I don't think the fact that the "Song of the Return" books were ritten just after the Companions win over the Elves make it any worse: as a winner in a war, you want indeed to make you look good, but do you think that peoples in Atmora would be like :"yeah, it's cool that you put a slap on the wrist to thoose who massacred our kind"? No! they would be like :"What, you burnt the men alive and flayed their wives in front of each others? Seriously, that's all you found?!? YOU AT LEAST RAPED THE CHILDRENS, RIGHT?!?" like atmoran would rather ear the snow elves got what they deserve plus a *little* extra piss on the wounds, i think, and the author of the books would have wanted to satisfy his readers. Sorry for the spelling/grammatical mistakes, English isn't my primary language.
TheEpicNate315 Enjoyed your video as always but about the pale lady part I don’t dive into the lore some much but if you travel around in those falmer infested dungeons there’s female falmer mages that never did transcend into the wisp mother. What if those wisp mothers weren’t elves but some guardians that protected the falmer still to this day the elder scrolls and I think the book mentioned that the companions trapped the pale lady instead of slain during her. I don’t know if you want to you could explore it and maybe save it for another video. Anyway keep making those videos later
@@solitudeguard5318 Hey you, another settlement needs our help, the game was rigged from the start so I started blasting and I had the high ground so it was over then I never asked for this. I had no idea what I said, I think I had too much Skooma
As a child the falmer terrified me so i never got the main quest line by getting Elder Scroll: Dragon, so i dicked around for the rest if my child hood until boredom
The first time i saw the falmer i was playing at 2 am i was tired and i had never seen them as a loading screen. It was in the cave where we find the lost dad of the mouthy kid in inn in the reach. Man that was unsettling as hell.
well at least you got to appreciate the falmer my first time seeing a falmer i had sniped it from a distance it f*cking annoying cause it took the mysteriousness out of them
“The more I research this guy the more I realize he’s no hero, he’s a bad guy who won.” Nate, that right there is a perfect example of “history is written by the winners” phrase.
Except that the Snow Elves started this all, by attacking Saarthal, the first settlement. They didn't like the idea of having more humans (which they previously kindly greeted in Skyrim) and just killed almost everybody there. Ysgramor avenged his fellow Nords.
@@keltdood They came to settle there. I think their homeland was too cold or something like that. They had a peaceful relationship with the Snow Elves at the start. Until the Nord grew too big and discovered the Eye of Magnus in Saarthal.
@@keltdood I think there is part of the story we don't know and there were more fights as the history books would describe. It's like American history: there were peaceful settlers, trading with the Natives, but just as many if not more violent ones who saw themselves as conquerors. We never get the snow elves' perspective and that is always a bad sign
The Snow prince story really resonated within me when I read the book; such a great warrior that even the nords respected him deeply It quickly reminded me of Lord of the Rings elven race and how gracious in combat they are ... I miss the days of Skyrim.. Bathesda really did well then.. Here is to hope they do it again in TES 6.
First time seeing Falmer Player: Ahh what the hell is that? Seeing a Falmer now Player: Man, get outta hear with your mutant looking, gargling sounding bull crap
@@23Raind it's like the prophecy from LOTR, the witch king was told no man could kill him but he fought a woman and died, that's what I'm joking about.
You didn't mention that Yisgremor(sp?) tried to settle in Skyrim before the war with the snow elves up by Winterhold, location is visited in the college quest line, when he left to bring more settlers he returned to find all the settlers, including his own son, left behind slaughtered by the snow elves. Night of tears
I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be what started that war. After that yisgramor went back to atmora and brought down an army to slaughter all the snow elves in retaliation
@@becmoss yes I know, i was just telling you that to see if you knew. Some people respond like that and other people look at me like I just told them Santa isn't real
Wait what you sayin bout Santa? 😂 For simplicity’s sake, the normal Snow Elves are generally called Snow Elves, and the monstrosified version are known as Falmer. The Snow Elves that are left that we see during Dawnguard don’t like to be called Falmer for that reason, as opposed to High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves generally preferring to be called Altmer, Dunmer and Bosmer.
I’d also like to present a theory of Wispmothers. They definitely seem to be Elven in nature, but they seem to actually be Ghosts of Falmer women who suffered tragic and violent deaths as they all seem to be violently angry and they actually have faces that closely resemble Falmer. As little as we know about the Falmer, we do know they had an affinity for Frost Magic we also know a lot of their women were priestesses, mages, and warriors just as is with every race so it could further support the idea that Wispmothers are simply the angry spirits of Falmer Women who suffered tragic and violent deaths.
"simply a bad guy...that won" That applies to literally every conquering king/emperor/leader, ever. Like they say, victory is written by the victors. And as you didn't say here but have said on other videos, he did all this only after the snow elves attacked the Atmorans first, wiping out that city whose name I never remember (according to history...written by Atmorans....)
I was going to say the same thing, ysgramor didn't become a bad guy to the elves until they sacked saarthal. Who wouldn't to be honest? Your trying to save your people while your homeland is being torn apart by infighting, and then froze over by an unstoppable force of nature. You find a place for your people to rebuild, then just as things are looking good boom murder in the night, you and your children are the only ones to flee, and watch the destruction. Keep in mind that in the elderscrolls universe, any elven race that had grown great and powerful (high elves, dark elves, dwemmer) typically were/are shitty people, not saying that they deserve genocide but you dont make friends by being awful people. All in all it's just a big tragedy that could of been avoided had one or the other had been willing to talk things out early on.
Well to be fair, the Atmorans just showed up in the middle of a land that had already been inhabited for who knows how long, and decided, yup this part is ours now losers Big city is going right here. So the Elves were probably already concerned since these guys just showed up and started claiming their ( Snow Elves) land. Next thing they know the people who basically just annexed part of their country found an ancient, mystical artifact of limitless power. Its reasonably understandable that the Snow Elves were worried the Atmorans wouldn't be content with just claiming land for one city. ( And judging by Ysmagor's actions following the return and how convenient it is that he just "happened to build a city above a site of great power" the Snow Elves fears were justified. ) On top of all that even once they had conquered the entire land of Skyrim, the Atmorans completely depopulated the Snow Elves, not even keeping them as slaves like the Aylieds did to ancient Neads. It seems rather likely, at least based on circumstantial evidence that the Atmorans had intended to commit genocide and claim the territory for themselves from the get-go.
