EckhartsLadder u can't say that their shielding is inferior considering they can redirect their shields to reinforce other areas (Example from Halo Hunters in the Dark) They could just simply and easily direct all shielding to the front of the ship and ram the star destroyer and annihilate it.
EckhartsLadder again this is my opinion but I find star wars ships kind of pathetic when considering the obvious rear weakness which the covenant could easily exploit with a slip space jump behind them.
That's one way to do it. But the CCS can simply destroy it by itself. We've seen during the Battle of Lothal with the X-wings, they just went close enough to where they could hit the ISD and inflict damage.
No, the Executor's sheilds were down and a metal ship hit glass. A modern day rocket would destroy the bridge if the sheilds were down because it would be hitting GLASS with thin metal beams holding the panes of glass in place.
+Mr. Hand You're also proving that your arguments in this VS. debate are invalid to the lore of Halo or Star Wars, because your arguments are inconsistent with the established lore of both Star Wars Legends and Halo. There has been absolutely no mention of an ECM device on ISD-II's in *any* Star Wars book, novel, game, or cross-section view. You also claimed that ISD-II's possess better point-defense weaponry than the Covenant, which is a lie because the "Legends" ISD-II is armed with turbolasers, heavy turbolasers, Octuple Barbette turbolaser or ion cannon batteries, and ion cannons; while turbolasers can kill a starfighter in one shot, they are ineffective in this role because of their slow tracking speed and rate of fire. In comparison, Covenant warships have point-defense weaponry in the form of Pulse Laser Turrets which fire high-intensity laser bolts at near speed-of-light velocity with a very high degree of accuracy. I'm an avid Halo and Star Wars fan, but I know that the ISD-II is outgunned in this fight because the CCS battlecruiser has long-ranged plasma weapons that are ship-killers, superior armor and maneuverability, and Covenant Energy Shielding on their warships is regarded in Halo lore as "notoriously resilient". Star Wars energy shielding has be described as an effective defense against dispersed fire, but an ineffective defense against concentrated fire in a single spot; conveniently enough the CCS battlecruiser's energy projectors fire a continuous beam at a single area with pinpoint accuracy. If you want to try to refute my claims, you may do so. However, don't have your rebuttal to my argument include facts that don't exist for the ISD-II in Star War Legends, and please try to be objective and civil in your rebuttal instead of blatantly favoring Star Wars in your refuting arguments because I was objective and civil in my argument to you.
Maybe, but keep in mind that the ISD is also carrying normally a legion of Stormtroopers, all armed with various plasma based weapons and the home-turf advantage.
Yes very vulnerable. CCS had like 50 or so boarding craft. That's a pretty good amount of troops. Elites and brutes would slaughter troopers. And imagine when they deploy the hunters. They could bring attention away from the CCS by either planting bombs or simply shooting everything to try to capture the bridge
DeathmasterSniktch going against sangheili warriors face to face? Stprm troopers dont stand a chance, brutes? Not in close quarters no way, hunters? Definitely not. Covies get a decent boarding party and they'll cut down any trooper.
Well Royal Guards are highly trained in martial arts I forgot what type and I know it can cripple an Elite plus don't forget there's a Shadow guard which is a force-user
@@chilltrooper9695 Elites are also trained from birth to be deadly warriors and they are also natutally very large ceatures who are suprisingly quick and resilient to damage, I think an elite can easily take on a Royal Gaurd. (Not to me tion energy shields and highly dangerous weapons) As for Shadow Guards, thanks to the force alone I believe they can easily take on an elite or even two simultaneously, but who knows, a single quick and very skilled elite can maybe take one down, but I'd say Shadow Gaurds win 9/10 in 1v1 5/10 with 2 or more Edit: Looking back on OPs comment, their also Honor Guards. Some of the most skilled and dangerous elites, I was talking more average elite. Seeing how Honor Gairds often wield energy sworda and are highly skilled in CQC. They have very strong sheilding, move deceptively quick for their size, and easily strong enough to break the bones of human like creatues with ease. So I change my numbers with Shadow Gaurds 6/10 and Royal Gaurds 2/10
One aspect that doesn't really get mentioned in these sorts of match-ups is the design of the ships. For example, the bridge. On a Covenant vessel it is located deep in the ship, while on most Star Wars ships, especially the star destroyers it is located in a prominent and vulnerable location.
Even more so, Star Wars has blatantly obvious shield projector targets. The big, spherical objects at the top of the T-shaped superstructure are, in fact, shield projectors. Once the shields are down, a sufficiently smart enemy will focus fire on those objects just to completely neutralize any ability to regenerate shields for an Imperial Star Destroyer. The Covenant do not suffer from the same issue, because their shield generators seem to be protected and placed deep inside the hull of the ship, behind layers of armor plating.
To be completely honest, visual navigation and targeting would be next to useless in an actual space battle, as ships are small, space is big. Detecting emissions is a far better method for locating ships. Also, as some others in the comments have mentioned covenant boarding is extremely effective and exploits one of Star Wars' biggest weaknesses when it comes to shields. In Star Wars, anything moving slow enough can pass through shields. While covenant shields do not allow this. The covenant could simply board the star destroyer with there very small, stealthy boarding craft. Even a small covenant boarding party of elites and grunts could easily start taking down key systems from the inside. Like the shields for instance.
@@Pure_L18well, assuming they pass the TIE fighters and turbolaser/ion cannon barrage, also, its a ship to ship combat, so the boarding parties are not allow here
Alejandro Hernández the ccs could just send a shit ton of seraphs and space banshees to clear up ties, and imperial 2 star destroyers have little to non point defense weapons, and have a vulnerable underbelly. Boarding craft would get past those obstacles.
According to our station, All without exception, On the blood of our fathers, On the blood of our sons, We swore to uphold the Covenant, Even to our dying breath.
Also, it may be interesting to point out general ship layout and design. The Star Destroyer has an exposed, vulnerable bridge while Covenant ships typically have their bridges positioned deep within their ships. That being said, it's still difficult to compare armor. I found out from Luke TheNotable that Covenant ships are covered in nano-laminate, a material apparently stronger than titanium. I'm not entirely sure how this affects the outcome of this match up, but I'm certain it has some effect.
I don't get this "Star Wars ships have exposed, vulnerable bridges, while X doesn't." There is no reason not to assume that SW ships wouldn't have a CIC like real world warships do along with the real world "exposed and vulnerable" bridge.
+Plasmacore V, oh yes their is reason to assume they don't have backup bridges, the majority of the reason to assume that is the scene (canon scene) where an A-wing crashes into the main bridge of the executer adn it just crashes into the death star. Plus they still have no FUCKING POINT DEFENSE WHEN ALL THEY FIGHT ARE BASICALLY FIGHTERS.
+Plasmacore V, and ww1 ships didn't have backup bridges, star wars uses ww1 and ww2 tactics (mostly ww1 for empire ww2 for rebels) so no reason to assume why they would have a backup bridge when their ww1 counterparts didn't.
I don't think you put boarding parties into enough consideration. With no point defense, they could easily board. And it's not like the storm troopers would pose much of a threat
@Mr. Hand, I don't know a great deal about SW, I don't know a great deal about Halo... But you seem to be very, very far off the mark here. When have we ever seen any of this in star wars movies (The primary source of canon)? We haven't seen these flak-tubo's and anti fighter launchers? Well sorry mate, but when you start importing things from (I assume) legends which contradicts movies, I'd say your on very thin ice indeed. Also, sniper rifles in cqc scenario's lol.
I don't underestimate Stormtroopers, they just really suck at fighting. Elites are so strong they can breaks necks with single hits from their massive muscular arms, same for brutes. The 'elite' forces of Stormtroopers equal to average elites. Here, play the first mission in halo ce on heroic, when the covenant board the autumn. Count how many times one if them hit you, that's a kill.
Massive Star wars fan here. honestly imo, I think that the Covenant Cruiser will win. The cruiser will simultaneously try boarding the star Destroyer while attacking it's weapon emplacements. once the star Destroyer is defenseless, the covenant forces will try to hack the destroyers computer. trying to ascertain the location of the imperial home world, and any other key information. most likely using huragoks (engineers) now in a destroy only scenario. the cruiser will just get under or behind the Destroyer, and glass it into slag. I feel after seeing cruisers in Halo 3, 3: odst, and reach. that they are far more agile.
and whilst star wars has the tie fighters, the covenant has hundreds of banshees ready for combat.... and considering a covenant ship can do this (ua-cam.com/video/rRO8blc96pI/v-deo.html) to the spirit of fire without the ships energy shields even flaring without firing a single shot! what do you think the covenant ship could do if they was ACTUALLY TRYING. And they also under-estimated the covenants glassing. that can literally cut through UNSC ships like butter and how they would try to sneak bombs onto the ship along with the troops as a failsafe!(ua-cam.com/video/yzXx8MiHV9g/v-deo.html) and how the covenant has the sangheli/elites who will not give up even if you destroy their ship. so if the covenant somehow lost their ships, all the troops would be on phantoms and banshees going to the star destroyer. to end this simply.... if the covenant did not win..... they would tie....
@@t1tanfallpr025 To be fair, the Spirit of Fire was a prewar ship, using different material from postwar, and the ISD (I assume) doesn't use the same material as the UNSC. Infact, the ISD is (obviously) more advance than the Spirit of Fire, so not to be a big SW fan, but bold of you to assume that the Covenant cruiser is capable of ramming the ISD with no trouble..
You're statements wouldn't work. Volly of Turbolasers would devastate the CCS Cruiser shields. It would be a quick battle, but let day the boarding craft was used. There big enough to have a Turbolaser shoot it with minor difficulty. The I would say Tie fighters would be pretty effective. Also I've done research and I've come to a conclusion that Laser Canons are stronger then the Pusle canon the Covenant uses.
@@t1tanfallpr025 remember than the human ships of Halo had no shields, so a ship of a big size with a shield could be able to atleast tank one of those hits, alongside the other weapons of the Covenant battlecruiser, also, the ion cannons could shut down many of the Covenant ship sistems, including the glassification cannon, that will let the Covenant battlecruiser very vulnerable
I disagree, because we see a few seconds of fire from a plasma lance, Cut through a Halcyon class light cruiser. Sure a star destroyer has better Sheilds, but that kind of fire power would a wreck a star destroyer
Mr. Hand, I don’t mean cut through. I just mean that sustained fire could likely bring down the shields. At that point, the ISD would just get cut up by the CCS, and battered with plasma torpedos. Even if this didn’t happen, the covenant has superior fighters, like seraphs,
Didn't a heavy fighter in rebels destroy a star destroyer with a concentrated beam? Some of the plasma canons/turrets in halo shown to do that. If not destroy the star destroyer maybe distrust it.
To all the people who think that this is not feasible, I disagree. The Covenant could do an intra-system jump behind the star destroyer (or below, they don't just have to be above them, only above them relative to the CCS) and they can glass them. The ship might take heavy damage from such a maneuver, but it is still certainly possible.
The covenant have weapons can also be guided after firing increasing accuracy and damage. The bridge of the star destroyer would also be target fired when the covenant know about its critical logistics of the ship. It wasn't done for the pillar of autumn because they didn't want it to damage the ring by word of a prophet on board the covenant fleet ship.
I think more research should be done on the comparison: Firepower: It depends on the yield level and canon you use. If you use the most current canon for both, you have CCS Cruisers and similar level ships doing multi-megaton level feats with their Plasma Torpedoes, whilst Plasma Projectors are also in the megatons. Current Disney Canon is kiloton level aside from the Mandator. However, ICS/Legends would put the ISD in the high gigatons to teratons, and it would only be fair to allow high end calcs for Halo to be used also, where a CCS can survive hits from 1.17 Teraton MACs. I think it goes like this: Legends/ICS ISD > High End CCS Cruiser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mid End CCS Cruiser >>> Disney ISD >= Low End Cruiser Using the ideal mid end and current cannon, the CCS Cruiser wins out Range: Same deal. Legends blows Halo out of the water, but current Disney Canon range is *pitiful*, whilst Covenant ships can fire from hundreds of thousands of kilometers at max with blasts that go at sizable fractions of light speed Speed: I think the CCS Cruiser would have an advantage here, as it has a higher acceleration rate and has a more streamlined design. Shielding: Again, depends on the canon and calc yields. At highest, a Legends/ICS ISD would win, but the between most current incarnations, the Cruiser can take hits from multi-megaton asteroids whilst ISDs get downed by much smaller kiloton level asteroids. Overall, it depends on the canon and calcs being used.
