High Charity Escort Fleet vs Coruscant Defense Fleet | The Covenant vs The Republic (Star Wars)

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  • Two of the largest fleets imaginable go head-to-head, as the Covenant from Halo take on the Galactic Republic from Star Wars.
    The fleet that protected High Charity was, according to Cortana at least, the largest anyone has ever seen. Today, that fleet is going against the fleet fielded by the Republic during the Space Battle of Coruscant. Covenant vs Republic. Coruscant vs High Charity. Star Wars vs Halo. Who Will Win? Watch today's episode of Star Wars: Galactic Versus to find out!
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    High Charity was the Holy City of the Covenant, and was protected by the largest covenant fleet in history. This fleet, and High Charity itself, first appeared in Halo 2. The fleet is greatly dwindled after the Covenant Schism, and High Charity itself is destroyed in Halo 3 after a flood infection. It was actually many fleets which protected the city, together they may also be known as the Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity.
    The Coruscant Defense Fleet was one of the largest massed forces during the Clone Wars. The Fleet was made up of smaller battleclusters, including the Open Circle Fleet.
    I did grapple with both Covenant and Republic Fleet Size issues here, let me know what you thought!
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  • @EckhartsLadder
    @EckhartsLadder  6 років тому +320

    One of our biggest match-ups yet, hope you guys enjoy! If you want to support the channel, you can tip me for free at www.gawkbox.com/eckhartsladder
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    • @jadenmonson8397
      @jadenmonson8397 6 років тому +3

      EckhartsLadder at-rt vs halo warthog please

    • @thorshammer7883
      @thorshammer7883 6 років тому +6

      EckhartsLadder
      The Unbidden and the other dimension Empires (Stellaris) invade the Forerunners and Ancient Humanity

    • @johnsmith-sq6nu
      @johnsmith-sq6nu 6 років тому +1

      Thor's Hammer we've been over this it is no a fair matchup

    • @thorshammer7883
      @thorshammer7883 6 років тому +1

      EckhartsLadder
      The Reapers invade The Galaxy during the EP 3 in the middle of the battle of Coruscant.
      (Coruscant is the first target of the Reapers)

    • @thorshammer7883
      @thorshammer7883 6 років тому

      john smith
      How though?
      The Unbidden and the others are Extremely advance Empires that defeated other Galaxies before.

  • @damankymuse650
    @damankymuse650 3 роки тому +738

    Stormtroopers: “WE HAVE YOU SURROUNDED”
    Spec-ops Elite: All I’m surrounded by is fear and dead men **Activates active camo**

    • @1tsKilla
      @1tsKilla 3 роки тому +38

      (Doom Slayer sounds)

    • @casematecardinal
      @casematecardinal 2 роки тому +14

      @DeadNinjutsu the storm slayer

    • @arx3516
      @arx3516 2 роки тому +15

      And then Anakin shows up...

    • @oryxthechadking555
      @oryxthechadking555 2 роки тому +23

      @@arx3516 And then Arbiter shows up.

    • @anidiot2284
      @anidiot2284 2 роки тому +38

      @@oryxthechadking555 and then a janitor walk into an epic fight between them all as he starts scrubbing the walls

  • @sambeelman4191
    @sambeelman4191 6 років тому +1224

    “Ship master. They outnumber us 3 to 1”
    “Then it is an even fight”

    • @thefallenshallrise3233
      @thefallenshallrise3233 4 роки тому +4

      Unveiling yeti you messed up bro

    • @joelx8499
      @joelx8499 4 роки тому +5

      Fair*

    • @clayyoung6369
      @clayyoung6369 4 роки тому +39

      @@joelx8499 no it's "then it is an even fight"

    • @charlottewalnut3118
      @charlottewalnut3118 4 роки тому +5

      UnveilingYeti 27 Not even close Star Wars ships are actually pretty on par with halo ships

    • @vithederg
      @vithederg 4 роки тому +11

      @@charlottewalnut3118 ... It's a joke

  • @AhegaoComics
    @AhegaoComics 6 років тому +869

    One thing that was failed to be mentioned with the Second Fleet of Homogeneous Clarity was that it had two CSO-class Supercarriers.

    • @coletrain8494
      @coletrain8494 6 років тому +124

      Thank you! Everyone completely forgot about CSO class carriers.

    • @adamerickson7605
      @adamerickson7605 6 років тому +18

      YES

    • @adamerickson7605
      @adamerickson7605 6 років тому +23

      DEATH TO THE FUCKING RECLAIMARS

    • @adamerickson7605
      @adamerickson7605 6 років тому +56

      TO THE GREAT FUCKING JOURNEY! WE WILL BECOME GODS, AND GODS MUST BE STRONG, AND WITH CARRIERS

    • @reffzorakee694
      @reffzorakee694 5 років тому +25

      i was pretty sure in the lore the fleets that protected high charity had atleast a dozen or so cso class and dozens more cas class

  • @guytonchristo8171
    @guytonchristo8171 3 роки тому +422

    Imagine the covenant just laughing at the fact that the command decks are sticking out at the top like that-

    • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
      @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 11 місяців тому +41

      Galactic Republic laughing at how plasma weapons make covenant shields overheat faster

    • @wildbeast3106
      @wildbeast3106 8 місяців тому +7

      @@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 don’t Covenant also have plasma weapons too?

    • @AliasA1
      @AliasA1 8 місяців тому +33

      ⁠​⁠​⁠@@panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976Galactic Republic laughing at how **signature weapon type of the Covenant** makes **shields designed to defend against said weapon type** overhead faster?

    • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
      @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 8 місяців тому +1

      @@AliasA1 it says in the halo Encyclopedia somewhere I’d have to ask my friend who’s the biggest halo nerd there is what page

    • @PuntStunkman
      @PuntStunkman 7 місяців тому +19

      They'd actually commend the design I think. I believe in one of the books they mention the human ships having bridges in the front and noting how brave it was.

  • @lelouche25
    @lelouche25 6 років тому +1218

    Always loved the scene where the Elites and the marines are starting ding around trading weaponry lol.

    • @comradecrawford3318
      @comradecrawford3318 6 років тому +32

      Yuki Terumi I thought they did it so they wouldn't kill each other lol

    • @tankbuster101
      @tankbuster101 6 років тому +86

      Oh that is why. It's always an aspect that the fighters respect each others weapons after seeing it wiz past their head. lol

    • @sharpetutor227
      @sharpetutor227 6 років тому +97

      Shadow Of Intent
      So they don't kill each other? LoL
      Elites and marines stand "you guys want to go!?"
      Sargent and Arbiter "Hay no violence! Calm down or your not going to get an alien gun."
      Elites "they started it..."

    • @Devil_of_Wrath
      @Devil_of_Wrath 6 років тому

      Daniel Tutor Rvb?

    • @sharpetutor227
      @sharpetutor227 6 років тому

      yep

  • @hanlee6147
    @hanlee6147 6 років тому +629

    Honestly down here it’s just fans vs fans

    • @coletrain8494
      @coletrain8494 6 років тому +56

      Yes, and I'm a fan of both, but halo will always win the day for me

    • @jacobkeys9429
      @jacobkeys9429 5 років тому +23

      I think the only way Star Wars could win is if it was like the entire Imperial Navy against like half of High Charity’s defense force. The weaponry just heavily outguns the Star Wars Universe.

    • @Raving_Rando
      @Raving_Rando 5 років тому +14

      Jacob Keyes "the entire Imperial Navy against like half of High Charity’s defense force."
      That is taking it a little too far, but nevertheless Covie weapons ARE stronger then the weapons of the Star Wars factions.

    • @kylemorin3945
      @kylemorin3945 5 років тому +2

      Raving Rando But why? I admit that I am not a super-fan of Halo, but it has always been my impression that the power levels of individual ships and such are roughly equivalent. Why is it that so many think that Halo is somehow infinitely stronger?

    • @Raving_Rando
      @Raving_Rando 5 років тому +21

      t-minus tyson
      This is long... Sorry. But if you're interested, have fun.
      Personally this has been a pet peeve of mine for a while, so I sadly ended up wasting too much of my life studying the two factions. Staring at pictures, reading moments, watching scenes over and over and debating with hardcore fans, I've come to this conclusion.
      Canon Turbolasers are about on par in power to Covenant Pulse Lasers, not as strong as Plasma Torpedoes which continually eat away at their target even after initial impact and also can cause explosions rivaling nukes when used for orbital glassing. Nowhere close to the ever mentioned Energy Projector, which has been known to cause an EMP effect to any electronics, knocking out shielding almost instantly even when the lance shot is a few miles away and boiling away all known metals instantly.
      Scenes in Star Wars that back my claim are:
      1. Rebels with the bombardments resulting in tiny blasts and little damage.
      2. TLJ with the Dreadnought firing at a planet with super cannons resulting in a blast about on par with Covenant orbital bombardment, meaning that those special guns are what it takes to be on par with standard Covenant orbital glassing.
      3. TCWs with the assault on the Malevolence, hours to maybe even days of hitting a larger shield-less ship to no avail.
      Star Wars fans will constantly claim that Covenant shielding is weak to energy based weapons to help their argument, to which they're half right. Covenant ship shielding is weak to higher end Covenant grade energy weapons (Plasma Torpedoes and Energy Projectors), not all energy based weapons. Meaning if I and those that think alike to me are in fact correct, then the Empire would have a hard time knocking out Covenant ships when Imperial weapons are only on par with Pulse Lasers. Even after the shield is down, the Empire would then have anywhere to over 100 feet of Nanolaminate armor to have to punch through before the shielding reboots and goes back up in a few minutes. And Nanolaminate is harder and more heat resistant then Titanium, meaning it'll be an absolute turd for the Empire to have to deal with.
      Now if this were the Legends Star Was factions, then the Covenant wouldn't stand a chance. The writers of the Star Wars EU kept upping the ante in an attempt to out do one another, you have fools that honestly think Palpatine can beat Majin Buu when they use Legends material. Palpatine, the same guy that was easily picked up by Vader and thrown down a shaft to his death. They think he can beat a planet breaker that can't be destroyed unless by a special DB style attack
      So to put it simply, the way I see it is this.
      Legends SW > HALO
      Canon SW < HALO
      Feel free to disagree with me. I really don't care anymore.

