Vaulted Crown Moulding - How to Find Peak Angles
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For 25 years I was a stockbroker but always loved home improvement tasks. After selling my book and retired fate would have me doing handyman tasks for people. Because of your channel I have been able to expand my skill sets into crown moulding. Of course I started on my own house, then some friend’s and 7 years later I’m comfy taking on high end projects that have been
successful. And it’s channels like yours that have taught me either new or reinforced what skills I already knew. Thanks a bunch. Your work is truly perfection and I hope one day to be half as good.
I grew up around carpentry etc. have done lots in my life building wise. But I have learned so many different tricks and ways to do things from you. On some of your videos I may have spent my life doing the same thing a different way but it goes to show that 1. Maybe I never learned the correct way or 2. Maybe you simply do something better or a little smarter than I might do it....Keep up the great work. I think about the guy that really hasn't done a lot and after watching some of your videos he has the confidence to at least try (That doesn't mean it's going to look like a professional did it when he finishes.lol) But that's what this is about. You do a great jobs and keep giving giving the little tips and tricks that you feel help because those are things that are tried and tested...very good
I think you dropped out of the womb with a hammer in your hand. Ive been doing finish work for 22 years and pick up wonderful ideas from you. keep up the good work. you have great presence and produce great videos.
Dewayne M thanks for the support. just glad that you guys watch my stuff. I enjoy sharing the info I do have. and I've learned a lot from comments on my videos.
Love these videos. I do a great variety of work from drywall, to flooring including doors and base, to shelving and even decks and fencing. I almost never do crown. It's been years and so I dropped back in on your videos for some quick refreshers and to learn some new stuff. You made it so easy I got two 8-10 foot pieces to practice left and right returns, inside and outside corners, a splice, and now I am messing with a vaulted ceiling and you are there again. THANKS Bruce
You are one talented fellow. All of us that watch your videos have gained a great deal of knowledge from you. Thanks for sharing and taking the time to create these videos. Regards, Bill
Bill D thank you. I have to give credit to Jon(the filmer), he is the guy that helps me with a lot of this stuff. we appreciate the support
Correct me if I’m wrong but the tool is measuring 30 degrees because it’s pivoting in the opposite direction so really it’s 150 degrees. 180-150= 30 and then divide that in half to get your miter cut. Not sure why he wouldn’t clarify that considering that’s obviously an obtuse angle lol
Man thank you. Your videos are the only ones i watch on molding. I paint cabinets and install molding on them. Im doing my practice run on crown at my sisters house then got my first job coming..i use your glue on everything lol. That stuffs awesome. You got a customer for life bro. Thank you
Ha! This channel is the only one I watched regularly, love it. But surprisingly it wasn't on my mind when I searched for "trim vaulted ceiling" and this pops up first, awesome! I should have known, keep up the great work! Wish your family and business nothing but the best! Semper Fi from a fellow Devil Dog.
Thanks man, your so much help! The room in my house I want to start hanging Crown has a vault on one side. I've never tackled moulding before, so this all new to me. I was worried doing the vault would be challenging. After watching this video I feel more comfortable with doing crown on a vault. What a coincidence that I bought a digital protractor today also. Your videos are so helpful! Thanks!!!!!
Short and sweet. Several good points.
Wonderfully helpful! Thank you for making this simple where so many others confused me! :)
Thank you for the tutorial! Such a great channel for diy homeowners
This is the video I needed. Been searching for what feels like forever. Bravo and thankyou
Great video! You made it very easy to find the slope and cut the crown molding perfectly. Thanks.
This guy has saved me $$$$ I went from buying a case a caulk a week to maybe 2 tubes a week!
If I were a builder in the DFW area, I would definitely hire you to do my trim carpentry. Good work, man.
You da man, as usual! You have a nice way of explaining it clearly. Thanks for your help!!
Love the vids man. I give them a like before it even starts because I know for certain the content is good. Keep it up!
Rick Hamlet thanks!
Wow been searching for a simple explanation. All I found was information that led me to believe it was not a simple task and I was doubting myself and my ability to do this
Thanks
Great video straight foward. Worked just fine for me thanks
Wow this is worth a million dollars thanks so much been a follower for a long tome they sale these at Lowe’s will get one first thing for vaulted ceilings thank you
I enjoy watching your videos, I wish I would have got into this industry.
awesome man, thanks for sharing your knowledge.
All your videos are very useful. Keep it up. You deserve more subscribers.
Nick Lamarche ,
Been getting tips from him for a couple of months and today l realized l hadn’t subscribe.
He is pretty good at dreaming too. “Subscribed 🙌🏼”
Quick and straight to the point thanks!
