He popped up in mine just yesterday and I’ve already seen him like 7 times when scrolling through the void. For what I’ve gathered from seeing him, he seems like a genius who also has a heart, and I love him for it.
There were three reasons I pirated games in the past. 1. I had no money 2. I had little money, the game had no demo and I wasn't sure if I want to actually play it. 3. It was an EA game
With the new game prices I'm thinking about pirating games once again, I'm not willing to pay 70€ for a short lived waste of time that isn't complete until I buy additional dlcs for 40€ each 😂
That's what I do. Russia is pretty similar to Brazil in this sense, people are poor including me, so I pirate most games, and then buy them if I enjoy them when I get money to do so. Also, I pirate the games that are no longer available to purchase here.
@@markimonki4017 - In Brazil, we usually refer to our monthly salary. So yeah, a triple A game costs about 1/3 of your monthly income if you live on a minimal wage.
@@The_Reaper86 Nintendo's idea of a deal is being able to buy a game you owned 40 years ago that you paid $10 for and being able to buy it again today for $30
I just bought your game and soundtrack. I don’t even currently have a working computer and I might not ever play it but the fact that you understand pirates means a lot wish you the most success possible.
Eh, most game launch sites like Steam get it, hence seasonal sales. It gives both profits of people wanting the game two months before the sales to buy it, and people who want to save money a opportunity to give more money to companies as well.
@@SOAVGaming Still you need to wait for sale and hope game will be on sale also even on sale many games are still vastly over what most of the world can afford. 60dollar game on 50% sale is good deal for you but for most of the world absolutely unaffordable. Now we can argue developing game cost ton of money, promotions, ads etc. yeah that right. But here the kicker and i take it to the extreme if they sell 60 dollar game for 1 dollar in lets say India or whatever that is still vastly more then if people don't buy game at all or pirate it. It better sell million copies for 1 dollar then 10 thousand for 60. If products are affordable piracy will die out because people want to own shit, not deal with viruses have updates and full access etc.
You know, hearing that it makes up basically 25% of studio revenue, it makes more sense why whenever games are localized to portuguese, it's always brazilian portuguese
Brazil has a much higher population than Portugal (20x). The dialects are so different from each other, it really makes a difference which one you pick (unlike British vs American English). The Portuguese would literally rather play the game in English than in Brazilian Portuguese. They all speak English anyway since nobody dubs Hollywood movies into European Portuguese.
@@scottcloweYup, 100% the case, some of us (myself included) often prefer to play games/use software in english even when a european Portuguese option exists (its common for it to be badly translated, and if you already speak english you reduce the chance of stuff getting lost in translation)
Even if it weren’t such a huge chunk of the studio’s revenue, it’s plainly obvious that Brazil is larger than Portugal. No need to look any further than that right there.
Piracy has done more for the industry than the industry will like to admit. Large majority of artists, programmers and developers were able to get into the field was because they had access to those software via piracy when they were young, me included.
I used to work for a leading OTT company in my country, that is also a company that is able to compete with foreign OTT services like Disney+ or Netflix in the ASEAN region. And i can confidently say, that out of the 350 employees only around 20 to 30 have legitimate software. The rest use pirated software or freeware either for copywriting, video editing, graphic design, coding, UI/UX, etc.
You definitely have a point about it being an unseen benefit, or at least an inevitable necessity of the industry. I mean talk to any programmer that has been coding on/tinkering with pcs since they were younger and they ALL pirate software. Getting into that world when I was a teen led to learning all about pirating all kinds of things. Hell you don't even need to be a programmer, just someone who builds pcs and at some point a huge percentage of those people will end up installing a pirated windows OS or a crack for one until they can afford to pay for a legit copy/sometimes forever. That might be the only pirated software someone installs in their life but it has such an impact on what we know as the internet/online culture and the tech industry as a whole
It's so good to hear someone validate it that it's not just cause people are jerks. I come from a poor country (was poorer when I was a teen) and people pirated because we couldn't afford to buy games that were half our parents paychecks at the time. Now that things are better, I buy my games (even if pirating is still an option) because I like supporting the people that make them possible!
yea, I also think it sucks because a lot of the pirates I see online are just privileged people from America, because there aren't many international people on the servers I am on. (Usually there is always a Spanish discord for the game or something like that) I don't get to see Brazilians too often lol.
now games are still fucking expensive when we're young and still studying, it's ridiculous how expensive games are getting nowadays lmao, which is why people are taking advantage of refund policies etc.
@Yuwunahhh Depends where you live, Prices for games have honestly stayed the same for a long time. Hell they were 60$ for triple As the last 15 years and just recently went up to 70$ (at least here). Indie games cheap af. The key is that if you are young you dont get free stuff anyway. Examples are any elective activity you do. Sports, camping, collecting stuff, card games. I don't think young people can't afford is a good arguement imo. Though to be noted that it's less likely parents support video games as a hobby, so they won't pay for it as much
Gabe Newell has famously said, "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates." This still rings true to this very day. Edit: Holy hell. Thanks for the 6.1k likes!
Too bad most companies don't get that and keep shoving performance ruining DRM in their games that only increase the incentive for piracy and only really hurt paying customers.
You define what "service" covers, but really a huge part of it is economics. Doesn't matter how good of a library and browser steam is, if people can't afford it, they'll pirate it and would probably be willing to go through the hassle of finding torrents and cracks. Steam sales do count as "service" but it really still is all about economic ability.
Well, valve made history in game development course, and latest developments like proton and steam decks are evolving gaming even more. However, beside my love for valve, I guess it's really hard to make something better than free. Most people pirate out of the reason that the game is free. Just try not to pirate too much, or do so on old products, not AAA products recently released
I was thinking the same thing. Understanding people are not bad. Just because we don’t have financial resources. I use to pirate games as a kid had zero money as an adult I went back and purchased many of the games I played, and if they had sequels if piracy was banned, I would’ve never purchased any of it
yea, doing business with VPN users.. change your region to brazil, save some money. and this guy thinks its real brazilians buying his product, then you come and believe this shoot. weird world.
I remember seeing a tweet of someone saying they love pirating indie games, and it was them downloading the files to ultrakill. Hakita, the lead developer/ creator of ultrakill, responded by saying “if you can’t support a game with funds you can support it with words, and telling people you played it and your opinions on it, *Ultrakill is a project meant to be enjoyed by anyone, regardless of their social class or economic status,* thank you for playing my game.” Absolute legend of a developer.
When I was younger I remember talking with a group of young Brazilians that were buying Xboxes and Playstations. And knowing how hard and expensive those are to ship, I asked them why they would get them here, in the US. The young man literally said it was *cheaper to fly to the US, buy the Console and *send it home via airmail* then it was to buy it in Brazil. Awesome of Thor to recognize this and hook Brazil up.
When i was a teenager people used to go to paraguay to buy consoles, smartphones and hardware. They still do, but the price difference was way bigger back then
I dont think its like this anymore for consoles, but people still do it for iPhones and other electronics. The newer iPhones with something like 256-512GB can go up to 9-11 minimum wages, while flying to the US and buying it its like 7-9 depending on the season and you can spend some days as a tourist in another country
Reminds me of a "Pharmaceutical Tourism" company from the US that would buy plane tickets for people to fly to San Diego, bus them across the Mexican border, and give them prescription drugs in Mexico because that was cheaper than buying and administering the drugs in the US.
I'm Brazilian and I confirm this. I ALWAYS pirated games when I was younger and didn't have any money... Buying a game was just nonsense.... Nowadays it's even worse, the triple A games are worth R$ 200 - R$ 300, that's like 20% of a MONTH worth of minimum full time work pay.... Anyways now I have more games that I can play and all bought via Steam... I will never pirate again, but only because I can afford it. If I couldn't, I'd be a pirate again.
@@TJayMid different target, different tactic 🤣 The thing about american is, you don't care abt how much it is, as long as you get what you want. So? Microtransaction, insane price markup, so on so on. Is it industry fault? No, industry are alike to its consumer just like mirror, capitalism works well with hedonism.
@@v1sudo brother its not like hes reading a reddit post for views, hes talking about how he applied that information to his game that he made like be for real.
@@ElectricJelly03it’s literally as easy as “Brazil rise up, i love you guys”. over the years i’ve learned that Brazil is the most lowkey countries that has incredible internet culture
As a Brazilian I can confirm that is true. May I ask you Americans a question, why do you guys eat so much fast-food ? Sorry if I made mistakes in my English and if it sounded rude let me ask for pardon
@@witherblade7558 There are different areas in the country where food is more valued as a thing of cultural pride, but for many average americans, high quality food is seen as a luxury and we try to put the money towards more fun luxuries like electronics or hobbies instead
Exactly. Games were always so expensive here in Brazil, back in the 90's we even barely had access to the games, you couldn't find legit games anywhere.
and it continued during the PS2 era too, i'm a 2003 kid, and had around 1 game a year, the rest was pirated. We literally learned how to unlock consoles so we could play it back then. It is so weird to me seeing companies pushing this EXTREME pricing into us.
