I actually never realized that was the reason for Sceptile’s high special attack and low attack, but it makes so much sense now… I always thought it should be a physical attacker.
Can we get a math solution to the tier list for when there are wild differences? S=5 A=4 B=3 C=2 D=1 F=0 Add your numbers together and divide by 3. Then we will always have the exact number and if it's .5 or higher you round up and if it's lower you round down.
The Hoenn nostalgia with the anime does affect my judgement on these Pokémon, I agree with Lumi. AG Supremacy! Dusty wanting to put Dusclops in S is understandable, he was a nice boss in the Pinball game. Love your takes here! Soul, you gonna play the original RSE. If not for Wynaut and Azurill, this could've been pre-Unova with 135 new mons!
Ken Sugimori said in an interview that while in gen 2 he was pushed by the company to create more cute and round design in order to sell merchandise, for gen 3 he couldn't have it and this time replied differently to the same pressure: "Screw it, I'm going to take full liberty". The result was, for me, the best gen across-the-board in terms of monster design. I might as well do my own list: Top 3: Milotic, Groudon, Kyogre S: Mudkip, Lotad, Seedot, Skitty, Cacturne, Feebas, Registeel, Jirachi A: Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Swampert, Poochyena, Zigzagoon, Ludicolo, Shiftry, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Shedinja, Sableye, Mawile, Wailmer, Wailord, Cacnea, Claydol, Cradily, Duskull, Dusclops, Regirock, Regice, Latias, Latios, Rayquaza, Deoxys B: Torchic, Blaziken, Mightyena, Wurmple, Beautifly, Lombre, Nuzleaf, Swellow, Wingull, Pelipper, Whismur, Aggron, Roselia, Gulpin, Camerupt, Trapinch, Lunatone, Solrock, Crawdaunt, Lileep, Anorith, Armaldo, Shuppet, Banette, Tropius, Relicanth, Huntail, Gorebyss, Metagross, Salamence C: Mightyena, Linoone, Dustox, Taillow, Surskit, Masquerain, Breloom, Slakoth, Vigoroth, Slaking, Nincada, Ninjask, Makuhita, Hariyama, Nosepass, Delcatty, Aron, Plusle, Minun, Swalot, Carvanha, Sharpedo, Numel, Torkoal, Spinda, Flygon, Swablu, Altaria, Barboach, Whiscash, Corphish, Kecleon, Chimecho, Snorunt, Glalie, Spheal, Luvdisc, Bagon, Shelgon, Beldum, Meltang, Baltoy D: Marshtomp, Combusken, Silcoon, Cascoon, Shroomish, Loudred, Exploud, Lairon, Meditite, Medicham, Electrike, Manectric, Volbeat, Illumise, Spoink, Grumpig, Zangoose, Seviper, Vibrava, Castform, Absol, Sealeo, Walrein, Clamperl F: Azurill, Castform (forms), Wynaut
Vigoroth, Wailmer, Tropius, Zangoose, Poochyena, Mightyena, Hariyama, Camerupt, Torkoal, Pelipper, and the Mudkip line are all S - B tier 😅 to me, they're the best designed and the most "Sugimori" out of gen 3.
Love the differing opinions, that’s what makes this game so great, our interpretations and experiences almost always vary. The entire reshiram segment was hilarious. Poochyena & Mightyena are what the new dark dogs wish they were, fearsome & still cute. We should of just got a region poochy instead of those gross abominations in gen 9.
Lumi: "I haven't played a Gen3 game until ORAS" So you haven't played a Gen3 game! Lumi: "but I started with a gen3 game, FRLG" [flips table] For real, ORAS is not a substitute for the Hoenn experience, it is a Hoenn-based vacation for XY. ORAS is a Gen6 game that happens to be set in an alternate version of Hoenn where the Link cable is a literal wormhole for redirecting meteors towards other versions of the Pokemon planet. ORAS is a reimagined take on Hoenn that expands the originals with a very strict rule of ignoring the existence of the definitive version that FIXED MAJOR PLOTPOINTS. It is a remake of the incomplete game. ORAS is what Pokemon Z would be if it got cancelled and turned into a Hoenn remake because people keep posting trumpet memes and throwing money at the screen. Please play Emerald I beg you.
@@lumiosepostman u were doing the people’s work with sceptile! And the way u levelled the threat of INDUSTRIAL ACTION over treatment of swellow. You got your priorities right that’s for sure haha
Plusle and Minun aren't useless! They're actually pretty strong. They have BST inbetween pre-evos and full evos, in the playthrough were extremely hard to remove and hit back pretty strong too.
Gen 3 was amazing, it was a memorable trumpit fever dream, gen 3 for me was peak pokemon because my best friend and alot of my friends had gen 3, my friend got Sappire i got Ruby, we battled alot and his Kyore was so good and would hit the occasional sheer cold.
As someone who was not really the biggest fan of Gen 3 when it released - this is going to be good. I also think its funny that only Dusty play gen 3 😂
This episode is hilarious! I (dusty) am watching it back this morning and its fun to listen to this whole thing. Gen 3 is such a beautiful generation. Enjoy my friend
Went back to watch this one. Wasn't disappointed. Gen 3 is like the baseline for a solid gen imo. I don't think it's one of the best, but it's also not one of the worst. When Soul has a take that I 100% agree with & one or both of you disagree it makes for some of the best moments lol.
