How Lily Potter Almost Chose Snape Over James
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Lily Potter was closer to choosing Snape than many of us think. Let's take a look at the situation in more detail today.
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Severus always loved Lily. I believe part of the problem was that he had no loving family to draw strength from. He was an outcast from the start plus after being sorted into different houses he became isolated from the one person who he was so close to. James made that worse by being where Severus wanted to be, close to Lily. I think it may have fueled the jealous. That plus the bullying set the stage for what caused the final riff between Lily and Severus. There was no excuse for causing so much pain in someone else's life, but his reaction was the results of his embarrassment. He lashed out at the nearest target, Lily.
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I absolutely agree. I think most people really throw Severus "under the bus" because he chose to become a Death Eater, but they don't realize how isolated and abused he was. It makes sense for him to have so much resentment after being targeted by the "good guys." It's really such a shame. Makes you think about the people that have lives like this in reality.
James mocked Snape for wanting to be in Slytherin and tried to trip him before they even got off of the Hogwarts Express.
Lucius Malfoy protected Snape from being bullied so it's no small wonder that Snape became a Death Eater when most, if not all, of the kindness he ever experienced during his years at Hogwarts was from future Death Eaters.
@@TheScienceguy77 Lucius was also the first person to make Snape feel accepted and welcomed.
I still cant believe she'd hold it against him for that long... She took it too much to heart when it came to her friend. I mean, she is Petunia's sister after all.
Oh boo-hoo I cant forgive my friend for calling me a mud blood once out of anger which is understandable considering the bullying he faced and his childhood and home life... But I really wanted my sister to forgive me and be ok in an instant and I dont know why.
She and Petunia are similar, they never forgive anyone for any minimal issue... They take it to their grave with that.
When did Lilly ever stand up to snape until that day? Is she really a friend? hmmm
Harry: My father was a brave man!!!!!!
Snape: Your father was a swine!!!!!!!
And he is right
Please Snivellus is a slimy snake 🤮🤮
Both were right !
@@beastmode1057 True!!!!
And he was. Snape did NOT lie. Everything I've read about James seems to scream "Swine". He just happened to be a rich, popular, privileged one.
I like to think that Lily Evans was a near Hatstall between Gryffindor and Hufflepuff. I’m saying Hufflepuff because Lily had a pure heart and saw the good in everyone and that’s what Hufflepuffs Do.
Alex Downs Hufflepuffs didn’t see the good in Harry in chamber of secrets and goblet of fire, and most of them in order of the Phoenix.
@@ethanalgicosathlonchannel1110 true although for the goblet of fire it's more that they were mad he took focus from Cedric
Chen Dror Yeah, coz in their eyes they were stealing the glory they thought Hufflepuff deserved after years of being underestimated as the supposed “House for the left-overs,” which they’re NOT.
@@YellowBear-kx1ff exactly yes
@@YellowBear-kx1ff nothing to do with the discussion but at the end of the day Ravenclaw is the least valued house, there is no one really who has marked the wizarding world as a 'hero' and who came from Ravenclaw. At least Newt was there at Hufflepuff. but yes I totally agree about the unfair fame of the Hufflepuff
If Snape had a better life with his mother and father things might have ended differently whether he got with Lily or not
He would have been less defensive of himself and would not have hated muggles, which would made it easier for him to make friends with Lily as well as Petunia without coming across as insulting them, which would have a big impact on his time at Hogwarts, he might have wanted to go into Ravenclaw instead of Slytherin, which means he would have possibly befriended James and Sirius and Lupin instead of Lucius Malfoy, Avery and Mulciber.
Yeah, it might have been better for him.
But not for the future of the wizarding world.
Because without him joining Voldemort there would not have been a prophecy in the first place, because it all started with him spying on Dumbledore and Trellawny.
Voldemort would have never been defeated without him knowing about the prophecy.
And the happyness of Snape was sacrificed by the fates for the greater good.
What bout Harry he also grew up in that kind of household
@@nuttydishwasher5377 Without Snape-spy in the picture, Voldemort would not know about the prophecy, but it would be said anyway. And despite what Dumbledore told Harry about prophecies only being valid if someone believes in them, when Trelawney gave her second prophecy, Wormtail had no idea about it, but he returned to Voldemort anyway. I'd say without Snape Voldemort would attack Harry anyway at some point, there still was Secret Keeper, Pettigrew, who could have learn the prophecy at some point. Because this way or another, Trelawney's prophecies, even some minor ones, had strange way to become true without much people believing in them...
But the truth is, when James saved Severus' life at school, he unknowingly shortened his own.
Yeah but Harry later had a good household and friends to strongly support him -and stop him from going to a wrong path.
Also he was more famous and loved and extra cared by all besides Snape
If Lily chose Severus instead of James then maybe the prophecy will be about Neville Longbottom.
But then there wouldn't have been a double spy working for Dumbledore.
Snape joining Voldemort and crossing back to the light side in the name of love was ESSENTIAL in defeating Voldemort.
Yea and maybe ... voldemort would win , since the only reason lily had a chance to run was because snape wanted it . Voldemort would have straight away used avada kedavra on frank , Alice and neville - or maybe since alice and frank were aurors they would have remembered to carry their wands and defied voldemort the fourth time - or the war would go on for another couple of decades because peter pettigrew wouldnt be the secret keeper and neville would grow up getting proper training to eventually defeat voldemort .
Or maybe it just won’t exist… Harry Potter’s strength kinda comes from the ‘cliche’ fact that his parents come from very different worlds, giving him unique strength.
Of maybe prophecy will be about lily / snape son ?
In my opinion, I don't think Lily would have chosen Snape, even if he never called her a mudblood. He was obsessed with the dark arts, and he wanted to become a death eater,etc. Lily, on the other hand, hated the dark arts, and anyone who used it. So, for these reasons, I truly believe that Lily would have never chosen Snape.
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Exactly. Plus, even if he made all the right choices, it doesn't guarantee she would grow romantic feelings for him.
@@Tasha9315 yep. Just because someone might make all the right choices in life, it doesn't necessarily mean that someone will fall in love with you.
@@tapuchris3329 True. That's why it annoys me when anyone tries to assert she would definitely fall for Snape if he made the right choices. Falling in love isn't just a person's character but also romantic and sexual attraction.
@@Tasha9315 it annoys me too
Whilst I don't condone some of Snape's actions, I do feel for him as a child and early teen, if he could have gotten over his prejudice he could have everything that he'd have hoped for
Kel J Yeah, but his love for Lily is...disturbing.
@@henrywayne5724 I never said it wasn't tbh, but I've never been in love myself so I can't really make any assumptions about love or obsession. I just think that he could have been a better person, given the right opportunity but I don't deny that it wasn't the healthy type of love
I don’t think he had prejudice against anyone, he was just lost and the Dark side got to him. I mean if he joined the OOTP they couldn’t get along since most of them didn’t like Snape. He’d only have Dumbledore on his side and they rest would be effy about him joining.
Yes, there is a high possibility that if Snape didn't call her a mudblood, she would've still be friends with him, though I don't think that Lily would ever fall inlove with him because she hated dark magic and the ones who use it, and even if Snape did all the right choices, I think that Lily would only see him as a friend rather than a love interest.
@@hernameisalive69 i agree
Harry Snape just doesn't have the same ring to it
What about Harrison Snape? or maybe a totally different name to start with
@@ReallyAverageJoe realistically they probably wouldn't have named him Harry. The name just made me giggle.
It’s Severus
@@crow_g1639 lol I know if Severus married Lily that would make their son's last name Snape. If they decided to name him Harry that would make him Harry Snape.
Kevin Anderson Well plot would have not let that happen which makes snape stories even sadder.
I love seeing flashbacks to each Harry Potter we may or may not know.
Seriously, Severus should have left England ad soon as he graduated. He clearly had the potential to become a fantastic scientist, but because of abusive parents, negligent teachers, constant bullying, and hydraulic peer pressure, the poor kid never a chance on that mud hole island.
Voldemort would have ruled the world if he hadn't joined the Deatheaters and later decided to defect to the light in the name of love.
It was his destiny, as shitty and unfair as it was.
In my heart. Snape was planing his death, and as someone who know how to du antidotums and other potions, he faked his death. He know what Voldemort will do.
He feel guilty all his life for death of his best friend witch one he loved. So when he done with his role in defeat Voldemort and protecting Harry he just leave and start new life. Maybe even find a love
@jupiter4025 He was carrying his past with him. By leaving England, he would have finally been able to let it go and start anew.
