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I’m so very sorry for Leah having to go through this as a young girl. She’s amazing for telling her story! These predators need to be called out and exposed. I can’t help but think of all parents sending their children to these places thinking they will be safe. 😢
The ministry needs to be closed down! Rick Joyner needs to retire and repent and never ever be in ministry again! I am so glad that it is all being exposed!
Marriage does NOT cure a porn addict (sex addict). This woman was so wise & bold for her age while this was going on & thank God she did not marry this man.
John, Erica, and Leah, thank you so much for this video. Thank you for bringing these stories into the full light of day. Leah, thank you for your courage and willingness to put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It’s been a very long journey for many. I have also experienced firsthand, spiritual abuse at the hands of MStar leaders. It didn’t involve SA, but it caused significant pain and trauma. Im personally still working through the ability to fully heal and overcome the fallout of what happened. I’m shocked by the things you’ve disclosed and it’s both abhorrent and reprehensible . Having been there for many years and trusting my preteen and teenage children into the hands of these leaders- knowing the extent of this devastation and that is has happened to a multitude of people- is beyond heartbreaking and grievous. I’m praying for justice and righteousness to prevail. For the healing of hearts and minds, and for relationships to be restored.
I just wrote like an essay in the comment section but I decided it was TMI and erased it. I am so very sorry for everything that you have gone through Leah, but i am so thankful for your boldness in sharing. This brought up so many sad and difficult memories for myself and for loved ones who experienced different forms of abuse there too.
**Sad and difficult memories, but I think super important in bringing awareness, providing space for others to share and/or heal from all of this, and a reminder/call to leadership to make changes.
Hi dear! I want to say. We’ve been considering starting a Facebook group for all who abused just to share experiences and also fill in some gaps for us and get clarity and potentially some healing. Would you consider being apart of that group if I created one?
Hey! I definitely would! It was only a couple months after turning 17 that I started at MSU, and there are so many things that happened that I am only realizing now that were wrong/not normal - as we have all been discussing it/I am having to face repressed and dissociated memories and stuff that I was so oblivious to at such a young age.
Thank you, Leah, for coming forth with this story. This was such a valuable dialogue. I will be passing this along, and no doubt it is going to affect numerous lives of those who have been intimated by so called "leadership', and told to shut up and go away. Such arrogance and self-righteousness from the Rick Joyner Gnostic bandwagon...the issue is false teaching, of the very nature and character of God, and the very foundation of these "teachers" has been false for many years. Be a change agent, Leah, press into the Lord and go into the secret place with all your heart, and He will lead you into all truth. Weak men, who are not led by God's Spirit, become cowards when they blame an attractive woman on their own lack of real relationship with Christ Jesus. John and Erica, you are a great team. Thank you so much! and continue on...Blessings🕊
I just redid a training for child SA prevention and was reminded that predators will engage in boundary violations in front of other people to signal to their victims that the other people are OK with it. So his behavior toward Leah around other people was part of his grooming pattern. Makes me sick!
Ohh I didn’t even know that this was a tactic of abusers but that’s absolutely what it felt like. Like he’s doing this in public? But thankfully my friend saw it happen as well.
I didn’t know you could take a course like that! My children were sad by the teenage children of a very spiritual family in our church. I didnt know until years later.
@@Theleahwolfyes. It’s a way they test what they can get away with AND they groom the community to think that behavior is OK. They do these things to get people to ignore their gut feelings and discernment that something’s wrong. They do these tests to normalize inappropriate behavior. I am so very sorry these things happened to you and anyone else.
I found that Stephen Alls is “pastoring" at The Father's House in Myrtle Beach, NC... I am furious of said abuse that is so rampant in the church today as leadership continues to cover it up while protecting the ship not the sheep! As for me in my house, we stand with God's heart for the protection of His daughters…. I am so sorry Leah you have had to go through this! I could not help myself as I reached out via "contact us" to his current pastor gig? (sorry, I don't consider SSA a calling from God) with the following: "Can you pls let me know what you will be doing as a church to hold Mr Alls accountable for his former actions of sexual abuse while in leadership at Morningstar? Also, what are you doing as a pastoral team to make sure these actions are not being done there even now at the Father's House given his history?" May the Lord continue to discipline us by grace leading us all into repentance and right standing not of our own righteousness but of Christ!
This became rampant when Apostles and Prophets 'suddenly' came on to the scene in the 80s and 90s and proper church structures were uprooted for the 'New Wine Skin Church' model. These Apostles and Prophets are accountable to no one. Even C. Peter Wagner concluded this.
This is very sad to hear, especially in light of the other recent revelations at M*. I had no idea this kind of thing was going on while we were there and honestly thought M* was the last place it would have happened until recently. I pray for all our classmates, and all who were harmed, that they find healing in Christ.
Thank you to all who speak truth to power! I’m reminded that the enemy gets taken out by his own weapons. Each person trained or raised within this system has unique ability and knowledge to tear it down - which appears to be God’s desire and design. Well done to each of you!!
The way this was handled is exactly like group sexual abuse methods- silence the victims, tell them you can't talk about this, and then turn it back on them to make them look like they are the guilty one! It's so disgusting!
This is HORRIFIC. Our Lord is truly separating the chaff from the wheat. Judgement has come! Im an Author, Poet, Writer and Investigative Researcher, in Melbourne, Australia. I’ve had traumatic Spiritually emotional and verbal abuse. In my ongoing research, I’ve witnessed a domino effect during the past 2 years of Ministers, Pastors, etc falling, oh, and how the fall has been great! Also, rightfully required, to say the least. This just breaks my heart to bits. I can’t imagine how the Lord is deeply grieved, not to mention, the victims, too. Currently, I simply can’t walk into a church. I do believe that will change, however, for 2 years I find it deeply hard to walk into a church. I expose and raise awareness, too. It’s just so cruel. Yours in prayer, Salwa.
Thank you for coming forward. The projection of the lust these men had upon you girls is stunning. They were guilty but blamed the girls for being temptresses. And to do it prophetically using the Lord’s name in vain is unconscionable. 😡
I think you named it! Projection! That’s exactly what these men were doing to these young girls when they verbally labeled them. It’s so horrific to hear of all the lives they derailed with their own selfish nature.
Praying for the young ladies and wiping their foreheads was a huge manipulation tactic! Wow!!!! That was intentionally done to cover up the abuse of these young ladies. Hoy crap! MorningStar must be investigated!!!!! I signed the petition.
They are jealous if women or men are better than them in any way, in this case Leah is beautiful and that´s the "problem" for those braiwashed jerks and bullies. If they can´t use you/abuse you, you are the problem. I hope and pray for exposure , this is a cult. Been there
This is so hard to watch... the details are gut wrenching. I am sorry that you Leah went through all of that. I cannot even begin to imagine how that has hurt you (and those who suffered the same). You deserved better! Really did!!!
Finally! The ship is going down ..I left a morning star bethel hybrid over 15 yrs ago and I thank the Lord for getting me out and freeing me from the religious, jezebel,martyr coo koo for Cocoa puff spirit 🙃
Wolf. You’ll know them by their fruits. There are so few true bold shepherds leading today that Rick seems kinda “normal” when he’s just another ravenous wolf. The Lord Jesus will judge him. And the earthly church should too.
