I purchased a brand new 07 Tundra SR5 with5.7. I towed a DBH 35 ft TT. No problems towing. Towed it over the rookies, no problems. It has 282k, runs great. Best 34k I ever spent!!
So if I’m understanding this right the non hybrid Tundra got basically 2.5 mpg better than the hybrid F150 preforming the same test? That should open some eyes. Great job Tim showing this information in such a strait forward way.
The hybrid system is only beneficial during stop and go urban driving. When towing at highway speeds, the electric motor is only coming along for the ride. Pretty decent mileage none the less, 50 miles is a bit too short of a trip to get a truly accurate reading though, my experience with towing is that you can get vastly different mileage throughout the day, a small cross wind can have a huge impact on your mileage, especially while towing a camper, due to the large surface areas.
@@stang-rv4pb valid point. Though Toyota claims their hybrid tundra will pull better and more efficiently the the standard engine. Time will tell if that’s actually true.
I am pretty sure that in the Toyota hybrid engines it is using both the electric and the gas at once and then defaults to the hybrid only at speeds lower than 25 mph. That’s why you get increased hp and power because its using both. It also makes it more fuel efficient at all times driving because again its using the electric motor to get some of the power.
@@johnpaulcombs2129, the electric assist would only be available if the battery has enough charge. Likely at full throttle to assist, and at lower speeds for maximum mpg. The battery recharges with regenerative breaking, and down hill driving. If the battery charge is too low, the gasoline engine will need to do all the work, charging the battery while cruising, causing in actual drop in mpg. It really wouldn’t make sense if the electric motor assisted at all times, as it would take more hp to maintain the charge, then what hp the electric motor can provide, as nothing is 100% efficient.
I can get up to 12mpg on my 2020 CM 4x4 Limited towing my 5400lbs dry TT at about 55-60 mph on pretty flat ground. I usually plan on getting 10 mpg towing the camper. Those numbers are much better than I expected. Great video, Tim. Thanks!
Pretty decent mileage for sure, I wouldn’t expect much better with the hybrid, as the electric motor assist is only available at lower speeds, so highway mileage would likely be very similar.
We aren't sure how the new Tundra hybrid is but when you get a hybrid version of any Toyota it usually comes with more aerodynamic pieces here and there vs the gas counterpart. But we won't know yet till then.
Nice job Tim. While I hope my 21 lasts a few more years I’d have no problem getting a 22 based on what you’ve provided in your videos. Keep up the good job!!
Love modern Boost; less shifting due to the low-end torque as I experience in my GMC Elevation 2.7L t. Towing Trailer & Payload 6040lbs. No issues almost no auto downshifting. And on the norm 10.2 to 10.5 mpg's @ 62.64 MPH.
Nice. I have a 5.7 2018 and i pull a 20ft travel trailer in Alberta and i get 10 to 13 mpg 99% of the time depending on head winds and rocky mountains.
@@duncanpage1556 nice. I would not call 4,200lb ultra light. Lol. Check out Alto trailers by Safari Condo (made in Quebec). They are ultra light. 21 ft trailer only 2,400lb
Love my 2022 tundra. I leased it but now I wish I bought it. I get 24mpg on hwy and I love how fast it is. My 2021 trd pro tundra got 11.6 mpg no matter what and was slow af. Also I don’t notice any difference in turn radius.
People have to drop the 'I need a good old fashioned V8' attitude. And I don't need that 'V8 growl' - it's fun going to the drive in but on a highway trip of hundreds of miles, who needs it? A turbo v6 on the highway is a pleasure. Nice and QUIET.
@@townhall05446 Your still saying this regardless of the massive recalls? Pathetic. Some people just want reliability over everything and the 22 tundra compared to the 21 tundra doesn't even compare to the reliability
I'm getting about the same with my Limited off road. My friends, who own Ford and GMC trucks can't believe my gas mileage. I tell them to watch the videos.
I filled up my 2023 Capstone yesterday evening, having driven in tow/haul mode the entire tank of gasoline. I averaged 11.6 mpg in mixed driving conditions and never a trailer attached.
You have a leveling kit installed right? Was the little sag you had due to that? Debating on getting level kit installed on my 22’ but don’t want sag when towing.
Hey Tim, do you have any issues towing with the regular mirrors? I would like tow mirrors but my dealership won't put them on. If I'm towing my camper, are the regular mirrors good enough or am I going to have to figure out a way to get tow mirrors?
Just found this video. I have a 2011 tundra RW that i pull a 4 winds 25' 5th wheel with. When you mentioned the wild cat hills it got my attention. Then when you showed the hills i knew exactly where you was at lol. I'm in N.P and travel your way quite a bit. Great video btw
Thanks for the video - Curious how were those mirrors for towing on the limited? In Canada we have to buy Platinum or 1794 to actually get tow mirrors. Yea we have no options.
Hola Tim...another great video. Question: How much is hitch weight of your trailer??? Is because we will like travel trailer Vibe26RK but the specs call for a hitch weight of 940lbs and I dont know if 940lbs is too much VS 2022 Tundra typical payload of 1400lbs....
I am loving the new Tundra's. I have a 2nd Gen 2020 Limited and I love that with the V8. But I am highly considering in getting the 3rd Gen in a few years after I retire. I was hoping for better mpg's though. How much better is the hybrid? If I get the 3rd Gen, I would most likely get the I-Force Max. Great video and review though. Glad that bare bones Tundra can pull 6000lbs easily. I will prob never pull more than 10,000lbs, so this truck would be perfect.