@jupiter4025 It helps if you have a past you're trying to forget though.
I just wanted to say Petunia really wanted to be a witch and that’s when she turned against Lily when Dumbledore gently told her she wouldn’t be able to go to Hogwarts.
We do not know the whole background story of Petunia’s background but it’s safe to say that she was an average child but her sister was already a gifted child long before Lily came to discover that she was a witch and it’s likely that Lily was their parents favorite child from earlier on. I think their parents overlooked just how left out Petunia felt resulting into one of the most epic sibling rivalry in literature and more so between sisters.
I'd also be interested in Vernon's background, He does not seem like your typical muggle. His contempt for magic hints at some kind of prior history.
Severus Snape is actually one of my favorite characters in Harry Potter and there's no doubt in my mind that no matter what happened in the past he would always love Lily Potter more than anyone or anything, even if in the end they didn't find a way to fix their friendship and end up together. The fact that Severus was still willing to keep Harry Potter alive for as long as he could to preserve the memory of Lily since he was basically the last thing of Lily Potter that Severus had left makes me feel so wonderful inside. Severus Snape deserved so much more not just from Lily but from everyone else as well, and more than anything he most certainly deserved all the love and appreciation he could get. Poor, poor Severus. Wonderful video by the way.
I remember that in the novel, lily asked Severus to stop learning dark arts but he never stop... He has a dark heart but doesn’t want to change for lily or grow, I think this is also one of the reason lily chose James over Severus
Btw I wish lily and Severus will end up together maybe in another parallel universe😭😭
I love how Snape and James' stories parallel each other. Before, Snape was the outcast who was close to Lily, and James the egotistical popular guy that they both depised. However, Snape eventually loses Lily's friendship, and James matures enough for Lily to fall for him. 💘🥰
it bothers me that people see Lily as some sort of pure righteous beacon of hope when it's entirely possible that Lily was with James WHILE he was a jackass. People can't help what they're attracted to
@@ricemenarq6230 It was the writer who said James matured before they got together.
@@ricemenarq6230 yeah but then in prisoner of azkaban lupin calls lily an uncommonly kind person so it really mixes up opinions , not to mention she freaking gave up herself for her child although then again any good mum would do that .
Lily was a terrible friend. She knew Severus was poor, possibly abused. since they were young childhood friends. Then she knew and watched him get bullied, for years by the same FOUR boys of her peers in Gryffindor. She also knew that his peers and Slytherin where terrible people, that severus still preferred to be with Lily over other Slytherins. yet somehow she still falls for the ring leader boy of the group of bullies who hunted and maliciously targeted her childhood best friend for years. even if severus called her a mudblood out of misplaced anger after being assaulted for the 1000th time. she should never have married James, you don't just grow out of that kind of horrible behavior. Sirius almost murdered Severus, using Remus as the weapon to where James had to save him. But James only saved Severus to save Remus and Sirius I'm going to prison for murder.
@@daniharkness00 You can in fact grow out of behavior. You can argue that the behavior should not be forgiven but it can definitely be grown out of.
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You know what I've been wondering... How did Harry survive the emotional abuse of the Dursley's? He was with them since he was just barely over the age of one. Was Aunt Petunia nurturing to him at any point? Did he and Dudley get along when they were younger... at all?
I had a messed up childhood and I can't tell you how much therapy I had to go through 😅 just want your thoughts.. I haven't checked to see if JK addressed any of it prior. Mental health isn't something to ignore especially in kids... I mean look how Riddle turned out! Lol
I agree. It is hard to understand how Harry survived with a pure heart after so much abuse from the Dursley's. The explanation JK gives in the books is that Harry had the very early experience of two loving parents, who were great people. And, of course, the magical impact of his mother's sacrifice of her life to save him. When Harry finally meets good, caring people he immediately is able to benefit and he seeks out caring friends and mentors. Harry Potter is a literary creation. In some ways, he reminds me of Oliver Twist by Charles Dickens, who is an orphan brought up in the work house, but still maintains a pure heart. Riddle, on the other hand, is the child of a broken mother and a heartless father. There is an emphasis on the fact that his mother didn't use magic to save herself and protect Tom Riddle. He ends up having a narcissistic, cruel, heartless personality. In real life, I agree with you that individuals who suffer abusive childhoods need the help of therapy. Reading books and watching movies like Harry Potter can be helpful in understanding ourselves and our relationships--especially in gaining perspective and learning to understand others and ourselves, survive and heal from abuse and trauma.
@you're totally right wow your @ name is sure fitting.
Child psychology is very interesting and can complex because yes everyone is different.
Harry wasn't perfect but I feel like even the little flaws he had were so minor to the neglect and abuse he experienced. If @lindataylor was correct then it definitely had something to go with the fact it's well... a magical world and maybe the love sacrifice spell was strong enough to keep Harry untainted. I've worked and been around enough children who suffer self esteem issues and PTSD issues all ranging from minor to severe due to neglect and abuse to know Magic is gonna need to be in effect here. And I would love his take on it on his channel.
No one should stop working on themselves and I've been one heck of a survivor myself.
Mental health is a very serious issue especially in today's World. Whether you meant to come off as brash or not I really wish you would not brush aside anyone's story without knowing it.
My early childhood escape was into the magical world of Harry Potter because I understood what he was going through due to Empathy. Maybe she meant these books for children like me. A light at the end of the tunnel? Hope? Maybe to make his character stronger so Children like me could strive to work through our problems and not just survive but thrive?
That's all I'm gonna say on that.
I grew up in an abusive home, my dad used to hurt my mum and us kids. My brother and sister both have a spark to fight back, I’m different completely and still very soft hearted. I couldn’t hurt anyone, sometimes people react differently to situations and that’s what makes us all unique
@@katjayne4757 I'm so very glad to hear that and I'm sorry you went through that. I also experienced a similar situation. I was taken away from my drug addict parents (abusive alcoholic father) and jumped around in the system until I was adopted to some of family members. I still had to go through years of therapy and medication. Mental health issues besides drug abuse runs in my family. It's a constant struggle but I have never gone down that bad path and I give much more then I get in relationships which is hard because it's draining. I've been setting boundaries for myself and things are better because of it.
@@cassafrass7928 I admire your courage in seeking help and following a positive path including therapy. I've also spent many years in therapy dealing with childhood abuse. I definitely believe that reading books like Harry Potter, watching movies, etc. are an important part of the process of understanding, healing, recovery. The act of identification with characters is very powerful. It expands our life experience and our hearts. I also agree that in 'real life' a boy like Harry Potter might be different and not so untouched by abuse. In the later books, when he is older and he has friends and mentors, Harry does go though an angry period--lashing out at the people who love him. This may be helpful for some readers to understand why Harry is so angry--that the anger goes back to his abusive childhood as well as immediate causes. JK Rowling affirms all kinds of magic in the world. One of my favorite lines in the last book is when Harry asks Dumbledore: "Is this real? Or has this been happening inside my head?" "Of course it is happening inside your head, Harry, but why on earth should that mean that it is not real?” Thanks for your original post which asked a question I have always thought about myself.
The reason Lily chose James over Severus, is actually very simple. James changed for the better, and Severus changed for the worse.
James learned to lie to her better. Snape spent a generation redeeming himself when there was nothing in it for him.
Also Lily loved James you can’t choose who you love
@@natalialogan3023 Let's face it, she needed bodyguards and a meal ticket, too.
@@divyanshirathore1262 Snape was in order, too. Lily ignored Snape after he was almost killed and smiled when he was bullied, while they were still supposed to be friends.
@@divyanshirathore1262 Even Hagrid and McGonagall did worse things to children than insult them, and surely asking Voldy to spare the child who is a threat to him would have gone over well. Lily and James were even invited to the DE, though.
Lily flourished, blossomed and grew at her time in hogwarts. Snape on the other hand, had almost no friends, got bullied and befriended bad people to get some recognition. When their friendshio drifted apart, lily was in much better position. Snape hated himself for what he said, but it was too late.
I Believe it was the loss of his parents to Dragonpox that made James grow up before his 7th year. He spend that entire summer with his parents as their lives faded away. Lily saw this change in James, this forced maturity. Her heart went out to him over the loss of his parents, which she didn't learn about until their final year at Hogwarts started.
I always thought Lily calling James out on his faults made James realize how arrogant and big-headed he was and led to him deflating his head. And plus, he matured naturally with age.