It seems to me that the leadership did not apologize to the girls who were abused, in case they filed lawsuits. The apology would likely be taken as an admission of guilt in a court of law. Guilt and shame was put on the girls to make them feel like they were at fault and intimidate them into not testifying against the abusers, as they would likely be painted in court as a seductress.
I went to Mstar 05-07 in the school and worked there from 07-08. I hated working there, I experienced abusive and toxic management. It was the worst and best experience. The best because after I left I decided to really study the Bible and continue so and realized how ridiculous MSTar is. I still believe in the gifts but don’t believe mstar practiced these gifts in a way that was both biblical and ethical. These guys are so full of them selves and delusional. I can testify that leaders had special ones and usually it was an attractive female. As a guy, and single at that time, I remember the projection- like we the leaders got protect the ladies from the young lustful bucks, guess though they are the old beastly men instead.
I went to the MorningStar school of ministry probably a year before y’all did and was one of the student team worship leaders and I had no idea this was going on with either of the Steve’s. Anyway. This has been the most helpful of all of the podcasts I’ve seen with this topic in all the ministries going on these days. The three of you are clearly not doing this out of vindication or offense which is very encouraging. Not that there isn’t any room for offense when terrible things happen but I can tell in your posture it isn’t your desire to spread vitriol but rather freedom from this terrible place the church now find itself in.
I agree. I was 2018 and 2019 student. It is hard for me to follow or listen to those who dish out recycled info on UA-cam....especially Wake Up and Win. The 3 on this video do an excellent job and you can tell they don't have any vindictive motives.
This is absolutely crazy. The amount of this stuff coming out about churches and church leaders I don't think I have ever seen in my time in the faith. This is why I no longer want to be apart of church circles because church seems to be a painful space instead of being a space safety and healing. So sorry this has happened to you guys and I hope you guys can find healing and peace.
Tucker Carlson said it best, and with great insight for a new believer. He was pondering why he didn’t want to go to church because so many leaders were so flawed. He gave this plain and simple answer, not to justify evil deeds, by any means, simply to clarify the body of Christs’ place in all of this. Tucker said, and I quote; “As soon as they commit their lives to Gods’ call, they come under spiritual attack”! The attack is relative to the call. Yes, they can resist, but we ALL KNOW the challenge of enticing temptation from our greatest enemy. This should encourage us to pray for our leaders more than ever.
OMG! I old male leader tells a young woman- she has the spirit of lust! That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. This is absurd. They are completely idiots.
Thank you for this wonderful interview. This is evil. The founder often enabled the predators. He owes you an apology, Leah. I feel sorry for you. This kind of spiritual manipulation and behavior is like a wolf put on sheepskin. This is injustice. If the source is not right, it doesn't matter the content of the books or sermons.
Thanks for sharing . Such a mess this world is in. Thank God he sent his son into it, Don't ever give up the good fight of the true faith. Healing and forgiveness found in one and may he lead you always forward into all his pathways of life !
It's right to speak up and needed. 'Do not fear, for I am with you; do not be afraid, for I am your God. I will strengthen you; I will surely help you; I will uphold you with My right hand of righteousness' Isaiah 41;10
Back when Todd Bentley was “restored” at Morningstar about this same time in 2009 and 2010 me and others made a huge fuss about it online. I emailed Joyner with a lot of boldness. It’s a shame people don’t speak up more. That’s what enables this stuff to keep happening.
We and so many others tried as well! We weren’t heard because it’s very hard because as soon as we started speaking up, we just got so attacked! We are even now
I applaud how calm and collected you were in this interview. I went through a very similar situation and it was so enraging to hear this happened to you. I had a husband wife pastor team do the EXACT SAME thing with the clothing comment. I was wearing jeans and a turtleneck lol. I was also told i was a jezebel simply because I said Hello to a male congregant when i saw him at a restaurant. I was also called into a "meeting" to be told i needed to repent and no one at the church liked me. I felt psychologically assaulted. It was truly one of worst experiences of my life.
Also I didn’t feel calm at all. I was so stressed talking about these things! It’s so heavy and it’s like digging pain out of your body. It’s been healing but thank you so much for saying I was calm 😂
@Theleahwolf Did you experience any ptsd afterward? I was at a very small house church when I experienced this. Being in this spiritual bubble made me deeply question myself especially with such an "annointed" teacher. I felt must they be right. It took a long time to regain confidence in my own critical thinking.
God bless you all. I am praying for God to reveal to me His heart for victims, bc I feel it is not a priority in the church and is always covered up. Usually women are blamed and men are defended and its so wrong and leads souls to hell bc its so evil.
The reason why I clicked on this video is because I saw the thumbnail and said "Wow that is a way gorgeous girl." The reason how I know that that's true is because I had that same thought about 20 times when watching this video. Well that's a bummer. She clearly wanted to have nothing to do with the guy but yet she was being accused of being the girl that got the guy got fired. It sounds like yet another example of the crummy stuff that goes on in this satan dominated world that we are living in. I am sorry that these things happened to this dear lady.
I’m beginning to believe people are done with charismatic kool-aid. A good bible verse for the younger ones is 1 Timothy 4:12-13. “Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word, in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity.”
Yes it’s because people are becoming more self aware and if they have a relationship with the lord then the lord is saying things outside of what leaders are saying because so many leaders are so corrupt. And just so so much abuse in the church is well known
There was a very aberrant teaching back in the 70s and early 80s Charismatic movement called the "shepherding' or 'discipleship' movement. In this movement there was heavy emphasis on being obedient to local 'shepherds' who told you whom to date, where to work, etc. Eventually it died out; or so I thought. It seems there was a resurgence of this kind of thinking there are MS.
I'm so sorry for what happened to you from those whom you should have been able to trust and who should have been the ones to protect you from ravenous wolves such as they were exposed to be. My heart breaks that instead y-o-u were the one who was wrongly accused and had "spiritual" principles used against you by lying about you. My heart breaks for the betrayals you endured from your peers as well. I pray you have been able to know how wrong this was and how much our Lord Jesus will never leave you or forsake you and He knows the truth. He knows about betrayals and being wrongly accused, so in this way you are sharing in the persecution of our Lord Jesus. I pray His blessings upon you and that you will hit the mark God has for your life. Thank you for courageously speaking your truth. I pray it helps many who may be experiencing the same.
Why am I JUST NOW HEARING ABOUT THIS????? This is breaking my heart in pieces. Erica you and my daughter should have come to me! I would have moved Heaven and Earth for you two. I am so sorry you girls went through this, my heart is breaking and this explains so much now. I wish I would have known, maybe I could have done something, maybe not, but I sure would have tried. I just remember being so excited that you 3 girls were going to have this “wonderful” experience. This is so painful to hear about for me, but I cannot imagine what it has been like for you girls. I love all 3 of you very much and continue to pray for you. This is not who God is and what He is about.
Unfortunately, this has been going on for a long long time. It happened to me to a certain degree in a Vineyard church over 30 years ago. I'm in my mid-60s, I was in my early 30s then. A married pastor and I got involved. I'm not saying I was innocent, but there was definitely some SA going on. He should never have been alone with me at any point. And he was. This is a huge rule that should not be broken for any reason in any church, and would prevent a lot of SA.