You just saved me a lot of trouble as the house I'm doing has a lot of these cuts and now it is easy thanks for the info
Jerry Sparks perfect timing. glad I could help.
Thanks for the vid, it took me a few cuts to realize that for this vaulted cut the crown does not need to be upside down🤦🏻♂️duh
good job buddy Ive learned a lot with your videos Thx!!!!!!!
Thanks for your videos, they help tremendously for DIYers....
ESGAR MONTALVO you're welcome. thanks for watching!
You could also use your speed square to find the angle. It is cool to see how different people adapt to situations. I guess that I'm old school. Awesome stuff !
Tell me how please. I don't have an angle finder
I have this exact situation so thanks for explaining how to deal with the peak angles of a sloped ceiling. I am curious how you finished the crown on the vertical wall to the left? Did you terminate the crown against that wall or did you wrap the crown around the corner. I’ve been trying to figure out the best solution for the crown that continues on the 120 degree wall/ceiling angle and have it look continuous.
Rich, how would you approach a horizontal inside corner with one ceiling at 12 degrees and the other at 22 degrees tying into the same corner. Thanks as always for the great content.
Richard, when you go down the vault to the angled ceiling and you turn 90 degrees, do you use the same drop dimension on the horizontal wall with the angled ceiling? Thanks.
Another great tip thanks.
You make everything looks so easy. Do you have a video that shows you how to measure boards properly when doing miters? Mine always end up a gap too short. Never just right.
Hey Rich, how would you handle a kitchen cabinet crown returning back to a wall which has its own crown moulding independent of the cabinet moulding which is most likely sized smaller. Corner block?......shortened return?... any advice?
On a miter saw would you set the saw to 75 as the saw is not s finishing saw . Great videos and best wishes from Liverpool
Yes! Just before I go to sleep. Thanks my man.
Mookey The Pimp Thompson thanks for watching
Show the bottom of the vault, I usually just set my crown and a different spring angle to make it work, what do you do?
Thanks for the videos nice finish carpentry
Have you ever did a miter rake crown to eve crown? I want finish a pórtico roof eve with crown
Thanks
Thanks man. Brilliant.
Can you tell me what method is used to put crown molding on a curved triangular wall without a corner that has a sloped or vaulted ceiling
Excellent as always!
Hey, Gilligan!! thanks Gilligan!
I think my suggestion might be the same as Matt V, but just in case. How about a video showing how to determine the angle/cuts for vaulted ceilings where two adjacent 90 degree walls meet and the ceiling is sloping up from one of the walls and eventually meeting the opposite wall at an acute angle? It'd be nice to see how both the obtuse and acute cuts are done. Thanks and enjoy your videos.
That's what im trying to figure out right now! Haha
very helpful, thank you
Did you cut this on your saw with it nested like normal crown or did you cut if flat?
Did you cut those upside down, right side up or flat?
bro, I have question. I'm doing some remodeling house. It is old house in bad conditions and it is not square at all you can see in it in some walls and ceilings. I trying to make it look nice for sell. Question is: the investor might want to put crown moulding, but as I said, house isn't square at all, in this case, if you are requested to install crown, what would you do?
How are you going to finish it off at the bottom. Thanks for your tips, I went out and bought a angle finder because of your videos. 15 years of trim carpenter work and i'm still learning new tricks.
Dwayne's Prospecting Adventures I put a nice bead of loctite behind the bottom before installation. and then filled in the rest with more LOCtite. I had to tape it because the bricks. thanks . yes I am constantly learning all the time too.
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I like how you just flipped everyone off @1:55 lol! 😆😂🤣
Do you cut these flat on the saw table or do you cut on a bevel??? I have the same 30° vault and I can’t get my 15° miters to meet up when sat on the wall properly. If I lay them flat on the wall they meet perfectly. Help!
thank you!
I want to see the video where the casing was added to the brick archways. I have a brick archway in my home that needs trimmed out like that. How was this done?!!!
Thanks dude!
Nice video, Did you do the molding on the archway? If so how did you do the top please.
Its flexible moulding. It comes in several profiles.
Thanks for the tip Richard. Just curious, do you use regular construction adhesive for the brick?
Steve Hurst I use the loctite that is for brick and painters tape to keep it off the brick when filling.
How do you install crown on vaulted ceilings? Not on that wall u showed on video but on the other where the is not 90 angle from wall and ceiling lets say its about 110
I guess the next question on this video is how did you nail in up with that brick be there?
We need an updated video on how you attached and wrapped the crown on the down-side slope to your left...basically a tutorial on an entire room vaulted ceiling crown installation.
