Yeah it’s pretty much old stuff regurgitated for UA-cam advertisements… that jerking off incident screwed himself… literally and figuratively… too soon?
Absolutely brilliant show. Gives me chills when I revisit it. The writing, characters, and scenarios are so authentic and real. The show makes you feel so much. It embodies/captures the tragedy/dark comedy of what life really is for so many people. I honestly think that those who don't appreciate this show may be lacking in depth and lacking in an ability to recognize the human condition, or they don't like the rawness of life being authentically portrayed.
People, you have to watch this show if you haven't seen it before. It's tragic, it really is a sad show, but it is also the truest thing you'll see on a screen for a long time. I would like to see him again performing in Italy too; we love the guy! Louis is just the best representation of these times, in his (as anyone else's) fuc*ed up way. But at the same time he is a true artist, and not only for his unique stand-up comedy... Horace and Pete and Louie are just two the most incredibly shows out there, nobody's work comes close to those two gems. I hope something new will be released soon, it's pretty harsh dealing with the current situation with this lack of comedy worldwide. Guys, we could use a laugh, we need you. Big virtual hugs from Europe✌️
What an incredible show that was. It was a really profound experience going through it. I'm really happy he said: "I'm going to do something like this again", I hope he's still holding to that.
I couldn’t disagree more. In the podcast they did earlier they discussed their fall out in depth, and both of them was a 100 percent accountable for their friendship not working out. If anything, maron felt like walking away because louis got successful and famous. It’s a great listen, and you can hear how they start being friends again during their podcast. When the whole thing with louis happened, maron put out this 20 minute talk about the situasion on one of his podcasts, and describes the whole thing in a very serious manner, from the perspective of someone who has found out that someone they care about deeply have done something they find really troubling. It’s kind of hard to listen to, you should check it out though, i feel like it sheds some light on how complicated of a character louis really is
Thank you for sharing this entire conversation. Watching the first time through is a lot to process. I watched the whole series years ago, will have to go back again after all of this extra context.
It has been over 6 years since H&P was released. And it has also 6 years since I have been trying to find someone who watched it or willing to watch it. At this point, I'll just take some 'pride' in 'keeping this myself'. Anyone else in a similar boat? I can only imagine that since CK's scandal in 2017, that is a bigger sale to pitch.
The scandal for sure but also the unique format of the show is a little jarring, especially the first episode or two. The set looks like a traditional sitcom, but the content and lack of laugh track don’t fit. I remember watching the first episode when it debuted and turned it off after 10min. Now that it’s on Hulu I finally gave it another shot and “forced” myself to give it a real shot and by episode 3 I was fully bought in. Similarly to you I want to tell my friends about it but I don’t think I could successfully get them to watch.
@@djestouff The format and content can definitely make it jarring. The only reason I kept watching was hoping to find laughter considering CK's body of work and the fact that I paid. The end of 1st episode left me somewhat intrigued. I was also curious to which new bar patrons (comedians) were going to appear. And yes, by the end 3rd (which I did not have the "benefit" of a episode description) I was overwhelming compelled to finish the whole thing. Little did I know I was going to emotional battered by a series like no other. What made you stick with it, after all this time?
I love the way they talk and think about art and artists. If it was anyone else I would’ve thought “my god this is pretentious” but I respect their work and opinions too much so it got me this time.
This is the second time I’ve listened to this episode because of the amount of detail and insight there is of having someone coming up with such a real idea and it’s like being there with him while he describes it
It is funny at times yes. It is loaded with stars. But that doesn't distract from the intensity, and from the confronting emotion in this show. I just watched the first episode watched with my boyfriend after watching the series at home the night before. Louis and his cast did important work here.
On amazon prime. Not for everyone. Has a morbidity to it. Some funny moments, but it is not comedy. Wished there was more. But the ending resolves all plotlines. Includes Alan Alda & Steve Buscemi. It's brilliant.
Such a strange but great show. Im not going to lie the first half of the first episode I was nervous I was going to hate it.. but it got better. Much better
H&P ... such a great show, really great actors and scenes ... and then the sucko sicko finale. The Alan Alda line, racism isn't what you say it's what you do. I've been saying that for a long time when everything is racism all over the place on some issues.
What do you do when you are drowing for art? America has this tendency to put the people that made it on a pedestal. I think its a specific consciousness as well, being there -- when you are there, you need to applaud yourself from the position you are in in order to give meaning to the struggle. This belief in making it ... I need to know where it comes from, and I wonder if it is culturally dying.
