I’m thinking on a Goldwing and the reason is for my wife to be comfortable plus I like it as well. I now am second guessing weather or I should buy one . I thought goldwings were the standard for comfort
Mr. Cruiseman, I really enjoyed your comparison. Seemed subjective but honest to me. At age 85, I'm very happy with my 2018 GW DCT with a Motor Trike conversion. Going to see if I can ride until age 100!
I disagree strongly. I think your analysis was fair, balanced and as objective as possible. So many guys are so brand loyal that they demonstrate an obvious bias, but you however, did not!
I traded a 2013 Victory Cross Country Tour in on a 21 GW Tour DCT because I was impressed with the DCT and torque of the Honda. And on paper, it was the best touring bike out there based on my research. I quickly figured out I didn't like the riding position, the saddlebag storage makes no sense and is small, and I thought wind management was poor. Fit and finish was nice and the bike was fun to ride. My wife did not like the passenger area. We stopped into an Indian dealer while out on my Honda and test rode a 21 Indian Challenger Limited..... I bought it. I kept both for a few months but 99% of the time I chose to throw my leg over the Challenger. I sold the Honda with only 500 miles on it. The Challenger is a better fit for me. I agree with most of Cruiseman's review, (BTW, Thanks for your content. I watched all your stuff when I had the Honda) but he gave some points to Honda that aren't important to me. Center stand...I only used it in my garage. Phone storage area...both are equal. A Note 10+ fits equally into both. Passenger seating...my wife rode on both bikes and the Indian with tour pack was hands down better for her. Top heavy...I actually felt like the Honda was more top heavy than the Challenger. Maybe it's because you sit more "on" the GW and more "in" the Indian. To each his own. I have 15K miles on the Challenger and am happy with my choice but I can see how some might prefer the Goldwing. It's nice that we have options!
It's hard to find a replacement for a Victory XCT with all it's leg room and storage. If I ever replace mine both of these bikes are at the top of my list.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful because I really liked your post, but like you I bought a Victory Vegas along with my Goldwing and felt the rug pulled out from me when Polaris discontinued Victory and bought Indian. I wouldn’t put my trust in Polaris not doing that again.
i own a 19 goldwing and the only thing better than the indian is the reverse and the motor and handling, the indian infotainment destroys everything out there, suspension hands down the best keeps the wind off you the best and more comfortable
I rode a Victory Vision for a bit,,, I am now on a GL 1800 ,,, but I'll say this about the Vision ,,, AWESOME BIKE ,,, the indian motorcyle takeover was politically shmoozed ! The indian is a high dollar force for Polaris ,,, . As it is ,,, I am excited about my Goldwing default ! Thank You indian ,,,
Great review, Chris, as usual. I love your clarity on the differences between objective points, and personal subjective points. You clearly are making a huge effort to not "lead" the viewer to a pre-ordained conclusion. Nice job.
I sold my challenger due to a number of issues. nav frequently got lost on main roads, throttle response at times acted like it was not connected, fuel economy was high 20s when riding one up at normal speeds, plugging an android phone into USB port to charge it while riding caused problems with the phone, and at 5 foot 8 inches tall, the reach to handle bars is extreme and limited my ability to turn handlebars. never had any issues with a goldwing
@@nattcharles they were not available when I looked for them, supply issues I was told plus $$ for install and the electronic issues made the bike almost unrideable. One of the many that had unresolveable software issues.
@@cartrack730 got rid of the bike without the flash being done. Too many other issues with the electronics that made me hesitant to ride more than 50 miles from home. Always got the no problems found and the next time I would ride the bike, a new one would pop up.
I'm still in love with my Challenger. No issues after 17,000 miles. The clear coat is very soft on the bike. I had it ceramic coated to help with that. I get about 39MPG in sport mode on the daily rides and have gotten 42 on long highway rides. It's a solid bike that I will be holding on to for a while.
Very good and fair comparison. I had a 2020 Challenger Limited and traded it for my current 2021 Gold Wing 6 speed Tour. I love my Gold Wing, but do miss aspects of the Challenger. To me they are different enough to be in separate classes. Super smooth flat six vs a nice big v twin.
