100 Mile Cummins Diesel MPG Test w/2023 Ram 2500 Rebel
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- Опубліковано 25 гру 2022
- The new 2023 Ram 2500 Rebel has a new option - a Cummins Diesel engine. What's the price? The MPG? Is it worth money? Publisher Tim Esterdahl answers these questions and more.
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This is built for a young owner's body and an old owner's wallet.
😂 true.
I guess that’s bad marketing.
The young ones have no problem taking on 100k of car loan debt.
@@WinningDeadlyEncounters I'm "young", work as a field technician in the ag industry, work my a$$ off. Bought a 21 Power Wagon for $80k. Half down, 2% interest on the rest, next to nothing. No sweat.
I just bought a 2024 Rebel Cummins. I like it so far, and price-wise, it was as competitive or more competitive than the Ford or Chevy options. All HD diesel trucks with any nice gear on them are $80k+ right now, and easily hit $100k+. I traded a '16 Rebel 1500 with the 5.7 v8 and 3.92 gears. I averaged 15 mpg in the city, and I have a light foot. On the highway, it was 18 mpg at the best (not towing). Towing a 6k camper, it was 8-10 mpg. The 6.4 Hemi is known to be worse mpg. So the Cummins will be an improvement for me, but I also realize the diesel has a $10k premium and higher maintenance, but it will make my towing experience lightyears better than the 1500. Yes, the ride is stiff, but so was my Rebel 1500.
I have a 2020 1500 Rebel. I treated it like a baby for the first 1000 miles. I do an oil change every 5000 miles, transmission oil change at 50K, front and rear differential at 60K. It was around 60-65K that I've noticed a significant jump in fuel mileage. I do have a bit of a lead foot, its sweet spot on the highway is 85mph. I was averaging 16-17mpg's but now it's 18.5-19mpg. Where I'm most impressed is towing my RV, I still average about 14mpg over a 5hr trip. That's mostly highway, 6800lbs dry, not exceeding 65mph.
$91,000 for this is absolutely insane to me. I've been truck shopping for the past year and seeing just how expensive Ram is now has shocked me. I am a GM guy and admittedly I had already made my mind up beforehand, but I still felt obligated to look at the competition. And frankly I'm glad I did as it made me even more confident in my decision to go with GM. That's not to say Ram and Ford don't build good trucks, they absolutely do but the amount of money you have to spend on them versus a GM rig for the same options is crazy.
I agree. I've owned several trucks and the price they charge is insane. A maxed out 2022 Ford F350 SuperDuty is $108,575. Plus, you have to deal with DEF and the $150-400 services for Oil/filter and fuel filters and Diesel was $6.60 a gallon this summer, It gets very expensive.
I went to my dealer to look at a tradesman cummins, sticker was $72k, the exact same truck two years ago was $55k, not to mention 10 grand in rebates ontop
Prices are about to drop a lot in the coming weeks .
Hate to break the news GM fanboy, but the new GMs will start at this price next year
@@miken7452 Lol. NO HD trucks START at, nor will they start at, 91k.
I love the legendary Cummins Diesel!!!!! It’s in every heavy duty truck/bus/equipment imaginable!!!!!
20.5 continuously on my 20 year old 5.9. Nice looking truck!
Thanks Tim. Hope your Christmas was good.
Lots of great info! Love to see fuel economy numbers on these heavy duty trucks.
Cool video Tim ! I don't get around too much, but this is the first video I've seen like this ( mpg ) on the new Rebel 2500 w/ Cummins.
Yet another video showing that these truck features and prices have gotten completely out of control. I would rather have a Tradesman with the cloth seats, 6.4L and offroad package and save almost $40 grand. It will be more reliable and cost less in ownership because there is less electronic crap to go wrong and weigh it down reducing the mileage. Then It will take approximately 11 years at 12mpg and 11,000 miles a year before I spent that other 40k. That works out to probably 20 year breakeven to justify a diesel with all the bells and whistles.