@@Malam_NightYoru not just companies. games were taxed as electronic goods (like a pc, and i don't need to tell you what pc parts cost here) until very recently iirc. idk if the tax changes have gone in effect yet, but you can bet it won't change anything because companies will jack up the price to remain the same and give them More Profits... when it'd probably be more profitable for them to lower it, but you can't ask a big game company's CEO to have a brain not addled by greed
The problem with his solution is that it doesn’t exactly mean 25% of those sales are actually Brazilian. VPNs are often used to adjust currency conversions
@@mobilegameclips5628 No you cant claim a key or play the game if its bought in brazil unless you are always connected to a brazilian ip and you would more than likely need windows setup under a brazilian ip
@@mobilegameclips5628Steam has an anti-VPN system. You cant just change country, buy the game in foreign currency for a fraction of its price and turn the VPN off. It doesn’t work.
@@mobilegameclips5628 Except Steam anticipates this and makes it a real hassle to switch your locale. Most people aren’t going to risk the banhammer for a deal they can get in an upcoming Steam sale.
Dude thank you. Cheapest game in turkey is like 900 liras (cheap ones). A bottle of water is 3 liras. So a game costs about 300 bottles of water in turkey. It's really hard to buy games in here thank you for localisation.
@@MarcosLopez-ky5yg i didnt said anything about it being expensive. Turks no longer have try (turkish lira) to buy games in steam we buy with usd, 100 liras or I think it is 5 usd which is 150 liras is like really cheap for a game.
That's amazing. Brazil is not small by any means, but the fact that a company can have a quarter of the profits come from a hugely discounted game that's sold in a country outside of their own is amazing
There's one more factor in the equation: we have a VERY powerful gaming culture. Everyone, from poor middle-aged construction workers to very young rich kids play videogames, it's one of our main sources of entertainment. It's kinda wild. None of the countries I've lived in are like this, not to this level
@@znth-gameworksyup even my very family coming from a ranching background enjoy gaming. The only difference compared to us here in the US is the economic differences and how people maximize their spendings, ie what games they may choose or even what consoles/builds they’ll have access to. It’s not that people have no ethics when they pirate, it’s just that spending 60 USD on every single game is absolutely impossible. Here in the states we may still opt to to save more money or for other purchases, there they simply don’t have that money in the first place.
@@raphaelpralong126 I understand the gaming culture of both countries and you gotta trust me on this one: Brazil is CRAZY when it comes to loving videogames. Of course people in the US love games, but BR gaming culture is some next level shit. A good example of that is the fact that even with some gaming hardware having 92% tax over the original price, effectively costing 2 to 3 times what it costs in the US we still find ways to get it. If you're interested in learning about how crazy we are about games I recommend you research how our economic and cultural proximity to Japan turned 90's Brazil into gaming paradise for some time. Cheers
Being loved by Brazilians is the best thing that can happen to a creator of any kind. Awesome people who really support what they support. No half effort.
I was a VERY poor student for 7 yesrs. I have retroactively gone back and bought every game that i... Acquired.... During that time. I have also tried to support smaller devs when i was able. Do i feel bad that i had somewhat covertly obtained those games? Not really. Do i want to support those devs to be able to have good lives and feel the love from their community? Hell yeah
More companies need to learn that pricing things appropriately for the target demographic actually increases overall revenue. It's very surprising they dont know this. Thankyou Thor for leading the charge
companies do know this. they just don't do it because overpricing something leads to more short-term profitability from the people who can afford it or have been heavily looking forward to it.
Not trying to defend corporations but I would assume this is much easier said than done. There are things I would never buy even if I had a ridiculous surplus of money. Yet companies or brands like Versace and Gucci are still flourishing. Or if we're talking video games, then CoD still makes a good profit despite huge backlash and reused content.
They do know they could do this, but they also know that it's not actually possible for many products, and it often doesn't actually increase your net revenue because it doesn't pay for itself.
Absolutely, Australia has/had a reputation for internet piracy for TV shows due to a lack of access: we used to get shows months late, if at all. Legal methods were expensive and you didn't get the show at the same time as the US/EU Services improved with streaming and now piracy is much reduced, though I expect it to pick up a bit with the fragmentation and increased monetisation of streaming platforms
And now that every studio stopped licensing to Netflix because they want you to also sub to their own streaming service, piracy is back. Who could have predicted.
We here in Brazil really appreciate people like you. I stopped purchasing games made by Sega since they turned off regional prices for most of their games and they skyrocketed in price due to that. You, on the other hand, care about people in other regions who can't afford games due to them being expensive. You are a legend, much love from Brazil! 🇧🇷 ❤
@@prototypechannel6975 Well, they turned off buddy, Bandai Namco as well, so the games like Dark Souls 1,2,3 and sekiro are more expensive now then when it released...
As an Argentinian, our prices just got F'd because Valve decided to switch from ARS to USD, so we are "paying" full price for games, plus we pay a shitload of taxes (100%!!!). Like, new AAA games basically cost the same or more than I can make in a month. So I hope this is heard by devs around the world before we return to pirates lmfao. EDIT: Just wanted to address a couple of things people are commenting on this thread (?). First, to all other poor countries with either high taxes or terrible prices, please, we are on this together, this is not a fight for who’s poorer lmfao. Secondly, to all dumb people arguing in favour the current government, F YOU. Unregulated cpitalism and anti-consumerism is what ruins it for us 3rd worlders, we can't fix anything through free market bs.
They should have made it so if you have an argentinian card it still gives you localised pricing. Its due to people using this and then reselling online why they made this change
@@345planet It's specifically a video game tax? What's the tax if you buy crypto? Devs don't necessarily need USD; we can write bots to convert it as soon as it's received. Some may even *cough* charge less if you paid that way.
Hey brazillian here! This is so true that most brazillian gamers actually condemn piracy of indie games, which are usually the most afordable ones, to the point that I saw many guys being kicked out of groups/servers bc they didn't own the game legit
Yeah at it's core gamers that pirates games aren't usually jerks. They are just people that just want to have fun. "You shouldn't be too poor to have fun" Needs to be heard
Feels like you didn't watch the video. People in Brazil pirate because the alternative doesn't work. Someone pirating from an affluent country whole doing fine themselves does not have an excuse.
@@20storiesunder Feels like you didn't read his comment. Not sure where he says that "people doing fine themselves" have an excuse to pirate games. He actually said pretty much the opposite: poverty shouldn't prevent people from having fun. You clearly do know how to read, so I won't patronizingly insist you learn how. But reading comprehension, and more charitable interpretation of others' words, could probably use a little improvement.
@@zvexevz"someone pirating from an affluent country while doing fine themselves does not have an excuse" was what they said. all 3 of you are arguing completely seperate points.
Brazillian girl speaking here, and god you're right! I even feel bad for doing piracy but if i don't, i wouldn't be able to play a lot of things i played until now. Seeing someone that really understands that and does something about it, is a real sign of care for us, and i think i can speak for all of us that it means a lot bro
Don't feel bad, piracy isn't wrong, what's wrong is asking $70 dollars to brazilians for games, especially considering how many games come out unfinished now.
@@CiciChessOh my gosh that is so much more disproportionate than I thought it would be. At that rate, closer to 86% discount would be proportionately fair.
Just because you like him, doesn’t mean he won’t boot you. The gaming industry is cutthroat everywhere, and the end of the day, if the company doesn’t make a profit, non top level employees always get booted. Be a game designer, but be ready for the reality of the situation.
bro, we usually stop buying when the price is much higher than normal and we let the game die here in Brazil until some dev takes some action regarding the price, but there are always some individuals who prefer to pirate the game rather than not consuming the game game that is expensive
@@pedrunscwhy not sail the high seas and give these tyrannical corporations the finger simultaneously, instead of paying an arbitrary tax when you don’t have to? I’d pirate every game if it was as feasible as it used to be.
@@XanViciousit is? You get more value than ever with your purchases. You still live in the 1990s in your brain when Nintendo games were 70 dollars lmao ☠️
I'm not from Brazil and I still love you. At last, one person that understands that selling games everywhere at "the same price" just calculated locally according to currency rates doesn't work. We need more non-greedy devs like you. Piracy would plummet hard.
Isn't that what he's doing, essentially? To the purchasing power, I mean. $10, generally speaking, is about an hour's worth of labor for most of the US. From what I'm reading, the median hourly rate in brazil is equivalent to $3.09... so, he made it approximately worth one hour's worth of labor Idk, that method just makes sense to me. Sell it at a price scaled to their means
@@stevenn1940what the OP is saying is that they are selling the game for $10 internationally, but converted into the country's currency without factoring their economy. $1 is 4.85 Brazilian Real as of current exchange rate (from a quick google). So in today's money, this game is 48.50 BRL before any discounts ($10 x 4.85 BRL/$). I'm not from Brazil, nor do I know anything about their economy, but let's say hypothetically, to make that much in Brazil may take 4 hours of work to accumulate in BRL. Where as in the USA, $10/hr jobs are much more abundant and you make the value of the game in less time. When factoring in Brazil's economy, making the game around $4 would make the cost 19.40 BRL, reducing hours of work needed to make the cost of the game. Hope this makes things a bit more clear!