@@sigilhunter3199 I dont think the atmorans were planning on genocide from the get go. I dont think anyone side is the victim or the bad guy, both are guilty and justified really. Again most of this could've been avoided if the factions talked a bit more.
Hey nate, not particulaly a tiny detail but did you know that there is a hidden shield in the forgotten vale known as auriels shield. You get it by using the paragon that you get from killing the frost giant in the inner sanctum and killing a falmer gloomlurker once using the paragon on the paragon portal and looting that falmer
Regarding Ysgramor; his was a campaign of revenge, for the massacre of the original Nordic settlers of Skyrim. It doesn't excuse atrocities, of course, though it does make the brutality a little more understandable.
Exactly. And the Elves felt threatened with the Nords expanding while in possession of the Eye of Magnus. But that doesn't excuse sacking a group of settlers, of course. I can empathize with both sides, really.
Ysgramor lied. He was planning to give the Eye of Magnus to the Dragons. The Elves were trying to stop this from happening, less all of Tamriel fall to the Dragons. The Draugr in Saarthal implies their link to the Dragon Cult.
@Mathew C. research. Victors write their history in the best light. Ysgramor was a King, called Saarthal a Massacre, but he and two of his sons survived to spread the tale... conveniently leaving the Eye of Magnus out of the retellings. Guy new what he had, so did the Snow Elves and they knew Ysgramor couldn’t be trusted with it. Took matters into their own hands, couldn’t get the Eye cause Nords fought them off. Hence why the Eye stayed in Saarthal and wasn’t whisked away to a new hiding place or ever used against the returning lied to Angry Horde of Atmoran Dragon Cultists... Maybe just an opinion, but an educated opinion none the less.
Nate: he's not a hero, he's just a bad guy. who won. as in life, the victors of war are rarely benevolent to the side that loss to them. kingdoms revel in the demise of others, and the victors are the ones who write history.
Didn't the whole war start because the snow elves murdered the entire population of a city with no warning, which is what caused Ysgramor to go and gather up his companions in Atmora and come back to kick ass? Seems like the genocidal elves got what they deserved.
I'm so glad you explained to me the mini falmer, I was playing and ran into two, one was miniature and one was normal sized haha. I had to take a screenshot it was so bizarre.
Ive killed the dragon priest Volsung. At level 5 with a steel battleaxe. That was about 5 years ago when I didnt love dragon priest lore. Same with Krosis... I screamed untill I pushed him of the cliff and watched him die.
@@Whlsperer I remember Krosis. My first one. I wore that mask with pride... Took me forever. Ended up using the giant and mammoth. Poor giant didn't make it.
Ysgramor was also very angry. One book that wasn't mentioned is the "Night of Tears" that tells of the destruction of Sarthaal (we've all been there) that was a surprise attack by the Snow Elves.
THE ISOLATION GAMES I still remember running into them for the first time it was actually into Blackreach to get the Elder Scroll, terrible place to first find them. I was terrified and horribly under-leveled. Also there was a Centurion by them at one point, that wasn’t fun.
"He's simply a bad guy, that won." Thats one of the best things about the elder scrolls. There is no bad guy or good guy in war. War is War. The Snow elves Genocided the Atmorans. They came back and did it even harder. Neither Side is good. Neither Side is bad. Its all just War.
firemonster221 in the minds of the Atmorans, they were the good guys. I don’t remember the name of the diety off the top of my head, but conquest is apart of Atmoran/Nordic way of life. I guess it really depends on whose side your on. From a neutral perspective, both sides had good and faults. I’m siding with Ysgramor, just because I like the idea of bringing down a battleaxe to the gleaming heads of elven kind. #killtheelves
Me: realizing that the ice tribes were recycled by Bethesda and became the falmer of skyrim. Me: realizing bethesda recycles all games, they're all sequels! Me: realizing Bethesda is a recycling plant.
Didn't the Snow elves have a treaty with the Nords that was violated when Sarthal was sacked in the infamous "night of tears"? When you think about it; Maybe Ysgramor was slightly justified in his ways. Not that genocide is justifiable!
We know there was a treaty and at some point tension rose to eventual war. However, we don't know which side violated the treaty. The Night of Tears was the result of the violation of the treaty, but wasn't the violation itself.
Do you not realize what the Eye of Magnus was CAPABLE of. IT COULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL OF CREATION! Look at what it almost did at the College of Winterhold, they even said that if the Eye's power was not contained it could destroy Nirn!
Yeah, that history sounds like total bs. 12 years old girl, that holds sword and THROWS i... And pierce his armor... Yeah... This either be deadra or aedra or its total bs...
@@jkgf4671 she was a squire, meaning a trainee. Odds are that she was there to keep handong equipment for her mother and given Atmoran physiology, she may well have had the brute strength to do so
@@mistertaz94 This was their king so he definitely had the best armor they have. So this child throwing some ordinary sword piercing that armor is ridiculous. It would not only require insane amount of strength but also agility. If she would throw dagger - ok, that would work. But a CHILD, THROWING a SWORD that PIERCED HIGH QUILITY armor, that probably was also ENCHANTED since it was armor for their leader that boosted their morale. If that was mere child and not some aedra, deadra i call it bs.
You should have mentioned the wild falmer. In the forgotten vale when you follow the river downwards, you will drop into a cave. There you will encounter them. They are completely naked and attack with their bare blood riddled claws. It seems like not many people know about them, since they are never mentioned.
I'm loving this little beast series so far I hope it'll continue! The story of the snow elves/falmer was always one of the most interesting things about the game to me
I think the mini falmer is for when you activate de ruins defense system and the automatons dwarven centurion smacks those tiny falmer , making the centurion look boss
A random dinosaur on a tricycle Skyrim will always surprise. There’s probably so much we don’t know, what exactly was in the creators mind? What is the truth in things we don’t know!
LMAO I thought it was a child and I felt bad until I remembered Braith, then I was like, "f* this mini mer," and I bashed its head off with a dragon's leg bone. 😂
What most people forget is that the 500 companions were not Nords they were Atmoran's which became the nords after crossbreeding with the nedes over generations with their frost resistance being one of the few surviving traits from the atmoran people
He wasn't a bad guy. The snow elves sacked an Atmoran settlement, Saarthal, unprovoked. Only three humans made it out alive, them being Ysgramor and his sons. Anyone would want to wipe out the Falmer in his position.