Ram has listened too there customers and produced ..Great job Ram
Yeah but at what cost? Who the he'll can really afford 91k? The market has to be there for Ram to make it I guess
@@jmjm3543 half tons are at 85 so what's your point.
@@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS True..
👍👍👍👏
I think their market approach is changing. Instead of selling volumes at low profits, sell less with higher profits. I'm sure someone can pull up numbers and give a reason why I'm wrong😝
No gas pickups get close to the fuel economy I get out of my 2019 Ram Big Horn diesel. Without towing or weight in bed I get 23 to 25 MPG. Cummins 6.7 Diesel is better mpg than gas towing or not.
I can’t see the 6.4 or any of the big gas engines in the 3/4 & 1 tons getting close to that 19 or 21 mpg. I see plenty of people complaining about getting only 10 -12 mpg.
What’s your point?
Tim was saying unmade gas truck would get 21 mpg. That's just way wrong is his point.
@@billwaterhouse5894 My point is that Tim's premise on MPG's (gas vs Diesel) is the exact opposite from what I and most others have seen with this size of truck & engine. The diesels tend to get better mpg at all times, but the gap closes as you near max towing capacity. So you might start at 20 (D) and 14(G) and at 20,000 lbs you're at 9(D) and 6 (G).
Estimating the 6.4 is going to get anywhere close to 20 in the 3/4 ton is laughable. Maybe if the mileage loop is downhill with a tailwind.
This is a good middle ground between a normal 2500 and something like a prospector XL.
7:26 You were wrong about one thing. The Ram boxes are available on HD trucks. I knew that I had seen them before but to make sure I went to the configurations page and it is an option.
Buy a bighorn and get a Carli suspension kit. Will save you a ton of money and will ride way better! These prices are just asinine.
Great sounding engine
I like the front end with the mustash in the grill, I would put running boards on mine if I had one
Def a mustang in the background 😂 great video
I think I would need a parachute. Impressive mpg! Im glad your head snapped back when you dropped the price on us - Impressive price tag indeed! When the weather gets warm again and you start towing, I would really like to see a segment on Exhaust Breaking towing a 5K or larger trailer (give or take) down a steep incline - Say a Duramax LM2 vs. LZ0 to see any improvements and then jump to the more heavier duty segment etc. to include the Cummins vs. larger Duramax etc. This is one major selling point for diesel but Im not sure I have seen a direct comparison done in the past couple of years - everything I have seen is almost outdated now.….. just a suggestion for your consideration.
KAIVON MORTAZAVI.............TFL did a comparison on the three Diesel Manufacturers, and they determined that the Cummins had the best EXHAUST BRAKING feature of them all! Look it up on youtube,com
And when Tim was reviewing the ram rebel and talking to the head of ram brand at the Texas state fair for the first time it literally had ram boxes on it.
Well I'll be damn. You got me there. Time to update my brain.
Great info 👍 will you be doing a favorite truck episode? Ford, Tundra, or Ram? Or perhaps a better way to frame it would be pros and cons comparisons between the 3.
Wooooo that’s a Beautiful Truck and Cummins engine is the best by far
These newer Ram, Ford, and GM diesels are some of the most beautiful and capable pieces of machinery I’ve ever seen, but the prices are out of this world. I’m just going to drive my 3rd gen Cummins until it disintegrates.
Comparable gas engine gets no where near the fuel economy of the diesel counterpart. The 6.4 hemi gets 11-13 MPG unladen. Same with chevys and fords.
You're testing a diesel truck using winter blend diesel fuel. Doing the same test in the summer with summer blend diesel is going to yield better mpg. Also, diesel trucks typically take 15k miles to fully break in. Mileage will improve after break in. My experience comes from 17 years and 309,000 miles on my diesel Ford here in the upper mid-west.
A few notes: yes, winter blend is a few mpg worse. And no I can’t do the same test in the summer, sorry. I won’t have a chance to drive this again.
