Russell Hartley Has Returned...and He's Even Worse
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- Опубліковано 2 гру 2022
- I thought I'd never talk about this dude ever again but apparently he co-founded an influencer marketing agency that is ALLEGEDLY doing some pretty shady stuff so here I go talking about it!!
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russell hartley being involved in a company that tries to trick influencers into doing porn is about as surprising as finding milk in a milk carton.
local misogynist continues to exploit women and fems? who woulda guessed /sarcasm
hes trynna be bootleg andrew tate lmfao
deadass guarantee he’s one of the guys they could do “content” with. he’s so scummy there’s no way he wouldn’t be
@@kaijudriftz3443 to be bootleg Andrew Tate is really bottom of the barrel stuff god Damn 😂
I disagree. I always expect to find Sprite in my milk carton. I don't want milk. Why did I buy milk?
Russell Hartley is the guy in every Hallmark movie who gets dumped for a country boy
Country boy I love you 😛
This comment is too perfect!!!!
I literally put my hand over my mouth 🤭 gasp, you're exactly right!! 😭
Quick, get this to 1k likes, stat!
Daaaang that's accurate 😂
The fact they asked Vaega to go out of the country to do "boy-on-girl stuff" is *EXTREMELY* concerning. She'd be trapped in a space with who knows how many men, not really able to leave as she doesn't live close by or wouldn't have a place set up to stay, outside of the house provided by the "company". Sounds like a front for sex trafficking.
That's exactly what I thought. When they said they set up events in Dubai and Bali my alarm bells went off. Those countries are absolutely a haven for sex trafficking, and then they are also asking her if she's now ok with boy/girl content. Which is what? A new way of saying would you consent to do porn with men you've never met in a country that is notorious for sex trafficking? This is just crazy disturbing.
10000% sex trafficking, immediately first thing I thought the moment they brought up a house outside of the country. no non sex trafficking business is going to ask you to do that. that's ON TOP of the fact that those countries are notorious for sex trafficking. just a complete "get the fuck out of there now" alarm
dude unless i had some sort of like safeguard like a friend that is a local there or smth i wouldnt even cosider it, that deal is a flag so Red you can bullfight with it
I mean having someone travel across country or state lines for sex work literally is trafficking, you don’t need to torture or r*pe someone or put them in a dungeon for it to be trafficking. Like that is the actual definition of trafficking
A literal sex trafficking operation cannot be a “front for trafficking” LOL
This is what sex trafficking in the internet age looks like. Absolutely terrifying - kudos to Vaega for speaking out about, and kudos to Kurtis for using his platform to shine a light on it
Not sex trafficking. Keep crying liberal.
I know I’m super late to the show and no one will probably see this but I’ve been screaming into my phone screen that it is sex trafficking BY.THE.FUCKING.BOOK. And as someone whose actually been trafficked it really upsets me that there’s this whole narrative that foreigners are going into towns in bum fuck no where and big cities a like kidnapping pretty blond white girls bc aside from that being a false narrative to push xenophobia, but it’s also especially dangerous to women bc shit like that company can operate out in the open and can victimize mass amounts of women bc too many are completely unaware of the warning signs and the tactics they use.
For me personally, nothing will ever top the growing horror and nausea I felt when watching a DannyGonzalas video where when making fun of alpha bro content, he unknowingly revealed what was very clearly a human trafficking subculture
@@Nyx_Fey_ wait which video is this? He's made fun of many "alphas" so I gotta know
@@im_an_oysteri think it’s danny’s “Terrifying Alpha Male Club” vid abt andrew tate
The fact they invited her to a content farming event and asked her if she was okay with "boy girl stuff" is completely absurd on it's own, but the fact that all this shit happened within two weeks?? Hell naw.
i didn’t even think abt that. two weeks is such a short time n they already asked her about that ??
I’m also sure that at some point they’ll stop asking that question and let them go to the location before asking. Sick.
Wildest 14 days of this girl’s life.
@@playgr0undx they deserve to be in jail
i think they said "voyeur", but might have mis heard
This is actually incredibly concerning. Vaega's experience sounds like textbook sex trafficking and was very lucky to get out so quickly. Claims that they are an influencer/modeling agency with promise of career growth & networking & travel to then drop that they are an onlyfans agency & suggest making adult content is exactly how people are trafficked. This company needs to be investigated it makes me sick.
yeah it really needs to be investigated for sure
Yeah when she said they are invited to overseas locations like Dubai or Bali or Mexico these are prime trafficking locations. If you are overseas they can take your passport then you are fucked cause even if you go to the local police you could be arrested for adultry (dubai) or returned to the traffickers who bribe the cops.
I was thinking the same thing. Hopefully enough people notice enough for it to get looked into. I can’t help but think of all the women who *didnt* realize it was a scam/ trap:(
Very true, I hope people who have been signed to them see this video
Am I the only one seeing a lot of parallels to andrew t*te ?
