Porsche 944 Restoration -Part 1
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
- In this video we'll be breaking down a 1984 Porsche 944 in order to begin a restoration. The engine needs to be completely overhauled since on of the cylinders are scored. The exterior needs some dings repaired and a full respray while the interior needs to be put back together. So this car will be getting a full restoration and in the end it should look great!
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Keywords: Porsche, 924, 924S, 944, 944 turbo, 944T, 944, head, sleeve, cylinder, scored, block, pistons, rebuild, repair, seals, engine, high compression, oil leak, maintenance, diy, do it yourself, how to, diagnostic, diagnostics, seats, fabric, interior, upholstery, rust, fabricating, rusty, holes
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Part 3: ua-cam.com/video/dyKcaSoB5Rk/v-deo.html
Part 4: ua-cam.com/video/_FJv1_WrXkY/v-deo.html
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Part 6: ua-cam.com/video/yLpFL2I77Yc/v-deo.html
Great cars, nice to see more and more people bringing these cars back to life. Best of luck with the restoration.
Thanks! Best of luck to you as well!
I really really appreciate these videos. This one is very special to me because I have the exact same year car but in black and just pulled the motor and had the head rebuilt last week. I'll be watching closely for part two. Thanks for the time and work recording and posting these videos. Guess ill be removing the bell housing and checking for an old rubber clutch plate too.
No problem! I'm glad you enjoyed it! I have a Black '83 myself but its not in good shape. I really hope to build a really nice one in black someday! Good luck with your project! Thanks!
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Awesome project! Looking forward to the Edredas special touch process! 👍😁
Thanks!
I really enjoy the hands on disassembly of your projects, particularly the engine. I noticed you sped up the video to quickly get the fuel rail, cam tower, and head off. I would like to see each of these tasks in real time with your comments along the way. Your comments about things to look for or avoid are invaluable. I understand that it would make the video much longer, but you could separate the tasks into shorter videos: one covering the fuel rail, another the cam tower, etc. That might be too tedious for some viewers and more work for you I'm sure, but it's the stuff I love to see and learn from. Regardless, I will continue to be a loyal follower. Keep up the good work! Mike
Thanks! I show the details in my earlier videos so I skip the things I covered as not to make every video the same. I have thought about making specific videos on these subjects, but really haven't had the time. I'm so far behind on these cars lately its hard to even make videos anymore...
Love your videos, just picked up an 88 N/A 944 that I rescued from an insurance auction and cant wait to get it on the road. I have a 951 on my list next.
Great! Good luck with your project!
Good luck with it! If you need parts, check out my friend at just joshin 944 parts .he dismantles 944 in hagerstown Md!
You're really making me miss my old '84, which I sold a few years ago.
Really looking forward to this one!
Awesome! Thanks!
Should be an interesting one. Will be great to see how this one turns out. Please try to find a 16v engine to rebuild soon! Would like to see if that presents any special challenges over the 8v. 👍👍
I have a waiting list up until next year and I don't think a single one is a 16 valve engine. Mostly regular 944's with a few turbos sprinkled in. I do have a 3.0L 16 valve S2 here at the shop now but it's not getting any engine work. Thanks!
Great job!
Im look to buy a 85' 944 i really think this video will help me out thanks for the tips
Making it a concours car would be great. I need to send you mine to do the rear quarters!
Try peroxide hair gel for the yellowed plastic tanks. People have had good luck restoring plastic computer components with it.
I've tried it before on some of my retro computers and it worked great, but I didn't have much luck with the expansion tank I tried it on. That said, you can buy them new for about $100 so its often cheaper for the owner to go that route than paying me hourly to try and to clean one out... thanks!
They're available... for now.
Who do you use for sending out parts for plating? And what kind of finish do you choose? Thanks for your insights!
I ask for the 'yellow zinc' finish which is what the factory used on these parts. I have them plated at 'Industrial Electroplating INC' which is local to me. I hope that helps! www.electroplate.biz/quality-zinc-plating-services.html#ad-image-4
thanks so much!
love the video, im looking at buying the same car to restore, i love the 80's. everything seems kinda straight forward so far, could you give me some advice on what i should look out for?
Praise the lord for your existance. Pls keep on doing Videos like that 👌🏻
Thanks for your latest video. I always learn something. Can I ask the ballpark cost for the sleeving process and do you run a stock piston and rings afterward?
Its about $150 per cylinder. I'm using a Darton iron sleeve so it will be able to use the stock pistons, just install new rings! I hope that helps!
@@edredas It does -- thanks. Looking forward to seeing the reassembly! Love your videos...
Thanks!
@@edredas Are the Darton Sleeves dry or wet?
This one is a dry sleeve! Also thanks for becoming a Patreon supporter!
