This exactly why I went with Ford and the 7.3. Potential lifter/cam failure is the ONLY even semi-serious problem I've heard of and it seems relatively rare, is mostly with cab and chassis truck that idle a lot, almost always happens within warranty if its going to, and isn't a super expensive or extensive repair. I'll take my chances when I know that engine will go 250K miles easy otherwise.
I love my 7.3L 250. Sucks for gas mileage but whatever. It’s such a hassle free power plant that I’ll just have another much cheaper fuel efficient vehicle when I don’t need the truck.
@@FlyingAceAV8B on the fuel mileage aspect, I've owned every gasoline engine ever offered in a super duty. 5.4, 6.8, 6.83 valve, 6.2, 6.2 revised with the g series transmission. All of that is to say, my 7.3 with a 430 rear gets the best fuel mileage I have ever gotten out of a gas heavy duty pickup. I easily get between 15 and 16 unloaded highway.
I know everyone likes what they bought; but having had numerous trucks & RV's over 45 years, i went to gas. Currently towing 8400# tt with a '21 F350,7.3l , 3.73 rear. Tows great with no lack of power going thru the hills & mtns of the Pacific NW & Sisique's as well as the Grapevine & Tehachapi pass in Ca. Rarely use my brakes going down any long hills as well. A recent 4k trip to Az with a camp buddy who runs a diesel with similar tt from Portland thru some serious hills averaged ~1 to1.5 mpg's better than myself. He was also paying $0.50- $1 more per gal and added DEF. His engine cost $10k more as well. I got 10.3mpg he was 11.0 to 11.5; at 62-64 mph. I use tow/haul mode but will manually shift going up or down hills & mtns to avoid 'skip' shift & stay in the torque range. I say get what you want, but a diesel may not be what you need.
The diesel in my opinion is only really needed when towing 10k trailer weight and more or you just want the power of the diesel or its a commercially used trailer hauler! I buy only diesel ,but thats cause i am addicted to the power and use my trucks commercially ! The 7.3 with the 430 gears is the way to go with a gas hd truck .I may buy one as a cheaper dual use truck, A regular cab dually f350 with 7.3 gas and 430 gears ! I had ordered a new 2016 f350 reg cab dually 430 gear & 6.2 gas it towed ok but with a 10k trailer it did it but it just ran wide open and just worked way to hard and after x2 years i trade it in on a 2018 ram 3500 reg cab dually that i am traiding in now on a 2024 f450 reg cab diesel i ordered x2 months ago i cant wait till the 450 is ready to pick up from the dealer!
Definitely gas. Tow a 8500lb TT fully loaded from full time living with 2005 F250 5.4 gas with 4.88 gears and 35in tires. Towes beautifully off the line but not going to win any races over 40mph 😂. Been from socal to East Texas and back averages 10mpg. If flat it's about 2k rpm top gear torque converter locked 55ish mph. Any hill or head wind it's dropping and staying in the 3 to 5k rpm range for power. Did a big ass hill near Texas foot to the floor 30mph tops 5000rpm V8 roarrrrr
The first 10k miles on my 22 F250 7.3 I spent comparing it to the diesel, of which I have driven all. This was foolish. Bottom line a diesel will out run a gasser. Mileage, torque, etc. However, for true cost of ownership, (and I use mine for towing in my equipment rental business, the gasser is proving to be 20-30% cheaper to operate. 16mpg average with no trailer on long trips, 9-10 mpg while towing. The other day I had 20k on the gooseneck ball for 250miles, held 70 mph and average 7mpg. The 10 speed transmission is what makes it possible. No DEF cost, no after treatment issues, $80 oil change using Motorcraft filter and oil, 12k cheaper than a diesel, 1000lbs lighter. 0 issues at 55k miles. The 3.73 gears help remarkably with mpg. Too many people by a diesel pickup to tow big loads 2-3times a year and spend a lot of money to do it. I love the gasser for what I use it for, which is arguably more towing than the average person and if the motor blows up at 100k+ miles, Ill buy a crate motor for 5k and swap it out over the weekend and still be money ahead over a diesel.
That 20k gooseneck makes a big difference too. Use cases like in the video is where the 7.3 makes the most sense over diesel. I could see why some would want more when regularly pulling heavy but the average camper puller could easily get away with the gasser
I ordered my XLT Tremor 7.3 primarily to be my daily driver/long distance driver, that said I'm coming from a Power Wagon as I previously mentioned on your other video. My biggest gripe with my 2018 Ram was it's laughable towing and payload capacity. I didn't even looked at the towing capacity of the F-350 and the F-250 Tremor I originally ordered then I saw the official rating and holy cow was I in for a surprise! Long-term I don't have to worry about towing or payload anymore granted I also be reasonable with my truck making it work as a truck at some point.
Finally have a couple of no fishing days to catch up on your content. Great comparison on these trucks. I'm still happy with my F350 7.3 tremor. It's been fantastic pulling the boat and camper all summer. My averages are 11.7 mpg boat, 8.2 mpg camper and 13.9 mpg empty.
I have a 2024 F350 7.3 with 4.30 gears, I am currently towing a 2019 Cedar Creek 37MBH that weighs 14800 lbs gross across the country. I am pulling hills in 8th gear, 8.3 MPG. Its not a diesel but its as close as you can get without paying for one with all their emissions issues.
Wait till a 6.7 cp4 pump goes out or the emissions need cleaned. Would probably be able to put a new 7.3 lone block in it cheaper than fixing the diesel fuel system@@andymcdonald1129
I have the 2024 XLT F250 7.3 3.73 gears and pulled from SC to Ohio 12000 lbs race car trailer 28ft. I was impressed going threw West Virginia mountains on a 5 1/2 degree grade Hwy 77. I don't have a heavy foot, the truck down shifted to 5th gear and did not go over 4000 rpms and was picking up speed going up the mountain. I averaged 6.5 mpg in mountains and 7.5 on flat land. My truck went into 10th gear on flat land when pulling. The only draw back is gas stations, have to use google map and plan stops using arial view to see what stations are no problems to get in and out of.
I have a 2022 F350 with the 7.3 but I have the 3:73 gears. I live and tow mainly in Michigan. Most of our camping trips with our 35 foot 12,000 lb. fifth wheel have us heading to the Northern lower peninsula. It's a fairly steady up hill climb on I-75. I lock out 9th and 10th gears. If I set the cruise at 70 mph, it will get to 8th gear on flat straight straight sections of road but will downshift to 6th as soon as it looses 2-3 mph. I prefer to lock out 8th when I get to areas that it stats downshifting. It will pull most grades in 7th at about 2800 RPM in 7th gear. Steeper hills I will force 6th gear before I start to climb and will run 3200-3500 rpm's to carry that 70 mph speed. The 10 speed with it's ability to lock out gears and manually shift is a game changer. I have no regrets in going away from my 2004 Ram with a Cummins and I think the 3:73 gears work just fine. If I towed more often than I do I probably would have gone with the 4:30 gears.
Thanks for this. I wish I could test the towability - I have a 34 foot food trailer in clarkston Michigan I need to tow to Texas and was eying the 7.3 after everyone told me I’d need a diesel. I don’t plan on moving that big a load often so I’d love to know the livability/driveability of 250/350 and ratios
@@alltherezechaj If by livability you mean longevity of the engine, keep in mind that Ford designed this as a commercial engine. They intentionally designed the 7.3 to be long lasting. As for the tow ability it’s very capable and is comparable in torque to the late 90’s early 2000’s era diesels but make more HP than they did. I personally like the driving and towing experience of my 2022 XLT better than my 2004 Ram 2500 that had the Cummins.
@@robertweller2662 thanks for this comment. I meant in terms of trying to hunt down a similar budgeted diesel (I don’t have new truck money haha) for one of these - plus the livability in terms of running /maint costs of a diesel. I plan to do odd jobs and actually work with it /diy my own oil/suspension/ anything I can do in my apartment parking spot with a harbor freight jack and I know nothing about diesels but have always kept the gas cars and such running fine. Like DEF and such? Ouch.
