DUAL MONO Compression Channel HACKS in CUBASE
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2024
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DUAL MONO Compression Channel HACKS in CUBASE
In today’s video I share with you a couple of hacks (or workarounds) to create a Dual Mono Channel in Cubase
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What is a “Dual Mono” Channel? It’s basically a Stereo Channel where the Left and Right Side are independent from each other.
For example, If I insert a Compressor on my Mix Buss, the compressor will compress the full Stereo Field equally, but if the Compressor has a Dual Mono feature, the compressor will compress each side separately like if each side had its own compressor.
Some DAWs like Pro Tools and Logic will support Dual Mono on tħeir Channels so a Plugin that doesn’t have a “Dual Mono” feature can also benefit of that feature through the DAW if supported by the plugin.
Unfortunately Cubase doesn’t support “Dual Mono” on its channels the same way Pro Tools and Logic does. So the only way to use “Dual Mono” in Cubase is to work with a plugin that has “Dual Mono” as a feature or to follow my workarounds to create a “Dual Mono” channel in CUBASE 10.5
***The use of a VCA Fader is not mandatory in Option#1, you can also just "LINK" the volume of those 2 channels together and that will do the trick as well.
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Hey everyone, just a quick note here... The use of a VCA Fader is not mandatory in Option#1, you can just "LINK" the Volume of those 2 channels without a VCA and that will also do the trick...I'm just used to working VCAs a lot ;-)
Thank you for all you time . 🙏
Thank you so much
The third option is simple, straightforward and elegant !
Cheers !
Great tip Chris, this video deserves a massive thumb up. Thank you.
This technique is really helpful - thanks a lot for your advice! Sounds great
Me having a question, me finding this guy on youtube explaining exacly what im searching for, me loving this guy! Thanks man
Thanks Chris... A bit more complicated yes, but easily set up as part of a template if you want to use it all the time.
What an amazing video! thank you so much!
You are the BEST Chris
Wow,thanks.A Very great Tipp.Great!
Just got this in my feed today... it's revolutionary for me along with the rear buss video. Thanks heaps, you've done it again!
Glad you enjoyed it!
Excellent video. I linked it in Gearspace in the P42 Climax Line Amp thread, where we discussed such a routing in Cubase. Thanks a lot for the great help :)
Very nice tips! Thank you Chris!
this one is pure gold kinda :) thank you
This is a great serie Chris… merci beaucoup!
You're welcome mon ami!
Great video, very clear! And an interesting technique!
Finally I know how the channel routing works, thanks! I’ve always wondered, but not enough to actually look up in the manual :)
Awesome :-)
Thanks for the video, Chris. I was looking for this. I think the third option @8:40 is the way to go for me as the compressor is inserted ( pre-fader)
Wow! it's great! Thank you!
Yaaaayyy! This is what I've been waiting for! Since I don't have a dual mono compressor and you hinted that you were going to help with that! You rule, dude!
That's great, happy to help!
I've got it working and I like it! It took a bit. I didn't know that you have to turn your sends on. The things you learn!
Dude super helpful, very thorough, appreciate your vids!
Glad you like them!
Another brilliant video. Thank you, Chris 🙌
My pleasure!
Very useful info Chris!
THANKS CHRIS!
Hey Chris, awesome!! 👍 Thank you so much for your take on this great technique!🙏 I'll definitely give it a shot. Cheers!
Have fun!
The spl iron from Plugin alliance is dual mono too try this beauty Thx for your video man cheers ❤️
Thanks for the info!
Thank you Chris 🙏🤘🤘🤘
You're welcome
Hi Chris! Thanks for this tip! QUESTION: Has Cubase updated their console to support proper dual-mono or do we still have to do this work-around? Method 3 seems easiest to me. Thanks again! Cheers! Adam.
Awesome
....and thanks for this video, too!
Another awesome video!! That song is being carried over a few of your videos and I kind of like the vibe...would love to hear it!
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@@mixdownonline thank you very much!!
Thank you king🤴🏻
You're welcome!
Top. Greetings from Germany!
Greetings Thomas :-)
Hello From Israel: Great Video!!! thank you
Thank you too!
thanks Chris ;)
WOOT! Thank you Chris! So helpful, this would have taken me forever to figure out on my own and "tabarnaks!" would have been flying all over the place. Great tip, I have a mix I am going to test this on tonight!
" "tabarnaks!" would have been flying all over the place " LOL
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SUPER COOL VIDEOO tanckss
You're welcome!
Good Stuff Man Thanks
you're welcome
Good job. I was able to make Bauerizing template for Cubase.
I've been looking at Bauerizing lately... quite interesting.
thanks so much!
You're welcome
Once again Chris Save the Day, Big thanks my friend P.S. Using the Copy setting Fonction of Cubase to copy setting between FX save me a lot of time and human error. Thanks gain for your Help
Yean man! Glad to help!
Thanks Chris. I have recently purchased the ISA Two Focusrite dual mono preamp. Is there a way to set this up in Cubase? I've followed your steps hoping it would translate but alas, no joy. Do you have any hacks (workarounds) to suggest?
I'll be watching live, I'll even have my cubase 10.5 on to try and learn along live. I swear I saw you at namm btw. I should have said hi. Oh regret is real. Anyway I love your cubase videos
Yeah, next time, stop me and say Hi! :-)
¡Excelente! I can figure out too, one could use dual mono compression in some other situations, for example back panned vocals or guitars. Do you do this oft, or just when is really needed?
I don't use this often, only when needed
yeah I enjoyed this video alot
Awesome, thanks!
Clever and useful tip, Chris!
One little remark, you addressed a workaround for non-Pro Cubase users, but my understanding is that such versions don't have the 'send panning' option either (not sure as I use Cubase Pro).
Cubase Artist has the Send Panning but not Essentials
@@mixdownonline It has? I just went by steinberg.help/cubase_pro_artist/v9/en/cubase_nuendo/topics/audio_effects/audio_effects_send_effects_setting_pan_t.html but I didn't test it for myself.
Hey, Chris! Thanks for that.
I know the advanced option doesn't offer the link ability, but I guess the quick workaround for that would be to copy/paste settings from one to the other, as you make your adjustments... I guess... gonna try it out.
One thing's for sure, it makes a heck of a difference! Thanks again!
Yes, you can change the settings on the first compressor, delete the second one and copy the first one into the second slot. But don't forget to go back and route plugin#2 back to the Right Side. The beauty of linked plugins is that you can make changes on both sides at the same time while the mix is playing, which makes more sense to me :-)
@@mixdownonline Agreed. Well, let's hope the Steinberg team takes advantage of that opportunity in 11.
great workarounds thanks! I love the VCA solution. A good plugin for that is also the Waves API 2500. You can even control the percentage of link between L/R, so it is some hybrid between dual mono and full stereo
Yes, the API 2500 is great :-)
Don't forget the "copy and paste settings" option in the plugin menu. That'll make keeping the same settings on the duplicate compressors much easier.
How did you move the two FX channels in the mixer? I thought you could only do that in the main project windown
Thank youuuuuuuuuuuuuuu ! :)
You're welcome Michel!
THX! Great ;-)
Glad you like it!
OK I do like option 3 myself....
I have a question. When I using this rear bus technique, I love it but I lost my -5db headroom and my LUFS is going up to about -13 and many mastering engineers want to a mixed file with -5db. Is this technique for mastering? Many thanks for your efficient tutorial.
my friend Selim thank you for every thing . I guess you mean channel routing . this is cubase way to configure any insert channel to which side go wither left Or right I had video on that .also waiting for your way.
Yes, this one is part of it...I share different options
Hi Cris, thank you so much for the video! I did a little test a while ago, cause I wanted to know if the stereo compressor in cubase was really compressing equally both sides. So I put a test generator, a constant signal, to the left and a kick to the right. Only the kick was over the threshold. Visually the gain reduction to the Left side was very small. That made me think that maybe It compresses hybridly, stereo and dual mono. But I did not bounce anything to analyse properly. Is there any chance my suspicious are right?
No, I don't think it compressed hybridly. A kick full of transients and a sine wave signal will not have the same gain reduction with the same about of compression. your test results are normal for stereo compression with those 2 types of signals
@@mixdownonline they went to the same group track and the stereo compressor was in the group track. Sorry I didn't explain this part. So I was expecting everytime the kick hit at the right side It would cause a bigger gain reduction to the left side, cause of the equal GR of the stereo compressor. But maybe It was just visually not clear. Or maybe the bigger the signal the bigger the gain reduction following the logaritmic scale, like when we scroll the mouse on some volume automations values on the info line and it doesn't move them equally in absolute numbers.
Is Waves StudioRack can do this tecnis?
Chris, great channel. Can we use the OMNI channel as a rack for parallel set up instead of the TS racks if we own the OMNI?
Are you talking about the Waves Scheps Omni? If so, YES. The Omni plugin has Dual Mono as a compressor option
@@mixdownonline Thanks Chris, I was surprised it would have a dual mono versus it offering parallel on it considering he designed it - he kind of missed that feature in his own signature software. Too funny!
Helo sir... Tnks for all u Av been doing.... Pls I want to purchase Cubase pro 9 online... How do I do that??
If you're looking to buy an older version of Cubase like Cubase 9, look on EBAY
also in Reaper you can use DualMono. Just quckly use the matrix and add 2 instances of the compressor. One dedicated tomLeft channel, the other to right channel
Cool
Hi Chris. How do I transfer the processing of a track to another project in cubase 10.5? I recorded several tracks with a live drum set and after mixing one I would like to be able to import my mixed drum tracks into the other tracks. Thank you.
Use the Import Track from Project feature in Cubase 10.5 ua-cam.com/video/pJzcSGX56s8/v-deo.html
Hmm I wonder if Sigmod vst could help with the dual mono issue in Cubase?
Never heard of Sigmod vst, I will check this out, thanks!