Great video man
will sleeving the cylinder change the wear characteristics of that cylinder? I thought I remembered that there was something different about the hardness of the factory cylinder surface.
Yes, the steel sleeves are harder! The factory block uses Alusil an block so the cylinders are basically the raw aluminum alloy with silicon impregnated inside the walls in which the rings ride against. While its a really cool design since it doesn't require sleeves, it is unfortunately a cost saving measure. If anything gets down in there it can destroy the soft aluminum cylinder wall. Manufacturers will often use steel sleeves for this reason but it costs more than using an Alusil block, so moving up to a steel liners is a nice upgrade, IMO but not required since I've seen engines that still look great after 300k miles. That said, with a steel liner it will then wear like almost every other engine and less prone to scuffing. I hope that helps!
thanx for the info
Did you ever have the exhaust leak into the cabin situation on your 944? If so, how did you rectify that? I have tried sealing the rear hatch, resealed the shift boot and tail lights. My last ditch effort is to take it to a muffler shop to see if the exhaust can be redirected. I put a smoker in the car and can’t see any exhaust leaks. I have an 83’ 944. I only drive the car short trips right now because of this cabin situation.
Yes. It’s more than likely the exhaust leak is under the hood and coming in through the fresh air blower.
edredas Fixed it! Replaced the exhaust manifold gaskets and the 2 flange gaskets for good measure. One of the exhaust manifold ports had a leak. Performance is back and car runs like a champ again. Thanks for your videos.
Where in Georgia do you go to get parts? I heard you mention it when you had to get a transmission for your buddy in the clutch replacement video.
I go to Elliott's place. He lives in North Georgia about 3 hours away and has about 30-ish parts car out there!
edredas Cool. I live on the west side of Atlanta and I was wondering where to get bits and pieces. Not too many places for these cars anymore, much less a reasonable mechanic.
Gotcha, Elliott is up in Blairsville, GA about two hours from you. As mentioned he has a ton of parts cars so he'll have everything you'll need! Are you in my facebook group? If so just let me know what you're looking for and I can tag him in so you can go see what he's got! In the meantime check out some of my recent videos where I show some of his collection. Thanks!
That car starts better then mine...
Really was a good running car... shame the cylinder was scored. Probably would have already had it back together and sent out for paint by now. Instead I'm still waiting for it to come back from the machine shop! Thanks!
Hola tengo un 924s 1988 el auto no se usa solo lo tengo guardado en la cochera para conserbarlo el esta en muy buen estado de caroseria no oxido pero mesclo agua y aceite desmonte y limpie y se resolvió el problema pero tiene una válvula que suena fuerte el auto funciona bien aparte de eso ,crees que debo cambiar las válvula o se puede resolver de otra manera también note rallas como las que usted mostró en el video ,el mio las presenta en el cilindro num.1 pero como le dije antes el motor funciona bien .que me aconseja?
Hola, definitivamente haría una prueba de compresión para ver qué está pasando. Si tienes buena compresión, entonces realmente no me preocuparía por eso. Si tiene poca compresión en el cilindro con la válvula defectuosa, entonces debería reemplazarlo. Si bien recomendaría que se reemplacen los cilindros si están calificados, eso tendrá que depender de usted y si desea dejar caer el motor y luego reconstruirlo. ¡Espero que eso ayude!
I am looking for the best 85 and later 944 I can afford. I just don’t like the early dash.
I own a 924 and I was wondering if there is a one piece oil one gasket for a 2.0 L engine in a 924.
I don't believe so...
Approximately how much does it usually run to have these cars resprayed?
To have all the decals removed, along with the bumpers, and trim pieces, you're easily looking at upwards of $5k. I hope that helps!
Can a manual transmission engine be hoisted out of the top of the engine bay? Is it easier to drop it out the bottom once the cross member and steering rack are removed? If down and out is easier, then how much clearance is needed under the front of the car?
Yep, it 'can' be hoisted out of the top of the engine bay, and a lot of people do it that way. However, there are several reasons why I don't and why the factory service manual says not to. Most people when removing the engine through the top are planning to leave the cross-member in place to "save time". However, this means you need to unbolt the pressure plate -one bolt at a time through the starter hole, remove the clutch fork pin, then remove the reference sensors, and finally the bell housing. I've tried it before just to see and it takes forever compared to dropping the cross-member. Not to mention, unbolting and installing a pressure plate in this manor will warp it. Which is why Porsche wants has you drop the whole assembly out of the bottom. I've even heard of people removing their hoods in order to go out the top which is just far more work than is necessary. That said, if you're going out the bottom then its best to take things off the engine first, such as the intake and oil filler neck. If possible remove the cam tower too, this will give you far more clearance and then you can slide the engine out from at the wheel well rather than from the front. That will give you far more room than trying lift the car high enough to clear the valance. I hope that helps!
