Two brilliant minds talking smack and dissing each others' ideas good-naturedly. It doesn't get much better than this. And kudos to these two brilliant approaches!
It really is enjoyable to watch two of my favorite woodworkers working and joking with each other! As for the box joint jigs, each has its pros and cons. And interestingly, those are opposite each other. Somewhat as the two of you are. Each of you approach a project differently but with the same outstanding results! Thank you both for sharing the visit you two had together! Again, it would be very interesting to see you two come up with the same project and/or build it together from your own shops!
Two of my favourite woodworkers having fun and making dust. Both are absolute inspirations to me and make me proud as a relatively recent Canadian. Keep it up guys.
I like the idea that one can build a jig that brings a faster and more precise way to do the job of box joints for our projects. Good job to both of you. You are both inspirations to the rest of us.
You two crack me up. Like cousins who don't see eachother buy once a year and who compare and compete about everything when they're together. Great series of videos - keep them coming :)
I have been watching you Mathias for the last 5-6 months. It is heart warming to this Wood Butcher to see you both on the same video with the trivially rivalry, with enjoyable humor.
8:05 Matthias: "We have to cut it off anyway, so I think we'll use your....." John: "Miter saw? Here, I'll use that cuz you've got no experience with that." Classic :-)
two awesomely talented men, if these two partnered up with a manufacturer to mass produce their jigs they would make millions. keep the excellent videos coming guys
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You guys are truly the kings of internet DIY. You guys are really fun to watch and authentic. Maybe its because you are canadians? :)
I've really enjoyed these team-up/face-off videos. I was really pleased to see you two did more than one of them while together.. Both jigs are pretty cool. I'd have to watch the build videos for both again before deciding which one would be easier to make as that would be the deciding factor for me.
It's 2 AM and I'm watching this channel. As the recommended videos show up from years before, I realize how stange this guy looks. I also realize that I saw those videos like 4 years ago when they came out fresh. I love this channel, always have.
This has got to be the most comical comparison video I've seen in a long time and the determination in their faces is priceless. Go pro's you're both brilliant 😁
I'm loving the shop visit series. You should both do more traveling and visit more shops! Fun stuff. The competition / home built tool comparisons are a hoot!
You guys are both truly artisans. Hard work and practice makes people proficient, yes, but there's also an element of creativity that you both clearly are endowed with. Just discovered your videos...outstanding work by both of you!
I just built Johns jig and my first test cut was perfect with the blade i had on my saw... for those saying you need to match a blade to the threaded rod haven't actually built it. There is more margin for slight error with Matthias's jig as there is no positive stop to index each cut accurately. It is more flexible for weird stuff, but for 99% of the people out there Johns does what you really NEED.
Get him, Mathias! LOL. Y'all are so much fun to watch together. The sarcasm just rolls off of your backs and adds so much joy to your content. I have been subscribed to Mathias's channel for a couple years now and I often watch his videos over and over again and I seem to learn something new almost every time. But I have seen the other guy's videos too, and I do like the little box joint jig as well. The two of you make such a good team. It would be really cool to see you two build something intricate together as a project and cover it as a series of videos. Just a thought. Thank you for such great entertainment fellas.
You guys are great individually and awesome together. I love the banter. Good comradery. John's for simplicity and Matthias's for flexibility. Bought plans for both but I have only made Matthias's so far.
I am subscribed to both of these guys. It's like watching two sports cars pass me in my Prius. All I can do is look on in amazement! Great video and kudos to you both for your excellent jigs!
Fantastic video. Great to watch two UA-cam stalwarts comparing the sizes of their jigs! Now we just need Izzy to join the party. Keep the videos coming John and Matthias.
Love your rivalries! You guys are great sports and have aided in the massive growth in woodworking. Thanks to both of you I’ve started my own channel. Thanks again!
Really like these competitions. I learned so much from both of you. First from their websites and later on youtube. I just really like this kind hearted teasing you do for each other. Different perspective, different reasons and most importantly different persons making own very different solutions for same problem. Both have plus and cons, yet not either one is the best. Just the comparison of ideas gives so much. What to improve, is there an ultimate version of what you do etc. I just wish that some day I could complete something even nearly as good as you do in your field.
One is huge but more versatile in terms of sizing and joint options (the one I chose and use) and the other is simpler and takes up less space... both are ingenious designs IMHO!