@@suzumiyaharuhi3438 Yet somehow they are able to produce those levels of energy. The calcs don't lie. The Infinity was calculated to equal several teratons of TNT, so were Reach ODPs. For the Reach ODP's case, we are literally given the numbers of its mass and velocity.
@@atmosrex7126 ODP sure, its power came from ground facilities and fires every 5 minutes or so at full charge. Capital ships impossible due to the fact that the fuel consumed for the fusion reaction would literally be more than the ships' total mass.
@@atmosrex7126 ICS books have been republished in 2020 by Lucasfilm (owned by Disney) and combined into one book: "Star Wars Complete Vehicles New Edition". So ICS stuff is canon, albeit still high-end.
I do think that it is worth noting that in star wars, star fighters do tend to play a much larger role in combat against capital ships than they do in Halo. This would mean that the durability of the seraph would make a pretty huge difference. We see rebel fighters destroying the sensor arrays on top of the ship without its shields going down at all. If the CCS were to deploy her complement of fighters while outside of engagement range, and have them disable the sensors, then beyond visual range engagements would massively favor the Covenant. The seraphs don't even need to defeat the TIEs (which it seems that they should be able to do), they just have to get one through to hit the target. The star destroyer would then have to close to visual before being able to engage, during which time it is being constantly hit. That is a very long time to be getting shot at while being unable to shoot back.
Your conclusion is somewhat reasonable, however I think you forgot about the armor of the CCS. Although you are correct that Covie shields have a predisposition against plasma based weaponry. Their nanolaminate armor is designed to withstand massive amounts of heat. UNSC weaponry was actually more effective against the hull/armor than the shields of a covie ship. Both are figurably comparable both in reliance and in image (both are terrifying symbols of their respective factions) However most covie ships, including the CCS, are better designed, the bridge is located in the center of the ship, the engines, the reactor, and the shield generators are not exposed.. all of these are exposed for the ISD with the last one ( the shield generators / domes) often being targeted in order to take the ship down relatively easier than just shooting the ISD out of the sky. For me, I think this would be a dead tie with a slight lean to the CCS, simply because it lacks obvious design flaws which can be exploited, unlike the ISD.
Plus Ecks likes to forget one tiny little detail. If the CCS did the exact opposite of staying at range, and jumped in close. Why does this matter? Because the ISD retardedly has all it's heaviest weapons on the TOP of the ship. If the CCS jumps beneath the ISD, it can gut the star destroyer like a fish with little to no retaliation.
Too close and the most the torps could do is singe the outer edge of the pizza of doom. Still the plasma lance is front and center on the top and bottom of the CCS and wouldn't have any trouble. I think the main issue for the ISD is it lacks a weapon like the plasma lance or the MACs on the UNSC ships. A weapon system capable of doing catastrophic damage that could potentially hinder the defending vessels ability to fight back via sheer traumatic damage.
The CCS does have orders of magnitude more firepower than the ISD. And yes, the nanolaminite armour is better than titanium-A which is better than titanium which is better than Durasteel which is better than plain steel.
I think you're wrong on this one for a few reasons. One is that the Covenant have the ability to make incredibly short, and incredibly accurate, slipspace jumps. They would be able to jump behind the SD if they learn that they would be most effective behind it. Another point, one that you hinted at at the very end, would be boarding parties. The Covenant relied greatly on boarding parties. Once the SD's shields are down, and they would go down primarily because of the ventral beam, the CCS would no doubt launch volleys of boarding craft. With no point defense system, and the TIEs being tied up (pun intended), the boarding parties would land in droves and further wear down the SD from the inside. On foot, the stormtroopers stand no significant chance against Covenant ground forces. From the motion trackers to energy swords to personal cloaking devices to shields, the stormtroopers, even elite units, would fall very quickly. The SD's shields would go down before the CCS is disabled, no doubt. From there, the SD's bridge is extremely exposed, while the CCS's bridge is well protected inside the ship and would remain effective for significantly longer. Hence why, even with significant hull damage, Covenant ships could continue operating for much longer than UNSC vessels.
I didn't read it (as it's too long, read some of it, might finish it later)) and..are you just a halo fan or is this a real comparison? ive seen these comments and it's hard to tell who is actually comparing them and whos just a halo fan
nation hicks maybe you could figure it out if you actually read his comment. If you did you would understand that his comment is an objective analysis based on available lore.
Pretty much the reason irl navies switched from massive dreadnoughts to cruisers and aircraft... surgical maneuverability wins more efficiently than sledgehammer firepower
You didn’t add the fact that in the halo books the covenant can guide there plasma torpedos mid flight and there command center in buried deep within the ship whereas we see in Star Wars the command center is often exposed at the top.
I mean one covenant boarding party and the star destroyer is done. Unless there's a squad of Stormtroopers on every ship composed of troops that are 8 feet tall and can lift 1000 lbs one handed without even trying.
I hope you know the higher ups in the detah star order stormtrooper not to kill the escaping prisoner also by the way those they were chasing were main characters plot armor to the max just read the comics.
If the CCS got on top of the star destroyer it could literally take it out with a single shot from its glassing cannon, that thing literally has the power of a nuke
I don't think the taking down the section of shield will be a major disadvantage. After all It's like a meter of shielding that needs to be taken down on a ship that's almost 2 kilometers.
I think you are conflating a relative better performance against ballistic weapons with a weakness against energy weapons. The expanded universe books, especially the 'tech' manuels, are horribly inconsistent with what we see in the movies, tv shows, and games regarding the firepower of imperial ships, especially in orbital bombardment roles. If a single Star Destroyer could glass a planet, then the Death Star makes zero sense. A glassed planet is, frankly, a more vicerally terrifying threat. What's scarier, being shot with a 16in gun, or a flame thrower? I think what we see in the movies and games and TV shows is accurate, a single turbolaser blast can outright destroy a moderately sized building, but anything approaching glassing would require hundreds of Star Destroyers over at least a couple of days.
An ISD’s power is actually quite consistent. They are never given a chance to showcase their full power on-screen (mainly due to plot armor), and we’re going to disregard Rebels’ pathetic excuse for a bombardment because that’s just a convenient way to get the heroes out of a dangerous situation. ISDs are stated in multiple sources to be able to slag entire planets in a couple of hours. Many, many sources, several of them canon. An ISD is by no means as weak as you claim.
+Bookhead714, so we are disregarding the consistent canon firepower (which is weak as shit) because no reason, you just want them to be more powerful? The only sources that say anything like that are BS legends, and even then it's not consistent.
We’re disregarding an incredibly inconsistent source. The power of ISDs in Rebels is almost entirely plot-determined. One moment they’re a proper threat, the next they’re going down with no problems whatsoever. Rebels goes out of its way to make the Imperials as incompetent as possible at every occasion. Outside of Rebels, an ISD is very consistent with powering, being a huge threat to literally everything. In Rogue One, two of them hold off an entire fleet. In ANH, they disable the Tantive IV’s reactor with a single shot (after the shields are down). But in Rebels, they just fall apart like it’s nothing, never shoot anything, and when they do fire it’s almost pathetic.
+Bookhead714, ship to ship combat is never consistent in star wars, not in legends or canon. But ground bombardment is consistent in canon and not in legends. We are talking about ground bombardment.
My problem with Star Wars is that it's inherently fantasy, not science fiction. There is zero effort to make any of the technology realistic. A ship the size of a moon? A "turbolaser" that with one shot can boil an ocean? Any argument basically ends with "yea well, our turbolasers are super duper powerful and will blow up a solar system in one shot!"
Honestly though, this is a problem with most high-powered sci-fi. You see ship based weapons that fail at destroying another ship (even without shields), yet somehow inflict planetary-scale damage in other instances.
Sorry for saying this so much, but you are forgetting that Covenant armor is quite resistant to energy-based weapons. That will have some impact on the battle. Also given the better overall maneuverability of the CCS, I’d estimate the Covenant win 80% of the time.
Glaive Forsyth I feel the extremely accurate slipspace jumps the Covenant ships can perform will also play into the fight, especially if multiple ships faced off at the same time
Your Mate Luke thank you, i thought i was the only one thinking about that, if I'm being fair, the ccs could possiblely slipspace jump above the isd and use it's excavation beam to bombard the ship
If you take slip space into account the covenant win hands down. It’s been shown they can maneuver around enemy ships using slip space portals. If the entered a portal coming in towards the star destroyer, they could then reappear at the flank and demolish the star destroyer.
Mosaic Slime yeah but why would you hyperspace if your only trying to flank a few hundred thousand kilometers, I would see no point in that since that takes energy , while the covenant can use it at ease
The flood, they infest targets faster than the law of thermodynamics allows, a single ship worth of them is considered a good reason to glass most of Africa, and if they infest an entire planet worth of biomass, there's nothing Blacklight can do, oh, and they infest using their own special brand of space magic, so a biological resistance is impossible.
I do believe that Blacklight has shown similar rates of infection to the Flood, many sci fi infection do this so they aren't special on that, Blacklight was predicted to end the Earth if it left Manhattan, which is why many billions of dollars were put into military expense to keep it there, and they were actually gonna nuke the city but failed after Alex Mercer dropped it into the ocean, so yeah What if Blacklight were to also infect an entire planet of biomass? What is this so called space magic, and why has some forms biological resistance/adaptation been shown in certain species? and it has been theorized that those like spartans might be resistant to infection, if not actually immune to the Flood
That's fair Earth was expected to fall *in hours* after they touched down. I don't know, but I doubt they'll be driving super AI capable of managing an entire interstellar empire with the industry to build entire planets as landscaping mad, nor throwing around multi-au objects made of pure thought strong enough to withstand a Black Hole's event horizon and tear Jupiter-sized superstructures into pieces. Neural Physics, and some species can't be infected by infection forms, such as the Lekgolo, this doesn't mean a resistance to the Flood, as the Flood then just used them as biomass to create a grave/keymind ro pure forms, and the only Spartan who has shown any rresistance to the Flood was Sergeant Johnson, a Spartan I, and even then, that was the same case as with the lekgolo, his nervous system was too fucked to be worth making a combat form, so they would have just used him for sheer biomass had he note escaped, which he only did by virtue of the attack primarily being infection forms, which prioritised others over him.
No one seems to remember that Seraphs have slipspace drives. If the engagement starts at any range at all, the seraphs can start combat long before the ship combat starts, as we see in Halo: Reach. Also, I'm pretty sure hyperspace is a less flexible form of travel when compared to slipspace. It may be faster, but the CCS could just go from combatting them from the front to firing from range at the ISD's rear (Someone said something like this is possible with hyperspace, but we don't see anything of the sort in the actual material, while pinpoint slipspace jumps are not only a valid, well recorded phenomena, they are a significant part of the Covenant's ship-to-ship combat strategy). Also, Their shielding isn't weak to energy weapons, the UNSC's guns are just weak in comparison, so the perspective is flawed at it's base. Case in point, MAC's still perform admirably vs. ships, even if the UNSC's rifles don't on the ground. It's about total energy output, not type of weapon. Not sure if this makes their shielding better or worse, but it is relevant. To conclude, I'd like to point out a simple fact. The CCS' energy projectors glass planets. The ISD's bridge is extremely overexposed. Glassing beam + exposed bridge = quick win for CCS. Anyone please argue that the projector (that glasses planets) is somehow too weak to penetrate the shielding over the overexposed bridge. I'll laugh at you. Now, I'll give you that it may take a second, but that shielding will not hold up to that kind of force for more than a few moments, not in such a small area, and those projectors can run for quite a bit of time without stopping and it won't take long enough for the ISD to brute force the CCS to death, provided it can do so as easily as its been said to do. TL;DR The point I'm trying to make is that the CCS' projectors could take out the exposed bridge far faster than the ISD could spam the turbolasers enough to wreck the CCS.
I believe the Empire would win, but it would be an even closer match up. The covenant are infamous for boarding enemy vessels. We see this in Halo 1 and 2 where they board the Pillar of Autumn ship and the MAC station. It should be noted that this is not a common action, but it is something that they will employ when their ship's weapons are not enough or viable options.
Erik Valiulis should have been covered in intangibles. Sure the commanders are equally skilled, but only the covenant ships seem to have dedicated boarding crafts. Again sadly I have to give it to the ISD, but I think it would have been closer due to this tiny well used factor. (Stormtroopers may be capable in the EU, but Lekgolo, jackals, elites are horrendously deadly in ground combat.
