The REAR BUSS Parallel Compression Technique in CUBASE
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- Опубліковано 17 лют 2020
- The REAR BUSS Parallel Compression Technique in CUBASE
Andrew Scheps is a well known Grammy Winning Recording/Mixing Engineer and Producer who has worked with a lot of major artists like Adele, Green Day, Metallica, and Beyoncé just to name a few.
The Rear Buss Technique is a classic one that Andrew uses all the time, it's actually part of his mixing template. In this video, I will share with you what this parallel compression technique is all about and how I use it in CUBASE.
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I use the Waves API2500 compressor for this. One can unlink the left/right channel hence letting the compressor process both channels independently. Works well :)
Thanks for this tutorial Chris, very helpful as always!
My brain is happy - I learned something new that I'll definitely use.
thanks from Vegas
You're welcome!
You're one of those guys who is just very good at explaining things clearly.
great video! you got great energy and precise explanation going on... well done!
Wow really cool trick! I have to dig up that Dyna-Mu compressor now!
Thanks Dom :-)
Great new tip Chris! Can't wait to try it out👍😁
Great video! Can’t wait to try this!!
That's awesome. Definitely gonna integrate this
Been using this technique for ages! Love Scheps approach to mixing. Great video explaining it. If you have a certain spectral compressor, try it on the groups getting - 2 or - 3db before running them into dual mono comp.
I don’t use Cubase but this was an awesome tutorial. I liked your setup and I liked the song. I also like how you tested the mix by adding and dropping out certain elements. Thank you
I LOVE YOU MAN! You are awesome at explaining stuff ... totally nice
Looking forward to your next post on this subject as you mentioned you would follow up - very cool!!!
Thanks for all the great Cubase related videos!
Thanks Morris!
Thanks so much, very educative!!
Great tutorial, answered my question about how to use h to is with other mix buses. Would have liked you to discuss the setting sAndre uses on the compressor - I’ve read conflicting articles - some say fast attack and slow release and others say slow attack and fast release.
Which one is it?
Hey Chris - First off thank you for all of your videos over the years, words can't express how much you've improved my workflow in Cubase!
My question is how do I go about sending a Mono Bus (lead Vox, 808) to the Rear Bus compression Channel. For some reason i'm unable to send Mono Channels only stereo Channels. Am I doing something wrong or failing to grasp a simple concept lol ? Looking forward to hearing from you!
Awsome content....and free!
Super thanks, the most well explained routing!
You're welcome!
This technique Is Ill. I Love it. Thanx Chris for sharing this with all of us!
Peace!
You're welcome!
Thanks so much for the video man!
I was looking for something like this long time a go, because I had hear it something going on in my favourite mixes...
But I didn´t know what was happening!
Best Regards from Spain.
Great video again Chris. You are helping so many Cubase users. Do you have a video on how to add a couple of UAD mono 1176s and use the routing editor in the Groups insert settings?
Hello from Israel! - Great Video and clear explination. Geat & Technique. Thanks for all your Videos.
My pleasure!
So efficient and vital #mixing tip ✨thanks professional,,,
This was great. After seeing a bunch of Andrew's videos I was wondering about doing this in Cubase. I'd used the Direct Routing method, but I'm going to try it this way. Very cool set-up. What I love about Cubase is the flexibility and the more I learn it, the better it seems to be.
It doesn't matter which way you use unless you want more control on how much you send to the Rear Buss
@@mixdownonline I see. I was just working with the a set-up as you outlined and it is immediately interesting. Trying various compressors...super good stuff.
Yesterday I found out about this technique and was going to ask you if you knew if or how it could be done! You read my mind better than my wife does! Awesome! I'm also mow having fun with the Pulsar Smasher. Thanks again! You are always a great source of information for us poor lost souls.
You are very welcome Jeremy... I also downloaded Pulsar Smasher :-)
Great technique! Can't wait to see how it works in Cubase!
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I red some years ago on gearslutz about this technique but I never understood why and exactly how to use it - you explained it very well and the idea is worth trying out! Thank you!
You're welcome!
Very useful techniques thank you Chris
You're welcome!
I really enjoy that you adapt techniques to Cubase. Especially considering, that there are always going to be limitations going from DAW to DAW. I've been working out of Cubase since 4, and though I have other DAWs, it's just the most comfortable. That all being said, this one was super helpful! It's amazing how many different kinds of parallel compression techniques there are.
