North Shore property owners ordered to pay $1M in fines
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- North Shore property owners ordered to pay $1M in fines
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Yeah, a bunch of homeowners years ago wanted to build their houses on the edge of the north Saskatchewan river. They were told to build live further back from the edge for safety reasons to which the owners declined. And 30 years later the edge is at the back door And the houses are falling into the river. they actually tried to sue the city for their million dollar houses, and city brought up their case, and the case got thrown out of court. And they cannot go back in the houses because they’re unsafe to occupy and are falling into the river, and they have to pay for the cleanup. 30-year-old mistakes.
In other words, when you play stupid games you win stupid prizes.
Karma eventually succeeds.
😂😂😂
The price of privilege. 🤣
People can be so stupid it’s insane.
How to buy a cheap beachfront house: Buy a house 1- 2 houses inland and wait 20 years.
I live on in a hill 4 miles from Long Island sound. We're about 123' above sea level. My husband and I joke about owning beachfront property someday. 😂😂😂
@@JaRule6
I'm from LI as well😂
I always joke
All those homes on the makai side of the highway have been there for at least 60 years. They've been through hurricanes, dealt with beach erosion, 10,000 visitors at surfing competitions, etc. They aren't going anywhere. This is a super El niño winter.
@CANNABISfreedomNOtaxes
They said that when all the continent's were one they never separate
@joeyork9891 yeah, my grandpa was alive back then. He has pictures.
You will never win against water. Water always does whatever it wants to do.
Tell that to the Netherlands
What you mean is that there is nothing on earth that the can not destroy.
Water and fire
Even the Netherlands can’t do it all.
@@Abcdefghijk920 and wind
Sorry, you built your home there. As a resident of the Big Island I don’t agree with obscuring the coastline and restricting beach access just because you have the dollars to do so. You must have been aware it was a possibility. 🌈🤙
and they're interviewing a resident that is an environmental LAWYER and lives right there???
Crisis point ? For who? If build 10ft from a coast line with dangerous surf, what you expect.
Plants should own the beach like they always have Then they put down roots, slowing erosion as well as protecting people and their property.
Or, they could plant plants in the ocean that would drink up all the seawater, and then the homeless would have more land to build homes.
@@williamcope2652i agree
Probably not native to that area but it sounds like what you are suggesting is Mangroves. Highly salt tolerant species.
@@superdave8248mangrove doesn't like heavy wave action, grows in back bays.
So I watched a documentary not long ago about solutions to climate change on a massive scale. The producer visited a woman who lived alone in a vast piece of land that she bought and had made into some protected area for the purpose of preserving nature there. She talked about some futuristic climate change solutions, which was the purpose of the video. She also talked about how people should not even be entering certain places. No roads, no camping, no housing, etc. in order to protect key natural processes safe from people and climate change. Sounded right.
But then I see her house. It's absolutely massive! There is a very long winding road, not a driveway, a road miles long, that leads far into this land to her house. Only her house. No other purpose for this road. I was shocked! Because she, herself, is living there in the lap of luxury with no neighbors for miles and miles (because it's protected land), with a road, and all the requirements of living well. What a hypocrite! I was so angry that this woman was pushing herself as a climate change activist and reducing the human footprint in certain areas, like the one she lived in, yet she is doing exactly that. Basically, she bought herself a nature reserve to live in. It was shocking. All that construction of roads, utilities, the massive house, and all her luxuries, just for her. I'd say she is part of the problem. I wonder if she has considered her own footprint on this land. Terrible.
That is exactly why I cannot stand any of the 'climate change' activists. They want all us peons to do as they say and then they will do exactly what they want regardless of who or what they hurt.
Beaches and shorelines migrate they don't stay static. If you build on the water, it's just a matter of time before you meet it up close and wet. Same with cliffs, they erode. That's just the way it is. Nothing is permanent.
Which is why government paid for flood insurance is such a scam. If it washed away once it will wash away again.
And yet people are stunned
Look at Pacifica California....great example of what happens when you build next to a cliff.
Beaches should be wide open. Privatization of entire landscapes alike beaches are, should not have been allowed in the first place.
I feel the same way about the mountains and the valleys and the plains.