@@Tasha9315 Remember, James was a very privileged child of very elderly parents (both were over 50 when he was born). So James had the run of the house most of the time. His friends could come and visit at anytime...day or night. He could come as go as he pleased as his matured through his teens. James was 3verything Lily despised. But his parents death, whom he adored, hit him very hard. That changed James attitude and behavior....except in regards to Snape.
@@myyklmax True, but his parents only died after he got married. That's why I say it's possible Lily's rejection and harsh words towards towards him got to realize how arrogant and bad he was and gradually dial it down along with maturing with age. Rowling said Lily was great for James and made him a lot less spoilt.
@@Tasha9315 Lily didn't really give James a chance until the 'mudblood' incident with Snape after his duel against the Marauders. Snape was merciless toward James, even after disarming and injuring him. Snape began to torture james needlessly before preparing to kill him.....until Lily arrived to stop Snape.
@@myyklmax That was a Fan film you are referencing.
My lovely bride of over 35 years means the world to me and I know how lucky I am as my previous relationships were a pale comparison. Hypothetically, were I to have made the mistake of alienating her before we got married I could see me very much like Snape in my unrequited love. While I may have attempted a subsequent relationship I highly doubt it would have ever been as meaningful.
Just a thought, what if (and this is a really big 'WHAT IF') both Severus and Lily hadn't been sorted into either Gryffindor or Slytherin, but instead, were both sorted into Ravenclaw House, as I can definitely see Snape as a potential Ravenclaw. But what if Lily herself had shown to be more of the clever and witty type, as well? If so, would she and Severus end up in the same House together: in Ravenclaw? Let me know what you all think of this idea.
I've toyed around with a slytherin lily (let's just say lily took snape's advice of slytherin being the best house to heart) . But I'm pretty sure that with being constantly hated for her blood status there and perhaps even attacked she would react in some way . She would eventually break . And since lily is headstrong and stubborn instead of leaving she would eventually start rebelling in slytherin and causing trouble to her housemates . Whether she and snape would get together or not I dont know since lily only ever had platonic feelings for him and I'm pretty sire their friendship wouldnt last anyways since this lily would hate death eaters even more -enough to abandon her best friend . Upon graduating she would join the order like canon but fight in a more ruthless manner . James and lily might get together if james looks at his prejudice but either ways they'd be partners on the battlefield . And Neville would most likely be the prophecy child unless james marries another woman or some other unfortunate couple has a child due at the end of july .
I like it
I feel so bad for Snape, he did not deserve what happened to him
Yes he did. He was a wizarding nazi, probably killed a bunch of innocents and was responsible for more dying, only turned against them because the girl he creeped after was killed, he resented a girl because she didn't like him back because he liked her and was nice to her which obviously means hes entitled to her now, he bullied a child because his dad was mean to him when he was younger. Snape is straight up toxic and for some reason a bunch of morons seem to worship him.
@@tomosprey8 Excuse me, I worship him and see him as very brave and as a hero!
i agree, he did not deserve all of the hate
I always wonder if Snape used the Resurrection Stone and saw Lily what would they talk about. Would he apologize? Would Lily know how he had treated her son? Maybe this could be a good topic for a video.
Me tooooo! I constantly wonder that! But there no one that touch on what might be said if snake reconnected with lily, and/or even James! That would be a trip! I want that too.
You are absolutely right. Snape went one bridge too far by calling Lily a mudblood, and it could not be taken back.
I could understand why Lily chose James over Snape. During early years he was a bully. No defense there. But people do mature and grow out of that phase. I can't brush off his deeds, but people do mature. Lily and James were thrown in together a lot more owing to being in the same house. Mind you, she didn't like him in the beginning, only in the 7th yr they went out. Many times it happens right? We're attracted to people who are slightly opposite to us/bad guys. And over the period, she just probably fell in love with James.
Though James was a bully, I think he bullied Snape little extra because he was jealous that Lily would choose Snape over him. Not an excuse, but that's how bullies are. Not strong, but show off as strong.
Snape came from a broken family, his emotional development isn't on par with his peers. Thanks to that, he couldn't express his anger, pain, happiness and sorrow openly. If he could've communicated better with Lily, he could've told how he came to trust the people around him - "Death eaters' gang". Probably Lily would've understood then that James bullying was pushing him into Dark Arts and not because he was interested in it. He felt powerless and hated that feeling. Lily was also of same age. How will she understand such complicated stuff? She didn't like James for bullying Snape. But she only saw him as a friend in a different house. It's very tough for any person to be in a normal and friendly relationship with a brooding person. Her friends never understood, because it's easy to be friends with someone like James than Snape. Still she tried her best.
And moreover every house and its members have their broad bias against other houses. Remember how Harry got two different views about Hogwarts houses? In the Book 1, he'll meet anonymous boy (Malfoy) who had pride for Slytherin house , Harry feels gloomy that he's dull probably will be put in Hufflepuff and Hagrid tells better Hufflepuff than Slytherin. Even before Harry got to know about what each house stood for, his impressions, people's words and his own mind rejected Slytherin. It could've been similar for Lily too. She trusted Snape, but she didn't feel right about Slytherin and his gang who were creepy. They might've fought a lot more. Calling her mudblood was probably the last straw. Lily was right one way- if Snape and his gang could call Muggle borns as Mudbloods, she is same too right? Even if he valued her immensely, she might've felt that moment probably Snape didn't respect her.
On the whole, I felt sad for Snape. A real lot. He's the one who never had anything, never gained anything... Voldemort just used him.
Well put I agree Snape just had no luck in his life and it sad because he had the most potential to be great out of anyone in the series. I wish he could’ve lived to overcome his trauma be the better man and lead the Hogwarts as a proper successor to Dumbledore. Alas what could’ve been
Excellent work,I believe a lot of ,Snape's Darkness and foulness started at home his father beat and abused him and his mother.he probably felt helpless ,the dark arts made him feel like he could control the world around him,and would allow him to have the power to stop his father's abuse.
I can closely relate to Lily’s character with events that have taken place in my own life.
What you went to Hogwarts and two wizards was fighting over you
arthur morgan Lmfaoo 😂🤣🤦🏽♂️ on wha thou
arthur morgan Exactly. 🤣
I got compared to Snape by a work mate last week... Hated the comparison at first but fine-ish with it now as I can certainly see things from his perspective best
@@ChelseaH1 please say you chose snape
The only reason snape turned a death eater was because on the good sides u had guys like James and Sirius who were a bunch of bullies hexing around everyone. Making snape’s life miserable he had no choice but to join the side who atleast shielded him from them. However lily went on to marry the guy who made snape’s life miserable . Imagine the pain Severus bested through to see his love go to his worst enemy.
Ummm, during school, before she stopped being his friend, Snape was hanging out with the racists at school. Before she got with James, she wanted Snape to quit the dark arts stuff and the bullying stuff. He didn't. Then, when she tried to stand up for him, he called her a slur to save face with the racists. Snape chose to hang with her only in secret. It was the combination of all of this, and then finally calling her a slur, that she ended their relationship. She kept rejecting James for being a bully. The movies (and this videos) portray James and Snape's relationship as one sided bully despite them going back and forth in the books. And he wasn't lashing out in the books, it was more of a comeback to James then a rage at Lily.
He drove her away. He made and choices. The "only" reason he joined the death eaters is bc it made him feel respected and powerful. That's why he did it in school, that's why he joined when he left.
Lily never showed any signs of having romantic feelings for Snape. Even if he made all the right choices, it doesn't guarantee she would fall for him. The only way Snape would stand a chance of staying in Lily's life if he wasn't heading to be a DE. And since Lily would have joined the Order anyways, she can't ostracize James, her fellow Order member. She would expect them both to grow up and make peace. And James and Snape might have made peace if Snape never became a DE or joined the Order. Which would go back to giving James a chance with Lily.