It’s worth noting that right after this he also said, steam has things in place to keep you from getting a vpn that makes your computer say it’s from Brazil and buying the game at Brazil price
For anyone interested in the mechanism, Steam requires you to buy something with a card from that country for you to get that country's store prices, and you can't change it for like 3 months. So you can't just VPN into a purchase since your card will still be from your country, and if you get one card from that country you are locked into that country for a while, so no flash buying then going back to your country.
All I say is I know people with multiple steam accounts just to buy games in other countries' currencies. Simply get access to an account that uses that currency, log in, purchase the game you want and start to play. Pretty easy.
Though with how our currency and economy has been faring compared to the rest of EU, and us having to have prices equal to those in the EU because of our membership, I'm expecting for a rise in peer-to-peer traffic. Not that our ISP's care anyway. :)
It's still expensive compared to what people make in the EU, it's just that there's a lot more options now (indie games) and well, now I'm an adult with money so I can afford it.
I especially like the message of humans that this sends as well. People *want* to buy the game legitimately. They want to own it, want to enjoy it, and want to support the developer. Most people who pirate just simply can't afford it because the world's economy is so diverse. I have so much appreciation for you doing the things you're doing
Very true, though "diverse" isn't the first word I'd use to describe the hugely unequal distribution of wealth globally. Almost sounds like a euphemism the World Bank would think up, like "economic growth is positive, though problems remain in countries with diverse income generating opportunities." I know you didn't mean it that way, but language is important. Like how the term "developing countries" made it so panellists at Davos could look like they cared about global poverty without having to actually mention that scary word.
@@elster2048 1 brazilian real is about 9 egyptian pounds atm, i'm not sure about the game prices in brazil region if they were cheaper or not but i guess i would still be quite expensive either way
People from Brazil , you are in a really good place compared to us , because I'm an Iranian who can't even try to afford a game ,not only because it's so expensive and unaffordable , we are not even able to pay it , our existence is completely denied in Steam or any other online Markets.
@@William.H.Bonney1why would he make it permanently cheaper for us when the average American or European can actually afford it from a single minimum wage paycheck? and if you like the game it should be roughly worth that value too
@@William.H.Bonney1a burger you eat in 5 minutes costs $10 nowadays. Big ass reach to say he’s fucking you for charging $10 for a game you’ll spend hours on lmao
This is absolutely true. When I was a student and poor I pirated loads of games, and whilst some people will say that's stealing, I couldn't have bought the game anyway so no revenue was lost from me pirating, they weren't getting any money from me anyway. Once I had a job I went back and bought all the games I'd pirated.
I did the exact same thing with the same reasoning. and when I got a small summer job I spent most of my money rebuying games I pirated, starting with the more indie games (which I always felt guilty for pirating). I might not be able to pay them, but you sure as hell know I recommended those indie games to all my friends.
@@MnDogman do you think... ANYONE is gonna come after me for pirating a game no one makes money off of anymore, and which was never commercially available in the first place? I may as well have bought it second hand, because that's the only way I'd have ever got it. My money was never making it back to Nintendo on this one, DESPITE the communities best efforts to get a port.
I'm a Brazilian gamer and your channel alone has convinced me to buy your game. I've never seen it or heard of it before and it looks really fun, can't wait to play it :)
That's really smart. When I lived in Brazil I noticed most of the consoles people used were usually a generation behind whatever we use in the U.S. because of cost. So it makes perfect sense why you did this approach for such a massive video game market.
Dude, as a brazillian, you almost made me shed a tear, it's so refreshing to hear a company take this into account. I hope you have massive success with your games man, you understand gamers, thank you!! EDIT: Dang, over 2000 likes D:
The problem why a lot of video game companies won't do this is because people in rich countries will just use a VPN and buy games from the cheapest country
@@SammySlam Yeah it depends on the price. Heartbound can do this because its a 10 dollar game. Setting up a VPN to only pay 4 on a 10 dollar game is too much trouble. However at a 70 dollar game, paying 20 to 30 now the VPN sounds a lot more enticing.
@@SammySlam I honestly don't think that is as common as you might believe. A majority of people simply would never think to do that, and many others just wouldn't. I think the world of people who would think to go through VPN is pretty low to the overall purchasing population. Assuming the game itself is not trying to milk every penny out of you. If it is like Diablo Immortal, people will find any loophole they can.
I pirate games because Ubisoft said I should get comfortable not owning the things I buy. I responded by telling developers that they should be comfortable when I don't buy their games and still get access to it. If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
As a Turkish person i can relate As growing up we couldnt buy games through steam due to USD etc we always had to pirate it. After steam started using Turkish Lira i started to buy games even though i could pirate it to support the devs.
yeah but that is going to change for turkey and argentina and we're going to have to buy in USD from the 20th 😔 i bought a ton of games from my wishlist bc from the 20th onwards i'll only be able to if they're 80% off lmao
As an Aussie you should be getting control over your government, the increased prices there aren't due to currency price differences like it would be for countries like Brazil. It's due to your government adding extra taxes and having the tax be included in the price of the product. But as an Aussie you should know that too.
@@LordAnorak not just that, but it's also a remnant from the days of Physical Copies which added quite a bit of shipping costs, sadly now that's gone the companies still stick that "Cost" into their own pockets instead because people will buy it anyway at those costs...
@@CodaMission no they're the economy on the edge of nowhere being milked for non-existing shipping costs when it comes to gaming, Nobody should have 110 dollars as their base price for games, especially when the rest of the world pays Less for it
As a kiwi I couldn't agree more. The Antipodean Tax we pay for everything is beyond ridiculous, and often justified by suits because "it's more expensive to live there so we have to charge more so our employees can eat." I call BS.
Have not heard of the game nor the studio until now, but after this I'm buying whatever you put out there. As a brazilian and fellow game dev, this is the way that I say thank you, you're in a good path
The Brazilian market is actually huge, most of our male population loves gaming, but most of the time we feel like the developers are just giving us a huge middle finger with those impossible prices, specially Nintendo
If you still do it when you can afford to buy, you're nothing more than a leech, a parasite. There are good reasons to pirate, but they are very specific. Not many can allow themselves to give away their time and effort for free. Be thankful to those who pay the creators, so that we can all indulge ourselves.
So he lowers the price dramatically so that people can still get a game they enjoy.. and your response is “well it’s not free.” I dead ass would absolutely LOVE to watch you build a game for over 100 hours equal to his than see if you hand it out for free.
@SirLoafin bro chill. Im.just stating a fact. If the price is $10, it's better to manually lower the price to $4 than have pirates steal it and give you nothing
@@leoritchie9635so I see along with being an asshole you're also illiterate or you just don't seem to like to listen because what he said was as a means to prevent piracy for the general population who otherwise wouldn't potentially be able to afford the game it is realistically $4 for Brazilian purchasers even if it's technically listed at 60% off of $10 Here I'll give you the short of it because it's obvious you don't like to read: Brazilian purchasers only need to pay $4 straight up
Absolutely love is the fact that most PC gamers who pirate games end up buying the damn thing anyway and it's simply because they stopped making demos. Cool thing about demos back in the day is that they were a finished product because they wanted you to buy the game.
Well, part of a finished product, and I distinctly remember many instances of the main game differing from the demo because demos are usually earlier builds. Many games still have demos btw, you can find them on Steam extremely easily.
Lol, I have a box full of old pc gamer mags in storage my pops would get in the mail. After he passed i just chucked them in the box until the sub ran out. Every one still in plastic with that months demo disc. Those were the days. Print magazines and physical media.
They don't want to. That this is easily possible is shown by Digital Devolver often. They have kickass marketing and publish games for indies who don't sh-- on their fanbase. Big Corporate is the way it is because top level executives at these companies do want the big paychecks and do have a disdain for the peasantry buying their product or even making their product.
A wise business man finds customers who need and want them. Smart man. Love the content Thor. Really helping me understand the back office side of things much better as a consumer.
Not for me, as someone ins a better country that isn't complete trash (At least not yet) I am being punished by paying more than idiots in a poor country because they can't get their ***** together. He should be making the price the same across the board.
@@Shyhalumaking it the same across the board is an insane business model. It isn't like these people will be able to afford it and will pay that much and it is a digital asset so there isn't a specific amount needed to recoup manufacting and shipping costs. Lowering the cost opens it up to that market and ultimately makes the devs way more money
@@lovelypidgeon "is an insane business model." No it isn't. " It isn't like these people will be able to afford it and will pay that much" So give us all the discount.... " Lowering the cost opens it up to that market and ultimately makes the devs way more money" So. Give. Us. All. The. Discount. You're literally arguing against yourself now. Think before you speak please.
@@Shyhalu oh look i found a greed goblin, hope it didnt bite anyone it might be contagious. if there is still any human parts inside you, hear and listen, different countries have different currencies, different prices and different wages, stop thinking only about yourself the world is not just america
I just found this guy and I don’t know much about him but he’s beginning to be a favorite creator just based on this video alone. Video games aren’t just a mindless hobby, it’s a real and legitimate thing used for everything from coping skills to friend making to passionate involvement. Giving people access to something like that can literally create new and incredible opportunities for someone and this man did that. Good job making the world a little bit of a better place.