The system automatically guesses at the length of the trailer and does it on its own as long as you make sure the BSM is selected inside the driver's menu.
Ok. I have a 2015 tundra crewmax 4x4. I also have the exact Grand Design travel trailer as well and here’s my info with the V8 5.7. I was out this weekend with the camper and was getting 8.3 mpg and with lots of hills. I was in tow haul mode and cruise control was on. However I noticed that when going up a very steep hill the engine would hit 3000 rpm and that didn’t work so it down shifted and the rpms jump way up but then the tow haul mode got shut off automatically. Im thinking that it doesn’t like being in tow haul mode and cruise control running at the same time with very steep hills. What are your thoughts on this?
No reason you can't use tow/haul with cruise control. Nothing wrong with your truck, it is really just showing the differences between that engine/transmission combo and the new one. The new one has more gears, more HP and torque and better towing tech with 2 different tow haul modes.
@@xk302a I think the manual actually says to use S4. I can use S5 in florida because it is flat but if it's hilly, I would be in S4 to avoid gear hunting and heating up the transmission.
@@xk302a Actually, I was just reading the manual this morning and it still says the same thing. I doubt most people follow that advice. First time I’ve seen it to be honest.
My 08 Tundra tows my 31ft camper (9,500lbs) well but stopping is a problem . I go though brake rotors and pads twice a year. Do you have any data on the new tundra , are the brakes any better as I am tempted to upgrade to the new generation .
I'll give you the synopsis - the 5.7L V8 will rev higher and return worse fuel economy plus it won't pull as smoothly. That's just the way the 6 speed worked with that engine and the thirsty V8 with the less HP and torque.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thanks for the info. If you do make this video, I will give you a thumbs up and a like! LOL It’s more for my friends to make them stfu.. :) I have a platinum tundra 2022 on order.
Tim A couple of things. First I noticed in this video that the oil pressure appeared to be pretty low. Did I see that correctly? Second I have a 2022 SR5 Tundra coming in April and I am getting skittish like like a cat on a hot tin roof. Are the turbo concerns as concerning as I am reading?
Toyota used a real pressure gauge and not a "dummy gauge" (or light). My old T-100 you can watch the oil pressure change from low at warm idle, to really high when I first start it up and get driving. Whereas my Ford and other brands just sit right in the middle no matter what the condition, as long as it's within set parameters. I prefer the real gauge in the Toyota.
The oil pressure gauge was set to be on the low side on purpose. IIRC, I mentioned that in one of the videos. No concern there. The turbo wastegate issue is still a really low percentage issue on some trucks. It is such a small issue, Toyota won't publicly comment, but sources tell me they have fixed all the trucks with the issue. I'm hearing less and less about it these days.
Max torque on that engine is 2400 RPM. The max torque on the V8 was around 4000 RPM. Some people mistakenly think that the V8 turns lower RPM when towing. At a 50 mile test the margin for error is greater with the pump. The gauge on the truck is probably more accurate.
Max torque is at 1600 rpm in the Land Cruiser. Not sure why the higher peak in the tundra. My guess is that it really peaks orvery neat peak at about 1500 like the other v35a models.
@@dude-yg9ez no. That's the V35A gas turbo. In the Lexus models it peaks at 600nm (442 ft lbs) at 1600 RPMs. In the Land Cruiser and tundra is tuned differently and it still hits 440 ft lbs at 1600 rpm, but peaks at 2000 RPMs at 477 in the LC and 479 in the tundra officially. At 1500 RPMs the new tundra makes more than twice as much power as the v8 model. If you do the math with the drive train the new tundra has 36% more torque at the wheels at 1600 RPMs than the 5.7 tundra has at 4,000. It's a LOT more powerful at low RPMs. And that's not the hybrid! Hybrid is 65% more than the 5.7.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I have never been stuck in mud or sand towing. I just wondered if the weight of the fifth wheel would help or hinder the unsticking with chains.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I just watched some RV's getting stuck on UA-cam. It all depends on your skill at being stuck. Have a great night.. Love your channel.
Interesting video. It’s not surprising that the 3.5 turbo tows as well. The Ford Ecoboost has been a good tow engine for years. The higher torque and horsepower of the twin turbo definitely compensates for the smaller displacement. BTW, where in Nebraska are you located?
You really need to redo this towing test now at 65 and compare mileage. There’s a world of difference in drag between 55 and 65 pulling these trailers. My 20 year old GMC with the gas guzzling 6.0 gets 10+ mpg at 55 pulling my Grand Design 23BHE. I usually pull at 63 mph and get 8.5-9mpg reliably.
As you do your videos of performance and such you should compare them to the videos you did of the Ford being that they're basically The identical same drivetrain to see if there's any difference to them.
What is the fascination with truck squat when hooking up a trailer? Your adding around 500 lbs to the truck. That’s about 40% of the available payload and most of it’s on the rear axle. I don’t remember the numbers for the gmc or ford, but there’s a pretty small difference between the Toyota & Ram, yet you seem to put a lot of emphasis on the amount they squat. So ford & gmc squatted 1.5” ( with wd hitch on the gmc) and that was “typical”, but ram squatted 2” (w/o wd hitch) before airing up and tundra squatted 1.5” (w/o wd hitch)but their squat was “quite a bit”. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
Looked at the Gas Pump at the beginning of the vid, 85 Octane is a choice? Never heard of 85 Octane. 87 is the min in most of the south, especially in Florida.