Joyner is a elitist that believes he (and his carefully crafted cabal) is to advanced and superior to be judged by anyone outside of his circle. He creates a atmosphere of "the anointed ones" that others could only dream of being a part of and if they totally bow to the anointed their dream comes true. The atmosphere that creates vulnerable people not realizing what their walking into has been crafted by the false teaching of the New Apostolic hatching the prophetic "prophetic movement".
This is so sad. What the Lord must think about all this horrific mess? How could God be speaking anything to the leaders of this ministry other than about their personal repentence? No "ministry" is more important than the people.
I have seen that it is spiritual there is a predator spirit that recognizes victims. It isn’t the victims fault but it have seem time and time again that when someone is abused abusive spirits recognize it and seek them out. It is demonic. Baal and abuse
Leah, Good for u - Not allowing yourself to be manipulated into marrying the young man that should NOT have been pastoring youth that he was lusting after & addicted to porn, & what wasn’t he possibly telling u & the staff? And just to let u know how bad things could have went for u - have u heard about the John Paul Miller & Mica Miller Story?
No I haven’t! I’ll look into it! Thank you for your kind words! I think it’s time we uncover the really awful side of the church that has been hurting so many innocents
I think the point in the interview is that Rick Joyner said Thompson was fired for similar reasons, but there has been NO allegations from potential victims of any such behavior from Steve Thompson. Important distinction!
@@EmilyElston-l7f Hi Emily. You're doing great work. I saw your site and was going to email you. Are you familiar with Mishel M's book on Joyner? "The View Beneath" is the true story of one woman’s journey into religious deception through the teachings of Rick Joyner, a spiritually dangerous leader that many consider a true prophet. After moving to North Carolina to attend his ministry school, she began her descent into a dark, deceptive movement that took her away from Biblical Christianity and immersed her in another gospel. "Part testimony, part expose, The View Beneath is an inside look at the growing invasion of dangerous false doctrine. Mishel investigates deep beneath the surface of MorningStar Ministries and the Dominionist Movement at large. "She candidly shares her journey as she discovers that beneath the double speak, the Christian-sounding terms, beneath the claims of trips to heaven and divine revelation, beneath the prophecy and claims of a Kingdom ruled by men, what is really being taught is the occult." It's on Amazon. Curious to know how accurate it is from those who went to MSM and are now speaking out. This could be a good YT episode if a few of you can read it and want to discuss it.
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺 Thanks for sharing this. Are these abusers still in ministry? Stephen Alls? Or Steven Thompson? (I'm not sure how to spell these) Do they still have links with Morningstar? If they are still in ministry shouldn't the church they are involved with know about this? Blessings for speaking out and revealing the truth. Blessings Andrew
@@TheleahwolfI feel like the new churches these men are employed with now are committing a crime if they have been informed of the SA these men have inflicted on others. They need to be charged and prosecuted!
One time while I was at Morningstar Rick Joyner yelled this from the pulpit with his forearm and fist raised high “If you keep thinking thoughts like that every thought will go that direction, Help Meeeeee Don’t be Afraid!!!”
I am shocked that a minister advised a young woman to marry a man with a serious addiction to lust and pedophilia, putting the burden on her for his salvation and deliverance, which only Jesus could bear, as well as risking her health and sanity, and the safety of her children, if she married that man. It's right up there with what a friend told me about a man she married on her pastor's advice. He wasn't a Christian, though he attended church, and the pastor knew it. He said she should marry him because she was probably the only one who could bring him to Jesus. When she went back later to tell the pastor that her husband was beating her, he said she should stay with him, even if he kills her. Never before now have I heard of a case equivalent to this of a pastor giving someone advice that is absolutely evil.
Hi Leah, and my brother and sister in Jesus Christ. The church world wide is mostly in this leadership sin. What happens is that they have not denied their lives, nor picked up their cross, nor followed after Jesus. As soon as there is a church leadership that is crossless, the fear of the Lord, His Holiness and love diminishes and is not fully understood as a direct revelation from the Lord through His Holy Spirit. In such crossless leadership you will always find the fleshly nature active, so active that it's power is overwhelming to the point that it will always lead to taking advantage and grooming those around them that their eye beholds and admires. There is not jezebel spirit upon the victims in most instances, the jezebel spirit is upon them in it's entirety. Ruling them as leaders of the church and not the Holy Spirit of the Lord. That Holy Spirit they have abandoned and Jesus and the Holy Spirit moves outside of the actual church and familiar spirits come in to lead the leadership into profanity and to make their victims feel guilty all the time. Just don't let them lay their hands on you and pray, for they actually are transferring that jezebal and profane and dirty and naughty spirits upon you. As the Bible says, Let no man lay their hands on you speedily. Leah and co, many dear brother and sisters in Jesus Christ our Lord please start small groups and pray. It is the end now and the church as we know it is going to be judged and not rise as we see it operating today. Soon the antichrist will rise and churches are going "underground". As the Word says "Look unto yourselves for the devil has come down with great wrath upon the earth." Paraphrasing, but I sure you catch the jist of it. These churches could of started out okay, but through time and preaching compromise the Lord Himself has handed them over to satan for sifting. Right now the church should be talking about getting reading without spot, blemish or wrinkle as the Bride of Christ. Churches should be warning the saints about the beast system rising and the coming persecution and to armor up spiritually and to pray pray pray. These are the things that should be preached about, but instead the false leaders are corrupting the sheep, even sexually and they think nothing of it. Well, The Lord sees all and the Lord now comes to judge. So abide in Him who is able to save, deny your life and be filled with His Spirit and not close to familiar spirits. The judgements of God start first in the house of the Lord, the church, and now we see and hear all these churches of late that are having light shone on their darkness, because it is time, He judgements upon the church as come. God bless you and keep you. If you looking for a good christian channel, go the the masters voice - celestial. Warning its not for milk drinkers but for those who can pallet meat. God bless, may the Lord Jesus Christ cover your all.