@@robertweller2662 the only other thing I’d ask you is if you’ve heard of any years of the 7.3 to avoid (the newer one) or recalls or such your 2022 has had?
Great video. The gas engines are a great alternative for those that don’t tow regularly. With the initial cost of a diesel engine plus the maintenance costs it just doesn’t make much sense. Diesel engines are great but with all the epa restrictions put on them they aren’t made to last anymore.
Exactly right. If you're towing heavy once a week or more, diesel is still the better option. For a weekend warrior like me towing less than 12K less than 10 times a year? Godzilla all the way.
Yes. Absolutely. That was the conclusion that I came to when I sold my Dodge 3500 and bought the gas Ford. What I found, in my experience only, yours may differ, was that towing the same trailer over very much the same route, the mpg favored the diesel by .2 mpg. The unloaded mpg is where the diesel puts distance between the two. I could get about 22 in my diesel (2004) and I am about 13 or so in the 7.3 empty. The Ford is also a heavier truck unloaded, and running 35's with 4:30 gears. A non tremor f250 with 3:45 gears (I think) will be getting closer to 15 or 16. I will say this though: while a gasser will never be on the same playing field with a diesel for power, the 10 speed transmission really narrowed the gap to the point of usable/needed power (power demanded for the pilots out there) in 98% of the cases is achievable with the gasser. So the extra 500 ft lbs of torque is rarely used or needed. It is fun though... The real downside with the gasser is the need to rev out the engine to get to the needed powerband, and the frequency of shifts to keep it where it needs to be.
I have a 16 Ram Cummins. 3.42 35” Falken Wildpeak. I’m @173 k miles. I always lock out 6 th when towing. Always run tow haul mode and exhaust break 100% of the time since new. Been a great truck and I have had zero issues with the 68rfe. Hopefully it will be my last one.
Yeah, I haven’t had any issues with mine either. I’ve never had to lock out an overdrive gear on a diesel towing a trailer this small before. Cummins is a great engine.
Just finished 9200 miles piling by 7500 lb rv. Colorado down to Texas to south Florida up east coast to Maine and back. May 23 7.3 with 3.73 was amazing. Tow mode with ten speed down shisting after touching brake for 2 seconds was great. I drove a 7.3 powerstroke for 26 years. The gas has more torque and same fuel mileage as the powerstroke.
I love American Trucks with large V8‘s! In Europe we would haul a 7500 lb trailer with a small 4 cylinder Diesel. The Isuzu D-MAX for example has a max tow rating of 7716 lb and is powered by a „small“ 2.5 4 cylinder Diesel.
@@adrianzbaeren hey, here from Costa Rica, Central America. Which Dmax? 3.0, 2.5 or 1.9? How is your fuel consumption and durability towing? Greetings
@CTECH-REVIEW had it in the rockys last week had truck camper on it an pulling a 20 foot inclosed trailer with side/side an gear it went up an down like dream an that's with timbren over loads no sway really I've out in Kansas with a good wind
Nice comparison. I went from a 21 Ram 3500 HO/Aisin to 24 F350 7.3/4.30. Towing the 7.3 is not a diesel but does a really good job. I believe 4.30 gears help a lot. With double overdrive there is no need for 3.73.
People get way to caught up on the max possibility of performance their vehicles can offer. And never realize that they will (for most people) never fully utilize it. Consider the trailer used in this video can very comfortablely be pulled, safely, by a middle of the road half ton.
Wow! I'm in the market for a new tow vehicle for our fifth wheel. It's not insanely heavy (11,500 GVWR). We camp mostly locally and maybe once or twice a year, we'll tow a few hundred miles to Branson or Tennessee. Currently have a diesel and I'm getting tired of the ludicrously expensive oil changes, DEF and all that. Looks like I might be leaning toward the 7.3 gas!
I sold my 2011 Duramax a year and a half ago and got a 2022 F-250 with the 7.3L. Absolutely love it! My trailer now is 8200lbs fully loaded and you don’t even know it’s there. And yes, very nice not worrying about DEF/Emissions anymore, either!
Appreciate the road test. I’m not married to any maker of truck. The diesel is smooth and minimal down shift, due to the Turbo! Otherwise diesel would be a turtle lol without boost. You’re comparing diesel turbo to a naturally aspirated 7.3 V8; I have towed over a 100 TT’s with every truck out there. Then back in 2019 I was given a new 3.5 F150 Ecoboost towing a 25TB Airstream from FLA to North Carolina. I felt as if it were in a diesel, learning that it’s the boost that made it so smooth. So from all my experiences with trucks. I now have my own F150 2.7 Ecoboost but I tow way less TT. Yet it’s my everyday driver and average in the city with the A/C on all day here in Miami, FL 17.5-18.2 mpg’s.. And I’m downtown Miami or downtown Coral Gables. I also had the 2.7 Turbomax GMC Elevation. And did slightly better in mpg’s at Hwy speeds but in city it was worse 16.-17.1 mpg’s. But I feel the F150 just felt better overall in comparison and enjoy the big side windows. The RAM is one of my favorite in the Hemi; yet became dated in lacking Boost and 10 spd trans etc. And since I can only own one truck; I went what works for me when towing and decent city mpg’s. Thankfully RAM got on board but due to pressure to meet EPA standards etc. Great Vid …. Thanks
@@CTECH-REVIEW Just subscribed to your channel; you’re on the right track. Glad you will review the 2.7 many of us own it and yet no one is really talking and showing how it tows and if you drive it moderately how good the MPG’s fair in true city conditions or combo city/ hwy etc.. how well are the MPG’s
Crazy…..I get 8.6 mpgs towing that same RV and weight with my Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi 4.10’s on 37’s 🤷♂️ My ZF trans also stays below 200° while towing as well. Just don’t see the advantage to diesel anymore for the casual RV owner. Wish you’d tested a Hemi 6.4 4.10 truck as well. Think you’d be surprised as well!
I think what also hurts is the Cummins is the lowest mpg diesel option for HD too. My powerstroke consistently got 10-20% better fuel mileage. I have another video posting soon. You should watch. I did get much better fuel economy over a 700 mile pull
My 24 gmc 3500 gas pulls this weight daily. Always sits just below 2k rpm cruising and gets 9-11 mpg. The most glaring difference I see between the two is the Trans temp. In 55k miles I've never seen a Trans temp break 200 degrees.
The 7.3L Ford stomps the 6.6L GM in pulling power. See the TFL Ike Gauntlet videos, the 7.3L Godzilla pulled the same 16,000 lb trailer up the mountain over 3 minutes faster than the 6.6L GM (8:42 minutes vs 11:53 minutes). It also had less brake applications going downhill than the 6.6l.
Excellent comparison and two exceptionally nice tow vehicles. I always wonder what folks mean about a truck "working hard" or not "working hard"? Also often wonder why folks worry about an automatic transmission shifting more or less frequently. When did it become so difficult to shift an automatic transmission? That is the entire point of having multiple gears, so that the truck can figure out the best one for each situation and use it. Actually I have been towing a trailer about that size and weight for more than 25,000 miles now with a 2015 F150 3.5 Ecoboost. Did the job beautifully. It had the 6 speed, and while towing in tow/haul mode it would move around between 4th and 6th, and over all those miles I averaged right about 9.8mpg while towing. No complaints there. I just upgraded a couple of weeks ago to a 2022 F150 Powerboost. Tows very similar to the old one, and based on only 500 miles or so of towing so far it seems to get about the same gas mileage. It supposedly has more HP and torque than the Ecoboost, but in real world towing it feels pretty much the same. In Tow/Haul mode it spends most of its time in 8th, but I am working with a pretty tiny sample size with only 3 travel days yet. Happy travels and continued safe towing.
Just to give you an example The 7.3l gas godzilla = stock 6.0 powerstroke engine wise just with a little less TORQUE So, Although I have a 6.0 powerstroke, in 20 years if Im still alive ill be looking for the godzillas.