@@sion9092 Same. All of the elder scrolls games (with the exceptions of arena and the spinoffs) have tremendous amounts of lore put into them. The world feels so realistic too.
Ysgramor was originally friendly with the snow elves, even learning from them and using what he learned to develop the nord written language. If the elves hadn't committed the Night of Tears at Saarthal, they'd probably still be around. Imagine if they had just talked to Ys about the Eye of Magnus in there instead of turning their back on the truce they had with the nords and killing everyone at Saarthal.
My theory is that some Snow Elven sages dug up the fact that the site of Saarthal was where a dangerous magical energy source had been disposed of in earlier times. The Nord settlers, however, were delving deeply into the ground for the building of their burial crypts and were much too close to this artifact; in fact, they must have found it, for in 'our' time, it is contained in the crypt holding one of the Gauldursons. Since this artifact, in the wrong hands, could 'remake' the world (viz Ancano's dialogue), the Snow Elves were determined to keep the Nords from using it, thus the attack and obliteration of Saarthal. That way the artifact was safe and the Nords would have no clue of the power it contained.
speaking of snow-elves, at the inner sanctum in the forgotten vale, if you hop the railing at the sanctum-end of the bridge, and turn west (being careful not to fall off, it's a long way down), there's an archway, next to a half buried skeleton with an unremovable circlet, three gemstones, and an elven sword.
Thank you for the mini-falmer, no else has seemed to ever talk about them. Also, Wisp mothers are seen throughout Tamriel in ESO, which maybe an oversight, which happens in ESO, or Wispmothers could just be newer to lore, and be an undead female spirit, similar to a wraith, although I kinda agree with Nate on this one. In ESTravels: Dawnstar, the creatures may most likely come from a reikr clan.
If they ever make an oblivion remaster, there should be a line that replaces the famous high elf line. It would be simple and simply ask, “have you heard of the snow elves?”
Everytime you upload I get a big smile and yell "Yay! Nate's got more awesome stuff!", not kidding, my fiance thinks its hilarious lol Thank you for another wonderful video!
A video about the entire history of the dark brotherhood would be nice. You could use facts and theories, mentioned in previous videos and do a timeline, if it is possible. I think this has huge potential. Maybe there are some books, which tell about the founding and the different happenings in the past. You could that with the college of winterhold, the thieves guild, the blades, morag tong, the companions, the nightingales or some orc fractions. Maybe you want to do some videos about the fractions of Oblivion or older Elder Scrolls games. Btw love your videos. Keep up the great work
I think camelworks and fudgemuppet did some if not all of these. If not directly, then in passing. ESO also covers a lot of lore in his play throughs. Not sure who of them are still active, I'm catching up on not having consistent net for the last 2 years.
Nate: Makes a video about Falmer Facts we might not know Also Nate in the Intro: Completely leaves out the night of tears as the reason why Ysgramor and his 500 companions conquered skyrim and drove the snow-elves to extinction.
I'd say Ysgramor's genocide against the Snow Elves was understandable (not necessarily justified) in light of the Snow Elves' unprovoked destruction of Saarthal. It may or may not have been excessive since we have no way of knowing the Snow Elves' motivations or whether they meant to stop after Saarthal or persue their own genocidal campaign against the rest of the Atmoran settlers. It seems clear that Ysgramor thought it likely that the elves were set on the latter course, in which case it would have been a war for the survival of his people.
Hey Nate, on your next "5 things you didn't know about Skyrim" can you add that when you're carrying too much, you can't fast travel, but if you get on a horse, you can fast travel? I thought that would really benefit everyone.
To be fair to the Nords, the companion’s conquest was a retaliatory strike. The first human settlers lived side-by-side with the snow elves.... until the night of tears, when the snow elves betrayed them and murder them in a single night. The survivors brought the story back to Ysgramor
The night of tears is what kicked off Ysgramors campaign against the snow elves. They attacked Saarthal and killed all but Ysgramor and his two sons. They retreated to Atmora and came back with the five hundred companions. Feel like this would have been a pretty important detail when talking about the nords vs the snow elves
I really love how the falmer use chaurus bugs as livestock. Not for food, really, but to make houses and chests and swords and armor and gates and poorly constructed bridges with incredible craftsmanship, despite the fact they are blind.
So I’ve been a fan of your channel for a good bit and have also been a fan of both fallout and the elder scrolls for even longer, and I’ve never been so content fighting dragons and doing quests while listening to the cool facts that you dish out in your videos. I’ve been binging your vids because there are so many and Bethesda just has a way with keeping you busy in its games haha, but seriously keep up the good work my dude.
@Jamie Last They slaughtered the only Nord settlement in Skyrim for seemingly no reason. The genocide of the Falmer is called the Return, because the Nords were only returning the cruelty they were given
The 500 companions weren't the first settlers in Skyrim, and Windhelm wasn't the first city. You're forgetting the Night of Tears, the elves sacked Saarthal unprovoked and Ysgramor returned with the 500 to win the war that the elves had started.
It is also believed the Snow Elves had planned to exterminate all Nords in Skyrim, but Ysgramor turned that around. Of course, that doesn't mean the Nords were innocent of "War Crimes" - not that such a thing existed at that time.
@@metetural9140 I believe the 500 companions is more for Nord boasting. I think it was more likely 500 Ship Captains with a full crew and fighting battalion for each ship.
Damn theepicnate315 still goin strong and makin ballin videos, I gotta say I'm hella happy hes still around, everytime he hits me with one of his signature one liners I feel overwhelmed with nostalgia, it reminds me of the day me and my friend found his stuff and binged it all a couple years ago. anyway thanks for making great stuff all these years.
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TheEpicNate315 Your videos have been getting way more creative. I think my favorite video by you was the giant one.
I don't think the fact that the "Song of the Return" books were ritten just after the Companions win over the Elves make it any worse: as a winner in a war, you want indeed to make you look good, but do you think that peoples in Atmora would be like :"yeah, it's cool that you put a slap on the wrist to thoose who massacred our kind"? No! they would be like :"What, you burnt the men alive and flayed their wives in front of each others? Seriously, that's all you found?!? YOU AT LEAST RAPED THE CHILDRENS, RIGHT?!?" like atmoran would rather ear the snow elves got what they deserve plus a *little* extra piss on the wounds, i think, and the author of the books would have wanted to satisfy his readers. Sorry for the spelling/grammatical mistakes, English isn't my primary language.