  • @emperoroftheuniverse5950
    @emperoroftheuniverse5950 6 років тому +474

    Apparently, in Halo canon, from a book called Halo Warfleet, which I found in a scholastic fair, for the the number of ships in the 'complement' section on the page for High Charity, it simply had, "Numbers beyond counting".
    this would mean at least several thousand ships were stationed around High Charity.

    • @ZC.Andrew
      @ZC.Andrew 5 років тому +108

      What if the the guy who contributed to that just can't count very high?

    • @blimpgaming8534
      @blimpgaming8534 5 років тому +19

      @@ZC.Andrew lol

    • @blimpgaming8534
      @blimpgaming8534 5 років тому +62

      @@ZC.Andrew it was a grunt who didnt speak english

    • @badgerbro1172
      @badgerbro1172 5 років тому +8

      This may have been talking about fighters and support craft, as that's what other ships refer to with compliment. The compliment for the infinity does not include the full escort fleet, so the compliment for high charity was probably not talking about its escort fleet

    • @davidsmperio7344
      @davidsmperio7344 4 роки тому +4

      Badgerbro 117 Not at all, The parte refers that there were more battle crusiers and carriers

  • @somerton4383
    @somerton4383 6 років тому +255

    Covenant side also had space banshees, phantoms, spirits, perhaps even liches and vampires for fighter to fighter combat too. Just sayin'.

    • @joshuapurdy7065
      @joshuapurdy7065 6 років тому +4

      Somerton liches were not a thing at the time and I guess you could count vampires... kindov

    • @thegamingsnake7198
      @thegamingsnake7198 6 років тому +4

      It depends on time and such but at the time of being liches we're not a thing and phantoms we're not armed for space engagement like they are in halo 4 and so on

    • @g0ldng0nads7
      @g0ldng0nads7 6 років тому +20

      There was Phantom Gunboats at the time.

    • @Omni601
      @Omni601 5 років тому +3

      The Gaming Snake Gunboat Phantoms with frontal shielding against fighters. Vampires? Maybe not suited for space dogfighting but if it were, maybe?

    • @jcp-5695
      @jcp-5695 4 роки тому +2

      If escorts stayed close then elite rangers would just start boarding

  • @dynestis2875
    @dynestis2875 6 років тому +980

    You did add in several types of fighter craft for the Republic, but decided to give the covenant only seraphs while they would also field Banshees and Phantom gunboats. You also left out the CSO supercarrier for the Covenant, which would quite dominantly be present in the defence force of High charity.

    • @shadowranger937
      @shadowranger937 6 років тому +132

      5mil banshees isnt a bad estimate

    • @one5e
      @one5e 6 років тому +95

      Yeah, and the carriers would each have closer to about 1000 seraphs
      (Edit:CSO Carrier is obviously much larger and easily carries more, just in case that wasn’t clear)

    • @DIEGhostfish
      @DIEGhostfish 6 років тому +106

      Spacebanshees are kinda pathetic though.

    • @one5e
      @one5e 6 років тому +12

      DIEGhostfish true

    • @shadowranger937
      @shadowranger937 6 років тому +112

      so are tie fighters.

  • @JArbiter3784
    @JArbiter3784 6 років тому +355

    covenant ships have HELLA shileds. those starfighters would be utterly useless.

    • @kyle17252
      @kyle17252 5 років тому +17

      That's a good point, unless they tie their attacks with the shield drops when the covies fire their weapons.

    • @ambush_akula5261
      @ambush_akula5261 5 років тому +13

      JustAnotherArbiter Duckman against proton and ion torpedoes? Good luck!!

    • @sadistictm_1559
      @sadistictm_1559 5 років тому +15

      But the republic ships have shields too. And if you add in the actual scale of how big the republic is compared to the covenant they wouldn't even stand a chance. Also if a fight like this battle did happen I'm 99.9% sure all the Jedi would be involved and we all know the jedi are super talented at like... Borderline everything😂and would probably tip the scale in their favor when its all said and done.

    • @ultra-nationalistodst8085
      @ultra-nationalistodst8085 5 років тому +45

      Covenant shields are much stronger than republic shields they also have superior point defense weapons the only time they would be vulnerable would be when firing their energy projectors because they have to lower parts of their shields to do that but since energy projectors have ridiculous range I doubt that a significant amount of the venators would have survived for long enough to close the gap, also seraphs are superior to the republic’s fighters the covenant had quality over quantity approach to those. They were quite superior to sabres and longswords which I would also say were superior to the republic’s fighters

    • @WadcaWymiaru
      @WadcaWymiaru 5 років тому +5

      Few shots from KILOTONS MACs were able to put the Covie shield sleep. Star Wars turbolasers do that same after first vollei!
      (Falcon turbolaser direct hit was calculated to be ~52 MT)
      Battle of Curuscand was around 8 hours before Anakin&Kenobi dared to assault Invicible hand.
      Turbolasers fire 2-3 times PER SECOND...faster than HALO, ME or Warhamme40k combined!

  • @quazardragon7383
    @quazardragon7383 6 років тому +25

    In halo reach, you see that banshees and phantoms can go into space, so i think that a cruiser or someother ship has ships other than seriphs.

  • @rodneywhitrock8991
    @rodneywhitrock8991 6 років тому +61

    Halo 3 reference.
    Elite: Republic ships, staggered line. Shipmaster! their fighters outnumber us 4 to 1!
    Shipmaster: Then it is an even fight.

    • @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
      @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy 2 роки тому +2

      😂😂😂😂 far from it. Power scale it too high in Star Wars. Unless you bring in forerunners.

    • @lucaswinsor4469
      @lucaswinsor4469 2 роки тому +3

      @@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy the power scale in Star-Wars doesn't get any higher than Halo until you get to Jedi/force-sensitives and the Death Star.

    • @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
      @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy 2 роки тому +2

      @@lucaswinsor4469 I'm talking about ships. Those numbers in cannon are still a little high even tho they've been nerfed from legends.

  • @kingxkai1179
    @kingxkai1179 6 років тому +356

    Clones vs elites
    Elite honor guard vs Jedi
    Promethians vs droids
    Brutes vs Wookiees

    • @xyro3633
      @xyro3633 6 років тому +157

      Elites are a challenge even for Spartans, Clones are cooked.
      This is a toughy, but the Jedi would probably win.
      Promethians would completely obliterate any Droid army.
      Brutes are a lot bigger and heavier than wookies.

    • @kingxkai1179
      @kingxkai1179 6 років тому +6

      Xyro I couldn't come up with a faction from Star Wars that more resembled the promethians but also capable warriors the CIS battle droids were the only thing that sprung to mind

    • @theimmortalsuperbeing549
      @theimmortalsuperbeing549 6 років тому +11

      +Kingx Kai117 The Mandalorines ?

    • @drearyplane8259
      @drearyplane8259 6 років тому +37

      Xyro Wookies are smarter than Brutes, and so I think coordinated Wookie fire (those bowcasters are probably comparable to a Bruteshot) could take down a Brute force.

    • @Hammer_Of_Olympia
      @Hammer_Of_Olympia 6 років тому +29

      DrearyPlane8 that might be true however it depends what era of brutes were on about, if the brutes under Atriox's control were to fight the wookeis they'd more likely win.

  • @seen203
    @seen203 6 років тому +21

    We have a rough idea of how big the fleet was. The fleet that glassed Reach was 750 ships. This one was larger than that. The fleet at Unyielding Hierophant was 700 as well, mostly lost and that was considered a minor set-back.. I estimate that it is probably about 1,500 ships guarding HC. I would put in a few Super Carriers, since that is a HUGE difference from assault carriers. Maybe 7 SC; 100 AC; 900 Cruisers and Corvettes making up the rest

  • @theemperoranimations3797
    @theemperoranimations3797 3 роки тому +16

    George lucus: “THIS IS OUTRAGEOUS, ITS UNFAIR!”

  • @Cinnamontoastgaming
    @Cinnamontoastgaming 6 років тому +433

    The Forerunners (Halo) vs the star wars galaxy (at the height of imperial control). Could the forerunners invade the star wars galaxy

    • @arstotzkanatthedmz4486
      @arstotzkanatthedmz4486 6 років тому +64

      Cinnamon toast gaming I think a sith empire at its peak would have more realistic tech to fight the forerunners, the forerunners are kinda mythical in technology.