I'm thinking of doing a swap (here with a 6.0) bulletproof vs Godzilla 7.3. Maaan, I'm gonna be crazy if I continue thinking about it 😂😂 (I live in Central America, so I'm out of US jurisdiction about emissions 😂😂, thinking a diesel a swap too, here we need torque and fuel economy, we don't need horsepower)
Tough call. Depends on your use case. Do you drive long highway towing at higher speeds? Lots of mountains or high elevations? That’s where diesel really shines over gas. I could easily see my next hd truck being a 7.3l for my use. 3k-9k enclosed trailers for midwestern use!
@@FlyingAceAV8B7th is the gear where the input shaft spins the same as the output shaft. But then there’s another reduction that happens in the diff and that varies depending on how your truck is configured. A 1:1 ratio doesn’t mean your drive wheels are spinning at the same RPM as your engine.
The Duke says, they're made to operate at higher temperatures for some reason. My 10-speed works great. I have no issues with it. What did I teach you?
I'm towing about the same thing you have in that Passport with a 6.4 Hemi 6.7 Bed. I do have a 3.73 rear end but I also have 3K payload and 15K max tow and so running under 9K loaded and maybe 900 loaded tongue weight I have lots o room to spare. I live in MT at 4500 feet so everywhere I go involves at a minimum one pass or two. I'm beating your MPG on that Godzilla by around .5 plus or minus and often am over 8 mpg on the flat and I don't want a Diesel. So, IF you are looking don't count the Ram Hemi out and since they got the new mirrors, they addressed my last nagging issue... AND, I'm NOT ragging on the Godzilla. It seems like a very nice engine and so far appears to be pretty robust. I am intriqued and IF I were shopping, I would definitely take a look seriously at one. That's a lot of power and in a gas package and I'm sure you are beating my max tow by a ton or two...with the 4.10. Bottom line for me is I like the no muss no fuss of gas but don't forget, the Ram next years Cummins will have a new transmission also. That will be interesting to see what it can do but I'm staying away from Diesel for life.
You got same, mpg in the diesel. That I get pulling a 10,200lbs 5th wheel. With a Ram 2500 6.4 with 4:10 gears. I kinda want a diesel since I tow a lot and heavy, but still not sure.
I have a '21 Tremor with 7.3. Last summer I did a 6000 mile cross country trip. Starting from Auburn CA, through NV, UT, WY, NE, IA,IL, KY, TN, AR, TX, NM, AZ and through 29 Palms back to Auburn. I have a 12.5k fifth wheel (was 20,500 gvw) and averaged 9.8 mpg for the trip. So I am wondering why your mileage was so much poorer?
My guess would be, speed. 7.3's can get pretty darn good fuel mileage but anything over 65 and it plummets like a rock. I'll bet in this test if he would have dropped it 5 mph it would have beaten that Cummins for a few mileage.
The only thing besides the constant shifting from a gasser is the transmission temperature they run at..cummins is always around 192ish..atf starts breaking down around 235..thats gotta be harder on them...Love the cummins engine brake
You're comparing to vastly different transmissions with two vastly different transmission fluids. The new mercon LV that the Ford 10-speed uses is designed to run at a much higher temperature. The internal thermostat in the transmission doesn't even open until 218
Lástima que ya no produzcan las F100 y F4000 de allá. Ya que anda por acá, Ud sabe qué tal salieron las F100 y F4000 con Cummins ISF 2.8 (Cummins R2.8 para USA)? Gracias y saludos dssde Costa Rica, Centroamérica.
The GM 4 Cylinder 2.7T will hold overdrive also (maybe not with that load, not sure). It has a turbo and it's a 1/2 ton but that engine is a MONSTER when compared to all light duty v8s. Surprised how well the zilla did... can you test a TurboMAX 2.7 with the same trailer?
Thank you for the comment! Sorry to hear about that. Which your truck did you have? What happened to it? I think this engine is amazing as long as it’s reliable. But Diesel is so far superior for power.
My brother bought a 22 4wd gasser pulling about the same size camper.Last month,Ford put a new engine in it.After 30,000 miles the engine developed a tick that Ford could not diagnose without a full teardown so they put a new engine in for him.
The 6.7 had a 18% better mpg number over the 7.3. In my area of the country diesel is 30% more expensive than 87 octane gas. Advantage 7.3. Also the tremor isn't the best towing option in the Super Duty lineup, increased ride height, 4.30s and larger AT tires, both contribute to lower mpg figures.
@@CTECH-REVIEW we towed a 6500lb camper from TN to ME thru the Appalachians up to the White Mountains...hand calculated 8.6mpg for the entire trip. The 7.3 is an excellent HD engine option for probably 95% of recreational towers. The 10R140 is garbage in my experience.
I would lock 6th out when I towed with my 2017 2500 6.7, the 3.42 would lug the engine resulting in lower exhaust temps and more regens. When I towed with my 2020 F250. 7.3/3.55 I would lock out 9th and 10th gears to prevent unnecessary shifting. The 7.3 is an awesome engine.
@@M_dot202 I see your point. But 9200 miles pulling same trailer just got back Colorado to Texas to south Florida to Maine and back I had no need to lock anything out. Just let it do its shifting. Please show engine bracking in tow mode. Lightly touch brake for two seconds let up and it down shifts. This was amazing slowing down on off ramps etc. hill decent etc. I live in colorado on 70 and have done the I gonlet. Amazing. Thanks for the great video
I had the 6.6 with the 10 speed Allison got rid of it. The transmission was messed up super hard shift from 7 to 8 gear. Even before I had that trouble it was WEAK. I pull a 7,500 pound TT. That truck couldn’t pull a greasy string out a cats ass. It was gutless.
Why would someone thing that the 7.3 would struggle with a 7,600 lb trailer? My 3.5 eco boost didn’t struggle at all with a 6,88 lb trailer and the 7.3 is a huge V8.
Engine braking was not shown while in tow mode. Touch brake for two seconds and show downshifting. Again 8 9 and 10 are overdrives. Think you need to do another video with my three comments below. Also the 7.3 trans is the same 140 trans in the powerstroke.
@@bparker8195 Our roads are pretty crowned here which in many cases requires you to put a little angle to the wheel to keep truck straight. I dont recall it being off from straight.
@@mojo4376 I was sadly struggling with both...that is for another story, not super happy with the sway control I had setup on this hitch. More to this to come soon!
I would love to do that. I’ve been looking for one of those trucks in a crew cab 4 x 4, with the 10 speed transmission for over a year. Those things are harder to find than a raptor R
@@CTECH-REVIEW 65-70. I never get in a hurry. And I do try to ride behind tractor trailers as much as possible. That really helps. I've gotten as much as 10.5mpg following a tractor trailer going down 81s in VA. For about 200 miles. Then I got off the exit to get gas.
Watching in my 8.1 silverado 2500. Diesels were awesome and the answer until govt ruined it! I bet none of govt trucks got any of the emissions crap! "Rules for thy not for me"
this compare is a little off. should have just let the F250 do the trans hunting, yes, it does affect MPG, but the compare isnt fair when you didnt play with the trans on the 2500. Also, the weights were also off, you ran with over 1/2 tank of fuel on the 2500 and only 1/4 tank of fuel on the F250, which matters. Instant MPG is useless. Lets also talk about fuel up frequency and difficulty. F250 you get stuck in the gas lanes, 2500 you can use truck lanes. Re-sale value > Diesel. Longevity > Diesel. Fuel cost? I would say fairly even. Put 10k on both trucks and see the GIANT difference in performance between the two. 7k is nothing for either of these trucks. Even though not a 1:1 comparison, still an ok one. Also, terrain matters, come out west and do this compare, diesel outperforms all day long.