I'm happy you enjoyed this video, Jordan!
Thanks Chris for this cool reminder! I was aware of it, kinda tried it once or twice but, like you did, at the end of the mix process. So the results weren't that convincing. I will absolutely try it again, but from the start, this time. Thanks again and have a nice day!!! :-D
This technique will not necessarily work for everyone. All mixers will have something unique that will work for them and not for others. Don't stress it out, that's mixing :-)
Absolutely!!!! ;-)
Hello Chris! Once again, thank you for your continued effort on making this incredibles, easy understanding videos! I really want to know the difference in level (if any) the Andrew Scheps 1176 is applying to the rear buss signal. I saw A. Scheps 1176 setting, but he uses the REV AE UAD 1176 which has the 2:1 ratio, wich I dont have, so I cant replicate the settings and find it for myself! I think that relationship in levels have a huge impact in the mixing levels, as it will define if you hear the vx and gtr mainly from the rear buss, the main buss or a equal balance of the two.
Shadow hills mastering plugin for UAD is a nice one
Funny, in my last Songs I used the New York Compression technique that ive seen in your other tutorials but with the Scheps Omni Channel i will call this method the Selim Scheps Compression😄 Interesting Video like always💯
Selim Scheps Compression Lol...Or maybe The Beard Buss Technique? ;-)
Great video. for some reason you stopped showing up in my notifications. but this video poped up.
Oh, make sure the notification bell is active :-) Thanks for watching Mix Club!
@@mixdownonline Ya it was at one time. just looked and turned it back on.. must have poked it off somehow..
Thanks amigo for sharing u knowledge to te world, fron México 👍
The pleasure is mine Jose :-)
Hey Chris thanks for the video.
I have a question....
Could I send audio from the individual tracks and not their group channels or stems?
So to avoid the extra group fx chain and send the “original “track with any insert they have.
Or do we need the full signal flow Track + Inserts -> Group + Inserts?
Thank you for you time.
Very interesting technique, thank you for bringing it to us.
For dual mono compressor using stock comp in Cubase I would think you should send panned signals from the main Mix tracks to mono tracks and apply comp in each of them. Maybe?
Yes, that mainly it :-)
LOVED this video. Are you also running parallel compression from drums into your MIX DRUM channel?
Most of the times, Yes I do! I created a quick video tutorial on my mix template, feel free to watch it mixdown.mykajabi.com/opt-in
Dear Sir your great
Sweet! Thanks for this tip! I got Presswerk compressor from U-HE. How do you find this one? And it also can do dual mono btw.
I’ve been resorting to using DDMF metaplugin for dual mono setups.
For anyone looking for a free-plugin for this purpose then, according to a soundonsound article, VladG's Molot is a free dual-mono compressor (but with character). The Melda Production Mcompressor can be used by inserting two instances on the parallel bus, one set to compress right and one set to compress left.
Anyway, thanks for all these amazing videos, Chris, and for putting together your wonderful Cubase course which has been incredibly helpful. On this specific topic, I look forward to seeing how to proceed in Cubase without the kind of plugin used in this video. Cheers!
Thanks fro sharing about this free plugin Adrian!
Density 1.0 is an incredible 32bit analog-style compressor, it has a 4-quadrant field to play between M/S and L/R seamlessly! When the dual mono is Rock'n'Roll, the 4-quadrant is quite interesting for Pop and EDM.
Scheps is the man
Definately!
Just what i thought, and like to do it sometimes but should do it all the time 😎
Minus my kick
OMG Chris, I saw the Steinberg ARX on the back, please please please make a video comparison between 24 bit-192KHz vs 32bit-192KHz or something like that. I think ALL AUDIO COMMUNITY will love to see what Audio 32 bits will offer. Please man!
Thanks for this Andrew technique!
I will have a couple of videos about the AXR4 coming out next month. As far as the 24 bit-192KHz vs 32bit-192KHz goes. I will tell you right now, there is NO difference in sound quality. What the bit rate does is give more dynamic range but it will not make your music sound better :-)
Great video. Have you ever done parallel compression on the drum sub using a dual mono compressor? I’ve never thought about it before but I wonder what it would sound like.
No, I never did. Might worth a shot :-)
Chris, What compression settings do you typically use? Have you used the Focusrite Redd compressor plugin (Steven Slate)? Have you tried his FG-MU? Thanks!
Hi Chris, hope you're well!