I know from experience you do not want a diesel for off-roading in the mud or sand; the Cummins Diesel is just way too heavy and the front end sinks like a lead brick in water. I like your channel, but I think you are completely wrong that the Ram Rebel Diesel makes a better off-roading machine than the gas version. Just my opinion, keep up the great work....
91,000 dollars!!!!!!! HOLY GEEZE
You know when someone says something slightly wrong ... when the WIFE gives the camera a certain look :D (just before the 4 min mark HAHHAHA)
It's about time they a put a Cummins in that thing.
I would disagree with the unladen fuel economy being better in a gasser. In my experience the diesel will usually be a bit better unladen and towing. Keep in mind as that Cummins breaks in the MPG will go up.
I would consistently get 20+ mpg at 75mph in my 2019 Ram 2500 w/ the Cummins. One of the last trips I took before selling it was from Milwaukee to Indianapolis with light winds I averaged 22.5mpg round trip
True. It takes the same energy to move a given vehicle at Xmph regardless of fuel used, and as diesel is more energy-dense than gasoline, the energy required is released with less diesel (by mass or volume) than from gasoline. Ergo, diesel engines will get better miles per gallon of fuel used, in otherwise identical vehicles. My LWN (2.8L turbo-diesel) Colorado ZR2 at 70mph returns about 26-27mpg on level highway at sea level with no wind, my friend's ZR2 with the 3.7 gas engine is at 18-19 under the same conditions. Not truly identical vehicles because of the difference in engine displacement, but close enough that the difference in mpg is relevant.
Interesting stuff. Thanks. I stand corrected.
RAM makes a solid truck across the board, regardless of model or trim.
The Ram electronic cluster needs a redesign Ram should take some pointers from GM.
Nice video, but fwiw you can get ram boxes on an HD. My 3500 limited has them. 😉
Yeah, I stand corrected.
13:10 I’m surprised Stellantis didn’t give that feature a name, considering Hyundai and KIA have offered a similar feature for years now.
For that amount of money they could ditch that 6 speed transmission and have come standard with the Aisin transmission which will last much longer and shouldn’t be as problematic as the 68RFE transmission. That transmission would be a deal killer for me! Diesel engines make peak torque at much lower RPM than gas engines hence the better fuel economy under heavy load.
Is the Diesel the high output version??
Ram HD needs to update the cabs they use on their HD trucks, and start using the much nicer larger 1500 cabs.
Needs a 10sp transmission
19mpg for that truck is pretty impressive. With lift and big A/T tires I would have expected less. I really can't see the gasser doing better. My Sierra with 6.2, level and KO2s is lucky to get 19mpg on an all highway trip. Did you mention what the payload rating for that truck is? That's my issue with it especially with the diesel, the payload ratings I've seen have been pretty low. I would have thought with the "off-road" suspension and the rear coils, it would have a better ride. Maybe the tires were over inflated for not having a load?
Payload is an issue with diesel truck cause by the engine weight , gas engine on 3/4 ton truck usually get a higher payload .
@@lacuzon39000 I’m aware of why the diesel has a lower payload but a 3/4 ton truck with lower payload than some midsized trucks is pathetic. Ram needs to raise the GVWR of their 3/4 ton trucks.
Payload sticker? I was a little surprised ride is still rough since it was reported to be lower payload.
There aint no way that the 6.4 is getting 20+ mpg's, I have a 22 6.7 and it runs 24.0 all day on the highway, 18.5 around town
in the winter and 20.0 around town in the summer. There is Zero comparison between the 6.4 Gasser and the 6.7 Diesel
when it comes to MPG's!!
You lost me at 91,000! Lmao
My 6.4 Power Wagon gets anywhere from 12 to 13.5 mpg and around 15 mpg on long highway trips. I've always heard you get better mileage with a diesel engine over a gas engine. However diesel is considerably more money per gallon which seems to outweigh the benefits. I would have a hard time believing a 6.4 Rebel would get much more than my truck by more than a mile per gallon or two.