The fact that a “siren” is literally a mythical creature that is known for disguising itself as a beautiful, attractive thing so it can lure people closer to their doom is SOOOO telling of the company’s actual intentions.
Yeah dude that's wild right lol
I immediately went “that’s literally a sex trafficking scheme” when she said they shifted to onlyfans management and they asked her to meet up with men to create content. So freaking scary. So glad vaega got out.
Kurtis looks like the type of guy to tell their kids "ready to rock and roll" when picking them up from school
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I only see this as a compliment towards good ol Kurt tbh
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He also swings the keys around his finger while saying that
@@beanieguitarguy4070 thanks, it's been real hard man😔🤞
When world finally started to heal, he returned.
That sounds like something a poop goblin would say…
I thought you were talking about Kurtis lol
@@Moonwalker2923 omg no i would never
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I am PRAYING that this video tanks Siren's reputation. This is genuinely dangerous and needs to be addressed.
"Modelling agencies" turning into strictly adult content after meeting with them to pressure young women into adult entertainment, a scam as old as the photograph.
Ok the whole ‘we’ll take you on a paid vacation where we’ll pressure you to make pornographic content for us’ thing is unbelievably disturbing. It high key sounds like a sex trafficking scheme. So glad Vaega was able to get away from such a scummy and disgusting company. A highly important video to make, thank you.
Not to mention all the places she listed were all places outside of the US ☹️ That’s so scary
@@StarsXXXXXX There's no way it isn't sex trafficking.
The fact that they have NO respect for these women, their safety, or their boundaries…. Yeah…. It probably gets to the point where it’s human trafficking if you stay with them long enough
Immediate thought!
@@mirandawhittaker8481 That's how they can confirm that you'll get more money than you would working for yourself, because they will send you to as many people who want you. But if you want to be something like an escort, there are far safer companies to work with than this that won't ship you out of sight to work...
Thank you so much Kurtis for taking the time to interview me, help me have a voice, and speak my truth. I appreciate everything that you’re doing to help others. And thank you to everyone who has commented or reached out to me, I’m very overwhelmed but also very grateful for all of you. Update: I will make my own public statement soon on my UA-cam and TikTok, please be patient with me. I have chronic health issues and since this video has been posted I have been trying to get past a flare-up. My health takes a lot of my time and energy but I promise I'll talk more about this topic soon. Thank you endlessly for all of your support.
Thank you for sharing your story Vaega, I hope you and everyone else unfortunately wrapped into this scam and possible sex trafficking ring is safe and well and recieve justice ASAP!!! It's so disturbing how openly they are taking advantage of these people, it makes me sick.
ur so cool for doing this!! i’m sure it’s saving other girls from falling into the same trap. so sorry all this happened to you.
Cheers for the interview mate, it’s great to hear people talking about really nefarious and predatory scams, since we should all be aware of this stuff! Hopefully nobody gets reeled into agencies like these.
Also, great UA-cam name - reminds me of Alan Vega, the singer from Suicide (I’m guessing that’s the point)
Please take this to court if you have the ability to do so 🙏
thank you for sharing your story! so sorry you went through all that. wishing you nothing but happiness and success!
They sound like straight up predators.Thank you for making this. Hopefully, it will save someone from joining Siren. I also hope this leads to a police investigation cause this sounds like sex trafficking.
I am a teen. 17 yrs old. I am glad i follow creators like you. And i am assured that i am following a right person. You spread much awarness and even teach basic things like respect which apparently is not so basic in this society. Loved your way of informing us about this and doing the interviews. 😄k bye
Youre awesome kid
I back this statement ^^^
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I think your a legend
As a fellow teen I agree with everything you said
dude the 50% of their income fucked me up but honestly, the breach of safety was a whole other level. unblocking people, giving real names, thats insane. they are literally putting peoples lives at risk oh my god.
Here is the full Clip : when I met kurtis
ua-cam.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/v-deo.html
@@wynn1587
so you're just all throughout this comment section defending sexual predators. I can only hope you're a pathetic attention seeker and not someone who genuinely believes this shit.
@Wynn Dude, that's like saying that because a business has terrible HIPPA violations, that the entire job field its in is too dangerous and no one should do it. Oh no, Elon Musk is shit at safety concerns in his Tesla factories? Guess we just stop the whole industry of making cars, oop.
Stop putting sex work on a different standard than other fields of work, dude.
@Wynn Also, side note, the same risks are there for non-sex work? Normal female creators get stalked all the time; you do realize that? They have the same risks? So why are you singling out sex work? The chick here didn't even do sex work.
@@kiralonely1307
The comment was an answer to the original one of emma wells about spicy stuff in the video so wynn wasn't singling out sex work . Just responding to it...
When you put yourself online in 2022, the content doesn't matter you'll get pervs and creeps, if you spice things up you won't get refined guys looking to play cards and big romance...