Having owned both the goldwing and Roadmaster, both have different area’s of strength. Both comfortable and powerful. Comes down to preferred riding style “feet forward” and styling! I prefer the American design and built Roadmaster!
Yes, fair. I have 21 Goldwing tour dct. I love it. I had a 17 Road Glide Ultra. The Pursuit seems like the perfect compromise between the two, and intrigues me quite a lot. Finances suggest I should remain grateful for what I have... But if the Honda gives me any trouble, I'll probably take a closer look. The one thing that I really do appreciate is the low speed weight distribution... The bike feels so much lighter just because the weight is down low. It's glorious, and I never thought I'd care before. I do now.
That’s important to me, also. I’d like a better radio and updated infotainment screen on the Goldwing. That said, when you’re maneuvering to park on a steeply crowned road or parking lot with a group of big-bike riders all struggling to do the same thing, you appreciate the low center of gravity and reverse/forward crawl mode!
I owned a 2019 GW 6speed tour. Which was a great bike . And i had a couple of issues that were repaired under warranty. I sold it for a HONDA AFRICA TWIN DCT. I recently bought a 2003 Kawasaki Voyager with 12k miles and it had a Diamond custom seat.And all the options I would put on it. It gets 42 mpg. It doesn't and never will handle like a GW but I can put just as many miles on it in a day as I did my 2019 GW. Very simple to change oil and get to the battery and air filter. Someone replaced the speakers so you can still hear the radio when you pass a truck. Best part i paid $3k for it , that makes me grin going down the road. To each there own.
I'm on a 1200gs right now and a streetglide 107 before this one. The Harley blew up at 18k miles hence the bmw. I've been thinking heavily on a GW as I'm 70 and my adventures are more comfortable these days. That Indian sounds really nice though. Thanks for the comparison, it was helpfull.
Great comparison of two fine machines. I am a current HD owner with two HD that are getting older (2003 & 2005). I owned a GW years ago and it was a fine machine. I test rode one a short time ago, but feel cramped with my legs not in the forward position. I recently took the new BMW tourer with the boxer engine, but after a half hour had to get off and stretch my legs due to the angle, perhaps I am getting too old. The Pursuit is on my short list and I look forward to a test drive.
Great review. I’ve owned a Roadmaster and several Goldwings. Currently I have a Goldwing Trike. I agreed with everything in your review but I also realize all riders have different priorities when it comes to the things they look for in a bike. I ride a trike do to medical issues. At the end of the day the thing that means the most to me is reliability and cost. The Goldwing wins hands down. But again, just my experiences.
I am not a fan of the latest Goldwing, but the previous incarnation is great. My vote is for that over the Indian. My brother has the Indian and we occasionally swap for fun and I like it, but the Goldwing is still the one that gets my vote. Good review !!
A couple of the other Posters would probably be happier with the older GW. It still handles great, has larger storage capacity, very reliable and built in U.S.A. until 2006(ish?).
Thanks for your in-depth review. I own a 2015 F6B Deluxe (ridden 60,000 miles) and a 2012 GL1800 (which we had triked with the CSC kit 2 years ago, ridden 101,000 miles total). I have to say, after hearing your comments about the new generation Goldwings (2018+), I think I still prefer the 2nd Gen GL1800's (F6B and Goldwing - 2012 thru 2017). I personally like the styling of the prior generation, and it sounds like the maintenance is far easier. As for "tech", my 2 older Goldwings are just fine with a Garmin Zumo that I can instantly switch between the two, and bluetooth integration to the speakers via an small, inexpensive bluetooth transmitter/receiver that I got on Amazon. Also, I am averaging 42 mpg on the F6B; with a 6.6 gallon tank which gives me a range of 275 miles - 33 mpg on the Trike; with a 10 gallon tank for a range of 330 miles. In many ways, I think Honda went backward on the 2018+ models. Thanks again, Cruiseman - ride safe.