Hello Tim, Good Video, I j purchased 2022 Tundra couple weeks ago. . I trade in my 2018 4Runner. I need better towing for my 26 feet camper. I am ready for 1300 miles trip each way this July. Thank for the tip.
I'll bet the hybrid version would be really great for towing, because on those long upgrades that massacre your mpg's, but the hybrid would toss some electric motor power into the deal and likely save your mpg's from going down the drain. On the next downgrade the battery charges again... and so on. When I towed a lot of trailers last summer, it was the upgrades that wrecked my mpg's.
I purchase the last of the 2021’s w/ 5.7 V 8. It is a pretty basic SR 5 4 wheel drive w/ 38 gallon tank. I’ve only got 5.0k on it but my average around town has been 13 or 14 with the big city 10% ethanol. I put non ethanol in it in OKC, it is available, and got 17.5 on my return to Dallas. That ethanol in the gas knocks me dow at least 1 or 2 mpg. I wish we could get the non ethanol in the bigger cities but somehow it is more environmentally friendly but with the reduced fuel economy- I don’t understand. Maybe if I lived in the DC area where there is a lack of oxygen my brain could make sense of it.
@@Pickuptrucktalk you better go look at CR and get your facts straight again Tim.. the Ram is now 4 years old and the tundra 1 and so many issues already with it and you say the tundra will last longer..give your head a shake or get off the booze 😉 🤔
Just towed my camper with dry weight of 5176lbs. With a 1.75" level kit. It squated soooo bad and I used a wdh. Pulled with my 22 Tundra SR5. Had full tank in truck and an extra 400 lbs in people weight and generator weight of 120#. I had so much squat. Squatted 2". Any suggestions?
That's about right for squat. The truck empty squatted nearly 1.5" without any load in the bed. You can see it on this comparison video at the 51 minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/D7E0xA8SFYY/v-deo.html. Actually, all the trucks squatted about the same. If you want less squat, you'll have to go aftermarket with air bags.
@@Pickuptrucktalk it squatted way more than 1.5", more like 3. Im comparing to to the front of the truck since im looking for a lever truck and trailer. Btw, I was towing my Imagine xls 22mle
@@jasonbruney8842 My guess is the generator is not helping you in the bed. You really have two choices: move cargo as best you can to be more level OR purchase airbags.
Still rather the legendary tried and true bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 engine that I could affix a supercharger or twin turbo, harvesting 550hp/550lb.ft. of torque or 1500hp/1200lb.ft. of torque, respectively.
Adding an aftermarket system to an engine developed for natural aspiration will largely negate any of the tried and true'ness or bulletproofness of the 5.7. People may call some OEM engines unreliable, but even the worst offenders will still be 10x more reliable than anything slapped together by a garage mechanic.
@@ALMX5DP Toyota real reason why they discontinued the trd supercharger was reliably issues with the 5.7. It started cracking the blocks long term. All this was kept quiet of course. Naturally its bullet proof
The sound produced is kind of crazy to think about. I believe OSHA's code for sound is anything over 75 decibels for long periods of time requires hearing protection. So...... lol.
@Dallen Helmer I'm an ES guy and know tons of OSHA qualified personal. In Factories and other settings it's 75. Maybe it 90 for vehicles... idk lol. But in the settings I work in its 75.
@@MrChip9821 why a "world of difference?" The part of the video I cut out was doing the drone fly over shots. I did that on a separate trip and drove 70 on the way back home once the filming was over. It wasn't a big difference.I just prefer to show the safer speed of 55 on camera.
@@Pickuptrucktalk just in my experience when I had gas trucks, my 96 Ram could pull my RV at 55 no problem, but really struggled to maintain 70. Similar experience with a 2016 Ram and 2018 Chevy with 6.2, although better than the '96. Milage was down around 8 or less depending on the wind. At 55 the engines seem way more relaxed than at 70. I was in a Ecoboost once and noticed the engine wasn't as revved up with the turbo engine vs the naturally aspirated engines, so that is the way to go with a gas engine it seems. I have a diesel pulling the RV now and it's really nice 1700 rpm at 70, feels way more 😎 .
@@MrChip9821 I think the big change is two fold - more multi-speed transmissions and more powerful engines especially with gas engines. Gas engines with turbos really don't suffer any significant changes like you would have noticed back in 1996 when increasing speeds. I didn't notice at a change in 2015 with the EcoBoost not towing nearly as well as it does now. The thing to keep in mind is the half-ton gas towing experience, capability and HP and torque output is better than a 2000s era 1-ton truck. These new trucks have come a long way. I didn't mean to come off snarky or dismissive of your comment. There really isn't much difference between 55 and 70. I just prefer to show 55 on camera because I believe it is safer for most drivers.
At 1000 feet, engine looses roughly 3% efficiency or power. At 4000 feet elevation, engine has lost 12% power. Of course, loss in power will also result in compromising fuel efficiency. Engine & transmission are both compromised significantly if altitude is above 7000 feet. Any vehicle will turbos will loose more efficiency compared to naturally aspirated engines in higher altitudes.
Man the more I look at that instrument panel the more I hate this truck and I feel like the overall quality of it is extremely cheap looking for a limited. Thanks for the info on towing and fuel economy I appreciate you guys who take the time to put out content like this.
Do yourself a favor and add a transmission cooler if you plan on towing with the new pseudo Tundra. While you at it, add some tow hooks and a rear step. lol
I seen one of these new Toyota Tundras in the wild for the first time yesterday. I never thought anyone could beat Chevy for an uglier pickup. Toyota has outdone Chevy.
Just give me a truck with comfortable seating, a proportional brake controller and a reliable V8, optitonal 4x4 and I'm happy. Keep all the bells and whistles,( Just more stuff to break).
So no trans temp readout or current gear readout? Dealbreakers. Not a serious tow vehicle. I love that the tundra is built in SAT. But come on, toyota, get someone in there who tows for a living to advise you. You have hotshots all around you, lets GO!
Sorry Tim I posted this to the Ram video but it it more appropriate here as I know you are tracking any problems with the 2022 Tundra ua-cam.com/video/iQKRYB9vdw0/v-deo.html
I purchased a brand new 07 Tundra SR5 with5.7. I towed a DBH 35 ft TT. No problems towing. Towed it over the rookies, no problems. It has 282k, runs great. Best 34k I ever spent!!
These new ones are trash tho
A 35ft TT? You were way over the ratings for that truck.
2008 tundra with 150k miles towed twice from coast to coast --no issues
@@calebniederhofer6529 how?
It's rated at 10k towing.
@@kayer32 Wait till 2023.
So if I’m understanding this right the non hybrid Tundra got basically 2.5 mpg better than the hybrid F150 preforming the same test? That should open some eyes. Great job Tim showing this information in such a strait forward way.
The hybrid system is only beneficial during stop and go urban driving. When towing at highway speeds, the electric motor is only coming along for the ride. Pretty decent mileage none the less, 50 miles is a bit too short of a trip to get a truly accurate reading though, my experience with towing is that you can get vastly different mileage throughout the day, a small cross wind can have a huge impact on your mileage, especially while towing a camper, due to the large surface areas.
@@stang-rv4pb valid point. Though Toyota claims their hybrid tundra will pull better and more efficiently the the standard engine. Time will tell if that’s actually true.
The hybrid should perform better while towing IF towing through an urban area, with stop and go driving.
I am pretty sure that in the Toyota hybrid engines it is using both the electric and the gas at once and then defaults to the hybrid only at speeds lower than 25 mph. That’s why you get increased hp and power because its using both. It also makes it more fuel efficient at all times driving because again its using the electric motor to get some of the power.
@@johnpaulcombs2129, the electric assist would only be available if the battery has enough charge. Likely at full throttle to assist, and at lower speeds for maximum mpg. The battery recharges with regenerative breaking, and down hill driving. If the battery charge is too low, the gasoline engine will need to do all the work, charging the battery while cruising, causing in actual drop in mpg. It really wouldn’t make sense if the electric motor assisted at all times, as it would take more hp to maintain the charge, then what hp the electric motor can provide, as nothing is 100% efficient.
I can get up to 12mpg on my 2020 CM 4x4 Limited towing my 5400lbs dry TT at about 55-60 mph on pretty flat ground. I usually plan on getting 10 mpg towing the camper.
Those numbers are much better than I expected. Great video, Tim. Thanks!
Pretty decent mileage for sure, I wouldn’t expect much better with the hybrid, as the electric motor assist is only available at lower speeds, so highway mileage would likely be very similar.
We aren't sure how the new Tundra hybrid is but when you get a hybrid version of any Toyota it usually comes with more aerodynamic pieces here and there vs the gas counterpart. But we won't know yet till then.
Would be nice to pull a nice 9-10K lb. trailer and see how the upgrader tow components deliver.
Thank you for the towing setup information.
The more videos I watch I love my decision to buy this truck.
So ready to see the Hybrid max Tundra run through all the same tests.
I keep asking for one. Can’t seem to get one.
Nice job Tim. While I hope my 21 lasts a few more years I’d have no problem getting a 22 based on what you’ve provided in your videos. Keep up the good job!!
Love modern Boost; less shifting due to the low-end torque as I experience in my GMC Elevation 2.7L t. Towing Trailer & Payload 6040lbs. No issues almost no auto downshifting. And on the norm 10.2 to 10.5 mpg's @ 62.64 MPH.
Nice. I have a 5.7 2018 and i pull a 20ft travel trailer in Alberta and i get 10 to 13 mpg 99% of the time depending on head winds and rocky mountains.
At what speed?
@@albertatundra 105 kmph or 63 mph
I believe this one is close to 27ft trailer and probably double the weight...
@@MrPchubare Yes, mine is ultra light 4200lbs and only 20 ft but looks the same lol.
@@duncanpage1556 nice. I would not call 4,200lb ultra light. Lol.
Check out Alto trailers by Safari Condo (made in Quebec). They are ultra light. 21 ft trailer only 2,400lb
Great Tundra content I’ll be waiting for more.
Love my 2022 tundra. I leased it but now I wish I bought it. I get 24mpg on hwy and I love how fast it is. My 2021 trd pro tundra got 11.6 mpg no matter what and was slow af. Also I don’t notice any difference in turn radius.
People have to drop the 'I need a good old fashioned V8' attitude. And I don't need that 'V8 growl' - it's fun going to the drive in but on a highway trip of hundreds of miles, who needs it? A turbo v6 on the highway is a pleasure. Nice and QUIET.
@@townhall05446 Your still saying this regardless of the massive recalls? Pathetic. Some people just want reliability over everything and the 22 tundra compared to the 21 tundra doesn't even compare to the reliability
I'm getting about the same with my Limited off road.
My friends, who own Ford and GMC trucks can't believe my gas mileage.
I tell them to watch the videos.
I filled up my 2023 Capstone yesterday evening, having driven in tow/haul mode the entire tank of gasoline. I averaged 11.6 mpg in mixed driving conditions and never a trailer attached.
You have a leveling kit installed right? Was the little sag you had due to that?
Debating on getting level kit installed on my 22’ but don’t want sag when towing.
No. The level kit was done AFTER this towing demonstration.
@@Pickuptrucktalk ahhh ok, so do you think I would have any issues with a simple leveling kit, if growing a small/medium camper?
Hey Tim, do you have any issues towing with the regular mirrors? I would like tow mirrors but my dealership won't put them on. If I'm towing my camper, are the regular mirrors good enough or am I going to have to figure out a way to get tow mirrors?
So I’m I understanding correctly that you can’t see transmission temp at all with this package?
Nope.
Just found this video. I have a 2011 tundra RW that i pull a 4 winds 25' 5th wheel with. When you mentioned the wild cat hills it got my attention. Then when you showed the hills i knew exactly where you was at lol. I'm in N.P and travel your way quite a bit. Great video btw
Thanks for the video - Curious how were those mirrors for towing on the limited? In Canada we have to buy Platinum or 1794 to actually get tow mirrors. Yea we have no options.
They are good towing mirrors. I've driven other Tundra trucks with the mirrors.
Hola Tim...another great video. Question: How much is hitch weight of your trailer??? Is because we will like travel trailer Vibe26RK but the specs call for a hitch weight of 940lbs and I dont know if 940lbs is too much VS 2022 Tundra typical payload of 1400lbs....
Trailer hitch weight is 460 lbs or 10% of the dry weight per the manufacturer.
What trailer was that and weight?
Does the trailer backup function work only when you back up in a straight line or does it work when you are backing into a campsite?
Straight line IIRC.
Let’s go!
I am loving the new Tundra's. I have a 2nd Gen 2020 Limited and I love that with the V8. But I am highly considering in getting the 3rd Gen in a few years after I retire. I was hoping for better mpg's though. How much better is the hybrid? If I get the 3rd Gen, I would most likely get the I-Force Max. Great video and review though. Glad that bare bones Tundra can pull 6000lbs easily. I will prob never pull more than 10,000lbs, so this truck would be perfect.
Great video with a good average trailer
Does it have augmented sound through the speakers and if so, can you turn it off?.
Yes and last time I checked only through a dealer can you turn it off.
How did your Blind Spot Monitor work with the Trailer? Mine works fine for the truck but does not extend the length of the trailer.
The system automatically guesses at the length of the trailer and does it on its own as long as you make sure the BSM is selected inside the driver's menu.
@@Pickuptrucktalk Yes, system tells me Trailer BSM is active but it does not alert length of trailer. Service engineers not yet able to resolve.
no oil temp or transmission temp gauge ?
Have to have digital cluster.
Tim, how does the year selection/lockout features? I'm familiar with Ford's, but may go Toyota on my next truck.
It is similar to Ford’s pull back style on the console.
Ok. I have a 2015 tundra crewmax 4x4. I also have the exact Grand Design travel trailer as well and here’s my info with the V8 5.7. I was out this weekend with the camper and was getting 8.3 mpg and with lots of hills. I was in tow haul mode and cruise control was on. However I noticed that when going up a very steep hill the engine would hit 3000 rpm and that didn’t work so it down shifted and the rpms jump way up but then the tow haul mode got shut off automatically. Im thinking that it doesn’t like being in tow haul mode and cruise control running at the same time with very steep hills. What are your thoughts on this?
@@xk302a Hi 👋. I was going 55-60 mph. I really don’t like going any faster then that. My comfort zone is 55-60.
No reason you can't use tow/haul with cruise control. Nothing wrong with your truck, it is really just showing the differences between that engine/transmission combo and the new one. The new one has more gears, more HP and torque and better towing tech with 2 different tow haul modes.
@@xk302a I think the manual actually says to use S4. I can use S5 in florida because it is flat but if it's hilly, I would be in S4 to avoid gear hunting and heating up the transmission.
@@xk302a Actually, I was just reading the manual this morning and it still says the same thing. I doubt most people follow that advice. First time I’ve seen it to be honest.
@@xk302a I was using cruise control and I shouldn’t be as it seems.
I’m looking into getting a B&W hitch and ball, any recommendations for the 2022 Tundra? Size etc…just hauling 2 jet skis.
My 08 Tundra tows my 31ft camper (9,500lbs) well but stopping is a problem . I go though brake rotors and pads twice a year. Do you have any data on the new tundra , are the brakes any better as I am tempted to upgrade to the new generation .
Huh. Good question. I don't have any updates on brakes. They didn't make it a talking point, so I'm going to assume it hasn't changed much.
The tranny should help slow down the vehicle especially in tow + mode I would think
9500 lbs is gonna need a 2500
Tim, please do a comparable towing test between previous 5.7L Tundra and the new one!
I'll give you the synopsis - the 5.7L V8 will rev higher and return worse fuel economy plus it won't pull as smoothly. That's just the way the 6 speed worked with that engine and the thirsty V8 with the less HP and torque.
@@Pickuptrucktalk thanks for the info.
If you do make this video, I will give you a thumbs up and a like! LOL
It’s more for my friends to make them stfu.. :)
I have a platinum tundra 2022 on order.
Do you have the simulated engine sound off?
Nope.
i have a 2019 crewmax, i don't know if i should trade it in for the 22. i really need everyone help on this. should i keep my 19 or trade for a 22
Hi Tim how was the side mirrors for towing visibility ?
They were fine for me. Good shape to them allowed me to see more. Towing mirrors would be preferred if you do tow a lot.
If they offered the both 3.6 and the 5.7 in the new generation tundra, which one would you go with
Impossible question. The 2022 vs prior gen is way more than just about the engine.
Is this the heaviest trailer pulled by the new Tundra for a video? I’d love to see something closer to the max weight allowed.
I pulled the same trailer for 4 different trucks. Sorry, no max towing. Had to keep things consistent.
Wouldn't a weight distribution hitch decrease that squat, on my truck it cuts it in half.
It helps by an inch in all the towing I’ve done.
Tim
A couple of things. First I noticed in this video that the oil pressure appeared to be pretty low. Did I see that correctly?
Second I have a 2022 SR5 Tundra coming in April and I am getting skittish like like a cat on a hot tin roof. Are the turbo concerns as concerning as I am reading?
I know I seen that as well!!!
Toyota used a real pressure gauge and not a "dummy gauge" (or light). My old T-100 you can watch the oil pressure change from low at warm idle, to really high when I first start it up and get driving. Whereas my Ford and other brands just sit right in the middle no matter what the condition, as long as it's within set parameters. I prefer the real gauge in the Toyota.
The oil pressure gauge was set to be on the low side on purpose. IIRC, I mentioned that in one of the videos. No concern there.
The turbo wastegate issue is still a really low percentage issue on some trucks. It is such a small issue, Toyota won't publicly comment, but sources tell me they have fixed all the trucks with the issue. I'm hearing less and less about it these days.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I hope not!! There will be nothing to bash anymore…..
Max torque on that engine is 2400 RPM. The max torque on the V8 was around 4000 RPM. Some people mistakenly think that the V8 turns lower RPM when towing. At a 50 mile test the margin for error is greater with the pump. The gauge on the truck is probably more accurate.
Max torque is at 1600 rpm in the Land Cruiser. Not sure why the higher peak in the tundra. My guess is that it really peaks orvery neat peak at about 1500 like the other v35a models.
@@MrJcjet that's definitely the diesel
@@dude-yg9ez no. That's the V35A gas turbo. In the Lexus models it peaks at 600nm (442 ft lbs) at 1600 RPMs. In the Land Cruiser and tundra is tuned differently and it still hits 440 ft lbs at 1600 rpm, but peaks at 2000 RPMs at 477 in the LC and 479 in the tundra officially.
At 1500 RPMs the new tundra makes more than twice as much power as the v8 model. If you do the math with the drive train the new tundra has 36% more torque at the wheels at 1600 RPMs than the 5.7 tundra has at 4,000. It's a LOT more powerful at low RPMs.
And that's not the hybrid! Hybrid is 65% more than the 5.7.
@@MrJcjet I'm not sure then either. On the wiki page for v35a-fts it say 2000-3600rpm for peak torque for Landcruiser and LX600 vs 2400rpm for tundra
@@dude-yg9ez No, Turbos makes all the difference. My 2.7 f150 hits 80% of Peale torque at 2400 compared to 4k on a N/A V8.
4x4 vs 2x2 towing. Can I just add chains when stuck towing RV?
You could add chains, but it just depends on what kind of stuck you mean. Every stuck situation requires a different tactic for getting out.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I have never been stuck in mud or sand towing. I just wondered if the weight of the fifth wheel would help or hinder the unsticking with chains.
@@Rottingboards likely hurt. Interesting question.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I just watched some RV's getting stuck on UA-cam. It all depends on your skill at being stuck. Have a great night.. Love your channel.
How do you find the rear vision with the stock mirrors towing your 8 foot wide trailer with the tundra?
They are ok. Nice that they are a bit larger than what I would consider normal. If I towed a lot, I'd do towing mirrors for sure.
What about your transmission fluid temperature?
Pretty good info
Interesting video. It’s not surprising that the 3.5 turbo tows as well. The Ford Ecoboost has been a good tow engine for years. The higher torque and horsepower of the twin turbo definitely compensates for the smaller displacement. BTW, where in Nebraska are you located?
Scottsbluff Area. This was filmed over the wild cat hills.
@@Pickuptrucktalk ok, I’m in NE Colorado. Sterling Area. Not that far from you.
You really need to redo this towing test now at 65 and compare mileage. There’s a world of difference in drag between 55 and 65 pulling these trailers. My 20 year old GMC with the gas guzzling 6.0 gets 10+ mpg at 55 pulling my Grand Design 23BHE. I usually pull at 63 mph and get 8.5-9mpg reliably.
all gasers get about the same mileage when towing v6 to v8s its right around 8-10 its the wall none can really get past that in real world testing.
Did this have the air suspension ?
As you do your videos of performance and such you should compare them to the videos you did of the Ford being that they're basically The identical same drivetrain to see if there's any difference to them.
Thanks. I've done that a few times.
What is the fascination with truck squat when hooking up a trailer? Your adding around 500 lbs to the truck. That’s about 40% of the available payload and most of it’s on the rear axle. I don’t remember the numbers for the gmc or ford, but there’s a pretty small difference between the Toyota & Ram, yet you seem to put a lot of emphasis on the amount they squat.
So ford & gmc squatted 1.5” ( with wd hitch on the gmc) and that was “typical”, but ram squatted 2” (w/o wd hitch) before airing up and tundra squatted 1.5” (w/o wd hitch)but their squat was “quite a bit”. 🤷♂️🤷♂️🤷♂️
“Fascination” by simply checking the amount of squat? 🤔
How much did the camper weight ?
6,00 lbs.
Looked at the Gas Pump at the beginning of the vid, 85 Octane is a choice? Never heard of 85 Octane. 87 is the min in most of the south, especially in Florida.
At altitude you’ll find a lot different octanes.
Hello Tim, Good Video, I j purchased 2022 Tundra couple weeks ago. . I trade in my 2018 4Runner. I need better towing for my 26 feet camper. I am ready for 1300 miles trip each way this July. Thank for the tip.
I'll bet the hybrid version would be really great for towing, because on those long upgrades that massacre your mpg's, but the hybrid would toss some electric motor power into the deal and likely save your mpg's from going down the drain. On the next downgrade the battery charges again... and so on. When I towed a lot of trailers last summer, it was the upgrades that wrecked my mpg's.
The "hybrid" will not kick in while towing.
I will wait and see how this new generation truck is reliable.
I purchase the last of the 2021’s w/ 5.7 V 8. It is a pretty basic SR 5 4 wheel drive w/ 38 gallon tank. I’ve only got 5.0k on it but my average around town has been 13 or 14 with the big city 10% ethanol. I put non ethanol in it in OKC, it is available, and got 17.5 on my return to Dallas. That ethanol in the gas knocks me dow at least 1 or 2 mpg. I wish we could get the non ethanol in the bigger cities but somehow it is more environmentally friendly but with the reduced fuel economy- I don’t understand. Maybe if I lived in the DC area where there is a lack of oxygen my brain could make sense of it.
Great millage. However, what I was most impressed is the gas price, over $2.0 cheaper than where I am.
This was filmed in February.
At 9:10 in the video it sounds like he got into the bumper doing the u-turn
Nope.
Tim what truck would you rather own long term 22 Tundra or 22 Ram1500GT?
Prefer the Ram, the Tundra will likely last longer though with less problems based on statistical data from prior generations.
@@Pickuptrucktalk you better go look at CR and get your facts straight again Tim.. the Ram is now 4 years old and the tundra 1 and so many issues already with it and you say the tundra will last longer..give your head a shake or get off the booze 😉 🤔
@@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS You missed the "statistically" part of my answer.
@@RAM-KINGOFTRUCKS lol, keep telling yourself that bro. I'm surprised anyone will dispute the reliability track record of Toyota.
@@osmandius He's using CR as his "fact check", what do you expect?
Just towed my camper with dry weight of 5176lbs. With a 1.75" level kit. It squated soooo bad and I used a wdh. Pulled with my 22 Tundra SR5. Had full tank in truck and an extra 400 lbs in people weight and generator weight of 120#. I had so much squat. Squatted 2". Any suggestions?
That's about right for squat. The truck empty squatted nearly 1.5" without any load in the bed. You can see it on this comparison video at the 51 minute mark: ua-cam.com/video/D7E0xA8SFYY/v-deo.html.
Actually, all the trucks squatted about the same.
If you want less squat, you'll have to go aftermarket with air bags.
@@Pickuptrucktalk it squatted way more than 1.5", more like 3. Im comparing to to the front of the truck since im looking for a lever truck and trailer. Btw, I was towing my Imagine xls 22mle
Level
@@jasonbruney8842 My guess is the generator is not helping you in the bed.
You really have two choices: move cargo as best you can to be more level OR purchase airbags.
@@Pickuptrucktalk I stood on the rear bumper and hardly dropped at all.
Toyota, simply the BEST
Why is the oil pressure so low?
Just how the gauge is set. Nothing wrong with the truck.
A real mountain pass would be a good test..
The 1400 lb payload isn't a lot and that will be reduced further with the hybrid due to al the extra weight of the batteries and motor
What’s the trailer gain for ?
For setting how much the trailer brakes help you when towing.
I guess I missed how much tongue weight caused the truck to lower 1.5"
In this stupid crazy world where you have to pay MSRP for trucks. It might be best to go with a GMC Duramx AT4 2500 HD for $78K.
Mpg at 80?
$3.25 a gallon? it’s $5.50-7.00 here in los angeles. great video.
This was filmed in February.
good work
Wow that pump had 85 octane. I've never seen that before. Who uses that?
Most people use it in my area.
Can we get a tour of the camper?
I don't have access to this camper anymore.
Your speed limit is 70 you're below minimum speed cruising at 55. I wanna know how it tows at 70 to 80 mph.
Minimum speed cruising?
Still rather the legendary tried and true bulletproof naturally aspirated 5.7 liter V-8 engine that I could affix a supercharger or twin turbo, harvesting 550hp/550lb.ft. of torque or 1500hp/1200lb.ft. of torque, respectively.
What would the mpg be on that?
Adding an aftermarket system to an engine developed for natural aspiration will largely negate any of the tried and true'ness or bulletproofness of the 5.7. People may call some OEM engines unreliable, but even the worst offenders will still be 10x more reliable than anything slapped together by a garage mechanic.
@@ALMX5DP Toyota real reason why they discontinued the trd supercharger was reliably issues with the 5.7. It started cracking the blocks long term. All this was kept quiet of course. Naturally its bullet proof
Tim, what happened with the Tundra? The suspense is killing me 😄
What do you mean?
The sound produced is kind of crazy to think about. I believe OSHA's code for sound is anything over 75 decibels for long periods of time requires hearing protection. So...... lol.
it's 90.. not 75
@Dallen Helmer I'm an ES guy and know tons of OSHA qualified personal. In Factories and other settings it's 75. Maybe it 90 for vehicles... idk lol. But in the settings I work in its 75.
I would have liked to seen a test at about 70 mph, not too many of us want to go 55 traveling down an interstate highway.
Ok, subtract about 1-2 mpg and you got towing at 70.
@@Pickuptrucktalk lol, well it's not that easy, like one of the other guys said, there a world of difference from 55 to 70 pulling an RV.
@@MrChip9821 why a "world of difference?" The part of the video I cut out was doing the drone fly over shots. I did that on a separate trip and drove 70 on the way back home once the filming was over. It wasn't a big difference.I just prefer to show the safer speed of 55 on camera.
@@Pickuptrucktalk just in my experience when I had gas trucks, my 96 Ram could pull my RV at 55 no problem, but really struggled to maintain 70. Similar experience with a 2016 Ram and 2018 Chevy with 6.2, although better than the '96. Milage was down around 8 or less depending on the wind. At 55 the engines seem way more relaxed than at 70. I was in a Ecoboost once and noticed the engine wasn't as revved up with the turbo engine vs the naturally aspirated engines, so that is the way to go with a gas engine it seems. I have a diesel pulling the RV now and it's really nice 1700 rpm at 70, feels way more 😎 .
@@MrChip9821 I think the big change is two fold - more multi-speed transmissions and more powerful engines especially with gas engines. Gas engines with turbos really don't suffer any significant changes like you would have noticed back in 1996 when increasing speeds. I didn't notice at a change in 2015 with the EcoBoost not towing nearly as well as it does now.
The thing to keep in mind is the half-ton gas towing experience, capability and HP and torque output is better than a 2000s era 1-ton truck. These new trucks have come a long way.
I didn't mean to come off snarky or dismissive of your comment. There really isn't much difference between 55 and 70. I just prefer to show 55 on camera because I believe it is safer for most drivers.
2022 tundra turns tighter than a 22 Tacoma.
At 1000 feet, engine looses roughly 3% efficiency or power. At 4000 feet elevation, engine has lost 12% power. Of course, loss in power will also result in compromising fuel efficiency. Engine & transmission are both compromised significantly if altitude is above 7000 feet. Any vehicle will turbos will loose more efficiency compared to naturally aspirated engines in higher altitudes.
and gmc at4 with 3.0 diesel had what 12 mpg even tho r phone showed 20
I wish Toyota would come out with Auto 4WD. I don't like to have to put it in 4WD when I suspect ice on the road.
Hmmmmm cringe.
Eh..... the prices of halftons today... fuck that I'd rather go 3/4 ton wt this point... so sad my 2018 will be my last tundra...
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Man the gauge is set up pretty identical to a freightliner cascadia lol
I’d be curious after watching the videos how a 2500 diesel could compare on the same loop.
Mid teens.
Why do people claim to care about transmission temperature? You cant overheat it no matter what you're doing and don’t know what too hot is anyway.
Hey buddy the transmission temperature is the most important thing when you towing if you go very high temperature in your transmission you blow it
@pecosb5221 How high is too high and when would you be able to overheat it?
@@jeffwhite3021 the mechanics said 215 is to high and is worse in summer or going uphill
@@pecosb5221 250 for 30 minutes is the limit.
@@jeffwhite3021 I think so
Man the more I look at that instrument panel the more I hate this truck and I feel like the overall quality of it is extremely cheap looking for a limited. Thanks for the info on towing and fuel economy I appreciate you guys who take the time to put out content like this.
Do yourself a favor and add a transmission cooler if you plan on towing with the new pseudo Tundra. While you at it, add some tow hooks and a rear step. lol
It has a transmission cooler FYI. And I did add the rear bed step.
Where is located the transmission cooler?
Now, perform a comparable with a 5.7 liter V-8 Tundra.
Why are manufacturers slowly going away from v8 engines🤷🏿♂️
Global emission standards.
You can see clearly that you were talking during the fast foreward
I seen one of these new Toyota Tundras in the wild for the first time yesterday. I never thought anyone could beat Chevy for an uglier pickup. Toyota has outdone Chevy.
Totally agree on that it's all over the place 🤣🤣🤣
Oil pressure looks low
Just give me a truck with comfortable seating, a proportional brake controller and a reliable V8, optitonal 4x4 and I'm happy. Keep all the bells and whistles,( Just more stuff to break).
A bit of advise, need a camera on the gauge cluster! Watching you talk does nothing for us!
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So no trans temp readout or current gear readout?
Dealbreakers. Not a serious tow vehicle. I love that the tundra is built in SAT. But come on, toyota, get someone in there who tows for a living to advise you. You have hotshots all around you, lets GO!
This is 3.4 not 3.5
Sorry Tim I posted this to the Ram video but it it more appropriate here as I know you are tracking any problems with the 2022 Tundra ua-cam.com/video/iQKRYB9vdw0/v-deo.html
I saw that video.
Them baby snails putting in underboost. Shame you can't manually control the gear im sure 7th gear would get you 13mpg
Toyota has Turd written on the side for a reason
I can’t drive 55 as Sammy said