I think Russel Hartely tried his best not to assciate himself with Siren cause he didn't want people to find out he runs a super super shady managment company
management agency to sex trafficking pipeline is real
you'd think he'd be more proud about running a sex trafficking business considering literally all of his other content 💀
@@recitationtohear Bot
@@gaygengar True but he runs it under the guise of “empowering women”. If anything he’d probably feel ‘shameful’ about being insufficiently sexist in branding but without that facade he’d probably be facing a lot more trouble.
or quite possibly the other way around, considering that his digital footprint is pretty concerning for someone in charge of an adult content agency and can be pretty easily found with a quick online search
Considering the HUGE human-trafficking vibes the "creator meet-up" gives off, it's possible Siren tries to run their clients into debt so they can conveniently offer them the meet-up with the promise they'll forget about that debt- without giving them the details of this trip. Vaega was able to pay them off before they could've done that, but I imagine there are plenty of creators they're targetting, specifically younger women or girls, that they're scaring into a meet-up. It just seems like that's something they'd do, and I feel like is worth mentioning in case I'm (VERY unfortunately) right
Honestly "We're having meet-ups in Dubai/Bali/Mexico for boy/girl content" sounds like a lead for sex trafficking.
I’ve been an actor for years and this whole story made me so angry. I’m not even in the spicy content space but I’ve constantly had to dodge scummy “managers” and “agents.” Scammers abound. Be careful out there, folks.
It reminds me of back in the early 2010s when gaming UA-camrs would sign on to these companies claiming to help their brand but all they did was get a cut from their earnings and throw their name around like “look who we have under our belt!”
Same, i signed with one and then they were really dodgy so I left. Found out a month later they were still using me on their website and on Facebook. Well dodgy
@@recitationtohear How did I allow myself to get cinnamon rolled yet again.. I really wanted an answer to why my dad left bro
glad you knew to dodge them!!! i dont know anyone who does online content or anything but i feel like texting all my friends right now just in case ahaha
@@iridescentsolace Damn you Machinima!
when vaega said they doxxed her my jaw dropped. that is insane, no agency with a drop of decency would think giving out someone's LEGAL NAME would be remotely okay. not to mention them overcharging her and unblocking people without her consent. they're putting content creators in such a dangerous position and it's wild that this hasn't gotten more attention
Honestly, that could get her killed. Stalking laws are weak as fuck.
Exactly, doing that to someone is extremely dangerous especially in this situation.
Straight up criminal behaviour.
@@Agmolly Stalking laws are a suggestion that exists and do nothing until the person gets killed. Even restraining orders do literally nothing until it's too late.
@@NachozMan Crazy to me how many aspects of our criminal justice system depend on the after effects of crime when things like stalking, even in incredibly obvious, detailed cases often get ignored entirely. Like damn, I'd imagine anyone interested in actual justice would jump at the opportunity to take down a criminal BEFORE they commit a crime
Wish I could say I'm surprised that yet another dude who trashes women for doing sex work is okay with it once he finds a way to benefit from their efforts.
He’s rebranded again (just showed up on my fyp), he’s now all “get that bag sis” and it’s hilarious to me
This might have been covered in the interview but not included, but I sincerely hope Vaega and/or other victims take this to court. This sounds like a front for human trafficking.
Yep
I really hope it gets taken to court as well. Like the doxxing is absolutely insane and terrifying, I really hope the “agency” gets in serious trouble.
I hope Russell gets pantsed in court.
I thought that immediately after seeing the messages
That’s the stupidest conclusion you could have come to
Russell is that one ex that won’t stop messaging you even after a month of not being together
@Chad 007 ……..this video link is every where I can’t escape it……….
Fuck I used to be that guy. 10-15 years ago... Glad I've grown out of that mindset. If it ain't meant to be it ain't meant to be.
It still baffles me that men are out there acting like that.
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Russel Hartley: "Women take the easy way through life."
Also Russel Hartley: "I want my life to be easy by taking advantage of women."
Fun fact: I used to work for LA weekly and those types of press release articles can be written about or by anybody, as long as you pay them about 2.5k. I would go out on a limb and suggest that Russell likely wrote this himself or had someone write it for him.
what have we done to deserve so much kurtis this week
SO TRUE Kurtis is spoiling us
truly I feel very happy rn
@Deadpool. 💀
honestly
Frr
I am so mad for what happened to Vega. They basically gave her a stalker. There should be legal ramfication for the company.
Replying to this because I'm sick of bots being the only replies to valid comments
Legally Vaega can sue. Doxxing a client's personal information regardless of the company's policy on privacy is illegal. They can get their license taken away and more.
I was absolutely horrified when I heard that. They literally removed even the most basic safety protocols just so he could keep having "access" to her. Disgusting
Shooting porn content in Dubai. Where extramarital sex is illegal... damn that's shady.