Here's my Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 3 Pokémon: 1. Salamence Line, Metagross Line and Flygon Line 2. Aggron Line and Sceptile Line 3. Ninjask and Swampert Line 4. Milotic Line 5. Galarian Zigzagoon and Galarian Linoone 6. Blaziken Line and Crawdaunt Line 7. Vigoroth and Breloom Line 8. Exploud Line 9. Sharpedo Line and Altaria Line 10. Duskull Line and Beautifly 11. Armaldo Line and Dustox 12. Shiftry Line, Ludicolo Line and Glalie Line
CASTNUTS I love these tier list pods 😂 can't wait for Gen 4!! Also, totally agree with Lumi - Dusty, Soul, you guys gotta play New Pokémon Snap. It gave me so much more appreciation for some of the 'mons. And the graphics are just superb!
Im glad you are enjoying it! Theyre so much fun to do and share our opinions with eachother. We only became friends like a year ago so a lot of our takes are hot hot hot lol Gen 4 tier list is coming sooner than you think! We're excited to talk about gen 5 too!
@@HiddenPowerPodcast you guys have serious long-time friend energy. You're always super respectful of each others's spicy takes and these always feel like a fun discussion between good pals. Super grateful for the pod!! I'm gonna rewatch the other gen tier list eps now lol
If im not mistake i'm pretty sure mudkip takes inspiration from multiple animals including mudskippers and axolotls, kind of like cyndaquil and rodents.
S-Tier podcast as always Started off a little weird with Blaziken and Reshiram Gen 3 is kind of in a weird place between the underwhelming Gen 2 and very loved Gen 4
Lumi, in my opinion, it is much better to go through BotW first, and only then take on TotK. BotW in 2017 received the title of GOTY, and I myself agree with the opinion of many people that BotW by TotK is an alpha. TotK brilliantly expands on many elements from BotW and improves things that didn't quite work in that first part. That doesn't change the fact that BotW is a great game, but the experience is rather sure to be much worse when you play TotK first. It's simply a matter of comparing things that were done much better in TotK.
Lombre grew on me A LOT after PMD: BRT. Before it was one of my least pleasant pokemon to look at. That game in general boosted my Hoenn appreciation. Now I only hate Gens 4 and 5, not 3, 4 and 5
Despite Gardevoir not having proper feet like Sallazle does, it's still the most gorgeous waifumon out there. Not even Tsareena comes close! I always have a never-ending b*ner whenever I have 3D Gardevoir on my team!
I went from really liking Torkoal from the anime to kinda feeling meh as I feel towards most of the Hoenn pokemon, to now respecting Drought Erruption Torkoal's competitive viability.
Shedinja is second best Hoenn pokemon after Gardevoir. It's so EVIL AND SATANIC! I LOVE IT! It's like an evil spirit breaking out of hell and possessing a shell of Ninjask. SO COOL! Btw, I'm currently in progress if my Sapphire playthrough. I caught a Nincada, called it Pater, than it evolved, and I renamed Ninjask into Filius and Shedinja into Spiritus. That's a reference to a cool song Theatres des Vampires - Dances with Satan: Lucifer, Pape Satan - Pater, Filius, Spiritus - Trinitas, Universi Rex, Imperator des Inferorum Which means something like: Lucifer to us is like holy trinity, is a king of the universe and emperor of hell.
Here's my gen 3 team : SWAMPERT (JETZ) FLYGON (RUSH) BREELOM (ROO) TORKAOL (KOAL) EXPLOUD (BOOM BOOM) AGGRON (ARRY) this team won me everything on sapphire,emrald,& aplaha Sapphire I love this team it's in my top 3 teams I've built ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Ok, I'm back from brainstorming the Magma type. I have theorycrafted some pretty radical types in the past... heck, I could defend Fungus and Fish type. But even by those standards, Magma is just not a type.
I gave my friend crap for having Ruby. Then had my first experience with Gen 3 renting Colossuem. I bought a Gameboy SP soon after and a copy of Emerald
I don't think so. Pokemon is special because it's old-school, it's Japanese, and it's got everything you want (nature, tough creatures, smart creatures, science, mysticism, etc.) and all those elements don't interfere much with each other, hence not ruining each other (like how you ruin magic mixing it with futuristic sci fi setting)
I’m with Soul on the starters especially, the mudkip line is meh, marshtomp is an abomination. But man Grovyle is so so good. That and Quilava are my favourite middle stages, I really grew attached to grovyle in Mystery Dungeon too. But final stage wise, blaziken beats sceptile every time, I like blaziken. Overall though when I first played hoenn as a kid I thought it was too colourful, I missed the classic johto and Kanto style and I think the same goes for the Pokémon. My S tier Pokémon in hoenn though are Jirachi, Grovyle, Skitty, flygon and milotic. Maybe the lati duo as well. Connecting my gba to the GameCube to get jirachi in Pokémon channel was a VERY special feeling. I think an issue I have with hoenn is similar to unova. The first game doesn’t really include many Pokémon from past gens, which can be good, but it makes it harder to think of them as Pokémon. Also one last thing, beautifly is actually a mosquito I believe! That’s why it has the twirl on its mouth. That made me appreciate more as it’s own.