Yes it is dying of it hadnt already passed a long time ago. The thing about true artists. They are tragically ignored or underated. Or they have a really misunderstood style. Or just flat out go un noticed. As the saying goes. "Only thr good die young" that means alot more than just death. While you or i absolutely see and are experiencing what is to be known as louie CK as an artist. No one will acknowledge his brilliance (atleast the main stream masses) unfortunately until he is gone. Thats just the way the world works. He will live on for as long as we have the ability to play audio. Or he will go the way of the Greg Geraldo. One of the best but quickly forgotten as he was only in comedy for a short period of time. If i remember correctly he was a lawyer or a wall street trader that had a serious cocaine habit. That traded all of that for a chance at comedy and he was going to be huge. Till he died. All comedians die early. All of them.
I definitely bought this whole series and would like to re-watch it. I think it was promoted and offered directly on a website? At any rate, I bought it and I have no idea where it exists except on hulu apparently. A streaming service I choose not to have. Fuck me
I tried liking Horace and Pete but it seemed to lack a meaningful narrative and the dialog was a bit forced and preachy at times. Louie on the other hand is a Masterpiece.
They are two very different shows. Horace and Pete is basically staged as a play for the theater, so the dialogue works absolutely different, it's a whole different genre. The dialogues are not supposed to be natural, the emphasis is on the writing and the acting.
@@guillervz Yes they obviously were different shows and different genres. Louie was a masterpiece in its genre. Horace and Pete missed the mark and was borderline cringe.
@@Pablito5614 It has very good moments, but it's far from being a masterpiece, I agree. It's good as an experiment. I think the best parts are when the characters simply tell a story, which is something that Louis CK does very well. I think Louis CK can become a better writer of dramas if he works with someone else who can see the bigger picture more clearly, since you can tell he is still a rookie making plots. It would be smart of him to team up with someone.
Marc Maron is such a terrible interviewer; you know when someone's fragile ego intercepts, when every other sentence cuts in with "yeah" or "right" or "sure" or just rudely interrupts with a comment that the interviewee would eventually say anyway. He has all the elegance and wit of someone sitting one row ahead of you in a movie, loudly and constantly predicting what's going to happen next, because everything has to be all about him.
@@generichuman_ Marc interrupting Louis with yeah, right is just too much. A good interviewer listens and let's the guest finish his thought before he chimes in
If I ever want my outlook on life to be depressing, miserable and cruel, this is the show I'll watch. It's maudlin, heavy, soul crushing and as dreary an outlook as anyone who lives in a dive bar could create. If melancholy is your natural state of existence then this crap is for you. Nothing will pound your optimism into the dirt like this drab and awful mouthful of crumbling plaster. Louis makes billions $$$ telling jokes and making people happy but his rotten self image and insistence that life is a shit storm to be endured makes everything he touches rot like a tumor. Too many people think the negative part of life is more real, more truthful, and more necessary than the positive. They think that if it's deep and insightful to find the worst in others, to embrace the tragic with long lasting depressing consequences and to repeat ad-nauseam the mantra that life ends in death and we are all doomed to misery and unhappiness.
Horace and Pete was devastating and so, so good. I really hope Louis C.K. has new things in the works.
Yeah it’s pretty much old stuff regurgitated for UA-cam advertisements… that jerking off incident screwed himself… literally and figuratively… too soon?
Horace and Pete will be dissected in academia years from now, no doubt. A modern classic, way ahead of it's time.
Concur
Horace and Pete was one of the best shows I’ve ever seen in my life. The anti sitcom that actually makes you feel real life feelings.
Essentially it's a play.
My bad, Louis recognizes that. Lol
Exactly
Absolutely brilliant show. Gives me chills when I revisit it. The writing, characters, and scenarios are so authentic and real. The show makes you feel so much. It embodies/captures the tragedy/dark comedy of what life really is for so many people. I honestly think that those who don't appreciate this show may be lacking in depth and lacking in an ability to recognize the human condition, or they don't like the rawness of life being authentically portrayed.
the show is a work of art if anyone hasnt seen it yet
Gets real dark at times. Real complex dialogue and emotions. Definitely a brilliant piece
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People, you have to watch this show if you haven't seen it before. It's tragic, it really is a sad show, but it is also the truest thing you'll see on a screen for a long time.
I would like to see him again performing in Italy too; we love the guy!
Louis is just the best representation of these times, in his (as anyone else's) fuc*ed up way. But at the same time he is a true artist, and not only for his unique stand-up comedy...
Horace and Pete and Louie are just two the most incredibly shows out there, nobody's work comes close to those two gems.
I hope something new will be released soon, it's pretty harsh dealing with the current situation with this lack of comedy worldwide.
Guys, we could use a laugh, we need you.
Big virtual hugs from Europe✌️
What an incredible show that was. It was a really profound experience going through it. I'm really happy he said: "I'm going to do something like this again", I hope he's still holding to that.