Sure, if you’re not towing. Hitch 10k lbs behind them both and then compare those MPG’s.
I'd rather get the worse fuel economy while towing and not have to deal with all the diesel emission control issues and the 10k just to buy the motor.
Diesel engine longevity is typically much longer than gas engines. There are trade-offs.
What is the payload # ?
Do you think you could really get 20 or 21 mpg with a 6.4 Rebel 2500? That seems really optimistic to me but you never know. Great video.
Agreed, never get those kind of #’s with a gas HD. I had one and now have a diesel 3500, the diesel gets better mileage across the board.
Zero chance, a half ton with an off road package like this wont pull 21. The last power wagon I was in pulled 14 to 16 with a really light foot. 12 driving like an A hole.
Yep I’d say like 15, based on the gas 4x4 HD I had.
The Hemi would get 14 max not towing.
My 6.4 hemi 4 x 4 would get about 16 mpg driving 65
All diesel engines used in heavy duty trucks weigh around 1000 pounds. Gas engines used in light duty trucks weigh 300 to 500 pounds. When you put a heavier engine over the front wheels, you need to use heavier weight springs to maintain the standard ride height. Heavier springs mean a rougher ride. GM uses an independent front suspension in their heavy duty trucks for a smoother ride. But when you place a load in the bed or tow a heavy trailer you change the caster and camber on an independent front suspension, leading to uneven tire wear.. That's why you get a live axle (straight axle) in the front of a real heavy duty truck because you don't get caster / camber changes with a load on that set up. The more you know, the more you know Ford.
Ehh, Fords do not eat tires very well. My fathers Fords duallys are well maintained but, too get Ford duallys more than five years old to eat tires evenly is a chore. Even his new 2021 was cupping the tires and needed new ones at 30k. Ford srw do better but do suffer from tire cupping. Do to non adjustable caster My duramax has always got at least 50k out of a set of tires. And the fords eat hubs at 100-110k miles , quicker than the Chevys. Im not thoroughly convinced the solid axle front end is much better/longer lasting than IFS, other than better tie-rods for heavy 4x4 use, and the ball joints last longer on solid axle.
@@kennethobando5755 - Try a better brand of tire. My Excursion has gone 110,000 miles on a set of Michelins with them only being rotated three times!
Hello from Alberta, in your experience would you buy a ram classic warlock? For the money is it a good truck .?
My friend has one. He even during the tail end of Covid he got massive discounts on it which shocked me. For the price I’d say it’s probably one of the better deals in new trucks. People say rams are unreliable but in my experience with mine I’d say it’s no better or worse than any other truck.
Just a little to high priced for me, Sounds like Ram is trying to double there price of there trucks like Ford.
Ram makes some weird choices on pricing for their "takedown" models. This reminds me of The Ram 1500 Backcountry. Was supposed to be a "budget" Rebel but it cost about the same. I know this has the Cummin's but 90k?!? I'd just buy The Power Wagon and get the wench and front locker
You can get a wench with one? I'm game, my wife probably not so much!
@@dougthompson1598 I meant winch. 😅 But for that price...... 🤔
91K….wow
What is the difference between the 2023 Rebel and a 2023 Ram 2500 Laramie with a Cummins and Off Road package?
The rebel has a rear locking axel where the standard off-road package does not. And I also believe the rebel has billstien shocks and the other does not.
Tim I think you may of lost a filling 😂
How did it drive? The ride looked a little rough in places. Softer than a Ford F-250? What about compared to the PW?
Worse than both the other trucks. The extra weight of the Cummins sure shows in this truck.
@@Pickuptrucktalk So many people complain online about the ride quality with the 2500 on 20" wheels. Did you also drive the Hemi version? I'm looking at the Hemi. Also did your truck have the air suspension? I wonder if that will make the ride softer or harder.