I can’t really even tell you how much this means to me! Thank you! We are being seriously attacked for speaking out and thank you for reminding me of the truth
45:00ish logic is treated as unspiritual in much of charismaticism. You don't want to think through the absurdities or you'll see stuff for what it is, absurd. They call people who engage in critical thinking, asking questions, or analyzing being closed to The Spirit or quenching The Spirit when the Church actually teaches the opposite, to test the spirits and evaluate what is said, throwing away the bad (1 John 4, 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22)
My family and I left NYC and moved to Fort Mill, SC in 2013 to be a part of MorningStar. At the time I was 46 my daughter was 14 and my son 5. We stayed until mid 2018. We left because things did not seem right. I admired Rick for years before we left MS in 2018. But know I truly believe he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I believe in the gifts of the Spirit (healing the sick, speaking in tongues, etc) but that doesn't mean that there isn't false ministers that pretend to be ministers. There are plenty of problems that has occurred at MS that shows corruptness from within the false leadership. And regarding the SA - even if any of those who have been SA'd did provoke things (which I do not believe any did) that does not make it right for someone to yield to doing sexual things or sending texts, etc. First these men like Stephen Alls is married. Secondly, even if he was not married it's a sin to fornicate (which is having sex when you are not married), and therefore even if he's not married, he should not be sending sexual texts or touching anyone in any sexual way - it's all called sexual immorality. It's like Chris Reed, who is another false minister, he says that by him only (supposedly) touching Kathryn's private part from the outside of her clothes that therefore it was not a sexual act. What a wicked man to try and tell the world that he did not commit a sexual act. People are not stupid. Just delusional people who for some reason don't see how serious things are. A Christian that is not a leader in the body of Christ is supposed to flee from immorality. How much more a Christian leader is supposed to set the example. And for those who think that someone like Leah should not come forward and expose this - you people are crazy. People need to be aware what's going on in churches and what churches and ministers are committing these sinful acts. Even if these ministers truly repent, they should most likely never be a leader in the body of Christ or it should take a few years to prove themselves and even then (let's say after 5 years of not being a ministry leader) then they need to start at the bottom and grow into leadership after time. Otherwise, who can truly trust that they have repented or will go back to the same sins. It's a very touchy matter with the restoration part of it. Anyway, keep being bold Leah, and all others that have been violated. I pray you keep drawing closer to the Lord and making sure that your lives are truly surrendered completely to the Lord. Keep praying for those who mistreat you and blessing those who curse you. But that doesn't mean that you don't use your voice. May God be glorified.
@@edwardsoto252 Ask Doug Weise why he has staff take lie detector tests in leadership... Because they are RECOVERING SEXUAL INTEGRITY CHALLENGED ADDICTS?!?
“make sure your lives are truly surrendered to the Lord”? And it’s not their job to pray for them. You do not know the directives He will give her/ them. I don’t feel you are truly “there” yet.
why do people waste their time going to that place. Its really dumb to think somebody can teach you how to have spiritual gifts or be a prophet or whatever. I really do not understand why people get mixed up in this nonsense.
Are these men still in ministry? Just wondering. Thanks for speaking up. I personally believe the foundational theology was and is deeply flawed in these ‘ministries’ Thanks all of you again, for coming forward.
There is some things I know, I wish I could share that I believe would bring healing to the victims but I KNOW people would NOT believe me, that's unfortunate but that's how it is for the moment, maybe a time will come to share it. I wasn't a victim, and I wasn't at Morningstar. , but I was drawn into all of this. I'm really happy to hear your stories but I am exceedingly sad by the damage done to young people who genuinely wanted to walk closer to the Lord but was instead broken in heart and spirit by this ministry and others like it. I know that God has got this, he is not impotent, it will become clearer soon. My deepest love and concern to all of you. There are some still who care deeply about what has and is still happening. ❤
This kinda stuff makes me kinda close to furious. Could I Go that far were I part of a ministry again. I was a sick boy forty years ago. But I kept cleaning house and looking for the way out of through the witness of His resurrection...
Do any of you remember Todd Bentley ?? When the sexual abuse information ALL came out about Todd. Who was supposed to be a covering for Todd? Mentoring and bringing correction when needed? Rick Joyner. It must have been the Holy Spirit because I immediately removed Rick Joyner from any and all of my social sites. Again, sad because I had read a couple of his books. And, even visited the ministry in person once in 2011.
I remember Maggie, I had a weird thing with her too, I “ confessed my sins too Nathan and she was having a conversation with Nathan about me through email about my confession. Also, I , as a student- was allowed to look at submitting students applications - including the parts were students confessed sexual sins. I read about girls who lost their virginity and had problems with porn. And I m a guy, however I felt something completely wrong about it. So I prayed for the girls and stayed away from them in fear I might let it slip I saw there confession. I felt something was wrong that I knew this information about them
GOD BLESS YOU ALL. GOD IS CLEANING OUT THE CHURCH AND WE WERE BORN FOR A TIME SUCH AS THIS .THEY CANT HIDE ANYMORE.KEEP TALKING GOD HAS OUR BACKS .SILENT NO MORE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
I really believe that God is cleaning house...but not always what we think it might look like. We, individually are the Body of Christ and God wants us to look inward at our own walk with Him. It is always easier to put others under the microscope and look at our own heart condition, through a telescope. We are very hard on others.
. damn that sounds like it'll take a while to get over. What kind of judgement do these people have coming. The daughters of Mystery Babylon drunken with the blood of saints.
If some man gave my daughter a private counseling and gave them a word on lust, they woukd get the word of knucklesandwich. Men like this lead because they dont fear reprisal.
Predators nver work alone - so it is important to observe predatorial patterns. It is interesting to observe that the grooming of Bickle and the grooming of this youth leader at MM then took their victims overseas where they would be more isolated and powerless. When predatorial networks form, they drop tips - and some even talk about their dirty fetishes if they feel safe enough with other offenders.
Thanks again for watching, please stand with Leah and all who were harmed 🙏
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I’m supporting Leah! ❤
I am sorry for the abuse you and others experienced there. Thank you for bringing light to it. They need to be exposed and stopped
I’m so very sorry for Leah having to go through this as a young girl. She’s amazing for telling her story! These predators need to be called out and exposed. I can’t help but think of all parents sending their children to these places thinking they will be safe. 😢
The ministry needs to be closed down! Rick Joyner needs to retire and repent and never ever be in ministry again! I am so glad that it is all being exposed!
My prayers are for all the victims/survivors to be healed and helped. Thanks for letting them speak their truth.
I am so sorry that you experienced this abuse. Thank you for bravely coming forward to share the truth. So important what you are doing.
Marriage does NOT cure a porn addict (sex addict).
This woman was so wise & bold for her age while this was going on & thank God she did not marry this man.
Thank you for speaking out the truth!
Thank you for exposing these wolves in sheeps clothing.
Thank you for speaking out Leah 💜
John, Erica, and Leah, thank you so much for this video. Thank you for bringing these stories into the full light of day. Leah, thank you for your courage and willingness to put yourself in such a vulnerable position. It’s been a very long journey for many. I have also experienced firsthand, spiritual abuse at the hands of MStar leaders. It didn’t involve SA, but it caused significant pain and trauma. Im personally still working through the ability to fully heal and overcome the fallout of what happened. I’m shocked by the things you’ve disclosed and it’s both abhorrent and reprehensible . Having been there for many years and trusting my preteen and teenage children into the hands of these leaders- knowing the extent of this devastation and that is has happened to a multitude of people- is beyond heartbreaking and grievous. I’m praying for justice and righteousness to prevail. For the healing of hearts and minds, and for relationships to be restored.
I just wrote like an essay in the comment section but I decided it was TMI and erased it. I am so very sorry for everything that you have gone through Leah, but i am so thankful for your boldness in sharing.
This brought up so many sad and difficult memories for myself and for loved ones who experienced different forms of abuse there too.
**Sad and difficult memories, but I think super important in bringing awareness, providing space for others to share and/or heal from all of this, and a reminder/call to leadership to make changes.
Hi dear! I want to say. We’ve been considering starting a Facebook group for all who abused just to share experiences and also fill in some gaps for us and get clarity and potentially some healing. Would you consider being apart of that group if I created one?
Hey! I definitely would! It was only a couple months after turning 17 that I started at MSU, and there are so many things that happened that I am only realizing now that were wrong/not normal - as we have all been discussing it/I am having to face repressed and dissociated memories and stuff that I was so oblivious to at such a young age.