    • @paydenjackson7156
      @paydenjackson7156 6 років тому +123

      Forruners all the way since they had ships as bigger than anything they have

    • @akush42069
      @akush42069 6 років тому +96

      The forerunners would obliterate just slipspace in halo rings and it's over

    • @serosona2322
      @serosona2322 6 років тому +55

      Cinnamon toast gaming forerunners would beat the imperials, they have slipspace, hard light, and ships that can incinerate anything that comes near it.

    • @thedivide9559
      @thedivide9559 6 років тому +85

      Forerunners win no debate

  • @baconking6526
    @baconking6526 6 років тому +210

    Do all of the UNSC and Covenant vs all of the Rebel Alliance and the Empire, please. The Empire gets the Death Star. If you can't find how many ships are on each side then just use their biggest fleets. Thanks if you do this.
    Edit: The UNSC and the Covenant do not get the rings. The reason for that is I want to see him do a UNSC and the Covenant fleet vs Empire and Rebel fleet battle, not the whole Halo universe vs Star Wars universe.

    • @-xYSLx-
      @-xYSLx- 6 років тому +14

      Bacon King then halo gets the halo ring and BTW halo will automatically win

    • @tindeuchenxiii62
      @tindeuchenxiii62 6 років тому +35

      Bacon King as long as the UNSC gets to bring along some NOVA bombs with them :)

    • @datboiyouhate6295
      @datboiyouhate6295 6 років тому +10

      Bacon King if they get the Death Star then the Covenant and UNSC should get the halo rings and/or the ark.

    • @war120496
      @war120496 6 років тому +4

      +Mark Northam nova bomb and a halo ring

    • @kappsa5365
      @kappsa5365 6 років тому

      Dat Boi you hate no just nova bombs

  • @flyballoon-
    @flyballoon- 6 років тому +49

    "Brute ships staggerd line, ship master they out number us 3 to 1" "then it is an even fight" "all ships fire at will" burn their mongrel hides"

  • @nicom.114
    @nicom.114 6 років тому +64

    Covenant tech is extremely powerful. Although it was just a cinematic trailer, the shields of a super carrier withstood a nuclear blast from the inside (before finally failing due to the ship itself being destroyed). I don't think the Republic would stand a chance in a Ship to ship fight either. Troop battles would be a different story.

    • @brucejedilee5290
      @brucejedilee5290 6 років тому +3

      The Empire would do a lot better

    • @WishDougMuro
      @WishDougMuro Рік тому +2

      Would it though. I mean the covenant has lots of artillery and soldiers of several species in their ranks. I think they still might beat the republic, but it would be close.

    • @luigimrlgaming9484
      @luigimrlgaming9484 Рік тому +1

      I think it’s because of how fucking big the super carrier is and the redundancy it probably had as although that doesn’t mean its invincible

    • @veonosizzz_yt87
      @veonosizzz_yt87 Рік тому +1

      @@brucejedilee5290 No, the Empire would not do much better to the point where it would matter. The Covenant has twice the amount of Ket-Battlecruisers than the Empire has Star Destroyers. The Battlecruisers are also superior in almost every way to a Star Destroyer. The only thing that the Empire has that would give them a chance is the Death Star.

    • @veonosizzz_yt87
      @veonosizzz_yt87 Рік тому +4

      Troop Battles wouldn't be that much of a different story. If you're including Jedi and Sith, then the battle is probably even. If you're not, which is most of the time the case, then Star Wars is gonna get steamrolled. Also, I just want to say that Jedi and Sith wouldn't be very powerful against Halo, specifically the UNSC, because their lightsabers won't be very effective in blocking projectiles. Lightsabers would be able to absorb or reflect Covenant plasma fire, but bullets from the UNSC would go straight through. The bullets aren't inside of the lightsaber for nearly as long as required for them to start melting. The bullet's temperature would just go up ten degrees at most, and continue on to strike a hole straight through the force user. I also can't see any sith or jedi other than Sidious and Dooku (because of force lightning) not be easily defeated by a spartan fire team. The only real thing the jedi or sith could do would be to dodge bullets and force choke. Neither of those would work though, because the average jedi/sith can only force choke one at a time, and dodging would be completely ineffective due to Spartan's near instant reaction speed. I would think that even a Spartan IV fireteam is enough to kill almost every sith and jedi.

  • @slate8409
    @slate8409 3 роки тому +33

    Missed the two CSO supercarriers known to be in the Second Fleet. Also, there was good reason why fighters weren't as heavily used in Halo as opposed to Star Wars, it wasn't just a stylistic choice. Covenant point defense was incredibly accurate, able to pick off missiles only a few meters in length and moving at sublight speeds with a horrifying degree of accuracy - UNSC Archer missiles usually lost about half to three quarters of their number in transit unless launched in overwhelming numbers. V-Wings and other unshielded fighters would be getting picked off with single shots from Covenant pulse lasers in the same way that Rebellion era fighters got chewed up by Lancer class frigates - just at distances of kilometers out rather than typical Star Wars knife fighting ranges.
    Beyond that we actually do have numbers for a lot of the Seraph statistics and the thing are insanely fast and maneuverable, not to mention capable of independent slipspace transit. As stated in the video it would've been a far closer fight if we were looking at latter generation Star Destroyers but I can't see any situation in which either the Republic or Empire has a fighter advantage.

    • @luigimrlgaming9484
      @luigimrlgaming9484 Рік тому

      Then you just don’t use V-wings
      Stick to the 170s and Y-wings

    • @slate8409
      @slate8409 Рік тому +4

      @@luigimrlgaming9484 Unfortunately that leaves them easy pickings for Seraph fighters. The things were heavy multipurpose craft like the ARC-170 was but with considerably more firepower and shielding - but able to maneuver like Vulture droids. They'd butcher something as heavy as the ARC-170 which struggled with droid fighters in dogfights, and the Y-Wing suffered from similar problems which was why they were getting phased out for the clone variant of the Z-95 Headhunter and later the V-Wing.
      ARC-170s were not built for dogfighting. They were long distance recon craft that were able to defend themselves if needed but primarily intended to scout and report back to their carriers.

    • @luigimrlgaming9484
      @luigimrlgaming9484 Рік тому +2

      @@slate8409 the arc-170 never struggled with droid fighters
      It was just ridiculously expensive for its job
      I don’t know where the hell you got that info

    • @slate8409
      @slate8409 Рік тому +4

      @@luigimrlgaming9484 It was big. Droid tri-fighters already danced circles around the Republic fighters like the V-19 Torrent and Y-Wing (both significantly smaller and more agile than the 170), and it was that specific weakness/flaw in Republic fighter doctrine that led to the creation of the V-Wing. Revenge of the Sith's opening illustrated this pretty well - ARC-170s had a lot of firepower for ships their size and were a threat to anything they managed to place in their crosshairs, but they lacked the maneuverability to deal with anything that managed to slip in behind them. That tail gunner simply isn't enough to deal with dedicated fightercraft, especially when the 170's pilot is juking to try and avoid being shot.
      That was one of the things that the X-Wing project Incom followed up with also sought to correct by making the X-Wing a much smaller craft with twice the engine power and double the heat dissipation/cooling systems.
      The 170 was primarily a reconnaissance craft, not a dogfighter - whatever games like Battlefront II may try to tell you. Go looking around any other lore channels like Generation Tech or Geetsly's and they'll all say the same thing. The 170 was a phenomenal strategic craft and it could work well as a strike bomber in a pinch since it had torpedoes but it wasn't competing with dedicated interceptors or more agile fightercraft.

    • @luigimrlgaming9484
      @luigimrlgaming9484 Рік тому +3

      @@slate8409 well not every covenant pilot is gonna be pulling cobra maneuvers
      So I would say kill ratio…
      Honestly I can’t estimate what the kill ratio would be
      I would guess maybe 2 170s for 1 Seraph
      Or 1 170 for 2 seraphs
      What I do know is that once the 170 gets lock the seraph would be dead within 2 seconds
      If the seraph got lock It would probably take slightly longer like 3 seconds with guns
      Although they do have fuel rod cannons which would gut 170s
      I’d say they’re pretty even

  • @NickMemphis136
    @NickMemphis136 6 років тому +57

    Imagine the fleet the destroyed Reach Vs the Imperial fleet of Endor.

    • @valkaerie8715
      @valkaerie8715 6 років тому +59

      One stood up to humanity's best, And another lost to ravenous teddy bears.

    • @samphan7451
      @samphan7451 6 років тому

      Valkarie Stoze 😂

    • @Caboose_1337
      @Caboose_1337 6 років тому

      Thel' Vadame's Fleet vs. The Death Star's Escort Fleet basically.

    • @lefthook4878
      @lefthook4878 6 років тому +7

      The cloaked CSO at Reach would be enough to make a mess of the fleet at Endor

    • @AuriofTheHooligans
      @AuriofTheHooligans 4 роки тому +2

      FYI, Thel, with his use of that fleet, set the chance of the UNSC winning the war to 0 PERCENT BEFORE HE TURNED TO HUMANITY

  • @distelmarc
    @distelmarc 6 років тому +8

    The Covenant also launch huge waves of boarding parties as well. Also factor in that the Covenant are extremely tenacious, and retreat is heavily frowned upon.