Banette, the only Pokémon I’ve decided to tattoo onto my body, is wayyy deserving of a higher rank than C. Y’all are something else. Although a lot of Skyen’s takes are also not it, he rated it S right where it belongs.
Hey I have an idea for a series if u ever want to do so as you know people have opinions and some think new Pokémon aka gen 6-9 is good me included but they will never beat gen 3. And some people in the Pokemon community are really talented and makes Fakemon regions if u ever want to react to the Pokémon or make a tier list, i Suggest Mykel Ryan Fyrún or Trainer matz Norden region, their are many more but these are my favourites.
I too don't get the Breloom love. It's an ok design, but that's it. I don't like the proportions, I don't like it being physical, I don't like the shade of green it uses.
How was it last episode? (Episode before this one). This episode was recorded a few weeks back-and we realized this problem watching it back and tried to improve it. Was it better last week? Thanks for the feedback-and sorry for busting your eardrums and making you have to play with your volume the whole ride! 😅
Poochyena is remarkably cute, but that's the only good thing I can say about it. It's weak, it's forgetable, the ultimate no one's favorite pokemon material. Even though I completely agree with Dusty on Poochyena, I actually think that it's Pidgey that is boring and useless. I don't care that it's actually Pidgey to be considered Kanto's regional bird, at least Fearow can do some damage. Pidgeot invests too much BST into Special Attack ending lacking on physical side - precicely where it has both of its STABs. And design-wise Fearow is MUCH BETTER. At least it's not fat to the point it should't fly.
Salamence looks like an unartistic 8 y.o. boy's drawing with distorted proportions, drawn with like 10 pounds of pressure on the pencil. It's stooopid!
How DARE they not put Swampert in S, it's easily the best starter in Hoenn since none of the gym leaders or Elite 4 are strong against the water/ground type, plus it's really powerful
I honestly tried to like Hoenn, but I just can't. Lemme cite my Twitter rant I made after first getting on a boat with the bald dude: "Is it just me, or does Gen 3 Hoenn really feel so... disconnected? I play Sapphire: routes are huge, I don't know where to go, I have 1 badge and already do 10000 errands for various randos. Anyone had this? This is not me being a stoopid Gen Z+ kid, I played RB, C, HGSS, Y, SwSh and S extensively, some Pt, W and competitive Gen 7 in Showdown. I only have this problem in Hoenn. Is it just my bias? So many people with unfamiliar names, they all seem to know me, everything is so random!"
I hate Vigoroth being a stupid monkey that always attacks me in Paldea. Third most annoying pokemon after Veluza, the worst offender, and Skiddo due to the sheer commonality of one. Paldean Tauros is not far behind, it just looks good enough for me to not mind it attacking me near Porto Marinada.
What I kinda like about Blaziken is that it looks like a FREAKIN DEVIL! LIKE JUST CAME UP FROM HELL! And I don't care about its crotch hair, I like everything "18+" related
Sa-naito/Gardevoir with Synchro with any neutral Nature leading in Emerald will make any wild Pokémon get a Nature match 50% of the time. You can also use Ke-shi/Abra, Yungera-/Kadabra, or Fu-din/Alakazam with the same Ability and Nature to do the same.
When it comes to the role of anime in judging the pokemon's design, I usually give the top priority to it. However, with some pokemon I really prefer sprites. Mewtwo, my FOAT, looks awesome in some of the early gens sprites, but it looks trash in the anime and movies. All pokemon should look a little baby-like no matter how fierce they are.
So what that Slaking scratches his b*tt? It doesn't touch me or my food with those hands. I don't mind it. I don't like it either, to me it's an average D tier design (means I feel totally neutral towards it). BTW, Dusty, for you to easier remembering of Slaking's BST: It's the same as Groudon, Kyogre and Regigigas - 670, 10 less than Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh.
Unpopular opinion, but I think Treecko in the anime had TOO MUCH character. It's a big part why I kinda hate Treecko despite feeling totally neutral towards its evolutions. Btw, Sceptile > Grovile, I don't get why somebody would think otherwise
I don't get why you and most other poketubers discuss 3 stages as different pokemon. I know they technically are, but, like, were're fans here, we don't need to bloat thr number of dex entries, why don't rate the entire line based on the best design from it? Like, who cares Charmander and Charmeleon exists, if in most competitive formats you'll use Charizard? It's like its true and complete forme. Like, we don't rate celebrities based how they looked in middle school or how they acted in their earliest movies
Also mega controversial opinion: I can't stand Rayquaza. It looks like it ate someone's lipstick, I hate the mouth it has. Not only does it not fit in type wise with the trio, the others are single type Pokemon and it's new "enemy" Deoxys is also single type but Rayquaza has to be dragon/flying. Not just that, it's the THIRD different dragon/flying Pokemon in gen 3. Was Salamence and Alteria having that same typing not enough?