Snape would have never became a death eater had he not been abused, neglected, judged for where he came from, mocked because of his appearance and poverty, bullied and sexually humiliated and harrassed by James and Sirius, almost mauled to death by the marauders and forced to keep quiet by the headmaster and had he not been sorted into Slytherin and made friends with Lucius, the first person in his miserable, and lonely life to ever befriend and accept him other than Lily. Lets not forget that Snape was just mindinf his own busineess in Snape's worse memory when James and Sirius decided to gang up on him, calling him a degrading name they've called him from day one causing Snape to go into defensive mode, lets not forget that it was James who had tortured, to get Lily's attention, then blackmail Lily to go out with him using Snape as a ransom, then threaten ro hex her when she takes her wand out to defend Snape, lets not forget that James had publicly sexually humilated and harrassed Snape. Lastlt, let's not forget that James had made two prejudice comments on slytherin students just after Snape only tells Lily she better be in Slytherin, then tried to trip Snape up when he was leaving the compartment after Snape had made one remark on Gryffindor as a witty comeback. Had James not been arrogant, prejudice and left Snape alone they wouldn't have any animosity between James and Snape. Had James went over to Snape to apologise instead of to entertain Sirius plus gain Lily's attention to blackmail her to go out with him, then they would have been able to make peace and Snape would not have felt as if the only option he had after Hogwarts where he could feel included into society was joining the death eaters as he would have been more inclined to join the Order. Had Dumbledore done his job as headmaster and stopped the bullying, Snape would have not become a death eater. Had Lily and Lupin actually done their jobs as prefects and stopped the bullying then Snape would have been less inclined to join the death eaters. Had his parents loved him enough not to abuse and neglect him, he would have been less inclined to join the death eaters.
@@marie.naturallysims2179 Are you saying Snape is not at fault for anything? You say he wouldn't have become a DE if weren't for those things, but we don't know that for sure. Not all DEs were from abusive homes. If his upbringing and environment were reasons for his actions, the same can be said for James. Even James could arguably have not been a bully if he was raised better with more boundaries and discipline.
James only said he would hex Lily if she hexed him first. Even if she was defending Snape, the point is he only said he'd hex her if she hexed him first. He didn't hex her for verbally defending Snape.
James took advantage of the situation to try an exchange a date for stopping something he was already doing anyways when she asked him to stop. He didn't attack Snape to blackmail her. And if he was all that serious about blackmailing her, he wouldn't have let Snape go after one no. He would have continued insisting she said yes before he let Snape go.
But my point isn't that James's actions weren't despicable or that Snape didn't have understandable reasons for his actions. My point is that James did improve from that. He wasn't doing such things anymore.
@@Tasha9315 most death eaters like Draco and Regulus, Lucius, Avery and Mulciber for instance, Crabbe jr, Goyle Junior or became death eaters because they had relatives/parents who were death eaters and were told good things about Voldemort. Snape he didn't have parents, but he did have friends in his hogwarts house who were basically meant to be like his family for a whole seven years. "The sorting is a very umportant ceremony because, while you are here, your house will be something like your family within Hogwarts." -McGonagall, philospher's stone, the sorting hat. That whole sentence right there would have a been a big impact for someone like Snape, especially with what we see happens after his sorting, Lucius Malfoy a prefect and pureblood welcomes him into Slytherin-thats going to be a big impact on Snape who's never felt accepted or welcomed anywhere. His father surely didn't. Kids at the park surely didn't-Petunia looks down on his neighbourhood before Snape insults her. And in the next scene she mocks his poverty and neglect.And on the train he's already been bullied by prejudice kids just because of a house prefrence. Basically, Snape didn't have much opportunity to not be drawn down the dark path. Had he been sorted anywhere else, he would have had less friends with relatives who were death eaters, had he had loving parents he wouldn't have tried to distance himself from his muggle background the same way Sirius did with Slytherin because of his home life. Had he not been bullied two against one, four against one, he would have felt less vulnerable and seeked acceptance by his friends in slytherin. Had the teachers done their job or had Lupin and Lily used their prefect privledges or done more to stop James and Sirius, Snape would have felt less worthless less like the only option to feel accepted was the death eaters. Snape became a death eater because he was vulnerable and wanted acceptance. This was said by JK Rowling. So yes, his past experiences are what drove him to become a death eater as the only ones that accepted him and befriended him apart from Lily were people like Lucius. No one else did. Adults didn't care about him. 3/4 of the school didn't care as he was a slytherin. The teachers didn't care nor did his head of house or his parents or Lily's parents or Lily. So again, yes Snape was driven to the death eaters because they accepted him, an abused and neglected child. The same way Lupin couldnt stand up to his friends even though he knew what they were doing was wrong, because he felt accepted for the first time in his life for who he is. The same way Harry was constantly putting his life at risk for Hagrid because he was the first person to befriend him. So again yes, Snape became a death eater because he was vulnerable and wanted acceptance and his childhood and the traumas he went through in his teen years is what drove him to become a death eater. Had he been given his time over again, Snape would not have become a death eater. This was also said by JK Rowling.
@@Tasha9315 james could not be arguable excused. Why? Because he wasn't bullied, tortured, almost killed twice, publicly sexually harrassed and humilated, mocked for his appearance. He was spoiled. Wealthy, and was never bullied two against one or four against one plus he had teachers on his side and wasn't sorted into a house that was judged by 3/4 of the school because of some bad apples and had loads of opportunities to change his ways before seventh year. After Sirius had recklessly endangered James, Lupin and Snape for instance, James could have decided enough was enough and left Snape alone. When he had feelings for Lily he could have tried to get along with Snape or at least called a truce between them and could have started to call him Snape instead of a degrading name he and Sirius have called him from day one every time they gang up on him to the point where it's ingrained in his mind. Not saying James was evil-he did a lot of bad as a teenager but he definitely did change at some point and he did do some good things as a teenager like befriending and acceptinng Lupin, becoming an animagus for Lupin, taking Sirius into his own home and family. His change was most likely due to the rising war. Snape due to circumstances shows he has changed after his actions by turning spy for the light to ensure Lily and her family were safe and hidden-that was his opportunity to change his ways, to climb out of a dark whole that he had fallen into. The prophecy and Lily being in danger was his way out, just like Kreacher was Regulus's way out, just like Ariana's death was Dumbledore's way out. Afterwards, he stayed a spy for the order and protecting her son after Lily and James' were killed, keeping Sirius's place of hiding secret from the ministry, stopping a death eater from killing Lupin, accepting Lily's choice of marriage to the point where he calls her by her married name, uses his knowledge of the dark arts to save as many people as he could, saving his students in any way he could and trusting Dumbledore who became his mentor instead of trusting Lucius or Voldemort.
Lily taking her wand out is no excuse for James to threaten to hex her. He was in the wrong, he was the one who ganged up on her friend. And yes James's behaviour in that memory was because he wanted to get into Lily's pants. Hence why he kept on glancing over at the lake where she was and messing up his hair before he ganged up on Snape, during that and when she came to her friend's aid. Never mind the fact that after Lily turned him down, he had sexually humiliated Snape then after Lily yells at James and leaves, James angrily thinks about sexually harrassing Snape publicly. "Who wants to see me take off Snivelly's pants."
Snape's faults as a teenager, were creating spells like levicorpus and sectumsempra, calling muggleborns mudbloods, and not understanding why Lily wouldn't like him joining the death eaters.
His faults as an adult was his behaviour towards Harry, Hermione, Ron and Neville.
@@marie.naturallysims2179 I didn't say James should be excused. I meant that if Snape's background explains his actions, James's background also explains his. And that James could also have better in a different upbringing/environment too just like Snape.
Yes, but isn't it possible for Snape to be led astray by his fellow Slytherins even if he wasn't bullied/abused? If he could have found acceptance within non-DE Slyhterins without being bullied/abused, is there a reason why he couldn't with being bullied/abused.
But I do mostly agree with you. I do sympathize with Snape. My point simply is that James did improve from his 16 year old behavior.
I love watching/reading the backstory of characters, only wish there were more moments shown when the adults were younger. Love the video!
Snape wasn't peer pressured into bullying and making fun of muggle borns, those were his beliefs. That is who snape was. Snape was obsessed with Lily, not in love with her. If the worst of snape was someone who would call the woman he was supposed to be in love with a mudblood, then that's who he really was inside. The worst of James would be him flat out saying he disliked snape because of who he associated with and his use of the dark arts. He'd never call Lilly a mudblood like snape did. What actually gave James the chance was the fact that James actually matured into an adult. Snape never did. He remained an asshole and a bully, especially as a teacher. While James was still in school he saved snape from being killed by Lupin. Snape, after leaving hogwarts and joining the death eaters, told voldemort about the prophecy and was completely fine with voldemort killing james and harry, so long as lilly was left alive. Because of shit that happened in school snape was fine with the man who saved his life be killed and their son, so long as he could have another try at getting lilly. That's not a man who loves someone. That's a man obsessed with someone and who would do anything to have them.