  • @spartans-4196
    @spartans-4196 6 років тому +174

    It said it has at least 100 Supercarriers. which means CSO Class. Each Supercarrier is 29 km long and has over 20 corvette grade vessels. that's minimum. also fighters and CCS CLASS cruisers and CAS Class Assault cruiser.

    • @spartans-4196
      @spartans-4196 6 років тому +17

      And fighters are heavily used by the Covenant. Both Banshee and Seraph class.

    • @spartans-4196
      @spartans-4196 6 років тому +18

      Also, the energy projector has a huge range, much outweighing the fighter ranges. Another thing, the Covenant High Charity Defense Fleet consist of thousands of capital ships, and hundreds of thousands of fighters.

    • @18Krieger
      @18Krieger 6 років тому +11

      That part of the Haloverse I dislike (beside the 343 Industrie bullcrap). They went full Star Wars Legends there. If you take this into account than you have to give the Republic Fleet the Legends numbers. In fleet size and weapon power. So around 10000 Venator Destroyer, hundreds of Victory I Destroyer and even more ships. Even some sort of Super Dreadnought. The weapons are so powerful that it is not even funny. Any small canon more powerful than the strongest nulear weapon on earth.

    • @EckhartsLadder
      @EckhartsLadder  6 років тому +46

      +Spartan S-419 that book came out long before the super carrier was even imagined. It clearly means a CAS

    • @spartans-4196
      @spartans-4196 6 років тому +15

      Even if that were true, the Covenant has numerous other classes of carriers, as well as Supercruisers, which were around at that time. And the actual design for the CSO was around long before Reach was released.

  • @HrothgarHeavenlight
    @HrothgarHeavenlight 6 років тому +58

    More not so well known ships:
    Kaloth class Armored cruiser vs Kyramud Mandalorian battleship. Very intresting match.

  • @Mx12b
    @Mx12b 6 років тому +254

    Wait, are you Canadian?

    • @EckhartsLadder
      @EckhartsLadder  6 років тому +115

      +Mx12b sure am

    • @Mx12b
      @Mx12b 6 років тому +52

      EckhartsLadder figured you where either from Michigan or Minnesota or Canada based on how you said sorry

    • @adamdownes4725
      @adamdownes4725 6 років тому +8

      Well then, UNSUBSCRIBED! Lol

    • @captainjackpugh6050
      @captainjackpugh6050 6 років тому +7

      Adam Downes Was that a joke? I won't assume anything

    • @Mx12b
      @Mx12b 6 років тому +2

      Wtf I didn't know people liked my comment, lol

  • @SilentSentinelX
    @SilentSentinelX 4 роки тому +42

    I just wanted to mention actual battle tactics. I'm in agreement with the Covenant coming out on top, but without even touching the technicalities of each side's fleet elements, something to keep in mind is that the Covenant are capable of pinpoint slip-space jumps. Star Wars utilizes hyperspace, which I've not heard of being used to navigate in-system. This means that the Covenant have the capability to redeploy at any given moment if something begins to go wrong. While the Republic would be hard-pressed to reestablish a front line, the Covenant would be capable of doing so whimsically. Many Star Wars space battles degenerate into a disorganized maelstrom of ship-on-ship combat, and reforming or regrouping is unheard of. While a single Covenant ship has been known to engage multiple ships at a time with frequency, this is usually the result of the Covenant ship being alone in the first place. Covenant naval combat on the scale of a fleet battle is a highly organized and deadly affair. If ever the Covenant's battle line was beginning to falter or was penetrated to the point of a ship-on-ship melee, they could easily regroup behind the Republic and resume their attack if they so chose, because they are capable of pinpoint slip-space navigation. This great advantage in mobility, coupled with their fleet tactics of remaining as one cohesive fighting unit, as opposed to the Star Wars universe's tendency to intermingle and break formation, would contribute greatly to the Covenant's victory.

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 2 роки тому +1

      Micro hyperspace jumps are actually quite common but they require either an Interdictor cruiser or a very skilled crew

    • @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
      @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy 2 роки тому

      Also, they take time to prepare and do.

    • @CommissarChaotic
      @CommissarChaotic 2 роки тому

      That's one of the sad things I've observed in Star Wars... There's a lot of wasted potential for the people in it... Though it kind of makes sense since it's not like every alien has the same culture, alliance, etc with the others...

  • @reffzorakee694
    @reffzorakee694 5 років тому +28

    Cant believe how some people actually forget the actual size of high charity's defense fleet, though we really don't know the actual amount of CSO carriers that escorted high charity i would at most say there would be 4-6 at the very least the rest of the carriers would either be the CAS class or dds class carriers. The rest of the covenant fleet would be composed of massive amounts of CCS cruisers, CPV destroyers, quite a few frigates and corvettes hell there might be a few of those covenant super cruisers or sniper ships if you wanna call them that and don't get me started on High Charity's defenses on the station and the Forerunner dreadnought that could be launched and used on the republic. Forgot to the mention that Covenant carriers can launch massive amounts of seraphs banshees and phantom gunboats along with covenant boarding crafts aka ticks that could board a republic warship and destroy or use it against the enemy. Another point is you have severely under estimated the power of covenant shielding and weaponry because their point defense systems was point on accurate in destroying human fighters hell the pulse lasers could even penetrate a Venators armor with ease if given enough time, not to mention that covenant plasma torpedoes have devastating effect on other warships and 3 could easily disable or even destroy a Venator. lastly the sniper ships if the covenant have a few with them are more then capable then destroy the republic defense fleet while at extreme distance, In the Halo book Fall Of Reach this ship meaninglessly destroyed 50 unsc ships with i believe was one shot and turned the tide of the battle for the covenant which allowed them to turn their weapons on the ODP guns to allow there forces free reign on reach. i get it that you wanted a fair fight for both but you cant leave out some of the critical factors on the covenant Defense fleet that allowed them to be a menacing foe.
    P.S this comment is not meant to hate on eck i actually love his content but i cant just stand by and watch my favorite factions true power cut down

    • @WadcaWymiaru
      @WadcaWymiaru 5 років тому +2

      Humanity ships are weak as fuck...major battle with ONE planet civilization give them horrible loses, now do you want vs Earth of the galaxy?
      *Star Wars* crushes there, Disney or Legends, doesn't matter.

    • @areallymeanperson
      @areallymeanperson 4 роки тому +2

      @@WadcaWymiaru but we are talking about the home base of a bunch of religious fanatics dedicated to travel the great journey, not reach, not even earth would survive if high charity and the fleets surrounding it woud slipspace nearby, and odds are, they wont lose a significant amount unless humanity got really lucky and placed something like a slipspace bomb or a nuke on a ship or something, but even then, that'd be close to impossible considering how many other ships there are, the only reason high charity and the surrounding fleets were lost, was because of the flood
      But even then, not much can counter the flood, actually, the flood were one of the main reasons why the covenant lost, the other being Masterchief as well as the great schism, so saying they had major losses to humanity is kind of downplaying the covenant

    • @WadcaWymiaru
      @WadcaWymiaru 4 роки тому

      @@areallymeanperson
      1. Humanity is really WEAK! Someone calculated that standard MAC is like ~65 kt. Star Wars Turblasers are mostly ~50 Mt, firing 2-3 shots PER SECOND. (movie, Falcon hit)
      Additionally if I WAS the UNSC commander i would build...10 000 DEATH STARS during the 27 years war with Covies. UNLIMITED resources from asteroides&moons+infinite energy from the SUN! Add the endless manpower from the AI alone, even if Earth manpower was in billions, fuck even USA alone should be able to do that! Start with 44 million tons and use equation for growth or power to two 27 times.
      2. Covenant engaged CONSIDERBLE forces for just battling the Earth with like ~300 ODPs. And they didn't overpower them without suicidal rides.
      A ONE fucking planet...how many planets Star Wars have?
      How many shipyards? How many *Star Destroyers?*

    • @elitegaurd52
      @elitegaurd52 4 роки тому +6

      @@WadcaWymiaru Earth was actually a victory for the Covenant at first lol... Earth only managed to do so much damage because they had such a massive group of orbital platforms and a large home defence fleet.
      Other human planets quickly fell and most UNSC ships were felled extremely fast by the convenant fleets.
      Your whole Turbolaser 50GT or whatever is bullshit they do nowhere near enough damage for said claim. If anything they're 50MT, but nowhere near 50GT

    • @elitegaurd52
      @elitegaurd52 4 роки тому +4

      @@WadcaWymiaru You also act as if death stars are cost efficient and easy to build so obviously you know nothing.

  • @equinsuocha8905
    @equinsuocha8905 6 років тому +32

    Also, Covenant ships dont typically miss, as they use particle beams and guided plasma torpedoes which dont miss either. Star Wars capital ships aren't know for their weapons having high accuracy and they just tend to saturate an area with fire hoping to cause damage to enemy fleets and ships, this is very ineffective, especially since the Covenant ships can engage with their primary weapons at distances greater than 100,000 kilometers and still score first round kills.