And it's 35% off the US price as well according to the short. Which is weird, because Australia arguably has greater PPP than the US. There is a psychological component for us though - it stinks to hear about a $10 game and find out it's $15 AUD because of exchange rates (because no one says USD).
@@blackjacktrialthat's on paper tbh. most people in Australia would think 15 bucks for a small game to be outrageous and consider there isn't as many people to sell it too he probably makes more money making it cheaper.
half of it is the gam prices being converted to aud. like it's not uncommon for tripla a to be like $100 dollars, which with the inflation making it harder to justify the price. games have always been pretty expensive here since the ps3
@gmatsue84 people who break the law typically dont have acess to things they need or want. Poverty and desperation is usually the cause of most all the crime you see.
@@annacobb1140 It's not. I have many rich friends who rob small convenience stores because it's easy. Thousands of corporate crimes are done every day for greed, self-promotion or reputation. People kill for honor, envy and anger. People cheat to get advantage, because they are bored or for the sake of it. People steal and fraud for to increase wealth. If you just spell out your own opinion as a fact with any coherent data behind it's just guessing. Poverty is sometimes the issue, sometimes not. Correlation is not causation either. It's a long way before you can push your ideology as facts.
and Brazil loves you back Thor
BR é uma praga kkk
Com certeza
we 100% do
WHY TGE FUCK ARE TOU TALKING ABOUT THOR?
True
This is what actually solving a problem for all parties involved looks like. Really impressed by the person I see here
not really, theres vpn
Also, why the f are the rest paying full price? Makes me want to pirate the game out of spite.
@@mikukene1998because we don’t have that economic problem
@@noot4041 doesnt matter maybe instead of playing games make your country better
Nothing to be impressed by here. Just another Blizzard hate dickrider that still holds their coattails to make $$$.
this guy randomly popped up on my shorts one day and now he's part of my life
He popped up in mine just yesterday and I’ve already seen him like 7 times when scrolling through the void. For what I’ve gathered from seeing him, he seems like a genius who also has a heart, and I love him for it.
@@pepper2951same
Same. I love his voice and his content
Lol same
To right I feel like he's gaming Justice
As an accountant, that is beautiful, poetic, and brilliant. Well done sir, hats off.
@@KGBookkeeping must be nice to be an Accountant that is beautiful, poetic and brilliant.
this is basic stuff
Genuine question, what does being an accountant have to do with this
Im a Brazilian game dev and gamer. Its great to see devs seeing the potential of the Brazilian market
God speed my Brazilian friend, may your endeavor prove fruitful
It's a huge market, we would be fools to not lower the price for local economy as indie devs.
honestly it was one of those huge markets waiting to be tapped and this kind of approach is super cool.
breazilians are super broke and stink
20 dollars is still 10% of a minimum wage here.(edit: wage is monthly here)
Imagine a full price. That's why piracy here is sky-high
There were three reasons I pirated games in the past.
1. I had no money
2. I had little money, the game had no demo and I wasn't sure if I want to actually play it.
3. It was an EA game
Pirating an EA game is always morally correct.
Aint nothing wrong with pirating EA.
Lmao 🤣 this is so accurate
Just add “it’s an old game that plays better pirated” and that’s my list
With the new game prices I'm thinking about pirating games once again, I'm not willing to pay 70€ for a short lived waste of time that isn't complete until I buy additional dlcs for 40€ each 😂
4. it’s stellaris
Love it. Understanding economics and benefitting from it while purely helping a group of people
Such is the beauty of a free market. Capitalism in its purest form.
Yeah something tells me not all those people are from Brasil. Still nice move.
@@leggoentertainment2947was thinking the same xD
@diavolojaegar4363the sad part is that his method generates him less profits than what the AAA games do.
This is why economics is far more of a social science
You understood both the Brazilian market potential and the difficulties we face. Bravo.
My brother always told me "If you Pirate something and enjoyed it, then find a way to financially support the creator in any way you can".
That's pretty much how I am now. If I have money on hand I'll buy the game if not I will pirate it but write it down to buy when it's possible
I did when Skyrim came out. I enjoyed the game so much I felt so bad for not paying and bought it immediately
Unless it's nintendo 😂
@@SemysticFr lmao
That's what I do. Russia is pretty similar to Brazil in this sense, people are poor including me, so I pirate most games, and then buy them if I enjoy them when I get money to do so. Also, I pirate the games that are no longer available to purchase here.
as a brazillian i can confirm this is true, games in brazil are expensive af, AAA games are usually 1/4 of the minimum wage of brazil
that's true for my country too :(
Minimum what? hourly, daily, weekly, monthly, yearly wage? What minimum?
@@markimonki4017 - In Brazil, we usually refer to our monthly salary. So yeah, a triple A game costs about 1/3 of your monthly income if you live on a minimal wage.
GOOD GOD i don't blame yall that sounds like an arm and a leg over time
@@TheHound. thats crazy
Nintendo: what language is this man speaking
Nintendo: Explain what deals mean...
😂😂😂😂🎯🎯🎯🎯🎯
He speaking facts
@@The_Reaper86 Nintendo's idea of a deal is being able to buy a game you owned 40 years ago that you paid $10 for and being able to buy it again today for $30
@YTDumpsterBaby for 30 ? Lol bruh most nintendo games that last like 10 hours are 80 bucks lol 😂
I just bought your game and soundtrack. I don’t even currently have a working computer and I might not ever play it but the fact that you understand pirates means a lot wish you the most success possible.
"3 purchases at 50% off is more money than 1 purchase at full price"
So many company execs would be so shocked at a matter of basic math.
Eh, most game launch sites like Steam get it, hence seasonal sales. It gives both profits of people wanting the game two months before the sales to buy it, and people who want to save money a opportunity to give more money to companies as well.
@@SOAVGamingyeah but then you get some game devs who absolutely refuse to put their game on sale
@@steveskeletonneii6336 Nintendo. that's why they are the primary target for Piracy.
the amount of times obama boss fight has been on sale at least 30% or more for a 3 dollar game is unreal
@@SOAVGaming Still you need to wait for sale and hope game will be on sale also even on sale many games are still vastly over what most of the world can afford. 60dollar game on 50% sale is good deal for you but for most of the world absolutely unaffordable. Now we can argue developing game cost ton of money, promotions, ads etc. yeah that right. But here the kicker and i take it to the extreme if they sell 60 dollar game for 1 dollar in lets say India or whatever that is still vastly more then if people don't buy game at all or pirate it. It better sell million copies for 1 dollar then 10 thousand for 60. If products are affordable piracy will die out because people want to own shit, not deal with viruses have updates and full access etc.
You know, hearing that it makes up basically 25% of studio revenue, it makes more sense why whenever games are localized to portuguese, it's always brazilian portuguese
@salty4life Brazil is also in the top 10 in both the world economy and population, so it's not that surprising
Brazil has a much higher population than Portugal (20x). The dialects are so different from each other, it really makes a difference which one you pick (unlike British vs American English). The Portuguese would literally rather play the game in English than in Brazilian Portuguese. They all speak English anyway since nobody dubs Hollywood movies into European Portuguese.
@@scottcloweYup, 100% the case, some of us (myself included) often prefer to play games/use software in english even when a european Portuguese option exists (its common for it to be badly translated, and if you already speak english you reduce the chance of stuff getting lost in translation)
@@scottclowe true
Even if it weren’t such a huge chunk of the studio’s revenue, it’s plainly obvious that Brazil is larger than Portugal. No need to look any further than that right there.
Piracy has done more for the industry than the industry will like to admit. Large majority of artists, programmers and developers were able to get into the field was because they had access to those software via piracy when they were young, me included.
I used to work for a leading OTT company in my country, that is also a company that is able to compete with foreign OTT services like Disney+ or Netflix in the ASEAN region. And i can confidently say, that out of the 350 employees only around 20 to 30 have legitimate software. The rest use pirated software or freeware either for copywriting, video editing, graphic design, coding, UI/UX, etc.
You definitely have a point about it being an unseen benefit, or at least an inevitable necessity of the industry. I mean talk to any programmer that has been coding on/tinkering with pcs since they were younger and they ALL pirate software. Getting into that world when I was a teen led to learning all about pirating all kinds of things.
Hell you don't even need to be a programmer, just someone who builds pcs and at some point a huge percentage of those people will end up installing a pirated windows OS or a crack for one until they can afford to pay for a legit copy/sometimes forever. That might be the only pirated software someone installs in their life but it has such an impact on what we know as the internet/online culture and the tech industry as a whole
@@DrSabot-A
I prefer pirated software for programs that I don't want to constantly update
That's why they stopped putting them in jail. Piracy is still free advertising.
Real life is so fascinatingly complex. I disagree with the practice but it's obviously had at least some positive effects
Man if big corporate studios could actually learn from this guy then the world would be a better more equitable place
honestly they could just read the literature on geographical price discrimination/regional pricing, like everyone else.
Most industries apply this...
It's so good to hear someone validate it that it's not just cause people are jerks. I come from a poor country (was poorer when I was a teen) and people pirated because we couldn't afford to buy games that were half our parents paychecks at the time. Now that things are better, I buy my games (even if pirating is still an option) because I like supporting the people that make them possible!
yea, I also think it sucks because a lot of the pirates I see online are just privileged people from America, because there aren't many international people on the servers I am on. (Usually there is always a Spanish discord for the game or something like that) I don't get to see Brazilians too often lol.