SoulSilverArt is the best of 3. When he started popping up in RuffledRowlit's videos I was super mad and hated the guy, like, who does he think he is posting this much obvious stuff? But later I accepted him as a part of leaks community, and admitted that some of the thoughts he posts aren't just common knowlege. As for those other guys, I've heard something about Lumi. Dusty though... whenever I come across some laughable utter bull***t on Twitter - it's always posted by Dusty😂 The dude says what he wants from the upcoming games like if it already happened, and it drives me crazy!🤬
Poochyena, Mightyena, Vigoroth, Wailmer, Pelipper, Zangoose, Hariyama, and Camerupt all deserve A tier. No lower. Chimecho is B. These all feel like Johto Pokemon. Sableye deserves D. I highly dislike it. Tailow and Swellow are C. Grovyle should not be in S, definitely a C or D tier. Lileep and Craydilly are 110% F. Some of the lamest designs in the franchise. I hate how overdesigned they feel with all those muted colors, their LEGS, are so bad -- they don't feel finished and feel tacked on. I hate the bands around the neck, the circle designs on the head, Craydilly is a lot worse but I will die on this hill. Terrible designs. Salamence's wings are TERRIBLE. I hate them. Dragonite, Tyranitar, and Dragapult are the three best pseudo designs. Salamence's head is cool.... but it's 100% a C tier. Hate the Regis. Regirock doesn't have a nice flow, with those shapes and those arms are just, ehh. All the Regis go to D. Latios and Latias go to C or D. Don't like their designs and silhouettes. They feel too artificial and not organic enough to feel like a living creature.
Funny how Lumi said Gen 3 was one of the best generation design-wise, cos I couldn't disagree more. I think one of the main problems with Hoenn is ugly pokemon. Colors are neither bright nor unnatural, a some mons look like bad 7 y.o. kid's drawings (Salamance), Gardevoir line is green for some stu pid nonsense reason. It's my favorite Hoenn pokemon, yet it's not even in my top 10 designs despite being a waifu. That's bad, like, really bad
I hate Nuzleaf for its Alladin pants, I hate everything middle eastern for some weird irrational reason. Medicham pass cos it's got the best typing (I mean my favorite combo).
No, Soul, poketubers staring at or showing us some arts, especially fan arts, is the worst kind of pokemon content. Worse than you 3 watching pokemon official arts without talking much would be third worse to "my pokemon region" and "gen 10 new pokemon and evolutions prediction"
100% with you Dusty.
Experiencing a Pokémon with its intended in-game context is the strongest chance a Pokemon gets to make you like it.
These designs are purreeeee
I actually never realized that was the reason for Sceptile’s high special attack and low attack, but it makes so much sense now… I always thought it should be a physical attacker.
With its signature move being leaf blade you would think so yeah.
Can we get a math solution to the tier list for when there are wild differences?
S=5
A=4
B=3
C=2
D=1
F=0
Add your numbers together and divide by 3. Then we will always have the exact number and if it's .5 or higher you round up and if it's lower you round down.
The Hoenn nostalgia with the anime does affect my judgement on these Pokémon, I agree with Lumi. AG Supremacy!
Dusty wanting to put Dusclops in S is understandable, he was a nice boss in the Pinball game. Love your takes here!
Soul, you gonna play the original RSE. If not for Wynaut and Azurill, this could've been pre-Unova with 135 new mons!
Swampert as B is insane
Yeah swampert is all time S
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Ken Sugimori said in an interview that while in gen 2 he was pushed by the company to create more cute and round design in order to sell merchandise, for gen 3 he couldn't have it and this time replied differently to the same pressure: "Screw it, I'm going to take full liberty". The result was, for me, the best gen across-the-board in terms of monster design.
I might as well do my own list:
Top 3: Milotic, Groudon, Kyogre
S: Mudkip, Lotad, Seedot, Skitty, Cacturne, Feebas, Registeel, Jirachi
A: Treecko, Grovyle, Sceptile, Swampert, Poochyena, Zigzagoon, Ludicolo, Shiftry, Ralts, Kirlia, Gardevoir, Shedinja, Sableye, Mawile, Wailmer, Wailord, Cacnea, Claydol, Cradily, Duskull, Dusclops, Regirock, Regice, Latias, Latios, Rayquaza, Deoxys
B: Torchic, Blaziken, Mightyena, Wurmple, Beautifly, Lombre, Nuzleaf, Swellow, Wingull, Pelipper, Whismur, Aggron, Roselia, Gulpin, Camerupt, Trapinch, Lunatone, Solrock, Crawdaunt, Lileep, Anorith, Armaldo, Shuppet, Banette, Tropius, Relicanth, Huntail, Gorebyss, Metagross, Salamence
C: Mightyena, Linoone, Dustox, Taillow, Surskit, Masquerain, Breloom, Slakoth, Vigoroth, Slaking, Nincada, Ninjask, Makuhita, Hariyama, Nosepass, Delcatty, Aron, Plusle, Minun, Swalot, Carvanha, Sharpedo, Numel, Torkoal, Spinda, Flygon, Swablu, Altaria, Barboach, Whiscash, Corphish, Kecleon, Chimecho, Snorunt, Glalie, Spheal, Luvdisc, Bagon, Shelgon, Beldum, Meltang, Baltoy
D: Marshtomp, Combusken, Silcoon, Cascoon, Shroomish, Loudred, Exploud, Lairon, Meditite, Medicham, Electrike, Manectric, Volbeat, Illumise, Spoink, Grumpig, Zangoose, Seviper, Vibrava, Castform, Absol, Sealeo, Walrein, Clamperl
F: Azurill, Castform (forms), Wynaut
Vigoroth, Wailmer, Tropius, Zangoose, Poochyena, Mightyena, Hariyama, Camerupt, Torkoal, Pelipper, and the Mudkip line are all S - B tier 😅 to me, they're the best designed and the most "Sugimori" out of gen 3.