    • @darthrevan704
      @darthrevan704 6 років тому +3

      Equinsu Ocha but the guided cove net weapons were disrupted by a magnetic Feild and in starwars magnetic fields are used in every thing in mean the airlocks in starwars were held together by a magnetic fields so all the plasma toros would be completely useless

    • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
      @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 11 місяців тому +1

      The venator can hit targets accurately from 10light minutes away 111769438 miles

    • @stephenkenney8290
      @stephenkenney8290 10 місяців тому +1

      The problem with many of these sci-fi universes is that weapon ranges are not consistent across their respective lore.

    • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
      @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 10 місяців тому

      @@stephenkenney8290 yeah, because when you look at the movies of Star Wars it will show ships not being in range when the targets like only few 100km away but in the books or comic it will show the ships having 1000s of km of range

  • @SirAroace
    @SirAroace 6 років тому +69

    No one ever give the republic its y-wings

    • @daltonyoung8694
      @daltonyoung8694 6 років тому +3

      Sir Aroun exactly

    • @Fyrebird721
      @Fyrebird721 6 років тому +2

      Not that it would have really mattered, as the covenant DOES have large numbers of laser point defense, and rather strong shielding

    • @AsrielDreemurYT653
      @AsrielDreemurYT653 2 роки тому

      @@Fyrebird721 you’re right

  • @edgelord7748
    @edgelord7748 4 роки тому +20

    You forgot CSO carriers there were two protecting the fleet and you forgot phantoms and banchees

  • @dustinjolly8494
    @dustinjolly8494 6 років тому +11

    FOR THE REPUBLIC

  • @sidneyschnyder7793
    @sidneyschnyder7793 6 років тому +80

    Xenomorph VS Star wars
    Era: After the Clone wars

  • @khorneberzerker7192
    @khorneberzerker7192 6 років тому +398

    *TAU EMPIRE VS THE COVENANT*

    • @melonboi927
      @melonboi927 6 років тому +27

      ANGRY MARINE not angry enough

    • @HawkTheRed
      @HawkTheRed 6 років тому +31

      *YOU FUCKING IDIOT, THAT'S NOT ANGRY ENOUGH!!!!!11*

    • @jackurquhart7994
      @jackurquhart7994 6 років тому +27

      imperium wins everytime

    • @squishy1706
      @squishy1706 6 років тому +2

      FA THA GRTTER GUD!

    • @Tonius126
      @Tonius126 6 років тому +7

      ANGRY MARINE W40k have shitty space travel. They are going to be out maneuvered in every engagement.

  • @georgbergsten6050
    @georgbergsten6050 6 років тому +58

    Well I think it's safe to say that the republic fleet still would've incoluded hundreds of Arquitens, consulars and acclamators as well.

    • @elmateo77
      @elmateo77 3 роки тому +11

      But the High Charity defense fleet had at least 2 CSO class supercarriers (which are basically the Halo equivalent of the death star). So I think the outcome is still the same.

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 2 роки тому +6

      @@elmateo77 the Republic fleet had The Pride of the Core which was a Dreadnought roughly the size of a CSO and probably had other smaller Dreadnaughts

    • @elmateo77
      @elmateo77 2 роки тому +4

      @@josesanchezrodriguez1783 A CSO is 29km in length whereas the Pride of the Core was a Mandator II class, with a length of 8km. So a CSO is 3.6x the length, and assuming other dimensions and density are similar that puts it at about 45-50x the mass. It's difficult to compare power levels between ships in different universes (especially since there's so much contradicting info about star wars, and most of the power output numbers don't line up with the results we see from their weapons), but the CSO is definitely a much larger ship.

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 2 роки тому +1

      @@elmateo77 Oh right, I assumed it was the size of the Executor

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 2 роки тому +2

      @@elmateo77 I still wouldn't consider it to be a DS analogue since the DS dwarfs it by a lot and outguns it heavily.

  • @Nik-spartan
    @Nik-spartan 3 роки тому +18

    Who would win?
    A mobile planet guarded by thousands of covenant ships that have shields and has millions of warriors living on it.
    One tiny popcorn boii

    • @shadowfort1985
      @shadowfort1985 3 роки тому +2

      Aniket Vijayvargiya you know the popcorn boi will win

  • @french_2049
    @french_2049 6 років тому +29

    Space battleship Yamato vs imperial II star destroyer
    Edit: due to people pointing out the overpoweredness that is SB Yamato, maybe a executor class instead

    • @theimmortalsuperbeing549
      @theimmortalsuperbeing549 6 років тому +1

      So an Army Flying Titanic lol jk I think it would be fun for him to do that one

    • @josephkugel5099
      @josephkugel5099 6 років тому +1

      @Willard: I think any ship with a Wave Motion Gun takes that fight EASY, if however its a non Wave Gun vessel then its a close fight, i figure the Cosmo Navy ships are much smaller so they can park on top or below the Star Destroyer and either hit the bridge with a full shock cannon broadside or out those same rounds into the hangar bay causing heavy internal damage.

    • @french_2049
      @french_2049 6 років тому +1

      Joseph Kugel holy shit you've heard of Yamato 2199

    • @josephkugel5099
      @josephkugel5099 6 років тому +1

      @Willard: Yes and i loved it, I also watched the original Star Blazers when i was a kid so me and the Argo I mean Yamato go way back.

    • @judesantos8120
      @judesantos8120 6 років тому

      The WillardFTW Small, fast, and protected by plot armor (strength depends on how much the plot needs)
      Oh yeah and the Wave Motion gun
      Edit: Small in comparison to Star Wars ships

  • @khorneberzerker7192
    @khorneberzerker7192 6 років тому +37

    Warhound titan vs Covenant scarab

    • @-_-2950
      @-_-2950 6 років тому

      Probably an even 50/50 split. The titan is more mobile and has great fire power, but is limited in the fact that it would still need to concentrate it's fire for a while to get it anywhere, where a scarab would likely be able to finish a titan in one or two blows from it's main gun.
      However the mobility of the titan would give it the edge to move out of range of it's main gun in similar fashion as the Scarab and AT-AT battle. If it got out of range of the scarab's initial blast then it has a really good chance, but if it gets hit before then then it's likely a game over for the titan.

    • @gpheonix1
      @gpheonix1 6 років тому +4

      warhammer 40k has better lore therefor it's inherently going to win

    • @user-gi4wg9ib8i
      @user-gi4wg9ib8i 6 років тому +3

      Jaegen Ashbrook Warhound with intact void shields can survive a straight shot from a Volcano Canon,which can vaporize several dozen meters of metal in a single shot,which is arguably enough to destroy a Scarab. Scarab can't nearly dish out this much damage.Scarabs were disabled(beyond field repair capability) by Mark 2 MAC's,which are nearly not as powerful as 40K guns. Scarab's gun has range of about 650 meters. Warhound can outrange any non-superheavy tank in 40k,which gives it a range of at least several kilometers,but that depends a lot on a weapons layout. And warhound is actually slower,with 58kph on road and42 kph offroad vs scarab's 76kph. It might be smaller and slower,but it is more protected and has at least comparable weaponry with superior range. Despite its smaller size,it has more than enough firepower to destroy

    • @bladeclanhalo3
      @bladeclanhalo3 6 років тому +2

      the scarab doesnt use steel, it uses a material many times toughest than titanium allows with tungstun

  • @nyalan8385
    @nyalan8385 6 років тому +64

    The covenant put a heavy focus on ship infiltration as well, meaning that infintry battles will also play a part in the fight, clone armor is meant to resist blaster fire, which is plasma, but not plasma like the covenant carries, its more of a goo like plasma that sticks to the surface and briefly melts it, which i think will go through clone armor, at least the thinner plates, and the elites energy shield would probobly be more effective at resisting blaster fire. If it is the fleet from halo 2 then there would be significantly more brutes with the same shielding technology (brutes are particularly deadly and i think one could take out around 20 standard clones), and with the average amount of brutes sent in with the other units, they would probably be able to capture a ship from the inside. Just something else for the statistics

    • @joshuahadams
      @joshuahadams 5 років тому +6

      ShadowMatrix85
      Energy swords, fuel rod guns, and needlers. Active camo, hunters, and personal shields. I don’t think brute force is the best way for the republic to take out boarding parties, unless they’ve got Jedi and all the heavy weapons at the ready.

