The responsibility we carry is so heavy! We are progressing, but without the knowledge of others feeling the same disappointment and devastation it would be more difficult to bare! Thank you for allowing people to share their testimonies of truth while working through The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Fakes... "the Mormon" lies.
I’m not Mormon. I remember the first time I learned about it. I was in the third grade and became friendly with a little girl named Maddie Barlow. She always wore long skirts and one day I asked her why she didn’t wear shorts for recess so she didn’t get her pretty skirt dirty. She basically told me it was her religion and she was Mormon. She invited me to the church and all. I’ll never forget it, pinehurst drive in Clinton, MS. Let’s just say I never forgot the experience. Once I got older, I googled Mormonism and realized the treatment I got was because of the color of my skin AND the fact that I was an outsider. They weren’t overly mean, they were nice nasty in a way I never forgot lol. Sometimes I always wonder how Maddie is doing, we were really good friends and played so good together.
For 20+ years, I was alone in leaving the church. My brother left but had a much easier time of it because I had paved the way. These podcasts have been the gateway to my parents discovering the truth for themselves. They actually send me episodes to watch now, including this one. It touched them very much and I appreciate this former bishop sharing his story. Cognitive dissonance has really come to the fore in many contexts thanks to what the world has been through over the last 4 years. Human consciousness is rising and it can be terrifying to those who thought they knew life through a particular lense. I’m so proud of anyone willing to look at themselves and question what the authority figures in our lives tell us. Taking responsibility for ourselves…thoughts and actions, is the path to authenticity and individuality. This path can be lonely but it’s always worth it. Sending lots of love to anyone currently wrestling with their own internal crisis. Hang in there, you will find your people and it will be ok.
I appreciate he mentioned how if he didnt have doubts of his own, he wouldve treated his daughter poorly once she left. I think a lot of people can sadly relate to this, its something that needs to be addressed. The way ppl are treated if they leave or have doubts is very unkind and un-christ-like. One minute you want to spend all eternity with family, and the next they are disowned, and what is blocking that? Their membership in a church?
The anxiety attacks are real! I couldn't believe what I experienced in this way. Thought I was the only one, until other people's experiences. It took a lot of learning to trust in myself, my thoughts, my feelings, what my body and mind was trying to tell me. To stand up for what I now believe. ❤
So good to listen to this. Basically i found out about all this myself when studying the church during Corona lockdown in Germany. For me racism is the biggest problem in church especially in Germany where we have been in church and experienced all the time. thank you
What a beautiful, deeply thinking, considerate man - even though I’m a never Mormon I have the utmost respect for him & I can’t wait to hear more from him ❤ from Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺
Never Mormon here. WOW!! Nathan, such an honest interview. You admit your faults. You admit how you treated your Sister. You made a choice that led with your daughter and you listened to her!! You admit you don’t know everything. I’m so very impressed at your bravery and say BRAVO to you Sir! John, you never cease to impress with your interviews and kindness to all. Isn’t that what it’s all about? AHmazing! ❤
I remember trembling when I found out about the Second Endowment or Anointing and became super sick shortly after. My ex husband was the one that found the info! It was so disturbing to our reality that we decided to brush it under the rug. I left in 2017 after a lengthy 7-8 year faith crisis and he is still in it. I shake my head and don’t understand how he can keep going…
Thank you John and Nathan. My husband was a Pastor for 16 years in the Assemblies of God. We left the ministry and the church 2 years ago. Even though I’m a never Mormon your videos always help me. It’s nice to know we are not alone when the bottom falls out of our life.
Really enjoyed this episode of MS! We hope Nathan is able to live life on his terms now and that he shares his truth with everyone he can! We firmly and completely respectfully believe that Nathan will not be ex’ed because of his ties to GBH, as there’s always special consideration for prophet’s family members. Thank you John! These episodes are SO important for people who are waking up!
I totally resonate with what you went through. I started going down the rabbit holes and finally left because of a faith crisis. It was hard at first but I fell so free now and I'm a spiritual individual not religious. The light is within each of us and don't need any outside source.
I wanted to reply to the "awakened Southerner" comment. I'm a never-Mormon/never-Christian and a queer Texan. My beautiful, diverse state has been held hostage by hateful religious zealots for the majority of my life. I listen to this show because I have an academic interest in cults, but also because it's so uplifting and inspiring to see members of hateful religions learn to take a more loving view of humanity. Thank you both for sharing this message of hope.
If the LDS church has so much money, why don't they pay for the mission expenses for all the young men (and women) they insist to go on a mission? Other denominations donate to help their missionaries. The other denominations do not insist people go on a mission. It's 100% up to the individual.
There are people in the church that donate. I was going to go as a new convert. I got married instead. But my ward would have paid for it. So people donate.
What is not to like about a man who learned to free his mind and heart from his beliefs and speak out about them. This is amazing and may God Bless him! After three years of faithful blind belief to falling down when looking at the world around me.
Modesty Smodesty! I don't wear garments, have not in 12 years, but left the church in the last 6 months. I still dress like a 'mormon'. I don't know how to dress differently, I have so much church based shame about my body. Summer is coming...maybe it's time for shoulders! 😅
A good start might be an a-line dress. - If you envision yourself in a nice summer dress 🌞 A lot of them have broad straps so I hope you will feel less bare, but still get the freedom of movement of no shoulders and a wide skirt. Also a-line is not tight around your thighs and stomach, but it still accentuates the waist and proportions. Sorry if this was too random and not helpful, I just wanted to give you a bit of direction just in case🧜♂️🎉 I hope you find a way to exist in your body that makes you feel free and empowered, maybe even badass!
I know Nathan and his parents. We were in the same ward in Macon, Ga back in the 80s. They are great musicians. Would love to talk with him about his experience. Thanks!
What an AWESOME show!!! Nathan Hinckley speaks so WELL and WRITES so WELL! I have shared some of his posts on my own personal Facebook page because he is so SPOT ON!!! This is one of my FAVORITE interviews!!!
Last Christmas my in laws were visiting and my MIL brought up the fact that we need to be obedient and give our money to the church and have faith in where our money goes…trying to guilt me in front of my children for not staying in the trap of lies and playing the game. I smiled and said…I’ve grown so much more when I allow the spirit of the Lord to speak directly to me and tell me who to give my tithing to. My kids enjoy giving this way as well.
Thank you, Nathan Hinkley, for standing strong with what you believe. I know it’s painful, but each of us must look ourselves in the mirror and feel we are doing what we believe is right. I am a fellow ex Mormon in Kentucky!
I've never been a Mormon but have been interested in it since I was a kid. I grew up in an area very densely populated by Mormons and was a member of a high-demand religion (via my parents, not by choice) myself. I've read umpteen books on mormanism, Elissa Wall's included as soon as it came out. Since then I've followed the FLDS, AUB, and other branches. But there is still SO much I don't know about mainstream Mormanism and I REALLY appreciate how much John makes sure to explain things outsiders wouldn't know.
This gentleman hit it right on the head for me! I chose to leave the church early in my life but weirdly? I still have all those doctrines engrained in my brain. I can follow this channel very well even though I was given the choice to quit going to church in 6th grade. I feel so bad for those individuals that feel so cheated and dooped, for lack of a better word. I feel fortunate that my parents gave me a choice. Thank you Nathan!
How refreshing….. the true will set you free! What a wise and brave man. Blessings to you Nathan. The Mormon church has many good things about it but many problems and contradictions that need correction.
Bishop Hinkley, as a former convert of 27 years,( I've been out now 4.5 years), I could deeply relate to the many points you made. I, however, have gone back to Jesus and have a relationship with him that I was never taught in the Mormon religion, more reinforcement to me that Jesus is real and Joseph Smith and his anti biblical doctrines from the D & C never were. I hope you will come to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I wish I had sought him sooner rather than sought to hook up with religion which is man's way to God.
Same here brother! So thankful that Jesus brought me out of darkness and saved me by grace through faith. There is no comparison whatsoever between Jesus, Joseph and the Mormon Jesus. Jesus is 100% the way, the truth and the life. 🙌🏼✝️🙌🏼 it breaks my heart when people leave the Mormon church and turn completely away from God.
Your understanding of the gospel is interesting. Certainly a matter of perspective. I’m grateful for my testimony of the truthfulness of the Gospel and hope you truly find healing in your life. Cheers!!
As a non-Mormon and a Baptist Christian in Tennessee I agree on the same thing as Bishop Nathan and it was great to hear him because we can still believe in love God and live in God‘s life and in his steps and have a good relationship with God and not hold ourselves down to all this judgment stuff Which is a lot of what religion is, we can still go to church and have communion, but at the same time, raise our families and know the difference between right and wrong and so it was great to hear bishop say the same things that I believe and teach my family❤❤❤❤😊
I don’t think people of the church realize and can appreciate what this bishop has been through and his courage now to speak out. He is bearing his testimony of the true nature of a Christ like love without you paying 10% of your income. Good for you Brother!
"I didnt have a faith crisis but the church had a truth crisis." Your wife nailed that! 🎯
That is the smartest thing I’ve heard about what’s happening to the church. Im in mixed marriage. I can’t admit to anyone in the family that I no longer believe the prophet, seers and revelators speak with, to or for God. As for them seeing around corners, why didn’t they see the pandemic. Nelsons response? “Give thanks”. Something that REALLY bothers me is the financial dealings of the church. We are expected to obey the law of the land, but our leaders are able to create shell companies. This is looking more and more like a corporation under the guise of a church!😊
@@2latesmart62 It really does sum it up perfectly! And your points are all so valid. Why can't they see any truly relevant and life saving future events??? Covid is a great example.
...truth crisis. That is a lovely way of putting it.
@@2latesmart62 Do some snooping into the "pandemic," and you'll find it was rather a plandemic. The United Nations had a big meeting in SLC in August of 2019, which I find suspicious, and there was also a pandemic exercise called Event 201 that involved a "corona virus" pandemic. One has to learn from the "conspiracy theorists" to know that so many events are contrived nonsense. I'm sure Nelson knew about the "pandemic" ahead of time.
This is the best way to phrase this & when I do tell my story of my issues and why I left Mormonism. I'll be using this with credit to your wife, Amy Hinckley.
I was a teen in the 90's also & thank you for starting this that what they said in the 90s was anti Mormon they're now admitting as fact. Nathan, welcome to the other side.
I wish I could make family members listen to this the way my dad made me watch general conference. Nathan put things so well. Beautiful.
Nathan we were in your ward and knew your parents. My husband had for 3 years kept silent and he opened my eyes so I joined him last November, 2023. I haven't step foot in church since then. Thank you for your courage to share. It makes us feel like we are not alone. I believe you had just came home on your mission when we moved into the ward. We loved the ward there. I wished your parents would open their eyes and see the truth. We wish you all the best.
Thank you for sharing this. Leaving after being completely devoted converts for decades after learning the leadership knowingly lied to us about EVERYTHING is a very painful lonely journey. We were married in the temple without family because we believed their lies. We sent our children on missions to teach those lies. Our families who were excluded from our marriages and those of our children are now all gone. It broke their hearts not to be included in these beautiful moments that were taken from them. So many beautiful family members suffered because of our involvement in this horrific cult who kept truths from us so we in turn would have never joined this church. My heart is so heavy. I wish the Mormon missionaries would have never found us many decades ago and I wish my own sons were not used as well to spread what we now know are horrific lies.
I was a convert and truly believed, even with things my Mormon therapist told me to do. The past 2 years have been huge in learning the truth and my post Mormon life now. Thank you for everyone who puts this together and the way it helps others who have left/want to learn the truth.
Don't become an atheist because you were in a satanic cult. Satan wins either way, read the bible without the garbage its corrupted and it will come to life for you.✝💟
Same!
So glad you found your way out! 🫶🏼
Same! Convert 27 years, out now 4.5. I found Jesus. He has healed me. It was him I was searching for all the time. Seek a relationship with him. His burden is light. The MC had me carrying a heavy yoke of works. God bless you.