Jeff Watson Simple, you remember earlier when the Star Destroyer got rekt by those astroids? You see also they take damage from fighters crash into them, like damaging the shield generators and such. But Covie ships can sometimes take MAC rounds and still be able to continue fighting. By that I mean in the Halo movie AND book The Fall Of Reach. Not to mention they can tank missiles and other projectile munitions
Sangheili Blademan To start with the ships had been in the asteroid field for several days even though in the movie it seemed shorter than that. As to the ships destroying their shield generators through crashing if you go back and research the Last Jedi then you'll recall the Admiral being told the deflector shields where down AFTER Ackbar had gave the order to focus everything on the Eclipse. Now I've read the book but have not watched the movie and will not disagree with your reference however the sometimes usually occurred when the round missed the critical systems from what I can remember. I didnt say the covanents couldnt take a hit I daid you would need to prove they could withstand the concentrated fire of the SD weapons systems. The problem with using the movies is the Imps are severely nerfed by the plot. If you're going to use scenes without taking into account the plot armor, lack of translating the elapsed timeframe which would allow you to take into account how long they've been taking consistent hits from asteroids or how like I said the bridge shield specifically had already been knocked out prior to being crashed into by an A-wing then please take the time to actually back up your use of those examples like you did with your Halo references that way I can either A concede your point or B counter with why its less a point than an opinion based on a lack of understanding, knowledge, or data.
No I felt it necessary to go in depth with my point since you to both use examples of why the Empire SD were with no explanation other than two scenes from the movies and then went on to use vague examples of the Covenant ships tanking mac rounds and pushing through which I chose not to argue however since you would like to insult me for attempting to be in depth with the backing of my claims to allow you to give a decent chance to counter my points by being specific I shall now thank you for showing your lack of ability to defend your position and say have a nice day and next time try to be accurate in your knowledge if you're going to use it as an arguement.
If I'm remembering the lore rightly, Covenant ships are extremely resilient to energy weapons. It fits the general theme in Halo that Energy weapons beat shields and ballistics beat armour. So assuming the ISD does have stronger shields and that their firepower is equal - the CCS can keep on tanking.
You failed to mention that the ccs cruiser would stomp the imperial 2 if it shoots it with its plasma lance. Those covenant energy projectors are crazy strong super accurate and have a lot of range. I dont think an imperial 2 could take the damage of an energy projector for too long.
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So where did he get that Covenant shields are weaker against Plasma based weaponry? As far as I know, it was just a gameplay mechanic to balance Covenant and UNSC weapons. It’s also fallacious to assume infantry based shielding is the same as capital ship grade shielding. He also forgot to account for speed, which is very important.
I think (and no offense) your just a halo fan more so than a star wars fan, i know next to nothing about halo so i cant prove your claims right or wrong (which i never intended to prove you wrong or right anyway) so this is all i can say
Jacob Carney Actually a ISD uses durasteel metal which is stronger than regular steel but weaker than titanium. UNSC ships are made from titanium and they get rekted in one hit of an energy projector.
I personally think you're somewhat incorrect about the effectiveness of energy weapons against covenant shields, or if you're correct then the hull strength of the ship must be considered as fairly durable. I say this because we've seen covenant ships against energy-based weaponry during the great schism, the elite civil war, and other postwar conflicts. They prove to be fairly effective against plasma and energy weapons in practice. It's absolutely true that covenant plasma is more effective against covenant shields than human bullets, but I'd guess it was more a matter of relative effectiveness, that is to say it isn't so much that plasma is much more effective, it's that bullets are much less. We also can assume the CCS is fairly maneuverable, as far as spacecraft are concerned. Positioning matters in a halo space engagement, to the point where savvy shipmasters have used allied vessels with stronger shields as protection from plasma weaponry fired at them. As these videos usually assume equally competent captains, I say this not because I think the shipmaster would be tactically better, but just that the CCS has, like other covenant ships, a degree of mobility. I am not sure how it would compare to a star destroyer, though, so that's something worth considering as well. Personally, I think the battle will likely go to whoever can bring their main weapons to bear the quickest. A plasma lance could do severe damage (I'd imagine it wouldn't be entirely dissimilar from the Episode III artillery gun in the hangar of the Venator), as would a broadside of turbolasers.
One of the intangibles you didn't talk about is the Slip Space Jump (Halo Lightspeed). The Covenant has used Slip Space Jumps to gain tactical advantage. They can close in the distance on a Star Destroyer and get behind them. Also they could use slip space right next to them to create a huge explosion like in Halo Reach.
Rev BladeZ I do see your point about the shockwave from Slipspace not working in space. But stills think the precise nature of Covenant slip space can take advantage of the Star Destroyer’s blind Spot.
Rev BladeZ I see what you are talking about, but that is 2 dimensional thinking. They can get the projection at the belly of the ship or behind. The Star Destroyers are not very maneuverable. You also forget that closing the distance will allow for most of the weapons to shot and allowing the Seraph Fighters to run amok.
Rev BladeZ I think you forget that the wedge shape design of the ship to have all guns able to fire forward gives it a huge flaw which is why they work best as a fleet ship, but one on one the Covenant can exploit its design flaws.
Alright. Eck, I think you got this very wrong this time. And I do mean very. First of all, we have enough canon material so using legends sources shouldn't be done. So the old thrawn novels and so on should be disregarded, since we already have enough material in canon to determine things. This means we should use our canon sources as a basis. And what do the canon sources tell us about the star destroyer? Range: As seen in the last jedi, star wars ships have a limited range that they're effective in, which is close visual range. And as seen in many sources, including rebels, we see how weak the firepower actually can get at close ranges. Bombardment of Athalon for instance, it gets to small grenade level firepower. Let's talk about armour. Durasteel is what the ISD is made of no? It's stated to be stronger than steel but weaker than titanium. Let's talk propulsion. The ISD basically is pushed forwards thanks to its thrust, and has to do a turn if it wants to change direction. Shield talk, it does seem that some of its weakness is kinetic objects. We've seen how it reacts when it crashes with other objects, ISD on ISD, light cruiser on ISD, fighters on ISD. Fighters seem to go through the shields if they get close enough too as seen during the x-wing engagement over the blockade of Lothal. Now let's look at the CCS-Class battlecruiser. Yes, range IS important. Very much so. The CCS can fire its pulse laser turrets at ranges of at least 10,000km And the known distance an energy projector was fired is 100,000km. That is WAYYYY past the distance a ship such as the ISD can engage a target at. And the pulse laser turrets are point defense but can effectively melt 45cm of titanium-A armour in a single volley. And remember the thing about durasteel being weaker than titanium? Titanium-A being stronger than regular titanium and nanolaminate, what is used on the CCS, being stronger than Titanium-A. It is stated that with its shield reinforcements, it can withstand the fury of a nearby nuclear explosion. That's a lot of firepower. The plasma torpedoes actually can wreck energy shielding, such as when a frigate's plasma torpedo struck the destroyer during the Keyes's loop, it took down its shielding, then another struck and dealt a major blow to the hull, sending it plummeting down. Those are no joke. The energy projectors? They have such power, they'd probably be able to deal a major structural damage to the ISD while still taking down its shields, probably. But we've seen how a marathon was being completely annihilated by the energy projector in halo 2. The firepower on the CCS is orders of magnitude higher than the star destroyer. Yes, it does need to raise down a SECTION of the shields to fire, but its only for a moment, and a section. So good luck dealing any major damage to the nanolaminite hull. Movement wise, the CCS has repulsor engines which allow it to move in pretty much any direction, allowing it to glide, thus giving it more maneuverability, and ability to dodge fire too, because we've seen over and over again how innacurate turbolaser fire can be... So now imagine distance, and maneuverability to avoid it... And again on shields, remember that the firepower is much stronger and can produce EMP effects which is why their shields are more prone to plasma based damage. With the canon we have, and especially upon seeing The Last Jedi and what kind of ranges weapons are effective at, CCS wins it very very big. It's just got the advantage in armour, shields, engines, firepower, range, fighters. It outclasses the ISD so much. Also wished you had used the artwork I produced with both ships facing each other.
erickyboo Well done spartan o7 that pretty much rounds up everythingh i wanted to say in a WAY better way. .....he needs to see that. ..but i feel he doesnt want to accept it thats why i dislike his vids :/ Any great job thx
Since you brought up a boarding party at the end I think it would be cool if a second part video was added using what these ships could carry into ground combat and put them head to head.
High Templar(Starcraft) vs Jedi/Sith Raynor's Raiders(Starcraft) vs Resistance Terran Dominion(Starcraft) vs Galactic Republic/New Republic Protoss(Starcraft) vs Covenant Zerg (Starcraft) vs Empire Protoss(Starcraft) vs CIS United Koprulu Sector(Starcraft) vs United Star Wars Galaxy 71st try. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!
Weapons range in space isn't affected by either air resistance or drop off due to gravity like weapons on Earth. A weapon fired in space will continue in a straight line forever untill it hits something or affected by a massive gravity source like a star. The problem is that even if you can see a target at 10 light minutes if you use a sensor system that is limited by lightspeed, such as radar or lidar, what you are seeing is where the target was 20 minutes ago and if you are using laser weaponry it would take a further 10 minutes for your shoots to impact. This would only work on targets that can't move or change course like space stations or planets. The Mass Effect explanation on space combat was pretty good with the longest range engagements occurring between dreadnaughts as their massive cannons could fire the fastest and their bulk meant that they couldn't move very fast out of the way of enemy shoots.
You are mostly correct about range not being an issue, however energy weapons will still be affected by the square cube law, similar to how the farther you get from a light source the dimmer it gets.
Zablock Awesomeguy I read up on that law on Wikipedia so I may not fully understand what you mean but wouldn't that only affect a light source that radiates it energy in all directions like a star or lightbulb. A laser or plasma weapon would be designed to maintain a focus point or stream. Even if you are correct it wouldn't affect accuracy but it would affect energy imparted to the target as thus make he weapons less deadly.
Star wars dont use actual lasers as their main weaponry. And in the last jedi we've seen that star wars ships do have a fairly limited close range effectiveness. So in star wars canon, yes range is important. It's the whole plot point too of TLJ.
erickyboo if it is not lasers then what is it? Also that plot point of range in the last Jedi is bullshit. They have missiles and torpedoes in Star Wars, they have faster starfighters and the only reason you need to continue to burn fuel for propulsion if is you are constantly accelerating.
YES! Star ship verses is back! Also I have some good ideas. *1.* T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing *2.* Aclemator Class Assult Ship VS Nebulon B Frigate *3.* Tie Defender VS Tie Silencer *4.* MC85 VS MC90
Could you include some terran vessels from star craft in your versus?? That would be a pretty cool addition to these vs videos :D Also your videos are awesome!!
Suggestion for galactic versus. Space pirates ( metroid series ) vs The Shadow collective ( star wars.) The reason I chose the shadow collective to fight the space pirates is that though the metroid series especially the prime games cover the space pirate ground forces really well, they don't say much about the space ships. So I have the shadow collective as there opponent since they would have a navy of criminal ships which would give the Pirates a better chance.
In my opinion the covenant would win about 5.5 times out of ten because of their excavation beams as you pointed out in a previous video that those beams were capable of punching through the unsc infinity's shields which would be more advanced in my opinion since they were based off of forerunner technology so I believe that the excavation beams would have no problem punching through an imperial 2's shields.
But what makes you think they would be able to destroy the isd before it destroys them? as pointed out it has loads of weapons (i mean cmon 100 turbolaser batteries? that's pretty powerful on its own not counting the ion cannons)?
Covenant win no question, I like Star Wars, but their tech is just goofy and unrealistic, by comparison the halo universe has by FAR more grounded and realistic technology than Star Wars, in no way am I saying that they're 100% scientifically accurate, a physically accurate and actually working real life warship wouldn't for example keep its thrusters on when in motion, it wouldn't have an aerodynamic shape, wouldn't likely have windows at all, and would be overall far more comparable to a submarine than an actual warship, what I'm saying is that in a realistic environment a halo ship would work FAR better than a Star Wars one, within their own universes I still think the CCS wins.
luckysix not everything, but yes ringworlds are a thing that has been theorized, look up megastructures, scientists even think we may have found a Dyson sphere, I'm not saying it's 100% realistic I'm just saying it's far more realistic than anything Star Wars has.
Captain Comet But all of that falls apart because we know how old earth is, and I am pretty sure there isn't enough space to fit ancient humanity have it die off, wait for a long time then start repopulating it and create are current history.
A boarding party of less than a thousand elites would suffice. They have personal shields and powerful plasma weaponry. Not even mentioning their superior physiology and military discipline.
Internet Zen Master realistic. The best ships suited for things like point defence, ship-to-ship combat, EWAR/logistics, strike craft deployment, target saturation, hit and run, etc.
Internet Zen Master so not really a few dozen retribution class battleships screening for an executor class star destroyer supported by a fleet of forerunner war sphinxes
Elites on board the star destroyer would be very bad for the stormtroopers. If the seraphs could get teams on board overwhelming force would be needed to stop them. On that note elites have specialized boarding teams that are better trained for ship combat, physically support, and better equiped.