    • @DustGundam
      @DustGundam 4 роки тому +2

      Somebody better make a video of an animation of the pre-halo destruction covenant vs starwars

    • @zacharykotulski8537
      @zacharykotulski8537 3 роки тому +1

      Halo plasma is unstable but a lot more powerful. Star Wars plasma is stable but weaker. In all honesty, Halo plasma is the way to go unless you are fighting Chris Kyle, Vasily Zaytsev, or H2 Legendary Jackle snipers, because they could hit the plasma container on the gun and cause a big explosion, while Star Wars blaster packs would do little more than a plasma pistol shot if they explode

    • @blueguy2128
      @blueguy2128 6 місяців тому +1

      Oh yeah the Covenant Ranger units were known to the UNSC as ship killers, they were feared for good reason. Covenant just couldn't resist getting up close and personal even while massive ships are blowing each other up

    • @blueguy2128
      @blueguy2128 5 місяців тому

      Halo plasma is NOT like a damn goo. That "hAlO iNfInItE" bullshit where plasma leaves a stupid splat is NOT Halo plasma. Halo plasma is as Halo Reach shows it. A bolt of sizzling electric ionized gas that explodes on and vaporizes anything it hits. When the books described plasma as "splashing" over targets it fucking meant as fire. Fire splashing rolling over shit. 😐😐😐😐 How fucking stupid can people be

  • @tinlemm39
    @tinlemm39 6 років тому +15

    In halo 3 have you seen wat that elite did with his sized fleet against the clearly out numbering covenant fleet

  • @benhooper1956
    @benhooper1956 6 років тому +28

    I like how the Covenant Roflstomps the Star wars Universe every time

  • @willsmith9934
    @willsmith9934 6 років тому +174

    Reapers vs The Halo universe

    • @hermeister3870
      @hermeister3870 6 років тому +7

      Will Smith forunners and flood win, unsc and covie...not so'sure

    • @TheT7770ify
      @TheT7770ify 6 років тому +47

      Super mac's and plasma. They would vaporize the Reapers. And that's not fan boy-ism's. A super mac had enough force to shoot through 3 Covenant ships in one shot and they were way better shielded then the Reapers and the Reapers have never really faced an enemy with high powered plasma weaponry, they basically set up the rules of the universe so they never would have to. In addition the Reapers are really small in the Halo universe. A Reaper ranges from 160 meters to just over 2 kilometers, a stalwart-class frigate is 478 meters and that's the low end of the size spectrum, the largest known craft is the CSO-class super carrier which is almost 30 kilometers long. A normal CAS-class assault carrier (5,346m) could just ram a Reaper with little ill-effects

    • @xyro3633
      @xyro3633 6 років тому +10

      Will Smith Bruh, the UNSC could take on the Reapers.

    • @ExtraXBanana
      @ExtraXBanana 6 років тому +2

      Will Smith If you watch the reapers vs the empire it's a similar idea to that the reapers would have to fight smart and lay low to win, a big difference at least in this case though would be that the reapers would be capable of taking unsc fleets quite effectively provided we're talking pre infinity or they aren't attacking an orbital defence grid. The covenant is a tougher one to call as reaper ships main guns are at minimum about twice the power of a unsc mac it probably wouldn't take much to punch through a covenant ships shielding however we don't know how well reaper ships are equipped likewise to take hits from plasma weapons, although looking at the protheans particle rifle and similarly the collectors weaponry (which probably came from Prothean weapons) it appears the reapers likely have faced some form of plasma based weaponry in the past, though if they would be capable of standing up to a covenant cleansing beam I doubt it but there's no way to fully know.

    • @theimmortalsuperbeing549
      @theimmortalsuperbeing549 6 років тому +3

      +Xyro like hell. The tech the UNSC use is similar to Alien Colonial Marines. The Reapers would end them.

  • @donovanp5953
    @donovanp5953 6 років тому +103

    good video, I find it hard to believe that a CAS only holds 300 fighters though. Especially considering you could potentially fit a venator in a CAS hanger bay, and the venator was given around 300.

    • @coletrain8494
      @coletrain8494 6 років тому +13

      The CAS was just the battle carrier, and, considering its firepower, 300 fighters is impressive. The CSO class, however, is a whole other story. While containing impressive firepower, contains thousands of fighters, because it exchanges the firepower for fighters. Yes, I am a grade A halo nerd.

    • @jarogniewtheconqueror2804
      @jarogniewtheconqueror2804 6 років тому +1

      Donovan P, Its name is probably misleading as it appears to function more like a battleship rather than a carrier, due to its impressive firepower, size and shields.

    • @claudiocardosomartins4058
      @claudiocardosomartins4058 5 років тому +5

      I also find it hard to fathom that a 5 KM long Assault carrier can only carry 300 fighters on its massive hangar bays. In the lore they're explicitly mentioned to carry thousands of fighters and tens of thousands of troops, enough for a moderate invasion army.

    • @tomoe6108
      @tomoe6108 4 роки тому +6

      According to Halo Warfleet, the Shadow of Intent (a CAS-Class Assault Carrier) held roughly 1850 vehicles. This does, however, include 700 ghosts. If we were to replace all of these vehicles with seraphs, while ignoring any sort of specialized storage for each kind of vehicle, I would say each one could carry around 600~800 seraphs.

    • @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
      @East_Coast_Toasty_Boy 2 роки тому

      @@tomoe6108 on an off note, those are hovercraft, not vehicles.

  • @Clorox-enjoyer
    @Clorox-enjoyer Рік тому +2

    Lets not forget the two CSO supercarriers that were about 29 km in length.

  • @fleetmastereddie6306
    @fleetmastereddie6306 6 років тому +7

    "With about a 100,000 Capitol ships." Dig that slip lol

  • @ottovonbismarck7094
    @ottovonbismarck7094 6 років тому +5

    Imagine what the shock troopers on the ground were dealing with on the ground battle during the battle of couracant.

  • @fabulous_finn7810
    @fabulous_finn7810 4 роки тому +46

    I feel it is semi-unfair to remove the Jedi from an argument about the Republic Navy. Yes, I can understand removing specific tactics and leaders, but Force-users were an integral part of the Coruscant Defense Fleet. Like, just about everyone was there. The power levels of the Jedi while space borne aren't quite as insane compared to their "on the ground" shenanigans, but clones don't pilot Eta-2s. Only Jedi. Additionally, if the Republic knows it is going to greet the Covenant fleet after a hyperspace jump, I don't they wouldn't have had multiple hyperspace-capable fighters already deployed before their jump (the Jedi ETA-2s on their rings and the ARC-170s with theirs as well).
    Overall I cannot disagree with this fleet vs fleet video. Now, if the Sepratists were the faction discussed, I feel this could be far more interesting.

    • @danielcowan4901
      @danielcowan4901 2 роки тому +1

      I feel that the separatists would just throw droids at the covenant en masse.

    • @kaptinkanoodle5039
      @kaptinkanoodle5039 Рік тому +1

      @@danielcowan4901 That's what they do best

    • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
      @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 11 місяців тому

      @@danielcowan4901they would just throw Hyena class bombers at the capital ship until the problem doesn’t exist anymore

  • @IGnIZ117
    @IGnIZ117 4 роки тому +5

    Covenant used aroud 750 ships to attack Reach, and High Charitys fleet was bigger...

  • @onikiller815
    @onikiller815 Рік тому +4

    To be quite honest, it seems there are very few factions in sci fi that could stand up to the force of the covenant. They were kind of designed to be that way

  • @player276
    @player276 6 років тому +119

    I think the critical flaw in the battle is that the Covenent were able to shoot down Venators before they launched their fighters. We actually have similar fights during WW2, were you had Carriers vs Battle Ships. Spoiler Alert: Carriers won by a mile. There was never a single battle where a battle ship was in range of a Carrier, as it simply made no sense. Carriers stay back and let their fighters do the fighting.
    Putting BattleShip like warships in range of Carriers mitigates their biggest weakness and exploits the carriers biggest weakness. In real war, the ships start out of range.

    • @Raving_Rando
      @Raving_Rando 6 років тому +17

      But what if those battleships have point defense that basically renders fighters useless, also shielding and hull plating more then capable of tanking small fighter shots?

    • @thebiggru2637
      @thebiggru2637 6 років тому +17

      Raving Rando nice one

    • @Greg-ku7rn
      @Greg-ku7rn 6 років тому +20

      In atmosphere maybe, but the range of weapons in space, especially light based weapons, would effectively be infinite.

    • @Helljumper7200
      @Helljumper7200 6 років тому +8

      Covenant Supercarriers had this long range super lasers

    • @gamerguy9729
      @gamerguy9729 6 років тому +2

      Gregthegamer light cannot be a weapon as it's caused by photons which are massless so the couldn't harm anything but yes weapon range would be infinite except gravity from nearby planets would suck the weapons in

  • @vladthebad9360
    @vladthebad9360 6 років тому +3

    100% agree. Covenant plasma will be very effective against un-shielded ships. In halo the fall of reach it says that the plasma cut through a few meters of Titanium A battle-plate like a butter knife. Which is crazy especially if you include the ships with the straight laser plasma.

  • @garythealmighty2645
    @garythealmighty2645 6 років тому +80

    Still waiting on that mantles approach vs executor video.

    • @EckhartsLadder
      @EckhartsLadder  6 років тому +19

      Gary The Almighty so hard to find info on the ship. But right now I think it'd go against the eclipse or the death star, rather than the SSD.

    • @darklazarre442
      @darklazarre442 6 років тому +1

      NoEyedFSH! Thatd end it in a second since you cant shield from it

    • @acrking76
      @acrking76 6 років тому +1

      The mantles approach is the size of high charity it is ridiculously huge

    • @acrking76
      @acrking76 6 років тому +2

      The mantles approach is just way to big to fight anything it is 371 KM tall

    • @Skyfire-dy4yw
      @Skyfire-dy4yw 6 років тому

      +EckhartsLadder A keyship could just ram the death star and push it into a nearby planet. Problem solved. Also, Book forerunners >Infinity> Game forerunners.

  • @sirwaggington7707
    @sirwaggington7707 5 років тому +26

    Elite: ship master they out number us 1000 to 1
    Ship master: then it's an even fight

  • @hugenerd8994
    @hugenerd8994 6 років тому +1

    i love how you played Home by resonance as the ending song. great video man keep it up! :)

  • @alphonse1379
    @alphonse1379 6 років тому

    I have gone back and watched your old videos, and your mic and video quality have drastically increased. Thanks for making such awesome content!

  • @Brandon93951
    @Brandon93951 6 років тому +59

    I wonder if the Star Wars Galaxy could defeat a Zerg Invasion. The moment the Zerg start infesting Jedi or Sith or just force wielders in general. The Zerg gain a huge advantage. I could see a dark Jedi or Sith agreeing to it just for the power boost thinking they could throw off the mind control only to become slaves of the swarm.

    • @ob_gynkenobi4014
      @ob_gynkenobi4014 6 років тому +4

      Talon9390 That is a hell of an idea! I agree 100%. I could see some Dark Jedi/Sith agreeing to merge with Zerg. Great comment!!!!

    • @kabob0077
      @kabob0077 6 років тому +3

      FOR THE SWARM!

    • @Brandon93951
      @Brandon93951 6 років тому +7

      On top of that once they absorb that trait they could give all zerg Force based Physical Enhancements since they take useful traits and share it with the swarm.......hmmmm That could go both ways if they absorbed a Jedi first who knows maybe the light side would turn them at least neutral. But if it was a Sith its a battle to extinction.

    • @Frosty14748
      @Frosty14748 6 років тому +10

      Who needs the pathetic Zerg when you have the Tyranids and their hive fleets!

    • @armoredlumberjack1999
      @armoredlumberjack1999 6 років тому +6

      Who needs the pathetic Tyranids when you have the Imperium and its trillions upon trillions of men ready to die and drown the enemy in blood

  • @zackarilow
    @zackarilow 6 років тому +4

    take a shot for every time he says fleet :D

  • @savintheuk2.070
    @savintheuk2.070 6 років тому

    Nice video man I enjoyed it

  • @dalekbumps
    @dalekbumps 5 років тому +2

    Considering the Republic Navy was brought to its knees by a faction run by incompetent robots and bumbling diplomats, I think another important factor to take into account here is the tactical prowess of the Covenat, specifically the Elites, compared to the Republic that is well known for making obvious tactical mistakes, particularly in naval combat. It would not take the Covenant long to figure out that the ridiculously exposed and flimsy bridge of the Venators could be severed with just a few seconds of Energy Projector firing, and honestly even though I actually think the Coruscant Defence Fleet is larger than the numbers given here, even with more ships they would never stand a chance. Add High Charity to the mix, a station that is larger, better armed and more mobile than even the Death Star, as well as the CSO Carriers, and the Republic fleet would be mopped up each and every time, no question. Even a smaller Covenant fleet could glass Coruscant in a week.

    • @Raving_Rando
      @Raving_Rando 5 років тому +1

      Huh... Never thought of that actually. Thank you.

    • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
      @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 11 місяців тому

      The covenant would never be able to glass coruscant they would never make it through the planetary shield

    • @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976
      @panzerkampfwagenviiimaus3976 11 місяців тому

      Also plasma weapons cause covenant shields to overheat faster

  • @marshal8358
    @marshal8358 6 років тому +5

    The CIS first and third fleets, against the High Charity.

  • @SkullivanBones
    @SkullivanBones 6 років тому +71

    to me this felt a little too lopsided to be interesting. the battles starts and half of the republic fleet just die? thats not a battle its a slaughter.
    complains about video... still likes video... im a weak man... leave me alone :P

    • @antoine121
      @antoine121 6 років тому +1

      Lmao

    • @SkullivanBones
      @SkullivanBones 6 років тому +6

      nate z i kno that was kind of my point. was that the republic under these conditions are incredibly outgunned in this scenario making it a bit unfair.

    • @ragemonkey117
      @ragemonkey117 6 років тому +9

      Nate Z no they wouldn't. The Covanant fleet would lose, but barely. The Republic Fleet would win, but would take heavy, heavy losses.

    • @survivaldayz5739
      @survivaldayz5739 6 років тому +7

      yeah gotta be carful around jackets they can overheat you :)

    • @85Funkadelic
      @85Funkadelic 6 років тому +2

      reddead405 no I totally agree with you I don't think the Republic would start within range of the capital ship weapons. I would give them the benefit of the doubt knowing that there are carrier heavy race where they pop in and get all their Fighters out and do strikes on them early. Overwhelming the outnumbered Covenant Fighters and then doing Precision strikes on certain ships.
      Then the big Covenant ships get within range and do massive damage to the smaller ships.
      It would be a closer battle......
      Oh and NERDS¡!!!!!!

  • @keenaneriksson6346
    @keenaneriksson6346 5 років тому +3

    It’d be cool to imagine the effects of covenant boarding craft too.

  • @Raving_Rando
    @Raving_Rando 6 років тому +6

    The way I see it, if we go by Legends then it isn't fair as the Republic are too powerful.
    But if we go by Canon it is funny enough reversed, as it would be the Covenant that are too powerful for the Republic to handle.

    • @pythagabc7954
      @pythagabc7954 2 роки тому

      yes, the covenant fleet is much larger,powerful and agile than the republic's,if you do the math the republic can only have about 1000 ships in the entire galaxy however the empire has more ships than covis

  • @JP-dz5oj
    @JP-dz5oj 6 років тому +9

    Executor and accompanying fleet seen in Revenge of the Sith vs Infinity and accompanying fleet seen in Halo 4's intro

    • @carlhaeggman2378
      @carlhaeggman2378 6 років тому +9

      The executor did not exist in the revenge of the sith.

    • @JP-dz5oj
      @JP-dz5oj 6 років тому +2

      SilentSplashGaming Sorry, meant Empire Strikes Back... No idea how I got that mixed up

    • @tsarbombawithinternetconne875
      @tsarbombawithinternetconne875 3 роки тому

      Fire the MACS on the exposed bridge of the executor, then finally the escorts. Easy

  • @jamesa1995
    @jamesa1995 6 років тому +3

    In halo 2 cortana shows the covenant fleet that had been detected entering the Sol system, there is also a visual aid and Lord hood also says how much bigger the reach invasion fleet was so that can give you a pretty good estimation on how big covenant fleets are

    • @jamesa1995
      @jamesa1995 6 років тому +3

      To be exact there were 2 capital ships and 13 battle cruisers Lord hood has that the reach fleet was 50x that size, so 100 capitol ships and 650 battle cruisers

  • @gustavoarzaga1679
    @gustavoarzaga1679 4 роки тому +2

    If many fleets are put together it is called an Armada

  • @aevangel1
    @aevangel1 5 років тому +6

    Drinking game: Every time he says "fleet", drink.

    • @theluftwaffle1
      @theluftwaffle1 3 роки тому +1

      I did this, and I’ve just recovered from the hangover.

    • @aevangel1
      @aevangel1 3 роки тому +1

      @@theluftwaffle1 damn a 2 year hangover?

  • @crowey3078
    @crowey3078 6 років тому +91

    Juggernaut vs At Te

  • @redacted9755
    @redacted9755 6 років тому +5

    well i think if you play reach on legendary you can see how ridiculously strong the seraph is

  • @minecraftabule
    @minecraftabule 6 років тому +1

    the fleet of of homogenous justice numbered in the thousands on ships, and had more than just 2 types of ships, and with fighters, most ships would have twice as many banshees as they do Seraphs give or take, but the real game changer in reality, the fleet of homogenous justice has multiple CSO class super carriers, these ships dwarf even the assault carriers in every way, now I’m not an expert on the Star Wars side but the raw firepower a CSO Carrier has is tremendous, a lot of very big guns, a lot of ships and a lot of fighters, to put it into perspective, one CSO class ship alone is enough to wipe entire armies without a scratch just take the fall of reach into account, 1 of those ships was enough to take on an entire planet of ships and carried enough to bring an invasion force on its own (I know the long night of solace was destroyed but not by conventional means so I don’t count it) so opinionated the full magnitude of the fleets protecting high charity would mop the floor with the Star Wars fleet that was presented

  • @BLISSBLAZE
    @BLISSBLAZE 4 місяці тому +1

    I had a dream that the covenant wage war on the multiverse I woke up and man what a movie or video game that would be.

  • @Gamer-gv7xn
    @Gamer-gv7xn 6 років тому +5

    if your going to do more star wars star ship vs i've got an idea Providence class command ship smaller version vs the MC80 Home one type Cruiser.

  • @bowb5880
    @bowb5880 6 років тому +10

    The entire world Vs the executor class

    • @Shmozone
      @Shmozone 6 років тому +3

      They could just sit in orbit and bombard the planet all day lol.

    • @plum_pudding
      @plum_pudding 6 років тому +1

      Nuke' em

    • @tricky0048
      @tricky0048 6 років тому +1

      Lmao so many random guys

    • @rulingmoss5599
      @rulingmoss5599 6 років тому

      Lets not exclude how many nukes we have.