The out of country collabs seem super sketchy….. considering they doxxed her and unblocked people she had blocked because they were a threat to her safety - sounds like a super unsafe situation. Gives me trafficking vibes.
call me pessimistic, but it sounds like russell hartley and his icky friends made this as a front to either traffick or take advantage of these girls in other sick ways. who's to say other female creators would've shown up to the meetup? i'd be terrified if i were in that situation that i'd show up and it would be a house full of men and then only me. this is so terrifying to think about, thank you for shining a light on this to hopefully get it destroyed
Oh god the fact that you could be right about this is sickening
And considering the amount of money they demand, I could see them running girls into huge debt and scaring them into going just to erase what they supposedly owe, without giving them the details 🤮🤮🤮
Well, Russell said these girls were making the easy buck, so later on he just capitalised on that.
Pullin’ the ol’ Andrew Taint
No I don’t think you’ll be called pessimistic, just braindead.
The jump from “modeling agency” to “only fans” to “paid trips to go out of the country and film ‘content on location with guys’” makes the fact that they emphasized covering the cost of randomly having a baby go from nonsensical to disturbing
Repulsive
Oh my god I never picked up on that. That is so disgusting and horrific and I hope no more women or literally anyone in general falls for this.
Disguised Sex tracfficking
OH... Fuck, you're right.
So, it’s sex trafficking right? They set up these events in Dubai? Bali? Two countries that are notorious for sex trafficking. This is very disturbing.
Of course it is, it's a sex worker agency, it's obviously human trafficking.
11:00 "No contracts" also mean you have no easy way to hold them to their promises.
@jhjfnfg You won the lottery!!. Just send me the processing fee of 5000.- USD and i'll send the grand price to you.
my blood is boiling listening to vaega’s story i can’t even imagine how she must have felt. it’s terrifying and infuriating all at the same time
@@burningrumm please don’t interact with comments like those, they are spam bots. when you engage with them and click their links, it promotes their page and makes it easier for them to spam. in the future, the best thing to do, is report these comments.
Yeah, especially since content creating is so hard to do especially as a woman or femme leaning person. Them taking advantage of these people is so gross.
I’m so concerned for younger/more vulnerable girls who get contacted by this company. It’s sounding a hell of a lot like a trafficking ring alongside the clear financial scam they’re trying to pull. I was trying to piece together what the 4 people who work 24/7 do and the guess I’m going for is that they use your account to message other girls to get them signed up to the agency, like the message from the person Vaega mentioned. Because what else would they be doing??
Oh my god that makes so much sense! If they have control of your accounts, why wouldn’t they use them to also promote themselves?
They most likely also message random guys and try to get them to buy the content. No telling what they tell these strangers in order to get and secure a buy so that sone could be dangerous as well.
a big part of onlyfans is messaging your subscribers and trying to get them to buy extra content from you. a lot of creators send out automated messages to people but as vaega said the people from siren were doing that on her account which also led to them doxxing her to a subscriber
@@valodate ahhh that makes sense. I don’t really know anything about OF as I was wondering how they ended up doing that. It’s so dangerous
I didn’t even think of that I bet you’re right
poor Vega man. nobody deserves to go through shit like this 💔
I appreciate that you took time to talk about 🔞content creators being taken advantage of in a very respectful manner!
when I worked at fucking TARGET they wouldn't even let people know if you were on the schedule, let alone any personal info. poor Vaega holy SHIT I hope something good comes out of this for her. shoutout to kurtis for sharing her story & being so respectful. its fucking abysmal and i hope they get sued
Yes omg, I worked in a supermarket and if a costumer asked if someone was working that evening you had to act like if you didn't know... So thinking of someone giving a legal name to a stalker in the adult content industry makes me sick
Gentle reminder that the only pronouns given for Vaega in this video are they/them 😘
My work used to have a list of people allowed in a cupboard of full names on the shop floor. With first name name tags, 2 separate men found my full name and messaged me online
literally i worked for a small business and i wasn't even allowed to take a pic of the schedule. this is fucking insane
@@saritavenkatapathynaidu9533vaegina
Thank you for bringing light to this, you could be saving so many people right now. The "agency" is so scary, and it sounds like it could be the start of a sex trafficking ring.
Practically
With someone like hurtling as Co owner I wouldn't surprised. He hates women so he'd prob think that's all women are good for.
Don’t click the link be straight posted, it’s spam
@Be Straight Be gay do crime instead
That’s exactly what my husband and I weee just discussing. Sounds like she was close to being trafficked.
They said _"If you have a baby, Siren Care covers it"_ because in the US it costs around $19,000 to have a baby. I'm serious, Google it.
9:36 did he just use the Death Note soundtrack as the background audio😂😂😂
i never thought i'd hear about this man ever again
all these replies are bots 💀
Wishful thinking
thought he got lost in the Mariana Trench or overdosed on ketamine
@@adomestichousecat9707 I used to report every one of them as spam. Now I report them as porn.
Forgot about him and was living life before he returned
I feel so bad for her and others who are in the same situation. Having stalkers must be so scary and even more scary knowing random strangers know your personal information :(
Scary and sadly, common.
If you go do anything online without acknowledging the fact it's INCREDIBLY easy to dox people and find their personal information, and don't accept the dangers that could put you in, especially as a woman, well you just have to be an idiot frankly.