TheEpicNate315 Enjoyed your video as always but about the pale lady part I don’t dive into the lore some much but if you travel around in those falmer infested dungeons there’s female falmer mages that never did transcend into the wisp mother. What if those wisp mothers weren’t elves but some guardians that protected the falmer still to this day the elder scrolls and I think the book mentioned that the companions trapped the pale lady instead of slain during her. I don’t know if you want to you could explore it and maybe save it for another video. Anyway keep making those videos later
Your my favorite skyrim UA-camr 😜❤
Can you please make a tutorial on how to mods Skyrim SE on pc, would be greatly appreciated.
I'm a bit disappointed that there weren't any special clothing or armor with the Vale hides.
Same here, that was really disappointing. Would’ve loved to see some unique leather armor or maybe some nice robes
There's a mod for that
@@couchbear6108 what's it called? Is it on xbox?
bethesda.net/en/mods/skyrim/mod-detail/4152162
PS4 version too, I have no tried this mod
now that you mention it, Im also disappointed.
Nate: Shrunken Falmer
Me, an intellectual: Mini Mer
Rex Theti Rannos I heard they were reforming the Minutemen, small elven warriors or something, might consider giving them some septims.
Smallmer
@@solitudeguard5318 Hey you, another settlement needs our help, the game was rigged from the start so I started blasting and I had the high ground so it was over then I never asked for this.
I had no idea what I said, I think I had too much Skooma
Micromer
@@totallynotmozziesaccount8506 Wait, I know you...
I remember the Falmer terrifying me whenever I wonder the Dwemer ruins during my first playthroughs of Skyrim.
The Great and Mighty Goddess Aqua The Falmer don’t terrify me, the creatures they “work” with do. I absolutely hate all of those things.
As a child the falmer terrified me so i never got the main quest line by getting Elder Scroll: Dragon, so i dicked around for the rest if my child hood until boredom
@@TeddyBren Apparently the Charus were supposed to be half the size of Alduin imagine that
@@Khaotic_Karibo Yeah, the idea was for them to be damn right huge, and ya know who was supposed to ride em, the falmer.
@@Khaotic_Karibo or just go to frost flow lighthouse to see the only one that actually is half the size of alduin or probably bigger
"Putting the "infant" in "infantry" aren't you Ysgramor"
Excuse me Nate, i didnt mean to completely splurt water all over my keyboard.
Same here. Unfortunately it was fruit punch in my case. Fortunately, my keyboard can simply be dunked in soap water and then rinsed.
What kind of keyboard do you have it sounds like a dream
The ‘fruit punched’ through your keyboard :3
M’aiq once enterd the forgotten vale. Very majestic place
This is the 3rd time I've seen you and you lies😑
AK-SICKIE 2112 M’aiq does not lie
Go bother someone else M'aiq is tired
M'aiq The Liar I’m a box, get in.
I have been in multiple places at the same time.
Have you heard of the Snow Elves?
I thought not, it's not a story the Dwemer would tell you.
Fun fact, the Plaugeis book is fantastic.
Made my day
Is it possible to learn this Thu"um?
This is all great ☝
I didn’t like it so the likes would stay at 69
"Putting the infant in infantry" heh...good one
When I first encountered a couple of falmers in a cave I misread the name as "farmer" and was deeply confused and unsettled for a few minutes
Alexis Notarianni nothing is scarier than encountering a farmer.
Falmer: *_It's almost harvesting season!_*
@@metetural9140 Good one, that is the funniest thing that I have heard all day!
@@andrewrauch5807 shit I misquoted it
@@metetural9140 That's okay, it's still funny as hell!
Fun fact: At this time Solstheim was still a part of Skyrim, not an island.
Yes
Which time?
@@TySama0 he probably meant the time when falmers weren't falmers
@@eminemre2210, that is specified.
Hi Cicero I still can’t get past ur ice troll
And I just realized Skyrim only has human children, no Elven, Giant, Khajit or others.
are there even giantesses? I did not notice any. But anyway perhaps juvenile giant live unnoticed among humans. Who could tell the difference.
@@MrChristophSteininge Nate did a video on giants quite recently where he goes over the theories on female giants
@Zuko the rabbit Redguards are human.
But Redguard are human?
you assume that reproduction works the same for elves
maybe the wispmothers are what the dwemer WANTED the snow elves to become.
No the Dwemer needed souls for their automatons. Tis why they welcomed the Falmer with open arms
@@metetural9140 I don't know about that.
I don't think that happened.
@@andrewrauch5807 well it's a mix of that. That and well... "test experiments"
@@metetural9140 I guess that makes more sense.
The first time i saw the falmer i was playing at 2 am i was tired and i had never seen them as a loading screen. It was in the cave where we find the lost dad of the mouthy kid in inn in the reach. Man that was unsettling as hell.
Wait which cave was that I don't quite remember.
well at least you got to appreciate the falmer my first time seeing a falmer i had sniped it from a distance it f*cking annoying cause it took the mysteriousness out of them
@@andrewrauch5807 Chillwind Depths
@@barondrakon7947 I didn't care, they were TOO creepy for me.
"...Only Todd Howard may know, and Todd Howard is probably in quarantine like the rest of us."
Fool, you think a mere virus is enough to stop the immortal god Howard😂
Comedy gold
Death Cat I read this comment at the same time nate said it
Hodd Toward
Hes probably snorting skooma off a stripper's ass
“The more I research this guy the more I realize he’s no hero, he’s a bad guy who won.”
Nate, that right there is a perfect example of “history is written by the winners” phrase.
Except that the Snow Elves started this all, by attacking Saarthal, the first settlement. They didn't like the idea of having more humans (which they previously kindly greeted in Skyrim) and just killed almost everybody there. Ysgramor avenged his fellow Nords.
Skyro is that so? If that the case I apologize for the mistake. Love only few elder scrolls games (Oblivion and Skyrim) so don’t quite know the lore.
Skyro I thought the Atmorans came in search of conquest and destruction. Doesn’t sound bad to me. I like Nordic history. Sounds fun
@@keltdood They came to settle there. I think their homeland was too cold or something like that. They had a peaceful relationship with the Snow Elves at the start. Until the Nord grew too big and discovered the Eye of Magnus in Saarthal.