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Snape had no reason to ask Voldemort to spare James, and he was not brainless or suicidal enough to ask him to spare Harry, the child prophesized to possibly defeat him. Think what you will of his morality, but condemning him for having a mental capacity greater than that of a lobotomized eggplant is just plain idiotic.
@@Darth_Moraband It's not that he should have asked Voldy to spate James and Harry. But that he delivered prophesy that put an infant and the infant's parent's lives in danger. And that he became a DE. And bullied his students.
@@Darth_Moraband Snape told voldemort about the prophecy, putting lilly and her family in danger. If he actually gave a shit he wouldn't of told voldemort. James also saved his life when they were young so that along with his supposed love for lilly should of been enough. But no, he still told voldemort about the prophecy and sealed their fates. And considering he was a master in legilimency and occlumency so he could of hidden that from voldemort. But he didn't, because he's actually a shitty person who was obsessed with lilly.
@@Tasha9315 As I said, say what you will of his morality; he's not a good, much less nice, person. As the maker of this video said, he joined the Death Eaters to feel important. He probably gave the prophecy to Voldemort to feel even more important, rather like Peter Pettigrew.
Yes, he bullied his students. Yes, that is bad. It is also understandable, albeit in no way justified, as he was only at Hogwarts because he was ordered to be by both of his masters/leaders, not because he wanted to be. This is what happens when you make a very bitter and spiteful person work at a school and teach a subject they have no interest in teaching: they do their best to make everyone as miserable as they are.
Snape saved Lily’s sons life. Let’s see James Potter do that.
James died for his family. Snape is the reason Lily and James are dead. Snape got Lily killed. The heck are you on about?
The one thing I dislike when having this discussion is that people always leave out a piece of information when saying that James matured and became a better person. Why does everyone forget that it literally says in the books that he was still bullying Snape after being with Lily?!
I think it was Sirius who said that Snape was a "special case" and somehow everyone thinks that it's totally fine. Lily got together with him because she thought he was a better person but he just became a better liar.
No, that's not the case. Snape would never miss a chance to get James even if James stopped bullying him. That's why I believe James truly did change for Lily but as Remus said, Snape was still a different case. Both James and Snape hated each other so much. If you ask James to stop getting Snape, it's like you ask Harry to be Malfoy's servant. They would never do it. Snape also wanted to get James and lot expelled from Hogwarts, he was no less. He also attacked James when he was looking away, Snape was not a kid who couldn't defend himself. I am not saying that James was right in bullying Snape, but still, both of them hated each other so much that they couldn't stop attacking each other even after James truly changed. So, in my opinion, James really did change.
Your right making time and having time is very different having time to have nothing else to do which means that you can always be with them but lily made time for snape it meant that he was important to her she put stuff aside that she really probly wanted to do for him she made time for him.
If such a twist did not happen Harry Potter would book would have been boring
'Mr and Mrs Snape, Spinner's End, were proud to say that they were perfectly normal, thank you very much. THE END'
Snape wasn't evil just misunderstood. If I was in Lily's place I would have chosen Snape over James no matter what Snape had said in just a passing moment of anger.
Rubbish, absolute rubbish. Don't give me the bullshit "James traumatized Snape" nonsense, because it is simply untrue and non-canon. James never made Snape become a Death Eater, that was down to Snape alone. James also never "stole" Lily from Snape, Lily chose to be with James. Snape losing his friendship with Lily is nobody's fault but his own. Snape was a racist Death Eater nazi through and through, and he had no problems with it until he got Lily endangered (and eventually killed). James was a lot braver and ten times the person Snape ever was. Unlike Snape, James was never bigoted and he always stood up for groups that were being discriminated against (e.g. werewolves and muggle-borns) and for the poor. Instead of being a Death Eater like that low life Snivellus, James became an Order of the Phoenix member to stop Death Eaters like Snivellus Snape, and to protect discriminated groups like Lily and Remus.
@@paulyb7267 you may not have been replying to what I said . But when someone suffers from anxiety depression bi poler, pick your poison, snape personifies what people feel like when that way. Have you ever wondered why people who dress in goth dress the way they do? I like snape for the same reasons why I like Anne Rice's vampires in the vampire Chronicles and the new tails of the vampires plus I was married to an abuser at one point. He's Dead Now. Karma punished him for abusing me or you could say God punished him. Depending on your faith. Aside from a financial story. Reality is those who become abusers are usually abused and neglected themselves. Unless born with a mental disorder that effects emotions wich they cannot control neurological disorders cannot be cured unless they surgicaly get a new brain.
I'm starting to think that Lily had narcissistic personality disorder. If you listen to her sister's side. And later on in the flash backs from the movies, she acted like she was too good for everyone else that were her old friends and her family. I have only seen the movie's because the books don't interest me as much as Anne Rice's novels , of wich I have read 6 and some more than once. I wonder how Harry Potter novels would have turned out if Anne Rice had written them.
@@amandawolfstar1982”I’m starting to think” maybe think less because that is a REACH lmao
Honestly if they were truly the closest of friends, calling eachother a derogatory term shouldn't be the reason to end a friendship especially considering Snape said it out of frustration and didn't actually mean it.
There was probably something else behind the scenes and the mudblood incident was just used as an excuse
of course
it was clear that their friendship was already broken before snape called lily mudblood . he wanted to join Voldemort. it was just the final step that cut the last string
Yea he did even apologise for her but she wasn’t listening
@Melissa Waterman Tecnically in this metaphore he would be a bi racial child bullied by white jocks.
I am not saying that this make the insult ok! Lily, anyone, can choose to end friendships with anyone, for any reasons.
I am saying that Rowling is not any good with history, culture, metaphores, ecc.
She keep saying how muggleborn are discriminated but we only saw Hermione having congratulations from everyone and becoming Minister of Magic in Cursed Child. With the exception of Voldemort taking control, it is only bad comments from Draco and purebloods! Not that insults are ok, but muggleborns really seems to have all the rights that other wizards have.
Meanwhile Muggles and Squibs, are really being treated like sh*t, oblivinated, hexed (Harry hex Filch being his back for cheer), insulted (Hagrid insults Filch for being a squib), isolated (Molly's squib cousin they never talk about) and Neville is almost killed by his uncle because suspected squib, and then you start to suspect how many children were abused or even killed because of it, (Ariana's isolament?).
Meanwhile all this in the book is treated all like LOL or routine.
It is all a mess!
I think if, before Snape called Lily a mudblood, if Lily would've given Snape an ultimate ultimatum for him to choose between her (& their friendship) and the dark arts and he knew she was being serious, then I think he would've chosen Lily. I think that if she would've done this, he would've thought of what his life would be like without her and realize that's not what he wants and doesn't want to do something that he would regret to push her away for good (aka calling her the m word).
If he would've chosen Lily, from Lily's ultimatum, I think Lily would've seen that she means more to Severus than his interest in the dark arts means to him. Snape never told Lily his feelings, but I think if this scenario would've happened, it would've made his feelings clear to her, and that he really cares for/about her more than anything. It would've shown a caring side to Lily she never seen before.
Perhaps, it may've made Lily see Snape in a different light aka as more than friends. But would she grow to have romantic feelings for her best friend and choose to be with him? I don't know. If Snape showed Lily that he would stop calling other muggleborns the m word and that he's a good person/change to be the type of person she would want to be with romantically, then maybe.
Me: reads the title.... gasp, gasp, GAAAAAASPP
Snape also basically tortured Harry for 6 schooling years. Often trying to getting him expelled or arrested
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i dont really think Lily ever saw Snape in that way.
Yep only friendzoned
I agree and I think Snape loved Lily but he was also obsessed with her, I think he loved her for the wrong reasons. If that makes sense
It's weird she ended up seeing her best friend's bully in that way .......ewww!
@@matthewlee9879 I guess people change, James for the better and Snape for the worse
@@matthewlee9879 you're saying something there!
I think Lily was too hard on Snape. He spent most, if not all his academic life being bullied by four well known bullies. They were so well known they were called the Marauders. Then a 1 second mistake by Snape makes her break off their friendship and eventually shack up with the king bully!
Snivellus was a wannabe death eater who bullied and used Dark magic on muggle-born students with his gang of Slytherins. Snape calling Lily a mudblood was no accident; Snape called many other students mudbloods.
Lily choosing to be with James is none of Snape's business and frankly it's especially none of your business either. Lily isn't an object who anyone (especially Snape) should own, Lily is a human being and a free woman who has the right to choose who she wants to be with. Lily doesn't owe Snape anything. I would rather be a former bullying jock than a racist bully wanting to join the wizarding KKK/Nazi's. In the end, Lily made the right decision.