"Dudunsparce and Maushold"
This is Oinkologne erasure.
This is my favorite series you guys are doing, can't wait for gen 4 !!!!❤
Love the differing opinions, that’s what makes this game so great, our interpretations and experiences almost always vary. The entire reshiram segment was hilarious. Poochyena & Mightyena are what the new dark dogs wish they were, fearsome & still cute. We should of just got a region poochy instead of those gross abominations in gen 9.
They're not dogs though 😉
Castform not getting a Sand form upsets me more than it should, because it feels like they cheaper out.
Sableye in S tier. All that matters.
My guy
Fun fact Lumi, trapinch to vibrava actually gets weaker upon evolving. Flygon and trapinch have the same base attack lol
Holy crap why did they give Trapinch base 100 attack!? 😭😂
@@lumiosepost lol idk but its one of the strongest little cup Pokémon because of it 😂
I'm like dying here laughing. You guys are hillarious to listen to. Nuzleaf with the nipples
Lumi: "I haven't played a Gen3 game until ORAS"
So you haven't played a Gen3 game!
Lumi: "but I started with a gen3 game, FRLG"
[flips table]
For real,
ORAS is not a substitute for the Hoenn experience, it is a Hoenn-based vacation for XY.
ORAS is a Gen6 game that happens to be set in an alternate version of Hoenn where the Link cable is a literal wormhole for redirecting meteors towards other versions of the Pokemon planet.
ORAS is a reimagined take on Hoenn that expands the originals with a very strict rule of ignoring the existence of the definitive version that FIXED MAJOR PLOTPOINTS. It is a remake of the incomplete game.
ORAS is what Pokemon Z would be if it got cancelled and turned into a Hoenn remake because people keep posting trumpet memes and throwing money at the screen.
Please play Emerald I beg you.
Lumi to Soul "actually play Gen3!"
Big words coming from someone who hasn't played Gen3!
Swampert with earthquake is so op. Any electric type that goes against him becomes the shocked pikachu meme real quick.
Lumi’s chaos is unmatched EVERY 👏 DAMN 👏 TIME 👏
THESE PEOPLE DIDNT PUT SCEPTILE IN S TIER 😭
@@lumiosepostman u were doing the people’s work with sceptile! And the way u levelled the threat of INDUSTRIAL ACTION over treatment of swellow. You got your priorities right that’s for sure haha
Plusle and Minun aren't useless! They're actually pretty strong. They have BST inbetween pre-evos and full evos, in the playthrough were extremely hard to remove and hit back pretty strong too.
They're also the cutest
Ive sat through so many hot takes but Dusty calling Milotic "ugly" is the final straw lmao You should be ashamed Dusty lol
mood: "I hate his face. derp mon."
the dynamic between everyone is gold.
Ahaha, you changed my opinion on Relicanth too😂 I mean, I never hated it, nor do I love it now, but I definitely had my "ok, that's fair" moment
Groudon in his sprite looks like he wants to show you the size of the fish he caught.
YES! Just what I needed and my favorite generation too! Keep them coming please 😅
Gen 3 was amazing, it was a memorable trumpit fever dream, gen 3 for me was peak pokemon because my best friend and alot of my friends had gen 3, my friend got Sappire i got Ruby, we battled alot and his Kyore was so good and would hit the occasional sheer cold.
As someone who was not really the biggest fan of Gen 3 when it released - this is going to be good. I also think its funny that only Dusty play gen 3 😂
This episode is hilarious! I (dusty) am watching it back this morning and its fun to listen to this whole thing. Gen 3 is such a beautiful generation. Enjoy my friend
@@HiddenPowerPodcastLet me clarify. Gen 3 is good - I did not like Hoenn at the time of its release though. ORAS made Hoenn so much better.
Wynaut became a symbol of my Instagram stories series 30-Day Song Challenge. I still haven't finished it😂
Went back to watch this one. Wasn't disappointed. Gen 3 is like the baseline for a solid gen imo. I don't think it's one of the best, but it's also not one of the worst. When Soul has a take that I 100% agree with & one or both of you disagree it makes for some of the best moments lol.
Grumpy Lotad is fantastic!
So many different Dusty channels with amazing names!
Swampert's 4-legged posture gives me Greninja vibes
I LOVE LUMI'S analytic thinking: "I said S, Sould said C..."!
Soul: "They feel better/more complete with their megas"
Get those abominations out of this gen3 video!!!!!1
...If I got a cent everytime Soul brings up Megas...