Your last comment about boarding parties got me thinking, which faction do you think has the best space-based infantry for the purposes of boarding actions? And which faction's primary ship would have the best chance of staving off a boarding party?
the CCS is faster, more maneuverable, has stronger armor, has a better structural design, carries a complement of elite soldiers that outclass anything onboard an ISD(and a fleet of boarding craft to carry them), has superior range, power and accuracy(when disregarding ridiculous legends numbers), has superior battle doctrine(and 9/10 times better crew and command), carries a fighter fleet that would significantly outnumber any TIE complement that could be carried by an ISD(the majority of which are Seraphs, a fighter craft that is significantly better than any common TIE variants), carries a slip space drive calibrated and run by advanced computer systems(thus allowing the CCS to use FTL travel as a tactical advantage), and covenant shielding is incredibly strong(as demonstrated by multiple covenant civil conflicts in which advanced plasma based weapons are largely incapable of piercing or significantly reducing the shields outfitted on most large covenant vessels).
not really the isd has 200 gigatons of firepower per turbolaser shot in legends and can hit a target at 11 light minutes away the canon ones lose without a doubt though they are significantly weaker in disney canon
Richard Mc Enteggart I know that we can disregard legends I was just stating that in no way can the ccs beat the legends isd as the best it could do is draw since the shields on the isd then need to be capable of taking barrages of 200 gigaton turbolasers which would mean that the isd would be nearly indestructible for the ccs and only its main weapon could hope of doing any sort of damage and then it would need to get into close quarters and the isd would shred it So legends wins 9.95/10 While canon wins 0.5/10 I feel like is the more accurate representation since any battle that they are starting out more than 100 km from eachother the ccs would win
Thunderbolt starfury from Babylon 5 vs the Sabre from Halo Reach. VF-1S Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross (not Robotech) vs the Union Overflag from Gundam 00. Sinanju from Gundam Unicorn vs the Gaia Gear Alpha from Gundam Gaia Gear.(battle of the literal Char clones).
Aaand Ecks is using noncanon material again for Star Wars. And the battles seen in the books for Halo are usually thousands of kilometers apart. SW is usually in the same range as the Battle of Trafalgar. No seriously, the Resistance survived for as long as they did in TLJ because the range of the FO ships was so fucking bad. That is the canon range for SW ships. We see it in Clone Wars, Rebels, all the movies. Talks about about defense in terms of shields only. Discounts armor ENTIRELY. What the hell. Also when it comes to shielding, the only time energy weapons made it through Covenant shields reliably was when Cortana MODIFIED the Weapons on the Ascendant Justice to an optimal set up that basically turned regular plasma turrets into mini energy projectors. Outside of that,, there was one battle where Covenant ships fought each other where we had enough depth to see how things went and and the only time we see an energy weapon drop an enemy's shields in one shot was when an ORS heavy cruiser overcharged it's main weapon (which has a Forerunner core) and used that to obliterate an enemy FRIGATE's shields. Also even when the shields are down, the nanolaminate armor of covenant ships (which is meters thick) is extremely heat resistant and very effective at dispersing it. And the shields of the SW universe are only effective against projectiles OR energy weapons with particle and ray shielding. *"I have no bias against either."* *"I do believe SW is on a higher energy level than Halo."* Do you ever listen to these before putting them up? As it is, you mentioned all the weapons on the CCS and ISD and utterly failed to take into account if the effectiveness of the energy projectors. If those penetrate the ISD's shields, the beam would wreck havoc on the ISD. You disregarded armor, never mentioned the pulse lasers can be used offensively not just in a PD role. Also you forgot one key thing. A couple of ion torpedoes completely wrecked an ISD's shit. What would a salvo of plasma torpedoes do to the ISD?
Master Asia thanks man I was thinking the same thing. "I think star wars is on a higher level than Halo" (not with Disney it isn't) even if you use ICS you can still get higher yields for halo. And he also ignored covenants nanolaminated armours resistance to energy weapons. Also left RANGE AS A TIE it's not even close the whole point of tlj was that turbolazers lost power after 100 km wear as we have covenant energy projectors with a range of 100,000km . 10/10 the ISD gets sniped from 100000km away or boarded and turned into a charnel house. Edit: or they get their exposed bridge shot off .
When we joined the covenant, we took an oath *according to our station all without exception* On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons, we swore to uphold the covenant *even to our dying breath*
Are particle shields still part of Disney canon? I ask because if you look at Rogue One and The Last Jedi there's a lot of things that it looks like should be stopped by particle shields that go straight through (the TIE attack on the Raddus's bridge for example: either the TIEs or their projectiles should smack into the shield that is still up).
Huh? Particle don’t deflect lasers, they deflect solid objects. Deflector shields deflect lasers. In rogue one, the ties that shoot the profundity are hitting the deflector shields, and the shields hold. Whereas in the last Jedi, the Raddus class emitted a bubble shield instead of a hull hugging shield. Idk wtf the director was thinking, if you have a bubble shields small fighters can just get under the shield and do hull damage. So to answer your question, rogue one had both particle shields and deflector shields, whereas the last Jedi had stupid ass bubble shield.
Which makes TLJ even worse since all the FO had to do to win was have Kylo jump back in his fighter and fly back to the Raddus, get beneath their shields and shred the engines.
Nicholas Wong Wrong, deflector shields are a combination of shield types that deflect both particle/solid objects and energy. Particle shields only stop solid objects and ray/energy shields stop energy.
Hey hey. it's a return to the ship vs ship series! Any possibility of other sci-fi factions making an appearance like Tyranids from 40k or Robert Heinlein's Earth Federation Starship Troopers? Can't wait to see what's coming next :)
Covenant torpedoes are vastly superior to any firepower the Empire has on their Battlecruisers. They are fire and forget weapons that will track their target no matter where the target moves to. A couple hits would most likely take out the shields of the Battlecruiser and a 3rd would gut the ship bow to stern.
Idk. The canon book Tarkin mentions that turbolasers are nuclear in nature. Star Destroyers are able to tank shots from rebel cruisers for a long time before being breached, but their durability is limited once their shields fail. The Battle of Endor went on for several hours. The Covenant definitely has a fighter quality edge and more accurate guns. Star Destroyers have more fighters and more guns.
Best transports. CIS can have C-9979 landing craft, The empire can have the Gozonti, The Republic can have the Pelta-class frigates, and last but not least the GR-75. I know that some aren't technically transports, but they've all been shown in some medium to transport goods.
This is a very close battle between the Star Destroyer and the Ccs, While the Star Destroyer has much more powerful weapons and it's a lot more durable, the Ccs on the other hand is much more versatility, it's slightly faster, and has better Fighters then the imperials, (Seraphs>Tie fighters) though i got to go with the Star Destroyer it's much more powerful and the Shielding are much better then the Ccs shielding, the only thing i could see the Ccs winning this battle if it can keep it's distance away from the Star Destroyer.
ISD 6/10 is pretty close to what I would say. Star Wars seems to be up and over the Covenant in power level but not that much. The flexibility and maneuverability of the CCS levels the playing field quite a bit. I'd give it to the ship that got the first good hit in, whether that's a turbolaser barrage or a solid hit with the plasma lance.
Super carrier all day. Longer pulses from the plasma weapons, followed by guided plasma torpedos, boarding parties of cloaked elites *and* the *shielded* fighters it has on board.
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EckhartsLadder Wish you would of Included Imperium of man ship ya know to spice things up
both ships get a TIE? but only the empire uses those!
EckhartsLadder can I give a suggestion, the pride of the core vs 5 recusant class battle cruisers/ 5 mc80 liberty class cruisers
EckhartsLadder u can't say that their shielding is inferior considering they can redirect their shields to reinforce other areas (Example from Halo Hunters in the Dark) They could just simply and easily direct all shielding to the front of the ship and ram the star destroyer and annihilate it.
EckhartsLadder again this is my opinion but I find star wars ships kind of pathetic when considering the obvious rear weakness which the covenant could easily exploit with a slip space jump behind them.
I think everyone is forgetting about the famous Covenant tactic of doing a slipspace jump midsystem and appearing in different locations.
Because that really is a massive advantage.
Idk man, what if a single fighter hits the bridge?
With shields still up? Probably won't make much of a dent besides a pretty explosion blocking their view for a few seconds.
That's one way to do it. But the CCS can simply destroy it by itself. We've seen during the Battle of Lothal with the X-wings, they just went close enough to where they could hit the ISD and inflict damage.
Okay, that one honestly made me laugh. :3
No, the Executor's sheilds were down and a metal ship hit glass. A modern day rocket would destroy the bridge if the sheilds were down because it would be hitting GLASS with thin metal beams holding the panes of glass in place.
+Mr. Hand You're also proving that your arguments in this VS. debate are invalid to the lore of Halo or Star Wars, because your arguments are inconsistent with the established lore of both Star Wars Legends and Halo. There has been absolutely no mention of an ECM device on ISD-II's in *any* Star Wars book, novel, game, or cross-section view. You also claimed that ISD-II's possess better point-defense weaponry than the Covenant, which is a lie because the "Legends" ISD-II is armed with turbolasers, heavy turbolasers, Octuple Barbette turbolaser or ion cannon batteries, and ion cannons; while turbolasers can kill a starfighter in one shot, they are ineffective in this role because of their slow tracking speed and rate of fire. In comparison, Covenant warships have point-defense weaponry in the form of Pulse Laser Turrets which fire high-intensity laser bolts at near speed-of-light velocity with a very high degree of accuracy. I'm an avid Halo and Star Wars fan, but I know that the ISD-II is outgunned in this fight because the CCS battlecruiser has long-ranged plasma weapons that are ship-killers, superior armor and maneuverability, and Covenant Energy Shielding on their warships is regarded in Halo lore as "notoriously resilient". Star Wars energy shielding has be described as an effective defense against dispersed fire, but an ineffective defense against concentrated fire in a single spot; conveniently enough the CCS battlecruiser's energy projectors fire a continuous beam at a single area with pinpoint accuracy. If you want to try to refute my claims, you may do so. However, don't have your rebuttal to my argument include facts that don't exist for the ISD-II in Star War Legends, and please try to be objective and civil in your rebuttal instead of blatantly favoring Star Wars in your refuting arguments because I was objective and civil in my argument to you.
Wood fired pizza how’s pizza gonna get a job now?
TheManOfTheMemes you truly are a man of the memes
Who would win head of a covenant fleet (ccs cruiser) or one spike boi (bomb in Halo 2)
Boi.
What about grunt goblin vs at-st?
What about boarding craft?
Due to having little point defense, isn't the star destroyer vulnerable to Covenant boarding parties then planing antimatter charges?
Maybe, but keep in mind that the ISD is also carrying normally a legion of Stormtroopers, all armed with various plasma based weapons and the home-turf advantage.
but can they aim at invisible elite infiltrators?
Yes very vulnerable. CCS had like 50 or so boarding craft. That's a pretty good amount of troops. Elites and brutes would slaughter troopers. And imagine when they deploy the hunters. They could bring attention away from the CCS by either planting bombs or simply shooting everything to try to capture the bridge
DeathmasterSniktch keep in mind the that grunts and jakels are the size of humans, elites and brutes are 8 feet tall, and hunters are 13 feet tall
DeathmasterSniktch going against sangheili warriors face to face? Stprm troopers dont stand a chance, brutes? Not in close quarters no way, hunters? Definitely not. Covies get a decent boarding party and they'll cut down any trooper.
Elite Honor Guards vs Imperial Guards
The Elites would slaughter, their elites, how couldn't they?
That will be awesome
Well Royal Guards are highly trained in martial arts I forgot what type and I know it can cripple an Elite plus don't forget there's a Shadow guard which is a force-user
@@chilltrooper9695 Elites are also trained from birth to be deadly warriors and they are also natutally very large ceatures who are suprisingly quick and resilient to damage, I think an elite can easily take on a Royal Gaurd. (Not to me tion energy shields and highly dangerous weapons) As for Shadow Guards, thanks to the force alone I believe they can easily take on an elite or even two simultaneously, but who knows, a single quick and very skilled elite can maybe take one down, but I'd say Shadow Gaurds win 9/10 in 1v1 5/10 with 2 or more
Edit: Looking back on OPs comment, their also Honor Guards. Some of the most skilled and dangerous elites, I was talking more average elite. Seeing how Honor Gairds often wield energy sworda and are highly skilled in CQC. They have very strong sheilding, move deceptively quick for their size, and easily strong enough to break the bones of human like creatues with ease. So I change my numbers with Shadow Gaurds 6/10 and Royal Gaurds 2/10
sith Trooper if we don’t take the force into account elites are definitely twice as strong if not stronger then a normal human
One aspect that doesn't really get mentioned in these sorts of match-ups is the design of the ships. For example, the bridge. On a Covenant vessel it is located deep in the ship, while on most Star Wars ships, especially the star destroyers it is located in a prominent and vulnerable location.