Just realize how lucky you are. Only 3 years of tithing.
Bishop Hinckly!!! You are the BOMB❗️I just left the church after 64 years. Very hard, however... the churches lies and cover ups made it soooo easy! I have family that are still in and active but I have a clean conscience and I know I did the right thing. It was nice that my husband is with me! Huge thank you❣️ if my family questions me, I'll refer them to your video🥰
Congrats on leaving!! ❤️🩹
Treat your family with love and respect, and that's it. Our journey is always our own. I am not a Mormon, but I am a Christian, not too happy with the way churches go about. I don't think Jesus was who we see in churches these days. Humanity evolved so much.
@karendowd7468
Wow! That must have been soooo hard… leaving after all those years. Praying that your transition is as painless as can be under the circumstances.
I left at 60+ and it was hard at first but it gets easier and BETTER!
My mom is your around your age and is a full devout Mormon. I never see her ever questioning her beliefs and is very in. However, I have left the church and am doing amazing allowing myself to deconstruct what I think the Mormon god is and what religion is. I have chosen to no longer speak to my mom due to her harsh comments. I have recently learned that she will not even want me to reach out to her until I find god again. This was interesting for me to learn through the grapevine. Once again, she can’t look inward and see how her beliefs hurt her family. I’m proud of you for doing what you did by just questioning your beliefs and allowing yourself to see another perspective. 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Nathan, your sister, Lindsay, was one of the first of 2 people who reached out and pulled me from drowning in my deconstruction! She & Todd (along with another couple) helped pave the way in our immediate area for those of us who would begin to experience cognitive dissonance. She and another friend were a life jacket for me in my very early moments, 😢treading water outside of the boat. I'm truly happy for you and your family, and it is my genuine prayer that you all will continue to find your own way! Thank you for sharing your story!
They are amazing people! Thanks for that
Jesus say’s “He is the Way.” His way, His Book. No other. God Bless You Laura.
Good on you! Peace-
My brother and his wife told me I am a liar, disingenuous, not credible, and the Denise they thought they knew died the day I said I was leaving. They were my closest family and now we don’t speak.
This decision is what’s best for our family and that’s peace enough. The truth has set me free.❤
God Bless You Moore! Gods Gift, Gods Truth, Gods Book . . .that’s all. Much Love to You!
Whoa. Im sorry that your closest family came to those conclusions. Hoping they can soften in time and reconnect with you. In the meantime, it’s relieving and soul affirming to abide in peace. Much love to you
Thank you Nathan for sharing your story, loved it! Thank you John Dehlin for making this possible, you are literally saving lives❤
Nathan, you’ve described how I have felt since leaving the church. I cannot reconcile the Jesus I knew and loved with the same Jesus who is head of the Church I left. I don’t know that I will ever find a way to be a full believer in Jesus or God because of the residual damage from my lifetime membership in the LDS church. I’ve tried other religions - I don’t feel like I belong there, either, but I have come to the conclusion that I am fine just the way I am. Jesus/God, who is supposed to know me, will understand me as I am.
When we know better, we do better. JS, BY, and subsequent Brethren found a way to access power in its various secular forms: sex (polygamy/polyandry), money (SEC million dollar fines), and political influence (Prop 8).
It can be very hard to find His grace for you. Keep trying though.
"The Disappearance of the Universe" by Gary Renard brought clarity to the many doubts and questions I had about my faith
Don't worry about a thing, God loves us all, whatever we believe, nobody has to ascribe to a RELIGION and THE DOCTRINES, just be a good person who loves God. RELIGIOSITY Causes WARS and TROUBLES.
Why not try a relationship with Jesus and not a religious system. Jesus said “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. There is no other way to the Father but by Me. Jesus is God in the flesh. Have a relationship with Him and not a religious system. Religion is man made.
Thanks John and Nathan! Great interview. I hope it leads more people to freedom.
Thanks for sharing. I’m pioneer stock thru Hyrum, Joseph F, Joseph Fielding Smith. I’m also the only one in my family who’s even bothered to read the Gospel Topics Essays. None of my active family knows half of what I’ve learned but I’m the villain. I truly understand being “damaged goods”.
Thank you for your courage and intelligence Nathan Hinkley. You will find more peace and truth on the path you're on now. Take care.
Never Morman here! However, I at 62 am just coming out of a high demand religious space. My question became, "Where is Jesus in all this?". Bishop Hinckley, I appreciate you coming to Mormon Stories. I appreciate Mormon Stories.
My story at 65 exactly
god orders his followers to murder in his name, including babies. then says thou shalt not kill. why would i follow such a god. the bible says he is never changing.
Me at 65 as well.
56 here, same story. We got out of Church of Christ turned non-denominational as it was turing political. It was great until that happened.
This man is a prime example of why I love the ex Mormon community so much!
love GOD and SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST community. This guy is an atheist now, like several ex-Mormon, JW, SDA, CoC and RCC become. JESUS said HIS yoke is easy, "whosoever believeth in me shall never die and I shall raise him on the last day, do you belief this Mary"?
@@rickhuntling7338why do you believe in magical thinking? There isn’t a single scientific piece of evidence that any of the claims are authentic.
@@kymfrancis4612 when supernatural confirmations happen to you personally it's no longer belief, it's you know WORD YHWH is true.
Why do you believe you are from a magical puddle of goo with a 10 to the 174 power one protein could combine from 22 amino acids? Let alone, 200 proteins are needed for a single cell. Your DNA proves there is a code writer before the one cell republicated itself.
Science says 10 to the 50 power is absurd yet you say time solves the problem, sorry I don't have the same amount of faith to believe absurdity. The rules of logic require a cause for the next event aka causality. This requires an all-powerful eternal intelligence outside space and time to cause everything that is. Unless you have a nonsensical belief that everything that is came from nothing.
If YHWH could prophesy in 10 verses (Dan. 9:24 -27 Ezek. 4:1-7) a king issuing a decree to repair streets and walls on Passover eve in 454 BC at the 9th hour. Topped off with a blood moon Tetrad to mark the date so you know it's from the creator. Then 483 years as prophesy HE is on the cross Passover eve dying for you to the day an hour.
See: Nasa 5 Millennium Lunar eclipses 453 BC.
Ezek. 4:1-5 began a 390 year prophecy on the second blood moon of the same tetrad in 454 BC. Fulfilled by an iron pan siege of Pompey in 64 BC. You do the math.
Third witness: Ezek. 4:6,7 began at the ✝️in 31 ad ending 40 years later in a Titus siege on Jerusalem, fulfilling Dan. 9:27 desolations. Note the arm of the LORD revealed is the same arm in Isa. 53:1.
Question is, why do you believe in magical stuff?
My supernatural experience was when I was working on these prophetical truths HE caused me to wake every morning at exactly 4:54 AM. Then when I was finishing up HE caused the iron pan to ring out several times at exactly 4:54 pm.
@rickhuntling7338 are you talking about evidence or proof? There is plenty of evidence to evaluate But in matters of faith proof is a standard that varies widely from person to person.
@@rickhuntling7338I don't, you guys see a bunch of religious zealots that can't fathom or except people are happy outside your circle. Y'all are the biggest hypocrites and mask Hate with "love"
Stfu about your fairy tales.
Atheists are the best kind of people, they can look past themselves and accept the world as what it is and people for who they are.
OMG. Like Nathan, I became physically sick (nauseated, headaches, listless) while in the bishopric and discovering hidden truths about the church. I would text the bishop on those Sunday mornings to tell him I couldn't make it to bishopric meetings and/or sacrament meeting, including not being able to conduct when it was my turn. Of course, most of the time I hid it because I felt like I had to toe the line as long as I could. It was HELL.
What are these ”hidden” truths?
@@mikeflanders2173 "Hidden" is semantically antiquated when it comes to "true church" stuff. More like discovering church- obscured factoids and disavowals that were once anti-Mormon lies, and now inconveniences in the church's own essays.
@@mikeflanders2173 All thanks to the digital/information age. Almost everything is accessible now.
I have a question for you, in your opinion, do you believe that those in the bishopric have enough experiences to make them question the church truth?
@@cyasmiles4613 For me, it was mostly coincidental that I was in the bishopric after having discovered the church's truth crisis. However, in retrospect, I believe that some of the experiences I had while serving accelerated and confirmed my doubts, thus reinforcing the invalidity of the church's so-called "absolute truths." I can't speak for others--all experiences differ--but I imagine that many serving in leadership positions find that the position changes one's perspective. Sometimes this "strengthens" testimonies; other times it causes questioning.
A basic example of this involves praying as a bishopric to ask for confirmation about callings for specific members. Prayer never provided confirmation nor stupor of thought. It was merely a ritual that we were compelled to do. I remember opening my eyes during these prayers sometimes just to get a peek of what leaders' faces looked like when petitioning for answers. A few pairs of furrowed brows and eyes closed so tightly it looked painful. The responses that followed these "sincere" prayers were nothing more than, "Well, I feel okay about it, I think." Or, "I don't feel anything to the contrary, so I guess it's all good." It seemed so meaningless. Empty. Not faith-promoting at all. And this happened EVERY.SINGLE.TIME. Simply pointless.
Thank you Nathan Hinkley and Mormon Stories..for paving the way to freedom.
It takes some serious balls to do this!! I commend you Nathan
Thanks Nick…I’m pretty sure you know all about this
It takes backbone, not balls! ❤
Yes ma’am. I stand corrected
No not really. It’s only hard if you make it hard. Stop worrying what other people think.
It takes zero balls
Yes, the Church teaches us that when we discover we were wrong we should apologize and atone for what we did wrong, BUT THE CHURCH NEVER DOES THAT!
Follow Jesus, not the organization. Read the book of John in the Bible and get to know the real Jesus. Just read the Bible. That’s all!
@@phillipmarquez4133 , reading the bible (cover to cover) is what made me an atheist over 40 years ago.
@@phillipmarquez4133read all of the great books... find the truth for yourself.. check out the Baha'i faith we accept all the great Prophets
@@phillipmarquez4133Are you always this predatory?
Thank you so much for this live broadcast it was awesome. I Woke up 5 years ago have not been to Church in 5 years either. I am a or was a suffering Mormon single man have had 5 years to process a lot. But still time from time I have hard day's. I have no support. Been doing it all alone. With the exception of on line youtube sites. No physical contact with me. It's been ruff,but I am getting better. 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I spent years on isolation post Mormon. I know the feeling of being lost. Wasn't any internet support when I left.
Just realize the only savior you need is staring at you when you look in the mirror. Walk away and limit contact with toxic people. Over time you'll feel more normal and attract people into your life that aren't toxic LDS.
God has always been inside us 🙏 we are of God not RELIGION'S. 😊
We do need God, but not the way is being presented to us. Churches in general are social clubs. Nothing else. I am a Christian trying to navigate the world without the guilt of not going to church every Sunday. I hope I will get better, but having a family that goes to church and that thinks this is what God wants from you is difficult. The formation of church isn't healthy. For some reason, the design just doesn't work for me. My hope is that God is who he says he is, and buildings are not important because to me, it isn't. God is inside of me and in all that wish to believe.
@@laurenmay2098 🎯
Seems to me that “church” today is little like the first century church, the one Jesus founded. And Jesus Christ as portrayed in many churches today is unlike who He is portrayed by those who knew Him (in the Bible).
@JhutaNabi absolutely!
Proud of you for speaking up, Nathan.
-a fellow exmo southerner
I love how Nathan Hinckley suggested he should speak in stake conference to give support to those who feel like he does in order to support those hurting in wards and the stake. That would be powerful.
Bishop Nathan Hinckley should speak in the next General Conference 👏
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Jesus loves and died for everyone. I am born a Jew, and we had the same problem following your own Rabbi who disagreed with other rabbis which made only your sect right. If you get shunned and damned to hell. then we are not saved by Jesus grace but by our leaders ideas. I have come to Jesus as my forgiver and best friend in a relationship. It is called amazing grace. thanks....truth or error?