So glad I snagged a DVD version of the series.
One of the best things created in any medium.
Horace and Pete was the best release of 2016. Brilliant, and profound as fuck.
The episode with Laurie Metcalf still haunts me
Amazing writing, such a great episode
One of the greatest shows I've seen so far.
Just stumbled across this, definitely gonna re-watch this show when I get home
Louis is a true artist. He cares about the art, and the quality of the art more than anything monetary
It feels to me like Maron fell out with Louis, made up with him because he was successful, and then was eager to jump on the train canceling him.
I couldn’t disagree more. In the podcast they did earlier they discussed their fall out in depth, and both of them was a 100 percent accountable for their friendship not working out. If anything, maron felt like walking away because louis got successful and famous. It’s a great listen, and you can hear how they start being friends again during their podcast.
When the whole thing with louis happened, maron put out this 20 minute talk about the situasion on one of his podcasts, and describes the whole thing in a very serious manner, from the perspective of someone who has found out that someone they care about deeply have done something they find really troubling. It’s kind of hard to listen to, you should check it out though, i feel like it sheds some light on how complicated of a character louis really is
100% Horace and Pete was a masterpiece.
Thank you for sharing this entire conversation. Watching the first time through is a lot to process. I watched the whole series years ago, will have to go back again after all of this extra context.
It has been over 6 years since H&P was released. And it has also 6 years since I have been trying to find someone who watched it or willing to watch it. At this point, I'll just take some 'pride' in 'keeping this myself'. Anyone else in a similar boat? I can only imagine that since CK's scandal in 2017, that is a bigger sale to pitch.
The scandal for sure but also the unique format of the show is a little jarring, especially the first episode or two. The set looks like a traditional sitcom, but the content and lack of laugh track don’t fit. I remember watching the first episode when it debuted and turned it off after 10min. Now that it’s on Hulu I finally gave it another shot and “forced” myself to give it a real shot and by episode 3 I was fully bought in. Similarly to you I want to tell my friends about it but I don’t think I could successfully get them to watch.
@@djestouff The format and content can definitely make it jarring. The only reason I kept watching was hoping to find laughter considering CK's body of work and the fact that I paid. The end of 1st episode left me somewhat intrigued. I was also curious to which new bar patrons (comedians) were going to appear.
And yes, by the end 3rd (which I did not have the "benefit" of a episode description) I was overwhelming compelled to finish the whole thing. Little did I know I was going to emotional battered by a series like no other.
What made you stick with it, after all this time?
Awesome interview, it was so fascinating to hear the stories and processes behind everything after watching the show.
I really hope louie release a commentary track for this shpw one day
I should watch this again
Fascinating interview
Easily best show I've ever laid eyes upon
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Mark is a true master at just shutting up
Thanks for posting
“I’m alone in the garage”.
This just made me want to watch It.
Brilliant show and a great podcast episode!
Straight away the first people he casts are two of the sopranos whose respective shows had just finished
God! I lOVed this conversation!
Priceless ! All I need is the truth
Great podcast about a great show. It’s strange that it’s already been seven years since it started. It feels like yesterday.
"You get to a point where it's like, we can exchange a few words but we're not gonna fix nothing. It's all dug in. And you never could've fixed it."
I love the way they talk and think about art and artists. If it was anyone else I would’ve thought “my god this is pretentious” but I respect their work and opinions too much so it got me this time.
This is the second time I’ve listened to this episode because of the amount of detail and insight there is of having someone coming up with such a real idea and it’s like being there with him while he describes it
Louis is a profoundly brilliant artist.
'If you can hit and die and then come back.. then that's something.' - Louis CK on future Louis CK
Preach it, man.
I cried so much!
It is funny at times yes. It is loaded with stars. But that doesn't distract from the intensity, and from the confronting emotion in this show.
I just watched the first episode watched with my boyfriend after watching the series at home the night before.
Louis and his cast did important work here.
When Stephen Wright comes in and puts down his own napkin and is served mostly without comment, it felt real and not studied. There's a back story.
I had to ask Google when Joe Pesci "passed," and was pleased to find out he's still with us.
Never have seen anything like it
On amazon prime. Not for everyone. Has a morbidity to it. Some funny moments, but it is not comedy. Wished there was more. But the ending resolves all plotlines. Includes Alan Alda & Steve Buscemi. It's brilliant.
LOL. Jack Nicholson's no was the best no ever @ 36 minute mark.
Such a strange but great show. Im not going to lie the first half of the first episode I was nervous I was going to hate it.. but it got better. Much better
It's a damn shame we never got a live production of this show.
Louis CK is basically Paul O
I loved lucky Louie
when was this recorded
April.. 2016 , according to mixcloud
H&P ... such a great show, really great actors and scenes ... and then the sucko sicko finale.