Even more so, Star Wars has blatantly obvious shield projector targets. The big, spherical objects at the top of the T-shaped superstructure are, in fact, shield projectors. Once the shields are down, a sufficiently smart enemy will focus fire on those objects just to completely neutralize any ability to regenerate shields for an Imperial Star Destroyer. The Covenant do not suffer from the same issue, because their shield generators seem to be protected and placed deep inside the hull of the ship, behind layers of armor plating.
To be completely honest, visual navigation and targeting would be next to useless in an actual space battle, as ships are small, space is big. Detecting emissions is a far better method for locating ships.
Also, as some others in the comments have mentioned covenant boarding is extremely effective and exploits one of Star Wars' biggest weaknesses when it comes to shields. In Star Wars, anything moving slow enough can pass through shields. While covenant shields do not allow this.
The covenant could simply board the star destroyer with there very small, stealthy boarding craft. Even a small covenant boarding party of elites and grunts could easily start taking down key systems from the inside. Like the shields for instance.
@@Pure_L18well, assuming they pass the TIE fighters and turbolaser/ion cannon barrage, also, its a ship to ship combat, so the boarding parties are not allow here
@@alejandroelluxray5298 boarding parties should be allowed, it came from a ship right?
Alejandro Hernández the ccs could just send a shit ton of seraphs and space banshees to clear up ties, and imperial 2 star destroyers have little to non point defense weapons, and have a vulnerable underbelly. Boarding craft would get past those obstacles.
2:25 "destroying the entire surface, making it inhabitable" aw, thanks covenant, now I can live here
Covanent: Aww don't mention it
According to our station,
All without exception,
On the blood of our fathers,
On the blood of our sons,
We swore to uphold the Covenant,
Even to our dying breath.
And those who break this oath are heretics, worthy with neither pity or mercy.
Even now, they use our lords' creations, to broadcast their lies.
By the prophets what have these Imperials done? They have shed our brother's blood and for that THEY MUST DIE! 😡
This armor suits you but it cannot hide that mark.
You are the arbiter the will of the prophets. But these are my elites there lives matter to me yours does not.
"Pilots and Commanders are equally skilled" Ecks it pretty hard to find Incompetent shipmasters. Maybe give a grunt command of the ship.
Thel 'Vadam Not all imperials are overconfident
Yeah that's a pretty generous assumption :P
*NOT AS LONG AS I AM ALIVE*
Stakuga The Undying no I'm pretty sure they are all overconfident
Thel 'Vadam
Grunts arent that stupid when trained right
Also, it may be interesting to point out general ship layout and design. The Star Destroyer has an exposed, vulnerable bridge while Covenant ships typically have their bridges positioned deep within their ships. That being said, it's still difficult to compare armor. I found out from Luke TheNotable that Covenant ships are covered in nano-laminate, a material apparently stronger than titanium. I'm not entirely sure how this affects the outcome of this match up, but I'm certain it has some effect.
Sam Andriacchi I have heard somewhere that Star Destroyers use Dura-armor, though I am not sure if they were talking about ISDs
I don't get this "Star Wars ships have exposed, vulnerable bridges, while X doesn't." There is no reason not to assume that SW ships wouldn't have a CIC like real world warships do along with the real world "exposed and vulnerable" bridge.
Huge effect nanolaminate is extremely durable against energy weapons
+Plasmacore V, oh yes their is reason to assume they don't have backup bridges, the majority of the reason to assume that is the scene (canon scene) where an A-wing crashes into the main bridge of the executer adn it just crashes into the death star. Plus they still have no FUCKING POINT DEFENSE WHEN ALL THEY FIGHT ARE BASICALLY FIGHTERS.
+Plasmacore V, and ww1 ships didn't have backup bridges, star wars uses ww1 and ww2 tactics (mostly ww1 for empire ww2 for rebels) so no reason to assume why they would have a backup bridge when their ww1 counterparts didn't.
I don't think you put boarding parties into enough consideration. With no point defense, they could easily board. And it's not like the storm troopers would pose much of a threat
But the Covenants haven't developed plot-armor yet, so they would be more vulnerable to Stormtrooper fire than the average Rebels with names.
No plot armour needed to deploy troops which are shielded, and stronger than humans by a lot, and have devastating firepower. That's sangheili alone.
@Mr. Hand, I don't know a great deal about SW, I don't know a great deal about Halo... But you seem to be very, very far off the mark here. When have we ever seen any of this in star wars movies (The primary source of canon)? We haven't seen these flak-tubo's and anti fighter launchers? Well sorry mate, but when you start importing things from (I assume) legends which contradicts movies, I'd say your on very thin ice indeed.
Also, sniper rifles in cqc scenario's lol.
I don't underestimate Stormtroopers, they just really suck at fighting. Elites are so strong they can breaks necks with single hits from their massive muscular arms, same for brutes. The 'elite' forces of Stormtroopers equal to average elites. Here, play the first mission in halo ce on heroic, when the covenant board the autumn. Count how many times one if them hit you, that's a kill.
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That's fucking autistic
Massive Star wars fan here. honestly imo, I think that the Covenant Cruiser will win.
The cruiser will simultaneously try boarding the star Destroyer while attacking it's weapon emplacements. once the star Destroyer is defenseless, the covenant forces will try to hack the destroyers computer. trying to ascertain the location of the imperial home world, and any other key information.
most likely using huragoks (engineers)
now in a destroy only scenario. the cruiser will just get under or behind the Destroyer, and glass it into slag. I feel after seeing cruisers in Halo 3, 3: odst, and reach. that they are far more agile.
and whilst star wars has the tie fighters, the covenant has hundreds of banshees ready for combat.... and considering a covenant ship can do this (ua-cam.com/video/rRO8blc96pI/v-deo.html) to the spirit of fire without the ships energy shields even flaring without firing a single shot! what do you think the covenant ship could do if they was ACTUALLY TRYING. And they also under-estimated the covenants glassing. that can literally cut through UNSC ships like butter and how they would try to sneak bombs onto the ship along with the troops as a failsafe!(ua-cam.com/video/yzXx8MiHV9g/v-deo.html) and how the covenant has the sangheli/elites who will not give up even if you destroy their ship. so if the covenant somehow lost their ships, all the troops would be on phantoms and banshees going to the star destroyer.
to end this simply.... if the covenant did not win..... they would tie....
@@t1tanfallpr025 To be fair, the Spirit of Fire was a prewar ship, using different material from postwar, and the ISD (I assume) doesn't use the same material as the UNSC. Infact, the ISD is (obviously) more advance than the Spirit of Fire, so not to be a big SW fan, but bold of you to assume that the Covenant cruiser is capable of ramming the ISD with no trouble..
You're statements wouldn't work. Volly of Turbolasers would devastate the CCS Cruiser shields. It would be a quick battle, but let day the boarding craft was used. There big enough to have a Turbolaser shoot it with minor difficulty. The I would say Tie fighters would be pretty effective. Also I've done research and I've come to a conclusion that Laser Canons are stronger then the Pusle canon the Covenant uses.
@@t1tanfallpr025 remember than the human ships of Halo had no shields, so a ship of a big size with a shield could be able to atleast tank one of those hits, alongside the other weapons of the Covenant battlecruiser, also, the ion cannons could shut down many of the Covenant ship sistems, including the glassification cannon, that will let the Covenant battlecruiser very vulnerable
@@Howardtheone i never said no trouble but I believe it will be easier than he gives them credit for
I disagree, because we see a few seconds of fire from a plasma lance, Cut through a Halcyon class light cruiser. Sure a star destroyer has better Sheilds, but that kind of fire power would a wreck a star destroyer
Mr. Hand, I don’t mean cut through. I just mean that sustained fire could likely bring down the shields. At that point, the ISD would just get cut up by the CCS, and battered with plasma torpedos. Even if this didn’t happen, the covenant has superior fighters, like seraphs,
Didn't a heavy fighter in rebels destroy a star destroyer with a concentrated beam? Some of the plasma canons/turrets in halo shown to do that. If not destroy the star destroyer maybe distrust it.
that was a marathon with considerably less titanium plating than a halcyon
@@tallerstond8105 still a laser that’s able to cut through dozens of decks of titanium a armour is no joke
To all the people who think that this is not feasible, I disagree. The Covenant could do an intra-system jump behind the star destroyer (or below, they don't just have to be above them, only above them relative to the CCS) and they can glass them. The ship might take heavy damage from such a maneuver, but it is still certainly possible.
The covenant have weapons can also be guided after firing increasing accuracy and damage. The bridge of the star destroyer would also be target fired when the covenant know about its critical logistics of the ship. It wasn't done for the pillar of autumn because they didn't want it to damage the ring by word of a prophet on board the covenant fleet ship.
Hell yes starship versus!!!!!
I think more research should be done on the comparison:
Firepower: It depends on the yield level and canon you use. If you use the most current canon for both, you have CCS Cruisers and similar level ships doing multi-megaton level feats with their Plasma Torpedoes, whilst Plasma Projectors are also in the megatons. Current Disney Canon is kiloton level aside from the Mandator. However, ICS/Legends would put the ISD in the high gigatons to teratons, and it would only be fair to allow high end calcs for Halo to be used also, where a CCS can survive hits from 1.17 Teraton MACs. I think it goes like this:
Legends/ICS ISD > High End CCS Cruiser >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Mid End CCS Cruiser >>> Disney ISD >= Low End Cruiser
Using the ideal mid end and current cannon, the CCS Cruiser wins out
Range: Same deal. Legends blows Halo out of the water, but current Disney Canon range is *pitiful*, whilst Covenant ships can fire from hundreds of thousands of kilometers at max with blasts that go at sizable fractions of light speed
Speed: I think the CCS Cruiser would have an advantage here, as it has a higher acceleration rate and has a more streamlined design.
Shielding: Again, depends on the canon and calc yields. At highest, a Legends/ICS ISD would win, but the between most current incarnations, the Cruiser can take hits from multi-megaton asteroids whilst ISDs get downed by much smaller kiloton level asteroids.
Overall, it depends on the canon and calcs being used.
UNSC macs are not at tereton level, their fusion generators simply cannot realistically produce that much energy.
@@suzumiyaharuhi3438 Yet somehow they are able to produce those levels of energy. The calcs don't lie. The Infinity was calculated to equal several teratons of TNT, so were Reach ODPs. For the Reach ODP's case, we are literally given the numbers of its mass and velocity.
@@atmosrex7126 ODP sure, its power came from ground facilities and fires every 5 minutes or so at full charge. Capital ships impossible due to the fact that the fuel consumed for the fusion reaction would literally be more than the ships' total mass.
@@suzumiyaharuhi3438 the Infinity is larger than any ODP
ODPs are about similar size, though 1/5 the mass, of an Autumn Class Heavy Cruisers too.
@@atmosrex7126 ICS books have been republished in 2020 by Lucasfilm (owned by Disney) and combined into one book: "Star Wars Complete Vehicles New Edition".
So ICS stuff is canon, albeit still high-end.
I do think that it is worth noting that in star wars, star fighters do tend to play a much larger role in combat against capital ships than they do in Halo. This would mean that the durability of the seraph would make a pretty huge difference. We see rebel fighters destroying the sensor arrays on top of the ship without its shields going down at all. If the CCS were to deploy her complement of fighters while outside of engagement range, and have them disable the sensors, then beyond visual range engagements would massively favor the Covenant. The seraphs don't even need to defeat the TIEs (which it seems that they should be able to do), they just have to get one through to hit the target. The star destroyer would then have to close to visual before being able to engage, during which time it is being constantly hit. That is a very long time to be getting shot at while being unable to shoot back.
"I think the star destroyer as a similar amount of power"
**Laughs in sangheili**
Your conclusion is somewhat reasonable, however I think you forgot about the armor of the CCS. Although you are correct that Covie shields have a predisposition against plasma based weaponry. Their nanolaminate armor is designed to withstand massive amounts of heat.
UNSC weaponry was actually more effective against the hull/armor than the shields of a covie ship.
Both are figurably comparable both in reliance and in image (both are terrifying symbols of their respective factions)
However most covie ships, including the CCS, are better designed, the bridge is located in the center of the ship, the engines, the reactor, and the shield generators are not exposed.. all of these are exposed for the ISD with the last one ( the shield generators / domes) often being targeted in order to take the ship down relatively easier than just shooting the ISD out of the sky.