Fantastic review. Very well balanced. The only thing it cant tell you about is reiability. I have had many Honda motorcycles one of which was a Gold Wing and currently own an Indian Vintage and a Scout. We purchased the Indians for the styling and history and that they deliver in that regard. But both have had more problems than all the Hondas combined. Issues have been numerous recalls for saftey issues such as bad neutral switch causing the bike to lurch forward as it is in gear, faulty switches that are not weather proof causing poor or no starting, cannot toggle displays due to the switch failure, starter solenoid failure. Some issues are design on these two bikes such as poor handeling on the Vintage, such as rake causing poor handeling. By comparison the 1981 Wing was purchased in the UK, shipped to Canada before being ridden to the southern tip of south America and back to Canada only requireing spark plugs, oil changes, air cleaners and tires. Honda dealer network for service is far superior and you can phone Honda and talk to a tech. Last time I spoke to Indian they told me techs dont speak to customers. I was stranded when the fob de programmed and the bike wont start. No local dealer able to fix it in Texas so have to trailer it hundreds of miles. Also never had a really bad Honda dealer but have had two really bad ones in Texas though really good in other places. My opinion is if you are buying it to ride rather than the electronics or to be seen styling buy the Honda.
Good comment. I have never owned an Indian, but I have two friends that do. I know both have had minor nuisance issues with their bikes but I don’t recall exactly what. I currently own a Harley Electra Glide and an 08 GoldWing GL1800. I love them both for very different reasons but if I had to choose one over the other, I would keep the Wing. No question
Really enjoyed your comment. From time to time I think about updating to a new Goldwing, even though there's nothing really wrong with my old one, a 1980 GL1100. It would be nice to have a power adjustable windscreen, and a fairing with better high speed stability & lower drag. Other than that - the GL1100 is just about as close to perfect as I can imagine. I consider that model to be the first, best transcontinental adventure bike. I had a knobby on it for a while and found out it wasn't too shabby off road - although you're not going to win any races against a two-stroke RM250 in the dirt, I still never got stuck in mud or wet grassy ditches in the rain. And it still runs like new, although it's not faster than any Harley anymore since Harley engines have steadily increased power over the last few years. I just have to come to terms with the fact that it's no longer the Mike Tyson of heavyweight motorcycles anymore. It's a big adjustment to fall from that throne. Maybe I'll just modify the fairing + windscreen & call it a day
Nice job on the review. 2021 DCT here. Agreed: the tech needs to be streamlined. Owned a 2016 Indian Chieftain Darkhorse - will never buy another Indian. Mine ran super hot all the time. Thankfully the Pursuit is liquid cooled but I doubt seriously it’s as cool running as the GW. The feeling I get from the GW cannot be matched by another touring bike in my humble opinion.
I have a 2020 Goldwing DCT and I can't see me ever going back to a manual transmission, however I also have a 12012 Kawasaki 900 Vulcan for local commuting. I always seem to have trouble finding neutral (and that applies to all of the bikes I have owned over the years). One thing I like about the Honda is its low centre of gravity, the top heavy feel of the Indian concerns me. I do like the look of the tech though, so it might be a quick trip to my local Indian dealer for a test ride, just to make sure I am not pre judging too harshly. Great review with lots of (to me anyway) really relevant points.
I’m trying to decide between these two bikes and I’m going to wait until the 25 Goldwing comes out so I can compare it to the latest pursuit. I keep my bikes for about 10 years so I want to get it right. The technology, riding position and storage as well as pillion comfort are going to score the highest in my own scoring. That automatic DCT transmission on the Goldwing is pretty sweet and I’d really like to give it a try if they can get their tech, pillion comfort, and storage where it needs to be.
Currently I have a 2021 Indian Chief Vintage; I had a 2018 Goldwing DCT for three years, prior to that I'd had three Harley Road Glides, 2000's vintage Triumphs, 60's vintage Triumphs, various older Hondas, even a trike . The Goldwing's engine technology was far superior , in all regards, to H.D.'s and Indians - except for the "rumble". When it came to low speed maneuvering I found Honda's DCT was a liability, the ability to "feather' the clutch on my other bikes afforded a definite advantage! The principle disadvantage of the Honda was its "sport tourer" layout much like BMW's. I felt like a cramped jockey! It is always much more comfortable sitting upright with my feet in front of me or even, using highway pegs and adjustable backrests, a laid-back, Easy Rider position, especially on long trips. I'm 76 years young and have been riding since I was 14. I think that the best bike would be a H.D. Road Glide or Indian Pursuit with Indian's electronics and Honda's Goldwing engine/drive line. Oh yeah, and Garmin's navigation!