@@ashtinpeaks9972Piracy happens in every country. It's not just America
@@ashtinpeaks9972just because we are Americans don't mean we have money for games either
now games are still fucking expensive when we're young and still studying, it's ridiculous how expensive games are getting nowadays lmao, which is why people are taking advantage of refund policies etc.
@Yuwunahhh Depends where you live, Prices for games have honestly stayed the same for a long time. Hell they were 60$ for triple As the last 15 years and just recently went up to 70$ (at least here).
Indie games cheap af.
The key is that if you are young you dont get free stuff anyway. Examples are any elective activity you do. Sports, camping, collecting stuff, card games. I don't think young people can't afford is a good arguement imo.
Though to be noted that it's less likely parents support video games as a hobby, so they won't pay for it as much
Gabe Newell has famously said, "The easiest way to stop piracy is not by putting antipiracy technology to work. It's by giving those people a service that's better than what they're receiving from the pirates."
This still rings true to this very day.
Edit: Holy hell. Thanks for the 6.1k likes!
Too bad most companies don't get that and keep shoving performance ruining DRM in their games that only increase the incentive for piracy and only really hurt paying customers.
You define what "service" covers, but really a huge part of it is economics. Doesn't matter how good of a library and browser steam is, if people can't afford it, they'll pirate it and would probably be willing to go through the hassle of finding torrents and cracks.
Steam sales do count as "service" but it really still is all about economic ability.
I'll buy this game just because of this guy.
Well, valve made history in game development course, and latest developments like proton and steam decks are evolving gaming even more.
However, beside my love for valve, I guess it's really hard to make something better than free. Most people pirate out of the reason that the game is free.
Just try not to pirate too much, or do so on old products, not AAA products recently released
Gabe our king!
I just found this guy 20 minutes ago and I already love him. He knows how to do business.
Fr, only watched about 4 vids and already subbed to him, its incredible
who is he?@@Ninjamation345
I luv him for one reason the game has a demo now i can try the game and if i like it i can buy it...
I was thinking the same thing. Understanding people are not bad. Just because we don’t have financial resources. I use to pirate games as a kid had zero money as an adult I went back and purchased many of the games I played, and if they had sequels if piracy was banned, I would’ve never purchased any of it
yea, doing business with VPN users.. change your region to brazil, save some money.
and this guy thinks its real brazilians buying his product, then you come and believe this shoot. weird world.
Argentinian here, I f****** love you dude. Thank you for your service
I remember seeing a tweet of someone saying they love pirating indie games, and it was them downloading the files to ultrakill. Hakita, the lead developer/ creator of ultrakill, responded by saying “if you can’t support a game with funds you can support it with words, and telling people you played it and your opinions on it, *Ultrakill is a project meant to be enjoyed by anyone, regardless of their social class or economic status,* thank you for playing my game.” Absolute legend of a developer.
dad?
@@user-bl8jc4hr3y son I promise I’ll be back soon, they didn’t have milk at the store so i have to go find a cow somewhere
and then the same dude posted "i love legally owning indie games" with ultrakill on his steam library
"Culture shouldnt be limited to those who cant afford it" is another quote by hakita, or at least he said something similar
Darwood did something similar
When I was younger I remember talking with a group of young Brazilians that were buying Xboxes and Playstations. And knowing how hard and expensive those are to ship, I asked them why they would get them here, in the US. The young man literally said it was *cheaper to fly to the US, buy the Console and *send it home via airmail* then it was to buy it in Brazil. Awesome of Thor to recognize this and hook Brazil up.
When i was a teenager people used to go to paraguay to buy consoles, smartphones and hardware. They still do, but the price difference was way bigger back then
That still is very much the case with every release of a new console for us Brazilians.
I dont think its like this anymore for consoles, but people still do it for iPhones and other electronics. The newer iPhones with something like 256-512GB can go up to 9-11 minimum wages, while flying to the US and buying it its like 7-9 depending on the season and you can spend some days as a tourist in another country
Reminds me of a "Pharmaceutical Tourism" company from the US that would buy plane tickets for people to fly to San Diego, bus them across the Mexican border, and give them prescription drugs in Mexico because that was cheaper than buying and administering the drugs in the US.
Taxes are hell in Brazil, you almost pay double for anything technology related.
I'm Brazilian and I confirm this. I ALWAYS pirated games when I was younger and didn't have any money... Buying a game was just nonsense.... Nowadays it's even worse, the triple A games are worth R$ 200 - R$ 300, that's like 20% of a MONTH worth of minimum full time work pay.... Anyways now I have more games that I can play and all bought via Steam... I will never pirate again, but only because I can afford it. If I couldn't, I'd be a pirate again.
as an American i say do it anyway. Black Ops 2 is still $60. ain’t no motha fuckin way i was buying it
Você tem IG? Não se como piratar e sou pobre. Mais eu falo portugues e me gostaría jugar enquanto falando portugues com brasileiros.
@TJayMid that's Activision for ya😂
@@TJayMid different target, different tactic 🤣
The thing about american is, you don't care abt how much it is, as long as you get what you want. So? Microtransaction, insane price markup, so on so on. Is it industry fault? No, industry are alike to its consumer just like mirror, capitalism works well with hedonism.
@@t_t9964 now thats true, they care of themselves...
The only person I know of who treats different people fair by treating them different :D
"From each according to their ability, to each according to their needs."
Chad game dev understands the grey nature of piracy. Love this man.😊
@@v1sudo Pirated perhaps then?
@@v1sudocopied
@@v1sudo brother its not like hes reading a reddit post for views, hes talking about how he applied that information to his game that he made like be for real.
@@v1sudo What are you even talking about? Nobody was saying anything anti-piracy.
@@v1sudo no need to be weird about it bro
Brazil is a wellspring of people ready to either love you or hate you for the rest of their lives.
To be fair they dont ask much, just that you love Brazil
@@ElectricJelly03it’s literally as easy as “Brazil rise up, i love you guys”. over the years i’ve learned that Brazil is the most lowkey countries that has incredible internet culture
I remember meeting a Brazilian on Google plus. He was unironically obsessed with nazism...
As a Brazilian I can confirm that is true. May I ask you Americans a question, why do you guys eat so much fast-food ? Sorry if I made mistakes in my English and if it sounded rude let me ask for pardon
@@witherblade7558 There are different areas in the country where food is more valued as a thing of cultural pride, but for many average americans, high quality food is seen as a luxury and we try to put the money towards more fun luxuries like electronics or hobbies instead
Exactly. Games were always so expensive here in Brazil, back in the 90's we even barely had access to the games, you couldn't find legit games anywhere.
When my mom and I would go to Brazil we would always bring my old games and consoles for my cousins to keep because of this :(
and it continued during the PS2 era too, i'm a 2003 kid, and had around 1 game a year, the rest was pirated. We literally learned how to unlock consoles so we could play it back then.
It is so weird to me seeing companies pushing this EXTREME pricing into us.
I used to watch a lot of bootleg game/console video and Brazil woukd be mentiom every dozen or so videos.
@@Malam_NightYoru not just companies. games were taxed as electronic goods (like a pc, and i don't need to tell you what pc parts cost here) until very recently iirc. idk if the tax changes have gone in effect yet, but you can bet it won't change anything because companies will jack up the price to remain the same and give them More Profits... when it'd probably be more profitable for them to lower it, but you can't ask a big game company's CEO to have a brain not addled by greed
Youre great man, we need more people like you, props for being so humble ❤
This dude has a knack for being able to cut around the symptoms and identify the problem very quickly.
The problem with his solution is that it doesn’t exactly mean 25% of those sales are actually Brazilian. VPNs are often used to adjust currency conversions
@@mobilegameclips5628 But then wouldn't they use the Argentine Peso instead? It's $2.18 compared to $4
@@mobilegameclips5628 No you cant claim a key or play the game if its bought in brazil unless you are always connected to a brazilian ip and you would more than likely need windows setup under a brazilian ip
@@mobilegameclips5628Steam has an anti-VPN system. You cant just change country, buy the game in foreign currency for a fraction of its price and turn the VPN off. It doesn’t work.
@@mobilegameclips5628 Except Steam anticipates this and makes it a real hassle to switch your locale. Most people aren’t going to risk the banhammer for a deal they can get in an upcoming Steam sale.
The key to good marketing is affordable prices.
Remember the 4 P's in marketing. Product, Place, Price, Promotion.
Pmoney, Pscam, Psteal, Pfuck Pcustomer
Failure on any of those four results in one or the other of the 5th and 6th Ps: Piss-Poor results, or Piracy.
Marketing mix*
Pen Island People Pedantic Play
Especially when paying is really just a choice at the end of the day lol
Dude thank you. Cheapest game in turkey is like 900 liras (cheap ones). A bottle of water is 3 liras. So a game costs about 300 bottles of water in turkey. It's really hard to buy games in here thank you for localisation.