For me, I think this would be a dead tie with a slight lean to the CCS, simply because it lacks obvious design flaws which can be exploited, unlike the ISD.
Adam Leith
Also the range of the energy Projektor is way further then the ISD onces with over 100.000 km
BloodAngel9 ForSanguinius
100.000km is the range of that. ...dont need to get close
Plus Ecks likes to forget one tiny little detail. If the CCS did the exact opposite of staying at range, and jumped in close. Why does this matter? Because the ISD retardedly has all it's heaviest weapons on the TOP of the ship. If the CCS jumps beneath the ISD, it can gut the star destroyer like a fish with little to no retaliation.
Too close and the most the torps could do is singe the outer edge of the pizza of doom. Still the plasma lance is front and center on the top and bottom of the CCS and wouldn't have any trouble.
I think the main issue for the ISD is it lacks a weapon like the plasma lance or the MACs on the UNSC ships. A weapon system capable of doing catastrophic damage that could potentially hinder the defending vessels ability to fight back via sheer traumatic damage.
The CCS does have orders of magnitude more firepower than the ISD. And yes, the nanolaminite armour is better than titanium-A which is better than titanium which is better than Durasteel which is better than plain steel.
I think you're wrong on this one for a few reasons. One is that the Covenant have the ability to make incredibly short, and incredibly accurate, slipspace jumps. They would be able to jump behind the SD if they learn that they would be most effective behind it. Another point, one that you hinted at at the very end, would be boarding parties. The Covenant relied greatly on boarding parties. Once the SD's shields are down, and they would go down primarily because of the ventral beam, the CCS would no doubt launch volleys of boarding craft. With no point defense system, and the TIEs being tied up (pun intended), the boarding parties would land in droves and further wear down the SD from the inside. On foot, the stormtroopers stand no significant chance against Covenant ground forces. From the motion trackers to energy swords to personal cloaking devices to shields, the stormtroopers, even elite units, would fall very quickly. The SD's shields would go down before the CCS is disabled, no doubt. From there, the SD's bridge is extremely exposed, while the CCS's bridge is well protected inside the ship and would remain effective for significantly longer. Hence why, even with significant hull damage, Covenant ships could continue operating for much longer than UNSC vessels.
I didn't read it (as it's too long, read some of it, might finish it later)) and..are you just a halo fan or is this a real comparison? ive seen these comments and it's hard to tell who is actually comparing them and whos just a halo fan
nation hicks maybe you could figure it out if you actually read his comment. If you did you would understand that his comment is an objective analysis based on available lore.
Pretty much the reason irl navies switched from massive dreadnoughts to cruisers and aircraft... surgical maneuverability wins more efficiently than sledgehammer firepower
Exactly! Wish this was a pinned comment. It highlights exactly the important points this video is missing/ not considering. Well said 👍
@@joseluissilva6027 And what are Stormtroopers gonna do when a pair of Hunters come scooting down those narrow hallways?!? XD
You didn’t add the fact that in the halo books the covenant can guide there plasma torpedos mid flight and there command center in buried deep within the ship whereas we see in Star Wars the command center is often exposed at the top.
The Trooper thank you! Someone who's smart
I mean one covenant boarding party and the star destroyer is done. Unless there's a squad of Stormtroopers on every ship composed of troops that are 8 feet tall and can lift 1000 lbs one handed without even trying.
I hope you know the higher ups in the detah star order stormtrooper not to kill the escaping prisoner also by the way those they were chasing were main characters plot armor to the max just read the comics.
If the CCS got on top of the star destroyer it could literally take it out with a single shot from its glassing cannon, that thing literally has the power of a nuke
Turbolasers have the power of a nuke, and Star Wars shieldsblock their shots, so yeah, that´s not going to happen
@@alejandroelluxray5298 it can still
@@alejandroelluxray5298 the shields won't hold for ever
@@alejandroelluxray5298If you mean like energy shielding, nope. Glassing beams are pure, concentrated plasma- it would melt through it in seconds.
that is the worst place to attack a star destroyed tif the ccs class does that its gonna get cooked like a hog over a campfire
I don't think the taking down the section of shield will be a major disadvantage. After all It's like a meter of shielding that needs to be taken down on a ship that's almost 2 kilometers.
I think you are conflating a relative better performance against ballistic weapons with a weakness against energy weapons.
The expanded universe books, especially the 'tech' manuels, are horribly inconsistent with what we see in the movies, tv shows, and games regarding the firepower of imperial ships, especially in orbital bombardment roles.
If a single Star Destroyer could glass a planet, then the Death Star makes zero sense. A glassed planet is, frankly, a more vicerally terrifying threat. What's scarier, being shot with a 16in gun, or a flame thrower?
I think what we see in the movies and games and TV shows is accurate, a single turbolaser blast can outright destroy a moderately sized building, but anything approaching glassing would require hundreds of Star Destroyers over at least a couple of days.
+Mr. Hand, OFF OF THIS ONE AS WELL STOP BULLSHITTING ASSWIPE FOR FUCKS SAKE.
An ISD’s power is actually quite consistent. They are never given a chance to showcase their full power on-screen (mainly due to plot armor), and we’re going to disregard Rebels’ pathetic excuse for a bombardment because that’s just a convenient way to get the heroes out of a dangerous situation. ISDs are stated in multiple sources to be able to slag entire planets in a couple of hours. Many, many sources, several of them canon. An ISD is by no means as weak as you claim.
+Bookhead714, so we are disregarding the consistent canon firepower (which is weak as shit) because no reason, you just want them to be more powerful? The only sources that say anything like that are BS legends, and even then it's not consistent.
We’re disregarding an incredibly inconsistent source. The power of ISDs in Rebels is almost entirely plot-determined. One moment they’re a proper threat, the next they’re going down with no problems whatsoever. Rebels goes out of its way to make the Imperials as incompetent as possible at every occasion. Outside of Rebels, an ISD is very consistent with powering, being a huge threat to literally everything. In Rogue One, two of them hold off an entire fleet. In ANH, they disable the Tantive IV’s reactor with a single shot (after the shields are down). But in Rebels, they just fall apart like it’s nothing, never shoot anything, and when they do fire it’s almost pathetic.
+Bookhead714, ship to ship combat is never consistent in star wars, not in legends or canon. But ground bombardment is consistent in canon and not in legends. We are talking about ground bombardment.
My problem with Star Wars is that it's inherently fantasy, not science fiction. There is zero effort to make any of the technology realistic. A ship the size of a moon? A "turbolaser" that with one shot can boil an ocean? Any argument basically ends with "yea well, our turbolasers are super duper powerful and will blow up a solar system in one shot!"
Honestly though, this is a problem with most high-powered sci-fi. You see ship based weapons that fail at destroying another ship (even without shields), yet somehow inflict planetary-scale damage in other instances.
*laughs in warhammer 40k*
@@taragnor That's because the ship's are super durable...
@@yekkub9425 so how do they work the metal to make said ship?
@@joshuahadams Sci fi. Maybe they strengthened the materials' molecular bonds or whatever by adding energy directly into then.
Sorry for saying this so much, but you are forgetting that Covenant armor is quite resistant to energy-based weapons. That will have some impact on the battle. Also given the better overall maneuverability of the CCS, I’d estimate the Covenant win 80% of the time.
Exactly, the Nanolaminate Armor on covenant ships is several meters thick. Plus, it dissipates heat and disperses energy weapon blasts.
Glaive Forsyth I feel the extremely accurate slipspace jumps the Covenant ships can perform will also play into the fight, especially if multiple ships faced off at the same time
Your Mate Luke thank you, i thought i was the only one thinking about that, if I'm being fair, the ccs could possiblely slipspace jump above the isd and use it's excavation beam to bombard the ship
Jaden Monson
It has huge range on that thing anyway
Jaden Monson or below it, where the ISD(for some inconceivable reason) has no major weapons systems.
If you take slip space into account the covenant win hands down. It’s been shown they can maneuver around enemy ships using slip space portals. If the entered a portal coming in towards the star destroyer, they could then reappear at the flank and demolish the star destroyer.
Keep in mind that EckhartsLadder has stated that hyperspace is faster. This would likely still work though, as hyperspace is less precise.
Mosaic Slime yeah but why would you hyperspace if your only trying to flank a few hundred thousand kilometers, I would see no point in that since that takes energy , while the covenant can use it at ease
@@jadeno.2872 o yeah
Anytime I want to see huge amounts of passion on the internet I just come to EckhartsLadder and read the comment section.
Blacklight Virus vs The Flood
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blacklight
Good choice
The flood, they infest targets faster than the law of thermodynamics allows, a single ship worth of them is considered a good reason to glass most of Africa, and if they infest an entire planet worth of biomass, there's nothing Blacklight can do, oh, and they infest using their own special brand of space magic, so a biological resistance is impossible.
I do believe that Blacklight has shown similar rates of infection to the Flood, many sci fi infection do this so they aren't special on that,
Blacklight was predicted to end the Earth if it left Manhattan, which is why many billions of dollars were put into military expense to keep it there, and they were actually gonna nuke the city but failed after Alex Mercer dropped it into the ocean, so yeah
What if Blacklight were to also infect an entire planet of biomass?
What is this so called space magic, and why has some forms biological resistance/adaptation been shown in certain species? and it has been theorized that those like spartans might be resistant to infection, if not actually immune to the Flood
That's fair
Earth was expected to fall *in hours* after they touched down.
I don't know, but I doubt they'll be driving super AI capable of managing an entire interstellar empire with the industry to build entire planets as landscaping mad, nor throwing around multi-au objects made of pure thought strong enough to withstand a Black Hole's event horizon and tear Jupiter-sized superstructures into pieces.
Neural Physics, and some species can't be infected by infection forms, such as the Lekgolo, this doesn't mean a resistance to the Flood, as the Flood then just used them as biomass to create a grave/keymind ro pure forms, and the only Spartan who has shown any rresistance to the Flood was Sergeant Johnson, a Spartan I, and even then, that was the same case as with the lekgolo, his nervous system was too fucked to be worth making a combat form, so they would have just used him for sheer biomass had he note escaped, which he only did by virtue of the attack primarily being infection forms, which prioritised others over him.
Dark helmet vs Darth Vader
Dark helmet ez clap
No one seems to remember that Seraphs have slipspace drives. If the engagement starts at any range at all, the seraphs can start combat long before the ship combat starts, as we see in Halo: Reach. Also, I'm pretty sure hyperspace is a less flexible form of travel when compared to slipspace. It may be faster, but the CCS could just go from combatting them from the front to firing from range at the ISD's rear (Someone said something like this is possible with hyperspace, but we don't see anything of the sort in the actual material, while pinpoint slipspace jumps are not only a valid, well recorded phenomena, they are a significant part of the Covenant's ship-to-ship combat strategy).
Also, Their shielding isn't weak to energy weapons, the UNSC's guns are just weak in comparison, so the perspective is flawed at it's base. Case in point, MAC's still perform admirably vs. ships, even if the UNSC's rifles don't on the ground. It's about total energy output, not type of weapon. Not sure if this makes their shielding better or worse, but it is relevant.
To conclude, I'd like to point out a simple fact. The CCS' energy projectors glass planets. The ISD's bridge is extremely overexposed. Glassing beam + exposed bridge = quick win for CCS. Anyone please argue that the projector (that glasses planets) is somehow too weak to penetrate the shielding over the overexposed bridge. I'll laugh at you. Now, I'll give you that it may take a second, but that shielding will not hold up to that kind of force for more than a few moments, not in such a small area, and those projectors can run for quite a bit of time without stopping and it won't take long enough for the ISD to brute force the CCS to death, provided it can do so as easily as its been said to do. TL;DR The point I'm trying to make is that the CCS' projectors could take out the exposed bridge far faster than the ISD could spam the turbolasers enough to wreck the CCS.
I believe the Empire would win, but it would be an even closer match up. The covenant are infamous for boarding enemy vessels. We see this in Halo 1 and 2 where they board the Pillar of Autumn ship and the MAC station.
It should be noted that this is not a common action, but it is something that they will employ when their ship's weapons are not enough or viable options.
I would agree. I feel this was a missing catagory.
Erik Valiulis should have been covered in intangibles. Sure the commanders are equally skilled, but only the covenant ships seem to have dedicated boarding crafts. Again sadly I have to give it to the ISD, but I think it would have been closer due to this tiny well used factor. (Stormtroopers may be capable in the EU, but Lekgolo, jackals, elites are horrendously deadly in ground combat.