I can relate to the stalker shit. I had a dude show up at my job I'd never even spoken to who went through my shit to find out where I worked and threatened to stab me through my piercing holes
Hey yeah stalkers are no joke! I've had a few and at more than one occasion some of them have obtained my phone number, one from approaching a friend of mine pretending he knew me, and another I don't even know where he found my phone number as I was a minor at that time.
It's a huge invasion of privacy and at some points I've been scared to even go to work or just to the store to buy groceries.
You feel constantly paranoid and like you're being watched. And hey if they found out where you lived, your name or your phone number without even talking to you, what else are they capable of?
@@helledising8273 I feel you. Going thru this rn.
18:03 HIS REACTION I CAN’T-
the mention of those “trips” made me get chills, sounds like trafficking
i like to think that kurtis laughs really hard at his own jokes while editing
Futaba
lotta bots in this comment section huh
As he should
@@existential_horror5045 because sadly UA-cam is full of em and doesn't do anything bout it lmao
I would too
This needs to be investigated in depth, it sounds exactly like a front for human trafficking. Who knows how many other girls couldn't get out on time. That's fucking terrifying.
The false claims on the website and what seems to be sex trafficking should be prosecutable I swear
AND GIVING AWAY PERSONAL INFO THAT COULD BE SO DANGEROUS
The amount of pick up artists/ tik tok misogynists/ pod cast bros that are turning out to be sexual predators is ridiculous but also not surprising
I cannot believe they released her legal name. Even in basic customer service jobs I've worked it was standard policy to not release any personal info unless we had explicit permission to do so. 'Cause once that info is out there, there is no way to take it back.
A scam is bad enough, but that kind of behavior is outright dangerous. I really hope they get shut down.
Here is the full Clip : when I met kurtis
ua-cam.com/video/mCfYi7634rU/v-deo.html
I work as a waitress and we literally give people fake names while working cause just no
literally its one of the first things they tell you at ANY job - don't give out personal info.
Even in a supermarket I worked as a cashier we weren't allowed to give any information of any peer to a costumer... So thinking of giving it to some stalker in the internet in the adult content industry is sooo fucked up.
Hey Kurtis, I would recommend adding the company’s name to the title so this will be the first thing that shows up if future content creators search up Siren.
@@xoxomishka ohh that’s good then
He probably put it in Tags.
@@Nerdgirl9853 he didn’t
I think youtube also shows videos that mention the words you search up using the transcript of said video, so i think it’ll show up?
I'm replying so Kurtis has a slightly better chance of seeing this comments. People gotta know this about Siren, and it'd save them tons too
This is just classic "pimping" in a thinly-veiled corporate package. This whole "Yea, you can be a model/actor - I know people..." and then it always leads to "adult entertainment/services" that you wont even get a profit from. They use you as an asset and money maker, establish themselves as a "necessary" managment, but only drain you. Super commen in LA aswell where everyone wants to be your "talent agent".
He and his partner from 2 years ago reached out to me and at the time I told his partner that Russell was the worst and that their company does not deliver anything they say. The two of them are really good at getting people to believe in it. I met with Chase in person, he got me drunk and tried to get me to sign the contract right there.
That's absolutely terrifying. Glad you escaped that.
The fact that Kurtis just did a better job marketing Vaega in 5 minutes than this company did in 2 weeks smh
I think she didnt deserve this, go get a real job and work like Everyone else. Onlyfans models contribute exactly nothing to Society and even make it worse, cause more lonely men are in parasocial relations with them instead of seeking love in real live. I hate this guy too, but its hard to feel sorry for these „creators“
@@teknofreak2387 If she's making money, that makes it a real job. And like it or not, if there's an audience that enjoys the content, then it is a contribution. Tbh, if you have a problem with it being a viable career, I think it makes more sense to blame the market rather than the people who are just supplying a demand
Actually tho XD I was thinking as I was watching that she’s one of those people that gets prettier the more you look at her. Sucks she got pulled into that shit, glad she got out of it and Kurt boi is here to shed some light
I cannot tell you how happy I was to get this notification. Not that Russel Hartley got worse, but that you made a sequel on the main channel :) thank you for talking about all these stinky poopy bois for our entertainment
The bots bro 💀💀
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@@cheesegur ik it’s killing me 💀💀
I'm just here to remind y'all that those "making fun of bots" comments are also bots. Do not like them or reply to them, just report them. The system doesn't recognize them as bots if people interact with them.
Agreed. These kinds of videos are a guilty pleasure of mine
You reminded me of something I call the "trust me principle". Generally speaking if someone has a tendency to tell you to trust them, it's because they know you would never trust them without being informed
In case y’all didn’t realize, the whole “demeaning women who make spicy content while profiting off them” is an idea taken directly from Andrew tates playbook 🙄
Man the "we actually care about our clients" thing reminds me of every job that's like "here at _____ we feel like our employees are a family." Always a red flag
I've only worked at one place that felt like that, and they didn't advertise it. It was also a very small restaurant (I don't think we seated more than 80 people at a time), so it sorta made sense(we were also heavily understaffed). I still work there to this day, and I enjoy (most of- there's the occasional bitch that comes and goes) the people I work with. Most of my coworkers are adults (I'm in my mid-teens) and would immediately shut down a situation where they thought I'd be in danger, harassed, or straight-up looked down on (I'm a hostess, every customer that came in had to talk to me, especially because I was the only hostess on schedule half the time).
For example, I was training as a server my first year there and I didn't know our alcohol options, since I had never served prior(we had also just gotten the selection and our ABC license, so everything was still new) and I was underage(so I technically couldn't serve it. I can't even touch it when bussing a table since I'm not 18), I never took the time to learn; there was no need for me too when I hosted. I had a table of three, a young boy, his mother, and his grandpa. The grandpa asked me what our beer options were and I immediately blanked. I tried to list off what I knew, but ended up having to tell them I would need to grab them a beer menu. As I walked away from their table I heard the mother whisper to her dad, "I think she's special," which made me feel like absolute shit. Much later, they were still there, and I told one of the other servers. She was _livid._ She went out there to talk to them about it, even though I tried to tell it was fine(I have social anxiety and stumble over my words a lot, so people saying this kind of stuff was never surprising to me, I kind of got used to it after a while).
To this day I still don't know what she said, but when they left, they had tipped a good portion of their bill and were excessively nice to me whenever I went back out there.
jesus it is sickening how much it sounds like a sex trafficking agency. especially the ‘creator meetup’ things. scary.
I cant believe this story hasn’t made headlines yet? Thank you for covering it, Kurtis. Your videos help so many people not just with laughs.
The scariest part is that "content creator trip" just sounds like a human trafficking ploy
kurtis its so awesome that you are making really genuinely inquisitive and respectful content. i love your videos because they're funny but you also do a really good job critiquing and analyzing things in a super articulate and respectful way! i don't comment a lot on things but i just rly appreciate you calling out this agency and supporting other creators while being funny and respectful the whole time
Would not have said it better myself!
You put into words exactly why I like Kurtis's videos so much!
I love the way u explain it. Really got to the point. Ur comment also got hearted by kurtis
i love it when he goes into journalism mode!!
Totally agree! I recommend Nick DiRamio for anyone who likes hilarious but really constructive critiques. They have such a sharp wit but also really clever ideas for making bad movies/content better
Can we just appreciate Kurtis showing how easy it is to talk respectfully about women and people in the adult content industry? His videos are such a good vibe
It's refreshing. Anthony Padilla also has really good interviews with some folks in the spicy space and I like watching him talk to them on an equal level.
yesss I always fear that content creators are gonna be weird or disrespectful to sex workers when they interact and am always happy to be proven wrong
It shouldn’t be refreshing that spicy workers are talked to like human beings and yet it is. Yes the bar is super low but I still super appreciate Kurtis is always drinking his respect women/spicy workers juice every day.
@@blackparademistress1 yeah it's just nice to see him showing how *easy* it is. This type of language isn't hard and yet many creators makes it seem like they have to have a "I respect peopel" disclaimer or really show people how much of an effort they are making "navigating the pc-georaphy". Kurtis just talks respectfully like it's no big deal for him to do that
its the bare minimum from men tbh it shouldnt be praised
this is blatant sex trafficking
"no contract" is good on paper, but if you really look at it, it's so that they're not legally obligated to actually provide any of that outrageous stuff they promised lol... no contract, no legally binding document that could be used in court of law...
As a woman I still remember when he said women get access to certain things easier than men. That made me so mad, 2020 was literally the 100 year anniversary of the 19th amendment. And that was just white women, women of color were still treated less than human after that. Women have been fighting for years and years, it’s crazy to me how people like Russell can confidently share opinions online without being embarrassed
As a trans man, like as a dude who passes as a dude but also used to be widely seen as a chick, he's a fucking idiot, end of story. Men take me 10x more seriously as a dude than they did when they saw me as a woman, for starters.
I hate the bullshit those assholes perpetuate when, as someone who's seen both sides, I can like objectively say they're fucking idiots. The difference in how people treat me is big enough that I can usually tell in just how someone treats me, whether they subconsciously still view me as a woman, or a "woman turned man" kinda thing.
I think people often forget how close we are historically to times when women and minorities straight up had no rights. Like you said, it's only been 100 years since women have even been able to vote. I have friends who have just a few familial generations since said family were literal SLAVES for fucks sake. But yeah, many people would have you believe nowadays that we're past all that stuff when in reality, we've had slavery longer as a country than we've been without it. The same applies to women's suffrage.
yea I’ve never understood the “women get it easier” bc even if they are getting it easier, who’s making it easier for them? that would be men. and the point of woc being treated like dogshit just completely disproves the “women have it easier” statement.