Dude, the video says 100 liras in turkey
@@MarcosLopez-ky5yg i didnt said anything about it being expensive. Turks no longer have try (turkish lira) to buy games in steam we buy with usd, 100 liras or I think it is 5 usd which is 150 liras is like really cheap for a game.
For 3 lira you get 478 litres of drinkable water in my country. So Games cost 32258 litres of water. So you got cheap games compared to my country.
@@iGMAS in which fucking world does another nation that rich uses liras?
@@Idonothingwrong No other is just for comparison
I’m not a gamer, but I have mad respect for you.
That's amazing. Brazil is not small by any means, but the fact that a company can have a quarter of the profits come from a hugely discounted game that's sold in a country outside of their own is amazing
There's one more factor in the equation: we have a VERY powerful gaming culture. Everyone, from poor middle-aged construction workers to very young rich kids play videogames, it's one of our main sources of entertainment. It's kinda wild. None of the countries I've lived in are like this, not to this level
@@znth-gameworksyup even my very family coming from a ranching background enjoy gaming. The only difference compared to us here in the US is the economic differences and how people maximize their spendings, ie what games they may choose or even what consoles/builds they’ll have access to. It’s not that people have no ethics when they pirate, it’s just that spending 60 USD on every single game is absolutely impossible. Here in the states we may still opt to to save more money or for other purchases, there they simply don’t have that money in the first place.
@@raphaelpralong126 I understand the gaming culture of both countries and you gotta trust me on this one: Brazil is CRAZY when it comes to loving videogames. Of course people in the US love games, but BR gaming culture is some next level shit.
A good example of that is the fact that even with some gaming hardware having 92% tax over the original price, effectively costing 2 to 3 times what it costs in the US we still find ways to get it.
If you're interested in learning about how crazy we are about games I recommend you research how our economic and cultural proximity to Japan turned 90's Brazil into gaming paradise for some time.
Cheers
Being loved by Brazilians is the best thing that can happen to a creator of any kind. Awesome people who really support what they support. No half effort.
@@znth-gameworks I'm suprised people don't try to bring/smuggle parts in and where they can get a profit
I was a VERY poor student for 7 yesrs.
I have retroactively gone back and bought every game that i... Acquired.... During that time.
I have also tried to support smaller devs when i was able.
Do i feel bad that i had somewhat covertly obtained those games? Not really. Do i want to support those devs to be able to have good lives and feel the love from their community? Hell yeah
I did the same. The only sad part of it is that the steam stat shows no one the hundreds of hours i had in those games.
@@imjustapotatoleavemealoneStats is one thing, but those memories and experiences will always be in your heart somewhere.
FTL, Big Pharma, Cuphead, there were quite a few I "came across" that I later purchased. I agree with your stance and understand your experience
Devs need the most support at launch. Supporting them later could be too late.
@@AfutureV well I didn't have any money at launch, so like the old saying goes "you can't take blood from a stone"
This man is a genius for understanding that by making the price affordable, people will actually buy the game.
It's the basis for Steam's and Netflix's early success: people don't mind paying a small fee for convenience. How far we've come.
It's nothing genius. He is just not greedy. It's really sad how low the bar is nowadays
Yeah, it's almost like it's a better idea that not being able to sell it to them at all.
It's reverse Games Workshop tactics
@@PerfectionHunter Dear God, don't we all know. They act like plastic is some previous resource on par with gold or something.
Brazil is top 3 with the number of people on the internet, so this is brilliant and yes, the game potential in Brazil is huge
More companies need to learn that pricing things appropriately for the target demographic actually increases overall revenue. It's very surprising they dont know this.
Thankyou Thor for leading the charge
exactly making it affordable for that region would make them much bigger
almost every game on steam is like the system they said in the video.
companies do know this. they just don't do it because overpricing something leads to more short-term profitability from the people who can afford it or have been heavily looking forward to it.
Not trying to defend corporations but I would assume this is much easier said than done. There are things I would never buy even if I had a ridiculous surplus of money. Yet companies or brands like Versace and Gucci are still flourishing.
Or if we're talking video games, then CoD still makes a good profit despite huge backlash and reused content.
They do know they could do this, but they also know that it's not actually possible for many products, and it often doesn't actually increase your net revenue because it doesn't pay for itself.
Man. Im brazillian and i thank you to respect us like that.
I'm from Brazil, Indiana. We got a fountain in one of our parks from Brazil, South America
'ey y'all are humans too, man.
@@Khornecussion Hey what are you doing not on Mars right now? Don't have cool stuff to make for the Imperial?
@@cameronvanatti There's also a Lafayette Indiana and Paris Illinois and they both got NOTHING there. Ask me how I know! 🤣
@@OtherAlissaG I know what Paris IL is the namesake of but Lafayette?
Sometimes it’s an issue of convenience. That’s why a lot of people stopped pirating movies and such when Netflix came.
Absolutely, Australia has/had a reputation for internet piracy for TV shows due to a lack of access: we used to get shows months late, if at all. Legal methods were expensive and you didn't get the show at the same time as the US/EU
Services improved with streaming and now piracy is much reduced, though I expect it to pick up a bit with the fragmentation and increased monetisation of streaming platforms
And then started again when Netflix became $15/mo
@@yesthatpaul On top of getting much shittier.
And now that every studio stopped licensing to Netflix because they want you to also sub to their own streaming service, piracy is back. Who could have predicted.
@@yesthatpaulAnd when the market grew and films and shows became redistributed over a dozen different services.
As a brazilian pirate, can confirm! If all game companies did this they would have so much more money, it would be kinda insane
We here in Brazil really appreciate people like you. I stopped purchasing games made by Sega since they turned off regional prices for most of their games and they skyrocketed in price due to that. You, on the other hand, care about people in other regions who can't afford games due to them being expensive. You are a legend, much love from Brazil! 🇧🇷 ❤
But regional pricing is normal
@@prototypechannel6975dumbass
@@prototypechannel6975 Well, they turned off buddy, Bandai Namco as well, so the games like Dark Souls 1,2,3 and sekiro are more expensive now then when it released...
Have you considered not being poor rather than stealing
@@apollo1694 I'd rather shit in a tuba
As an Argentinian, our prices just got F'd because Valve decided to switch from ARS to USD, so we are "paying" full price for games, plus we pay a shitload of taxes (100%!!!). Like, new AAA games basically cost the same or more than I can make in a month. So I hope this is heard by devs around the world before we return to pirates lmfao.
EDIT: Just wanted to address a couple of things people are commenting on this thread (?). First, to all other poor countries with either high taxes or terrible prices, please, we are on this together, this is not a fight for who’s poorer lmfao. Secondly, to all dumb people arguing in favour the current government, F YOU. Unregulated cpitalism and anti-consumerism is what ruins it for us 3rd worlders, we can't fix anything through free market bs.
Oof...
They should have made it so if you have an argentinian card it still gives you localised pricing. Its due to people using this and then reselling online why they made this change
Update from a fellow Argentinian it is now 155%(!!!!1?2???) of taxes ☠️☠️
@@345planet thats just insane!
@@345planet It's specifically a video game tax? What's the tax if you buy crypto? Devs don't necessarily need USD; we can write bots to convert it as soon as it's received. Some may even *cough* charge less if you paid that way.
Hey brazillian here! This is so true that most brazillian gamers actually condemn piracy of indie games, which are usually the most afordable ones, to the point that I saw many guys being kicked out of groups/servers bc they didn't own the game legit
I am a brazilians, and I love and agree every single word he said
Yeah at it's core gamers that pirates games aren't usually jerks.
They are just people that just want to have fun.
"You shouldn't be too poor to have fun"
Needs to be heard
Feels like you didn't watch the video. People in Brazil pirate because the alternative doesn't work. Someone pirating from an affluent country whole doing fine themselves does not have an excuse.
@@20storiesunderthere are poor people in other countries lmao
@@grenadanotthecountry While doing fine themselves*
Learn to read
@@20storiesunder Feels like you didn't read his comment. Not sure where he says that "people doing fine themselves" have an excuse to pirate games. He actually said pretty much the opposite: poverty shouldn't prevent people from having fun.
You clearly do know how to read, so I won't patronizingly insist you learn how. But reading comprehension, and more charitable interpretation of others' words, could probably use a little improvement.
@@zvexevz"someone pirating from an affluent country while doing fine themselves does not have an excuse" was what they said. all 3 of you are arguing completely seperate points.
I love this. Some great insight into what people actually wanna see from games
Brazillian girl speaking here, and god you're right! I even feel bad for doing piracy but if i don't, i wouldn't be able to play a lot of things i played until now. Seeing someone that really understands that and does something about it, is a real sign of care for us, and i think i can speak for all of us that it means a lot bro
Don't feel bad, piracy isn't wrong, what's wrong is asking $70 dollars to brazilians for games, especially considering how many games come out unfinished now.
@@PeachDragon_right? And 70 bucks is like 420 reais. Minimum wage is like 5 per hour.
@@CiciChessthe triples AAAs ARE usually 350 when they come but it IS still overpriced
@@rafaelkreling8443 OH TRUE I'm sorry I live in Europe so I confuse dollars w euros a lot
@@CiciChessOh my gosh that is so much more disproportionate than I thought it would be. At that rate, closer to 86% discount would be proportionately fair.