@@keltdood I think there is part of the story we don't know and there were more fights as the history books would describe. It's like American history: there were peaceful settlers, trading with the Natives, but just as many if not more violent ones who saw themselves as conquerors. We never get the snow elves' perspective and that is always a bad sign
The Snow prince story really resonated within me when I read the book; such a great warrior that even the nords respected him deeply
It quickly reminded me of Lord of the Rings elven race and how gracious in combat they are
... I miss the days of Skyrim..
Bathesda really did well then.. Here is to hope they do it again in TES 6.
First time seeing Falmer
Player: Ahh what the hell is that?
Seeing a Falmer now
Player: Man, get outta hear with your mutant looking, gargling sounding bull crap
I know I look like an asshole now but it's here
Shut your blind, garglin', annoying, bug breeding, shitty weapons, shitty armor, asses up.
Falmer:*falmer noises*
New players:AH WHAT THE FUCK!?!
old players:Fuck off will you
I’ve actually never seen falmer just tryna fit in and I literally have steel armour and I know some facts and theories
YourMomsAFurry CALM DOWN
The snow prince: fools no grown human may kill me
12 year old girl: I am not grown
The snow prince: ☠️
Why would he specify grown? Did he have a special vulnerability to children, that he was also aware of?
@@23Raind it's like the prophecy from LOTR, the witch king was told no man could kill him but he fought a woman and died, that's what I'm joking about.
@@El_Cidd fair enough.
@@El_Cidd technically she just finished him. The real damage was caused by a hobbit as in non-human
Snow Prince: NANI???!!!
You didn't mention that Yisgremor(sp?) tried to settle in Skyrim before the war with the snow elves up by Winterhold, location is visited in the college quest line, when he left to bring more settlers he returned to find all the settlers, including his own son, left behind slaughtered by the snow elves. Night of tears
I'm pretty sure this is supposed to be what started that war.
After that yisgramor went back to atmora and brought down an army to slaughter all the snow elves in retaliation
I feel like Nate should try and do a collab with fudgemuppet
Agree
Same mate
Agreed
I feel like he should do a collab with MxR
Agreed
Snow prince: what is your name girl?
Finna: finna, finna mess you up bro
nice
nice
You’ve violated the law of Skyrim and her people, what say you in your defense?
Solitude Guard it’s been a long time since I’ve seen a good fight
Noice
Those whisp mothers indeed always seem to be in and around ice and seemingly random (non-marked) dwarven ruins, even in outside encounters.
"Murdered them all to death" classic Nate!
lmao
Imagine being a snow elf and find out you would one day become a falmer
They are already Falmer. The Falmer you speak of are just blind feral versions of the Falmer
@@metetural9140 I am well aware. It was a joke
@@becmoss yes I know, i was just telling you that to see if you knew. Some people respond like that and other people look at me like I just told them Santa isn't real
Wait what you sayin bout Santa? 😂
For simplicity’s sake, the normal Snow Elves are generally called Snow Elves, and the monstrosified version are known as Falmer. The Snow Elves that are left that we see during Dawnguard don’t like to be called Falmer for that reason, as opposed to High Elves, Dark Elves and Wood Elves generally preferring to be called Altmer, Dunmer and Bosmer.
The snow elf preist in dawngaurd agrees
I’d also like to present a theory of Wispmothers. They definitely seem to be Elven in nature, but they seem to actually be Ghosts of Falmer women who suffered tragic and violent deaths as they all seem to be violently angry and they actually have faces that closely resemble Falmer. As little as we know about the Falmer, we do know they had an affinity for Frost Magic we also know a lot of their women were priestesses, mages, and warriors just as is with every race so it could further support the idea that Wispmothers are simply the angry spirits of Falmer Women who suffered tragic and violent deaths.
Nate: The Falmer we've grown to know and love.
Me: Love?!
Yeah, I'm starting to think he is trolling us. That, or he somehow missed a LOT of details while making this video...
If those are the things that are classed as lovable then we've been using the word wrong this whole time
Nate is a friggen elf...now you\'re finally awake
When I first met falmer I was like: Oh, ofcourse, dwarves were all killed by goblins, like the mines of Moria
I assumed they were what became of the dwarfs
It’s a similar story lol.
@@smass8586 second thought
Smas S858 my thought when I heard about their story
"simply a bad guy...that won" That applies to literally every conquering king/emperor/leader, ever. Like they say, victory is written by the victors.
And as you didn't say here but have said on other videos, he did all this only after the snow elves attacked the Atmorans first, wiping out that city whose name I never remember (according to history...written by Atmorans....)
History is written...
And I don't remember the first city either, but he didn't decide to murder all of them to death until they sacked Saarthal.
Sarthal is that first city,
None the less destroying one city is bad genocide tho is a far bigger deal
I was going to say the same thing, ysgramor didn't become a bad guy to the elves until they sacked saarthal. Who wouldn't to be honest? Your trying to save your people while your homeland is being torn apart by infighting, and then froze over by an unstoppable force of nature. You find a place for your people to rebuild, then just as things are looking good boom murder in the night, you and your children are the only ones to flee, and watch the destruction. Keep in mind that in the elderscrolls universe, any elven race that had grown great and powerful (high elves, dark elves, dwemmer) typically were/are shitty people, not saying that they deserve genocide but you dont make friends by being awful people. All in all it's just a big tragedy that could of been avoided had one or the other had been willing to talk things out early on.
Well to be fair, the Atmorans just showed up in the middle of a land that had already been inhabited for who knows how long, and decided, yup this part is ours now losers Big city is going right here. So the Elves were probably already concerned since these guys just showed up and started claiming their ( Snow Elves) land. Next thing they know the people who basically just annexed part of their country found an ancient, mystical artifact of limitless power. Its reasonably understandable that the Snow Elves were worried the Atmorans wouldn't be content with just claiming land for one city. ( And judging by Ysmagor's actions following the return and how convenient it is that he just "happened to build a city above a site of great power" the Snow Elves fears were justified. ) On top of all that even once they had conquered the entire land of Skyrim, the Atmorans completely depopulated the Snow Elves, not even keeping them as slaves like the Aylieds did to ancient Neads. It seems rather likely, at least based on circumstantial evidence that the Atmorans had intended to commit genocide and claim the territory for themselves from the get-go.
@@sigilhunter3199 I dont think the atmorans were planning on genocide from the get go. I dont think anyone side is the victim or the bad guy, both are guilty and justified really. Again most of this could've been avoided if the factions talked a bit more.
You think that I am going to watch this at 3 AM?