Thanks for the amazing video will a sterrett miter gauge work the same?
I have one. I have not used it for this application yet, but I would imagine that it should work.
The scale is a bit larger which makes it tougher to get into that corner.
Thanks!!
How do you find the other angle?!
How do you figure out the curve for the molding on the doorway? Ty
Howdy brother. What is your philosophy/approach for installing crown on drywall that has metal framing, or steel studs?
Great idea. I was toying with the idea of wood blocks for a while, but I've been able to avoid it up until now. Thanks bro, what do you like to use for your lap around the crown? PL Glue would seem too unforgiving...
Do they need a bevel cut too?
Richard, what is used to attach the crown moulding to the brick wall?
Thanks,
-Colby
Colby Ford liquid nails can be use where it leans against the brick and nails on top which he usually uses a stud finder to hit the studs
Thank you
How would you cut it if say the left wall was vaulted up as well?
But do you cut them as an Inside corner? Outside corner? Straight cut? I struggled with this and cut a bunch of ways and never got them to line up.
How do you prefer to turn the corner at the lower corner at the vault? A plinth block? Or how do you cut and measure if the wall changes angles in the underside of the rake? I know sometimes I try to make a problem and then try to come up with a solution.
You may have to cut some of the meat off the backside so it will make the crown sit taller on the load bearing walls (assuming trusses run on the lower walls) than the vaulted areas.
Are you cutting this like a normal piece of crown or are you cutting it flat on the miter? I have the same angle finder and my ceiling is reading 161 degrees. So if my math is right, that's 71 degrees past 90 so I should set my miter to 35.5 degrees. (161-90 = 71/2 = 35.5). I just can't figure out how to cut this...flat or like you would an inside corner?
Love your videos but man I could fall asleep listening to your videos it's kinda like ASMR. Lol. It's not a bad thing though I'm not complaining.
xcyted4now yeah he is very calm and relaxed when narrating
Awesome!!!!!!!!!
Ey man ihave a question for you ihave an angle finder similar as your and some one tellme that they 3 degrees off is that tru?
I do not think that is true. May be needs to be re calibrated.
And how did you fasten the crown to that brick wall?
I wanna see you make a video on how to handle that inside corner that I assume is over to the left of this bisecting angle
You would need a 3rd piece in this case. Say the vault is going up 30 deg. You have a 90 deg corner plus 30 equals 120 degrees. Cut your 45 inside corner, a 45 inside plus 15 degree triangle piece, then your final 15 deg up slope piece.
Do you have a video solely on how you install crown molding in a room?
Cody Stoddard he has multiple ones
For a guy who says, "I went to public school and I am not very good at math." You sure do explain a whole lot of practical applications of Geometry (angles), Algebra (structured finding of unknowns, your layout formulas), and Arithmetic (your layout formula applications). =0)
I knew a roofer once who wanted me to teach him Algebra.
We were in a driveway. I asked him how many squares of shingles we would need to roof the house. He told me. How many square feet is that? He told me. How many bundles of shingles with 10% extra for waste and spoilage? He told me. How much will that cost at the building store and how many labor hours will it take to shop materials and how much gas will you need? He told me.
I told him that even if he didn't know it he was Algebraing just fine.
Heck yeah dude.
Awesome as always what wood filler do you use for your nail holes
David Heizer thanks we use drydex from dap. it's the pink stuff
Great thanks
What if you're vault is also going back 27° at the same time Help
Scott McClure McClure you mean your vault going back down? if in deed the angle is 27 then just cut the left and right miters at 13 degrees
Hi, I've watched a lot of your videos and learned quiet a bit. thanks for taking the time to shoot the videos. One question though. I notice that you don't put up a nailing strip or backer to nest and secure the crown. how to get the moulding to stay tight to the wall and ceiling?
jason wight I mostly use MDF ultra lite. but for added piece of mind I don't use typical caulk to seal the moulding. I use LOC tite to fill in the gaps between the mouldings and the walls. I don't see the need for a backer strip. I appreciate your comment
thanks for the quick reply. I appreciate it.
jason wight bj
I've been waiting for this video, question though I have a 40 degree angle but every time I cut it it's wrong, I am cutting at 20degrees. Do I just cut the piece flat on the saw? Is that what I am doing wrong?
Hi Brandon. Using a chop saw and laying the crown on its back and flat on the bed, for a 40 degree cut, you need to set the mitre at and bevel at 14 degrees (it will be near enough) for crown with a 45 degree spring angle (drop and projection being the same size) for a 38 degree crown set the mitre to 13 degrees and the bevel to 16 degrees. Search for Fusco chart or Starrett 505A-12 chart. Good luck
should have read " you need to set the mitre and bevel angle at 14 degrees"
I can't get it to work either. 152 deg vault, bisect to 76, 76 from 90 gives me 14 Deg but it's wrong no matter how I cut it. Using a crown stop and cutting it upside down.
Finally figured it out today, the only time you cut crown right side up as far as I know.
@@classicalcarpenter4297 : Would you please help me with " FUSCO CHART" ? What they have i don't get it for 40 degree angle :
it says :
angle 40 miter 38/52 59.40 bevel 38/52 47.77 next to it
it says:
angle 40 miter 45/45 62.76 bevel 45/45 41.64
how do i get 14 ?
how do you install curved molding. thanks
Thank you. At first, I was wondering what angle is 30.5° or 15° ( I see an obtuse angle.) I believe it's the angle off of 90°cut.
probably is really 120 degrees yes.
Someone would help me understan "FUSCO CHART"?
one comment from a subscriber says:
i quote :" for a 40 degree angle "
Using a chop saw and laying the crown on its back and flat on the bed, for a 40 degree cut, you need to set the mitre at and bevel at 14 degrees (it will be near enough) for crown with a 45 degree spring angle (drop and projection being the same size) for a 38 degree crown set the mitre to 13 degrees and the bevel to 16 degrees. Search for Fusco chart or Starrett 505A-12 chart
but when i look at " FUSCO CHART"
What they have i don't get it for 40 degree angle :
it says :
angle 40 miter 38/52 59.40 bevel 38/52 47.77 next to it
it says:
angle 40 miter 45/45 62.76 bevel 45/45 41.64
how do i get 14 ?
If you don't cut the crown "in position", how do you figure out how the heck to do this flat on a compound miter saw?
There are charts for that.
I commend you for that level of perseverance.
Not an angle finder but an angle divider tool is the tool to use. Mine is a Stanley but there are others.
Then just maintain the proper spring-angle of the molding while cutting on the miter-box saw, which is set at the divided angle.
We could also argue over wether it's entirely proper to run crown up sloped ceilings or not?
Historically not, since crown or cornice moldings are just a part of the entablature or embellished horizontal casement of the beams above a column.
Running crown along vaulted ceilings, is a more modern application but rarely seen in antiquity.
"SAWSET PROTRACTOR" is the most accurate miter finder out there. No Math. No gimmick.
Do the comparison. Great for cutting on the flat.
@@johnmusella184 it does work, as long as you cut the crown with the cove of the molding resting on the table of the saw.
How do you cut an angle when it's greater than 50 degrees and your miter saw will only swing to 50?
He has a video on that
Could you pleaseeeee teach us how to find and cut the angle down to your left without a transition piece, preferably? I've been at it for 2 weeks and reading on rake angles for inside vaults and I still don't have a clue.
Yes, I will do that very soon. I have been thinking of how to make it extremely simple. I did film a video about it, but I over-complicated it. lol so I trashed the video.
dfw crown thank you very much! I'm assuming that the cutting angles would change on the horizontal crown if the ceiling was also sloped compared to being flat, correct?
how is that angle 30 degrees?
Josheb E. Mangru it’s the reverse angle
I think the other angle to your left is way harder. That infamous 3rd piece of crown when the crown sits flat on the ceiling, 45 degree, 3rd awkward piece, and then back to the 15 degree angle.
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good video, the crown itself can be used as well if no angle finder tool. this is obvious I know
true! I did it like that for a while before purchasing my angle finder.
This may sound like a dumb question but here goes: are they inside or outside mitres? If anyone else can answer this it would be appreciated, in case he is too busy to answer. Thanks.
Inside
I would love to see how you do the next angle down to your left. That is the tough one, where the ceiling isn't forming a 90 degree between the ceiling and the wall. I can't figure that one out. Thanks man!!
Matt V yes, that will be a separate video. that one is a little more tricky. thanks for watching
Matt V yeah I been trying to figure that one myself
dfw crown, I have the same question as well. It will be great if you put the video on your channel. many thanks!
Yes, I'd love to see this video as well. I'm doing my master bedroom, and have been trying to figure this one out.
dfw crown This video still in the works? Just curious. Thanks for all these videos. They're very helpful, and greatly appreciated.
first! great work as always.
maxboogie thanks!
dfw crown no... thank YOU! I feel like a freakin master class finish carpenter thanks to you. You're the go to guy when it comes to trim carpentry on youtube. Keep up the great work! :-)
agreed!!
Would have been nice to see how you set your saw when you made your cut…