@@danielmonighetti3891 I haven’t reviewed a gas Hemi 2500 for a few years. No air suspension on the truck in this video.
Here’s the Ram Hemi 2500 video: 5 Good/Bad Things - 2020 Ram 2500 6.4L V8 Hemi Review
ua-cam.com/video/OTb95xHuhD8/v-deo.html
My 2020 Power Wagon with the 6.4, the mpg is horrible. Between 9 to 14 mpg.. I would definitely say the Rebel is much better than the 6.4 lol
Did usay 99,000 dollars for this Rebel diseal?
That's a lot in Canadian dollars!!! 15 years payments??
I deleted and tuned my 2020 Cummins and I can get 27-28mpg at 65mph. 🤷🏻♂️. I wonder if the Rebel has stiffer suspension, because my 2020 Tradesman rides like a Cadillac. 🤷🏻♂️
Yes I think so cuz of the off road features
Looks like the short people need Herman Munster shoes to get in those trucks.
There's been a lot of hype over this Rebel model and it's available Cummins. What are the functional differences between the Rebel and a standard off-road package 2500? I see the standard off-road pack is able to be equipped with Cummins, 3.73 and limited slip rear diff. Is it just a slight lift and tire package?
Rebel gets a rear locker with both engines. Available winch with the 6.4 Hemi. Standard coil springs and a fixed front swaybar like the 2500 Off Road package.
@@MSparks9509 gotcha. Those are pretty nice to have if you're really pushing it off road.
I have a 2022 Bighorn and average 20-22 mpg.not towing however when I tow our 35 ft fifth wheel and average about 14-16 mpg because of the hill country in some areas of Texas. That mpg may get better in flat roads but haven't gotten there yet.
The Rebel 2500 could get better mpg!! Do a full delete and your power and mpg will shy rocket 🚀
Ram dropping the 1500 eco diesel big mistake.
No one is getting 20-21 mpg with a 6.4 hemi power wagon. If your lucky you get 15-16.
Same comparible truck with diesel vs gasser mileage. Diesel will win unloaded and loaded. The 6.4 Hemi in the 3/4 & 1 ton trucks may get 14-15 mpg unloaded. Same with Ford and GM trucks with diesel vs gassers.
You can see you bouncing along the way nice looking truck. I wonder if gas rides better less weight from engine
IIRC a gas engine truck does ride a lot better. Frankly, I was quite surprised by the ride quality or lack of it. I've been in other Ram HD trucks that ride better.
moon roofs break within a short time and leaks mostly
But diesel fuel is about 2x the price of gas in my area.
WAY, WAY too much money for that truck!
Got rid of the chevy already??
Do some research before you do a review. Side steps and moon roof are both optional. The height of the bed is the same height as a standard 2500 and the reason that the diesel doesn't have a winch is because it won't fit.
Tim I doubt anyone is getting 21mpg in a ram HD 6.4 gas.
Ram. ~~~Let’s add another trim to an outdated truck while the other 2 companies update theirs. The kicker is. We are gonna going to charge a shit load of money for our product and pretend no one will notice.
Rough rider. Take it on a washboard gravel road . It’ll beat the snot out of you. 91 K no way.
Rambox discontinued on 2023 Rams
Is that HD 🤔
Of course the GM trucks ride better. IFS vs a very old school and death wobbling SFA. Lol
Where is the new Chevy?
In the shop for repair 😂😂
^^ can’t
Not to be a Debbie downer but Jesus, this truck is a big disappointment. The price is outrageous to have less towing and payload than the 6.4L yet cost over $8k more. It’s literally a rear locker and some cosmetic differences. All the new trucks will eventually get the new updated electronics and mirrors. At that point, the customer is paying for the reliability of the diesel. They are really paying for it though.
Ok. Debbie... :)
There making these full size trucks too big even at 6ft tall you can reach in the bed to pick up something even with the newer 1/2 ton trucks making them useless for convenience of owning a pick up truck
The increase in capability has to come from somewhere. Don’t get me wrong, I agree with you. It’s kinda ridiculous.