*of course I am*
I was once an all-nighter like you, but then I took a sleep pill to the stomach.
Were you at? its nine pm for me.
@@grayfox6930 Europe. Probably UK or Spain.
Aye
Lmao for me rn its 3 am :p
Hey nate, not particulaly a tiny detail but did you know that there is a hidden shield in the forgotten vale known as auriels shield. You get it by using the paragon that you get from killing the frost giant in the inner sanctum and killing a falmer gloomlurker once using the paragon on the paragon portal and looting that falmer
The Ruby Paragon, I think.
Regarding Ysgramor; his was a campaign of revenge, for the massacre of the original Nordic settlers of Skyrim. It doesn't excuse atrocities, of course, though it does make the brutality a little more understandable.
Exactly. And the Elves felt threatened with the Nords expanding while in possession of the Eye of Magnus. But that doesn't excuse sacking a group of settlers, of course. I can empathize with both sides, really.
Ysgramor lied. He was planning to give the Eye of Magnus to the Dragons. The Elves were trying to stop this from happening, less all of Tamriel fall to the Dragons. The Draugr in Saarthal implies their link to the Dragon Cult.
@@fumarc4501 - is this just a theory, or is it stated as a fact somewhere...?
@Mathew C. research. Victors write their history in the best light. Ysgramor was a King, called Saarthal a Massacre, but he and two of his sons survived to spread the tale... conveniently leaving the Eye of Magnus out of the retellings. Guy new what he had, so did the Snow Elves and they knew Ysgramor couldn’t be trusted with it. Took matters into their own hands, couldn’t get the Eye cause Nords fought them off. Hence why the Eye stayed in Saarthal and wasn’t whisked away to a new hiding place or ever used against the returning lied to Angry Horde of Atmoran Dragon Cultists...
Maybe just an opinion, but an educated opinion none the less.
@@fumarc4501 - you may be onto something. By the way, I wasn't trying to sound like a snarky asshole, but was genuinely curious.
I've never been this early before
Are.. are those... dwemer over there?
I really hope this makes top comment
Um... The uh, dwemer went missing long ago...
@@trurookiegaming6998 That's the joke
Nah that's just Yagram... well yeah, yeah it is
@@metetural9140 thanks, I was trying to remember his name earlier!
It's going to be a bright day in soul cairn when Nate runs out of facts
Coldharbour will boil over when that happens
5 things in Soul Cairn you missed.
Es6 will be out by then
Camelworks made a great video on the soul cairn, if you have the time for his videos.
I’ll believe that when whales fly!
Oh wait-
Last time I was this Early, Nate wasn't even Epic yet.
Last time i was this early Nate did not exist yet
You have violated the laws of Skyrim and her people, what say you in your defense?
@@solitudeguard5318 Wait, I know you.
I don’t like where this is going
I will devour you’re souls
I once had a dream that contained the line:
"You're a Falmer! Like Steve Buscemi!"
What?
@@failedabortion8734 My dreams are weird. :P
@@thegreattotemaster all dreams are in a sense
Nate: he's not a hero, he's just a bad guy. who won.
as in life, the victors of war are rarely benevolent to the side that loss to them. kingdoms revel in the demise of others, and the victors are the ones who write history.
Modern humans fucked the Neanderthals out of history.
Literally and figuratively.
Didn't the whole war start because the snow elves murdered the entire population of a city with no warning, which is what caused Ysgramor to go and gather up his companions in Atmora and come back to kick ass? Seems like the genocidal elves got what they deserved.
@@ixdaeliovadi I think nate, with all his skyrim"wisdom" forgot the cause of the war. maybe hes getting senile
The Roaming Viking exactly
Just look at USA
They use their children in war because they are immortal in skyrim. Makes perfect sense to me.
Nono he's got a point
I'm so glad you explained to me the mini falmer, I was playing and ran into two, one was miniature and one was normal sized haha. I had to take a screenshot it was so bizarre.
Nate, shoutout to you for keeping these videos coming. Always entertaining and always well produced. 👏🏼
1:37 in Europa (I wait always for your videos).It s night but it s nice to look at your work..Good luck
I remember killing a falmer at level 7. It took many tries, and it was my first run and first time ever seeing them.
Ive killed the dragon priest Volsung. At level 5 with a steel battleaxe. That was about 5 years ago when I didnt love dragon priest lore. Same with Krosis... I screamed untill I pushed him of the cliff and watched him die.
@@Whlsperer I remember Krosis. My first one. I wore that mask with pride... Took me forever. Ended up using the giant and mammoth. Poor giant didn't make it.
Ysgramor was also very angry. One book that wasn't mentioned is the "Night of Tears" that tells of the destruction of Sarthaal (we've all been there) that was a surprise attack by the Snow Elves.
At this rate no matter how repetitive these videos get when watched in bulk i find comfort in learning stuff in a game i have like over 200 hrs in
Noob.
😀
To this day, these things scare the crap out of me.
Riflemutt Prime Pretty creepy looking to be fair!
THE ISOLATION GAMES I still remember running into them for the first time it was actually into Blackreach to get the Elder Scroll, terrible place to first find them. I was terrified and horribly under-leveled. Also there was a Centurion by them at one point, that wasn’t fun.
@@cobaltprime9467 Centurion definitely aren't going to make that encounter any more fun my friend.
I always love watching your videos thank you for making my quarantine, also I hope you have a good time quarantined
"He's simply a bad guy, that won."
Thats one of the best things about the elder scrolls. There is no bad guy or good guy in war. War is War. The Snow elves Genocided the Atmorans. They came back and did it even harder. Neither Side is good. Neither Side is bad. Its all just War.
Christopher Rumbold You can never be a good guy if you’re involved with war.
War.... war never changes.
firemonster221 in the minds of the Atmorans, they were the good guys. I don’t remember the name of the diety off the top of my head, but conquest is apart of Atmoran/Nordic way of life. I guess it really depends on whose side your on. From a neutral perspective, both sides had good and faults. I’m siding with Ysgramor, just because I like the idea of bringing down a battleaxe to the gleaming heads of elven kind. #killtheelves
Both sides are bad, warcrimes are a thing
@@EMPERORTUNGSTEN evil wins when the good man does nothing being peaceful is only good to a measure
Me: realizing that the ice tribes were recycled by Bethesda and became the falmer of skyrim.
Me: realizing bethesda recycles all games, they're all sequels!
Me: realizing Bethesda is a recycling plant.
Didn't the Snow elves have a treaty with the Nords that was violated when Sarthal was sacked in the infamous "night of tears"? When you think about it; Maybe Ysgramor was slightly justified in his ways. Not that genocide is justifiable!
Nord justice was served. That's all, right?
Most elves are dicks it is justified
We know there was a treaty and at some point tension rose to eventual war. However, we don't know which side violated the treaty. The Night of Tears was the result of the violation of the treaty, but wasn't the violation itself.
Do you not realize what the Eye of Magnus was CAPABLE of. IT COULD HAVE DESTROYED ALL OF CREATION! Look at what it almost did at the College of Winterhold, they even said that if the Eye's power was not contained it could destroy Nirn!
Agreed they attacked the settlers therefore they deserved to a degree ysgramors vengeance
Nobody:
That angry girl: Im Fina throw my sword lol feeling cute
The snow elf army: *distressed tom face*
Yeah, that history sounds like total bs. 12 years old girl, that holds sword and THROWS i... And pierce his armor... Yeah... This either be deadra or aedra or its total bs...
@@jkgf4671 maybe she was had magic and when her parent died she blew up and used magic to kill the dude
@@jkgf4671 she was a squire, meaning a trainee. Odds are that she was there to keep handong equipment for her mother and given Atmoran physiology, she may well have had the brute strength to do so
@@mistertaz94 This was their king so he definitely had the best armor they have. So this child throwing some ordinary sword piercing that armor is ridiculous. It would not only require insane amount of strength but also agility. If she would throw dagger - ok, that would work. But a CHILD, THROWING a SWORD that PIERCED HIGH QUILITY armor, that probably was also ENCHANTED since it was armor for their leader that boosted their morale. If that was mere child and not some aedra, deadra i call it bs.
@@jkgf4671 Pfft... no regular 12 year old girl, a Nord and that armor was flimsy elven make.
You should have mentioned the wild falmer. In the forgotten vale when you follow the river downwards, you will drop into a cave. There you will encounter them. They are completely naked and attack with their bare blood riddled claws. It seems like not many people know about them, since they are never mentioned.
This my favorite "5 Things..." video. Hands down. Great job Nate!
And now you shall face my infanttree!
'sweeps his hand in a big reveal to a forest of saplings'
I'm loving this little beast series so far I hope it'll continue! The story of the snow elves/falmer was always one of the most interesting things about the game to me
BA da da da da I'm lovin it
I think the mini falmer is for when you activate de ruins defense system and the automatons dwarven centurion smacks those tiny falmer , making the centurion look boss
Only just realised why wuthard is especially deadly to Elfs if the companions told me i didn't listen.
It's been almost 10 years since skyrim was released and somehow it stills surprise me
A random dinosaur on a tricycle Skyrim will always surprise. There’s probably so much we don’t know, what exactly was in the creators mind? What is the truth in things we don’t know!
@@EMPERORTUNGSTEN probably drugs tbh
A random dinosaur on a tricycle Pretty good chance dude.
Thanks for posting all these videos Nate. Its really helped me get through these tough times
9:46 Oh, thank God, I was confused as hell the first time one of those tiny shits came running at me
LMAO I thought it was a child and I felt bad until I remembered Braith, then I was like, "f* this mini mer," and I bashed its head off with a dragon's leg bone. 😂
This is exactly why I subscribed, Nate is so good at talking lore that I just keep falling in love with skyrim every time I watch a video.
What most people forget is that the 500 companions were not Nords they were Atmoran's which became the nords after crossbreeding with the nedes over generations with their frost resistance being one of the few surviving traits from the atmoran people
hell yes ive been wondering more about falmer recently. always on point thanks natee
"He was no hero, he was just a bad guy that won"
Dang. Dang
Edit: not implying he was a villain. Just appreciating the quote 😂
the victor dictates history
He wasn't a bad guy. The snow elves sacked an Atmoran settlement, Saarthal, unprovoked. Only three humans made it out alive, them being Ysgramor and his sons. Anyone would want to wipe out the Falmer in his position.
Sion909 he was by no means a villain
@@philburtthecommunistlizard5975 no matter how many times I play this game, it's the amount of effort put into lore that I adore
@@sion9092 Same. All of the elder scrolls games (with the exceptions of arena and the spinoffs) have tremendous amounts of lore put into them. The world feels so realistic too.
Your Skyrim is stunningly beautiful. I'm very envious. I got a new PC recently must play it on it soon.
And Todd Howard is in quarantine like the rest of us oh, I almost crashed my car listening to that!
Shouldn't you have been inside?
Nate, I really wanna see you do a full play through of Skyrim, you know the game so well. I’m sure many other people would also like to see it!
ESO does good walk-through videos.
Ysgramor was originally friendly with the snow elves, even learning from them and using what he learned to develop the nord written language. If the elves hadn't committed the Night of Tears at Saarthal, they'd probably still be around. Imagine if they had just talked to Ys about the Eye of Magnus in there instead of turning their back on the truce they had with the nords and killing everyone at Saarthal.
This has given me great inspiration for my next playthrough, thank you!
Wow the Snow Elves must have some juice. The Night Of Tears never seems to make it's way into these videos.
My theory is that some Snow Elven sages dug up the fact that the site of Saarthal was where a dangerous magical energy source had been disposed of in earlier times. The Nord settlers, however, were delving deeply into the ground for the building of their burial crypts and were much too close to this artifact; in fact, they must have found it, for in 'our' time, it is contained in the crypt holding one of the Gauldursons. Since this artifact, in the wrong hands, could 'remake' the world (viz Ancano's dialogue), the Snow Elves were determined to keep the Nords from using it, thus the attack and obliteration of Saarthal. That way the artifact was safe and the Nords would have no clue of the power it contained.
is this a WW2 reference?
So Night of Tears is basically Pearl Harbor in The Elder Scrolls?
Wow, you never cease to blow my mind with skyrim stuff. I love it, keep em coming!
17:30 definitely the best one you’ve come up with
Started to play Skyrim again but with mods, so I naturally went back to Nate
Caves beneath Dawnstar? There's the Dark Brotherhood's HQ after Falkreath gets wrecked.
I haven't actually played the game in months but everytime I see one of your lore videos I definitely want to
My cousin's out there fighting Corona virus, and what do I get?
Watching Nate's videos.
speaking of snow-elves, at the inner sanctum in the forgotten vale, if you hop the railing at the sanctum-end of the bridge, and turn west (being careful not to fall off, it's a long way down), there's an archway, next to a half buried skeleton with an unremovable circlet, three gemstones, and an elven sword.
"5 things you didn't know about the soup fork" dew it
Isnt it called a spork?
@@dylan1586 No ysgramor ate soup with a fork
I approve
If this doesn't happen soon I will be very disappointed.
@@oscarpie6751 It might look like a fork to you, but it wouldn't be his soup spoon if it was.
Thank you for the mini-falmer, no else has seemed to ever talk about them. Also, Wisp mothers are seen throughout Tamriel in ESO, which maybe an oversight, which happens in ESO, or Wispmothers could just be newer to lore, and be an undead female spirit, similar to a wraith, although I kinda agree with Nate on this one. In ESTravels: Dawnstar, the creatures may most likely come from a reikr clan.
If they ever make an oblivion remaster, there should be a line that replaces the famous high elf line. It would be simple and simply ask, “have you heard of the snow elves?”
Everytime you upload I get a big smile and yell "Yay! Nate's got more awesome stuff!", not kidding, my fiance thinks its hilarious lol Thank you for another wonderful video!
A video about the entire history of the dark brotherhood would be nice. You could use facts and theories, mentioned in previous videos and do a timeline, if it is possible. I think this has huge potential. Maybe there are some books, which tell about the founding and the different happenings in the past. You could that with the college of winterhold, the thieves guild, the blades, morag tong, the companions, the nightingales or some orc fractions. Maybe you want to do some videos about the fractions of Oblivion or older Elder Scrolls games.
Btw love your videos. Keep up the great work
I think camelworks and fudgemuppet did some if not all of these. If not directly, then in passing. ESO also covers a lot of lore in his play throughs. Not sure who of them are still active, I'm catching up on not having consistent net for the last 2 years.
Nate: Makes a video about Falmer Facts we might not know
Also Nate in the Intro: Completely leaves out the night of tears as the reason why Ysgramor and his 500 companions conquered skyrim and drove the snow-elves to extinction.
Yeah, but that's assuming the Night of Tears was unprovoked... we don't know for sure
We need Nate in ES6. Perhaps as a scholar that studies the creatures and secrets of the land
OH THAT LINE I LOVE IT "he was no hero, he was just a bad guy that won."
First Wispmother that murdered me did so cos I was walking around staring at the wisps, wondering what they were.
Lol the part about Todd being in quarantine got me.
I'd say Ysgramor's genocide against the Snow Elves was understandable (not necessarily justified) in light of the Snow Elves' unprovoked destruction of Saarthal. It may or may not have been excessive since we have no way of knowing the Snow Elves' motivations or whether they meant to stop after Saarthal or persue their own genocidal campaign against the rest of the Atmoran settlers. It seems clear that Ysgramor thought it likely that the elves were set on the latter course, in which case it would have been a war for the survival of his people.
I mean, to be fair when Saarthal fell if you were those people you'd have to treat it that way just on principle.
Hey Nate, on your next "5 things you didn't know about Skyrim" can you add that when you're carrying too much, you can't fast travel, but if you get on a horse, you can fast travel? I thought that would really benefit everyone.
“And Todd Howard.... Is probably in quarantine like the rest of us”
Except me, I’m still out working
Natas White stay strong bro
Same! Stay safe!
To be fair to the Nords, the companion’s conquest was a retaliatory strike. The first human settlers lived side-by-side with the snow elves.... until the night of tears, when the snow elves betrayed them and murder them in a single night. The survivors brought the story back to Ysgramor
Last time I was this early, the snow elves still had their vision.
Your videos are the Corona-Quarantine-Killer no. 1
Absolutely love the videos, can't get enough
The night of tears is what kicked off Ysgramors campaign against the snow elves. They attacked Saarthal and killed all but Ysgramor and his two sons. They retreated to Atmora and came back with the five hundred companions. Feel like this would have been a pretty important detail when talking about the nords vs the snow elves
I really love how the falmer use chaurus bugs as livestock. Not for food, really, but to make houses and chests and swords and armor and gates and poorly constructed bridges with incredible craftsmanship, despite the fact they are blind.
Hey Nate! can you do a series on either Skyblivion or Beyond Skyrim: Cyrodiil? like a playthrough?
Or just oblivion. It's the previous elder scrolls and takes place in cyrodil
@@redlabsgaming5086 Good point...
Nate does business in Skyrim and FO4
@@redlabsgaming5086 but whiterun gaurds can't annoy the hell out of people
@@ralphstechman8567 who mentioned whiterun?
So I’ve been a fan of your channel for a good bit and have also been a fan of both fallout and the elder scrolls for even longer, and I’ve never been so content fighting dragons and doing quests while listening to the cool facts that you dish out in your videos. I’ve been binging your vids because there are so many and Bethesda just has a way with keeping you busy in its games haha, but seriously keep up the good work my dude.
"really putting infant in infantry"
nice line
What you gotta understand is that the Falmer were equally vicious to the Nords, and what’s more, they attacked the Nords first
@Jamie Last They slaughtered the only Nord settlement in Skyrim for seemingly no reason. The genocide of the Falmer is called the Return, because the Nords were only returning the cruelty they were given
The 500 companions weren't the first settlers in Skyrim, and Windhelm wasn't the first city. You're forgetting the Night of Tears, the elves sacked Saarthal unprovoked and Ysgramor returned with the 500 to win the war that the elves had started.
Yuagin I think he meant the first still standing city
It is also believed the Snow Elves had planned to exterminate all Nords in Skyrim, but Ysgramor turned that around. Of course, that doesn't mean the Nords were innocent of "War Crimes" - not that such a thing existed at that time.
500 companions my arse. Ysgramor probably brought 10,000 if he wanted, and did, beat the Falmer. And they definitely didn't stay on the same boat
@@metetural9140 I believe the 500 companions is more for Nord boasting. I think it was more likely 500 Ship Captains with a full crew and fighting battalion for each ship.
@@nikik5567 Saarthal is technically still standing.
Damn theepicnate315 still goin strong and makin ballin videos, I gotta say I'm hella happy hes still around, everytime he hits me with one of his signature one liners I feel overwhelmed with nostalgia, it reminds me of the day me and my friend found his stuff and binged it all a couple years ago.
anyway thanks for making great stuff all these years.