I'm inclined to believe that stealth elites would have a field day inside the ISD
monty python until the ISD commander starts venting atmosphere. Sure the space elites would survive, but not all are.
Not to mention Hunters lol.
YESSSS! Starship vs 👍🏻
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You completely disregarded the Covenant ships have incredible haul strength. That would make up for the shields
Not necessarily. How could you prove that the hull materials are stronger vs. Shields against the turbolasers of an ISD?
Jeff Watson
Simple, you remember earlier when the Star Destroyer got rekt by those astroids? You see also they take damage from fighters crash into them, like damaging the shield generators and such. But Covie ships can sometimes take MAC rounds and still be able to continue fighting. By that I mean in the Halo movie AND book The Fall Of Reach. Not to mention they can tank missiles and other projectile munitions
Sangheili Blademan To start with the ships had been in the asteroid field for several days even though in the movie it seemed shorter than that. As to the ships destroying their shield generators through crashing if you go back and research the Last Jedi then you'll recall the Admiral being told the deflector shields where down AFTER Ackbar had gave the order to focus everything on the Eclipse. Now I've read the book but have not watched the movie and will not disagree with your reference however the sometimes usually occurred when the round missed the critical systems from what I can remember. I didnt say the covanents couldnt take a hit I daid you would need to prove they could withstand the concentrated fire of the SD weapons systems. The problem with using the movies is the Imps are severely nerfed by the plot. If you're going to use scenes without taking into account the plot armor, lack of translating the elapsed timeframe which would allow you to take into account how long they've been taking consistent hits from asteroids or how like I said the bridge shield specifically had already been knocked out prior to being crashed into by an A-wing then please take the time to actually back up your use of those examples like you did with your Halo references that way I can either A concede your point or B counter with why its less a point than an opinion based on a lack of understanding, knowledge, or data.
Jeff Watson wow someone is salty
No I felt it necessary to go in depth with my point since you to both use examples of why the Empire SD were with no explanation other than two scenes from the movies and then went on to use vague examples of the Covenant ships tanking mac rounds and pushing through which I chose not to argue however since you would like to insult me for attempting to be in depth with the backing of my claims to allow you to give a decent chance to counter my points by being specific I shall now thank you for showing your lack of ability to defend your position and say have a nice day and next time try to be accurate in your knowledge if you're going to use it as an arguement.
Nice video man! Love the starship vs series. Been waiting for this one for a while
If I'm remembering the lore rightly, Covenant ships are extremely resilient to energy weapons.
It fits the general theme in Halo that Energy weapons beat shields and ballistics beat armour.
So assuming the ISD does have stronger shields and that their firepower is equal - the CCS can keep on tanking.
I've been waiting for this episode for half a year, and how it is here yay! :D
You failed to mention that the ccs cruiser would stomp the imperial 2 if it shoots it with its plasma lance. Those covenant energy projectors are crazy strong super accurate and have a lot of range. I dont think an imperial 2 could take the damage of an energy projector for too long.
@@thesenate6482 Then how do they get downed by simple turbolaser fire?
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So where did he get that Covenant shields are weaker against Plasma based weaponry? As far as I know, it was just a gameplay mechanic to balance Covenant and UNSC weapons. It’s also fallacious to assume infantry based shielding is the same as capital ship grade shielding.
He also forgot to account for speed, which is very important.
I think (and no offense) your just a halo fan more so than a star wars fan, i know next to nothing about halo so i cant prove your claims right or wrong (which i never intended to prove you wrong or right anyway) so this is all i can say
Makes a certain kind of sense that plasma can overwhelm shields with time. Covenant didn't face many equals in their wars.
Chris sonofPear Actually they fought civil wars against each other all the time.
Jacob Carney Actually a ISD uses durasteel metal which is stronger than regular steel but weaker than titanium. UNSC ships are made from titanium and they get rekted in one hit of an energy projector.
Jacob Carney From its shield or armor?
I personally think you're somewhat incorrect about the effectiveness of energy weapons against covenant shields, or if you're correct then the hull strength of the ship must be considered as fairly durable. I say this because we've seen covenant ships against energy-based weaponry during the great schism, the elite civil war, and other postwar conflicts. They prove to be fairly effective against plasma and energy weapons in practice. It's absolutely true that covenant plasma is more effective against covenant shields than human bullets, but I'd guess it was more a matter of relative effectiveness, that is to say it isn't so much that plasma is much more effective, it's that bullets are much less. We also can assume the CCS is fairly maneuverable, as far as spacecraft are concerned. Positioning matters in a halo space engagement, to the point where savvy shipmasters have used allied vessels with stronger shields as protection from plasma weaponry fired at them. As these videos usually assume equally competent captains, I say this not because I think the shipmaster would be tactically better, but just that the CCS has, like other covenant ships, a degree of mobility. I am not sure how it would compare to a star destroyer, though, so that's something worth considering as well.
Personally, I think the battle will likely go to whoever can bring their main weapons to bear the quickest. A plasma lance could do severe damage (I'd imagine it wouldn't be entirely dissimilar from the Episode III artillery gun in the hangar of the Venator), as would a broadside of turbolasers.
One of the intangibles you didn't talk about is the Slip Space Jump (Halo Lightspeed). The Covenant has used Slip Space Jumps to gain tactical advantage. They can close in the distance on a Star Destroyer and get behind them. Also they could use slip space right next to them to create a huge explosion like in Halo Reach.
Rev BladeZ I do see your point about the shockwave from Slipspace not working in space. But stills think the precise nature of Covenant slip space can take advantage of the Star Destroyer’s blind Spot.
Rev BladeZ I see what you are talking about, but that is 2 dimensional thinking. They can get the projection at the belly of the ship or behind. The Star Destroyers are not very maneuverable. You also forget that closing the distance will allow for most of the weapons to shot and allowing the Seraph Fighters to run amok.
Rev BladeZ I think you forget that the wedge shape design of the ship to have all guns able to fire forward gives it a huge flaw which is why they work best as a fleet ship, but one on one the Covenant can exploit its design flaws.
Alright. Eck, I think you got this very wrong this time. And I do mean very.
First of all, we have enough canon material so using legends sources shouldn't be done. So the old thrawn novels and so on should be disregarded, since we already have enough material in canon to determine things. This means we should use our canon sources as a basis. And what do the canon sources tell us about the star destroyer? Range: As seen in the last jedi, star wars ships have a limited range that they're effective in, which is close visual range. And as seen in many sources, including rebels, we see how weak the firepower actually can get at close ranges. Bombardment of Athalon for instance, it gets to small grenade level firepower. Let's talk about armour. Durasteel is what the ISD is made of no? It's stated to be stronger than steel but weaker than titanium. Let's talk propulsion. The ISD basically is pushed forwards thanks to its thrust, and has to do a turn if it wants to change direction. Shield talk, it does seem that some of its weakness is kinetic objects. We've seen how it reacts when it crashes with other objects, ISD on ISD, light cruiser on ISD, fighters on ISD. Fighters seem to go through the shields if they get close enough too as seen during the x-wing engagement over the blockade of Lothal.
Now let's look at the CCS-Class battlecruiser. Yes, range IS important. Very much so. The CCS can fire its pulse laser turrets at ranges of at least 10,000km And the known distance an energy projector was fired is 100,000km. That is WAYYYY past the distance a ship such as the ISD can engage a target at. And the pulse laser turrets are point defense but can effectively melt 45cm of titanium-A armour in a single volley. And remember the thing about durasteel being weaker than titanium? Titanium-A being stronger than regular titanium and nanolaminate, what is used on the CCS, being stronger than Titanium-A. It is stated that with its shield reinforcements, it can withstand the fury of a nearby nuclear explosion. That's a lot of firepower. The plasma torpedoes actually can wreck energy shielding, such as when a frigate's plasma torpedo struck the destroyer during the Keyes's loop, it took down its shielding, then another struck and dealt a major blow to the hull, sending it plummeting down. Those are no joke. The energy projectors? They have such power, they'd probably be able to deal a major structural damage to the ISD while still taking down its shields, probably. But we've seen how a marathon was being completely annihilated by the energy projector in halo 2. The firepower on the CCS is orders of magnitude higher than the star destroyer. Yes, it does need to raise down a SECTION of the shields to fire, but its only for a moment, and a section. So good luck dealing any major damage to the nanolaminite hull. Movement wise, the CCS has repulsor engines which allow it to move in pretty much any direction, allowing it to glide, thus giving it more maneuverability, and ability to dodge fire too, because we've seen over and over again how innacurate turbolaser fire can be... So now imagine distance, and maneuverability to avoid it... And again on shields, remember that the firepower is much stronger and can produce EMP effects which is why their shields are more prone to plasma based damage.
With the canon we have, and especially upon seeing The Last Jedi and what kind of ranges weapons are effective at, CCS wins it very very big. It's just got the advantage in armour, shields, engines, firepower, range, fighters. It outclasses the ISD so much. Also wished you had used the artwork I produced with both ships facing each other.
Nice essay you wrote.
erickyboo Are you a long lost sibling of mine or something? You said literally everything I've been saying for the last year.
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I like to analyze things, I'm on the server.
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Well done spartan o7 that pretty much rounds up everythingh i wanted to say in a WAY better way. .....he needs to see that. ..but i feel he doesnt want to accept it thats why i dislike his vids :/
Any great job thx
I still think if the ccs got a their gassing beam off it would pretty much cripple if not out rght destroy the imperial 2 instantly
Since you brought up a boarding party at the end I think it would be cool if a second part video was added using what these ships could carry into ground combat and put them head to head.
High Templar(Starcraft) vs Jedi/Sith
Raynor's Raiders(Starcraft) vs Resistance
Terran Dominion(Starcraft) vs Galactic Republic/New Republic
Protoss(Starcraft) vs Covenant
Zerg (Starcraft) vs Empire
Protoss(Starcraft) vs CIS
United Koprulu Sector(Starcraft) vs United Star Wars Galaxy
71st try. I WILL NEVER GIVE UP!
My money is on the CCS Battlecruiser Covenant tech is reversed form forerunner tech.
Weapons range in space isn't affected by either air resistance or drop off due to gravity like weapons on Earth. A weapon fired in space will continue in a straight line forever untill it hits something or affected by a massive gravity source like a star. The problem is that even if you can see a target at 10 light minutes if you use a sensor system that is limited by lightspeed, such as radar or lidar, what you are seeing is where the target was 20 minutes ago and if you are using laser weaponry it would take a further 10 minutes for your shoots to impact. This would only work on targets that can't move or change course like space stations or planets.
The Mass Effect explanation on space combat was pretty good with the longest range engagements occurring between dreadnaughts as their massive cannons could fire the fastest and their bulk meant that they couldn't move very fast out of the way of enemy shoots.
You are mostly correct about range not being an issue, however energy weapons will still be affected by the square cube law, similar to how the farther you get from a light source the dimmer it gets.
Zablock Awesomeguy I read up on that law on Wikipedia so I may not fully understand what you mean but wouldn't that only affect a light source that radiates it energy in all directions like a star or lightbulb. A laser or plasma weapon would be designed to maintain a focus point or stream.
Even if you are correct it wouldn't affect accuracy but it would affect energy imparted to the target as thus make he weapons less deadly.
Star wars dont use actual lasers as their main weaponry. And in the last jedi we've seen that star wars ships do have a fairly limited close range effectiveness. So in star wars canon, yes range is important. It's the whole plot point too of TLJ.
erickyboo if it is not lasers then what is it? Also that plot point of range in the last Jedi is bullshit. They have missiles and torpedoes in Star Wars, they have faster starfighters and the only reason you need to continue to burn fuel for propulsion if is you are constantly accelerating.
It's not bullshit, it's canon. Face it. They aren't lasers, they are plasma. Faster? Debatable. Range is important in real combat as well
You're a brave man, doing these starship versus between franchises, in spite of all the fanboys (in both sides). Anyway, good video.
Favorite series on your channel
Yay old music, feel like Im back in the canary islands. I found you while I was there about 7 months ago and listened on tthe sunbeds.
I still want to see something involving the Punic class supercarrier
YES! Star ship verses is back! Also I have some good ideas.
*1.* T-70 X-Wing VS E-Wing
*2.* Aclemator Class Assult Ship VS Nebulon B Frigate
*3.* Tie Defender VS Tie Silencer
*4.* MC85 VS MC90
Could you include some terran vessels from star craft in your versus?? That would be a pretty cool addition to these vs videos :D
Also your videos are awesome!!
Eck I love your factions compared series but this is also a fantastic one too! Please do more of them!
Suggestion for galactic versus. Space pirates ( metroid series ) vs The Shadow collective ( star wars.)