Until her death, Lily was happy with James; she loved James and James loved her, Harry was their kid, and Snape (along with his apologist/fans like you) all of that.
I dare you to come at me, I dare you!
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It's just so sad to know about their story😢
Lily would never choose someone who called her a Mudblood.
To be honest I kinda do wish that Lily chose Severus over James because
James was always a dickhead bullying and torturing Snape all these years.
And Snape was a racist, bullying muggleborns with the other Slytherin kids. But I guess we'll just forget that since Snape turned his life around AFTER joining the Nazis and ONLY bc Lily died. Snape sucked in school. James became a better person before graduation. But sure. Snape totally deserved Lily.
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Notice how Evans bacwards is Snave and vice versa Snape backwards is Epans. Switch The p and v and you Get Snape and Evans. Maybe they were meant to be?
Snape was a death eater who loved the dark arts. He came to Hogwarts loving the dark arts. James targeted him because of his love of the dark arts and his love of Lily. Snape was not a good person. James also was not a good person, James was a bully and had a superiority complex. Snape had a victim mentality. He accidentally got Lily killed but he was willing to get someone killed. He didn’t have to tell Voldemort about the prophecy but he did. Even then he asked Voldemort to spare her that is why Voldemort told her to move. JK says part of the reason he hated Nevile was because he wasn’t chosen. IShe never stopped caring for Snape. I don’t think she loved him like that. I remember reading somewhere that Lily wanted to repair her relationship with Snape and she was pregnant when she got killed and she wanted to name him as Godfather.
Yes, but James did become a better person. He deflated his head and grew out of his bullying. That's why Lily fell for him. Lily wanting to make Snape godfather is an untrue rumor. But the rumor says both James and Lily wanted to make peace with Snape.
Snape actually did have to tell Voldemort the prophecy because he was working as a damn soldier in a war and was following orders which was to spy on Dumbledore. Just like soldiers in a real war on both sides, are ordered to kill their "enemies." Or else be killed. James targeted Snape because he wanted to be in Slytherin. Snape said nothing about the dark arts when he and James first met, he only wanted to be in Slytherin with his friend and James arrogantly insults Snape by putting Slytherins down, twice which resorts to Snape hitting back with the insult about Gryffindors, then James tries to trip him up as he was leaving the carriage and both Sirius and James mock him by calling him snivellus. Also JK Rowling never said Snape hated Neville because he could have been the chosen one. It's just a theory.
@@marie.naturallysims2179 I know I read somewhere that she did say that is one of the reasons. He always shown a liking for the dark arts. He had ugliness in him because of his upbringing. He called himself the Half Blood Prince not as a dig toward James but a dig and a distanting from his abusive muggle father. James was no angel. He was spoiled petty and superior. You saw that because he immediately went after Snape for wanting to be in Slytherian and for having something he wanted-Lily. I also think we give Liky to much credit in the change in James. A war was coming and that sobers people. His parents were old and we know they were dead by the time Harry came. Then Sirius almost killed Snape. James had to save him. Something like that makes someone reevaluate their life. The one thing I think alot of people also miss which I think is the most in Harry Potter is most of the characters are not inherently anything. No one is all good or all bad.
@@kb1073 James didn't change after Snape was almost killed. The werewolf incident takes place before Snape's worse memory where James and Sirius still found it entertaining to the point where they had publicly bullied, mocked his appearance, tortured Snape, sexually humilated and harrassed him all because Sirius was bored and James wanted to get Lily's attention to blackmail Lily to go out with him while using her friend as hostage. So no, James doesn't change after the werewolf incident where Snape could have been mauled to death.
Snape being. Into the dark arts turned out to be a good thing. Why? Because in the end he managed to save many people with his knowledge. Harry in Philospher's stone with the jinxed broom. Hermione with Dolohov's curse in Order of the phoenix.
Katie Bell with the cursed necklace.
He healed Ron from poisoning.
And he slowed down Dumbledore's death from the cursed ring, which helped save loads of people, why? Because had he not had any knowledge with the dark arts from his time as a teen, he would not have been able to slow the curse that killed Dumbledore, meaning Dumbledore would have died way before he could have taught Harry about Voldemort's knowledge of horcruxes and nor would Harry have an idea what items Voldemort made into a horcrux nor would Harry have known that he needed to die to kill Voldemort meaning Harry wouldn't have been able to defeat him and Voldemort would continue to grow powerful with nothing and no one to stop him.
Just imagine if severus and lily had been sorted into the same house, they were both quite smart, both being very good at potions, so maybe Ravenclaw?
Ikr, i shipped them so hard.
The Marauders fan film is one of the best. This movie explain well why Snape wasn't fit for Lily... The movie is pretty canon, with almost near no mistake about continuity. I despise James for being a bully, since I was bullied myself. But Snape had a dark side too... That would be a reason why he bullied Snape.
Which Marauder's fanfilm? James was a bully, but we're told he deflated his head and grew out of it. I see no reason to assume the worst that his friends lied as he's only fiction. But the fanfilm you're talking about shows James remaining the same which isn't fair. And it makes no sense Lily would still be with him after what happened in that fanfilm which she knew about.
@@Tasha9315 VS Snape
@@hugoyuugo1300 Tasha9313 vs Some Snape Fans because she can't stand seeing James being solely judged by one scene from when he was 16.
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@@maggierowley1849 search the marauders vs Snape
Vid suggestion:
What if Hagrid gave Sirius Harry after James and lily died
I do miss the days when he would say, "And most importantly, be happy."
James seemed like a jerk to me. Snape was a bullied kid who got his buttons pushed by James one too many times and snapped. So sad. I never thought of Snape as an elitist to the core like Voldemort and the Malfoy's. I felt he went along with that mindset, just to belong. Snape was one of Voldemort's favorites because of his talent, competence and willingness to be content as a subordinant. That gave Snape the belonging he needed.
They bullied each other, Snape was not a victim, he always made fun of the Marauders too. Also, the Marauders grew and changed for the better over the years, but Snape became a bitter man and a bad teacher who enjoyed torturing his students. He took revenge on Lupine when he revealed to the parents that he was a werewolf. He even planned to murder James and Harry to have Lily all to himself ... that's vicious and horrible. He had a sad childhood, yes, but do you know who else suffered a lot in his childhood? Harry ...
@@pitaariel1920 what books have you been reading. There's nowhere in the books where Snape makes fun of the marauders. Snape didn't bully them, they bulied him, four/two against one. Snape doesn't torture students, that's Umbridge and Barty crouch Jr. Snape doesn't reveal Lupin's secret because of something thst happened a long time ago, he revels Lupin's secret because he is sick of Lupin constantly putting other people at risk and not doing a damn thing about it and Dumbledore constantly treating Lupin like he's some fragile little flower. Snape didn't plan to murder James and Harry. And anyway James deserved worse than death as he had publicly sexually humiliated and harrassed Snape just because he was rejected by his cruch, Lily. You can't compare Harry and Snape. They're two different people. Yes Harry had a sad childhood but you know what he had in his life. Love, friendship, adults constantly caring about him once he got to Hogwarts. Snape only had his friends in Slytherin. No one cared about him when he was a child or a teen. None of the teachers did, Lily didn't, Lily's parents didn't, his parents didnt, and obviously not Slughorn his head of house. So no you can't compare Snape and Harry's childjood because they're too different and had upbringings.
@@marie.naturallysims2179 Shut the hell up about James, he wasn't a shitty person his whole life. James isn't responsible for Snape being a Death Eater, in fact Snape was already prejudiced against muggles before attending Hogwarts. The only difference between James and Snape is that James grew up whereas Snape didn't, something that an obnoxious Snape fan like yourself will NEVER understand. James was a lot more braver and ten times the person than Snape ever was. Also, James never 'took' or 'stole' Lily from Snape, Snape was the one who drove Lily away. Lily CHOSE to be with James, something you Snape apologist/fans are jealous.
The one thing I will say about Snape though is he never really changed. Harry aside, he was a jerk to most of his students, look at how he treated Neville, as far as we know Neville’s parents didn’t do anything to him and yet he’s still an ass.
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They used his spell -levicorpus on snape. Himself. That’s why.
Can you do a “What if Lily chose Snape instead of James potter?”