@@freshtapcoke I find it important to hold development away from nature spots that have recreational value to the public. One great example how things went wrong is is Sedona. An otherwise pristine landscape that lost much of its appeal by runaway development. Especially since there would have been endless room for developments in the further away surrounding area. Thankfully Yosemite has gained National Park status rather early. Otherwise we probably would have developers destroy its appeal with settlements within the park similarly to what they have done to Sedona.
Where I live the vast majority of coast is private, dozens of miles. It's so lame.
I think your house should be wide open space...
It's called erosion. Sand shifts according to wave action. The sea level rising is when the ocean level rises in all locations, not just one beach.
Keep thinkin about it, maybe it'll come to you.
Homes were never meant to be built there.
No one should have been allowed to build anywhere on the beach.
Beaches need room to breathe.
I also think ALL of the oceanside should be public property.
Beaches should be wide open. Privatization of entire landscapes alike beaches are, should not have been allowed in the first place.
Tell that to the Obama's who were granted a permit to build a massive sea wall just a few years ago but, this Oahu government will nto grant the same to these home owners who own the sand all the way to the tide line. yes they own the beach too. that is their property. yet the government is dictating what they can and cant do with their property. beware this is commuism. they soon will be dictating what you can do with your property too. that is their plan.
I agree and so does Jesus, that's why he is clearing the beaches for us! 😊
Did you know that the entire beach/coast line in the State of Oregon is public ?
Mexico figured that out long long ago 🇲🇽
Years ago I was in an oceanography class at the university of Hawaii . My professor shared that he often is called to shoreline areas to sign off on construction for new builds as required by certain insurance agencies, oversight committees etc… as to soundness of new construction. Eight out ten builds were not sounds from his perspective . He informed them of unpredictable erosion based on tides, storms etc… Builder “fixes” to address such concerns included sea walls, redistribution of rocks along shoreline and creating new “natural” rock borders. The downside of such “fixes” is the withering away of natural shoreline along the coast. This effect can travel miles down the toast. Most don’t listen and built anyway.
Climate deniers are usually the people with money and a bit of smugness....
How did former President Obama get a permit to build a huge sea wall on his Oahu property where he tore down the old mansion, cleared the land of all vegetation then built a massive mansion & massive sea wall stretching a large portion of the beach (locals were not happy with this massive sea awl). How come the permit office/govt wont let these NS home owners buid a sea wall or put large lava boulders to protect their property?
Who granted Obama's sea wall permit?
I took an oceanography class at Purdue, and my prof told us that when the first sea wall goes up, the water shifts its pressure and erosion down beach. Those people are forced to put up a sea wall, and so on.
He said the best thing to do is for everyone to take away their walls at the same time, so the whole beach would wear away evenly and I guess reach a point where it would stop?
I remember thinking the problem was worse than before the people came (he had before and after pictures, demonstrating this, over years.
@Rjg4112nz-xl9qg that’s a very trite comment. He wasn’t an engineer. He was an expert on waves and coastal erosion. Precisely what one would need when assessing coastal erosion 🤷♀️
@@jansmith3158 Honolulu permitting department is quite corrupt. Developers likely greased palms as well as democrat officials made calls. I’m born and raised there. This is how the corruption flows.
It's not sea level rise! It's called erosion.
Sea levels ARE rising , look it up.
What do you think are the elements causing erosion?
@@timdowney6721 The level of the ocean doesn't need to rise for erosion to happen. Islands erode. That's just what happens.
All beaches erode or grow. Been doing that for millions of years.
@@Deontjie Just like the sea levels rising, there's a reason ocean fossils are found in mountains.
Freeport TX had this 20 years ago, all the properties are gone
This is a cash grab. They have a similar problem in the UK where home owners have to watch their homes fall into the sea because they aren't allowed to take measures to prevent erosion, whereas about a mile down the coast the very same constituency that enforces this have erected such barriers.
Its almost like the richer you are...the richer you get!
Who would build next to the sea like this?! Of course it will erode! It's only sand and the sea will always take it away!! 😮
This reminds me of the story in Santa Barbara where they built sea walls for the harbor entrance and then the erosion simply shifted to the south of it where there was a cemetery. Years later there were coffins protruding from the cliff and bones laying on the sand. Oops.
🤣 that's why I'm getting cremated
Sounds about right
That change affected the shore line all the way to Carp.