@@edredas that is so much help. Thank you!!
Can you give me the name of your shop? I live in Charlotte and need some work done on my 944. Love your videos BTW.
We're edredas LLC. Feel free to send me an email at edredas@gmail.com and let me know what you have in mind! Thanks!
hey edredas do you work on 924's or 931's or just the 944?
Just the 944 series. While I have worked on the 924/931 in the past there just isn't enough business or support through parts networks to work on them.
How much did it cost to get your block re-sleeved
It was $30 for the sleeve and then $175 for the install, so about $205 to have that one cylinder sleeved before tax.
what is the cost range of a restoration like that?
Hi, restoration like this can cost anywhere from $15-$20K. Thanks!
Where is your shop and how can I send my car?
I'm west of Charlotte, NC. Email me at edredas@gmail.com and we'll discuss some details. Thanks!
Damn ! You could carry a bulldozer on that trailer!!!
What's the difference between the 924 and 944?
The 924 was a little narrower with a 2.0 liter Audi engine. While the 944 has a wider stance and a 2.5 liter all alloy Porsche engine. Theres also a 924S which is a 944 with 924 fenders. I hope that helps!
@@edredas Okay.
I bought one to sell the BBS rims and junk the body, decided I'll build it with my son LS swap it or something.
Cool! Good luck with your project! Be sure to share your progress in my Facebook group! I may need to do an LS swap someday as well.
Why do these cars get into such a state? After all, they're not just some cheap econoboxes. If I had one I'd take care of it and not let it get into that condition. But what do I know. ..
I think it could have been a lot of things, but I think the main issue is that the bottom pretty much fell out of the sports car market in the late '80's. The market was completely saturated with sports cars, many were 944 knock offs and when the economy tanked people just found something more practical. They were so cheap that many ended up in the hands of people that couldn't afford to take proper care of them. So decades later we have cars that have not been serviced in 30 years...
It's sad to see how stupid people can be. Whether a car costs 100k or 1k, there's an obligation to maintain it properly so it will run reliably.
True, but even in the mid-nineties you could buy 944 for under $3500. The bottom fell out hard so they only people buying them were teenagers and someone looking for a cheap car. To have them serviced then was twice the price of the car so they just drove them until they were ground to dust...
WHY DONT YOU INVEST IN IMPACT TOOLS ?
We have both electric and air impacts. I only allow them on certain suspension jobs. These bolts were galvanized unlike other cars of the era so we rarely need an impact to remove them. Not to mention that most of these components are aluminum so you can't just zip them apart like a cast iron chevy or you will break things. That said, we are not a high volume shop that puts these cars together in a week. If you want your car thrown together, there are lots of shops that will gladly do that, but that's not what we do. Everything is done by hand properly. I just had a car in the shop where a "Porsche shop" stripped out one of the header bolts using an impact then used a heli-coil and bolt to fix it. Needless to say the owner won't be going back to them. Thanks!
ok that is very smart on your part I'm glad you have impact tools and know when to use them and when not too ! if i could i would buy you a lift ! buddy :)
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where the heck do you find all these 944 cars? theres like 3 here in las vegas
There's a ton over here on the east coast! I know a guy with over 40 of them, and I have about 20 here at the shop! I know a guy in Vegas putting his together right now! So make that 4!
Another great video. Just started watching the channel. Great content. You are so patient, never get upset, very even tempered. Great videos
So much work to be done. Such a different car that went home. I predict years of enjoyment for the owner.
Nice video (like the upgraded tunes). Well balanced! Looking forward to part2! You appear to be having nice weather. Enjoy and take care!
This was all filmed a while ago... it feels like it has been raining for a month and there's no end in sight! Glad you like the music! I try to use new stuff when I can but it adds a lot of extra time to editing the videos. Thanks!
My pleasure! I live in LA, and it just stopped raining after a month. I’m getting ready to unveil my 83 944. I trust you will enjoy this one! Keep dry and keep up the good work!
@@DiecastHD Thanks! I'm hoping to stay dry! I'm desperately looking for a bigger shop!
I bought a new '84 944 in December 1983 as a birthday present to myself. Things i learned: the fog lights were engineered to be excellent rock collectors. The paint is oil based and grows chips at a prodigious rate. The radio antennae is cool until the self-lubricating stops working. Interior rocker switches are incredibly fragile. It's a project car from day one. But it's also cheaper than the most affordable psychiatrist. So fun to drive. The advertised top speed (130+/-) is very accurate. Engine mounts fail early.
The paint is "oil-based"...LOL
Do you know what automotive finishes are composed of?
Water based...oil based...single stage...2 stage...so many variations.
I prefer 20 coats of lacquer...but good luck finding the paint...or the guy to wet sand between EVERY coat.