This is why you support PirateSoftware :) Because he is more than just a dev.
If this guy makes it as a game studio, I will learn game design just to go work for him.
You could probably learn it from him and be a sick cunt at it
Just because you like him, doesn’t mean he won’t boot you. The gaming industry is cutthroat everywhere, and the end of the day, if the company doesn’t make a profit, non top level employees always get booted. Be a game designer, but be ready for the reality of the situation.
It's funny how making shit more affordable promotes lawful purchase. Weird.
bro, we usually stop buying when the price is much higher than normal and we let the game die here in Brazil until some dev takes some action regarding the price, but there are always some individuals who prefer to pirate the game rather than not consuming the game game that is expensive
@@pedrunscwhy not sail the high seas and give these tyrannical corporations the finger simultaneously, instead of paying an arbitrary tax when you don’t have to? I’d pirate every game if it was as feasible as it used to be.
@@XanViciousit is? You get more value than ever with your purchases. You still live in the 1990s in your brain when Nintendo games were 70 dollars lmao ☠️
As a Brazilian I ask to reformulate your sentence, as it is incoherent @@pedrunsc
Well, if you needed to pay 5x the price of something, and you know it doesnt worth that much at all, you would pirate as hell.
I live in the U.S and am also Brazilian. The thought this man has for his fans and supporters are inspiring and so smart. You have gained another fan
My Brazilian friend would probably love your work tbh
I'm not from Brazil and I still love you. At last, one person that understands that selling games everywhere at "the same price" just calculated locally according to currency rates doesn't work. We need more non-greedy devs like you. Piracy would plummet hard.
Isn't that what he's doing, essentially? To the purchasing power, I mean. $10, generally speaking, is about an hour's worth of labor for most of the US. From what I'm reading, the median hourly rate in brazil is equivalent to $3.09... so, he made it approximately worth one hour's worth of labor
Idk, that method just makes sense to me. Sell it at a price scaled to their means
@@stevenn1940 Everything you said is wrong.
@@FredMaverik alright? How so? If you don't explain, you're just a heckler who should be disregarded entirely.
@@stevenn1940knowledge is often silent. that said, i’d like to know what they mean, too.
@@stevenn1940what the OP is saying is that they are selling the game for $10 internationally, but converted into the country's currency without factoring their economy. $1 is 4.85 Brazilian Real as of current exchange rate (from a quick google). So in today's money, this game is 48.50 BRL before any discounts ($10 x 4.85 BRL/$). I'm not from Brazil, nor do I know anything about their economy, but let's say hypothetically, to make that much in Brazil may take 4 hours of work to accumulate in BRL. Where as in the USA, $10/hr jobs are much more abundant and you make the value of the game in less time.
When factoring in Brazil's economy, making the game around $4 would make the cost 19.40 BRL, reducing hours of work needed to make the cost of the game.
Hope this makes things a bit more clear!
It’s worth noting that right after this he also said, steam has things in place to keep you from getting a vpn that makes your computer say it’s from Brazil and buying the game at Brazil price
For anyone interested in the mechanism, Steam requires you to buy something with a card from that country for you to get that country's store prices, and you can't change it for like 3 months.
So you can't just VPN into a purchase since your card will still be from your country, and if you get one card from that country you are locked into that country for a while, so no flash buying then going back to your country.
I mean ok but this doesn't stop grey markets, so ok nice you can't do it yourself but don't worry other site will always do it for you
@@NeofoxieSteam Keys are region locked
Only people that live in South America can buy games at the Brazil price
All I say is I know people with multiple steam accounts just to buy games in other countries' currencies. Simply get access to an account that uses that currency, log in, purchase the game you want and start to play. Pretty easy.
@@Daemonweave hm interesting
True. Piracy was wide-spreaded in Poland two decades ago. I remember to pirate a ton of games. Now I buy like 20-30 games a year lol
Though with how our currency and economy has been faring compared to the rest of EU, and us having to have prices equal to those in the EU because of our membership, I'm expecting for a rise in peer-to-peer traffic. Not that our ISP's care anyway. :)
It's still expensive compared to what people make in the EU, it's just that there's a lot more options now (indie games) and well, now I'm an adult with money so I can afford it.
This dude is the most grounded and sensical person I’ve ever heard speak. It’s ridiculous that on average people aren’t this smart
Triple A games can be as expensive as 1/3 of minimum wage here, you are a legend mate
I especially like the message of humans that this sends as well. People *want* to buy the game legitimately. They want to own it, want to enjoy it, and want to support the developer. Most people who pirate just simply can't afford it because the world's economy is so diverse. I have so much appreciation for you doing the things you're doing
Very true, though "diverse" isn't the first word I'd use to describe the hugely unequal distribution of wealth globally. Almost sounds like a euphemism the World Bank would think up, like "economic growth is positive, though problems remain in countries with diverse income generating opportunities." I know you didn't mean it that way, but language is important. Like how the term "developing countries" made it so panellists at Davos could look like they cared about global poverty without having to actually mention that scary word.
same here is egypt, we either can't afford games or can't afford to live the rest of the month if we buy those games
@@cold8677 حصل والله
حصل
Vpn to brazil
@@elster2048 after calculations it should be around 200egp if you did that, expensive but affordable, it can buy some groceries but not for the month
@@elster2048 1 brazilian real is about 9 egyptian pounds atm, i'm not sure about the game prices in brazil region if they were cheaper or not but i guess i would still be quite expensive either way
People who switch their location to Brazil for the discount 🌚
Bro, I'm from Brazil, and this is so true, the games here are incredibly expensive, you are a legend.
People from Brazil , you are in a really good place compared to us , because I'm an Iranian who can't even try to afford a game ,not only because it's so expensive and unaffordable , we are not even able to pay it , our existence is completely denied in Steam or any other online Markets.
@@rndmname123 so sorry to hear that
This dude has good business sense. Recognising the obstacles in your target customers and responding accordingly
The fact that you can permanently Make a product 60% cheaper and still make a profit is really saying something
You can make a game $0.01 and still make a profit. Doesn't mean the profit will be worth the time. @@komodokisaragi9398
@@komodokisaragi9398exactly lol so basically he’s just fcking us because he can is what I heard
@@William.H.Bonney1why would he make it permanently cheaper for us when the average American or European can actually afford it from a single minimum wage paycheck? and if you like the game it should be roughly worth that value too
@@William.H.Bonney1a burger you eat in 5 minutes costs $10 nowadays. Big ass reach to say he’s fucking you for charging $10 for a game you’ll spend hours on lmao
This is absolutely true. When I was a student and poor I pirated loads of games, and whilst some people will say that's stealing, I couldn't have bought the game anyway so no revenue was lost from me pirating, they weren't getting any money from me anyway.
Once I had a job I went back and bought all the games I'd pirated.
same. i gives me a peace of mind that i now officially own all the games i love.
I did the exact same thing with the same reasoning.
and when I got a small summer job I spent most of my money rebuying games I pirated, starting with the more indie games (which I always felt guilty for pirating).
I might not be able to pay them, but you sure as hell know I recommended those indie games to all my friends.
Seeing the prices showed, it’s really fair. Honestly so kind.
Thank you much for supporting your fellow gamers. This brought a smile to me after such a long year of scoundrels. You are too pure, thank you
Pirating games that are no longer in production is also totally valid.
It's not piracy, it's open source! :D
Yea availability is what got me to pirate Mother 3.
@@handgun559I think openly admitting to a crime isn’t a good idea
@@MnDogman as i say "i will never pirate movies, games, songs, or software... unless its nintendo. cuz fuck nintendo"
@@MnDogman do you think... ANYONE is gonna come after me for pirating a game no one makes money off of anymore, and which was never commercially available in the first place?
I may as well have bought it second hand, because that's the only way I'd have ever got it. My money was never making it back to Nintendo on this one, DESPITE the communities best efforts to get a port.
I'm a Brazilian gamer and your channel alone has convinced me to buy your game. I've never seen it or heard of it before and it looks really fun, can't wait to play it :)
That's really smart. When I lived in Brazil I noticed most of the consoles people used were usually a generation behind whatever we use in the U.S. because of cost. So it makes perfect sense why you did this approach for such a massive video game market.
Dude, as a brazillian, you almost made me shed a tear, it's so refreshing to hear a company take this into account.
I hope you have massive success with your games man, you understand gamers, thank you!!
EDIT: Dang, over 2000 likes D:
From South Africa, also loved hearing his view on this
The problem why a lot of video game companies won't do this is because people in rich countries will just use a VPN and buy games from the cheapest country
@@SammySlam Yeah it depends on the price. Heartbound can do this because its a 10 dollar game. Setting up a VPN to only pay 4 on a 10 dollar game is too much trouble. However at a 70 dollar game, paying 20 to 30 now the VPN sounds a lot more enticing.
@@SammySlam I honestly don't think that is as common as you might believe. A majority of people simply would never think to do that, and many others just wouldn't. I think the world of people who would think to go through VPN is pretty low to the overall purchasing population. Assuming the game itself is not trying to milk every penny out of you. If it is like Diablo Immortal, people will find any loophole they can.