Love is a powerful thing, and Lily had an amazing capacity to love. As demonstrated with her magical love protection for Harry and through her relationship with James. She inspired James to become a better person. On the contrary, Snape was a selfish and sadistic boy, he ended up loving power more than he ever loved her. He realised his mistake only after he lost her forever in the hands of Voldemort..
This is just my feelings but I do feel like had lily truly loved snape she would have chosen him.
And had she chosen him I do feel like he would have seen the light and changed his opinion about muggle borns. Sometimes love can do that sort of thing.
Upon finding out how much of a bully james was I was actually kinda pissed off. That fact that snape was often the target of james bullying didn’t help either.
Who knows had things not gone as they did snape may not have even became a death eater and stood along side the order against voldemort.....which also would have been a huge asset to them.
I also believe that in his heart of hearts snape actually cared for harry outside of him being lilys son because harry did have her heart which is what he fell in love with from the start.
But that is just my opinion. Lol
This is a great video! I also love the HP memories and backstories - they’re one of my favorite parts of the series. For this one, it’s pretty clear to me that Lily and Snape never shared a romantic relationship, but I agree that Lily had to have known he liked her. Perhaps they had a conversation about it at some point.
It does seem that you glossed over Severus and James’ mutual attacks in favor of only James’. Also that the former’s involvement in the dark arts was instrumental in driving Lily away (apologies if you did mention that part and I just wasn’t listening closely enough).
Who were those actors playing the trio in the middle?
Personally I don't think it was mostly snapes fault. Yes he made mistakes but it was only bcoz of the environment that he was in. Calling Lily mudblood was just a release of the psychological frustration that he was subjected to all the years by James and Sirius. Also repeatedly hearing the word mudblood by his colleagues and trying to blend in with them by saying the same word must be the reason for this outlash.
Lily should've recognised it and atleast once try to pull Snape out of it.
But I know this is all just plot convenience.
Totally agreed....
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I really missed out on some Potterhead's stuff the last couple of years since I fell out with the Harry Potter Fandom 🤣First things first, great content! Thanks for that. I love to spin my head around theories like that, always did.
My opinion? We can't know, because we don't know the whole picture. JK never told in very much detail. We just know fragments of memories, Snapes memories at that and therefore only his perspective of being befriended with Lily. We don't know if Lily truly cared about him or how she thought she treated him as a person.
Basically, J.K. would have to write down, elaborate and publish the whole back story. Thus, the less drawn characters like James and Lily could be made more profound. Compared to Snape, Lily seems very two-dimensional; mostly she is described as a person who stood up for others. One might think that this was the reason Snape eventually fell in love. We don't know exactly because it's not described in any concrete way.
The fact is that Snape's feelings for Lily play a crucial role in the canon, so I imagine that Lily must have noticed these feelings at some point. It is also a fact that Lily and Snape were the best students of their year in Potions and definitely had one major common denominator: Knowledge.
Snape is not an easy character, driven by irascibility, introverted and far too clever. Getting along with him requires sensitivity and sympathy for his situation. Lily, it seems, had both. They certainly did more together in their early years at school: Homework, studying, sitting next to each other in class. Spent the vacations together. What friends do. Judging by their interests, it wouldn't surprise me if Lily admired Snape for his genius.
As a teenager, you also fall in love and out of love pretty quickly. But when you see your best friend turn to topics you can't handle anymore, you distance yourself automatically.
Long story short: to clear up this issue, HBO should finally produce the announced series. Until then, I'm afraid I'm going to keep shipping Snily.
One more thing: I'm not so dissimilar to Snape in some character ways. We have birthdays almost at the same time (Capricorn), I'm quite grumpy, like to learn and read, have a tendency to be fascinated by all kinds of things and have been friends for years with an extrovert (Aquarius) who just completes me on a special level. We both communicate very differently, but still we love each other and we rely on each other. Our houses are Slytherin and Gryffindor
So from my perspective and life experience, I say yes, Lily could have just as easily chosen Snape.
Everybody got to take a small step back here. James may had done few jerkish things while he was young but honestly haven't we all done things that we're not proud of? Life is about growing from your mistakes. James still was loyal to his family and friends and when his world was threatened by a extremely dangerous wizard he did stepped up to try to save his world and others. No doubt that the war helped him see the world on a much more spiritual way. We have to understand that nobody (besides Snape) hold his childhood mistakes against him. He (and many others) grew up. He can't be defined as a person over one period of his life. It's like what Dumbledore and Sirius both said...everybody have good and bad in them and are capable of changing. We have to remember that much of the negativity of James comes from Snape who is someone who is not holding a childhood grudge but refuses to acknowledges and see that James did do some good in his life. We have to remember that despite Snape having a deep fondness for Lilly, he was the one who wasn't willingly to changes for her nor was he willingly to see his own faults between him and James' rivalry. The situation isn't as black and white as the films make it out to be. We see that Harry does learn to accept that his father was human and regained enough respect for him that he named one of his sons after him.
Snape was interested in the dark arts because of the bullying and abuse he experienced ! He was powerless as a kid and wanted to be powerfull, And lily unfortunatly couldn't anderstand that.. she vilified him and abandoned him because of it, not because he called her a mudblood.
her choice to be with james is still without excuse no metter what, james never changed actually, he just made her believe that he is a different man..
According to the actual source material, James changed. Snape alienated Lily through his own bigotry.
Maybe if James and the Marauders had never bullied Severus, then maybe Severus would not have joined the death eaters. I feel like it was their bullying that caused him to turn to the dark side more than if he'd been left to his own devices...
And frankly I'm not impressed with Lily given the fact that she lets one word destroy years of friendship with Severus (and he did truly try to apologize to her), while allowing years of bullying by the Marauders to be forgiven....
Good point...
Yeah, it was pretty much a long path of unintended consequences. Basically James killed himself. He made Snape the Death Eater he had become, and Snape too, unintendedly, gave Voldemort the very prophecy that got James killed.
@Melissa Waterman but I guess the next question is, was it right that Lily never forgave Severus? They were kids at the time, and bc of the Marauders, Severus was isolated to trying to find friendship within his own house... Just think if the Marauders had befriended and not bullied and stalked Severus? Would he have had more friends in Gryffindor and therefore avoided influences from the darker side of Slytherin...bc I wonder if Severus gravitated towards them because they were the only ones that accepted him other than Lily...
But what would have changed if Lily could have found forgiveness for him when he begged for it? We are all human and we will all screw up at one point in time... Sometimes badly...but does that mean we're not allowed a second chance?
@@velkarra471 Shut the hell up about James, he wasn't a shitty person his whole life. James isn't responsible for Snape being a Death Eater, in fact Snape was already prejudiced against muggles before attending Hogwarts. The only difference between James and Snape is that James grew up whereas Snape didn't, something that an obnoxious Snape fan like yourself will NEVER understand. James was a lot more braver and ten times the person than Snape ever was. Also, James never 'took' or 'stole' Lily from Snape, Snape was the one who drove Lily away. Lily CHOSE to be with James, something you Snape apologist/fans are jealous.
The one thing I will say about Snape though is he never really changed. Harry aside, he was a jerk to most of his students, look at how he treated Neville, as far as we know Neville’s parents didn’t do anything to him and yet he’s still an ass.
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i really think Lily was in some relationship so close to love with Snape, but she cant take it anymore with Snape attitude toward power.
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Snape was technically a "mudblood" being a half blood and all ya know 🤔
Both Snape and the Marauders were jerks as teenagers. Neither deserved lily
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*WHY SNAPE WANT TO TEACH DEFENCE AGAINST THE DARK ARTS*
Honestly I think marrying James was the wrong choice because if she married Snape she'd at least be still alive
But Snape is the reason why Lilly died in the first place. James isn't the one who killed her!
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Lily met Snape when she was very young and at that time she did not understand what love like that was. She always thought of him as a friend but when Snape became highly obsessed with dark arts their friendship was falling apart. When snape called lily a mudblood all that small strings that were holding them together fell off. Snape fell in love with lily at the wrong time. James became the man lily wanted. So even if Snape had not called her a mudblood she would have never fallen for him. Snape was never and will never be the man that lily needed.
Also, their patroneses tell the story. James became an animagi before falling deeply in love with Lily and I don't think lily's Patronus ever changed. Snape's Patronus was the same as lily because he loved her not the other way round.
Snape was in the friend zone from day one.IMO she never looked at him as any type of Love interest and never would.Snape was more into the Dark Arts anyway(Not psychotically like Voldy,but in it nonetheless).James was a D-Bag and a bully but he matured,Snape couldn’t get past the bullying and even if Lily chose him,that would have been an issue(being bullied,low self esteem etc).