Matthias' for versatility and speed and John's for accuracy and width. Though I guess Matthias' can be just as accurate but needs dialing in first. Sorry Matthias, I'd go with John's as it also takes up less space and having a very small workshop that's a big consideration for me. They are both amazing designs though... kudos to you both. :D
Once you've matched the blade with the rod it's a no brainer though, as you saw John's was a perfect fit first try and always will be from then on in. Matthias' needed dialing in. So I'd call John's more accurate and Matthias' more versatile as I said. :D
Easier said than done. Matching the blade to the rod means finding a blade with exactly the right kerf. None of the 20 or so sawblades I bought to date had a 1/8" kerf.
CryoGenUK yeah, Mathias has pretty big shops, so size isn't an issue for him, he usually likes making it once and using it until it breaks, I'm sure he could make a modified version thats smaller but it'd be a lot more complicated to build. And it still wouldn't be as small as the other.
After reading some of the many comments here I will add that the Woodgears.ca jig has far more versatility than the other jig. We have a Woodgears jig in our school shop and it has been used to create some creative variations on the box joint theme. Think variable spaced finger joints where the teeth vary in width from 1/8" to 1/2" or more. This jig rocks.
Big Fan of both of you guys . . . I see the friendly prodding was a blast to you both. This was loads of fun for all of us as well. I have been considering building a jig like this but had not considered which one to go with. Still not sure yet.
See for those bitching about all the other video's where Matthias rips John on clamps, biscuits, etc. John really had a field day on Matthias' Box Joint Jig. I don't see Matthias' getting upset. He took the criticism really well. John and Matthias have very different ways to doing the same thing. We all do and this series of videos is really showcasing these differences including differences of opinion. Both of these guys give as good as they take.
Hi Mattias, I use an Incra positioner attached to my router table fence. The smallest increment is 1/32". I always use a back stop to avoid blow out. I am not in a production setup and I do not need speed. Regards Colin in Northern Ireland
Both men are great in this field and an inspiration to many. I find it difficult to follow much of what is said but I can see the results. I have made one similar jig Matthias had with his gear generator, mine did work but was coarse in comparison to his.
You really should admit that John's jig is a very good solution as well. Wouldn't make yours any less! With all the friendly rivalry a bit of courteousness would make it more pleasant to watch
very nice video we really appreciate you guys show us the differences between the two. I think they are both great and rivaries are good as long as they are friendly. thanks guys
The gears are cool, but John's little switch lever mechanism is probably a much more manageable (i.e., easy) build for some of us. Both jigs are obviously awesome, but at the end of the day, I think I'd go with simplicity…so John wins for me.
I think for versatility and more functions Mathias is hands down the winner. For ease and clean cut the other guy. Really Mathias machine takes a bit to make sure cuts are good but once you get used to it he has the optimal machine. One jig to rule them all.
I can never decide if you guys like or hate each other lol. I love watching. Mathias I've wanted to build your jig for months but haven't got the time to cut gears. John k.i.s.s (keep it simple stupid) is the most productive most of the time. Difficult to judge. Both have their place. U guys could just send me one of each ;)
And just for the record. John used to make Matthias' Box Joint Jig for sale. Story is on woodgears.ca if you want to read about it. The point is all this is pure banter.
I must say thanks for the long awaited video on the box joint jig. I know you guys are friends and i must say you both win on the contest of which one is better ? It doesn’t matter they both do what they are intended to do everything has its pros and cons in life and woodworking isn’t any different This video does get a two thumbs up from a entertainment value as its fun to watch you two go at it in fun my father used to tell me there are many ways to skin a cat do whats best for you as long as you get it done I see both sides in this situation as i like the mechanism that Marrhais developed but favor the simplicity of Johns jig so which one really is better ? It doesn’t matter they both work ! Without taking sides. If either of you two. As I think you both are smart guys and enjoy your channels equally alrgough i will add as I have gotten older I ted to keep things. Simpler as in the keep it simple stupid method or K ISS. As it is taught over the years of hiring and working with many apprentences in the woodworking industry that method has worked best overall especially with younger or less epericed people I was. Happy to see this video finally get posted and it was as funny as i thought it wold be as sarcasm Are both of your highlights in entertainment when you two get together and put out a video Hope to see more in the future. Of course
You really only need to cut two sizes of box joints. 1/4" and 1/2" Those two sizes cover thin and thick stock. The joinery is strong and looks appealing. It is efficient to make too. Neither of their jigs is practical for production.
Two brilliant minds talking smack and dissing each others' ideas good-naturedly. It doesn't get much better than this. And kudos to these two brilliant approaches!
It really is enjoyable to watch two of my favorite woodworkers working and joking with each other! As for the box joint jigs, each has its pros and cons. And interestingly, those are opposite each other. Somewhat as the two of you are. Each of you approach a project differently but with the same outstanding results!
Thank you both for sharing the visit you two had together! Again, it would be very interesting to see you two come up with the same project and/or build it together from your own shops!