Thank you for covering a hard topic with grace. Good job on this.
Thank you so much
Thank you for being brave and speaking up ❤
Thank you, Leah, for coming forth with this story. This was such a valuable dialogue. I will be passing this along, and no doubt it is going to affect numerous lives of those who have been intimated by so called "leadership', and told to shut up and go away. Such arrogance and self-righteousness from the Rick Joyner Gnostic bandwagon...the issue is false teaching, of the very nature and character of God, and the very foundation of these "teachers" has been false for many years. Be a change agent, Leah, press into the Lord and go into the secret place with all your heart, and He will lead you into all truth. Weak men, who are not led by God's Spirit, become cowards when they blame an attractive woman on their own lack of real relationship with Christ Jesus. John and Erica, you are a great team. Thank you so much! and continue on...Blessings🕊
I just redid a training for child SA prevention and was reminded that predators will engage in boundary violations in front of other people to signal to their victims that the other people are OK with it. So his behavior toward Leah around other people was part of his grooming pattern. Makes me sick!
Ohh I didn’t even know that this was a tactic of abusers but that’s absolutely what it felt like. Like he’s doing this in public? But thankfully my friend saw it happen as well.
I didn’t know you could take a course like that! My children were sad by the teenage children of a very spiritual family in our church. I didnt know until years later.
Look into Darkness to Light. They have lots of resources. 🖤@@kathymyers7279
@@Theleahwolfyes. It’s a way they test what they can get away with AND they groom the community to think that behavior is OK. They do these things to get people to ignore their gut feelings and discernment that something’s wrong. They do these tests to normalize inappropriate behavior. I am so very sorry these things happened to you and anyone else.
@@kathymyers7279I’m so sorry that happened to your family 😞
I found that Stephen Alls is “pastoring" at The Father's House in Myrtle Beach, NC...
I am furious of said abuse that is so rampant in the church today as leadership continues to cover it up while protecting the ship not the sheep!
As for me in my house, we stand with God's heart for the protection of His daughters…. I am so sorry Leah you have had to go through this!
I could not help myself as I reached out via "contact us" to his current pastor gig? (sorry, I don't consider SSA a calling from God) with the following:
"Can you pls let me know what you will be doing as a church to hold Mr Alls accountable for his former actions of sexual abuse while in leadership at Morningstar?
Also, what are you doing as a pastoral team to make sure these actions are not being done there even now at the Father's House given his history?"
May the Lord continue to discipline us by grace leading us all into repentance and right standing not of our own righteousness but of Christ!
Do you have a link for that ministry? I couldn’t find anything
This became rampant when Apostles and Prophets 'suddenly' came on to the scene in the 80s and 90s and proper church structures were uprooted for the 'New Wine Skin Church' model. These Apostles and Prophets are accountable to no one. Even C. Peter Wagner concluded this.
Beautiful sisters I am so heartbroken that you went through this. I am horrified!
This is very sad to hear, especially in light of the other recent revelations at M*. I had no idea this kind of thing was going on while we were there and honestly thought M* was the last place it would have happened until recently. I pray for all our classmates, and all who were harmed, that they find healing in Christ.
Thank you to all who speak truth to power! I’m reminded that the enemy gets taken out by his own weapons. Each person trained or raised within this system has unique ability and knowledge to tear it down - which appears to be God’s desire and design. Well done to each of you!!
The way this was handled is exactly like group sexual abuse methods- silence the victims, tell them you can't talk about this, and then turn it back on them to make them look like they are the guilty one! It's so disgusting!
This is HORRIFIC. Our Lord is truly separating the chaff from the wheat. Judgement has come!
Im an Author, Poet, Writer and Investigative Researcher, in Melbourne, Australia. I’ve had traumatic Spiritually emotional and verbal abuse.
In my ongoing research, I’ve witnessed a domino effect during the past 2 years of Ministers, Pastors, etc falling, oh, and how the fall has been great! Also, rightfully required, to say the least.
This just breaks my heart to bits. I can’t imagine how the Lord is deeply grieved, not to mention, the victims, too. Currently, I simply can’t walk into a church. I do believe that will change, however, for 2 years I find it deeply hard to walk into a church. I expose and raise awareness, too. It’s just so cruel.
Yours in prayer, Salwa.
Thank you for coming forward.
The projection of the lust these men had upon you girls is stunning.
They were guilty but blamed the girls for being temptresses.
And to do it prophetically using the Lord’s name in vain is unconscionable. 😡
I think you named it! Projection! That’s exactly what these men were doing to these young girls when they verbally labeled them. It’s so horrific to hear of all the lives they derailed with their own selfish nature.
Praying for the young ladies and wiping their foreheads was a huge manipulation tactic! Wow!!!! That was intentionally done to cover up the abuse of these young ladies. Hoy crap! MorningStar must be investigated!!!!! I signed the petition.
Father God is giving courage for these girls to speak up! MorningStar has been exposed! Thank you Leah for coming forward!❤️🙏🏼🇨🇦
EXCELLENT!!! I am so happy you guys are speaking up!!
They are jealous if women or men are better than them in any way, in this case Leah is beautiful and that´s the "problem" for those braiwashed jerks and bullies. If they can´t use you/abuse you, you are the problem. I hope and pray for exposure , this is a cult. Been there
Truth 👍
This is so hard to watch... the details are gut wrenching.
I am sorry that you Leah went through all of that. I cannot even begin to imagine how that has hurt you (and those who suffered the same).
You deserved better! Really did!!!
You are right Leah this should never have happened to you and the others!
So sick. I feel so sorry this happened to all these women.
This is so crazy 🤯. I'm so sorry, thank you for sharing your stories.
Thank you for bringing this all to the surface. God is cleaning house 👍
So basically, a “scarlet letter” was put on Leah for a man’s sin. SMH
Yeah it wasn’t easy but I wondered why it happened… now I know, it would fuel me for standing up for these kids who were abused!
@@Theleahwolfyou are stand up and exposing, thank you!
Finally! The ship is going down ..I left a morning star bethel hybrid over 15 yrs ago and I thank the Lord for getting me out and freeing me from the religious, jezebel,martyr coo koo for Cocoa puff spirit 🙃
This was a hard but good listen.
Why does Rick Joyner always side with the abuser? Smh😢
Rick and all other leaders in the church
Wolf. You’ll know them by their fruits. There are so few true bold shepherds leading today that Rick seems kinda “normal” when he’s just another ravenous wolf. The Lord Jesus will judge him. And the earthly church should too.
Because abusers will side with abusers, it’s as simple as that.
Mysogyny
Abusers side with abusers. Rick sides with the abuser because he’s an abuser.
It seems to me that the leadership did not apologize to the girls who were abused, in case they filed lawsuits. The apology would likely be taken as an admission of guilt in a court of law. Guilt and shame was put on the girls to make them feel like they were at fault and intimidate them into not testifying against the abusers, as they would likely be painted in court as a seductress.
I’ve spoken to so many of the girls recently and many still feel guilt because they were absolutely brainwashed
I went to Mstar 05-07 in the school and worked there from 07-08. I hated working there, I experienced abusive and toxic management. It was the worst and best experience. The best because after I left I decided to really study the Bible and continue so and realized how ridiculous MSTar is. I still believe in the gifts but don’t believe mstar practiced these gifts in a way that was both biblical and ethical. These guys are so full of them selves and delusional. I can testify that leaders had special ones and usually it was an attractive female. As a guy, and single at that time, I remember the projection- like we the leaders got protect the ladies from the young lustful bucks, guess though they are the old beastly men instead.
I went to the MorningStar school of ministry probably a year before y’all did and was one of the student team worship leaders and I had no idea this was going on with either of the Steve’s. Anyway. This has been the most helpful of all of the podcasts I’ve seen with this topic in all the ministries going on these days. The three of you are clearly not doing this out of vindication or offense which is very encouraging. Not that there isn’t any room for offense when terrible things happen but I can tell in your posture it isn’t your desire to spread vitriol but rather freedom from this terrible place the church now find itself in.
I agree. I was 2018 and 2019 student. It is hard for me to follow or listen to those who dish out recycled info on UA-cam....especially Wake Up and Win. The 3 on this video do an excellent job and you can tell they don't have any vindictive motives.
This is absolutely crazy. The amount of this stuff coming out about churches and church leaders I don't think I have ever seen in my time in the faith. This is why I no longer want to be apart of church circles because church seems to be a painful space instead of being a space safety and healing. So sorry this has happened to you guys and I hope you guys can find healing and peace.
Tucker Carlson said it best, and with great insight for a new believer. He was pondering why he didn’t want to go to church because so many leaders were so flawed. He gave this plain and simple answer, not to justify evil deeds, by any means, simply to clarify the body of Christs’ place in all of this. Tucker said, and I quote; “As soon as they commit their lives to Gods’ call, they come under spiritual attack”! The attack is relative to the call. Yes, they can resist, but we ALL KNOW the challenge of enticing temptation from our greatest enemy. This should encourage us to pray for our leaders more than ever.
@@ruthtirado2750 God's
Thanks for this.
OMG! I old male leader tells a young woman- she has the spirit of lust! That is the most ridiculous thing I have heard. This is absurd. They are completely idiots.
Thanks for sharing ♥️
Thank you for this wonderful interview. This is evil. The founder often enabled the predators. He owes you an apology, Leah. I feel sorry for you. This kind of spiritual manipulation and behavior is like a wolf put on sheepskin. This is injustice. If the source is not right, it doesn't matter the content of the books or sermons.
UNBELIEVABLE!! 😮
I Love That Statement;
Leaders Are Never Silent
God bless you!! Silence is violence, break it!!
Absolutely!!!!! I agree completely
Thanks for sharing . Such a mess this world is in. Thank God he sent his son into it, Don't ever give up the good fight of the true faith. Healing and forgiveness found in one and may he lead you always forward into all his pathways of life !
So sorry for the abuse going on there😢
This is unbelievably SICKENING🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬 these poor girls
Thanks team!!
I have no trust in Rick Joyner or MorningStar! He needs to repent! God knows! God is love but also the Judge!
It's right to speak up and needed. 'Do not fear, for I am with you; do not be afraid, for I am your God. I will strengthen you; I will surely help you; I will uphold you with My right hand of righteousness' Isaiah 41;10
I had a friend who was verbally abused by Steve Thompson.
Steve was a cocky jackass who put down husbands in front of their wives (me and my wife, for one) while schmoozing the females…. Hope he has changed…
@@douglassmith7701 last i saw on social media, he was flying fishing in colorado. Don't think he has much of any influence in the church anymore.
I'm so sorry.
Back when Todd Bentley was “restored” at Morningstar about this same time in 2009 and 2010 me and others made a huge fuss about it online. I emailed Joyner with a lot of boldness. It’s a shame people don’t speak up more. That’s what enables this stuff to keep happening.
We and so many others tried as well! We weren’t heard because it’s very hard because as soon as we started speaking up, we just got so attacked! We are even now
I applaud how calm and collected you were in this interview. I went through a very similar situation and it was so enraging to hear this happened to you. I had a husband wife pastor team do the EXACT SAME thing with the clothing comment. I was wearing jeans and a turtleneck lol. I was also told i was a jezebel simply because I said Hello to a male congregant when i saw him at a restaurant. I was also called into a "meeting" to be told i needed to repent and no one at the church liked me. I felt psychologically assaulted. It was truly one of worst experiences of my life.
Ahhh I’m so sorry this happened to you! That’s so so wrong!!! I hope you know that you were very much not the problem
Also I didn’t feel calm at all. I was so stressed talking about these things! It’s so heavy and it’s like digging pain out of your body. It’s been healing but thank you so much for saying I was calm 😂
@Theleahwolf Did you experience any ptsd afterward? I was at a very small house church when I experienced this. Being in this spiritual bubble made me deeply question myself especially with such an "annointed" teacher. I felt must they be right. It took a long time to regain confidence in my own critical thinking.
I’m so sorry both of you were treated this way.
God bless you all. I am praying for God to reveal to me His heart for victims, bc I feel it is not a priority in the church and is always covered up. Usually women are blamed and men are defended and its so wrong and leads souls to hell bc its so evil.
Praying 🙏🏽
The reason why I clicked on this video is because I saw the thumbnail and said "Wow that is a way gorgeous girl."
The reason how I know that that's true is because I had that same thought about 20 times when watching this video.
Well that's a bummer. She clearly wanted to have nothing to do with the guy but yet she was being accused of being
the girl that got the guy got fired. It sounds like yet another example of the crummy stuff that goes on in this satan
dominated world that we are living in. I am sorry that these things happened to this dear lady.
You helped me so much.
🙏🏼 I’m so glad!!!!!
So beautiful, encouraging, and heart-moving
I’m beginning to believe people are done with charismatic kool-aid.
A good bible verse for the younger ones is 1 Timothy 4:12-13.
“Let no one despise your youth, but be an example to the believers in word,
in conduct, in love, in spirit, in faith, in purity.”
Yes it’s because people are becoming more self aware and if they have a relationship with the lord then the lord is saying things outside of what leaders are saying because so many leaders are so corrupt. And just so so much abuse in the church is well known
There was a very aberrant teaching back in the 70s and early 80s Charismatic movement called the "shepherding' or 'discipleship' movement. In this movement there was heavy emphasis on being obedient to local 'shepherds' who told you whom to date, where to work, etc. Eventually it died out; or so I thought. It seems there was a resurgence of this kind of thinking there are MS.
I'm so sorry for what happened to you from those whom you should have been able to trust and who should have been the ones to protect you from ravenous wolves such as they were exposed to be. My heart breaks that instead y-o-u were the one who was wrongly accused and had "spiritual" principles used against you by lying about you. My heart breaks for the betrayals you endured from your peers as well. I pray you have been able to know how wrong this was and how much our Lord Jesus will never leave you or forsake you and He knows the truth. He knows about betrayals and being wrongly accused, so in this way you are sharing in the persecution of our Lord Jesus. I pray His blessings upon you and that you will hit the mark God has for your life. Thank you for courageously speaking your truth. I pray it helps many who may be experiencing the same.
I’m glad you have friends to process with. I felt DARVO by both male and females in the church. Didn’t have any friendship in my time at IHOP.