@@geothon exactly. The shifting will travel fir miles
Oh wow
Don't build your houses right on the view point, great in Summer but terrible in Winter storms, build back away from the shore and walk to your viewpoint.
Strange thing that the same people clambering about global warming and rising sea levels, build their houses right next to the ocean.
The beach at Tybee Island in Georgia was facing the same problem. For years DNR was dredging sand and trying to rebuild the beach that way, a very expensive process. What they finally did was install snow fences. This allowed the dunes to come back and the halt of erosion, although it's probably too late for the North Shore.
"We're filthy rich and we'll do what we want!"
Must suck to be in lack, hope you get back on your feet lol
@@rickyhammer6832 yer Mom wants you to move out of her basement.
This should be a lesson for all ocean front property. Nothing should be built within 1/2 - 1 mile from the shoreline. Same for low inland river properties. Ask me how I know. The problem is, Big dollar biz will end up owning it & allowed to build erosion control measures. Politicians get rich.
Mother Nature kicking ass as usual
1:00 North Carolina did that at the outer banks several decades ago. They began to put up artificial structures and barriers to prevent soil erosion on islands that were just gigantic sand bars sticking out of the water. And they had the same result. The barriers would prevent soil erosion in one area but cause the tide and currents to change speeding it up in others. I remember it being taught even at the public school level as lessons learned on what not to do to prevent soil erosion.
Jetties create the same issue... Nature bat's last!
you can see this effect in grade two when you're seven years old at the beach: build up one area or trench, the waves cause other areas to be affected!! no Eng. degree necessary.
I have no sympathy for these people you gambled on building an illegal unsafe structure and lost now go away and take your trash with you. Why it was allowed in the first place is beyond me. Follow the money.
That’s right very well said! 🎉
Why were you allowed to build where you live??
I wonder what your tune would be if the Government said to you one day your home is now non compliant.. MOVE IT now.. But we keep the land
This is and has been a problem for a long time, for various reasons, and there are even laws in most places that most people rarely hear or know about that allow the city/government to do what they want even if you own the property and a legally built house on it all they have to do is show good, LOL reason for the community etc... and your out on your ass. They may pay you likely below market for your property if at all if they are nice enough. @@tomwillis9051
@@tomwillis9051You don't think building directly on the beach is financially risky? WOW
It was allowed and they want millions.
Sunset beach has always had a very strong longshore currents . Anyone who has been in the water there knows that. The North shore has always had changing shore line due to these currents , it nothing new . So I fail to understand why you would construct a home close to the shoreline . If you ever been through a hurricane there I think you would opt to build somewhere else . I guess money has played a part in this , but nature doesn't care about your money .
That's why homeowners insurance is so expensive, especially in Florida, they let these people rebuild their houses on the beach after they get wiped out by a hurricane then they get wiped out again it's a vicious circle and the rest us have to finance these rich bastards.
Wrong. Beachfront property insurance is government subsidized in Florida as well as many other states. Without the beach homes theres no beach community and the economy in these areas would evaporate. The bars, restaurants, surf shops (same insurance btw) rely on these homes, especially in the off season. Without these subsidies insurance is unaffordable even for beachfront property owners and they wouldn’t build or rebuild. The taxes collected in these areas far outweigh the subsidies, which is why it’s appealing to government. It also pays for the more difficult roads, bridges, electricity, and water. It’s kinda like an economy stimulus strictly for beach areas.
One more thing, the taxes also pay for combing the beaches, building dunes to combat hurricane damage, and wildlife protection/restoration projects.
@@WhiskeyTango68 yeah the flood insurance that the State of Florida"taxpayers" subsidizes is billions of dollars underwater.
@@WhiskeyTango68 and the rich are not supporting the restaurants and bars and surf shops in the offseason which is summer in Florida they're in their mountain home supporting that community.
@@mocheeks709 the argument that Oceanside beach houses are empty in the off-season is asinine, so is the assumption that all
the evil “rich” all have second homes. Locals are what keep the businesses going in the off-season, same people you see jogging on the beach in December. My best friends grandparents bought their oceanfront condo on Myrtle beach in 1978 for about 350k, no second home and sold it after the grandfather died in 2014 for 1.4 million. The grandmother visited the small grocery store every morning, just one example out of millions.