I have a 2022 base challenger. Had a 2019 Chieftain before it but the heat was a deal breaker. I keep track of every filk up on my vehicals and this chalkenger runs around 5.5-6.0 L/100km. US gal=3.8 Litres. The ride command is excellent and you can even display weather radar on your gps nav page and i find it excellent - i flew for a living for 40 years so i am familiar with it. Different kind of radar but i am impressed. This is my second challenger. The first i had a major electronic problem that after months in the service dept could not be fixed so Indian replaced the bike. You cannot get better customer support than what i received from Indian. Through the process Indian was totally upfront with their attempts to rectify things with absolutely no bs. Both the manufacturer and my excellent dealer. I have zero complaints. Things break and a complicated bike is no exception. I wish it had reverse gear. I'm 71 and envy the reverse on Honda and bmw. Imho the headlight sucks. I added driving lights. The only thing that might cause me to not buy anther Indian is the lack of a reverse gear.
Chris, great comparison presentation. I too would select the GW if I was buying new. Why, the paint, the balance at slow speed, and 89 octane fuel, those three things are deal killers for me on the Indian. However, if I was a V twin guy, much better than HD.
Thanks for the great review.....I am on my 4th Goldwing but am really upset about how the storage has decreased in the Goldwing (I currently have a 2000 GL1500SE) and I can fit a my backpack in the saddle bag. I couldn't do that on the newer Goldwings so I have seen advertisements for the Indian, but as you pointed out in your review, I would have no idea where to go in my large city to even look at one. In fact until the commercials on my phone, I didn't even know Indian was still in existence. I certainly will find a dealer and check it out based on your review. Thanks again.
I don't really have any input on this comparison as I only have an older GL1500 Goldwing but I wanted to say how impressed I was with your presentation and objectivity! I look forward to more videos, new subscriber 👍
Great Review. I have had a Pursuit DH Premium for little over a month and 7000 km (4300 miles) on the road in that time. I agree 100% on the paint, though I have the Black Smoke Dark Horse. The paint is matt black that doesn't have a scuff problem. but a few parts that are shiny black like the trunk handle area, which had something rub against it and rub off the paint! The cargo rack is also a shiny black and after the first long trip with a tightly tied down small duffle bag, it was covered with scuffs and shallow scratches. that's coming off this winter to properly powder coat. Re: Lighting, I had the extra lower drive lights added - it's like night and day improvement. As for high centre of gravity, I found I had a completely different experience. My other bike I've put on 100000 km is a 2005 BMW K1200LT which weighs about the same. but the COG on that BMW is so high it's criminal. It's been a real pleasure with the Indian's low COG in my opinion. The only thing I really miss is the Reverse the BMW had and the Pursuit doesn't.
I also had a 2005 BMW K1200LT and totally agree the COG was far too high, that is why I am so happy with my Goldwing, also why I am a little concerned about the Indian, I am going to have to go test it to see how it is. The high COG on the BMW was only really a concern at low speeds I must say. It was great on long distances (I rode across Australia on mine, from west to east and back, and clocked up many miles on other trips, I just didn't like it at low speed).
Don’t own an Indian pursuit but I do own a Victory XCT which a person could claim is the previous gen pursuit. The higher passenger seating does allow passenger to also be to see what’s ahead. While mine doesn’t have a factory adjustable windshield, I did add a manual windshield, my wife has told me wind is not an issue.
Great review. These are the only two bikes I found that could replace my Victory Vision. As advanced as the Vision was in 2008 it's starting to fall behind compared to the 2022 Goldwing and Pursuit. Now I need to decide if I want Goldwing's DCT with reverse and walk or the Pursuit's Tech and ease of use. Thanks for the detailed review.
I'm a Gold Winger for 600K. I hate the new one. Love the engine and drive train. Hate the ride. The seat. Smaller luggage because I travel. The windshield is a joke!!
I agree I love old-school Indians like the Roadmaster and the only other bike I would travel across the country would be a 2017 Wing the last generation just like my Master it has lots of storage and rides like a Mercedes like my Roadmaster sure my Roadmaster looks better to me subjective but the old Wing has a proven track record and is also beautiful to look at in its own futuristic way. if I was rich I would have a 2016 or 17 the last of the previous generation wing a 2020 Harley Heritage and Deluxe with pearl white paint and white walls an Old Indian Chief and a Yamaha Transcontinental and a Victory Tour best V-Twin engine ever made the 106 or 108 can not remember right now lol getting old..
HTSC (Honda SELECTABLE TORQUE CONTROL) Honda Selectable Torque Control system can detect imminent traction loss in the rear wheel and reduce torque to allow the tire to grip.
Nice review, Cruiseman! I think your review was fair and impartial. You did a good job! I'm thinking about getting an Indian Challenger as a second bike but to never replace my 2018 Honda Goldwing Tour DCT Airbag! And yes, I've test rode a Challenger twice with some distance. In regards to cost of purchase, let me tell you something people should be aware of. Both companies charge for shipping and setup; however, when the pandemic hit and logistics became a problem, Indian corporate began charging a surcharge for shipping. Here we are over two years later and the Indian corporate are charging purchasers a $800 fee above and dealership's shipping and setup charges! This fact stopped me from buying during the pandemic and have me thinking twice about buying one now even though one dealership has the perfect one for me. Thanks for sharing!
So an update on the pricing. A 2023 Goldwing DCT is $35, 369 in my province (the site asks for province so maybe the cost varies province to province), and the Goldwing DCT with Airbag is $37,969. Not sure if the Indian has an air bag but at a dealer in Vancouver it is listed from $38K to just over $44K.
While a good comparison of features and functions, the biggest missing factor is riding style. What will you use the bike for. Both will eat highway miles but if you want to ride the twisties aggressively, the Wing is a much more capable Sport Tourer. Even more so with a suspension upgrade.
Great review! Much appreciate the clear and concise way you approach each point in the discussion. I have been considering the pursuit and not even interested at all in a gold wing, but you got me thinking...more options!
Great video and I really dig your objective style. I was torn a couple years ago and went with the Challenger limited. Approaching 20K trouble free miles.
Very nice job on this Vlog. I haven't ridden either one but am interested in both. Currently riding an R1200RT water cooled which I really like a lot. You probably said but I don't remember hearing the weight of these 2 bikes. Super heavy for sure but I can look it up. Thank You for some great input.
To my surprise, the regular Challenger is almost as heavy as the Goldwing Tour! I wouldn't be surprised to find the Pursuit weighs more than the Goldwing.
I have a 2018 goldwing and believe you are spot on with your appraisal of it’s electronics. Honda should have done so much more with the GPS, bluetooth connectivity, ridiculous radio, and provided a display that is customizable. The only other thing I dislike about the wing that Honda should have done better is that damned seat. You mention the Honda dealer network is a plus, but in my negative experience with the dealers I’ve encountered, they have been as bad as any shady used car dealer I’ve seen. I believe one thing that stands out with the Honda is that it handles well enough outside of the touring realm to be a daily driver. I sold my VTX1300 when I found I only put 200 miles on it last year; the goldwing handles so well around town, I just preferred it most of the time.
I ride a Goldwing professionally and I have been looking at the Pursuit for my leisure riding. I believe this a very honest and fair assessment of the differences, thank you!
I like the way you did this video. All the information was very informative. But one thing you did that I really liked. It may seem trivial, but you stopping the video for the commercial break was great. I hate when I'm watching a video and all of a sudden I'm watching an advertisement with virtually no break in between. Having said that. I've always liked the Goldwings even though I've never owned one. But, I felt bad when they changed the styling to make it more modernistic and less of a Touring bike. The older model Goldwings had more storage in their saddlebags and trunk. I was sort of surprised with the new model being pretty skimpy on that. Well, that's just my opinion. ~ Stay healthy, happy, and safe ~
Nice review have ridden Indians nice bikes. