I’ve had my Sierra 3.0 over a year now and it continues to impress. By far the best truck I’ve ever owned. I’ve had a Ram, Tundra, and a Titan in the past.
Just remember the oil pump belt and cam timing chains. Cab off and trans drop to service. The oil pump is 100-125k mile interval because it's a belt the chains I'm not sure but on an interference style engine I would follow manufacturers specs on those chains as skipped timing could throw the valves into the pistons
I just bought a 24 Silverado, I was 100% against the 3.0 diesel at first being a longtime 6.6 Duramax owner I thought there was no way a 3.0 could even come close to doing the job. Boy was I wrong. This truck is amazing and I cannot believe the gas mileage. I still have the 6.6 for the real heavy jobs but for day to day work this is going to be a great truck.
Good overall on the driving impressions. Suggestion for fueling is to use slowest pumping flow detent on the pump to allow for more consistency in filling the fuel tanks. My Alfa Romeo Giulia would consistently trip the auto stop of the fuel pump, indicating it was full even though it was 2-3 gallons short of what it should have required to be full. When I tried the slow method, the tank accepted the correct volumes.
Agree. Fuel foaming makes for very inconsistent auto-shutoff. Diesel foams even more than gas. And if you are only refilling a few gallons vs 20 gallons, your auto-shutoff will be very different due to fuel foaming so, when these reviewers do their first fill up from nearly empty tank and then "after test" fill-up with only a few gallon fill, vastly different foaming. Using the slowest pump speed is a good start especially if you are only filling with a single auto-shutoff. Or, fill TFL style where they fill fast until shutoff (which foams a lot and shuts off way early so no risk if overfilling) and wait 30 seconds. Then slow fill until click off (not fast fill like TFL does). That method does not overfill the tank and the slow fill at the end, after waiting for fast fill foam to go away, will get a consistent shutoff. Even then, only driving 50 miles and only burning a few gallons is a much too small sample size to get realistic mpg calculation. I know these reviews don't have time or money to do 20 gallon trips for each scenario, but that is the way to get more reliable mpg ratings. These tests were done within a day and similar temp and wind, but so often the reviews are done much different outside temps, winds, etc. and so the viewers just have to understand these video comparisons will only give you a ballpark idea of fuel efficiency.
@@MrChadx1 Yep. Must do second click on the auto-off, after waiting 20-30 seconds for the fuel to stop foaming, and then use the slowest fillup speed detent on the lever. That is the only practical fill-up method for consistency, IMO.
I agree quite heavily with your conclusions. I will say something you missed, the Ram you drove has a GT/sport exhaust which makes it louder in that specific trim than any other Ram. And yes it's not all that confident in towing, you need to setup your WDH exactly right or it gets squirrely (I've owned and towed with a 2019 ram for a few years now). For myself, once the GM interior gets updated, the 3.0 GMC will be the clear winner as a daily driver/tow machine (assuming the seats are also updated).
I have a Limited 3.0 diesel Ram. I was surprised at first about the tow experience. It is not a rock solid experience with my air suspension. And ya know what? It took me about 3 hours to get what was going on and I'm fine with it. My sister was seriously concerned. But, she drives a kidney killing F250. It's a difference in the rear suspension for sure. I normally tow a load of about 6,800lbs thru the mountains near Chattanooga and Gatlinburg. I have done it in snow storm and rain storm alike and felt so safe in it. So, I understand that the air suspension is a setup you have to get comfortable with. And I really am cause it just rides so nice trailer or not behind me. As far as my mileage, I get an honest 13 mpg thru the hills both directions. With my 33 gallon tank I get 460 miles to a tank. So I don't drive like a tank, I drive like a Caddy that tows.
I do agree about the towing in the ram , I have this truck as a loaner and just towed 7x16 x7 tall enclosed trailer for three hours in windy conditions. It wasn't a treat , had to drive the speed limits , a little sketchy!
Dang Tim, we're usually amazed when you can coordinate 2 sets of shoe laces simultaneously much less 4 towing vehicles in one video 😜. Still watching...
Thank you for the efforts to put this together. It shows results from real world testing for those who will actually use the truck for it purpose. All of the factors are important; towing, efficiency, ride quality and comfort, styling, etc. Excellent work sir.
What is the best? You nailed it at the end when you mentioned the importance of what people are looking for personally and you videos definitely make a positive difference in those choices. Very informative without "pushing" any one platform. Nicely done!
Great video and worth the watch. I have a 2020 Ram Rebel 5.7 Hemi. Moved from Texas coast to Alaska and pulled a 6,200 lb travel trailer from TX to AK 13.1mpg avg . 4,000 mi trip.
Hi Tim, love your vids - it's great to see this comparison as it really shows real world testing in a relatively controlled environment. One thing of note though - regarding your fuel consumption measurement - an issue I think the variation you're noticing (especially with the diesel truck) is due to your one click method of measurement... I do recall you put a video up previously about your thoughts on why you only use this method, however I think in the long run it's not going to accurately reflect varying pumps and ultimately not be as controlled of a measurement... For a few reasons, but different pumps have varying methods of flow rate, and when dealing with diesel it can foam up alot depending on those rates, the mix type, winter/summer diesel and/or even temperatures at the time of filling... This can even happen with gas, although to a lesser extent... I've spent years measuring every vehicle I own (I'm anal that way haha) - and found that the 30 second wait (and 2nd click method) seems to really even things out as I've witnessed many times when the pump would prematurely click off early due to these factors; and the ensuing longer timeframe to the 2nd click... It's interesting if you watch TFL and notice how many times the pump can be off prior to the 2nd click (as they measure that way too) it's pretty easy to see it's a more reliable measurement to gauge the most controlled environment possible. Thanks again for posting these - I watch practically every one you post!
Having many different full size SUV and trucks over the years - my 2020 GMC 1500 AT4 with 3.0L diesel 10 speed is by far the best vehicle I’ve ever owned . Tows easily , love the looks , mileage crushes any 4x4 Tahoe I’ve had prior
It's an interesting premise. Diesel is more expensive where I live, so it works out that it's nearly on par with fuel costs to the powerboost hybrid, with a 5% edge to the hybrid. Fundamentally I'd rather have the diesel, but I just don't trust the inevitable out of warranty emissions and fuel systems repair bills.
To me it's not a matter of best mpg wins, it's the one that keeps more of my cash where it belongs, in my pocket. Diesels are expensive to buy and operate
Great work putting this video together. I already have a 2019 Ram limited that I love. I tow with it regularly and it’s fantastic. I’ll be passing this on to a friend who is in the market for a truck.
I’ll make a recommendation on your fill up, which may help explain the differences in actual gallons delivered and what you were expecting. Fill the tank to the first click. Leave the nozzle in the truck. Wait 30 seconds, then fill up to the click again. I think you will find more consistency in fill ups. Gas and diesels both foam and the nozzles are set up to shut down on foam. One filler neck may be longer or shorter than the others and the foam level may get to the nozzle faster or slower, thus not giving you a consistent fill up on every truck. I’ve enjoyed your videos on the new Ford F-150 hybrid and I’m glad it is capable of easily towing a 6000# trailer. To me the big advantage will be that 7.5KW plug on the back. No more messy gas fill ups on the generator, no more running out of gas in the middle of the night, no more can’t run the microwave if the AC is running. Plus I will be able to run the refrigerator on electric (gas cutoff for safety) AND the AC, on the road, so on really hot days, if we stop at the rest area to eat lunch, we can step into a cool Coach and not a burning pit. Yea, sir, I can’t wait to get my hands on one. I’m now downsizing from a 38’ diesel Super C, back to an F150 and a conventional trailer. They say life comes full circle. Mine sure is on RV’g…3 bumper pulls, 1 fifth wheel, 1 super C, and I’m going back to a bumper pull…..who’d thunk it…….Keep up the good videos….
Great video Tim! I just sold my 19’ Ram 1500 limited 5.7. It was a really nice truck I didn’t get the 17-24 mpg they advertise, I got 12-15 mpg. I had a 16’ Denali 1500 before with the 6.2 and it did better and got closer to what the sticker advertised. I’m waiting for the new interior to arrive in the GMC and looking at the 3.0 Duramax for my next truck.
LOL ram advertises 17-24mph on the 5.7?? Seriously?? A 5.7l engine in both the ram and the 2nd gen depending on the modifications ie (large tires, steel bumpers, lift) will give more around 10mpg in winter and about 12-13mpg in summer! Chrystler filed chapter 11 3x's in their history. Toyota HAD the best 5.7l I force engine. Toyotas dont rust like ever single dodge. Also the 2nd gen Tundras stock manifold is much better than the rams. Of course you get what you pay for. When I was looking at trucks the 5.7 toyota was a good 10 grand more than a 5.7l dodge.
I have the '19 Ram Longhorn, and I agree with you. I definitely do not get the advertised MPG - not even close. I also hand-calculated MPG to be near 1.5-2MPG less on average than the truck states. I think Ram needs to be sued to correct their advertising, tbh.
Wait for the 2023 gmc model it will have the newer updated Diesel engine. I’ll watch out for that need better gas mileage compared to what you are getting on your ram. I am also getting around 15mpg on my 19’ rebel.
Great video! Thank you for your dedication in bringing the average consumer this very important information. I drive a '20 GMC Sierra Denali Duramax 6.6L Turbo and I love it! I'm curious about what you don't like about the seats, exactly. We road tripped from Western WA to Northern Arizona and I was very impressed with the comfort of said seats. My back is a trainwreck from driving dump trucks for a living for decades. The lumbar support, heated seats, and roominess saved me! I've never owned a vehicle as comfortable. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what it is that turns you off of the GMC seats... Thanks again! Your videos are the BEST, hands down!!! Keep up the good work! 👍👍
Thanks for doing so much work to give a very detailed video on how these trucks tow. I had found with my 2021 Ram 1500 Warlock that the tires were too low on air pressure when my partner and I had first towed our Travel Trailer. Something we had done was added the tire pressures to our “preflight check-list” and had upgraded our hitch to the ProPride 3P anti-sway and weight distribution hitch. The combination of those two things had extremely improved our towing experience. If you ever have the chance to look up or try that hitch, I think you will be impressed. Thanks again for creating such great content!
I drive all Dodge Ram Jeep.. They have minor issues but overall they seem the only brand not going off the cliff with so much technology that it makes driving on nothing but chimes, dings, warnings, seats shaking, steering wheel vibrating… I hate all of that stuff it actually distracts me and makes me feel LESS OF A DRIVER. Its truly a very real issue that gets me sort of upset. As far as hitches, the anti sway load leveling hitches are excellent on a half ton or a Jeep. Mine is a different brand but basically the same design. It stopped the butt wagging on my Gladiator (totally) when pulling the Overland camper Now if I can ever get to the Hemi swap in it, that would become my most favorite truck ever Once that is done I will probably keep it until I’m not around anymore. The techno nightmare of overbearing bs is probably not going to slow down, so I figure I have bought my last new vehicle so my stuff better be ready to last about 50 years hopefully
I have a 18 f150 with the 3.5, but it’s been at the dealer for so many repairs, I am really leaning towards the Toyota. If I had confidence the F150 would last, I’d keep it. Not that Toyota or anyone else doesn’t have issues, you have to look at longevity and reliability with todays prices.
Rn the new toyota tundras are having wastegate issues, but the thing I can say it has variable turbo which means without downshifting or downshifting to much it will use the turbo to keep it up at speeds vs a NA like the ram in the video had to down shift a few times to say the same speed but it shows that the variable turbo tech is nice but at the sametime it will but a lot of ware on the turbo.
@@esteemedenergy I ended up keeping mine for now. I met a guy the got the new Tundra for the same reasons. He absolutely loves the new Tundra. Good choice.
I love Toyotas but the new 6 cylinder turbo engines have had several recall notices for repairs. Also keep in mind that turbos have higher rpm’s, more heat, more wear and tear, which all means shorter engine life. Please do a little homework before purchasing.
Great work Tim, enjoyable and informative watch. Guys will beat on each other forever about which truck brand is the best, but the reality is they all have their good and bad points. There's no one brand that gets it all right with capability, looks, efficiency, reliability, fun factor, value etc. It's great to get your perspective on the different brands and your non-biased opinion of them!
Hey Tim...just found your page...you got some good info about trucks... I'm planning to get my first truck.. your video has been great on info...love how your truthful you are about all brand..keep up the good work.
I averaged 33 mpg in my Chevy 3.0 diesel for the last complete tank-full. I am so happy with it thus far. I have 60,000 miles on it. I drove all of these trucks before deciding. I agree that the RAM drives nice, but the chevy is also nice. I got the cloth seats which seems to be a little better than the leather for softness.
Great video Tim! I for one appreciated the longer video vs. several short ones, made it more of an event. Something to kick back and watch! Keep up the great work!
I’ve towed over 10k miles with my Powerboost and she is thirsty. Lots of power though. Live in AZ and good grief my fill ups when driving to NorCal last year were expensive. But made some great memories gold prospecting with my family was worth it. And nothing beats the 7.2kW built in genny. Boondocking in Albuquerque and Kingman parking lots running my trailers AC in almost complete silence was nice. Others around had to be miserable without running a generator.
I realize everyone has their opinions and input on comparisons like this. I can tell you from experience, the GM 6.2 V8 will outshine the Ram on towing fuel economy every time.
Thanks, Tim! I enjoyed that. I must say I was really surprised to see that Tundra's mpg when the testing was over. It makes me all the more curious about the hybrid version.
Great video!!! I think it would be more accurate MPG/pump-accuracy if the loop was longer say 100 miles. I'm surprised Tundra got better MPG than F150 Hybrid. I think Tundra's engine is a gem! Also, It would be more beneficial to show less "driver view" and instead more camera on the "dash and HUD", that's where all the info is at.
My dads just bought a Chevy 3500 drw with the duramax and his trip odometer is saying he was getting 13.6 towing a 15k lb 42 foot trailer. We live in Northeast Pa for reference. I was very impressed by the truck. My f250 power stroke is only getting like 14.6 with no load. So I say props to Chevy
If your power stroke is getting only 14mpg unloaded something is wrong with it...my 2011 f350 gets 18 avg..heck even my 1987 f250 6.9 IDI gets about 16-18..
@@liamparkki9168 I’m definitely looking for a tune up, but CA doesn’t allow the original ecu to be messed with, so I’m waiting until I can get it reregistered in another state to take the DEF crap off and get it tuned up with a 60hp tune
@ReidM7799YT mpg in a superduty is heavily dependent on vehicle speed on the highway. I can see 20 if I drive 60 mph. In Texas, though, it's hard not to get run over doing 60 on the highway
I don't haul much. I am usually commuting 15 miles to work or driving 600 or 700 miles across the country - so a small/medium displacement V-8 is my first choice.
too bad they can’t combine all the good features but you’re totally right about preference being a (the?) major driving force (pun intended) for what is “best”. I had a 1500 and 2500 GMC AT4 and towed with both. Love them but not perfect. The 6.2L in the 1/2 ton is such a fun truck to drive and sounds so good with the performance exhaust. The 2500 was the smoothest/quietest vehicle I’ve owned and incredible towing experience.
Outstanding video Tim, I really enjoyed this format and can only imagine how difficult it must be to produce an hour + long video comparison between these vehicles. Would love to see this type of review again.
You really should read the manual on how to set up the trailer braking gain on the Tundra. I have a Tundra and I followed the instructions to set it to where it needs to be depending on the trailer and the weight loaded. The gain can vary if your trailer is loaded heavy or light depending on the trip (boondocking or not, water on board) and the age of your trailer brake pads (more pad wear - likely higher gain). It literally takes 30 secs to set the gain properly. I check it every time I hook up to my RV just to make sure it is set at the proper setting.
Thank you so much for doing these tests! It was extra fun to watch as I’m from Torrington, so seeing the hills was a little bit of home! You did a very thorough job, covering so many important aspects. I feel more prepared to make my choice!!
Great job Tim! Diesel foams when filling the tank, especially when it is on the fastest discharge. I just put it on the first click and let it fill up from there an I don't seem to have any problems.--Slower discharge into the tank from the pump.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7, 3.92 gears, Cat back exhaust, S&B cold air box filter. I tow a 6,000 LB Jayco TT with an Anderson hitch . I live at 1100 feet and tow up to the mountains at 9,300 feet and back . I get 13 mpg round trip . The Hemi runs great , 8 speed is awesome on the downgrades . I pull the hills around 50 mph to keep the rpms down but the Hemi would do more if I punched it .
Thanks for all the hard work and coordination. I hope you try to do this again with the refresh GMC 3.0 and the Tundra hybrid. Very interested in the numbers, hopefully you would get the GMC with the heavy duty trailering package, wonder if this would change the experience. Thanks again.
At least in Canada, the GMC with heavy duty trailering package removes the diesel engine, either it's already equipped, or GM is only putting it on the V8.
@@gwot Just built one on the Canadian site, refresh sierra you can get the diesel with max trailering package, slated to tow 11,700 lbs. Ironically I couldn’t find to put trailer mirrors on it.
@@gwot The max tow package with the 3.0 is just coming out. They had to make some changes for the big max tow package radiator and intercooler for the turbo.
@@vitkobylka6432 Same if you get the towing mirrors it takes off the standard mirrors. Not very smart GM. But if you get the surround vision you get the fancy camera on the outside of the mirror.
Great videos you have dude. Just got my SR5 Tundra in Feb2022. Started listen to you back in late 2021. Seen about 5 of yours. Excellent. GO Tundra. I have non hybrid.
Enjoy seeing pulls up the wildcat hills or stagecoach hill as some call it. Living in the panhandle your reviews are very relevant considering the extreme weather swings we see, especially the wind. Keep it up.
Hello Tim, I have a Ram Rebel, 2020, 5.7 w/eTorque. 72K currently, I added a CAI, and Airlifted 5000. I pull the same RV, 2023 model and average 12mpg at tow speed of 65mph.
It will be hard to get an accurate reading on the diesel by going with the "first click" method. Diesel foams up, and my experience is that if you would wait a minute, you can get much more in. Gasoline does not foam, so your method using "one click" will work just fine.
Agreed. When I had a diesel car, I could do a real top off, but took a little patience. Good for accurate mpg readings that way tho and won't damage equipment like in a gas vehicle.
The air ride on the back of the Ram raised the hitch to the point where the trailer was visibly off level. It was high in the front (at the hitch) vs at the rear of the trailer. I guess that may have had some effect on the sway you felt.
Check that owners manual again Tim. You should never use 4WD auto on dry pavement. You have the front axle engaged when you do that. It creates a lot extra drag it impacts fuel economy and extra wear on the front end.
So in all of your test tundra finished 2nd and RAM last yet you picked RAM as the one for you. I guess if we have the same luxury of replacing trucks every year i probably wouldn’t care of the reliability either. But thanks for this info. Tundra will always be my number 1 since i keep my trucks atleast 72 months.
@@Skabanis i have had bad luck with the dodge. I know people with chevy n f150 had issues as well. When i sold my 2011 tundra after 3 years i still made money even tho it was a financed car. Others will always have better bling blings but for me nothing lasts like a tundra. About their milage tho..🤷🏼♂️
I've got a chevy 5.3 4×4 with 190,000 miles. Deleted the AFM with a plug in. It's paid for and hasn't had any major issues. Back fenders are getting rusty but, not bad for a 12 year old truck. I'm thinking with the prices of these new trucks, I'll most likely get a new engine when needed and take it to a body shop for alot less.
Toyota is dominant in sunny California and areas where the nation sees the best weather. Here on Cleveland it’s been no more reliable than other trucks that people take care of.
I would LOVE to have a small diesel, but they aren't reliable enough today, and when something goes wrong, it costs way too much to fix. The days of dead simple diesel engines lasting 500k-1 million miles and getting amazing MPG with just basic maintenance are over. Now, everything attached to these diesel engines breaks and costs thousands of dollars to fix. And to top it off, you also have to pay huge dollars to have the privilege to experience this compared to what gas engines cost to option out, lol.
That is the exact reason I got my Silverado 3500 dually with the new 6.6 gasser almost 500 torque is plenty for what I’m using the truck for and I don’t have to deal with def or fuel filters it’s a win win.
Reason I’ve switched to Toyota gas from Cummins. Doesn’t pay to drive diesel in 90% of application, plus gas is just simply snappier and easier to get in and go
@@Nedinho23 not a chance. Diesel has its place and it’s not in a small pickup. We operate various farms and rely on pickups to run the smaller errands and tasks. We’ve used diesels in the past and are switching back to gas in the last several years. Diesel trucks are honestly a hoax. Seriously. They’re slower empty, 10k more up front cost, poor warmth in winter, worse payload, emission control problems, and worst of all, if you calculate cheaper gas vs diesel fuel in our area, there’s hardly any price difference towing. (3.25 gas @ 9 mpg. Vs $4 diesel @ 12 mpg) towing 20000 lbs gross
@@justinmartin8887 I think it matters what your use is. Plus, the Hemi and Ecoboost require 89 to 91 octane, which makes fuel cost nearly a wash (depending on what part of the country you're in). Did the diesel not perform well due to the short runs you had to make?
Agreed! Lower tow rating than some of the other engines, but they did just raise the max tow limit for the new model as they increased torque in that engine. And, many people, like me, only tow 3,000lb boats and 3,000lb enclosed trailers. When they first introduced it, they only offered the 4x4 pickups with no low range; only 4x2 and 4high. Hope that was just due to first year as that inline 4 turbo will make a great little engine for many, but no 4low is a deal breaker for me.
No disagreements my only thing was when you said fun to drive doing a donut in a truck I had to laugh a little, because I was just out driving my GT350R. Good job on the test’
Okay, okay..I just subscribed! Great information and I love the fact that your information is unbiased. I love the GMC overall because of the diesel. If it wasn't available, I'd probably still be a Ford guy. I'll NEVER purchase a gasoline engine truck again! I'll also be upgrading my 2021 to the 2022 refresh this fall just so I can have the larger screen.
Hey Tim great work, love the videos. However, I must point this out as correction to your statement @ 32:46. When you mentioned it's about $1k to do oil belt every 10-12 years. That is gross understatement that your viewers should know. DemonWorks did a video on this that anyone considering 3.0L Duramax should watch. Its approx 10 hour to 15 hour job at a minimum and dealers are backed up days if not weeks. At $175 GM hourly labor rate not counting parts is well over $2500 if not closer to $3k. Push this work out 10 years and imagine the rate of inflation for labor cost will be well over $200 per hour. I am not saying don't buy the Duramax as I think it's great engine! I just think the viewer/potential buyer should research this more and weight how long they intend keeping it and application they intend to use it for. As most people do short drives and never haul w/their trucks as it's a statement piece more than a tool.
I really do appreciate the work you put into a video like this, but the video itself didn't actually have to be over an hour long. I think it could've been trimmed down bit more. I'm a fan, so I'll watch the entire thing, but I think some might get bored and jump ship with such a long video, IMO.
You should refuel like tfl does. Specially with diesel and it’s foaming. Let it click wait 30 seconds and fuel again till second click. You’ll get better results
@@Pickuptrucktalk - thnx Tim. It appears that this feature allows you to see a rough range of pounds/kilos on the “scale mode” that is viewable within the FordPass app. It’s not an exact # of pounds but rather it appears to show your payload is currently at let’s say 1,800 lbs (give or take a 100 lbs). Images are available on the UA-cam video titled ‘2021 Ford F 150 Onboard Scales FordPass B Roll’.
Very good and honest review I’d go Toyota, I know I have a Toyota car currently yet the brake pads have yet to be changed over 90k. Toyota will make up for the initial cost in the long run. They are definitely cars and trucks to keep. A Toyota engineer recently said that twin turbo V6 has been test to go a million miles in real world driving. I’m also constantly reminded of the video how to kill a Toyota. Watch it on UA-cam to be impressed. Sure it was an overseas Hilux yet I believe it shows you what Toyota is capable of.
The 3 liter oil burner from gm seems to be a very impressive engine that doesn't have problems, I work on the service side of a gmc dealership and hate the gas trucks they make except for the 4.3 and the 6.0 because they have a couple really notorious problems that have effected a lot of people.
My question is: what is the trade off of initial cost of the diesel vs the difference in long term fuel economy? How long does it take to realize a savings? Great video, thanks
Great videos, just be careful when you decide to get a ram, they don't hold value and when they break they are ridiculous and expensive to fix, but when they run they run nice....all of course IMO
Honestly, that was pretty damn difficult. The new video editor really wanted more drone footage and I have a drone that "follows me." The highway I shot it on is a state highway and there aren't any restrictions on flying a drone in the area. So, I launched it from the side of the road and had it follow me for just a few minutes then landed and loaded it back in the truck. The problem was I was by myself and nervous the drone would get lost over private property or something. If I did it again, I'd need a two-man team. I do think it turned out pretty well.
The truck didn't have coils, as it had the optioned 4 corner air suspension, that requires a different set up process. Trailer was nose high, causing the sway.
Boost ftw. My neighbor upgraded his Ram to a diesel Superduty because itvwas struggling. My trailer is the same size as his and I have no issues towing with my Expedition.
Great Video. I like the reliability of Toyota with a decent mpg. Thanks for your input. Talking to my friend that is a diesel mechanic... there are some nightmares with the gov't emissions, glow plugs getting broken off, head gaskets blowning. Maybe you should do a video talking to your local diesel mechanic to prove me wrong?
Damn I put in an order for an AT4 in February and the dealership didn’t tell me they aren’t building until March they just gave me a 5-7 months time frame. Hoping for a good time to get it in
Great job Tim. I really like your videos and how you try to review trucks more like a normal guy/driver. I have a 2019 Ram and I love it. Lately I've been wanting a new Tundra, but something about the Ram and their interior and the Hemi just keep me coming back. So I decided to buy a Corsa exhaust, and intake instead so I can really hear that rumble! Keep it up man
I was a mechanic and dropping the transmission on a 2wd is easier then removing everything in front of a normally placed timing belt. It only takes about an hour and a half. 4x4 takes another hour.
@@moonwalker8172 Anyone who buys a 50K+ 2wd truck in any area that gets cold or snow dont need a truck. 2wd truck with no weight in the back is literally worthless in winter. Might as well buy a fwd suv.
Does everything think the eco boost and tundra don’t need timing chains put in them around the same time? My eco boost stretched went into limp mode around 120k because the timing chain stretched so far the cams couldn’t phase enough to keep it running right. It was 4k to replace and they took the body off the frame to do it. This isn’t just a new 3.0 issue for Chevy its something that will happen on the other trucks which is why I’m a big fan of the 6.2
I have to agree with you about having a fun drive with the Ram. I love my 2022 Ram Rebel it's a fun truck to drive and looks awesome inside and out. I must admit I'm a little Rebel at heart. Thanks for the hard work you did in this information video. 🇺🇲🤙🏽
I towed my side-by-side 2,000 miles with the hybrid Ford and it got 10.3mpg for the entire trip. The weight of everything I was towing was about 4,000lbs. this was going from east to west, so it was overall a rather big change in elevation up. I got the powerboost for the 240v/30amp outlet. Not needing generator in the bed of my truck is a big deal.
I think there’s been some significant changes in 2022 model’s. I look forward to an update video. This was great buyer info. Thank you. Now, all we need is for the war to end so we can afford to drive them. 🥴
It comes down to what you use the truck for. If you use as a daily commuter with occasional towing I would go with the hybrid. Different world with federal mandates going green
I love the videos you put together. I find thim edjucrional. I try hard to listen in ditale. But your words runs tigether fastley. I am happy I can rewind and play thease videos. Thanks agen.
I had a 2019 Sierra 2500 & now 2021 F-150. I don’t feel confident & comfortable towing with the Ford F-150. It has an amazing powertrain. I love the 3.5 EcoBoost but the truck isn’t stable while towing. I tow around 7500 pounds. I like the GMC better. If I wasn’t having constant transmission problems, I would not get rid of it.
That is the reason Im glad I got a Titan XD. When it comes to stability no other half ton could come close. Mine is a 2016 platinum reserve cummins diesel and weighs well over 7,000lbs so im sure thats why its so much more stable.
Could do a test on the Ram 3.0 eco diesel, GMC 5.3 v8, 6.2 v8 and Ford 5.0 coyote. That would cover rest of popular power trains. Thank so much doing really towing test for normal people. Not everyone going go up the IKE. Keep up great work.
This video helped me with a decision to purchase a 2023 Silverado with the 3.0 diesel. I’ve owned it for two days now and I am genuinely enjoying it so far. I am a big fan of Toyotas. Previously owning a Tundra, Supra, my wife a Camry, and my daughters drive Corollas. All of them have been super reliable. I had 2014 Chevy Cruze diesel that I liked for the 48MPG during my times with a long commute, but at 90k miles had transmission issues. My 2013 Camaro SS was flawless and I miss that car. I spec my cars with mid trim level options with cloth seats but with all the available performance for the model. I am hoping I can own this new Silverado for a minimum of 15 years.
Hi Tim, love your vids - it's great to see this comparison as it really shows real world testing in a relatively controlled environment. One thing of note thoug iam from saudi you did will brother
An exhaust break is a quieter alternative to the "Jake Brake" it restricts the flow of exhaust gases creating backflow restricting the ability of the engine to pump air and thus creating negative torque. This is the opposite of the Jake break that forces the engine to return to BDC under vacuum as a mechanism of creating negative torque.
RAM towing with some sway. Wonder if WDH got partially defeated when truck erased most of the squat (and resistance on WD bars) with air suspension returning rear height most of the way to normal. Also looked like trailer was a bit nose up behind the RAM. Maybe needed a different hitch height setting to get the trailer flat and less up in the wind. Tundra certainly seemed the least phased by uphill towing and decent ride the whole way. And the mpg? Turbo with >10 is a nice surprise.
I have the same question after others brought it up. Apparently Ram has a different setup procedure when you hook up WDH bars. I'd never heard of such a thing and honestly, only had a limited amount of time to tow with it. I basically had one day to cram everything in with the weather and travel. This is part of the reason I want to buy a Ram to spend more time with it.
@@Pickuptrucktalk that's exactly what happened, equal-i-zer or fastway has a video that describes this fairly well. When I tested the ram with 4 corner air suspension I put it on wheel scales so I could see exactly how much WD it had after leveling. Typically to get where you want after it levels you need to set it up at 100% WD to start, meaning front fender is the same height when hooked up and before auto level as it was empty.
I’ve had my Sierra 3.0 over a year now and it continues to impress. By far the best truck I’ve ever owned. I’ve had a Ram, Tundra, and a Titan in the past.
Have you had any problems with the hard shifting in the transmission yet?
Just remember the oil pump belt and cam timing chains. Cab off and trans drop to service. The oil pump is 100-125k mile interval because it's a belt the chains I'm not sure but on an interference style engine I would follow manufacturers specs on those chains as skipped timing could throw the valves into the pistons
I just bought a 24 Silverado, I was 100% against the 3.0 diesel at first being a longtime 6.6 Duramax owner I thought there was no way a 3.0 could even come close to doing the job. Boy was I wrong. This truck is amazing and I cannot believe the gas mileage. I still have the 6.6 for the real heavy jobs but for day to day work this is going to be a great truck.
@@kylevanwinkle2081it’s 200k miles service and only a tranny drop lol way to lie and exaggerate
Good overall on the driving impressions. Suggestion for fueling is to use slowest pumping flow detent on the pump to allow for more consistency in filling the fuel tanks. My Alfa Romeo Giulia would consistently trip the auto stop of the fuel pump, indicating it was full even though it was 2-3 gallons short of what it should have required to be full. When I tried the slow method, the tank accepted the correct volumes.
Agree. Fuel foaming makes for very inconsistent auto-shutoff. Diesel foams even more than gas. And if you are only refilling a few gallons vs 20 gallons, your auto-shutoff will be very different due to fuel foaming so, when these reviewers do their first fill up from nearly empty tank and then "after test" fill-up with only a few gallon fill, vastly different foaming. Using the slowest pump speed is a good start especially if you are only filling with a single auto-shutoff. Or, fill TFL style where they fill fast until shutoff (which foams a lot and shuts off way early so no risk if overfilling) and wait 30 seconds. Then slow fill until click off (not fast fill like TFL does). That method does not overfill the tank and the slow fill at the end, after waiting for fast fill foam to go away, will get a consistent shutoff.
Even then, only driving 50 miles and only burning a few gallons is a much too small sample size to get realistic mpg calculation. I know these reviews don't have time or money to do 20 gallon trips for each scenario, but that is the way to get more reliable mpg ratings. These tests were done within a day and similar temp and wind, but so often the reviews are done much different outside temps, winds, etc. and so the viewers just have to understand these video comparisons will only give you a ballpark idea of fuel efficiency.
Petroleum engineers suggest the first notch on the pump along with morning fill.
Yup
@@MrChadx1 Yep. Must do second click on the auto-off, after waiting 20-30 seconds for the fuel to stop foaming, and then use the slowest fillup speed detent on the lever. That is the only practical fill-up method for consistency, IMO.
I agree quite heavily with your conclusions. I will say something you missed, the Ram you drove has a GT/sport exhaust which makes it louder in that specific trim than any other Ram. And yes it's not all that confident in towing, you need to setup your WDH exactly right or it gets squirrely (I've owned and towed with a 2019 ram for a few years now). For myself, once the GM interior gets updated, the 3.0 GMC will be the clear winner as a daily driver/tow machine (assuming the seats are also updated).
Thanks and good point on the G/T noise. Frankly, I loved it! Just something to consider.
I have a Limited 3.0 diesel Ram. I was surprised at first about the tow experience. It is not a rock solid experience with my air suspension. And ya know what? It took me about 3 hours to get what was going on and I'm fine with it. My sister was seriously concerned. But, she drives a kidney killing F250. It's a difference in the rear suspension for sure. I normally tow a load of about 6,800lbs thru the mountains near Chattanooga and Gatlinburg. I have done it in snow storm and rain storm alike and felt so safe in it. So, I understand that the air suspension is a setup you have to get comfortable with. And I really am cause it just rides so nice trailer or not behind me. As far as my mileage, I get an honest 13 mpg thru the hills both directions. With my 33 gallon tank I get 460 miles to a tank. So I don't drive like a tank, I drive like a Caddy that tows.
I do agree about the towing in the ram , I have this truck as a loaner and just towed 7x16 x7 tall enclosed trailer for three hours in windy conditions.
It wasn't a treat , had to drive the speed limits , a little sketchy!
Dang Tim, we're usually amazed when you can coordinate 2 sets of shoe laces simultaneously much less 4 towing vehicles in one video 😜. Still watching...
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Thank you for the efforts to put this together. It shows results from real world testing for those who will actually use the truck for it purpose. All of the factors are important; towing, efficiency, ride quality and comfort, styling, etc. Excellent work sir.
I realize this is a year old, but the trailer wasn't level on the ram. It was nose high which contributed to the sway.
What is the best? You nailed it at the end when you mentioned the importance of what people are looking for personally and you videos definitely make a positive difference in those choices. Very informative without "pushing" any one platform. Nicely done!
Great video and worth the watch. I have a 2020 Ram Rebel 5.7 Hemi. Moved from Texas coast to Alaska and pulled a 6,200 lb travel trailer from TX to AK 13.1mpg avg . 4,000 mi trip.
Hi Tim, love your vids - it's great to see this comparison as it really shows real world testing in a relatively controlled environment. One thing of note though - regarding your fuel consumption measurement - an issue I think the variation you're noticing (especially with the diesel truck) is due to your one click method of measurement... I do recall you put a video up previously about your thoughts on why you only use this method, however I think in the long run it's not going to accurately reflect varying pumps and ultimately not be as controlled of a measurement... For a few reasons, but different pumps have varying methods of flow rate, and when dealing with diesel it can foam up alot depending on those rates, the mix type, winter/summer diesel and/or even temperatures at the time of filling... This can even happen with gas, although to a lesser extent... I've spent years measuring every vehicle I own (I'm anal that way haha) - and found that the 30 second wait (and 2nd click method) seems to really even things out as I've witnessed many times when the pump would prematurely click off early due to these factors; and the ensuing longer timeframe to the 2nd click... It's interesting if you watch TFL and notice how many times the pump can be off prior to the 2nd click (as they measure that way too) it's pretty easy to see it's a more reliable measurement to gauge the most controlled environment possible. Thanks again for posting these - I watch practically every one you post!
Having many different full size SUV and trucks over the years - my 2020 GMC 1500 AT4 with 3.0L diesel 10 speed is by far the best vehicle I’ve ever owned . Tows easily , love the looks , mileage crushes any 4x4 Tahoe I’ve had prior
It's an interesting premise. Diesel is more expensive where I live, so it works out that it's nearly on par with fuel costs to the powerboost hybrid, with a 5% edge to the hybrid. Fundamentally I'd rather have the diesel, but I just don't trust the inevitable out of warranty emissions and fuel systems repair bills.
I love my 21 3.0 1500 gmc
To me it's not a matter of best mpg wins, it's the one that keeps more of my cash where it belongs, in my pocket. Diesels are expensive to buy and operate
@@sly9263 extended warranty?
@@nabatron21 extended warranties are profit to the seller, not the consumer
Great work putting this video together. I already have a 2019 Ram limited that I love. I tow with it regularly and it’s fantastic. I’ll be passing this on to a friend who is in the market for a truck.
Thanks!
I’ll make a recommendation on your fill up, which may help explain the differences in actual gallons delivered and what you were expecting. Fill the tank to the first click. Leave the nozzle in the truck. Wait 30 seconds, then fill up to the click again. I think you will find more consistency in fill ups. Gas and diesels both foam and the nozzles are set up to shut down on foam. One filler neck may be longer or shorter than the others and the foam level may get to the nozzle faster or slower, thus not giving you a consistent fill up on every truck. I’ve enjoyed your videos on the new Ford F-150 hybrid and I’m glad it is capable of easily towing a 6000# trailer. To me the big advantage will be that 7.5KW plug on the back. No more messy gas fill ups on the generator, no more running out of gas in the middle of the night, no more can’t run the microwave if the AC is running. Plus I will be able to run the refrigerator on electric (gas cutoff for safety) AND the AC, on the road, so on really hot days, if we stop at the rest area to eat lunch, we can step into a cool Coach and not a burning pit. Yea, sir, I can’t wait to get my hands on one. I’m now downsizing from a 38’ diesel Super C, back to an F150 and a conventional trailer. They say life comes full circle. Mine sure is on RV’g…3 bumper pulls, 1 fifth wheel, 1 super C, and I’m going back to a bumper pull…..who’d thunk it…….Keep up the good videos….
Great video Tim! I just sold my 19’ Ram 1500 limited 5.7. It was a really nice truck I didn’t get the 17-24 mpg they advertise, I got 12-15 mpg. I had a 16’ Denali 1500 before with the 6.2 and it did better and got closer to what the sticker advertised. I’m waiting for the new interior to arrive in the GMC and looking at the 3.0 Duramax for my next truck.
LOL ram advertises 17-24mph on the 5.7?? Seriously?? A 5.7l engine in both the ram and the 2nd gen depending on the modifications ie (large tires, steel bumpers, lift) will give more around 10mpg in winter and about 12-13mpg in summer! Chrystler filed chapter 11 3x's in their history. Toyota HAD the best 5.7l I force engine. Toyotas dont rust like ever single dodge. Also the 2nd gen Tundras stock manifold is much better than the rams. Of course you get what you pay for. When I was looking at trucks the 5.7 toyota was a good 10 grand more than a 5.7l dodge.
I have the '19 Ram Longhorn, and I agree with you. I definitely do not get the advertised MPG - not even close. I also hand-calculated MPG to be near 1.5-2MPG less on average than the truck states. I think Ram needs to be sued to correct their advertising, tbh.
Wait for the 2023 gmc model it will have the newer updated Diesel engine. I’ll watch out for that need better gas mileage compared to what you are getting on your ram. I am also getting around 15mpg on my 19’ rebel.
Great video! Thank you for your dedication in bringing the average consumer this very important information. I drive a '20 GMC Sierra Denali Duramax 6.6L Turbo and I love it! I'm curious about what you don't like about the seats, exactly. We road tripped from Western WA to Northern Arizona and I was very impressed with the comfort of said seats. My back is a trainwreck from driving dump trucks for a living for decades. The lumbar support, heated seats, and roominess saved me! I've never owned a vehicle as comfortable. I'd love to hear your thoughts on what it is that turns you off of the GMC seats... Thanks again! Your videos are the BEST, hands down!!! Keep up the good work! 👍👍
Thanks for doing so much work to give a very detailed video on how these trucks tow. I had found with my 2021 Ram 1500 Warlock that the tires were too low on air pressure when my partner and I had first towed our Travel Trailer. Something we had done was added the tire pressures to our “preflight check-list” and had upgraded our hitch to the ProPride 3P anti-sway and weight distribution hitch. The combination of those two things had extremely improved our towing experience. If you ever have the chance to look up or try that hitch, I think you will be impressed. Thanks again for creating such great content!
Just get a Cummins.
I drive all Dodge Ram Jeep..
They have minor issues but overall they seem the only brand not going off the cliff with so much technology that it makes driving on nothing but chimes, dings, warnings, seats shaking, steering wheel vibrating… I hate all of that stuff it actually distracts me and makes me feel LESS OF A DRIVER. Its truly a very real issue that gets me sort of upset.
As far as hitches, the anti sway load leveling hitches are excellent on a half ton or a Jeep.
Mine is a different brand but basically the same design.
It stopped the butt wagging on my Gladiator (totally) when pulling the Overland camper
Now if I can ever get to the Hemi swap in it, that would become my most favorite truck ever
Once that is done I will probably keep it until I’m not around anymore.
The techno nightmare of overbearing bs is probably not going to slow down, so I figure I have bought my last new vehicle so my stuff better be ready to last about 50 years hopefully
Ordered a GMC refresh with 3.0. Best powertrain out there over all I believe.
I have a 18 f150 with the 3.5, but it’s been at the dealer for so many repairs, I am really leaning towards the Toyota. If I had confidence the F150 would last, I’d keep it. Not that Toyota or anyone else doesn’t have issues, you have to look at longevity and reliability with todays prices.
Rn the new toyota tundras are having wastegate issues, but the thing I can say it has variable turbo which means without downshifting or downshifting to much it will use the turbo to keep it up at speeds vs a NA like the ram in the video had to down shift a few times to say the same speed but it shows that the variable turbo tech is nice but at the sametime it will but a lot of ware on the turbo.
My 2021 F150 was lemon lawed, POS was in the shop 7 times in the first 8 months. Ordered the Tundra 3 weeks ago, my first.
@@esteemedenergy I ended up keeping mine for now. I met a guy the got the new Tundra for the same reasons. He absolutely loves the new Tundra. Good choice.
I love Toyotas but the new 6 cylinder turbo engines have had several recall notices for repairs. Also keep in mind that turbos have higher rpm’s, more heat, more wear and tear, which all means shorter engine life. Please do a little homework before purchasing.
@@Erin-Thor all new trucks have turbos
Popcorn ready, Rum ready. Let's go!!!
Great work Tim, enjoyable and informative watch. Guys will beat on each other forever about which truck brand is the best, but the reality is they all have their good and bad points. There's no one brand that gets it all right with capability, looks, efficiency, reliability, fun factor, value etc. It's great to get your perspective on the different brands and your non-biased opinion of them!
Awesome that you are going with the Ram! Love their trucks. Great video!
Hey Tim...just found your page...you got some good info about trucks... I'm planning to get my first truck.. your video has been great on info...love how your truthful you are about all brand..keep up the good work.
Nice video Tim! Very informative. I like these longer videos, I can just sit back and relax. I appreciate the hard work you put into this
I averaged 33 mpg in my Chevy 3.0 diesel for the last complete tank-full. I am so happy with it thus far. I have 60,000 miles on it. I drove all of these trucks before deciding. I agree that the RAM drives nice, but the chevy is also nice. I got the cloth seats which seems to be a little better than the leather for softness.
Great video Tim! I for one appreciated the longer video vs. several short ones, made it more of an event. Something to kick back and watch! Keep up the great work!
I’ve towed over 10k miles with my Powerboost and she is thirsty. Lots of power though. Live in AZ and good grief my fill ups when driving to NorCal last year were expensive. But made some great memories gold prospecting with my family was worth it.
And nothing beats the 7.2kW built in genny. Boondocking in Albuquerque and Kingman parking lots running my trailers AC in almost complete silence was nice. Others around had to be miserable without running a generator.
I realize everyone has their opinions and input on comparisons like this. I can tell you from experience, the GM 6.2 V8 will outshine the Ram on towing fuel economy every time.
Thanks, Tim! I enjoyed that. I must say I was really surprised to see that Tundra's mpg when the testing was over. It makes me all the more curious about the hybrid version.
Same. Really want to see how the hybrid does.
The new Sequioa has the hybrid powertrain that will be available soon in the new Tundra TRD Pro.
Stay away from hybrid!
@@duckwacker8720 Why stay away from hybrids?
Thanks!
Welcome!
Great honest video lots of work on your side
Thanks!
Great video!!! I think it would be more accurate MPG/pump-accuracy if the loop was longer say 100 miles. I'm surprised Tundra got better MPG than F150 Hybrid. I think Tundra's engine is a gem! Also, It would be more beneficial to show less "driver view" and instead more camera on the "dash and HUD", that's where all the info is at.
My dads just bought a Chevy 3500 drw with the duramax and his trip odometer is saying he was getting 13.6 towing a 15k lb 42 foot trailer. We live in Northeast Pa for reference. I was very impressed by the truck. My f250 power stroke is only getting like 14.6 with no load. So I say props to Chevy
If your power stroke is getting only 14mpg unloaded something is wrong with it...my 2011 f350 gets 18 avg..heck even my 1987 f250 6.9 IDI gets about 16-18..
@@liamparkki9168 I’m definitely looking for a tune up, but CA doesn’t allow the original ecu to be messed with, so I’m waiting until I can get it reregistered in another state to take the DEF crap off and get it tuned up with a 60hp tune
@ReidM7799YT mpg in a superduty is heavily dependent on vehicle speed on the highway. I can see 20 if I drive 60 mph. In Texas, though, it's hard not to get run over doing 60 on the highway
@@ShopJock I’m also running 35’s mxt which don’t help
My stock 2020 6.7L F350 SRW gets 21.6 mpg @ 68 mph on highway with 35" load F tires
this is the video I have been waiting for
Me too reading online can only do so much when your doing it by yourself 🙂
Well, I was going to get the F150 Hybrid but decided at the End for the RAM Rebel V8 and I am excited as hell for that Truck! :)
Hes a Toyota Lover
I don't haul much. I am usually commuting 15 miles to work or driving 600 or 700 miles across the country - so a small/medium displacement V-8 is my first choice.
I believe 87 octane is the minimum to prevent engine damage according to the manual, I’d use higher when towing
Just about to say this. Fuel economy and power more than offset the cost of the mid grade fuel.
too bad they can’t combine all the good features but you’re totally right about preference being a (the?) major driving force (pun intended) for what is “best”. I had a 1500 and 2500 GMC AT4 and towed with both. Love them but not perfect. The 6.2L in the 1/2 ton is such a fun truck to drive and sounds so good with the performance exhaust. The 2500 was the smoothest/quietest vehicle I’ve owned and incredible towing experience.
Outstanding video Tim, I really enjoyed this format and can only imagine how difficult it must be to produce an hour + long video comparison between these vehicles. Would love to see this type of review again.
Hit the rewind button ...
@@sking2173 Smile brother, it’s going to be ok 😉👍
You really should read the manual on how to set up the trailer braking gain on the Tundra. I have a Tundra and I followed the instructions to set it to where it needs to be depending on the trailer and the weight loaded. The gain can vary if your trailer is loaded heavy or light depending on the trip (boondocking or not, water on board) and the age of your trailer brake pads (more pad wear - likely higher gain). It literally takes 30 secs to set the gain properly. I check it every time I hook up to my RV just to make sure it is set at the proper setting.
Thank you so much for doing these tests! It was extra fun to watch as I’m from Torrington, so seeing the hills was a little bit of home! You did a very thorough job, covering so many important aspects. I feel more prepared to make my choice!!
Awesome! My goal is informed consumers. Really glad I could help!
Great job Tim! Diesel foams when filling the tank, especially when it is on the fastest discharge. I just put it on the first click and let it fill up from there an I don't seem to have any problems.--Slower discharge into the tank from the pump.
I have a 2014 Ram 1500 Hemi 5.7, 3.92 gears, Cat back exhaust, S&B cold air box filter. I tow a 6,000 LB Jayco TT with an Anderson hitch . I live at 1100 feet and tow up to the mountains at 9,300 feet and back . I get 13 mpg round trip . The Hemi runs great , 8 speed is awesome on the downgrades . I pull the hills around 50 mph to keep the rpms down but the Hemi would do more if I punched it .
Man I'm not even a truck guy and you got me watching it wanting a truck!
On the Ram, there is a Trailer menu under Vehicle Settings. It has EVERYTHING you need.
I have done some towing with my 22 Toyota and I am very impressed at the lower p.m. on the big hills. Great video Tim
I was flat out impressed.
Thanks for all the hard work and coordination.
I hope you try to do this again with the refresh GMC 3.0 and the Tundra hybrid.
Very interested in the numbers, hopefully you would get the GMC with the heavy duty trailering package, wonder if this would change the experience. Thanks again.
At least in Canada, the GMC with heavy duty trailering package removes the diesel engine, either it's already equipped, or GM is only putting it on the V8.
@@gwot Just built one on the Canadian site, refresh sierra you can get the diesel with max trailering package, slated to tow 11,700 lbs. Ironically I couldn’t find to put trailer mirrors on it.
@@gwot The max tow package with the 3.0 is just coming out. They had to make some changes for the big max tow package radiator and intercooler for the turbo.
@@vitkobylka6432 Same if you get the towing mirrors it takes off the standard mirrors. Not very smart GM. But if you get the surround vision you get the fancy camera on the outside of the mirror.
@@vitkobylka6432 oooooooh good to know
Great videos you have dude. Just got my SR5 Tundra in Feb2022. Started listen to you back in late 2021. Seen about 5 of yours. Excellent. GO Tundra. I have non hybrid.
Enjoy seeing pulls up the wildcat hills or stagecoach hill as some call it. Living in the panhandle your reviews are very relevant considering the extreme weather swings we see, especially the wind. Keep it up.
Can’t wait for the results on that “hi bread” tundra
Hello Tim, I have a Ram Rebel, 2020, 5.7 w/eTorque. 72K currently, I added a CAI, and Airlifted 5000. I pull the same RV, 2023 model and average 12mpg at tow speed of 65mph.
It will be hard to get an accurate reading on the diesel by going with the "first click" method. Diesel foams up, and my experience is that if you would wait a minute, you can get much more in. Gasoline does not foam, so your method using "one click" will work just fine.
Agreed. When I had a diesel car, I could do a real top off, but took a little patience. Good for accurate mpg readings that way tho and won't damage equipment like in a gas vehicle.
The air ride on the back of the Ram raised the hitch to the point where the trailer was visibly off level. It was high in the front (at the hitch) vs at the rear of the trailer. I guess that may have had some effect on the sway you felt.
Check that owners manual again Tim. You should never use 4WD auto on dry pavement. You have the front axle engaged when you do that. It creates a lot extra drag it impacts fuel economy and extra wear on the front end.
Will do.
Hi Tim, another really good and helpful video. It's a really long video, so I've only seen the Ford. I'll watch the rest in small chunks.
So in all of your test tundra finished 2nd and RAM last yet you picked RAM as the one for you. I guess if we have the same luxury of replacing trucks every year i probably wouldn’t care of the reliability either. But thanks for this info. Tundra will always be my number 1 since i keep my trucks atleast 72 months.
All trucks last if you take car of them…dee dee dee
@@Skabanis i have had bad luck with the dodge. I know people with chevy n f150 had issues as well. When i sold my 2011 tundra after 3 years i still made money even tho it was a financed car. Others will always have better bling blings but for me nothing lasts like a tundra. About their milage tho..🤷🏼♂️
@@Skabanis in a perfect world yes
I've got a chevy 5.3 4×4 with 190,000 miles. Deleted the AFM with a plug in. It's paid for and hasn't had any major issues. Back fenders are getting rusty but, not bad for a 12 year old truck. I'm thinking with the prices of these new trucks, I'll most likely get a new engine when needed and take it to a body shop for alot less.
Toyota is dominant in sunny California and areas where the nation sees the best weather. Here on Cleveland it’s been no more reliable than other trucks that people take care of.
Admittedly, all those trucks look good👍
I would LOVE to have a small diesel, but they aren't reliable enough today, and when something goes wrong, it costs way too much to fix. The days of dead simple diesel engines lasting 500k-1 million miles and getting amazing MPG with just basic maintenance are over.
Now, everything attached to these diesel engines breaks and costs thousands of dollars to fix.
And to top it off, you also have to pay huge dollars to have the privilege to experience this compared to what gas engines cost to option out, lol.
That is the exact reason I got my Silverado 3500 dually with the new 6.6 gasser almost 500 torque is plenty for what I’m using the truck for and I don’t have to deal with def or fuel filters it’s a win win.
Reason I’ve switched to Toyota gas from Cummins. Doesn’t pay to drive diesel in 90% of application, plus gas is just simply snappier and easier to get in and go
Diesel is king. Buying a hd gasser is like getting a 4cyl mustang
@@Nedinho23 not a chance. Diesel has its place and it’s not in a small pickup. We operate various farms and rely on pickups to run the smaller errands and tasks. We’ve used diesels in the past and are switching back to gas in the last several years. Diesel trucks are honestly a hoax. Seriously. They’re slower empty, 10k more up front cost, poor warmth in winter, worse payload, emission control problems, and worst of all, if you calculate cheaper gas vs diesel fuel in our area, there’s hardly any price difference towing. (3.25 gas @ 9 mpg. Vs $4 diesel @ 12 mpg) towing 20000 lbs gross
@@justinmartin8887 I think it matters what your use is. Plus, the Hemi and Ecoboost require 89 to 91 octane, which makes fuel cost nearly a wash (depending on what part of the country you're in). Did the diesel not perform well due to the short runs you had to make?
Wow you're a champion for having segments!!! Subscribed!!
THANK YOU TIM. Planning on purchasing a truck in the coming weeks and this definitely helped put things into perspective for me.
This was great to see - can tell it was a lot of work to pull together
Great video, my friend. Thanks for all the effort you put on It. Keep pushing!
Would have loved to see the 2.7L perform in this!
Agreed! Lower tow rating than some of the other engines, but they did just raise the max tow limit for the new model as they increased torque in that engine. And, many people, like me, only tow 3,000lb boats and 3,000lb enclosed trailers. When they first introduced it, they only offered the 4x4 pickups with no low range; only 4x2 and 4high. Hope that was just due to first year as that inline 4 turbo will make a great little engine for many, but no 4low is a deal breaker for me.
No disagreements my only thing was when you said fun to drive doing a donut in a truck I had to laugh a little, because I was just out driving my GT350R. Good job on the test’
Okay, okay..I just subscribed! Great information and I love the fact that your information is unbiased. I love the GMC overall because of the diesel. If it wasn't available, I'd probably still be a Ford guy. I'll NEVER purchase a gasoline engine truck again! I'll also be upgrading my 2021 to the 2022 refresh this fall just so I can have the larger screen.
Hey Tim great work, love the videos. However, I must point this out as correction to your statement @ 32:46. When you mentioned it's about $1k to do oil belt every 10-12 years. That is gross understatement that your viewers should know. DemonWorks did a video on this that anyone considering 3.0L Duramax should watch. Its approx 10 hour to 15 hour job at a minimum and dealers are backed up days if not weeks. At $175 GM hourly labor rate not counting parts is well over $2500 if not closer to $3k. Push this work out 10 years and imagine the rate of inflation for labor cost will be well over $200 per hour. I am not saying don't buy the Duramax as I think it's great engine! I just think the viewer/potential buyer should research this more and weight how long they intend keeping it and application they intend to use it for. As most people do short drives and never haul w/their trucks as it's a statement piece more than a tool.
I really do appreciate the work you put into a video like this, but the video itself didn't actually have to be over an hour long. I think it could've been trimmed down bit more. I'm a fan, so I'll watch the entire thing, but I think some might get bored and jump ship with such a long video, IMO.
You should refuel like tfl does. Specially with diesel and it’s foaming. Let it click wait 30 seconds and fuel again till second click. You’ll get better results
My new 2022 F150 Tremor is on the way and apparently it measures payload..I am sure the King Ranch had it and that would have been so cool to see!
Yup. We did a video on it. Here it is: ua-cam.com/video/q1q5R0E7AGY/v-deo.html
We ordered the onboard scales on our new F150 as well. I’m looking forward to seeing how well it works.
@@cyber_sal It is really easy to use. I just wish the scale had numbers and not just lights. It really isn’t that useful, IMO, when it is just lights.
@@Pickuptrucktalk - thnx Tim. It appears that this feature allows you to see a rough range of pounds/kilos on the “scale mode” that is viewable within the FordPass app. It’s not an exact # of pounds but rather it appears to show your payload is currently at let’s say 1,800 lbs (give or take a 100 lbs). Images are available on the UA-cam video titled ‘2021 Ford F 150 Onboard Scales FordPass B Roll’.
@@cyber_sal interesting. We didn’t try it on the app. Thanks for sharing!
Hey Tim, with respect to the Ford, the 9 and 10 gears are locked out when in tow/haul mode. That’s my experience my dad’s 2021 F-150.
10 speed transmission defines 8,9,10 as overdrive gears and thus are locked out in tow/haul mode
Very good and honest review I’d go Toyota, I know I have a Toyota car currently yet the brake pads have yet to be changed over 90k. Toyota will make up for the initial cost in the long run. They are definitely cars and trucks to keep. A Toyota engineer recently said that twin turbo V6 has been test to go a million miles in real world driving. I’m also constantly reminded of the video how to kill a Toyota. Watch it on UA-cam to be impressed. Sure it was an overseas Hilux yet I believe it shows you what Toyota is capable of.
The 3 liter oil burner from gm seems to be a very impressive engine that doesn't have problems, I work on the service side of a gmc dealership and hate the gas trucks they make except for the 4.3 and the 6.0 because they have a couple really notorious problems that have effected a lot of people.
Jack, any thoughts on the 2021 GMC Canyon 3.6 V6? I have 18,500 miles on mine and it runs like a champ. Any info/thoughts you can share?
@@scotw67 tends to be a great engine, now the rest of the truck has had some problems but nothing major that I can recall
I love my 21 3.0 only issues is once and in a while I have a false start and it’s just cranks? What are you hearing
My question is: what is the trade off of initial cost of the diesel vs the difference in long term fuel economy? How long does it take to realize a savings? Great video, thanks
Varies based on miles. You’ll need a calculator, spreadsheet and the average yearly miles you drive.
Glad to see the video in my home state of Nebraska, I lived on the east side of Nebraska. Thank You for sharing!!
Great videos, just be careful when you decide to get a ram, they don't hold value and when they break they are ridiculous and expensive to fix, but when they run they run nice....all of course IMO
Nice drone shot. How did you manage that?
Honestly, that was pretty damn difficult. The new video editor really wanted more drone footage and I have a drone that "follows me." The highway I shot it on is a state highway and there aren't any restrictions on flying a drone in the area. So, I launched it from the side of the road and had it follow me for just a few minutes then landed and loaded it back in the truck. The problem was I was by myself and nervous the drone would get lost over private property or something. If I did it again, I'd need a two-man team. I do think it turned out pretty well.
Once you hear the filler neck begin to fill up, stop pumping for about 5-10 seconds, then put the pump on the lowest flow setting until it clicks.
My 3.0 duramax is the best engine I’ve had in any 1/2 ton pickup to date…
I own one too and I love it.
Good to know! I always get the 6.2 when it comes down to making the purchase but the duramax seems like a really good and probably smarter option
Coils in back maybe causing the additional sway on ram? The turbos and the diesel don't seem to work as hard as the v8. Nice review...
The truck didn't have coils, as it had the optioned 4 corner air suspension, that requires a different set up process. Trailer was nose high, causing the sway.
Boost ftw. My neighbor upgraded his Ram to a diesel Superduty because itvwas struggling. My trailer is the same size as his and I have no issues towing with my Expedition.
I love my 3.0l duramax (2024) 34mpg on the highway and i can get mid 20s in the city. Its great
Great Video. I like the reliability of Toyota with a decent mpg. Thanks for your input. Talking to my friend that is a diesel mechanic... there are some nightmares with the gov't emissions, glow plugs getting broken off, head gaskets blowning. Maybe you should do a video talking to your local diesel mechanic to prove me wrong?
Every mechanic has an opinion and they are all different.
@@Pickuptrucktalk LOL, True
Ford should make a 5.0 V8 Powerboost. They said it’s designed to work with any engine paired to the 10 speed trans.
I’d get one 100%
Great video, appreciate all the work put into this.
Finely bit the bullet traded off my 2018 GMC SLT now have a 2024 GMC AT4 1500 Diesel.
Damn I put in an order for an AT4 in February and the dealership didn’t tell me they aren’t building until March they just gave me a 5-7 months time frame. Hoping for a good time to get it in
Great job Tim. I really like your videos and how you try to review trucks more like a normal guy/driver. I have a 2019 Ram and I love it. Lately I've been wanting a new Tundra, but something about the Ram and their interior and the Hemi just keep me coming back. So I decided to buy a Corsa exhaust, and intake instead so I can really hear that rumble! Keep it up man
I just bought a exhaust bump valve, best of both worlds. Open to hear it and close to sound factory…..
If you think it only costs around 1K to drop a tranny and replace a timing chain on a 70K truck.
Sad to say you will be very disappointed.
Not to mention body off frame and somehow that no big deal.
I was a mechanic and dropping the transmission on a 2wd is easier then removing everything in front of a normally placed timing belt. It only takes about an hour and a half. 4x4 takes another hour.
@@moonwalker8172 Anyone who buys a 50K+ 2wd truck in any area that gets cold or snow dont need a truck. 2wd truck with no weight in the back is literally worthless in winter. Might as well buy a fwd suv.
In 5 years when you need a timing belt- will society even have mechanics?
Does everything think the eco boost and tundra don’t need timing chains put in them around the same time? My eco boost stretched went into limp mode around 120k because the timing chain stretched so far the cams couldn’t phase enough to keep it running right. It was 4k to replace and they took the body off the frame to do it. This isn’t just a new 3.0 issue for Chevy its something that will happen on the other trucks which is why I’m a big fan of the 6.2
Great information and video as always.
Thank you.
I have to agree with you about having a fun drive with the Ram. I love my 2022 Ram Rebel it's a fun truck to drive and looks awesome inside and out. I must admit I'm a little Rebel at heart. Thanks for the hard work you did in this information video. 🇺🇲🤙🏽
Thanks Tim, great video. What model is that imagine trailer?
Keep them coming!!! Cheers
22BHE iirc.
Definitely had to go pick up a six pack before watching 😂 good stuff 🍻
I towed my side-by-side 2,000 miles with the hybrid Ford and it got 10.3mpg for the entire trip. The weight of everything I was towing was about 4,000lbs. this was going from east to west, so it was overall a rather big change in elevation up. I got the powerboost for the 240v/30amp outlet. Not needing generator in the bed of my truck is a big deal.
i towed my Boat trailer weighted 10000lb total onscale with non hybrid tundra. Avg 8.5 going 65mph
I think there’s been some significant changes in 2022 model’s. I look forward to an update video. This was great buyer info. Thank you. Now, all we need is for the war to end so we can afford to drive them. 🥴
The war isn't and didn't cause the fuel prices to rise...Joe Biden caused that!
It comes down to what you use the truck for. If you use as a daily commuter with occasional towing I would go with the hybrid. Different world with federal mandates going green
I love the videos you put together. I find thim edjucrional. I try hard to listen in ditale. But your words runs tigether fastley. I am happy I can rewind and play thease videos. Thanks agen.
F150 is by far the best truck for towing and especially Rv with the power on board
I had a 2019 Sierra 2500 & now 2021 F-150. I don’t feel confident & comfortable towing with the Ford F-150. It has an amazing powertrain. I love the 3.5 EcoBoost but the truck isn’t stable while towing. I tow around 7500 pounds. I like the GMC better. If I wasn’t having constant transmission problems, I would not get rid of it.
That is the reason Im glad I got a Titan XD. When it comes to stability no other half ton could come close. Mine is a 2016 platinum reserve cummins diesel and weighs well over 7,000lbs so im sure thats why its so much more stable.
Could do a test on the Ram 3.0 eco diesel, GMC 5.3 v8, 6.2 v8 and Ford 5.0 coyote. That would cover rest of popular power trains. Thank so much doing really towing test for normal people. Not everyone going go up the IKE. Keep up great work.
If I could find those trucks from owners I would. The press fleet doesn't have them and dealers don't love me towing with their trucks.
This video helped me with a decision to purchase a 2023 Silverado with the 3.0 diesel. I’ve owned it for two days now and I am genuinely enjoying it so far.
I am a big fan of Toyotas. Previously owning a Tundra, Supra, my wife a Camry, and my daughters drive Corollas. All of them have been super reliable.
I had 2014 Chevy Cruze diesel that I liked for the 48MPG during my times with a long commute, but at 90k miles had transmission issues. My 2013 Camaro SS was flawless and I miss that car.
I spec my cars with mid trim level options with cloth seats but with all the available performance for the model. I am hoping I can own this new Silverado for a minimum of 15 years.
Hi Tim, love your vids - it's great to see this comparison as it really shows real world testing in a relatively controlled environment. One thing of note thoug iam from saudi you did will brother
The longevity of the V8 will always out live these small TwinTurbo motors.
An exhaust break is a quieter alternative to the "Jake Brake" it restricts the flow of exhaust gases creating backflow restricting the ability of the engine to pump air and thus creating negative torque. This is the opposite of the Jake break that forces the engine to return to BDC under vacuum as a mechanism of creating negative torque.
RAM towing with some sway. Wonder if WDH got partially defeated when truck erased most of the squat (and resistance on WD bars) with air suspension returning rear height most of the way to normal. Also looked like trailer was a bit nose up behind the RAM. Maybe needed a different hitch height setting to get the trailer flat and less up in the wind.
Tundra certainly seemed the least phased by uphill towing and decent ride the whole way. And the mpg? Turbo with >10 is a nice surprise.
I have the same question after others brought it up. Apparently Ram has a different setup procedure when you hook up WDH bars. I'd never heard of such a thing and honestly, only had a limited amount of time to tow with it. I basically had one day to cram everything in with the weather and travel. This is part of the reason I want to buy a Ram to spend more time with it.
@@Pickuptrucktalk that's exactly what happened, equal-i-zer or fastway has a video that describes this fairly well. When I tested the ram with 4 corner air suspension I put it on wheel scales so I could see exactly how much WD it had after leveling. Typically to get where you want after it levels you need to set it up at 100% WD to start, meaning front fender is the same height when hooked up and before auto level as it was empty.