Just a question that I don't find any answer: how you know that the Dyna-mu can work in dual mono mode?
Thnx you
Great tip. thanks! My question is what are the attack, release and gain reduc approaches for this technique? Thank you for the upload and im enjoying your ch, Chris!
For gain reduction, it depends on the song...for attack and release: Attack 5-10ms Release 30-50ms is my starting point
@@mixdownonline Thank you ! looking forward to more videos and Im really enjoying your channel
This song you use as an example is very good, and the same goes to the singer. Who is it?
It's a Canadian Band called Rebel's Rest. Link in the video description
hi, nice tutorial, thank you!
just wondering: 1. why you use a post send? wouldn´t a pre send keep the sound of the rear buss compression more constant, since fader changer affects threshold? 2. when it tried it out I got quite lot phase issues, except when I keep the fader down i seems ok. you got a tip for phasing? thaks mate!!!
I keep it post cause I want to keep the same level relation that I have with the signal that goes to the main Mix Buss. Those levels need to be the same to avoid phasing issues and stuff. The channels that I send to the Rear Buss are my main instrument group channels so they don't move a lot.
Nice video Chris. How about the Waves PuigChild Compressor based on the original Fairchild 660 and 670?
I never worked with it but I believe there's a dual mono option on this one
Hi Chris, I know this is an older video but would the waves dbx 160 work for this tecnique? I also set up the version you showed using the vintage compression. thanks for that video✌️
Not sure if the Waves DBX has dual mono on the plugin, but if not, you can use it the same way I used the Vintage Comp
Hey Chris, thanks for your great videos. I like your stuff and wait for more every time. So one question to the use of compressor in the rear buss. i own the cla 76 - the same like your uad. but the difference is, the ratio at the cla 76 starts at 4, your uad emulation at 2. Is this a problem or must be the ratio 2:1. Greetings from Germany by Chris Sch. :-)
Good question, it's not a problem per say, but when it comes to the Rear Buss or Stereo Buss I tend to go with a 2:1 Ratio to keep it smooth and not too agressive
@@mixdownonline Thanks for your answer.
Excelent! Andrew himself will explain this?
That would've been cool, but no... I will :-)
@@mixdownonline I hope that video with so much excitement! :D
if you subscribe to Puremix there's a couple of videos in which he details it
Super useful! Any chance of a template for this?
The template will be available soon, make sure you're on my mailing list :-)
Chris, another great video. Thanks a lot. I watched many of your videos and always learn something new. I have quick question regarding the rechnique you showed here. I'm a big fan of mixing into compressor. I always apply compressor on my main buss at the beginning straight after static mix and mix into it for that 'glue'. My question is... Can I use both techniques together? I mean apply compressor on main bus as I always do and use rear bus like you did here? Or its better to use one or the other separately? What is the difference between both? I would appreciate you answer or even new video regarding rear buss technique vs applying compressor on main bus for 'glue'. Thanks. Lucas
Good question. Yes, you can use both. They have both different purpuses. The Rear bus will focus more on the interaction between the vocal and the instruments (exept drums) and give you more width.The stereo buss compressor is more to control the dynamics and general "glue" of the full mix. Andrew uses both on his mixes
@@mixdownonline great. Thank you once again Chris
@@mixdownonline I'm just wondeting if using both techniques the overal mix might be a bit overcompressed while applying 2 compressors at the same time like dynamics killed ect
@@LucasMichalski not a all but it depends how much gain reduction you get. Don't forget that the Rear Buss is in Parallel. And for the Mix Buss Compressor, be gentle, between 1 and 2db of gain reduction. The trick is also to start your mix with those in place. So this way you won't Over compress your individual tracks
@@mixdownonline Thank you Chris, very helpful and informative. I'm your long time subscriber by the way and always looking forward for next video. If I can suggest something, if you have some free time would you please make a in depth video about limiters and limiting during mastering as well as limiting individual tracks during mixing? Just a request. Cheers, enjoy your weekend. Lucas
Great technique Chris.
I was wondering are you using the 10.5.10 update here in Cubase? Cause I still see your template(which I love to use) with the black MIX-channels and in the new update you can't make the color black anymore as far as I noticed.
Yes I'm using that version... Those tracks are Dark Grey which is the new Black for me :-)
@@mixdownonline Thanks Chris. I am a bit colorblind so the harder the colors the better for me to seperate them. I wish Cubase would let those details alone instead of changing them constantly.