The longevity argument is a relic from 20 years ago. That’s no longer an advantage for diesels with all the emissions crap on them. I have a F350 with the 7.3 and pulled a 28’ enclosed (35’ overall length) cargo trailer from Sacramento to San Diego and the truck stop argument is spot on. I had to be very carful and deliberate on where to fuel up. Had my co-driver looking up satellite images of upcoming gas stations to make sure we have room to get in and out. Ive had the truck for nearly a year and it’s been the only time I wanted a diesel, for that reason alone. I ordered a 58 gallon replacement fuel tank after that trip. Still waiting on it to arrive.
I've got the same problem with gas stations. 2022 GMC 2500 6.6 gas and a 36' 5th wheel. I've learned that most flying Js have rv gas lanes. And yes google satellite is your friend!
@@JasonParks-k4mthis is something that actually makes Ford's connected navigation possibly worth the cost. I haven't used it myself yet but from my research, when you use trailer routing and search for gas stations along the route, it will prioritize stations that are known to fit RVs, like Flying J's or Pacific Prides.
@@techs1smh13 yup. I still have a gasser though. I only tow occasionally (travel trailer). Ram 6.4 it does what I need it to but I does gear hunting often
Not sure what trailers you have been using on your trailers, but the trailers and RV's I've been towing have 87mph tires on them. I have a 47' Jayco Seismic with 6 Goodyear beast tires and they are awesome. I have an F450 and on the open highway, she pulls that monster at 70+ mph in CC no problem, steep hills or not. Buy better trailers maybe.
One caveat! About this truck if you buy it as you’re only vehicle, you will spend five to $600 a month as a daily driver equivalent of another vehicle payment in gas! Too many people forget this. I have friends who owned one and they quickly realized they were spending twice as much on fuel as they had previously don’t buy this vehicle as a daily driver the gentleman who makes this video owns many trucks and has a lot of money fuel. Mileage is not a factor in his life and when you try to resell your Ford Tremor, you will take a $15,000 hit immediately Yeah, let’s thank Dodge for keeping Ford honest. they are the reason that Ford had to make the 73 since Ford was forcing V6 twin turbo engines on everybody, including the raptor and the F150 and they were garbage to tow with. They thought people would love to listen to a six cylinder engine whining out at 3500 RPMs all day long while towing, stupid Ford. The coyote is too small to tow with as well so Ford had to match Dodge in Power so they were forced to reinvent another push rod engine, which brought the 73 and now it’s in everything instead of the sixes thank you for keeping honest without competition they would never innovate.
I just watched a video guy had a 7.3 towing a 12,500 lbs 5th wheel said I didn't hear him say miles but said he towed 13 hours wit no fuel stop I don't believe that for a second I can't do that with my diesel unless I'm on fumes and won't push my truck below 1/4 tank
Push rod, port injection, no turbos, no EGR emissions crap. So smart by Ford to come out with this engine. Thanks for the video.
This exactly why I went with Ford and the 7.3.
Potential lifter/cam failure is the ONLY even semi-serious problem I've heard of and it seems relatively rare, is mostly with cab and chassis truck that idle a lot, almost always happens within warranty if its going to, and isn't a super expensive or extensive repair. I'll take my chances when I know that engine will go 250K miles easy otherwise.
Completely agree!
7.3 is a beast
I love my 7.3L 250. Sucks for gas mileage but whatever. It’s such a hassle free power plant that I’ll just have another much cheaper fuel efficient vehicle when I don’t need the truck.
@@FlyingAceAV8B on the fuel mileage aspect, I've owned every gasoline engine ever offered in a super duty. 5.4, 6.8, 6.83 valve, 6.2, 6.2 revised with the g series transmission. All of that is to say, my 7.3 with a 430 rear gets the best fuel mileage I have ever gotten out of a gas heavy duty pickup. I easily get between 15 and 16 unloaded highway.
I know everyone likes what they bought; but having had numerous trucks & RV's over 45 years, i went to gas. Currently towing 8400# tt with a '21 F350,7.3l , 3.73 rear. Tows great with no lack of power going thru the hills & mtns of the Pacific NW & Sisique's as well as the Grapevine & Tehachapi pass in Ca. Rarely use my brakes going down any long hills as well. A recent 4k trip to Az with a camp buddy who runs a diesel with similar tt from Portland thru some serious hills averaged ~1 to1.5 mpg's better than myself. He was also paying $0.50- $1 more per gal and added DEF. His engine cost $10k more as well. I got 10.3mpg he was 11.0 to 11.5; at 62-64 mph. I use tow/haul mode but will manually shift going up or down hills & mtns to avoid 'skip' shift & stay in the torque range. I say get what you want, but a diesel may not be what you need.
Thank you for the comment. You will love my next video!
The diesel in my opinion is only really needed when towing 10k trailer weight and more or you just want the power of the diesel or its a commercially used trailer hauler! I buy only diesel ,but thats cause i am addicted to the power and use my trucks commercially ! The 7.3 with the 430 gears is the way to go with a gas hd truck .I may buy one as a cheaper dual use truck, A regular cab dually f350 with 7.3 gas and 430 gears ! I had ordered a new 2016 f350 reg cab dually 430 gear & 6.2 gas it towed ok but with a 10k trailer it did it but it just ran wide open and just worked way to hard and after x2 years i trade it in on a 2018 ram 3500 reg cab dually that i am traiding in now on a 2024 f450 reg cab diesel i ordered x2 months ago i cant wait till the 450 is ready to pick up from the dealer!
Definitely gas. Tow a 8500lb TT fully loaded from full time living with 2005 F250 5.4 gas with 4.88 gears and 35in tires. Towes beautifully off the line but not going to win any races over 40mph 😂. Been from socal to East Texas and back averages 10mpg. If flat it's about 2k rpm top gear torque converter locked 55ish mph. Any hill or head wind it's dropping and staying in the 3 to 5k rpm range for power. Did a big ass hill near Texas foot to the floor 30mph tops 5000rpm V8 roarrrrr
The first 10k miles on my 22 F250 7.3 I spent comparing it to the diesel, of which I have driven all. This was foolish. Bottom line a diesel will out run a gasser. Mileage, torque, etc. However, for true cost of ownership, (and I use mine for towing in my equipment rental business, the gasser is proving to be 20-30% cheaper to operate. 16mpg average with no trailer on long trips, 9-10 mpg while towing. The other day I had 20k on the gooseneck ball for 250miles, held 70 mph and average 7mpg. The 10 speed transmission is what makes it possible. No DEF cost, no after treatment issues, $80 oil change using Motorcraft filter and oil, 12k cheaper than a diesel, 1000lbs lighter. 0 issues at 55k miles. The 3.73 gears help remarkably with mpg. Too many people by a diesel pickup to tow big loads 2-3times a year and spend a lot of money to do it. I love the gasser for what I use it for, which is arguably more towing than the average person and if the motor blows up at 100k+ miles, Ill buy a crate motor for 5k and swap it out over the weekend and still be money ahead over a diesel.
Great comment. Completely agree
That 20k gooseneck makes a big difference too. Use cases like in the video is where the 7.3 makes the most sense over diesel. I could see why some would want more when regularly pulling heavy but the average camper puller could easily get away with the gasser
I ordered my XLT Tremor 7.3 primarily to be my daily driver/long distance driver, that said I'm coming from a Power Wagon as I previously mentioned on your other video. My biggest gripe with my 2018 Ram was it's laughable towing and payload capacity. I didn't even looked at the towing capacity of the F-350 and the F-250 Tremor I originally ordered then I saw the official rating and holy cow was I in for a surprise! Long-term I don't have to worry about towing or payload anymore granted I also be reasonable with my truck making it work as a truck at some point.
Thank you for the comment!
Finally have a couple of no fishing days to catch up on your content. Great comparison on these trucks. I'm still happy with my F350 7.3 tremor. It's been fantastic pulling the boat and camper all summer. My averages are 11.7 mpg boat, 8.2 mpg camper and 13.9 mpg empty.
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I have a 2024 F350 7.3 with 4.30 gears, I am currently towing a 2019 Cedar Creek 37MBH that weighs 14800 lbs gross across the country. I am pulling hills in 8th gear, 8.3 MPG. Its not a diesel but its as close as you can get without paying for one with all their emissions issues.
Awesome. 7.3 impresses me. You will like next video!
Yeah wait until that 7.3 drops a lifter we’ll see how much you like it. Fords are the reason built back better was created. Soooo good luck bub!!
Wait till a 6.7 cp4 pump goes out or the emissions need cleaned. Would probably be able to put a new 7.3 lone block in it cheaper than fixing the diesel fuel system@@andymcdonald1129
@@andymcdonald1129It's not an LT1.
@@andymcdonald1129Go shit on someone else’s corn flakes.
I have the 2024 XLT F250 7.3 3.73 gears and pulled from SC to Ohio 12000 lbs race car trailer 28ft. I was impressed going threw West Virginia mountains on a 5 1/2 degree grade Hwy 77. I don't have a heavy foot, the truck down shifted to 5th gear and did not go over 4000 rpms and was picking up speed going up the mountain. I averaged 6.5 mpg in mountains and 7.5 on flat land. My truck went into 10th gear on flat land when pulling. The only draw back is gas stations, have to use google map and plan stops using arial view to see what stations are no problems to get in and out of.
That's great to hear that you were impressed with the 7.3L in the mountains! I love the 7.3 best gas HD engine I have towed with.
I have a 2022 F350 with the 7.3 but I have the 3:73 gears. I live and tow mainly in Michigan. Most of our camping trips with our 35 foot 12,000 lb. fifth wheel have us heading to the Northern lower peninsula. It's a fairly steady up hill climb on I-75. I lock out 9th and 10th gears. If I set the cruise at 70 mph, it will get to 8th gear on flat straight straight sections of road but will downshift to 6th as soon as it looses 2-3 mph. I prefer to lock out 8th when I get to areas that it stats downshifting. It will pull most grades in 7th at about 2800 RPM in 7th gear. Steeper hills I will force 6th gear before I start to climb and will run 3200-3500 rpm's to carry that 70 mph speed. The 10 speed with it's ability to lock out gears and manually shift is a game changer. I have no regrets in going away from my 2004 Ram with a Cummins and I think the 3:73 gears work just fine. If I towed more often than I do I probably would have gone with the 4:30 gears.
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Thanks for this. I wish I could test the towability - I have a 34 foot food trailer in clarkston Michigan I need to tow to Texas and was eying the 7.3 after everyone told me I’d need a diesel. I don’t plan on moving that big a load often so I’d love to know the livability/driveability of 250/350 and ratios
@@alltherezechaj If by livability you mean longevity of the engine, keep in mind that Ford designed this as a commercial engine. They intentionally designed the 7.3 to be long lasting. As for the tow ability it’s very capable and is comparable in torque to the late 90’s early 2000’s era diesels but make more HP than they did. I personally like the driving and towing experience of my 2022 XLT better than my 2004 Ram 2500 that had the Cummins.
@@robertweller2662 thanks for this comment. I meant in terms of trying to hunt down a similar budgeted diesel (I don’t have new truck money haha) for one of these - plus the livability in terms of running /maint costs of a diesel. I plan to do odd jobs and actually work with it /diy my own oil/suspension/ anything I can do in my apartment parking spot with a harbor freight jack and I know nothing about diesels but have always kept the gas cars and such running fine. Like DEF and such? Ouch.
@@robertweller2662 the only other thing I’d ask you is if you’ve heard of any years of the 7.3 to avoid (the newer one) or recalls or such your 2022 has had?
Great video. The gas engines are a great alternative for those that don’t tow regularly. With the initial cost of a diesel engine plus the maintenance costs it just doesn’t make much sense. Diesel engines are great but with all the epa restrictions put on them they aren’t made to last anymore.
Exactly right. If you're towing heavy once a week or more, diesel is still the better option. For a weekend warrior like me towing less than 12K less than 10 times a year? Godzilla all the way.
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Yes. Absolutely. That was the conclusion that I came to when I sold my Dodge 3500 and bought the gas Ford. What I found, in my experience only, yours may differ, was that towing the same trailer over very much the same route, the mpg favored the diesel by .2 mpg. The unloaded mpg is where the diesel puts distance between the two. I could get about 22 in my diesel (2004) and I am about 13 or so in the 7.3 empty. The Ford is also a heavier truck unloaded, and running 35's with 4:30 gears. A non tremor f250 with 3:45 gears (I think) will be getting closer to 15 or 16.
I will say this though: while a gasser will never be on the same playing field with a diesel for power, the 10 speed transmission really narrowed the gap to the point of usable/needed power (power demanded for the pilots out there) in 98% of the cases is achievable with the gasser. So the extra 500 ft lbs of torque is rarely used or needed. It is fun though...
The real downside with the gasser is the need to rev out the engine to get to the needed powerband, and the frequency of shifts to keep it where it needs to be.
I have a 16 Ram Cummins. 3.42 35” Falken Wildpeak. I’m @173 k miles. I always lock out 6 th when towing. Always run tow haul mode and exhaust break 100% of the time since new. Been a great truck and I have had zero issues with the 68rfe. Hopefully it will be my last one.
Yeah, I haven’t had any issues with mine either. I’ve never had to lock out an overdrive gear on a diesel towing a trailer this small before. Cummins is a great engine.
Best truck is a 2018 cummins
Just finished 9200 miles piling by 7500 lb rv. Colorado down to Texas to south Florida up east coast to Maine and back. May 23 7.3 with 3.73 was amazing. Tow mode with ten speed down shisting after touching brake for 2 seconds was great. I drove a 7.3 powerstroke for 26 years. The gas has more torque and same fuel mileage as the powerstroke.
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I love American Trucks with large V8‘s!
In Europe we would haul a 7500 lb trailer with a small 4 cylinder Diesel.
The Isuzu D-MAX for example has a max tow rating of 7716 lb and is powered by a „small“ 2.5 4 cylinder Diesel.
@@estebanamador7601 is a ford 7.3 Godzilla gas. Thanks
@@adrianzbaeren hey, here from Costa Rica, Central America. Which Dmax? 3.0, 2.5 or 1.9? How is your fuel consumption and durability towing? Greetings
@bparkinson1234 sorry, my cellphone did a mistake and didn't tag @adrianzbaeren correctly.
9.5 Mpg with my 2024 7.3 I was about 8000 lbs I love the power the engine is a beast the rest of the truck I've had problems with
Awesome! Nice truck
@CTECH-REVIEW had it in the rockys last week had truck camper on it an pulling a 20 foot inclosed trailer with side/side an gear it went up an down like dream an that's with timbren over loads no sway really I've out in Kansas with a good wind
2006 Silverado 6.0 just did same weight admittedly struggled up steep mountains but did great everywhere else 7 mpg. 13 grand an it's paid for 💪
Nice work!
Nice comparison. I went from a 21 Ram 3500 HO/Aisin to 24 F350 7.3/4.30. Towing the 7.3 is not a diesel but does a really good job. I believe 4.30 gears help a lot. With double overdrive there is no need for 3.73.
Great point!
Triple overdrive
Have the same and it pulls my 14k dump trailer without breaking a sweat.
8th and 9th are very close to the old 5th and 6th gears with the 10th in the new trannys being the extra OD.
What is double overdrive? I have a 7.3 with 4.3gears
People get way to caught up on the max possibility of performance their vehicles can offer. And never realize that they will (for most people) never fully utilize it. Consider the trailer used in this video can very comfortablely be pulled, safely, by a middle of the road half ton.
Very good point!
Wow! I'm in the market for a new tow vehicle for our fifth wheel. It's not insanely heavy (11,500 GVWR). We camp mostly locally and maybe once or twice a year, we'll tow a few hundred miles to Branson or Tennessee. Currently have a diesel and I'm getting tired of the ludicrously expensive oil changes, DEF and all that. Looks like I might be leaning toward the 7.3 gas!