Why am I JUST NOW HEARING ABOUT THIS????? This is breaking my heart in pieces. Erica you and my daughter should have come to me! I would have moved Heaven and Earth for you two. I am so sorry you girls went through this, my heart is breaking and this explains so much now. I wish I would have known, maybe I could have done something, maybe not, but I sure would have tried. I just remember being so excited that you 3 girls were going to have this “wonderful” experience. This is so painful to hear about for me, but I cannot imagine what it has been like for you girls. I love all 3 of you very much and continue to pray for you. This is not who God is and what He is about.
Unfortunately, this has been going on for a long long time. It happened to me to a certain degree in a Vineyard church over 30 years ago. I'm in my mid-60s, I was in my early 30s then. A married pastor and I got involved. I'm not saying I was innocent, but there was definitely some SA going on. He should never have been alone with me at any point. And he was. This is a huge rule that should not be broken for any reason in any church, and would prevent a lot of SA.
Joyner is a elitist that believes he (and his carefully crafted cabal) is to advanced and superior to be judged by anyone outside of his circle.
He creates a atmosphere of "the anointed ones" that others could only dream of being a part of and if they totally bow to the anointed their dream comes true.
The atmosphere that creates vulnerable people not realizing what their walking into has been crafted by the false teaching of the New Apostolic hatching the prophetic "prophetic movement".
This is so sad. What the Lord must think about all this horrific mess? How could God be speaking anything to the leaders of this ministry other than about their personal repentence? No "ministry" is more important than the people.
I have seen that it is spiritual there is a predator spirit that recognizes victims. It isn’t the victims fault but it have seem time and time again that when someone is abused abusive spirits recognize it and seek them out. It is demonic. Baal and abuse
Leah, Good for u - Not allowing yourself to be manipulated into marrying the young man that should NOT have been pastoring youth that he was lusting after & addicted to porn, & what wasn’t he possibly telling u & the staff? And just to let u know how bad things could have went for u - have u heard about the John Paul Miller & Mica Miller Story?
No I haven’t! I’ll look into it! Thank you for your kind words! I think it’s time we uncover the really awful side of the church that has been hurting so many innocents
Several of Steve Thompson’s adult children have signed the petition against Morningstar. I wonder if they realize that he was also a MS predator???
I think the point in the interview is that Rick Joyner said Thompson was fired for similar reasons, but there has been NO allegations from potential victims of any such behavior from Steve Thompson. Important distinction!
@@EmilyElston-l7f I have always thought of Steve Thompson as a man of integrity. I hope he’ll respond to this and either confess or clear his name.
@@EmilyElston-l7f Hi Emily. You're doing great work. I saw your site and was going to email you. Are you familiar with Mishel M's book on Joyner?
"The View Beneath" is the true story of one woman’s journey into religious deception through the teachings of Rick Joyner, a spiritually dangerous leader that many consider a true prophet. After moving to North Carolina to attend his ministry school, she began her descent into a dark, deceptive movement that took her away from Biblical Christianity and immersed her in another gospel.
"Part testimony, part expose, The View Beneath is an inside look at the growing invasion of dangerous false doctrine. Mishel investigates deep beneath the surface of MorningStar Ministries and the Dominionist Movement at large.
"She candidly shares her journey as she discovers that beneath the double speak, the Christian-sounding terms, beneath the claims of trips to heaven and divine revelation, beneath the prophecy and claims of a Kingdom ruled by men, what is really being taught is the occult."
It's on Amazon. Curious to know how accurate it is from those who went to MSM and are now speaking out. This could be a good YT episode if a few of you can read it and want to discuss it.
Greetings from Melbourne Australia 🇦🇺
Thanks for sharing this.
Are these abusers still in ministry?
Stephen Alls? Or Steven Thompson? (I'm not sure how to spell these)
Do they still have links with Morningstar?
If they are still in ministry shouldn't the church they are involved with know about this?
Blessings for speaking out and revealing the truth.
Blessings
Andrew
From what we know they are all still in ministry and the pastors over the churches have been notified and heard nothing.
@@TheleahwolfI feel like the new churches these men are employed with now are committing a crime if they have been informed of the SA these men have inflicted on others. They need to be charged and prosecuted!
It's awful
One time while I was at Morningstar Rick Joyner yelled this from the pulpit with his forearm and fist raised high “If you keep thinking thoughts like that every thought will go that direction, Help Meeeeee Don’t be Afraid!!!”
I am shocked that a minister advised a young woman to marry a man with a serious addiction to lust and pedophilia, putting the burden on her for his salvation and deliverance, which only Jesus could bear, as well as risking her health and sanity, and the safety of her children, if she married that man. It's right up there with what a friend told me about a man she married on her pastor's advice. He wasn't a Christian, though he attended church, and the pastor knew it. He said she should marry him because she was probably the only one who could bring him to Jesus. When she went back later to tell the pastor that her husband was beating her, he said she should stay with him, even if he kills her. Never before now have I heard of a case equivalent to this of a pastor giving someone advice that is absolutely evil.
Oh that is so so sad! How devastating for the lady experiencing that abuse
Hi Leah, and my brother and sister in Jesus Christ. The church world wide is mostly in this leadership sin. What happens is that they have not denied their lives, nor picked up their cross, nor followed after Jesus. As soon as there is a church leadership that is crossless, the fear of the Lord, His Holiness and love diminishes and is not fully understood as a direct revelation from the Lord through His Holy Spirit. In such crossless leadership you will always find the fleshly nature active, so active that it's power is overwhelming to the point that it will always lead to taking advantage and grooming those around them that their eye beholds and admires.
There is not jezebel spirit upon the victims in most instances, the jezebel spirit is upon them in it's entirety. Ruling them as leaders of the church and not the Holy Spirit of the Lord. That Holy Spirit they have abandoned and Jesus and the Holy Spirit moves outside of the actual church and familiar spirits come in to lead the leadership into profanity and to make their victims feel guilty all the time.
Just don't let them lay their hands on you and pray, for they actually are transferring that jezebal and profane and dirty and naughty spirits upon you. As the Bible says, Let no man lay their hands on you speedily.
Leah and co, many dear brother and sisters in Jesus Christ our Lord please start small groups and pray. It is the end now and the church as we know it is going to be judged and not rise as we see it operating today. Soon the antichrist will rise and churches are going "underground". As the Word says "Look unto yourselves for the devil has come down with great wrath upon the earth." Paraphrasing, but I sure you catch the jist of it.
These churches could of started out okay, but through time and preaching compromise the Lord Himself has handed them over to satan for sifting. Right now the church should be talking about getting reading without spot, blemish or wrinkle as the Bride of Christ. Churches should be warning the saints about the beast system rising and the coming persecution and to armor up spiritually and to pray pray pray. These are the things that should be preached about, but instead the false leaders are corrupting the sheep, even sexually and they think nothing of it.
Well, The Lord sees all and the Lord now comes to judge. So abide in Him who is able to save, deny your life and be filled with His Spirit and not close to familiar spirits. The judgements of God start first in the house of the Lord, the church, and now we see and hear all these churches of late that are having light shone on their darkness, because it is time, He judgements upon the church as come.