"its mega tho"
OH MY GOD
Here's my Top 12 List for All-Time Fave Gen 3 Pokémon:
1. Salamence Line, Metagross Line and Flygon Line
2. Aggron Line and Sceptile Line
3. Ninjask and Swampert Line
4. Milotic Line
5. Galarian Zigzagoon and Galarian Linoone
6. Blaziken Line and Crawdaunt Line
7. Vigoroth and Breloom Line
8. Exploud Line
9. Sharpedo Line and Altaria Line
10. Duskull Line and Beautifly
11. Armaldo Line and Dustox
12. Shiftry Line, Ludicolo Line and Glalie Line
I look forward to your videos every week, but this video has been most anticipated
Great to hear! Gen 4 will be sooner than you think 👀
Regirock in the Lucario movie was THE COOLEST THING IN WATCHABLE POKEMON!
CASTNUTS
I love these tier list pods 😂 can't wait for Gen 4!!
Also, totally agree with Lumi - Dusty, Soul, you guys gotta play New Pokémon Snap. It gave me so much more appreciation for some of the 'mons. And the graphics are just superb!
Im glad you are enjoying it! Theyre so much fun to do and share our opinions with eachother. We only became friends like a year ago so a lot of our takes are hot hot hot lol
Gen 4 tier list is coming sooner than you think! We're excited to talk about gen 5 too!
@@HiddenPowerPodcast you guys have serious long-time friend energy. You're always super respectful of each others's spicy takes and these always feel like a fun discussion between good pals. Super grateful for the pod!! I'm gonna rewatch the other gen tier list eps now lol
I'm also obsessed with child Dusty belittling that other kid and being like YOU ARE AN IDIOT, GROUDON IS GROUND! 😂😂😂
"It needs to have a different head structure ... I know it's a star..."
"ITS A *STAR*!!!"
If im not mistake i'm pretty sure mudkip takes inspiration from multiple animals including mudskippers and axolotls, kind of like cyndaquil and rodents.
Yeeessss super looking forward to this one!
surskit should've been in S because Swellow got in S for the exact same ranking. INTERESTING.
S-Tier podcast as always
Started off a little weird with Blaziken and Reshiram
Gen 3 is kind of in a weird place between the underwhelming Gen 2 and very loved Gen 4
Poor Soul, he didn’t have a chance against nostalgia 💔
Lumi, in my opinion, it is much better to go through BotW first, and only then take on TotK. BotW in 2017 received the title of GOTY, and I myself agree with the opinion of many people that BotW by TotK is an alpha. TotK brilliantly expands on many elements from BotW and improves things that didn't quite work in that first part. That doesn't change the fact that BotW is a great game, but the experience is rather sure to be much worse when you play TotK first. It's simply a matter of comparing things that were done much better in TotK.
Over two and a half hours to go! This is gonna take several days to watch, cos I'll be commenting A LOT!!!
Four of these tier lists in and soul still has the worst takes 😂
Lombre grew on me A LOT after PMD: BRT. Before it was one of my least pleasant pokemon to look at. That game in general boosted my Hoenn appreciation. Now I only hate Gens 4 and 5, not 3, 4 and 5
Wow. I will never look at Combusken and Reshiram the same.
Dusty, Mightyena is not a dog! Hyena's are in the same family as cats.
Despite Gardevoir not having proper feet like Sallazle does, it's still the most gorgeous waifumon out there. Not even Tsareena comes close! I always have a never-ending b*ner whenever I have 3D Gardevoir on my team!
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I went from really liking Torkoal from the anime to kinda feeling meh as I feel towards most of the Hoenn pokemon, to now respecting Drought Erruption Torkoal's competitive viability.
Shedinja is second best Hoenn pokemon after Gardevoir. It's so EVIL AND SATANIC! I LOVE IT! It's like an evil spirit breaking out of hell and possessing a shell of Ninjask. SO COOL!
Btw, I'm currently in progress if my Sapphire playthrough. I caught a Nincada, called it Pater, than it evolved, and I renamed Ninjask into Filius and Shedinja into Spiritus. That's a reference to a cool song Theatres des Vampires - Dances with Satan:
Lucifer, Pape Satan -
Pater, Filius, Spiritus -
Trinitas,
Universi
Rex, Imperator des Inferorum
Which means something like: Lucifer to us is like holy trinity, is a king of the universe and emperor of hell.
Here's my gen 3 team :
SWAMPERT (JETZ)
FLYGON (RUSH)
BREELOM (ROO)
TORKAOL (KOAL)
EXPLOUD (BOOM BOOM)
AGGRON (ARRY)
this team won me everything on sapphire,emrald,& aplaha Sapphire I love this team it's in my top 3 teams I've built ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤
Noooo Soul, why did u pointed out the tuft of hair on Reshiram? 😥
For the Star Wars fans out there:
"LASER SWORD"
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2:30:14
BRB I am brainstorming the Magma type as we speak.
"that used to get me so HEATED"
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Ok, I'm back from brainstorming the Magma type.
I have theorycrafted some pretty radical types in the past... heck, I could defend Fungus and Fish type.
But even by those standards, Magma is just not a type.
Sometimes I can't pick between secpitle or mega sceptile
It took 2 hours but Dusty finally had a take I don't vibe with...
Milotic is "hideous"?????? "It's like an eel" YOU'RE MAKING IT EVEN BETTER
I gave my friend crap for having Ruby. Then had my first experience with Gen 3 renting Colossuem. I bought a Gameboy SP soon after and a copy of Emerald
No, Roselia is cute, is feminine, better than Roserade
Roserade has more concept imo
Concepts are what makes Pokemon different from other monster catching franchises.