This is my favorite youtube rivalry, ricegum and jake paul got nothin' on these two guys
Two of my favourite woodworkers having fun and making dust. Both are absolute inspirations to me and make me proud as a relatively recent Canadian. Keep it up guys.
I like the idea that one can build a jig that brings a faster and more precise way to do the job of box joints for our projects. Good job to both of you. You are both inspirations to the rest of us.
4:57 When John give safety advice immediately after dangling the neck straps of his hoodie within 6 inches of the still-spinning tablesaw blade.
Oh wow. I probably do the same thing and never thought about it. Thanks for point that out.
Great to see you two very talented guys having a great time :)
I hate to think how many times I have watched this video- apart from the great jigs the entertainment value is second to none. Thank you both!
Maybe that's how that video got up to 100k views!
You two crack me up. Like cousins who don't see eachother buy once a year and who compare and compete about everything when they're together. Great series of videos - keep them coming :)
Thank you guys, to share the opportunity (and great laughs) to watch two of my great woodworking mentors!!!
Cheers from a Brazilian fan!!!
I have been watching you Mathias for the last 5-6 months. It is heart warming to this Wood Butcher to see you both on the same video with the trivially rivalry, with enjoyable humor.
8:05 Matthias: "We have to cut it off anyway, so I think we'll use your....."
John: "Miter saw? Here, I'll use that cuz you've got no experience with that."
Classic :-)
I go for John's. Compact, beautiful and accurate. Thank you both for your generous skill sharing
two awesomely talented men, if these two partnered up with a manufacturer to mass produce their jigs they would make millions. keep the excellent videos coming guys
You guys are truly the kings of internet DIY. You guys are really fun to watch and authentic. Maybe its because you are canadians? :)
I've really enjoyed these team-up/face-off videos. I was really pleased to see you two did more than one of them while together.. Both jigs are pretty cool. I'd have to watch the build videos for both again before deciding which one would be easier to make as that would be the deciding factor for me.
These videos have been a great laugh and informative at the same time. Thanks guys for the laughs and inspiration! Have a great day!
Really enjoying these series of videos Matthias, some friendly comparisons and light hearted jabs at each other.
I really like both jigs. One for size and convenience and one for variable ability. You both have a very creative design.
It's 2 AM and I'm watching this channel.
As the recommended videos show up from years before, I realize how stange this guy looks. I also realize that I saw those videos like 4 years ago when they came out fresh. I love this channel, always have.
This has got to be the most comical comparison video I've seen in a long time and the determination in their faces is priceless. Go pro's you're both brilliant 😁
Guys, stop comparing your wood. It's not how much wood can fit, it's how you use it.
"Nobody wants 6 inches, they want wide."
This is actually a documentary about the territorial behavior of woodworkers.
Could watch these comps all day! Thanks Guys!
This was fun watching two wood working geniuses exchange ideas and tips with a few jabs in as well.
I'm loving the shop visit series. You should both do more traveling and visit more shops! Fun stuff. The competition / home built tool comparisons are a hoot!
I liked seeing you guys have fun while demonstrating the awesome jigs you’ve made!
You guys are both truly artisans. Hard work and practice makes people proficient, yes, but there's also an element of creativity that you both clearly are endowed with. Just discovered your videos...outstanding work by both of you!
I just built Johns jig and my first test cut was perfect with the blade i had on my saw... for those saying you need to match a blade to the threaded rod haven't actually built it. There is more margin for slight error with Matthias's jig as there is no positive stop to index each cut accurately. It is more flexible for weird stuff, but for 99% of the people out there Johns does what you really NEED.
Get him, Mathias! LOL. Y'all are so much fun to watch together. The sarcasm just rolls off of your backs and adds so much joy to your content. I have been subscribed to Mathias's channel for a couple years now and I often watch his videos over and over again and I seem to learn something new almost every time. But I have seen the other guy's videos too, and I do like the little box joint jig as well. The two of you make such a good team. It would be really cool to see you two build something intricate together as a project and cover it as a series of videos. Just a thought. Thank you for such great entertainment fellas.
watching you two together is like watching Abbott and Costello's "Who's on First". Keep being awesome.
You guys are great individually and awesome together. I love the banter. Good comradery. John's for simplicity and Matthias's for flexibility. Bought plans for both but I have only made Matthias's so far.
I am subscribed to both of these guys. It's like watching two sports cars pass me in my Prius. All I can do is look on in amazement! Great video and kudos to you both for your excellent jigs!
Awesome to see you guys having so much fun. Makes me wish I had a shop buddy like that.