He should get up in fast and testimony meeting, with references and examples!
I am a witness to your heartache. It takes fierce love and you have got it! Love to your family. The truth has set you free!
Thank you!
Nathan, your essays are AMAZING 😊 THANK YOU FOR YOUR TRUTH!!!!
Bishop Nathan Hinckley is my new HERO! He puts into words what so many of us are thinking but don't dare to speak out!!!
If your religion keeps you from being open honest and true, its no religion to dedicate to.
Thanks to both of you for telling the truth 🙏
Greetings from Sweden ❤
I have struggled with all of these issues for 45 of my 58 years. I appreciate Nathan's integrity, vulnerability and courage. I have been so lost and confused and ashamed all my life and did chose ways to cope that hurt and shamed my family. I am seen as the rebel, the black sheep and the one who couldn't get her life together in the traditional sense. Because at one point could answer positive to all the temple questions, but it didn't feel right or safe.
This man is so easily relatable!!!! I hope his “gospel of hope” spreads over the whole church!
I know exactly why you felt like that. The church was your total foundation. Once that foundation crashes, you have to rebuild from the ground up. It also causes you to doubt yourself for believing that garbage all those years.
What the Bible actually teaches is Jesus is our foundation, not a church building, a bishop, a pastor, cathedral or anything else but Jesus! I was never a Mormon, I’m a Christian and have been for many years. I have lived in Utah for 30+ years, I have known many Mormons including ex-Mormons. No church should make you feel guilt or less than or have secrets, that’s of man not God!
@@thealdrichanalysis2836Are you always a predator?
i have just about ZERO connection to mormonism but i still listen to this podcast from time to time because it's so damn interesting!!!!
Thank you Nathan! There’s an awakening happening. I just found Mormon Stories from a friend. Organized, control-based and fear-based religion like this church is being seen for what it is. I’ve spent my whole adult life in this church, since joining at age 18 until finally listening to my inner voice at age 42. I know many people are going through the same thing I did with this church. It’s never too late to live a happy life❤
I'm 43 and just left also. I have a strong testimony of Jesus Christ. But I know that the church leaders are cowards. I have tried to live a life of service I have been abused for my life and the greatest abuses came from the church. The last time I went to church they were preaching about service. It hurts too much to keep going. Then during the COVID-19 scam I saw that the church shut its doors in fear of a common cold. I have risked my life and seen Iraq during the occupation. I have been blown up multiple times. And the church that I learned to overcome fear shut down in fear of a common cold. I have since prayed and received an answer from God that the leadership of the church has no faith. I who was breaking and hurting have More faith than the leadership of the church. I gave my priesthood away in the way that John the Baptists father gave it to John. I know that my sacrifice was blessed by the Lord. I know that a marvelous work and a wonder is occurring. It just is that Mormons don't know what they pray for.
My husband is an ER doctor. He always says that if a patient gets well, God did it; if a patient gets worse it's the doctor's fault!
Another way to cause unnecessary stress on a doctor. I'm sad he feels this way. Sometimes it's just biology/science, not ordained by God. It's stressful for even with a physician who is not a LDS or Christian to lose a patient. Doctors are a special group, as people tend to think they have to make miracles, when sometimes things don't work out that way. I hope he doesn't experience too much guilt or take on "fault" when things are beyond his control. Best wishes and good thoughts. Thanks to your husband for the work he does in the ER.
Never heard this lol
Lol, I am a Christian, I do pray for sick people. My uncle was a walking miracle, lol, but one day, his luck with God was over. I was believing for another miracle, but it didn't happen. I don't think our beliefs are a matter for doctors. Christian or not. Only if it is about what the law allows. Some won't take blood from others. Anyway, my brother was healed from a kind of câncer, the doctor cried when she looked at his tests. But I know it was both things working together. My brother was very ill and suffered a lot.
That’s weird, he should be proud that he was able to help people get better. If it wasn’t for him, people would die lying in the ER waiting for God…
@@soude85 I think he meant that's what he hears from people. I've had the same experience with patients families. If you save a patient then they say that it was god's doing. you get used to it but it's pretty horrible.
Fascinating how a crisis in faith leads to physical issues! Glad your mind and spirituality has widened.
Bless his heart. I can totally see the faith crisis leading to physical symptoms. How could it not? Keep sharing your truth. I bet your testimony will help others be strong/brave confront their questions
Nathan, your voice sounded fine from the beginning. You were in a room with bright acoustics, and you’re a tenor who hasn’t adopted the General Authority mannerisms. Your voice is actually without the Mormon affect I had to unlearn when I began voice training as an adult.
One of the best ever episodes. Kudos to Nathan for expressing these issues and for sure helping many others who might be struggling.
I was driving my daughter to the airport and I started to have a panic attack and I truly thought I was dying and it was around the time I was having a problem with my faith and not believing in Mormonism .
Wow, that's a good sign you're in a high demand religion!
I'm curious if you might call that a PTSD response to going to the airport to leave on a Mormon mission trip, or why you were taking your daughter--was she going on a mission trip when you had your anxiety attack? I hope you get help for your trauma if you need it--there are many people here who know how you feel and can relate.
Check out the Baha'i faith.. we did not Place men between us and our God.. pray directly to God.. not confess your sins to a man confess your sins to God.. and God bless all of you with the courage to independently investigate the truth and find God for yourself.. God gave us the gift of discernment.. the ability to know the truth when we see it when we see it.. Baha'i faith condemns all forms of Prejudice and racism.. calls for the equality of men and women.. God bless you for your courage and may he give you the strength to get yourself out of the Mormon cult
I will never fully heal from the wounds that church inflicted. But thru Mormon Stories, Nathan Hinkley has given me strength and hope.
Me neither....I think you just hope for the best after a person finally adjusts to it....
Lisa, I had a bishop tell me if I would just go along with the abuse my father was doing to me it would be easier on me. I had so much trauma after my dad died this year. I want my name off finally and am afraid it will not happen.