I don't think so. Pokemon is special because it's old-school, it's Japanese, and it's got everything you want (nature, tough creatures, smart creatures, science, mysticism, etc.) and all those elements don't interfere much with each other, hence not ruining each other (like how you ruin magic mixing it with futuristic sci fi setting)
I’m with Soul on the starters especially, the mudkip line is meh, marshtomp is an abomination. But man Grovyle is so so good. That and Quilava are my favourite middle stages, I really grew attached to grovyle in Mystery Dungeon too. But final stage wise, blaziken beats sceptile every time, I like blaziken. Overall though when I first played hoenn as a kid I thought it was too colourful, I missed the classic johto and Kanto style and I think the same goes for the Pokémon. My S tier Pokémon in hoenn though are Jirachi, Grovyle, Skitty, flygon and milotic. Maybe the lati duo as well. Connecting my gba to the GameCube to get jirachi in Pokémon channel was a VERY special feeling.
I think an issue I have with hoenn is similar to unova. The first game doesn’t really include many Pokémon from past gens, which can be good, but it makes it harder to think of them as Pokémon.
Also one last thing, beautifly is actually a mosquito I believe! That’s why it has the twirl on its mouth. That made me appreciate more as it’s own.
Banette, the only Pokémon I’ve decided to tattoo onto my body, is wayyy deserving of a higher rank than C. Y’all are something else. Although a lot of Skyen’s takes are also not it, he rated it S right where it belongs.
Hey I have an idea for a series if u ever want to do so as you know people have opinions and some think new Pokémon aka gen 6-9 is good me included but they will never beat gen 3. And some people in the Pokemon community are really talented and makes Fakemon regions if u ever want to react to the Pokémon or make a tier list, i Suggest Mykel Ryan Fyrún or Trainer matz Norden region, their are many more but these are my favourites.
BUT, Sceptile gets Swords Dance and all it’s good physical moves have high crit!
Aggron is actually huge in xd gale of darkness. He should be S tier
I too don't get the Breloom love. It's an ok design, but that's it. I don't like the proportions, I don't like it being physical, I don't like the shade of green it uses.
I love your podcasts i just wish lumiose mic didn’t peak so hard and that dusty’s mic wasn’t so quite. listening in the car for work is jarring
How was it last episode? (Episode before this one). This episode was recorded a few weeks back-and we realized this problem watching it back and tried to improve it. Was it better last week? Thanks for the feedback-and sorry for busting your eardrums and making you have to play with your volume the whole ride! 😅
@@lumiosepost Thanks for responding. last episode was better on your part. i appreciate your strive for improvement! keep up your work!
If no one in the treecko line is in S tier I’m gonna call officer Jenny for an arrest
Crisis averted. No phone calls had to be made
Poochyena is remarkably cute, but that's the only good thing I can say about it. It's weak, it's forgetable, the ultimate no one's favorite pokemon material.
Even though I completely agree with Dusty on Poochyena, I actually think that it's Pidgey that is boring and useless. I don't care that it's actually Pidgey to be considered Kanto's regional bird, at least Fearow can do some damage. Pidgeot invests too much BST into Special Attack ending lacking on physical side - precicely where it has both of its STABs. And design-wise Fearow is MUCH BETTER. At least it's not fat to the point it should't fly.
Not sure about this modern anime with its questionable artstyle, but the old anime was the best way to explore pokemon designs.
Salamence looks like an unartistic 8 y.o. boy's drawing with distorted proportions, drawn with like 10 pounds of pressure on the pencil. It's stooopid!
How DARE they not put Swampert in S, it's easily the best starter in Hoenn since none of the gym leaders or Elite 4 are strong against the water/ground type, plus it's really powerful
This dude makes Pokémon content and has never played gen 3 whaaaaa
Slaking in Burt Reynolds tier
I honestly tried to like Hoenn, but I just can't. Lemme cite my Twitter rant I made after first getting on a boat with the bald dude:
"Is it just me, or does Gen 3 Hoenn really feel so... disconnected? I play Sapphire: routes are huge, I don't know where to go, I have 1 badge and already do 10000 errands for various randos. Anyone had this?
This is not me being a stoopid Gen Z+ kid, I played RB, C, HGSS, Y, SwSh and S extensively, some Pt, W and competitive Gen 7 in Showdown. I only have this problem in Hoenn. Is it just my bias? So many people with unfamiliar names, they all seem to know me, everything is so random!"
I DON'T GET LUVDISC HATE! Sure, it's not strong, but should it really be? It's goofy and cute
I hate Vigoroth being a stupid monkey that always attacks me in Paldea. Third most annoying pokemon after Veluza, the worst offender, and Skiddo due to the sheer commonality of one. Paldean Tauros is not far behind, it just looks good enough for me to not mind it attacking me near Porto Marinada.
DON'T YOU DARE SAY THAT NONSENSE TO LUMI! He's the only one here trying to think rationally and do the math!
What I kinda like about Blaziken is that it looks like a FREAKIN DEVIL! LIKE JUST CAME UP FROM HELL! And I don't care about its crotch hair, I like everything "18+" related
Sa-naito/Gardevoir with Synchro with any neutral Nature leading in Emerald will make any wild Pokémon get a Nature match 50% of the time. You can also use Ke-shi/Abra, Yungera-/Kadabra, or Fu-din/Alakazam with the same Ability and Nature to do the same.