^^^
as a former OF creator the thought of someone sending out my full name to one of my subscribers made my stomach drop. that shit is terrifying & it's insane that an agency FOR adult content creators would do that. i wish all the best for vaega, hope she stays safe
Kurtis only used they/them pronouns for Vaega, it can be easy to miss! You’re so on point, tho!
@@saritavenkatapathynaidu9533 in her bio she has she/fae!
@@aniiahieisn’t a fae like a mythical fairy creature
@@GoodKidmAAdLizard neopronouns
@@aniiahie neopet
Shit like this is legitimate journalism. You investigated, and reported the trash that you found.
Also I think about that Peanut butter adult often. I hope they are well.
The cut back between their promises and the reality is so impactful and shows what they are
I was also signed by Siren and have some absolutely WILD stories from my time with them. Sending love to anyone else who has experienced this absolute disgrace of a 'company'
Do you feel like sharing them with Kurtis?
@@gpgp1841 yeah, I'd be up for talking about my experience
You should totally reach out to him! I’d love to hear a podcast or see more videos exposing this dangerous nightmare trap company. Stay safe!!
What did they do to you?! I'm sorry if I accidentally triggered horrible memories for you
I got attacked by a real siren in the ocean, and it still wasn’t as bad as whatever Russ is doing.
4:28 nightmare dude
I don't have experience in content creation stuff so I may be off-base here, but "no contract" is a major 🚩🚩🚩 for me. No contract means less paper trail (you can't point to something they agreed to that they aren't doing), you can't sue them for breach of contract when they don't hold up their end, and you can't negotiate or renegotiate. I work in theatre (no union) and if I was offered a job with no contract I would absolutely refuse. Contracts protect you as much as them.
Jesus… lucky I found this video, the Siren agency approached me through a big influencer months ago, which made it seem far too good to be true… but I couldn’t help but trust a well - known model with a blue tick and almost millions of followers. You’d think she’d care about her reputation? Obviously not.
I then had a call from a young guy, trying to act like my best friend, promising the world and more + even U.S healthcare… even though I’m Australian, Don’t know how that works?
The website even looks so bogus. I signed on for a week and then changed all my passwords as they were not consistent with a single thing they promised.
Americans think the rest of the world works the same as america
who was the influencer???
Glad you dodged a bullet
the us healthcare bit is so funny
Expose them, who was the influencer?
I feel so sorry about Vaega... But she is lucky to escape from this contract and these people. I'm happy she did, but I'm also sad that she still has to deal with this sicko that messages her to this day. Well, I'm glad that she's relatively safe now, but I hope things will get better for her.
I also hope that a lot of people will see this and will talk about this, so no more girls will be dragged into this stuff. It's really nice to be informed about this. Thank you, Kurtis, for doing this!
holy fuck, when did youtube bots get this bad
Wow
@@cloudlily8835 I know, right? But I like how they thought that "making fun of bots" thing would be enough to fool everyone, lol
@@Syd448 absolutely terrifying, you're right. I also had "this one guy", who wouldn't just leave me alone and it was a really scary experience, wouldn't want that for anyone at all. I hope there are some ways she can deal with him for good.
@@arima_song I had the same, he used to follow me home from work at night. There are SO many creeps out there and a lot of guys don't understand why women are so cautious.
Thank you so much for bringing light to this! You using your platform for good is so refreshing to see. Thank you for trying to keep people safe and informed.
he says women who do only fans have life on easy mode yet theres usually something forcing them into it, including financial struggles or else
This is actually just a company version of how pimping works. They start off by making you think you’re dating. Then you get pressured into working the streets, then you get the reveal that he doesn’t love you and only tricked you into working for him. The company is doing the same thing. It’s especially predatory considering she thought it was modeling, and that these “trips” are in countries that have a harder time with grape cases. Because that’s exactly what would happen on these trips. I’m so so so glad she got out and was only with them for two weeks bc they were prepping her to be trafficked. That’s how this industry works.
They're also countries that tend to do things like restrict travel and revoke passports of people accused of certain crimes. Lots of ways for this scumbag company to get women into sex trafficking by offering them no other way out.
The thing where they said "if you have a baby, siren covers it" is referring to the fact that here in the US, it literally costs like $10,000 or more to stay in a hospital and have the nurses deliver your baby, and there is literally no insurance company that covers 100% of those costs, but apparently siren does. Definitely sounds too good to be true
Edit: woah this comment blew up for no reason, thanks everyone
Edit 2: must be a peanut butter adult by now
no, it's actually peanut butter
@@daisangenwannabe I wouldn’t be shocked either if it’s also specifically you get pregnant from the porn.
@Daisangen Wannabe they specifically say "have a baby," not "are pregnant," so I really doubt they're implying abortion there
Considering their ultimate plan for vegamoon seemed to be pimping her out, I wonder if that "We'll covered you if you have a baby" really meant "if you get pregnant working for us..."
Don't have kids don't get sick or you'll ruin your life, America in a nutshell.