  • @neopolitan2862
    @neopolitan2862 5 років тому +1

    That soarry at the beginning🤣🤣

  • @johnnyb7628
    @johnnyb7628 4 роки тому +2

    Just imagine how crazy it would be to see the covenant glass a world like corascant? It would be like watching new Alexandria on reach but on crazy steroids.

    • @phoenixx913
      @phoenixx913 2 роки тому

      Hmm it'd be pretty unlikely.

  • @llvg4229
    @llvg4229 6 років тому +43

    The Halo video game cinematics were more high def and realistic than the Revenge of the Sith, lol.

    • @pale_lad1252
      @pale_lad1252 6 років тому +3

      LL VG well the movies old now,so you can't really compare the two.

    • @BeBetter22992
      @BeBetter22992 6 років тому

      Bitch please you just jelly boi

    • @BeBetter22992
      @BeBetter22992 6 років тому

      What are you even talking about dude.
      You were being mean to my friend, so I stepped in and stuff

    • @a.morphous66
      @a.morphous66 6 років тому +1

      Have you seen Revenge of the Sith’s opening scene?
      Clearly you haven’t, because it still looks amazing. ILM seriously killed it with that scene.

    • @GhostOfSparta
      @GhostOfSparta 6 років тому

      They remastered all the old halos which is why it looks so good

  • @nexusdex5834
    @nexusdex5834 6 років тому +5

    The covernant fleet would win! You forgot one of there uniqe methodes of destroying ships and stations: Bombs inside the ships/ station like in Halo 2! And also you forgot the Super-carriers (for sure there was at least one in the mentioned fleet of high charity)

  • @JTruong3rd
    @JTruong3rd Рік тому +1

    A zealot elite is already bad enough to deal with, now imagine a force sensitive elite

  • @jacobkeys9429
    @jacobkeys9429 5 років тому +1

    One thing you could have looked at for an idea is the invasion of Reach where hundreds of ships invaded. But love the video!

  • @lance4208
    @lance4208 5 років тому +22

    The Republic fleet would have at least 5000 ships and energy projectors would be far less effective since venators are shielded unlike unsc ships

    • @naverilllang
      @naverilllang 4 роки тому

      Considering Star Wars and Halo shields have the same weaknesses (plasma is ionized gas), I imagine energy projectors to be decently effective at taking down shielded targets. They may not bisect ships in a single attack like seen in Halo 2, but they wouldn't be shrugged off.

    • @taelorpickel2830
      @taelorpickel2830 4 роки тому

      @@naverilllang That really depends on the Halo and Star Wars factions

    • @renton0915
      @renton0915 4 роки тому +6

      @@naverilllang Star Wars shields aren't limited to Energy. They have different types of shields layered each time to defend against Physical and energy attacks. In FACT Star Wars has Concussion missile and Proton torpedoes designed to pierce thru shields to over power them. Kinetic Weapons.

    • @josesanchezrodriguez1783
      @josesanchezrodriguez1783 2 роки тому

      @@naverilllang standard turbo and normal laser cannons are plasma too and shields were quite resistant to them, Ion weapons fired HIGHLY Ionized particles or plasma which made them even more effective against technology and shields

    • @Aredel
      @Aredel 2 роки тому

      They wouldn't be as effective, sure, but Covenant ships were mainly designed to combat vessels of similar design: shields, heavy armor, cores buried within the superstructure of their hulls. Republic and Imperial vessels would be a cakewalk for them. Shitty point defense systems and exposed bridges mean they can cripple an enemy capital ship with a single volley of plasma torpedoes.

  • @liampellett2038
    @liampellett2038 6 років тому +32

    You keep saying how star wars is more advanced yet on the space level they keep losing.

  • @CreepyClownkiller11
    @CreepyClownkiller11 6 років тому

    I like how this is done by a mostly star wars channel and has no fanboy bias :D

  • @Ceece20
    @Ceece20 4 роки тому +1

    It’s the difference between a military video game/story (Halo) and a space opera (Star Wars). One has the practicality of war and weapons/ships designed to actually fight, while the other has lots of little ships to make it exciting and lots of lasers to wow the audience.

  • @ShekelOverlords
    @ShekelOverlords 6 років тому +6

    Chimera vs the empire.
    The chimera should invade, since they have such variety of enemies.

    • @theimmortalsuperbeing549
      @theimmortalsuperbeing549 6 років тому

      And there ships are huge.

    • @ShekelOverlords
      @ShekelOverlords 6 років тому +1

      The Immortal Super Being plus they have insanely strong telepath using leader, so darth Vader can be challenged.

    • @adamerickson7605
      @adamerickson7605 6 років тому +1

      I love the Chimera. There needs to be another Resistance game.

  • @FirstPassOfficial
    @FirstPassOfficial 6 років тому +4

    Centurion class Battlecruiser vs Harrower class Dreadnaught

  • @MidnightSt
    @MidnightSt 6 років тому +1

    only reason why starfighters are given so much prominence and relevance in SW, in my opinion, is that it's the only way how the story can carry on having heroes be important, even through the space battles.

  • @alexandervolkov5205
    @alexandervolkov5205 6 років тому

    a good drinking game every time he says the word fleet take a shot

  • @silverbloodborne9495
    @silverbloodborne9495 5 років тому +7

    The covenant would win because of the shields and paint so yeah

  • @pale_lad1252
    @pale_lad1252 6 років тому +15

    I really feel like you underestimate the venators in each video.

    • @fbryn0688
      @fbryn0688 3 роки тому

      No, the covenant is just to damn powerful

  • @mokatwenty
    @mokatwenty 6 років тому

    Thanks man, know most of the stuff about all of these universes, but you taught me the name for when words lose meaning! Currently researching semantic satiation.

  • @snuzzysnorlax1253
    @snuzzysnorlax1253 6 років тому +2

    If we took the entire high charity fleet. ( CSOs included) Vs the entire courosant fleet the republic would get their asses handed to them.

  • @galbert117
    @galbert117 6 років тому +8

    BC-304 Odyssey (Post-Unending, but no ZPM) vs Imperial-II Star Destroyer

    • @thefirstprimariscatosicari6870
      @thefirstprimariscatosicari6870 6 років тому +1

      DrakeMarvell A slaughter. The Star Destroyer do not stand a chance.

    • @galbert117
      @galbert117 6 років тому +1

      Depends on how powerful turbolasers are compared to Stargate weapons, such as Goa'uld Ship-based Staff Cannons, especially after Unending, or Wraith Ship-based Energy Weapons. Considering even after the upgrades 304s still take time to bring down multiple Ha'taks (quickly bringing them down if you include the APBs), see the Hammond fighting off 3 Lucian Ha'taks (not destroying them due to only being able to use railguns since I believe the APBs were disabled by the Lucian's initial attack). Also 304s like the Daedalus and Apollo still struggled to engage Wraith Cruisers & Hives, even one-on-one, though this was before the upgrades. Even after the upgrades, due to the weaker energy sources on the 304s compared to the Asgard, a 304's shields (even though they were Asgard shields) were significantly weaker that those on an Asgard ship, due to using Naquadah generators. Now I don't know if the Asgard Power Core in the Odyssey after Unending was used specifically for the Asgard Computer Core (even though it helped power the Time Dilation Field alongside the ZPM) but if it was used for other things then perhaps it could be slated towards the shields to make them stronger....

  • @Scoobydum900
    @Scoobydum900 6 років тому +5

    Harrower Class Dreadnought VS Venator Class Star Destroyer

    • @daltonyoung8694
      @daltonyoung8694 6 років тому

      Rito Yūki is Ultimate Harem Protagonist venator would destroy due to outdated weapons and sheilds

  • @lingosniper
    @lingosniper 6 років тому

    Love the vapor wave in the background

  • @jackmilman9576
    @jackmilman9576 6 років тому

    *Imperium of Man laughs viciously in the background*

  • @bismark2442
    @bismark2442 6 років тому +4

    The federation fleet from the episode sacrifice of angels in deep space nine vs the rebel fleet of scarf from rouge one.

    • @gothicalpha
      @gothicalpha 6 років тому

      Bismark 24 do you play steel ocean?

  • @supremeleaderdoesbaddel5507
    @supremeleaderdoesbaddel5507 6 років тому +16

    CYBERMEN INVASION (STARTING ON CORUSCANT) VS REPUBLIC

    • @seanrea550
      @seanrea550 6 років тому +1

      1 dilak vs anybody

    • @brokenbridge6316
      @brokenbridge6316 6 років тому +2

      Dalek, Sean Rea.

    • @seanrea550
      @seanrea550 6 років тому +2

      thanks, the idea stands 1 Dalek vs anybody

    • @Armoless
      @Armoless 6 років тому +1

      As long as the anybody isn't the Doctor.

    • @Armoless
      @Armoless 6 років тому +1

      Also I've been curious to cyber men vs the borg.

  • @mansbestanky4017
    @mansbestanky4017 2 місяці тому +2

    3:40 Bro got the fall of reach handy like a bible in church 💀

  • @SpartanOli
    @SpartanOli 5 років тому

    Just with the title, i knew who was gonna win

  • @GlFeras
    @GlFeras 5 років тому +1

    I just couldn't stop thinking about covenant point-defense lasers.