When it comes to the role of anime in judging the pokemon's design, I usually give the top priority to it. However, with some pokemon I really prefer sprites. Mewtwo, my FOAT, looks awesome in some of the early gens sprites, but it looks trash in the anime and movies. All pokemon should look a little baby-like no matter how fierce they are.
HARD AGREE with Soul on Regice! Also Metagross > Salamence
So what that Slaking scratches his b*tt? It doesn't touch me or my food with those hands. I don't mind it. I don't like it either, to me it's an average D tier design (means I feel totally neutral towards it).
BTW, Dusty, for you to easier remembering of Slaking's BST: It's the same as Groudon, Kyogre and Regigigas - 670, 10 less than Mewtwo, Lugia and Ho-Oh.
Unpopular opinion, but I think Treecko in the anime had TOO MUCH character. It's a big part why I kinda hate Treecko despite feeling totally neutral towards its evolutions.
Btw, Sceptile > Grovile, I don't get why somebody would think otherwise
Spoink is S tier, wtf is wrong with you it’s adorable.
I don't get why you and most other poketubers discuss 3 stages as different pokemon. I know they technically are, but, like, were're fans here, we don't need to bloat thr number of dex entries, why don't rate the entire line based on the best design from it? Like, who cares Charmander and Charmeleon exists, if in most competitive formats you'll use Charizard? It's like its true and complete forme. Like, we don't rate celebrities based how they looked in middle school or how they acted in their earliest movies
For the algorithm 😮
YALL TRIPPIN Sceptile>grovyle and sceptile is the best horn starter
Wait what's suppose to be jewish about Baltoy and Claydol? They're very Japanese inspired. Like design wise it's exactly like a Dogū.
Also mega controversial opinion: I can't stand Rayquaza. It looks like it ate someone's lipstick, I hate the mouth it has. Not only does it not fit in type wise with the trio, the others are single type Pokemon and it's new "enemy" Deoxys is also single type but Rayquaza has to be dragon/flying. Not just that, it's the THIRD different dragon/flying Pokemon in gen 3. Was Salamence and Alteria having that same typing not enough?
SoulSilverArt is the best of 3. When he started popping up in RuffledRowlit's videos I was super mad and hated the guy, like, who does he think he is posting this much obvious stuff? But later I accepted him as a part of leaks community, and admitted that some of the thoughts he posts aren't just common knowlege.
As for those other guys, I've heard something about Lumi. Dusty though... whenever I come across some laughable utter bull***t on Twitter - it's always posted by Dusty😂 The dude says what he wants from the upcoming games like if it already happened, and it drives me crazy!🤬
Mudkip is literally the best
Poochyena, Mightyena, Vigoroth, Wailmer, Pelipper, Zangoose, Hariyama, and Camerupt all deserve A tier. No lower. Chimecho is B. These all feel like Johto Pokemon. Sableye deserves D. I highly dislike it. Tailow and Swellow are C. Grovyle should not be in S, definitely a C or D tier. Lileep and Craydilly are 110% F. Some of the lamest designs in the franchise. I hate how overdesigned they feel with all those muted colors, their LEGS, are so bad -- they don't feel finished and feel tacked on. I hate the bands around the neck, the circle designs on the head, Craydilly is a lot worse but I will die on this hill. Terrible designs. Salamence's wings are TERRIBLE. I hate them. Dragonite, Tyranitar, and Dragapult are the three best pseudo designs. Salamence's head is cool.... but it's 100% a C tier. Hate the Regis. Regirock doesn't have a nice flow, with those shapes and those arms are just, ehh. All the Regis go to D. Latios and Latias go to C or D. Don't like their designs and silhouettes. They feel too artificial and not organic enough to feel like a living creature.
Funny how Lumi said Gen 3 was one of the best generation design-wise, cos I couldn't disagree more. I think one of the main problems with Hoenn is ugly pokemon. Colors are neither bright nor unnatural, a some mons look like bad 7 y.o. kid's drawings (Salamance), Gardevoir line is green for some stu pid nonsense reason. It's my favorite Hoenn pokemon, yet it's not even in my top 10 designs despite being a waifu. That's bad, like, really bad
Dusty got L take on Milotic
I hate Nuzleaf for its Alladin pants, I hate everything middle eastern for some weird irrational reason. Medicham pass cos it's got the best typing (I mean my favorite combo).
lumis math is consistently terrible 😂
Soul literally has to be try to antagonize. These are not real opinions
No, Soul, poketubers staring at or showing us some arts, especially fan arts, is the worst kind of pokemon content. Worse than you 3 watching pokemon official arts without talking much would be third worse to "my pokemon region" and "gen 10 new pokemon and evolutions prediction"
When you guys had two people agreeing on one thing that was trumping it happened multiple times 😂 it's because you guys all favor certain
Gardivoir the worst? This vid is not worth watching
You guys should ask your guest/yourself what abilities they/you have~
Soul: Mine is Sharpness
Can you guys do unite content
we dont play unite! PUmped that Scizor is in it tho lol
I kinda like how Quaquaval moves, and its feet aren't gross. Only flat stinky human feet are gross