The Alan Alda line, racism isn't what you say it's what you do.
I've been saying that for a long time when everything is racism all over the place on some issues.
What is the line they talk around 1:27:00?
I feel like Marc is very backhanded toward Louis.
It's a distopian Cheers. Brilliant.
Saudi 🇸🇦 was here
What do you do when you are drowing for art? America has this tendency to put the people that made it on a pedestal. I think its a specific consciousness as well, being there -- when you are there, you need to applaud yourself from the position you are in in order to give meaning to the struggle. This belief in making it ... I need to know where it comes from, and I wonder if it is culturally dying.
Yes it is dying of it hadnt already passed a long time ago.
The thing about true artists.
They are tragically ignored or underated.
Or they have a really misunderstood style. Or just flat out go un noticed.
As the saying goes. "Only thr good die young" that means alot more than just death.
While you or i absolutely see and are experiencing what is to be known as louie CK as an artist.
No one will acknowledge his brilliance (atleast the main stream masses) unfortunately until he is gone.
Thats just the way the world works.
He will live on for as long as we have the ability to play audio.
Or he will go the way of the Greg Geraldo. One of the best but quickly forgotten as he was only in comedy for a short period of time.
If i remember correctly he was a lawyer or a wall street trader that had a serious cocaine habit. That traded all of that for a chance at comedy and he was going to be huge. Till he died.
All comedians die early.
All of them.
@@krotchlickmeugh627 Nope. George Carlin might be the exception that proves the rule though🙂
Where's this from?
wtf podcast by marc maron.
We now know Louis is friends with Meryl Streep so it's a pretty safe bet that he'd written the ex-wife part for her
is horace and pete just white guy tyler perry lmao
I definitely bought this whole series and would like to re-watch it. I think it was promoted and offered directly on a website? At any rate, I bought it and I have no idea where it exists except on hulu apparently. A streaming service I choose not to have. Fuck me
I wonder who he originally wanted for Horace's wife.
Loved horace and pete except louis cant act too much face touching😂alan alda abd laura metcalf were excellent
Pretty bleak but so realistic.
How does any self respecting actor who consider themselves a real artist turn that show down. It’s phenomenal
LCK sounds like he's high.
Who would have imagined he was a full of himself S.O?
I tried liking Horace and Pete but it seemed to lack a meaningful narrative and the dialog was a bit forced and preachy at times. Louie on the other hand is a Masterpiece.
They are two very different shows. Horace and Pete is basically staged as a play for the theater, so the dialogue works absolutely different, it's a whole different genre. The dialogues are not supposed to be natural, the emphasis is on the writing and the acting.
@@guillervz Yes they obviously were different shows and different genres. Louie was a masterpiece in its genre. Horace and Pete missed the mark and was borderline cringe.
@@Pablito5614 It has very good moments, but it's far from being a masterpiece, I agree. It's good as an experiment. I think the best parts are when the characters simply tell a story, which is something that Louis CK does very well. I think Louis CK can become a better writer of dramas if he works with someone else who can see the bigger picture more clearly, since you can tell he is still a rookie making plots. It would be smart of him to team up with someone.
@@guillervz Well I guess we won't know till they release "I love you daddy"
How so? Mind if you give examples?
Marc Maron is such a terrible interviewer; you know when someone's fragile ego intercepts, when every other sentence cuts in with "yeah" or "right" or "sure" or just rudely interrupts with a comment that the interviewee would eventually say anyway. He has all the elegance and wit of someone sitting one row ahead of you in a movie, loudly and constantly predicting what's going to happen next, because everything has to be all about him.
I thought I finally found a UA-cam video without a single idiotic comment on it, but then there you were..
@@generichuman_ Marc interrupting Louis with yeah, right is just too much. A good interviewer listens and let's the guest finish his thought before he chimes in
Yes. He can't be quiet for more than 10 seconds. It's unbearable.
If I ever want my outlook on life to be depressing, miserable and cruel, this is the show I'll watch. It's maudlin, heavy, soul crushing and as dreary an outlook as anyone who lives in a dive bar could create. If melancholy is your natural state of existence then this crap is for you. Nothing will pound your optimism into the dirt like this drab and awful mouthful of crumbling plaster.
Louis makes billions $$$ telling jokes and making people happy but his rotten self image and insistence that life is a shit storm to be endured makes everything he touches rot like a tumor.
Too many people think the negative part of life is more real, more truthful, and more necessary than the positive. They think that if it's deep and insightful to find the worst in others, to embrace the tragic with long lasting depressing consequences and to repeat ad-nauseam the mantra that life ends in death and we are all doomed to misery and unhappiness.