Wait, so the state/city issued the per.its for the houses to be built, but they are now fining the residents of the homes for trying to protect their homes from erosion? That's the government in a nutshell.
🤷♀️Or, wealthy homeowners up the coast built “fixes” to protect their property but it’s affected homes down the coast
Yeah the government said they could build those houses there in 1959 when the high tide was 40 feet away.
And now that the buildings are not safe for occupancy.
It is the best interest in the homeowner to remove the building to another location.
They get to keep the house and they get to keep it 3 feet of water where their property is well where the high tide comes up to
If the "government" denied your permit, you would be screaming that they are denying your freedoms to do what you want with your property. The "government" did not cause sea levels to rise.
Don’t forget how the government turns a blind eye to Obama ruining Hawaiian shorelines
In this case, the sea level isn't rising, the land is eroding due to surf.@@chipsutcliffe7110
Was there no geotechnical report required/done before building? If there was and it was ignored, all subsequent costs (including cleanup of debris) is on the homeowner. If there wasn't or if the structures were approved, then cost should be on the municipality.
But I MUST be on the beach!!!
This has nothing to do with raising sea levels but everything to do with the action of the sea and sand.
So if I operate, say a restaurant without the proper licensing, and ignore fines while continue to operate. Then close my restaurant after many years, can I then ignore the fines and walk away?
Usually, those fines will follow you... with interest.
Its inevitable.
Fined because it causes danger to others.
In theory action will cause a reaction, build a sea wall and you will see sand shoreline erode quickly. Science brah..
Exactly.
There is a road along the outer perimeter of Oahu. The only structures that should be allowed between the road and the ocean are parking lots, restrooms and picnic tables. Everything else doesn’t really belong there.
That circle island road has quite a few places where there are houses between the road and the ocean. Most notably between Diamond head and Haunauma Bay (dam, I hope I spelled that right). Agreed. There are areas that are just too narrow, and properties that just encroach too far toward the water.
Entropy will always win in the end.
In the 1960s I remember seeing where the old Hwy 1 in California had been eroded out by the ocean reclaiming land.
Isn't that what erosion is, yet no one knew it when they built the houses ?? 🤔
ten years, twenty years down the line is a long time until tomorrow becomes today. then it's a problem.
🤔 perhaps this action should be applied to residential owners in Lanikai Beach, too❗️
Interesting part about lanikai is its setback. The shoreline does increase in summer and slim out in winter due to storms but no where as severe as on the north shore of Oahu
We need an orderly retreat away from our interface with rivers, streams, bays, and oceans.
Beach fronts, lakesides and rivers are for everyone, not just the few greedy rich!
The government tells us the sand is migrating and it can not be stopped. Why has the government recently hardened the coast line in Hau'ula to keep Kamehameha Hwy from falling in?
Find another path for that road, and THEN ask yourself why.
@@TimeSurfer206 they will have to tear down some homes just like they did to widen Kalaniana'ole Hwy. They expect the home owners at Rocky point to tear down their homes.
Older studies in Hawaii concluded that the barriers accelerate erosion overall- and laws were in place to address it- however a lack of enforcement requiring removal of the barriers by wealthy homeowners had been going on for years; and the loss of the residence was inevitable
Everybody around the globe piles sands and builds these "shoreline preservation" things on the coast and you guys get surprised when the water is higher on another beach somewhere else that didn't!? Hmmm. Strange species.
The water is not higher; the sand has been eroded.
Yes like in Dubai
Maybe the property owner should build something similar to a levee or large cement blocks to create a higher ground because sooner or later, they’re home is gonna be falling off into the ocean
Holy double styx, that's nuts! You got caught, own it! 😢
They do the same here in SoCal. Trash everywhere.
Why is the state calling the shot’s yet not doing anything to address this problem, useless bureaucrats !
It's the burden of the homeowner.
Because most of us don't want our tax dollars being spent to save millionaires homes. Besides that, what do you want them to do? They just said building structures to slow the erosion does not work. How about we stop building on beaches. They are literally building on sand.
The best option is to allow the seas to build up, or erode, the beach naturally. All beaches change. Either grow, or erode, sometimes both in succession. The US government has a policy that they will pay for damage to a beach front property. I assume only if it is legal.
communist run the US federal & Hawaii state government. most dont want to see this. Also, in Blue states and now many Red states.
Well... What, exactly, do you want them to do about it? Destroy the beach and replace it with massive walls (that will themselves need replacing within a lifetime)? Use everybody else's tax money to fund repeated repair/reconstruction of houses built where they shouldn't be? Tell everyone with enough intelligence to not put a house in the erosion zone "Sorry you were smart, but we have to hold off on your needs to help out those who weren't as caring/smart/aware"?
How many people cut trees bushes and landscape down to get a better view of the ocean?
But we got one guy on here talking about ocean rising 🤦
lol the ocean is not rising, the waters are being harsh in that area due to volcanic activity under the seabed. Many things cause eroded beachfront but never is it due to rising water levels.
Do you pay property taxes. Would think sticking post 10 feet deep could help
I commend KHNO2 for covering a story of the ocean eroding property without throwing in some climate catastrophe nonsense. Bravo.
hmmm that council says get your shat off your land !!! That land has to be bought back by the town !!! since they are claiming it a beach area now !!!
Guess it was fun while it lasted.
Weather is changing. Water is a sign of unprepared civilization !
Sea level is not rising the currents are changing enough to alter the landscape as it has for thousands of years
But you give a permit to Obama to build a huge sea wall around their property in Waimanalo?
"Sea level rise"? Nonsense. Erosion happens naturally on *all* shorelines. Sometimes it can be caused by the land sinking or rising but it is not caused by sea level rise.
Lol.
Exactly!
this has nothing to do with sea-level rise; this is natural erosion that happens along any beach, seawall, riverbank, lakefront, etc. It's what water does! all shorelines should be maintained as public property so everyone can enjoy them, then we wouldn't even have this problem or need to have this discussion at all
Cool! Now whats for sale?
Nobody can stop Mother Nature no matter what. This planet belongs to her.
This is not about sea level rise......this is about erosion.
What a bunch off Karens those City managers are! Worried about the waste, what a lack of common sense!
Why is it the weirdest uninspiring people that own these beautiful places?
envy is one of the sins.
@@сашай_плюс2 Rich interlopers need to leave now
The city and state share in the responsibility 1, they could have zoned the land for other uses 2, they were happy to collect the property taxes from these homes 3, they issued the building permits and gave the go ahead on the plans. If now they don't want ppl to save their homes then they should pay those ppl the value of the home as the set by their own tax assessor .
So taxpayers should hand over their money so these rich elitists can have beachfront views. Spend you own damn money, not mine!
In the mean time many original Hawaiians whose land were stolen from them are homeless.
Your story has become tiresome. 😢
Conquered, not stolen
They didn’t have to be homeless y’all don’t get tired dang! you make it sound like folks went in there took them homes from them and left them out in the st! Educate yourself it didn’t happen that way Karen!
@@user-ke9yk5qp3u Give back their land then.
@@hughjass1835 Not conquered, conned out of their land.
When weather like hurricanes,ocean waves, forest fires and rivers overflowing does damage to your home and property more than twice you should not receive money to repair it on the same sight. Move and rebuild in another place.
Twice in a 5 year period sounds fair enough. There could be exceptions if the home is specifically built to survive the most prevalent disaster type. I guess a home that resists wild fires would have to be underground. A home that resists sweeping floods would need to be well above ground. This is just in the USA where we have a lot of free acreage.
That’s crazy fast
So the council in this clip admits the land was not suitable to be built on and therefore was negligent in permitting the sale and building on the .and and was hitherto not intitled to any land taxes and rates it imposed on the land , as the current .and owners purchased the propertys in good faith and beleived the council aluations based on the taxes imposed
About 12 years ago, we rented one of those houses on Sunset Beach .. We paid $10K for 7 days.... No wonder they don't wanna tear them down... These "structures" make landlords millionaires. They will rather wait until these "structures" fall to the ocean
“We suggest you relocate your house 20 meters into the ocean to prevent a future calamity. We could generously offset the fines if you do.”
How about you cover this story about making Olowalu the permanent site to store 400,000 cubic yards of contaminated material.
Come to Bali and check Bingin out .
Keep letting all these new visitor moving to Hawaii live near the beach. That’s what they get.