Fantastic video. Great to watch two UA-cam stalwarts comparing the sizes of their jigs! Now we just need Izzy to join the party. Keep the videos coming John and Matthias.
Enjoying this series of clips, looks like you both had a good time. Will have to make a box joint jig, not decided on which version.
Awesome comparison and the friendly competition is lots of fun to watch.
I've watched this video 3 or 4 times now. It's great every time. Love watching 2 nerd compete at something they love.
this might be my favorite youtube video of the year.
It's always great seeing you tubers coming together
I just want to say you guys are both are Awesome wood workers
You two should do more collabs together! You two are so funny working together and evenly matched in engineering skill!
The two of you make a great comedy team .. Love it !
Matthias and Johns both of you are amazing we learn a lot from yours thanks
I'm glad you guys are into wood, and not explosives. ;)
Now you give me an idea for a show, "WoodBusters", you know who in which role.
There where some other meatings from other UA-camrs, but you both are the funniest guys to watch - and most interesting.
Love your rivalries! You guys are great sports and have aided in the massive growth in woodworking. Thanks to both of you I’ve started my own channel. Thanks again!
Nice adjustments at 2:40 and 7:30. Knowing these things by heart speeds up the work and makes it precise.
Two Great woodworkers
always enjoyable to watch you guys
This is one of the best video's that I've seen in a long time on UA-cam, thanks
Really like these competitions. I learned so much from both of you. First from their websites and later on youtube. I just really like this kind hearted teasing you do for each other. Different perspective, different reasons and most importantly different persons making own very different solutions for same problem. Both have plus and cons, yet not either one is the best. Just the comparison of ideas gives so much. What to improve, is there an ultimate version of what you do etc. I just wish that some day I could complete something even nearly as good as you do in your field.
A jig off, just what UA-cam has been missing! Great vid guys
So this is what Canadian's do in the winter...
You both are wonderful woodworkers. I love watching both of your channels.
Loving the banter. The innuendo at the end was pretty funny too! lol
Mathias is always gonna win when it comes to making machines and jigs.
Two massively different ways to get to the same place. It's fun to watch.
Thank You guys. We all learn from each other. My box joint jig is neither of the above, but a new one might be in my future.
Great series. Looking forward to John visiting Mathias' shop, next.
You guys are great! I really enjoyed watching the rivalry.
matthias wandel its like the challenge has been set between the both of you..there both very good designed box jigs!
You guys need to keep doing buddy videos. I've enjoyed both of your videos for a while now, this has been fun the last week.
I would consistently watch a channel with you too going at it and laughing all day
One is huge but more versatile in terms of sizing and joint options (the one I chose and use) and the other is simpler and takes up less space... both are ingenious designs IMHO!
Matthias' for versatility and speed and John's for accuracy and width.
Though I guess Matthias' can be just as accurate but needs dialing in first.
Sorry Matthias, I'd go with John's as it also takes up less space and having a very small workshop that's a big consideration for me.
They are both amazing designs though... kudos to you both. :D
Once you've matched the blade with the rod it's a no brainer though, as you saw John's was a perfect fit first try and always will be from then on in. Matthias' needed dialing in. So I'd call John's more accurate and Matthias' more versatile as I said. :D
Easier said than done. Matching the blade to the rod means finding a blade with exactly the right kerf. None of the 20 or so sawblades I bought to date had a 1/8" kerf.
+Matthias Wandel Stop shopping for blades at the dollar store :D
Haha, you guys are awesome :D
CryoGenUK yeah, Mathias has pretty big shops, so size isn't an issue for him, he usually likes making it once and using it until it breaks, I'm sure he could make a modified version thats smaller but it'd be a lot more complicated to build. And it still wouldn't be as small as the other.
The laughter between you two is really neat,,,,
After reading some of the many comments here I will add that the Woodgears.ca jig has far more versatility than the other jig.
We have a Woodgears jig in our school shop and it has been used to create some creative variations on the box joint theme. Think variable spaced finger joints where the teeth vary in width from 1/8" to 1/2" or more. This jig rocks.
Big Fan of both of you guys . . . I see the friendly prodding was a blast to you both. This was loads of fun for all of us as well. I have been considering building a jig like this but had not considered which one to go with. Still not sure yet.
See for those bitching about all the other video's where Matthias rips John on clamps, biscuits, etc. John really had a field day on Matthias' Box Joint Jig. I don't see Matthias' getting upset. He took the criticism really well. John and Matthias have very different ways to doing the same thing. We all do and this series of videos is really showcasing these differences including differences of opinion. Both of these guys give as good as they take.