God bless you and keep you. If you looking for a good christian channel, go the the masters voice - celestial. Warning its not for milk drinkers but for those who can pallet meat. God bless, may the Lord Jesus Christ cover your all.
I can’t really even tell you how much this means to me! Thank you! We are being seriously attacked for speaking out and thank you for reminding me of the truth
1:27 you’re so beautiful and like glowing. Your hair is especially 🤌🏽
45:00ish logic is treated as unspiritual in much of charismaticism. You don't want to think through the absurdities or you'll see stuff for what it is, absurd. They call people who engage in critical thinking, asking questions, or analyzing being closed to The Spirit or quenching The Spirit when the Church actually teaches the opposite, to test the spirits and evaluate what is said, throwing away the bad (1 John 4, 1 Thessalonians 5:19-22)
My family and I left NYC and moved to Fort Mill, SC in 2013 to be a part of MorningStar. At the time I was 46 my daughter was 14 and my son 5. We stayed until mid 2018. We left because things did not seem right. I admired Rick for years before we left MS in 2018. But know I truly believe he is a wolf in sheep's clothing. I believe in the gifts of the Spirit (healing the sick, speaking in tongues, etc) but that doesn't mean that there isn't false ministers that pretend to be ministers. There are plenty of problems that has occurred at MS that shows corruptness from within the false leadership. And regarding the SA - even if any of those who have been SA'd did provoke things (which I do not believe any did) that does not make it right for someone to yield to doing sexual things or sending texts, etc. First these men like Stephen Alls is married. Secondly, even if he was not married it's a sin to fornicate (which is having sex when you are not married), and therefore even if he's not married, he should not be sending sexual texts or touching anyone in any sexual way - it's all called sexual immorality. It's like Chris Reed, who is another false minister, he says that by him only (supposedly) touching Kathryn's private part from the outside of her clothes that therefore it was not a sexual act. What a wicked man to try and tell the world that he did not commit a sexual act. People are not stupid. Just delusional people who for some reason don't see how serious things are. A Christian that is not a leader in the body of Christ is supposed to flee from immorality. How much more a Christian leader is supposed to set the example. And for those who think that someone like Leah should not come forward and expose this - you people are crazy. People need to be aware what's going on in churches and what churches and ministers are committing these sinful acts. Even if these ministers truly repent, they should most likely never be a leader in the body of Christ or it should take a few years to prove themselves and even then (let's say after 5 years of not being a ministry leader) then they need to start at the bottom and grow into leadership after time. Otherwise, who can truly trust that they have repented or will go back to the same sins. It's a very touchy matter with the restoration part of it. Anyway, keep being bold Leah, and all others that have been violated. I pray you keep drawing closer to the Lord and making sure that your lives are truly surrendered completely to the Lord. Keep praying for those who mistreat you and blessing those who curse you. But that doesn't mean that you don't use your voice. May God be glorified.
@@edwardsoto252 Ask Doug Weise why he has staff take lie detector tests in leadership... Because they are RECOVERING SEXUAL INTEGRITY CHALLENGED ADDICTS?!?
“make sure your lives are truly surrendered to the Lord”? And it’s not their job to pray for them. You do not know the directives He will give her/ them. I don’t feel you are truly “there” yet.
[Click] signed!
FYI Brad mcledon is teaching pastor in Myrtle beach - the fathers house- with Stephen alls
why do people waste their time going to that place. Its really dumb to think somebody can teach you how to have spiritual gifts or be a prophet or whatever. I really do not understand why people get mixed up in this nonsense.
Are these men still in ministry? Just wondering. Thanks for speaking up. I personally believe the foundational theology was and is deeply flawed in these ‘ministries’ Thanks all of you again, for coming forward.
I’ve heard they are and we’ve seen today that indeed all that I mentioned are
What this monsters is doing is PROJECTION !! What they accuse you for is what they are.
There is some things I know, I wish I could share that I believe would bring healing to the victims but I KNOW people would NOT believe me, that's unfortunate but that's how it is for the moment, maybe a time will come to share it.
I wasn't a victim, and I wasn't at Morningstar. , but I was drawn into all of this.
I'm really happy to hear your stories but I am exceedingly sad by the damage done to young people who genuinely wanted to walk closer to the Lord but was instead broken in heart and spirit by this ministry and others like it.
I know that God has got this, he is not impotent, it will become clearer soon.
My deepest love and concern to all of you. There are some still who care deeply about what has and is still happening.
❤
I will believe you! And that’s all that matters right now is being heard and being supported!
This kinda stuff makes me kinda close to furious. Could I Go that far were I part of a ministry again. I was a sick boy forty years ago. But I kept cleaning house and looking for the way out of through the witness of His resurrection...
Do any of you remember Todd Bentley ?? When the sexual abuse information ALL came out about Todd. Who was supposed to be a covering for Todd? Mentoring and bringing correction when needed? Rick Joyner. It must have been the Holy Spirit because I immediately removed Rick Joyner from any and all of my social sites. Again, sad because I had read a couple of his books. And, even visited the ministry in person once in 2011.
Yes he came in while we were there and we saw so many red flags and as soon as we brought concerns to leadership they instantly shut us down
I remember Maggie, I had a weird thing with her too, I “ confessed my sins too Nathan and she was having a conversation with Nathan about me through email about my confession. Also, I , as a student- was allowed to look at submitting students applications - including the parts were students confessed sexual sins. I read about girls who lost their virginity and had problems with porn. And I m a guy, however I felt something completely wrong about it. So I prayed for the girls and stayed away from them in fear I might let it slip I saw there confession. I felt something was wrong that I knew this information about them
Please reach out to John and Erica (contact info above) about your experience!
GOD BLESS YOU ALL. GOD IS CLEANING OUT THE CHURCH AND WE WERE BORN FOR A TIME SUCH AS THIS .THEY CANT HIDE ANYMORE.KEEP TALKING GOD HAS OUR BACKS .SILENT NO MORE 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
FYI Stephen alls is a teaching pastor at the fathers house in Myrtle beach.
All these are doctrine-driven dilemmas. Are podcasters interested in exposing the wrong doctrines? Not yet? When?
Dawn Hill has been doing videos about Rick Joyner and a few other channels.
I really believe that God is cleaning house...but not always what we think it might look like. We, individually are the Body of Christ and God wants us to look inward at our own walk with Him. It is always easier to put others under the microscope and look at our own heart condition, through a telescope. We are very hard on others.
People need to pay attention to Rick Joyner being a Knight !! Very demonic 😔 praying for discernment for the body. Were too gullible 🙏🙏🙏
. damn that sounds like it'll take a while to get over. What kind of judgement do these people have coming. The daughters of Mystery Babylon drunken with the blood of saints.
If some man gave my daughter a private counseling and gave them a word on lust, they woukd get the word of knucklesandwich. Men like this lead because they dont fear reprisal.
Predators nver work alone - so it is important to observe predatorial patterns. It is interesting to observe that the grooming of Bickle and the grooming of this youth leader at MM then took their victims overseas where they would be more isolated and powerless. When predatorial networks form, they drop tips - and some even talk about their dirty fetishes if they feel safe enough with other offenders.
Oh my goodness!! 😢
Geesh...this is grimacing.