Its giving human trafficking vibes. Im not saying they do that, im just saying they have that vibe.
Sex worker agencies in the human trafficking business? Nooo, unheard of!
"He does weird sad motivational speaches in empty conference hotel rooms" ahaha lol that is the best way to summarize his vibe.
more like russell fartley
Best collent
More like russell hardly
kurtis must pin this
good comment
nice one
Honestly surprised Kurtis didn’t hit us with a “Russell Hartley, i HARTLEY knew her” within the first minute 😩🤧
Edit: btw I made this comment at the very beginning of the video. I didn’t know what the topic was going to be besides that weird guy.
missed opportunity
I’m glad he didn’t. This was quite the serious situation
total missed opportunity. We expect better of you, Kurtis /j
@@anitaaranceta780 there's still jokes in it. Lol
@@elianazuniga6541 yeah, youre right. I just don't get the joke ajajaj. Sorry bout that
"Must be a peanut butter by now" my favorite youtuber
Hartley really saw Andrew Tate and said “damn sex trafficking looks cool asl” like wtf
They’re literally pimping these creators out. Insane
I said the exact same thing
why do they ever agree to being pimped ?they can just open an only fans
@@everything5066 Because running content, funds etc. when you have quite a large following can be hard on your own.
@@everything5066they pImp themselves which is as bad
Love that you’re just an investigative journalist now. Especially with the comedic twists
Replying cause it sucks when your replies are only bots. Also as a heads-up to anyone reading these, please report the bots for spam. Don't click links, don't give them likes or reply to them. The one's "making fun of bots" are bots too.
Also, same, the more investigative takes with like comedy intermixed makes for my fav videos from a bunch of creators. I love it when they take that route lol.
@@kiralonely1307 Yeah the making fun of bots ones are especially annoying imo. Like yeah, let's just take a notoriously bad issue that UA-cam comments have and make them WORSE by clowning on the other bots. Doesn't make any sense
5:54 donkey kong’s head looks like jimmy neutron’s forehead.
Unfortunately, I once dated Russel and at first, he was amazing, but then after a month he started spewing anti-black things (I’m mixed race) he then started saying he only saw women as “sex toys” I left so fast
I work at a museum where I occasionally need to handle personal data. Not very often, but it happens. When I started my job, I had to sign a mountain of data security legal instructions. I literally spent an entire work day just reading and signing them. The whole stack of them would put any Stephen King novel to shame. Misusing someone's personal information is such a serious offence that I not only _would_ absolutely get fired, it could land me in jail for three to five years.
That Siren just doxed their customer like it was nothing, with zero repercussions, is absolutely insane to me.
do you think they could go to court for that?
@@kanexoxo Probably. While I'm not exactly sure on how US law treats something like this, I'd be surprised if there was no protection at all. Siren clearly violated the trust of their customer, potentially putting their life in danger. The fact that Vaega still gets messages by this stalker person months after the fact should help to build a case.
@@swagromancer Even if US laws don't forbid this, I suspect European Union GDPR (General Data Privacy Regulation) rules would forbid what Siren does.
@@whateverlolawants They absolutely do. European courts would chew them up and spit them out for this.
That is so scary that the agency doxed that creator, I hope Vaega stays safe 😢
@@recitationtohear you're as sus as the bot so you also must be a bot ong get a hobby
@@skullchimes dont engage with bots
Revealing Vaega's name could literally get them killed.
@@fabra1122 Report bots for spams.
Chase is operating as Luxe Model Management now. They reached out to me which is a red flag to begin with because legitimate agencies/management companies don’t need to seek out clients.
That's was a really, REALLY great video! Scammers and creeps abound online...ugh...
I’m honestly so impressed by this video, like this is basically journalism!! Kurtis did so much research, and a whole ass interview? This is basically an exposé
AND it was hilarious??? Damn
I didn't even realise this omg
Kurtis: **Gives a detailed list of all the lies and sketchy BS the agency does**
The agency: “this is absolutely ridiculous…. We do not cover your baby in peanut butter…..…”
Laughter
Russell… I Hartley know her
What are management companies even used for? Like I feel like the only time I hear about them is when it’s negative and they’re taking the rights to something you made or just straight up taking your money
FYI: I’m an actor in LA (no, not famous yet 😂) and my acting agency takes 10%, my manager takes 10% and my entertainment lawyer takes 5%. This is the industry standard! 50% is absolutely unheard of!!
I wish you luck girl!
yeah when i head that shit my jaw dropped bro, also i hope u get famous one day because every Len fan deserves a good life
I work in entertainment, and in 2012 when things started running to Canada I spoke to an agency and they wanted 10% on all earnings regardless of whether they got if or me. I said, you need to get me 20% more to make it worth it. And the upcoming year I was waiting on a job that would have taken 1/4 the year….so I decided to hold off to not hand them 10% of my income on a job I already lined up. Never ended up using them because I got busy. But yeah, 10% is normal…but still f’d since it’s not just work they get you.