Thanks for watching. Make sure to see the other two videos in this series! You will like!
I sold my 2011 Duramax a year and a half ago and got a 2022 F-250 with the 7.3L. Absolutely love it! My trailer now is 8200lbs fully loaded and you don’t even know it’s there. And yes, very nice not worrying about DEF/Emissions anymore, either!
Great video! Thanks for taking the time to share.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Appreciate the road test. I’m not married to any maker of truck. The diesel is smooth and minimal down shift, due to the Turbo! Otherwise diesel would be a turtle lol without boost. You’re comparing diesel turbo to a naturally aspirated 7.3 V8; I have towed over a 100 TT’s with every truck out there. Then back in 2019 I was given a new 3.5 F150 Ecoboost towing a 25TB Airstream from FLA to North Carolina. I felt as if it were in a diesel, learning that it’s the boost that made it so smooth. So from all my experiences with trucks.
I now have my own F150 2.7 Ecoboost but I tow way less TT. Yet it’s my everyday driver and average in the city with the A/C on all day here in Miami, FL 17.5-18.2 mpg’s.. And I’m downtown Miami or downtown Coral Gables. I also had the 2.7 Turbomax GMC Elevation. And did slightly better in mpg’s at Hwy speeds but in city it was worse 16.-17.1 mpg’s. But I feel the F150 just felt better overall in comparison and enjoy the big side windows. The RAM is one of my favorite in the Hemi; yet became dated in lacking Boost and 10 spd trans etc. And since I can only own one truck; I went what works for me when towing and decent city mpg’s. Thankfully RAM got on board but due to pressure to meet EPA standards etc. Great Vid …. Thanks
Thank you for watching! You will see I have owned a 2.7 and love that engine! Video 3 coming soon
Which non turbo diesel would you like him to compare it to?
@@CTECH-REVIEW Just subscribed to your channel; you’re on the right track. Glad you will review the 2.7 many of us own it and yet no one is really talking and showing how it tows and if you drive it moderately how good the MPG’s fair in true city conditions or combo city/ hwy etc.. how well are the MPG’s
Thanks for watching! good stuff to come!
Crazy…..I get 8.6 mpgs towing that same RV and weight with my Ram 2500 6.4 Hemi 4.10’s on 37’s 🤷♂️ My ZF trans also stays below 200° while towing as well.
Just don’t see the advantage to diesel anymore for the casual RV owner.
Wish you’d tested a Hemi 6.4 4.10 truck as well. Think you’d be surprised as well!
I think what also hurts is the Cummins is the lowest mpg diesel option for HD too. My powerstroke consistently got 10-20% better fuel mileage. I have another video posting soon. You should watch. I did get much better fuel economy over a 700 mile pull
Wow. Pushing 37s that's impressive.
Nice! Liked your impressions and review!
Awesome, thank you!
Great review, did you say how much the trailer you are towing weighs? I may have missed it.
no problem! thank you for watching. Around 8500lbs
Love my 2024 7.3L. I have it in the tremor and I tow heavy every once in a while without any worries.
Heck ya!
My 24 gmc 3500 gas pulls this weight daily. Always sits just below 2k rpm cruising and gets 9-11 mpg. The most glaring difference I see between the two is the Trans temp. In 55k miles I've never seen a Trans temp break 200 degrees.
Impressive!! Thanks for sharing
The 7.3L Ford stomps the 6.6L GM in pulling power. See the TFL Ike Gauntlet videos, the 7.3L Godzilla pulled the same 16,000 lb trailer up the mountain over 3 minutes faster than the 6.6L GM (8:42 minutes vs 11:53 minutes). It also had less brake applications going downhill than the 6.6l.
@@PlayWaves1was that a '24 GM gasser (with their updated 10spd, instead of the prior 6spd)?
Excellent comparison and two exceptionally nice tow vehicles. I always wonder what folks mean about a truck "working hard" or not "working hard"? Also often wonder why folks worry about an automatic transmission shifting more or less frequently. When did it become so difficult to shift an automatic transmission? That is the entire point of having multiple gears, so that the truck can figure out the best one for each situation and use it. Actually I have been towing a trailer about that size and weight for more than 25,000 miles now with a 2015 F150 3.5 Ecoboost. Did the job beautifully. It had the 6 speed, and while towing in tow/haul mode it would move around between 4th and 6th, and over all those miles I averaged right about 9.8mpg while towing. No complaints there. I just upgraded a couple of weeks ago to a 2022 F150 Powerboost. Tows very similar to the old one, and based on only 500 miles or so of towing so far it seems to get about the same gas mileage. It supposedly has more HP and torque than the Ecoboost, but in real world towing it feels pretty much the same. In Tow/Haul mode it spends most of its time in 8th, but I am working with a pretty tiny sample size with only 3 travel days yet. Happy travels and continued safe towing.
Thank you for the kind words and for watching !
Just to give you an example
The 7.3l gas godzilla = stock 6.0 powerstroke engine wise just with a little less TORQUE
So, Although I have a 6.0 powerstroke, in 20 years if Im still alive ill be looking for the godzillas.
That makes a lot of sense!
I'm thinking of doing a swap (here with a 6.0) bulletproof vs Godzilla 7.3. Maaan, I'm gonna be crazy if I continue thinking about it 😂😂 (I live in Central America, so I'm out of US jurisdiction about emissions 😂😂, thinking a diesel a swap too, here we need torque and fuel economy, we don't need horsepower)
I have a 2024 chevy 3500 with the 6.6l gas i have gross out at over 25000lbs a few times and it does well i have no complaints about it.
Thanks for shairing!
@@CTECH-REVIEW I wanted a 7.3 ford dually with the 4.30 but my ford dealer wouldn't let me order one
Why not?
I had one ,I only towed one time ,9 k ,it did it easy ,it also got 18 mpg empty highway. I traded it for a diesel. I wish I had it back .
@@bigmurph1447You’ve got the wrong dealer, then.
Would you recommend it for daily use towing 8-10 k ? Ford 7.3 that is ?
Tough call. Depends on your use case. Do you drive long highway towing at higher speeds? Lots of mountains or high elevations? That’s where diesel really shines over gas. I could easily see my next hd truck being a 7.3l for my use. 3k-9k enclosed trailers for midwestern use!
The Ram would do a little better on MPG using Auto Exhaust Brake. I probably missed it but what gear ratio did each truck have.
Nice video. Any thoughts on the 6.7 powerstroke
great motor! I have had a few of them!
Great vid with a lot of good details!
Glad you liked it! More to come!
Good vid, anything above 7th is overdrive on the super duty. 7th is the 1:1 gear
Thanks for the comment!
I thought it was 8th year based on what I’ve seen. 7th sounds too low to be 1:1 based on my RPM.
@@FlyingAceAV8B7th is the gear where the input shaft spins the same as the output shaft. But then there’s another reduction that happens in the diff and that varies depending on how your truck is configured. A 1:1 ratio doesn’t mean your drive wheels are spinning at the same RPM as your engine.
@@jabroni6199 I know what 1:1 means. I’m just saying that it’s in 8th gear based on what I’ve seen and heard before, not 7th.
@@FlyingAceAV8B it didn’t sound like you knew because you mentioned engine RPM. 7th is the 1:1.
I enjoyed your video and information.
What wheels do you have on the Ram?
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Mike
Thank you for watching! Race line gauge wheels!
That 10 speed sure runs hot, I'd be worried if my 68 was ever above 185°. The Ford did well though.
I agree! All ford trans seem to run 200 with no load on them!
Those ford trannys with their fluid gets hotter than a 68rfe and is normal for fords with there setup. The fluid can take those 200 degree temps.
The Duke says, they're made to operate at higher temperatures for some reason. My 10-speed works great. I have no issues with it.
What did I teach you?