But it’s all a moot point as Rowling couldn’t have written the damn books if Lily married Snape.I mean c’mon,they hand out time turners so kids can take 2 classes at once but they can’t use one to stop Voldy from killing James and Lily.Speculation in Fiction is Pointless.
JK has said that Lilly would have been romantically interested in him, had he ditched the Dark Arts. She also said that Snape regretted as an adult not having done it earlier. So not really a friend zone.
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If lily had chose Severus Snape over James Potty Pot Potter the WHOLE story would change! That's the point I got from this video.
Snape was into dark arts, he was fascinated with it, so fascinated that he'd need to test his curses on Lily.
I don’t know that much about Harry Potter but I do feel like if Snape was able to confess his feelings to Lily he could live in peace even if Lily rejected him after his confession. It would be a a great burden off of his chest
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I feel really bad for Snape, he is my favourite character of all. But if she would chosen Snape then Harry will not be born. Everything is at it should be tho Snape had sad ending.
The differences between Potter and Severus are so heartbreakingly vast that it almost feels impossible to ever adore either of them equally. I have friends that claim the absolute opposite, but they’re so damned fervently passionate about how it’s “as easy as waking up and breathing!” that I feel safe in the assumption of being some kind of a lie.
Either way, I will always (yes, heartbreakingly intentional pun) love Severus. That doesn’t mean I’m okay with his later-in-life bullying of his students. Nope. I’d sooner snap and slap him over the head with a spare journal.
Yes, but both James and Snape had very different upbringings and circumstances. And James did deflate his head and grow out of it.
The great truth is that Lily would never have a relationship with Snape, with or without offense. he had nothing she or any girl would want from a guy. Besides, they were always arguing, he always had to apologize constantly, an unbalanced relationship that showed that they would never work. She wanted the popular cute and badass, the one that was unreachable for everyone except her, just like Harry did with Ginny. Lily and Harry are personalities open to 'weird' people but they are not including their romantic and sexual life in this.
You are making Lily look like a superficial girl. I'm sure she was not into James because he was a popular badass. She was more like Hermione in that respect. Hermione was not interested in Krum because he was popular or cute, she got interested in him because she saw that Krum was a sensitive caring boy that was not interested in fame. From the exterior it might seem that Hermione was just attracted to him the same as the other girls in the school, but that was far from the truth.
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I think that one of Lily's strongest traits, seeing the good in other that they could not see in themselves, also worked against her in regards to her relationship with Snape. Snape might have blundered several times before and was forgiven maybe too many times by Lily because of their childhood memories. That incident when he called her a Mudblood was clearly the last straw for her. Snape did NOT deserve to be treated badly by James Potter, but he is also responsible for his own actions. Had he not let his emotions get the best of him, he might still have been friends with Lily. And then there's the case of his Slytherin friends. If you had a friend whom you knew was hanging with the KKK or neo-nazis, would you be comfortable being around him, let alone date him? I think that the only person he hated more than James... was himself.
Mean while snape: sorting hat u r the scoundrel...
Sorting hat: --
Snape: AVADA KEDAVRA
Basically it would’ve come down to either one of them. JK did say Lily could’ve grown to love Snape without the interest in dark magic and death eaters hanging over their heads. James never had a shot with Snape in the way as they each brought out the worst in each other so James only won cause Snape did the worlds biggest fumble and James came in with the steal lmao.
Dear HBO series: give us the time of lily evans, severus snape, james potter, sirius black, remus lupin and peter pettigrew. 6 interesting point of view characters, JK's blessing, the time until james and lilys death... PLEASE?
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That's so old fashioned . She should have chosen both . 🤣🤣💯🗿 . It would be epic , + imagine she would have had 1 child from each of them (girl or boy, who knows) . And then harry would have had a bro/sister and they would create forbidden magic and end up like ultimate siblings . They would start living alone together pretty early and eventually get split in 2 by their representative hogwarts houses . Live would become tough for their enemy's since they both learned to appreciate the good and the dark arts . They would be called the mischievous siblings and no one would be safe from them .
Later on snape's son /daughter would join the death esters, however their mischievous practices made him/her turn into a untrustful creature . Death esters start disappearing since she/he joined but no one suspects a thing since she/he has a silver tongue. Snape finds out about his/her human experiments on death esters , however doesn't act upon it . After years of experience, like snape, the child create a spell that allow magic traps to be layed just by uttering the words, however she/he doesn't have enough magic power to cast the spell and thus gives the spell to harry .
Harry, born with almost unlimited magical potential and physical ability like no other, lives his life effortlessly . There was not even one year of struggle and it made him pretty careless . Upon hearing of the new spell, harry learns it immediately . However, disregarding the precaution measures the sibling of him wrote in the letter he quickly makes a mistake. Casting the spell without caution made him loose his entire arm . This is a major change to him since it's the arm he needs to cast spells. Harry gets sent home as he now needs to prepare for life as a disabled person.
Upon that harry's sibling disappeared . Feeling like a failure, she/he swore to create a spell to regenerate missing body parts . Many experiments later, almost all of the death esters got used up and voldemorts force is just a joke now . An idear comes up in his/her head. What if one could experiment on someone who is never gonna die, no matter what you do to them . Thus she/he starts planning to capture and disable the magic capabilities of voldemort .
End of Part 1 of my Harry Potter story lol
Side fact :
The sibling developed a spell that can hide and place a spell as a magic traps which then can return to spell form once someone walks over it . Harry lost his arm by combining the spell with rectusembra since he wanted to use it on a rat . Since he was inpatient, he was unable to catch it . His anger made him place the spell in the hallway not knowing that there must be 1m distance before casing it, which made him loose his arm .
Honestly what makes this so painful is that it’s relatable
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Anyone can be sorted into Slytherin. You don’t have to be a pure blood to get sorted there.
Nice video tho. Very interesting 😊
Not in the books and movies. Ur using common sense. The books have their own type of logic. Slytherin was racist and hated muggle borns. Since the hat follows the old views, no muggle born would be sorted in slytherin.
@@riaa9x JK Rowling has stated that there is a muggle-born Slytherin, she is a Weasley cousin who was the daughter of a Muggle and a Weasley Squib (this makes her a mudblood in the eyes of blood racists). I think her name is Mafalda.
@@scarol17 she was a half blood, and just like her and Tom riddle they both are blood supremacists, her loyalty lies with death eaters.
Poor Snape he deserves better
Lily dodged a bullet. Snape was just not fit for her.
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She was able to forgive James for all is years of bullying snape who was also loved her but didn't forgive snape for the one and only time snape he said something not nice to her. Her morals were wraped. All James action not just to snape but to anyone she did over look. No she was always into James. She willing played to two men very well knowing what was a choice.
“Something not nice” it was literally a racial slur and he became a death eater. James matured and Snape didn’t, simple as that
I honestly think that Snape deserved better than Lilly. In my opinion Lilly could have stopped the gang from picking on Snape (or anyone else for that matter!) long before this point. True that Snape calling Lilly a mudblood was unforgivable but so was what James and his gang did to him.
To be fair, just because James was catcalling her, doesn't mean she had power over the group. She couldn't even get James to leave her alone. I think both she and Snape were at least partly accomodating the power of their house, Pettigrew-style.
quel destin tragic entre Severus et Lily. Je pense que si severus n'avait pas été aussi isolé (maltraité par son père, le harcèlement scolaire, Lily et lui séparés dans les maisons rivales de Poudlard, voir son amie devenir proche de celui qui le harcelait et qui l'intimidait durant toutes ses années à Poudlard,... aucun adulte bienveillant pour guider le jeune severus, mauvaises influences des Malfoy,... sur severus,... tout ça avait malheureusement préparé le terrain à ce que Lily et sev se séparent alors qu'ils auraient vraiment pu finir ensemble ces deux là. C'est vraiment tragique. Et j'espère qu'avec le long chemin vers la rédemption qu'a pris Rogue après son mauvais choix qui avait conduit la femme qu'il aime à la mort, que depuis il avait tout fait, en tant qu'agent double et bras droit de Dumbledore, pour vaincre Voldemort et protéger le fils de la femme qu'il a toujours aimé et de son ennemi, j'espère qu'avec tout ça, severus aura été accueilli par lily lorsqu'il est mort et que ces deux là auront pu se réconcilier dans la mort du coup...