Hi Mattias, I use an Incra positioner attached to my router table fence. The smallest increment is 1/32". I always use a back stop to avoid blow out. I am not in a production setup and I do not need speed. Regards Colin in Northern Ireland
But are they interchangeable??? One mans finer joints, meshing with another's, is a great and timely symbol for peace and humanity.
Both men are great in this field and an inspiration to many. I find it difficult to follow much of what is said but I can see the results. I have made one similar jig Matthias had with his gear generator, mine did work but was coarse in comparison to his.
You really should admit that John's jig is a very good solution as well. Wouldn't make yours any less! With all the friendly rivalry a bit of courteousness would make it more pleasant to watch
I don't like it when mom and dad fight.
very nice video we really appreciate you guys show us the differences between the two. I think they are both great and rivaries are good as long as they are friendly. thanks guys
The gears are cool, but John's little switch lever mechanism is probably a much more manageable (i.e., easy) build for some of us. Both jigs are obviously awesome, but at the end of the day, I think I'd go with simplicity…so John wins for me.
The first one was great but I have to give it to the second one.
You guys are awesome
Looks like you guys are having fun!
Keep the videos coming!!!
i really enjoy both of these designs
I'm highly amused by the fact I enjoy the videos of the Canadian so much. You two and Matt cremona who may live in the US but it's from Canada
Love this serie of videos. Merry X-mas and a happy new year to you, Rachel and the little lady.
I had a great time watching these series ;-)
Both of you guys are amazing!
Great banter guys! I think both have their benefits but for production and larger shops and projects Matthias you win in my book.
I think for versatility and more functions Mathias is hands down the winner. For ease and clean cut the other guy. Really Mathias machine takes a bit to make sure cuts are good but once you get used to it he has the optimal machine. One jig to rule them all.
Both jigs are needlessly complex and both awesome examples of the engineering behind each one.
I can never decide if you guys like or hate each other lol. I love watching. Mathias I've wanted to build your jig for months but haven't got the time to cut gears. John k.i.s.s (keep it simple stupid) is the most productive most of the time. Difficult to judge. Both have their place. U guys could just send me one of each ;)
This shit is great! I know there's a long drive between you and John but we need more of these videos.
And just for the record. John used to make Matthias' Box Joint Jig for sale. Story is on woodgears.ca if you want to read about it. The point is all this is pure banter.
Вы, обе прекрасные мастера. Приятно смотреть Вашу работу..
John will never be defeated in any competition because he is perfect. at least in his mind.
Matthias, do you think you would do a video with Jimmy Diresta?
I think Diresta takes him self way too seriously for that.
I'm a subscriber of both channels, thanks guys!
Looks like fun! The arguing, that is ;)
Indeed!
Wintergatan Dude. I don't know why I'm surprised to see you here! Love your work!
owh..wintergatan...making new album?
if i were in an argument like that it would have ended in shouting, kicking out, and never talking again
great ,fun video ! thanks guys ,two greats at work together .
Matthias
your business is good and I like watching it
Rick Moranis VS John Candy...FIGHT!!
Ed Grimley and Johnny LaRue...lol...just kidding...SCTV flashback :)
Haha holy shit.
a couple of real hosers
"always wait until the tablesaw blade stops turning"
leans over and almost dangles his cords into the blade
The two of you are a hoot to watch!
Great fun to get you two together !
I must say thanks for the long awaited video on the box joint jig. I know you guys are friends and i must say you both win on the contest of which one is better ? It doesn’t matter they both do what they are intended to do everything has its pros and cons in life and woodworking isn’t any different This video does get a two thumbs up from a entertainment value as its fun to watch you two go at it in fun my father used to tell me there are many ways to skin a cat do whats best for you as long as you get it done I see both sides in this situation as i like the mechanism that Marrhais developed but favor the simplicity of Johns jig so which one really is better ? It doesn’t matter they both work ! Without taking sides. If either of you two. As I think you both are smart guys and enjoy your channels equally alrgough i will add as I have gotten older I ted to keep things. Simpler as in the keep it simple stupid method or K ISS. As it is taught over the years of hiring and working with many apprentences in the woodworking industry that method has worked best overall especially with younger or less epericed people I was. Happy to see this video finally get posted and it was as funny as i thought it wold be as sarcasm Are both of your highlights in entertainment when you two get together and put out a video Hope to see more in the future. Of course
I can't tell who won... I think that's a good thing! 🤓👍🏼
fans have won
Matthias, yours has the versatility! The gears gives so much scope for customization! And youre a bit more humble about it :)
You really only need to cut two sizes of box joints. 1/4" and 1/2" Those two sizes cover thin and thick stock. The joinery is strong and looks appealing. It is efficient to make too. Neither of their jigs is practical for production.