Elysia Alpha should do dual mono as well...
Their point is the very deep and nice release curve, and its exaggeration in forward mode.
I'll have to check this out!
Hi Chris, I'm Didier from France. What about the FXs you use in your project ? direct in the stereo buss ? Thx
Bonjour Didier, that can change from mix to mix. I mainly have Console and Tape emulation, a bit of compression and sometimes a bit of EQ on my ST Buss
Phew, you got me nervous there Chris. Wondering if it was a PEGI 18 warning on this "Rear Bus Technique" thing. Just kidding, just my dirty imagination. Will absolutely try this out. I like Scheps Omni channel plugin.
LOL! Can you imagine that I never though on using Scheps Omni for this video 🤦♂️
Nice Song 👍👌
That's a Canadian Band called Rebel's Rest that I MIX for. Link in the video description :-)
My brain is happy too :)
Hi Chris Can we creat our own midi loops to follow chords in Cubase?
So the difference to NY parallel compression is the use of a Dual Mono Compressor like the Wave Puig Compressor? the Rear Bus Channel is a FX Channel? Appreciate you share this knowledge ...
I never worked with the Waves Puig, but if it's like the UAD Fairchild, Dual Mono is part of the plugin. Yes I use an FX Channel Track but you cabn also use a Groupe track
Hello Chris, thanks for the amazing video , i have a q, do we need to use insert a comp on gtr and vocal channels of one by one or reaebus tech is ok for that? thanks!
Not sure I understand your questions
Chris Selim - Mixdown Online 😀 ok lets try again, Do we need to use a compressor as insert every guitar and vocal channel when we use the rearbus of them? Or just rear bus is enough?
One question: how do you set the ‘correct’ volume of the REAR BUSS compression channel? ‘To taste’ or do you have a fixed starting point from which you work? Especially since you use it already at the beginning of mixing.
I go to taste, to start with and sometimes ajust it as I go.
Chris Selim - Mixdown Online Thank you
@@mixdownonlinei think that if you want to listen to reat bussr movement, you should mix it way above the static "floor" of the "front"buss. second, you will need some hot transients drums to still rule over the front and rear mix
Dear Chris, can you help me clear up my confusion about rear bus and how to implement it on my mixer setup?
So basically my setup is like this:
Master (final output)
With my setup, yes, you are correct. Master (final output)
@@mixdownonline Hi Chris, thanks for your replies. Yes i do have buses like you.
Okay, so the rear bus goes to the stereo bus/mix bus? got it. I thought both stereo bus/mix bus and rear bus go to the master.
what kind of compressor setting that you use for the rear bus most of the time? do you kill the transient in the rear bus with fast attack and kinda fast release so it serves a purpose as some kind of baseline to thickening and gluing all buses that go into stereo bus? Or do you put not so fast attack with medium release to let the rear bus still has some dynamic/movement and in your face/up front feel?
thank you
How can I use dual mono in cubase with 2 hardware Mono channelstrips? (external plugin feature)
@Chris, does the download template include the Rear buss set up?
I will add a new template this week that will include the Rear Buss
@@mixdownonline Thank you so much in advance. I struggle with templates a bit. Sharing that template enables people to follow along on your chan. win/win
Hi Chris. I have Q that is not from topic of this video but looking for a years for answer. It seems that you have it. How to change font in Cubase (10.5)(not in score. In complete UI? I like your font that is different from mine (win 10).
And, btw big thank you fir your great videos.
I'll be honest with you, I don't have a clue :-(
@@mixdownonline Thank you anyway. And thank you for your hard work that you share with us.
great video, but where can you see where the comp is dual mono.... It looks like just Stereo L/R thanks
Stereo L/R is Dual Mono when they're not inked. Like you can see on the plugin, the "Link" is desactivated and you can also see the meters of the compressor not reacting the same way.
Hi Chris, I downloaded your template a year or two ago - do you have an updated one available (with full color strips like in this video)?
Yeah, I will make available very soon!
@@mixdownonline hi chris. thanks for sharing this and your template update. short question. in your video you have an effect channel for rear buss. in your template it is an audio channel. i use cubase 10 . should i change that? greetings from germany
Nice! Can this be done in Artist 10.5? Looking forward to your next tutorial. They help me a lot. You rock Chris!
Yes, for sure!
hello Chris! do you know if mr scheps send the general fx to the rear buss? if you know he does, does it at unity level?