Only a Brazilian deals in absolutes
as a brazilian gamer this gets in my heart and gets me emotional, people that see and understand our situation is amazing, thanks alot
Randomly I was just watching shorts and he shows up, he is a dev that is what should be standard in the gaming world.
I pirate games because Ubisoft said I should get comfortable not owning the things I buy. I responded by telling developers that they should be comfortable when I don't buy their games and still get access to it. If buying isn't owning, piracy isn't stealing
Every studio needs this guy or at least just listen to his ideas and give credit when due
As a Turkish person i can relate
As growing up we couldnt buy games through steam due to USD etc we always had to pirate it. After steam started using Turkish Lira i started to buy games even though i could pirate it to support the devs.
yeah but that is going to change for turkey and argentina and we're going to have to buy in USD from the 20th 😔
i bought a ton of games from my wishlist bc from the 20th onwards i'll only be able to if they're 80% off lmao
@@yosholauand that 80% off will become a 40% off because of taxes
Shoutout to Tolga Ay, a Turkish dev who's made some of my favorite platforming games, Remnants of Naezith and Dreamswing.
As an Aussie who had his games go from $70 to $110 I wish this was more widespread.
As an Aussie you should be getting control over your government, the increased prices there aren't due to currency price differences like it would be for countries like Brazil. It's due to your government adding extra taxes and having the tax be included in the price of the product. But as an Aussie you should know that too.
@@LordAnorak not just that, but it's also a remnant from the days of Physical Copies which added quite a bit of shipping costs, sadly now that's gone the companies still stick that "Cost" into their own pockets instead because people will buy it anyway at those costs...
My man, you are NOT the underdeveloped economy in need of localized prices.
@@CodaMission no they're the economy on the edge of nowhere being milked for non-existing shipping costs when it comes to gaming,
Nobody should have 110 dollars as their base price for games, especially when the rest of the world pays Less for it
As a kiwi I couldn't agree more. The Antipodean Tax we pay for everything is beyond ridiculous, and often justified by suits because "it's more expensive to live there so we have to charge more so our employees can eat." I call BS.
It's crazy how transparency trumps greed.
Have not heard of the game nor the studio until now, but after this I'm buying whatever you put out there. As a brazilian and fellow game dev, this is the way that I say thank you, you're in a good path
The Brazilian market is actually huge, most of our male population loves gaming, but most of the time we feel like the developers are just giving us a huge middle finger with those impossible prices, specially Nintendo
$4 out of $10 is more than $0 out of $10
If you still do it when you can afford to buy, you're nothing more than a leech, a parasite. There are good reasons to pirate, but they are very specific. Not many can allow themselves to give away their time and effort for free. Be thankful to those who pay the creators, so that we can all indulge ourselves.
Devs get support via money is the whole thing. Instead of getting pirated
So he lowers the price dramatically so that people can still get a game they enjoy.. and your response is “well it’s not free.” I dead ass would absolutely LOVE to watch you build a game for over 100 hours equal to his than see if you hand it out for free.
@SirLoafin bro chill. Im.just stating a fact.
If the price is $10, it's better to manually lower the price to $4 than have pirates steal it and give you nothing
@@leoritchie9635so I see along with being an asshole you're also illiterate or you just don't seem to like to listen because what he said was as a means to prevent piracy for the general population who otherwise wouldn't potentially be able to afford the game it is realistically $4 for Brazilian purchasers even if it's technically listed at 60% off of $10
Here I'll give you the short of it because it's obvious you don't like to read: Brazilian purchasers only need to pay $4 straight up
Every time i watch anything from Thor i find myself agreeing with every word or learning from him.
Absolutely love is the fact that most PC gamers who pirate games end up buying the damn thing anyway and it's simply because they stopped making demos. Cool thing about demos back in the day is that they were a finished product because they wanted you to buy the game.
Yep
Well, part of a finished product, and I distinctly remember many instances of the main game differing from the demo because demos are usually earlier builds.
Many games still have demos btw, you can find them on Steam extremely easily.
Lol, I have a box full of old pc gamer mags in storage my pops would get in the mail. After he passed i just chucked them in the box until the sub ran out. Every one still in plastic with that months demo disc. Those were the days. Print magazines and physical media.
Nintendo having an aneurism.
This man knows how to charm a whole nation, and i'm all here for it! Much love from Brasil irmão
This man is literally a vigilante for gamers
"Brazilians in my chat rise up!"
Oh here i am and shall stay
There are some top level people in the industry that really need to see how Thor treats his playerbase.
They should take notes.
They don't want to.
That this is easily possible is shown by Digital Devolver often. They have kickass marketing and publish games for indies who don't sh-- on their fanbase.
Big Corporate is the way it is because top level executives at these companies do want the big paychecks and do have a disdain for the peasantry buying their product or even making their product.
Bro thank you, I don’t even know the game but being treated as a human being it’s so good, this was so wholesome. Thanks !
Damn dude that's awesome. Same here in Bulgaria. Wish more studios could do this
A wise business man finds customers who need and want them. Smart man. Love the content Thor. Really helping me understand the back office side of things much better as a consumer.
Another reason why I like watching him. He just a good guy.
Faço questão de adquirir o jogo original para apoia-los no projeto. Muito obrigado, a comunidade Brasileira agradece pela iniciativa!
Pague seus impostos que o Taxadd quer mais contribuição
I just bought your game because of this video. Thank you for being so wholesome
Perfect definition of a “win-win” situation.
Not for me, as someone ins a better country that isn't complete trash (At least not yet) I am being punished by paying more than idiots in a poor country because they can't get their ***** together.
He should be making the price the same across the board.
@@Shyhalumaking it the same across the board is an insane business model. It isn't like these people will be able to afford it and will pay that much and it is a digital asset so there isn't a specific amount needed to recoup manufacting and shipping costs. Lowering the cost opens it up to that market and ultimately makes the devs way more money
@@lovelypidgeon "is an insane business model."
No it isn't.
" It isn't like these people will be able to afford it and will pay that much"
So give us all the discount....
" Lowering the cost opens it up to that market and ultimately makes the devs way more money"
So. Give. Us. All. The. Discount.
You're literally arguing against yourself now.
Think before you speak please.
@@Shyhaluyes its my fault for being born in brazil. we single handedly robbed this man of 6 dollars
@@Shyhalu oh look i found a greed goblin, hope it didnt bite anyone it might be contagious.
if there is still any human parts inside you, hear and listen, different countries have different currencies, different prices and different wages, stop thinking only about yourself the world is not just america
I just found this guy and I don’t know much about him but he’s beginning to be a favorite creator just based on this video alone. Video games aren’t just a mindless hobby, it’s a real and legitimate thing used for everything from coping skills to friend making to passionate involvement. Giving people access to something like that can literally create new and incredible opportunities for someone and this man did that. Good job making the world a little bit of a better place.
Australia is up there for piracy, mainly because we don't have access to many shows and movies through any legal source (not so much games anymore)
And it's 35% off the US price as well according to the short. Which is weird, because Australia arguably has greater PPP than the US. There is a psychological component for us though - it stinks to hear about a $10 game and find out it's $15 AUD because of exchange rates (because no one says USD).
Yeah I pirated stuff as a kid because we were poor af. Since then paid for most games I pirated I think
@@blackjacktrialthat's on paper tbh. most people in Australia would think 15 bucks for a small game to be outrageous and consider there isn't as many people to sell it too he probably makes more money making it cheaper.
half of it is the gam prices being converted to aud. like it's not uncommon for tripla a to be like $100 dollars, which with the inflation making it harder to justify the price. games have always been pretty expensive here since the ps3
Also you guys censor the absolute shit out everything video game. Same with Germany.
Love this guy's voice.
"piracy is generally an issue of economic"
Finally someone said it
gabe Newell said it before, and that's why Steam is generally good.
@@lagg1eGabe certainly didn't, he Saif "Piracy is a service issue, not a price issue".
@@Levitz9 which can be interpreted as "piracy is an economic problem" so what's your point?
@@Not_interestEd- no. Gaben was explicitly talking about making buying a game more convenient than pirating it.
@@lagg1e and then proceeded to delocalise prices in Turkey and Argentina, the two countries that need localisation the most, alongside others :(
Im so glad to hear SOMEBODY saying this. People fail to understand that most crime is committed because of factors that are easy to figure
I don't think anyone fails to understand that people steal things to have them, pirate to avoid paying and cheat to succeed
@gmatsue84 people who break the law typically dont have acess to things they need or want. Poverty and desperation is usually the cause of most all the crime you see.
@@annacobb1140 It's not. I have many rich friends who rob small convenience stores because it's easy. Thousands of corporate crimes are done every day for greed, self-promotion or reputation. People kill for honor, envy and anger. People cheat to get advantage, because they are bored or for the sake of it. People steal and fraud for to increase wealth. If you just spell out your own opinion as a fact with any coherent data behind it's just guessing. Poverty is sometimes the issue, sometimes not. Correlation is not causation either. It's a long way before you can push your ideology as facts.
Love from Brazil to Thor. Here you're very very famous and most people already have seen your shorts. Thank you for being an amazing guy!
Thor genuinely deserves so much, inspiring role model of the community