The money is letting them
What is the state doing about the erosion ? Nothing for right now😮😮
Dam
That's why I choose not to live near the water they want so much money for taxes but they do so little God bless the world Jack from Maine
I grew up next to Kaya's in Punalu'u, and even as a little kid I always thought it was stupid to let people build homes on the makai side of the highway. But those homes have been there since long before I was a keike in the 80s.
Hawaii….the new Orange County🙌
It’s not see level rise it’s mother, nature cycling and you’re not supposed to build your house on Sandy dip shit shouldn’t the county permitting be at fault they’re the ones that permitted these houses to be there
Erosion is a natural occurrence. At some point the same govt now suing these homeowners also issued the building permits for these structures to be built. Try to think that one through.
Follow the law or move. Problem solved!
Why not allow anti-erosion structures?
Gonna save the planet one beach at a time, and enrich themselves at the same time, at homeowners expense. Are these Hawaiian people making these laws?
Nope. Hawaiians wouldn’t do that to each other because they would end up missing.
Sand mining to create artificial islands does not help. Neither do dams that impound the sediment destined for the ocean.
Opera gonna help out?
Make new laws to make them sell. Then the ones making the law buy the property then flip it
never buy a home with water right next to it lol
No sympathy....none....dopes!!
Hypocrites, when the road washes away the state builds retaining walls and repairs the road. But when privately owned state lands wash away they sit back and impose fines.
That road is used by just about everybody, it's a service for the entire community (possibly requested by that community) that allows easy access for emergency services, deliveries, and personal property. The choice to build a personal structure directly in the path of known major erosion is on the head of the person dumb enough to do it.
@@nairbvel so its dumb for the home owner to build his house next to the ocean but its not dumb for the state to build a road next to the ocean?
That's what's up! Mother nature will never make a compromise. So you're very fortunate that the city is willing to make a compromise 🤷🤘💞
ever dropped a stone in shallow flowing water?! it ofc accelerates the "sand drain" around the solid object! plus sand ontop of a slippery tarp gets washed awayeasier!... thats just physics...
This has been a problem across the world along ocean beaches, lakes, and rivers. There is no need to build anything so close to water or cliff edges or any place where Mother Nature requires space for natural (and man-made) changes. Floods, fire, erosion, volcanic flows, etc., will always happen. And are happening more often and on grander scales now more than ever.
In some places in northwest Europe, like Germany and Norway, they have decided to just get out of the way of rivers and allow them to run their natural courses rather than damming or re-routing them. And this has proven to be very valuable. Bringing back long-gone wetlands and ecosystems that humans have destroyed for the sake of wanting to live in places we don't belong, and eliminating flooding where people do live. The earth knows what it needs. It will correct itself always. We need to get out of nature's way and live in places where we are not only safe but will allow nature to reclaim it's territory and natural functions. And, of course, allow it to recover from human population. In fact, if we follow nature's lead, we have and will, find solutions to many of our modern problems.
I don't see any advantage to living on the edge of a cliff just for the view. This idea is slowly coming around and having a 'view' will no longer increase your property value in places like this. It will actually destroy it. Other than in overpopulated Asian countries, there is plenty of space to responsibly build housing without destroying the earth or putting lives in danger.
"Be Water, My Friend.."
All coastlines should ban building within 1 mile of the beach. Yes there are structures there now….but as each one gets destroyed…there should no longer be rebuilding….and this goes for hotels and businesses as well.
Why not make it 3 miles and as people move inland, they can displace those people who live there, and gentrify those houses for a higher quality of living, and as they displace inward from the circumference towards the center, that will create pressure on those who cannot afford the gentrification and eventually that pressure will reach a level where they are compressed into diamonds, which could then be used to put on the beach to prevent erosion
I guess we’re all supposed to know where TF this is.
Looks like a call to farmers insurance they've sen a thing or two. Loss of land and property will be a big insurance claim. Still curious as to how why the city allowed the permits for,the buildings and probably still collecting property taxes on them too.
Yeah, imagine that in 1959 they issued building permits without realizing that in 65 years the shoreline would be that close. Talk about short sighted.
To many people in a small area. Not rocket science.
The homeowners may need to sue mother nature .and make stroms illegal .
Allowing houses that close is idiotic