Betty I'm so sorry you've had this happen but fully believe it does in this church. I hope the healing process can begin for you now. There are so many people who are here to provide support. I wish I could lift the pain but I can tell you that you're not alone.
@@Lisa.Ann. I checked out emotionally when the church came out against all energy work since I am a reiki practitioner and I know the good it does. My son was a RM and he has been amazing supporting me. He was just like you can't be surprised mom. It is a church run with all men and they can't deal with a woman healing. I am grateful for the support more than anyone knows.
This is personal and not meant to be rude. After my wife’s suicide I lived alone for ten years. I would wake up in the morning sometimes with a physical manifestation. This would fill me with horror because I felt guilty for waking up like this. I would physically break this to prevent anything from happening. I eventually remarried and have had continuous problems since it became ok within the bounds of marriage. I use to destroy this physical manifestation throughout the ten years of living alone. I was utterly and completely celibate. This period of time deeply harmed my mental health and to this very day nearly married now 15 years have ongoing issues.
My daughter served a mission in his ward. She has loving memories. I left the church shortly after her return but she is still a strong member. I no longer have family support and my kids turned against me.
It is very pain.
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How tragic. I hope you’ll find a “family” to love and be loved. I have also experience estrangement and although it is the most terrible thing that ever happened to me, I have found a way to live a joyous beautiful life and hope the same for you.
It’s an exclusionist society at its core. You’re either with us or against us. That in itself should tell you it’s a cult. When your children wake up, and they will because all dark secrets are coming to light, you can start over. Find a community to fill that void.
Don't lose your self-esteem and self-respect. Having your family turn on you or having the cult weaponize your family against you hurts. Prove them wrong by showing how much better you are doing. Over time that cult will fall. The bigger they are the harder they fall.
I am praying for you here in Texas...I know 1 thing God doesn't teach to kick your family to the curb because we don't believe the same...Texas Size Hugs....❤
Wow! What a great episode, I really enjoyed the way that Bishop Hinckley told his story, very moving and well done! Thank you, John!
It's very refreshing as a never Mormon to hear so many people coming down to the truth of the Mormon Corporation. Excellent episode.
All other churches are no different, they just tell different lies.
That is why I cannot embrace organized religion of ANY kind.
I love all MSP episodes. But, every now and again there is one that touches me ‘more’. This episode is one of them. Nathan was a Bishop, I was a Stake Relief Society President. Snap. Gospel Topic Essays had the same effect on me. Nathan, Polygamy. Me, Book of Abraham. I also was raised in a strict orthodox Mormon family, though, British. I really appreciate Nathan taking time to share his story. I feel those of us that are raised in, serve In, especially in high demand callings, have a ‘kindred spirit’ reaction to finding out what we invested In , we’re taught was ‘true’, and then find out that Mormonism was built on lies and continues to have lies perpetuated from the top 15 old men that live within a covenant an apostolic covenant that it is ‘ok’ to lie for the Lord!!
Thanks Nathan. Thanks John. Much appreciated.
Thank you, Nathan, for sharing your experience. You are a courageous, and more importantly, good man and human being. Not because any religion made you so, it’s who you are and what anyone can be.
WOW!!!! This episode resonated SO much!! I was the kid arguing with a Baptist pastor about the "anti-Mormon" literature...arguing with students and teachers while in High School...I gave Book of Mormons to my High School teachers and genuinely believed I was saving them, or that some super natural future event where their grandkids would find the book there and read it and convert would happen...I was an apologist who wouldn't read anti literature...when I found out the truth it all flooded in all the things on my shelf and hit me all at once - I went from all in to all out in just a couple weeks.. staying up all night learning the truth ... and I definitely manifested things physically as well...this episode going over the polygamy, polyandry, underage girls, lying... I have even been down the Joseph Smith was framed route and went that way for a while trying to make some of it true...
Such a great episode!!
Well, don't make the mistake of putting baptists on a pedestal. All churches with large congregations have problems. Whether it's Mormons, Baptists, Catholics, etc.
I pray you study the bible with the same intent and see it's truth and how much greater (infinitely greater) the true Jesus is than the J.S. version. God of the bible, the only true God, bless and heal you.
@@brettpinion4233 Reading the bible cover to cover is what made me an atheist... over 50 years ago.
@@Richard-n4r2o So what made you reject Jesus? Historians agree he existed. He was sent to the cross. He preached he was the savior and his followers went to the grave, not for money, sex, pride, or power.
They died preaching he died for our sins and rose again. They would know whether or not this was true because they were there in Jerusalem to see for themselves.
@@brettpinion4233 Finding the entire bible a work of a badly written piece of science fiction did nothing for me to believe in Jesus. What I find funny is how many Christians only want to talk about the 10 commandments and rarely talk about Jesus's commandments (which were "greater"). I might have stayed a Christian longer if Christians wanted to post Jesus's commandments everywhere (rather than "the 10").
We had William Hinckley as bishop and stake president in Omaha. My husband and I left the church about ten years ago after being in it for over sixty years. It feels like that you never get completely out of it and seems to stick to you like glue. We live next to an ex bishop ...ex Mormon here in Arizona.
Hello fellow AZ exmo!
Az is much warmer than NE! The history of BY in Omaha/Council Bluffs is compelling
@@blake9908 Hello to you...Arizona is a good place to live although had a real adjustment coming down from Utah.
Ditto....from Tucson!
Thank you so much for sharing your story. It is so validating. Deconstruction is painful, destabilizing, confusing and isolating. I’m so glad you are giving support to others who need you and your family. ❤️
Thanks for this interview. The gospel topics essays were what started my faith crisis. I felt completely betrayed. Then church leaders continued to not be honest. I felt gaslit and eventually left.
Thank you Nathan. You convinced me and gave me courage to speak up about these things publicly. You're amazing
Excellent episode! All the same arguments and thoughts I had/have that led me out. Have never looked back. Much happiness to you, “Bishop Nathan Hinckley”. 🙌🏼🤗
What an amazing interview. I love that he also pointed out similarities in the koran as well as other beliefs. Such a cool conversation!
Nathan, wow! You are so succinct and so right! I salute your bravery and honesty! Thank you for this interview!!!!!
I hope this video goes VIRAL. There are a lot of people's out there that need to hear this video 😊😊😊😊😊😊😊😊 Share Share Share 🤯 I have shared this video with my 2 cousin's. Let's all share with 2 people. 😊😊😊
Thank you Nathan and your family for speaking up! It is really important and helps so many people
At times, during my garment wearing years, I wore 5-6 layers of clothing. Garments, underwear (during monthly) nylons, girdle, slip, dress. I am very worm as it is, I lived in So. Cali at that time. How I didn’t overheat back then still surprises me. Loved this episode!
BRAVO... perfectly articulated. This has been my husband and my story/journey as well! It has felt like a death occurred in our family. It would have never been this difficult if there weren't so many lies told to us! We believed everyone single one of them with every fiber of our souls... and we decaded our lives, our children lives and now our grandchildren to lives to this church The responsibility we carry is so heavy!
We are progressing, but without the knowledge of others feeling the same disappointment and devastation it would be more difficult to bare! Thank you for allowing people to share their testimonies of truth while working through The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Fakes... "the Mormon" lies.
Best message ever! Thank you for the help on my journey.
I’m not Mormon. I remember the first time I learned about it. I was in the third grade and became friendly with a little girl named Maddie Barlow. She always wore long skirts and one day I asked her why she didn’t wear shorts for recess so she didn’t get her pretty skirt dirty. She basically told me it was her religion and she was Mormon. She invited me to the church and all. I’ll never forget it, pinehurst drive in Clinton, MS. Let’s just say I never forgot the experience. Once I got older, I googled Mormonism and realized the treatment I got was because of the color of my skin AND the fact that I was an outsider. They weren’t overly mean, they were nice nasty in a way I never forgot lol. Sometimes I always wonder how Maddie is doing, we were really good friends and played so good together.
Nice nasty! Ooo I've encountered that also.
For 20+ years, I was alone in leaving the church. My brother left but had a much easier time of it because I had paved the way. These podcasts have been the gateway to my parents discovering the truth for themselves. They actually send me episodes to watch now, including this one. It touched them very much and I appreciate this former bishop sharing his story. Cognitive dissonance has really come to the fore in many contexts thanks to what the world has been through over the last 4 years. Human consciousness is rising and it can be terrifying to those who thought they knew life through a particular lense. I’m so proud of anyone willing to look at themselves and question what the authority figures in our lives tell us. Taking responsibility for ourselves…thoughts and actions, is the path to authenticity and individuality. This path can be lonely but it’s always worth it. Sending lots of love to anyone currently wrestling with their own internal crisis. Hang in there, you will find your people and it will be ok.
Lots of love to you! Such a warm and truthful message.
It’s comments like yours, that give me hope for mankind. Thank you for being so conscious. 🫶
I appreciate he mentioned how if he didnt have doubts of his own, he wouldve treated his daughter poorly once she left. I think a lot of people can sadly relate to this, its something that needs to be addressed. The way ppl are treated if they leave or have doubts is very unkind and un-christ-like. One minute you want to spend all eternity with family, and the next they are disowned, and what is blocking that? Their membership in a church?
The anxiety attacks are real! I couldn't believe what I experienced in this way. Thought I was the only one, until other people's experiences. It took a lot of learning to trust in myself, my thoughts, my feelings, what my body and mind was trying to tell me. To stand up for what I now believe. ❤
Good luck on your healing, Nathan! You and your family are very brave and now very free!!!
You are an open-minded truth seeker and an inspiration. Love you, John; this is yet another great choice and production by you.
This is a very good podcast. I love it when former Mormon Bishops give their story. I think it’s honest and genuine share their experiences.
So good to listen to this. Basically i found out about all this myself when studying the church during Corona lockdown in Germany.
For me racism is the biggest problem in church especially in Germany where we have been in church and experienced all the time.
thank you
What a beautiful, deeply thinking, considerate man - even though I’m a never Mormon I have the utmost respect for him & I can’t wait to hear more from him ❤ from Brisbane Australia 🇦🇺
Never Mormon here. WOW!! Nathan, such an honest interview. You admit your faults. You admit how you treated your Sister. You made a choice that led with your daughter and you listened to her!! You admit you don’t know everything. I’m so very impressed at your bravery and say BRAVO to you Sir!
John, you never cease to impress with your interviews and kindness to all. Isn’t that what it’s all about? AHmazing! ❤
You have helped many people with your truth and insite!
I believe I was your mothers neighbor as a child. She was a great friend and I loved her. ♥️
I remember trembling when I found out about the Second Endowment or Anointing and became super sick shortly after. My ex husband was the one that found the info! It was so disturbing to our reality that we decided to brush it under the rug. I left in 2017 after a lengthy 7-8 year faith crisis and he is still in it. I shake my head and don’t understand how he can keep going…
Bless your heart. Glad you found your way out.
Thank you John and Nathan. My husband was a Pastor for 16 years in the Assemblies of God. We left the ministry and the church 2 years ago. Even though I’m a never Mormon your videos always help me. It’s nice to know we are not alone when the bottom falls out of our life.
Really enjoyed this episode of MS! We hope Nathan is able to live life on his terms now and that he shares his truth with everyone he can! We firmly and completely respectfully believe that Nathan will not be ex’ed because of his ties to GBH, as there’s always special consideration for prophet’s family members.
Thank you John! These episodes are SO important for people who are waking up!
Excellent interview. Nathan is so honest and relatable.
I totally resonate with what you went through. I started going down the rabbit holes and finally left because of a faith crisis. It was hard at first but I fell so free now and I'm a spiritual individual not religious. The light is within each of us and don't need any outside source.
Thank you for being vulnerable and sharing your story!
Great interview! A well-spoken explanation of the key problems in Mormonism. I loved hearing an "average member" tell his story.
This has been by far one of my favourite episodes.
Thank you for sharing, Nathan.
I wanted to reply to the "awakened Southerner" comment. I'm a never-Mormon/never-Christian and a queer Texan. My beautiful, diverse state has been held hostage by hateful religious zealots for the majority of my life. I listen to this show because I have an academic interest in cults, but also because it's so uplifting and inspiring to see members of hateful religions learn to take a more loving view of humanity. Thank you both for sharing this message of hope.
Have LDS Bishops in my family and I worry for their mental wellbeing. I am not and have never been LDS. This explains a lot. Thank you.
Thank you Nathan! It’s brave people like you that give me the strength, peace and comfort to live according to my conscience
Wow - your daughter's poem is so powerful! Thank you for sharing ❤
Is it read at the end?
This has to be one of my favorite interviews
Love Bishop Nathan, welcome, welcome, welcome. I admire your courage. Panic attacks are horrible and happening to many questioning Mormons.
If the LDS church has so much money, why don't they pay for the mission expenses for all the young men (and women) they insist to go on a mission? Other denominations donate to help their missionaries. The other denominations do not insist people go on a mission. It's 100% up to the individual.
They are too greedy.
As a never-mo, I’ve wondered that too.
Well...that's one reason they have so much money. Seriously messed up.
There are people in the church that donate. I was going to go as a new convert. I got married instead. But my ward would have paid for it. So people donate.
The church paid for my sons mission and they have paid and will continue to pay for many more.
What is not to like about a man who learned to free his mind and heart from his beliefs and speak out about them. This is amazing and may God Bless him! After three years of faithful blind belief to falling down when looking at the world around me.
Nathan's story is very relatable, thank you for sharing!
Modesty Smodesty! I don't wear garments, have not in 12 years, but left the church in the last 6 months. I still dress like a 'mormon'. I don't know how to dress differently, I have so much church based shame about my body. Summer is coming...maybe it's time for shoulders! 😅
A good start might be an a-line dress. - If you envision yourself in a nice summer dress 🌞
A lot of them have broad straps so I hope you will feel less bare, but still get the freedom of movement of no shoulders and a wide skirt.
Also a-line is not tight around your thighs and stomach, but it still accentuates the waist and proportions.
Sorry if this was too random and not helpful, I just wanted to give you a bit of direction just in case🧜♂️🎉
I hope you find a way to exist in your body that makes you feel free and empowered, maybe even badass!
So right, I know many people who are no longer mormon but still dress the same way. I donated all my white shirts & ties when I stopped attending lol.
After 52 yrs I felt a liberation in removing garments that I could not describe and not deny. They shielded me from a true spiritual awareness
Tank tops are so comfy on hot days.
Our Creator made our bodies. Be proud of Yourself. 🙏♥️🙏
I know Nathan and his parents. We were in the same ward in Macon, Ga back in the 80s. They are great musicians. Would love to talk with him about his experience. Thanks!
What an AWESOME show!!! Nathan Hinckley speaks so WELL and WRITES so WELL! I have shared some of his posts on my own personal Facebook page because he is so SPOT ON!!! This is one of my FAVORITE interviews!!!
Mine too!!
Last Christmas my in laws were visiting and my MIL brought up the fact that we need to be obedient and give our money to the church and have faith in where our money goes…trying to guilt me in front of my children for not staying in the trap of lies and playing the game. I smiled and said…I’ve grown so much more when I allow the spirit of the Lord to speak directly to me and tell me who to give my tithing to. My kids enjoy giving this way as well.
Thank you, Nathan Hinkley, for standing strong with what you believe. I know it’s painful, but each of us must look ourselves in the mirror and feel we are doing what we believe is right.
I am a fellow ex Mormon in Kentucky!
One of the best interviews in MS! Love every word that Nathan shared.
I've never been a Mormon but have been interested in it since I was a kid. I grew up in an area very densely populated by Mormons and was a member of a high-demand religion (via my parents, not by choice) myself. I've read umpteen books on mormanism, Elissa Wall's included as soon as it came out. Since then I've followed the FLDS, AUB, and other branches. But there is still SO much I don't know about mainstream Mormanism and I REALLY appreciate how much John makes sure to explain things outsiders wouldn't know.
You are lucky to have your wife on your side! My husband will not even look at the gospel topics essays and when I try to tell him he shuts down!
So he’s a member but refuses to look at the organization’s own information?
Really resonate
Same story with my husband.
This gentleman hit it right on the head for me! I chose to leave the church early in my life but weirdly? I still have all those doctrines engrained in my brain. I can follow this channel very well even though I was given the choice to quit going to church in 6th grade. I feel so bad for those individuals that feel so cheated and dooped, for lack of a better word. I feel fortunate that my parents gave me a choice. Thank you Nathan!
How refreshing….. the true will set you free! What a wise and brave man. Blessings to you Nathan. The Mormon church has many good things about it but many problems and contradictions that need correction.
I am so thankful for people that are speaking up.
Bishop Hinkley, as a former convert of 27 years,( I've been out now 4.5 years), I could deeply relate to the many points you made. I, however, have gone back to Jesus and have a relationship with him that I was never taught in the Mormon religion, more reinforcement to me that Jesus is real and Joseph Smith and his anti biblical doctrines from the D & C never were. I hope you will come to have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. I wish I had sought him sooner rather than sought to hook up with religion which is man's way to God.
Same here brother! So thankful that Jesus brought me out of darkness and saved me by grace through faith. There is no comparison whatsoever between Jesus, Joseph and the Mormon Jesus.
Jesus is 100% the way, the truth and the life. 🙌🏼✝️🙌🏼 it breaks my heart when people leave the Mormon church and turn completely away from God.
Your understanding of the gospel is interesting. Certainly a matter of perspective. I’m grateful for my testimony of the truthfulness of the Gospel and hope you truly find healing in your life. Cheers!!
As a non-Mormon and a Baptist Christian in Tennessee I agree on the same thing as Bishop Nathan and it was great to hear him because we can still believe in love God and live in God‘s life and in his steps and have a good relationship with God and not hold ourselves down to all this judgment stuff Which is a lot of what religion is, we can still go to church and have communion, but at the same time, raise our families and know the difference between right and wrong and so it was great to hear bishop say the same things that I believe and teach my family❤❤❤❤😊