The reason I chose the shadow collective to fight the space pirates is that though the metroid series especially the prime games cover the space pirate ground forces really well, they don't say much about the space ships. So I have the shadow collective as there opponent since they would have a navy of criminal ships which would give the Pirates a better chance.
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In my opinion the covenant would win about 5.5 times out of ten because of their excavation beams as you pointed out in a previous video that those beams were capable of punching through the unsc infinity's shields which would be more advanced in my opinion since they were based off of forerunner technology so I believe that the excavation beams would have no problem punching through an imperial 2's shields.
But what makes you think they would be able to destroy the isd before it destroys them? as pointed out it has loads of weapons (i mean cmon 100 turbolaser batteries? that's pretty powerful on its own not counting the ion cannons)?
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The ccs will just kite the isd and melt it with ease
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Covenant win no question, I like Star Wars, but their tech is just goofy and unrealistic, by comparison the halo universe has by FAR more grounded and realistic technology than Star Wars, in no way am I saying that they're 100% scientifically accurate, a physically accurate and actually working real life warship wouldn't for example keep its thrusters on when in motion, it wouldn't have an aerodynamic shape, wouldn't likely have windows at all, and would be overall far more comparable to a submarine than an actual warship, what I'm saying is that in a realistic environment a halo ship would work FAR better than a Star Wars one, within their own universes I still think the CCS wins.
Captain Comet So anything the forerunners made is realistic, that makes no sense to me.
luckysix not everything, but yes ringworlds are a thing that has been theorized, look up megastructures, scientists even think we may have found a Dyson sphere, I'm not saying it's 100% realistic I'm just saying it's far more realistic than anything Star Wars has.
From the ships, to the physics, to the weapons, to the aliens, pretty much every single thing you can think of
And yes the idea of firing a wave of radiation could indeed kill off the entire population of a galaxy if done well
Captain Comet But all of that falls apart because we know how old earth is, and I am pretty sure there isn't enough space to fit ancient humanity have it die off, wait for a long time then start repopulating it and create are current history.
Finally back to versus
Eckhart: covenant shields and durability would be at a disadvantage
Me: *laughs my head off*
A boarding party of less than a thousand elites would suffice. They have personal shields and powerful plasma weaponry. Not even mentioning their superior physiology and military discipline.
Hunters.
If you could create a (balanced) fleet using any ships from science fiction, what would you choose?
Frigging Fascist This could be a kinda fun challenge for everybody.
7 Halo Rings and a few Death Stars as Point Defense.
Internet Zen Master realistic. The best ships suited for things like point defence, ship-to-ship combat, EWAR/logistics, strike craft deployment, target saturation, hit and run, etc.
Internet Zen Master so not really a few dozen retribution class battleships screening for an executor class star destroyer supported by a fleet of forerunner war sphinxes
Imperial Immobilizer 418 cruiser vs. Sith Interdictor-class cruiser.
Not giving up!
Elites on board the star destroyer would be very bad for the stormtroopers. If the seraphs could get teams on board overwhelming force would be needed to stop them. On that note elites have specialized boarding teams that are better trained for ship combat, physically support, and better equiped.
anything on board will be a trouble for stormtroopers
awesome, been waiting for this one!
Your last comment about boarding parties got me thinking, which faction do you think has the best space-based infantry for the purposes of boarding actions? And which faction's primary ship would have the best chance of staving off a boarding party?
Thank God its back, Gravestone (swtor) vs Victory class
the CCS is faster, more maneuverable, has stronger armor, has a better structural design, carries a complement of elite soldiers that outclass anything onboard an ISD(and a fleet of boarding craft to carry them), has superior range, power and accuracy(when disregarding ridiculous legends numbers), has superior battle doctrine(and 9/10 times better crew and command), carries a fighter fleet that would significantly outnumber any TIE complement that could be carried by an ISD(the majority of which are Seraphs, a fighter craft that is significantly better than any common TIE variants), carries a slip space drive calibrated and run by advanced computer systems(thus allowing the CCS to use FTL travel as a tactical advantage), and covenant shielding is incredibly strong(as demonstrated by multiple covenant civil conflicts in which advanced plasma based weapons are largely incapable of piercing or significantly reducing the shields outfitted on most large covenant vessels).
Yung Savage This guy knows his shit
WHAT WHAT STARSHIP. S IS BACK TIME FOR ECKHARTS FIVE STAR CONTENT ONCE AGAIN!
You do need to specify whether or not you are using EU in the title. As the power level of the SD vastly changes between the two.
Raving Rando if you go straight movie canon, they're really weak.
not really the isd has 200 gigatons of firepower per turbolaser shot in legends and can hit a target at 11 light minutes away the canon ones lose without a doubt though they are significantly weaker in disney canon
Richard Mc Enteggart I know that we can disregard legends I was just stating that in no way can the ccs beat the legends isd as the best it could do is draw since the shields on the isd then need to be capable of taking barrages of 200 gigaton turbolasers which would mean that the isd would be nearly indestructible for the ccs and only its main weapon could hope of doing any sort of damage and then it would need to get into close quarters and the isd would shred it
So legends wins 9.95/10
While canon wins 0.5/10 I feel like is the more accurate representation since any battle that they are starting out more than 100 km from eachother the ccs would win
Okt
10 light minutes away? No way, not unless it was a complete surprise.
Lucrehulk class *droid control ship* vs N-1 star fighter without a good trick
50 Banshees and 32 Seraphs are what's quoted as the CCS fighter compliment on Halopedia. I think 32 is a major lowball.
Thunderbolt starfury from Babylon 5 vs the Sabre from Halo Reach.
VF-1S Valkyrie variable fighter from SDF Macross (not Robotech) vs the Union Overflag from Gundam 00.
Sinanju from Gundam Unicorn vs the Gaia Gear Alpha from Gundam Gaia Gear.(battle of the literal Char clones).
I honestly thought this series was dead. It’s nice to see it again!
It depends on which ship has the thicker plot armour!
Another great video!👏👏
Thank you for making these kinds of videos
Lol you have so many subs .. i still remember when you had 5k gj man.
Aaand Ecks is using noncanon material again for Star Wars.
And the battles seen in the books for Halo are usually thousands of kilometers apart. SW is usually in the same range as the Battle of Trafalgar. No seriously, the Resistance survived for as long as they did in TLJ because the range of the FO ships was so fucking bad. That is the canon range for SW ships. We see it in Clone Wars, Rebels, all the movies.
Talks about about defense in terms of shields only. Discounts armor ENTIRELY. What the hell. Also when it comes to shielding, the only time energy weapons made it through Covenant shields reliably was when Cortana MODIFIED the Weapons on the Ascendant Justice to an optimal set up that basically turned regular plasma turrets into mini energy projectors. Outside of that,, there was one battle where Covenant ships fought each other where we had enough depth to see how things went and and the only time we see an energy weapon drop an enemy's shields in one shot was when an ORS heavy cruiser overcharged it's main weapon (which has a Forerunner core) and used that to obliterate an enemy FRIGATE's shields.
Also even when the shields are down, the nanolaminate armor of covenant ships (which is meters thick) is extremely heat resistant and very effective at dispersing it.
And the shields of the SW universe are only effective against projectiles OR energy weapons with particle and ray shielding.
*"I have no bias against either."*
*"I do believe SW is on a higher energy level than Halo."*
Do you ever listen to these before putting them up?
As it is, you mentioned all the weapons on the CCS and ISD and utterly failed to take into account if the effectiveness of the energy projectors. If those penetrate the ISD's shields, the beam would wreck havoc on the ISD.
You disregarded armor, never mentioned the pulse lasers can be used offensively not just in a PD role.
Also you forgot one key thing. A couple of ion torpedoes completely wrecked an ISD's shit. What would a salvo of plasma torpedoes do to the ISD?
Master Asia Let's all accept that Disney cannon is not helping the ISD.
Master Asia thanks man I was thinking the same thing. "I think star wars is on a higher level than Halo" (not with Disney it isn't) even if you use ICS you can still get higher yields for halo. And he also ignored covenants nanolaminated armours resistance to energy weapons. Also left RANGE AS A TIE it's not even close the whole point of tlj was that turbolazers lost power after 100 km wear as we have covenant energy projectors with a range of 100,000km . 10/10 the ISD gets sniped from 100000km away or boarded and turned into a charnel house.
Edit: or they get their exposed bridge shot off .
He also disregarded the Covenant’s habit of boarding enemy ships and sabotaging them from within
A Baby Ate My Dingo yep all and all a biased cherry pick for the isd
Master Asia
He is just to ignorant to the truth >_>
When we joined the covenant, we took an oath
*according to our station all without exception*
On the blood of our fathers, on the blood of our sons, we swore to uphold the covenant
*even to our dying breath*
Are particle shields still part of Disney canon? I ask because if you look at Rogue One and The Last Jedi there's a lot of things that it looks like should be stopped by particle shields that go straight through (the TIE attack on the Raddus's bridge for example: either the TIEs or their projectiles should smack into the shield that is still up).
Huh? Particle don’t deflect lasers, they deflect solid objects. Deflector shields deflect lasers. In rogue one, the ties that shoot the profundity are hitting the deflector shields, and the shields hold. Whereas in the last Jedi, the Raddus class emitted a bubble shield instead of a hull hugging shield. Idk wtf the director was thinking, if you have a bubble shields small fighters can just get under the shield and do hull damage. So to answer your question, rogue one had both particle shields and deflector shields, whereas the last Jedi had stupid ass bubble shield.
Which makes TLJ even worse since all the FO had to do to win was have Kylo jump back in his fighter and fly back to the Raddus, get beneath their shields and shred the engines.
Nicholas Wong Wrong, deflector shields are a combination of shield types that deflect both particle/solid objects and energy. Particle shields only stop solid objects and ray/energy shields stop energy.
+Nicholas Wong,
1. Lasers are not used in star wars.
2. Plasma is.
3. Plasma has mass and therefore would be stopped by particle shields.
Particle shields stop SOLID objects, not gas. Plasma is superheated and ionized gas, so it is allowed through particle shields.
Thanks Eck for finally choosing my comment😂
I'd like to add that seraphs are not the only craft the covenant have that they use in space combat.
Hey hey. it's a return to the ship vs ship series! Any possibility of other sci-fi factions making an appearance like Tyranids from 40k or Robert Heinlein's Earth Federation Starship Troopers? Can't wait to see what's coming next :)
Covenant torpedoes are vastly superior to any firepower the Empire has on their Battlecruisers. They are fire and forget weapons that will track their target no matter where the target moves to. A couple hits would most likely take out the shields of the Battlecruiser and a 3rd would gut the ship bow to stern.
Idk. The canon book Tarkin mentions that turbolasers are nuclear in nature. Star Destroyers are able to tank shots from rebel cruisers for a long time before being breached, but their durability is limited once their shields fail. The Battle of Endor went on for several hours. The Covenant definitely has a fighter quality edge and more accurate guns. Star Destroyers have more fighters and more guns.
Best transports. CIS can have C-9979 landing craft, The empire can have the Gozonti, The Republic can have the Pelta-class frigates, and last but not least the GR-75. I know that some aren't technically transports, but they've all been shown in some medium to transport goods.
This is a very close battle between the Star Destroyer and the Ccs, While the Star Destroyer has much more powerful weapons and it's a lot more durable, the Ccs on the other hand is much more versatility, it's slightly faster, and has better Fighters then the imperials, (Seraphs>Tie fighters) though i got to go with the Star Destroyer it's much more powerful and the Shielding are much better then the Ccs shielding, the only thing i could see the Ccs winning this battle if it can keep it's distance away from the Star Destroyer.
True though then again we don't know if it carries Seraphs or Space Banshees even Warfleet did not say which one.
Mandator 2 dreadnaught, pride of the core, vs 5 recusant class destroyers
ISD 6/10 is pretty close to what I would say. Star Wars seems to be up and over the Covenant in power level but not that much. The flexibility and maneuverability of the CCS levels the playing field quite a bit. I'd give it to the ship that got the first good hit in, whether that's a turbolaser barrage or a solid hit with the plasma lance.
Super carrier all day. Longer pulses from the plasma weapons, followed by guided plasma torpedos, boarding parties of cloaked elites *and* the *shielded* fighters it has on board.
MC85 Star Cruiser vs Resurgent class Star Destroyer
Two words: Excavation beam aka Glassing Beam... sorry Empire, your dead
Scarab Vs. Mammoth (Halo)
Mammoth vs AT-AT?
Elite Ultra it would be a win for the UNSC do to the MAC cannon on top of the mammoth
Keep up with the good work man. Love your videos