I'm towing about the same thing you have in that Passport with a 6.4 Hemi 6.7 Bed. I do have a 3.73 rear end but I also have 3K payload and 15K max tow and so running under 9K loaded and maybe 900 loaded tongue weight I have lots o room to spare.
I live in MT at 4500 feet so everywhere I go involves at a minimum one pass or two. I'm beating your MPG on that Godzilla by around .5 plus or minus and often am over 8 mpg on the flat and I don't want a Diesel. So, IF you are looking don't count the Ram Hemi out and since they got the new mirrors, they addressed my last nagging issue...
AND, I'm NOT ragging on the Godzilla. It seems like a very nice engine and so far appears to be pretty robust. I am intriqued and IF I were shopping, I would definitely take a look seriously at one. That's a lot of power and in a gas package and I'm sure you are beating my max tow by a ton or two...with the 4.10.
Bottom line for me is I like the no muss no fuss of gas but don't forget, the Ram next years Cummins will have a new transmission also. That will be interesting to see what it can do but I'm staying away from Diesel for life.
Ram 6.4 is a great option!
You got same, mpg in the diesel. That I get pulling a 10,200lbs 5th wheel. With a Ram 2500 6.4 with 4:10 gears. I kinda want a diesel since I tow a lot and heavy, but still not sure.
Nice. That’s great fuel mileage! I have another towing video coming soon you might like.
I have a '21 Tremor with 7.3. Last summer I did a 6000 mile cross country trip. Starting from Auburn CA, through NV, UT, WY, NE, IA,IL, KY, TN, AR, TX, NM, AZ and through 29 Palms back to Auburn. I have a 12.5k fifth wheel (was 20,500 gvw) and averaged 9.8 mpg for the trip. So I am wondering why your mileage was so much poorer?
Impressive fuel economy. Our conditions in Michigan are windy and fast speeds.
My guess would be, speed. 7.3's can get pretty darn good fuel mileage but anything over 65 and it plummets like a rock.
I'll bet in this test if he would have dropped it 5 mph it would have beaten that Cummins for a few mileage.
@CTECH-REVIEW tell me you haven't been to Wyoming without telling me you haven't been to Wyoming. And add 7200 ft elevation too.
Pulled enclosed trailers out there 3-4 times. A lot of wind!
The only thing besides the constant shifting from a gasser is the transmission temperature they run at..cummins is always around 192ish..atf starts breaking down around 235..thats gotta be harder on them...Love the cummins engine brake
That’s more of a ford thing…even the powerstrokes run about 210-220. My Cummins runs a constant 168-170 towing 12k unless it’s in stop and go traffic.
@@slidewide1999I've heard this too and that they're designed for the higher temps so it's fine. Probably 😅
My 2011 F150 EB trans temps were in the 210-220 range and I called the dealer to see if something was wrong. They said it was normal.
Thanks for the comment!
You're comparing to vastly different transmissions with two vastly different transmission fluids. The new mercon LV that the Ford 10-speed uses is designed to run at a much higher temperature. The internal thermostat in the transmission doesn't even open until 218
Muy bueno el video,cummins excelente motor saludos desde Córdoba Argentina
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Lástima que ya no produzcan las F100 y F4000 de allá. Ya que anda por acá, Ud sabe qué tal salieron las F100 y F4000 con Cummins ISF 2.8 (Cummins R2.8 para USA)? Gracias y saludos dssde Costa Rica, Centroamérica.
The GM 4 Cylinder 2.7T will hold overdrive also (maybe not with that load, not sure). It has a turbo and it's a 1/2 ton but that engine is a MONSTER when compared to all light duty v8s. Surprised how well the zilla did... can you test a TurboMAX 2.7 with the same trailer?
I would love to do that test!
Just sold my POS 7.3 Ford gasser! Went back to a diesel, maybe I got a lemon but it was defiantly a POS!
Thank you for the comment! Sorry to hear about that. Which your truck did you have? What happened to it? I think this engine is amazing as long as it’s reliable. But Diesel is so far superior for power.
doesnt mean they are all bad .
Very good video but I personally still prefer the diesel but I do too heavier than that at times
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@@CTECH-REVIEW this was the first video I have ever seen from you, but I did like it. I will look for more.
The PowerStroke would smoke that Cummins and the difference would be even greater when comparing the two trucks. Great video though.
I do believe my powerstroke got 10-15% better fuel economy than my Cummins
My brother bought a 22 4wd gasser pulling about the same size camper.Last month,Ford put a new engine in it.After 30,000 miles the engine developed a tick that Ford could not diagnose without a full teardown so they put a new engine in for him.
Wow what a bummer!!
A lifter? Did he idle too much? Thanks
Would love to see a heavier 5th wheel test on the 7.3
Yes me too!
The 6.7 had a 18% better mpg number over the 7.3. In my area of the country diesel is 30% more expensive than 87 octane gas. Advantage 7.3. Also the tremor isn't the best towing option in the Super Duty lineup, increased ride height, 4.30s and larger AT tires, both contribute to lower mpg figures.
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@@CTECH-REVIEW we towed a 6500lb camper from TN to ME thru the Appalachians up to the White Mountains...hand calculated 8.6mpg for the entire trip. The 7.3 is an excellent HD engine option for probably 95% of recreational towers. The 10R140 is garbage in my experience.
Hey. Also overdrive on the 7.3 is 8 9 and 10th gear. To drop out of overdrive would be going into 7. Can’t compare it to the ram trans.
I believe my ram 6th gear overdrive is same final drive ratio as 9th or 10th gear. I will confirm.
I would lock 6th out when I towed with my 2017 2500 6.7, the 3.42 would lug the engine resulting in lower exhaust temps and more regens. When I towed with my 2020 F250. 7.3/3.55 I would lock out 9th and 10th gears to prevent unnecessary shifting. The 7.3 is an awesome engine.
@@M_dot202 I see your point. But 9200 miles pulling same trailer just got back Colorado to Texas to south Florida to Maine and back I had no need to lock anything out. Just let it do its shifting. Please show engine bracking in tow mode. Lightly touch brake for two seconds let up and it down shifts. This was amazing slowing down on off ramps etc. hill decent etc. I live in colorado on 70 and have done the I gonlet. Amazing. Thanks for the great video
@@M_dot202if you had 3.73 gears with that engine, would you still lock out 9th and 10th, or just 10th?
@@SliderFury1 probably just 10th. The 3.55 w the 7.3/10R140 was a horrible combo that's why Ford no longer offers it.
220 for the trans seems a little high for that load. My Asin only get to 165 towing a similar load on 100 degree days in the mts.
I agree!
Need to try a GM 6.6 operates similar (if not the same as the Forde 7.3) has little less power than the Ford but will to bet $ for $ does better MPG!
I would love to do that!
I had the 6.6 with the 10 speed Allison got rid of it. The transmission was messed up super hard shift from 7 to 8 gear. Even before I had that trouble it was WEAK. I pull a 7,500 pound TT. That truck couldn’t pull a greasy string out a cats ass. It was gutless.
How is the reliability on a 7.3 gas engine versus 6.7Cummins?
Great question I think both are pretty reliable from what I’ve seen
Dodge truck is junk compared to the ford.
Why would someone thing that the 7.3 would struggle with a 7,600 lb trailer? My 3.5 eco boost didn’t struggle at all with a 6,88 lb trailer and the 7.3 is a huge V8.
My 2.7, and 3.5 ecoboost and Raptor R can tow that trailer with ease too. But neither tow it in 9th or 10th gear like the 7.3 can.
looks like 127. Can't wait to get my 7.3
Heck ya!! Congrats
Engine braking was not shown while in tow mode. Touch brake for two seconds and show downshifting. Again 8 9 and 10 are overdrives. Think you need to do another video with my three comments below. Also the 7.3 trans is the same 140 trans in the powerstroke.
Another video sounds great!
Great job
Thank you for watching!
Power running boards are free upgrade. Who would not order that?
I agree!
The last truck I’d buy is a gas 3/4 ton.