Chris why are you dont use channel links instead of vca faders or group tracks? I think channel link is easier option
Chris, how do you turn rear bus ON/OFF on the fly?
You just Mute the Rear Buss Group channel
Chris, is it possible to use the direct routing instead of a send??
The problem with Direct Output is that you can't Pan the signal like using a Send.
Hmmm,.. you’re right... crap... gonna suggest that as a new feature! 😉
If everything is linked in the two channels do you need an extra VVA fader?
no, not really
Good tip! But why use a VCA in
method 1 instead of also selecting volume in the link setup for the plugins? One channel less = better on the screen :)
Lol you're definitely right, that would do the same... I just love working with VCAs and often use them that I didn’t payed attention to the simple stuff Lol! I add this to the description of the video, thanks!
@@mixdownonline
Now that's funny!! Creatures of habit we are lol.
Is it possible in Option 3 to link the two compressors?
Unfortunately no
@@mixdownonline That is Cubase limitation. linking inserts on the same channel not just on different channels.
Maybe that is good to have them independent!
Waiting on a video on mixing drums.
There you go ua-cam.com/video/4vM2Uhw05OY/v-deo.html
Chris..CAN YOU DO MONO L/R MASTER OUTPUTS INSTEAD ON 1 STEREO?
Not with Cubase unfortunately
@@mixdownonline would be nice
@Mr.Morpheus & @@mixdownonline Hi, I didn't try this, but... if you make two mono outputs on Audio Connection pannel, instead of one stereo, and then instead of using the output of every channel to route audio to Stereo Out, you can use two Sends to send left and right signal from each channel to the corresponding mono out (L or R), I think this works fine - of course, it is a bit of work setting every channel like so, but it could work.
Only... why would that be usefull to, anyway?
Which option do you think works the best then? Option 1 seems like it could be the best, but then so does option 3... aaaaaah the options :)
Either way is good! The best would for Steinberg to their channel fully Dual Mono compatible like Pro Tools ;-)
@@mixdownonline hahahaha YES! *High five*
You could make adjustments on the compressor in slot one.Then hold alt and drag that compressor to slot two, this will duplicate it.
Yes, for sure. But just don't forget to go back and route plugin#2 back to the Right Side ;-)
@@mixdownonline Right thanks .
I apologize I meant to say Waves Scheps
Omni
Lol... Should've read that first before answering your first question :-)
The first setup does not appear to be valid. It would only be valid if all the busses are in mono. That also defeats the point. I am correct in assuming that panning a send does not separate the left and right channels. It forces a sum of both according to the send pan setting. I will admit Cubase is not my DAW of choice. I am open to, myself, possibly not understand the pan law for sends coming from a stereo channel in Cubase Professional. Cubase is mostly for me to open sessions. It is not my main DAW. I am re-considering and thank you for the great videos
Actually, if you want to sum the L&R you need to use the "Combined Panning", the regular panning, like in the video, does not sum the L&R . Good observation though :-)
@@mixdownonline Thank you. Knowing that could very well come in handy if I ever switch to Cubase. Thank you for the awesome content
I have a feeling you are not 100% right on your last method. The inserts as far as I know are serial which means the second plugin will get the mono signal from the left and than process that and not the clean right channel. Please correct me if I'm wrong!
That's what I was afraid of when I first tried this but no, the Insert Routing does not behave the same way, it keeps both sides independent. Which makes sense or else that feature would worthless imp.
@@mixdownonline thanks that's awesome to know!
I am a big fan of your tutorials for a long time and as always I enjoyed it much... Except when you press play and this guy (I wonder who it is) is singing : he sings out of tune on every ending aaarrgg.. ... I suggest to use vari-audio.
Lol, yes Variaudio is great and useful
Komplex
A bit more advanced, yes. The easiest is to use a plugin that has Dual Mono if you want to use this.
What am I missing? Why bother go to all this trouble if you're just going to make both compressor settings exactly the same?
You are missing the point of the video :). Try watching the first minute again.
The advantage is that if something spiked pretty high on the right channel for example, the compressor on that side will tame it without grabbing your whole mix left and right. The compressors are set the same but they are processing different sounds especially if you're hard panning some instruments. Hope that makes sense.
When linked (as the only option in stock Cubase plugins), the stereo compressor acts on the left and right channels as if they were summed to mono in the detector part of the compressor: The compression of the left and right channels are not independent. The result is that the stereo image stays consistent as both channels are compressed equally.
The point of the dual-mono set-up is that the left and right channels are actually independent: Although both compressors are set the same, they act on the left and right inputs independently. The result is that the stereo image moves around a bit as both left and right compressors do their work independently. In most typical cases you wouldn't want that, but in this specific case (emulating Schepp's "rear buss" effect) you do want that to happen.
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P.s. often times UA-camrs will ask viewers what videos should they make... I think they should ask viewers and themselves what videos should they hide or delete... and this is one of those videos. If you take this comment personal, you're missing the point.
What a horrible workflow. Not your fault. Steinberg is still lacking in both dual mono and only 8 sends. Most Daws these days have unlimited sends per channel.