Have you done a video on how to disconnect the drive shaft from the bell housing? I’ve done it in the rear to remove the transaxle but I’m about to pull my motor and am trying to figure out how to do the front. Thanks.
Yup. I have a whole series on changing the clutch. It shows all the tools you’ll need and how to remove the shaft from the engine.
Perfect, thanks. I thought it may be in there but I don’t think I watched the whole thing since I didn’t need to do the clutch. But I’ll change that too since I’ll have everything apart. If you’re rebuilding an engine in the near future, I’d love to trade some free labor for some knowledge. I’m in VA.
Hey, my best friend and I preparing to rebuild her late father's 944, and the parts car she bought just in case. I know we are going to be doing a lot of teardown and rebuild aside from what we can pull from the donor car. I'm curious where you found all the gaskets, mounts and other engine parts/ engine bay parts. I just don't know where to start looking and I don't much trust AutoZone parts for most things. I really like the amount of detail in your video though and I am just looking for enough guidance to hopefully get this project rolling. It means the world to her and I want her to be happy with it and not stuck for months waiting on parts. (if avoidable) Thanks in advance!
I buy almost everything from pelican parts. I like it because you can use the parts catalog on Porsches website and type the part number into pelicans website to make sure you get the right part. Although places like AutoHausAZ sometimes have better deals on certain parts at times and I will usually buy water pumps from around Rock Auto. However that should get you started. Good luck!
@@edredas thank you so much! I think we're going south bend clutch for the clutch kit, but other than that... thank you!! I'll take a look!
A concourse car is going to take a lot more money in parts and labor. I have an ‘88 turbo and 3 years into my project I have the engine on the stand and boxes of new parts, water pump, oil pump, etc. These cars have a lot of potential but realistically there is so much work and so many parts need to be replaced. Good luck with your rebuild.
Thanks! Just to clarify, this won't be a concourse car by any stretch. By "close to concourse" I just meant we are just trying make it look factory fresh. I realize that its a poor choice of words, but with so many 'restomods' out there I just wanted convey that it wouldn't be perfect and would remain as original as possible. I believe he just wants to pull up to the meet and have his car look new, but not really trying to win any awards with it. Good luck with your project as well!
Thanks for the video. I enjoy watching and trying to learn as much as I can. You could achieve a concourse quality restoration, but you have to plan it out over several years. This year I am adding a blast cabinet and plating capability at home so I can refinish all of the parts myself. Planning for the engine rebuild(stroked to 2.8) next year, with the bodywork and repaint to follow the following year. Purchased the vehicle in 2015, it will probably be a 7 year project by the time I am close to finishing it.
Awesome! Sounds like a fun project! We build them to whatever level the customer wants. A restore like this usually takes us about 6 or 7 months, while a restore like the white euro 944, which is having the suspension and everything pulled to be refreshed takes about a year or more. Of course the time frame all depends on how busy we are. We even offer a tub down restore, with the original single stage paint to make it exactly like the day it left the factory, but as you can image, not many people go for it... those usually take us about two years. Good Luck!
Great video, looking forward to part 2!
Thanks!
That was really nice, I got to see my first rubber centre clutch and understand how the bell housing comes apart.
Is having a lift to do this work on going to make your process massively faster or more comfortable, or both?
I'm sure it would help! But I think the thing that would speed up progress the most would be having enough room to get most of the cars inside out of the weather! Right now we can only get one car in the shop so all the long term projects have to be worked on outside, so in the summer its too hot to work in the day, and the winter its too cold at night. Not to mention when it rains a lot like it has lately, its almost impossible to get anything done...
Damn that this was spanked.
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Awesome! Thanks you so much!
Can you just sleeve the 1 cylinder and leave the rest for a light hone?
Yes, I'm only sleeving the scored cylinder then I'll be using AN-30 Alusil honing paste on all the others! Thanks!
Are you from SC?
I'm in NC, just west of Charlotte!
great video. my 'new' 89 944 gets delivered tomorrow!
It runs and drives great going to be a quick repair.
Next minute!
Seems to me that there is not much difference in changing the clutch by removing the engine to taking out the trans and torque tube and wrestling with those bellhousing bolts in a confined space!
That is always how it goes around here... nothing is ever simple. The other red 944 came in 'only needing belts' and then I found the coolant in the oil, rust in the fuel tank, and hacked wiring. So its never a simple repair on these cars. That said, I asked some of the guys at the shop which way the felt was the easiest way to change the clutch, and they all said they'd rather just pull the engine!
There's always something when dealing with 30 year old cars!
Fast as I fix things I find something else that needs to be rectified before I can get a roadworthy!
Yup, cars that I combed though months ago still have to come in occasionally for something not working right... it never ends!