He sends all channels that the output is routed to his Mix Buss. The key is that the Send level of those channels going to the Rear Buss are at 0 and post fader, so basically you are making a copy of your mix (minus drums). That includes all fx.
Most of the time the fx's are what creates some movement (at least I do some crazy stuff to my reverbs and delays) - so I would say it is essential to send those to the rear buss. justmy2cts ;)
@@Bonzvy ok, but the rear buss is a compressor buss! wouldnt be better not sending those to the rear buss (or sending them at -15dB, for example) and send them very loud to the mix buss instead? this way you preserve the gral fx's signal dynamic range... just thinking out loud and sharing... 👍
@@lucianogm i think at this point it is just personal preference/mixing taste and is also depended on the song you mix - for example on a more mellow song i would send the fx's into the rear buss because i want to glue the tracks with fx's together
@@Bonzvy i agree!
Hi Gerat video! How do you avoid phasing?
By not using EQ on the Rear Buss. You won't get phasing with only compression
I stole that from him as well :). I also think, that it brings up some depths.
i have softube tube tech,softube fet, empirical labs & waves Compressor which one i use ?
They can all be good but none of them are dual mono (Using Cubase) if I'm correct. But hang on cause you will be able to use them all after you see Friday's video :-)
So it's pointless for 2 track recordings?
are you plan to provide you audience with a cubase template with the rear bus?
I will work on this for sure
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How about using direct summing instead of the send?
You can for sure!
Minor Brauerize setup :). Much simpler.
I have to dive into the Brauerize and make a video on it :-)
its just a parallel compressor that selective busses are sent to.
That’s nothing! I feed four parallel compressors from my group tracks, and those get fed into four more parallel compressors! Take that, Mr. Scheps!
No I don’t... I’m still happy when I don’t f up a simple track compressor :/
would be better to just bypass the compressor instead of muting the whole bus for better comparison, good explanation though
Dual mono does not create movement, it creates width!
With Dual Mono Compression, each side will not have the same amount of gain reduction and that is what creates movement. In the end, it doesn't matter what you call what dual mono compression does, if it sounds good is what that counts :-)
@@mixdownonline It does not create movement but width! What's the point of using say a stereo comp on a drum bus that will compress the right side each the floor tom panned to the left is hit? Movement is created by the pumping
@@mixdownonlineThat is not movement. It is width..
Yes, width for sure. Again, if you have a different gain reduction on each side of the stereo source, you will have subtle randomness movement between the Left and the Right side when the gain reduction differs from one side to another, that is just normal (That is what helps creating the width). Not the same movement effect as pumping. It is subtle but it's there. But again, who cares? That's the way I see it so let's agree to desagree :-)
Compresor settings???
A good start is a slow attack around 10ms and fast release between 30-50 ms. 5-6 db of Gain Reduction, more or less depending on the mix
I hope I'm not the only one out there who can't hear the difference.
I guess its a bit subtle, I hear some level difference on the vocal. Seems like the vocals pop out a little more when the rear buss isnt bypassed or muted... But doesnt change the sound much. Im listening on my surfboard with earphones and at a somewhat low volume though...
Yes, it's subtle but for me I hear the difference. No worries, try it on your own, you will hear the effect better :-)
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I just switched too cubase and I love it it’s crazy amazing but I want to say one thing and I hope cubase sees this, I can’t find cubase tutorials that are easy too follow most of them are extremely poorly explained, you guys don’t even explain the basics what I mean is you guys are in you’re own little world and think we regular users are supposed to understand all these crazy ads terms, please explain how to create the channel then the routing etc then the plugin it’s so Confusing come one cubase users think in simple terms don’t complicate things. I’ve been searching for 3 days now and I can’t find anything on a regular vocals paraallel compressing like literally a simple little video. Can someone for the love of Jesus please just help me I’m really frustrated lol like come on!!!!!
I have a full series on mixing vocals ua-cam.com/play/PLHfS_0liDLINA3IGXMHEGIgU4BqpuRRHy.html
Chris Selim - Mixdown Online I will check them out.
youtube people ramble on and on, over explaining things that dont even matter blah blah blah this video could have been 2 minutes long
Why don't you share with us YouTupe people your 2min long valuable videos, your teaching talent and show us how it's done?
No thanks I'm not a narcissist
Sweet! Thanks for this tip! I got Presswerk compressor from U-HE. How do you find this one? And it also can do dual mono btw.