You bought a Ram 2500 Rebel and you're complaining about bed height and a poor ride? Its a lifted truck with larger tires. Of course it has a poor ride, of course your bed is higher off the ground.
Eh, nope. Didn’t buy it. Only review it like the hundreds of other vehicle reviews on this channel.
@@Pickuptrucktalk either way my comment still stands. Bought or “reviewed” makes no difference. Common sense will tell you a lifted truck with big tires will have a poor ride and a higher bed when you compare it to a standard truck as you did in the review.
@@Jock191 It makes a big difference frankly. I’m pointing out the “common sense” as you call it for everyone to understand. Also, I’ve driven several lifted trucks with big tires that ride great. Check out the Ram TRX or the Silverado ZR2. Both trucks are lifted with off-road tires and they ride amazing.
@@Pickuptrucktalk still not the same bud. Both trucks you just mentioned are 1500s, not 2500s. All Heavy Duty trucks will ride worse than their 1/2 ton counter parts. 3/4 and 1 tons have stiffer suspension due to them being able to handle much heavier loads, be it payload or towing. Worse ride and also adds to the height, aside from having larger bodies too. You’re comparing apples to oranges. I’d love to see you do the review comparing this truck against a F250 tremor with 35s and a Chevy 2500 with Z71 package and 35s and then say who has the better ride. If you want to make an honest comparison.
@@Jock191 I have driven the F-250 Tremor. It rides much nicer than stock F-250. The 2500 ZR2 isn’t out yet.
The reason I bring up the others is for perspective. I’ve driven every brand of truck in different configurations over the past decade of doing this job. I pointed out ride quality and bed height like I’ve done on various HD trucks and discussed those pros and cons with numerous engineers and journalists. I don’t just “complain” the sake of complaining. I have real experience and knowledge backing it up.
Talk transmission….to complete the test!!!…hello
Diesel wins fuel economy EITHER way... Gas Never wins. period. Trying to claim a gasser can equal a Diesel in fuel economy is only lieing to oneself to cope.
No way in hell for 92k….
This truck makes 0 sense. Less payload and the towing is on par with the Hemi.
No gas 3/4 ton pickup gets even close to 19mpg, thats just false information.
Okay I'm done about 1% of this video has anything to do with the mileage it sounds like a ad who cares about Chevy seats who needs a fancy intro with snapshots of the picture or a sticker price.
The list of factually wrong statements in this video is pretty high.
Until Ram offers an 8 or 10 speed with the Cummins, I’m out!
6 speeds are less problems
@@wb5352 When it comes to Ram trucks and transmissions, "problems" seem to be the word of the last 12 years. Unless it's an Aisin, which you don't get unless you buy a 1 ton high output, you're stuck with a tranny that's going to give out far too early. My local Ram dealer has a whole host of new diesels they can't sell until they fix the recall on all their transmission issues. It's actually quite irritating to me, because I love the interiors and general look of the truck but I don't want to deal with their ongoing transmission problems.
@Caleb Ledford rumor is the rfe is gone for 2024. At least thats what different you tubers are saying.
@@American_Enigma The thing that causes the Transmissions problems is people upgrading the Cummins Engine with "TUNERS"! I've worked around these trucks ans seen it first hand! If you leave the ENGINE STOCK, that transmission will go many miles!
@@1gr8oil As much as I want you to be correct, this doesn't explain the new trucks that haven't left the back parking lot and been listed for sale (straight from the dealers mouth). Not to mention at least 3 cases I know of personally are stock trucks (Never been plugged into a tuner of any sort). Like I said, killer looking trucks.
Aggressive styling with ultra high quality interiors and excellent engines. Changing the transmission is a must.
Love how your wife says so much more just with body language!
Yep, that yawn says a lot.
No way a gasser in that truck will get anywhere near 20 mpg, probably 12-13.
Tim, not your best review.