Thanks for watching
You don't need to put it in manual mode to lock out 10th literally just leave it in tow haul and click the down button
Great point!
Why is your steering wheel off center?
Which truck?
@@CTECH-REVIEW
Ford
Typical Ram…also notice he has to constantly make minor steering corrections while driving straight while driving the Ram.
@@bparker8195 Our roads are pretty crowned here which in many cases requires you to put a little angle to the wheel to keep truck straight. I dont recall it being off from straight.
@@mojo4376 I was sadly struggling with both...that is for another story, not super happy with the sway control I had setup on this hitch. More to this to come soon!
You got to test the Ford 6.8 with this trailer
I would love to do that. I’ve been looking for one of those trucks in a crew cab 4 x 4, with the 10 speed transmission for over a year. Those things are harder to find than a raptor R
@CTECH-REVIEW when you do find one, I hope it has the 4.30 gear, I'd like to see how it compares with the GM 6.6 and hemi 6.4.
Holy cow. My 6.4 RAM 3500 dually gets 9 mpg towing my 10k 5th wheel.
Thats good MPGs, what speed you tow at?
@@CTECH-REVIEW 65-70. I never get in a hurry. And I do try to ride behind tractor trailers as much as possible. That really helps. I've gotten as much as 10.5mpg following a tractor trailer going down 81s in VA. For about 200 miles. Then I got off the exit to get gas.
My 2000 f350 4x4 dulley 7.3 tows sweet with a powermax turbo
Nice setup!
Seems relevant
If you want to make it fare you got to put a turbo on the gas motor,
That would be awesome!
Wait till 6.7 straight 6 cummins gas arrives!
Will be awesome!
8, 9, and 10 are all overdrive gears in that transmission.
Great point!
I wouldn’t touch a modern diesel. Nothing but problems
I can understand that. You will like the next video!
Bro, 8, 9, &10 are all overdrive
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The 6.8 is just as impressive to tow with .
I believe it.
From the looks of the steering wheel it appears that dodge still can’t build a front end
Haha! Already had ball joints and u joints done!
So…. You bought it then?
Haha not yet! This is all for science!
I won't buy a ram only a Ford to bad Ford didn't offer a Cummins engine it's the best engine put in the worst truck available a Ram
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Yeah quite. Hit a 8 percent grade when that baby drops to 3rd gear and 10,000 rpm😂
haha probably right!
Quite what?
If the 7.3 had 1075 of TQ it would not have shifted those 4 times.
very true!
Watching in my 8.1 silverado 2500. Diesels were awesome and the answer until govt ruined it! I bet none of govt trucks got any of the emissions crap! "Rules for thy not for me"
Your right! They don’t have the emissions systems that we are forced to use.
What ring and pinion in ford
4.30 gearing
4:30 in a Dana m275
That's what I thought.
If gas engines have so much torque they shouldn't need 4.30. Ring and pinion.
@@techs1smh13- 4.30 gearing allows taller tires on the very heavy truck. 3.73 would work very well for stock tires.
Transmissions tend to fail. So does the engine
Good point!
Run that cummins in 5th gear. Lock out 6th and you should get better gas mileage.
Not in my truck. I get worse towing mpg in 5th gear
I live in southwest more city driving
7.3 can do that!
@@CTECH-REVIEW you would suggest 3.73 or 4.30 ?
tough call...for me I would go 4.30s from my towing experience! but I would say try to drive both!
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Haha I wish. Sponsored by CTech-review
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this compare is a little off. should have just let the F250 do the trans hunting, yes, it does affect MPG, but the compare isnt fair when you didnt play with the trans on the 2500. Also, the weights were also off, you ran with over 1/2 tank of fuel on the 2500 and only 1/4 tank of fuel on the F250, which matters. Instant MPG is useless. Lets also talk about fuel up frequency and difficulty. F250 you get stuck in the gas lanes, 2500 you can use truck lanes. Re-sale value > Diesel. Longevity > Diesel. Fuel cost? I would say fairly even. Put 10k on both trucks and see the GIANT difference in performance between the two. 7k is nothing for either of these trucks. Even though not a 1:1 comparison, still an ok one. Also, terrain matters, come out west and do this compare, diesel outperforms all day long.
Thank you for the comments. I put both trucks in cruise. I own the Cummins. I think you will enjoy video video number 3 coming soon!
The longevity argument is a relic from 20 years ago. That’s no longer an advantage for diesels with all the emissions crap on them. I have a F350 with the 7.3 and pulled a 28’ enclosed (35’ overall length) cargo trailer from Sacramento to San Diego and the truck stop argument is spot on. I had to be very carful and deliberate on where to fuel up. Had my co-driver looking up satellite images of upcoming gas stations to make sure we have room to get in and out. Ive had the truck for nearly a year and it’s been the only time I wanted a diesel, for that reason alone. I ordered a 58 gallon replacement fuel tank after that trip. Still waiting on it to arrive.
I could definitely see where finding a gas pump may be a problem.
I've got the same problem with gas stations. 2022 GMC 2500 6.6 gas and a 36' 5th wheel. I've learned that most flying Js have rv gas lanes. And yes google satellite is your friend!
@@JasonParks-k4mthis is something that actually makes Ford's connected navigation possibly worth the cost. I haven't used it myself yet but from my research, when you use trailer routing and search for gas stations along the route, it will prioritize stations that are known to fit RVs, like Flying J's or Pacific Prides.
The one huge advantage diesel still has regardless is fueling up at gas stations when towing 😒🥲
And smiling going up or down hill.
@@techs1smh13 yup. I still have a gasser though. I only tow occasionally (travel trailer). Ram 6.4 it does what I need it to but I does gear hunting often
True
Why can't you compare apples to apples? Why do you always have to put dodges Diesel. against FORD gas engines?
Feel free to check out my superduty diesel playlist. I think I have 20+ super duty diesel towing videos.
I think you missed the point of this video.
I would never tow my trailer @ 70 ! U r taking a chance of severe damage due to blow out. RV tires r NOT designed 2b driven @ 70
Thanks for watching! My tires are rated at 87mph. But I would never go over 70!
Not sure what trailers you have been using on your trailers, but the trailers and RV's I've been towing have 87mph tires on them. I have a 47' Jayco Seismic with 6 Goodyear beast tires and they are awesome. I have an F450 and on the open highway, she pulls that monster at 70+ mph in CC no problem, steep hills or not. Buy better trailers maybe.
@@CTECH-REVIEWwe must c run the c same tires. I do the speed limit (70) but might start dropping to 65 after my last close call.
7mpg? No thanks
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Sorry man, lost a lot of respect when u let someone take ur R
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One caveat! About this truck if you buy it as you’re only vehicle, you will spend five to $600 a month as a daily driver equivalent of another vehicle payment in gas! Too many people forget this. I have friends who owned one and they quickly realized they were spending twice as much on fuel as they had previously don’t buy this vehicle as a daily driver the gentleman who makes this video owns many trucks and has a lot of money fuel. Mileage is not a factor in his life and when you try to resell your Ford Tremor, you will take a $15,000 hit immediately Yeah, let’s thank Dodge for keeping Ford honest. they are the reason that Ford had to make the 73 since Ford was forcing V6 twin turbo engines on everybody, including the raptor and the F150 and they were garbage to tow with. They thought people would love to listen to a six cylinder engine whining out at 3500 RPMs all day long while towing, stupid Ford. The coyote is too small to tow with as well so Ford had to match Dodge in Power so they were forced to reinvent another push rod engine, which brought the 73 and now it’s in everything instead of the sixes thank you for keeping honest without competition they would never innovate.
Thank you for the comment and for watching. Excellent point on how expensive it is to daily Drive heavy duty trucks. Completely agree.!
I just watched a video guy had a 7.3 towing a 12,500 lbs 5th wheel said I didn't hear him say miles but said he towed 13 hours wit no fuel stop I don't believe that for a second I can't do that with my diesel unless I'm on fumes and won't push my truck below 1/4 tank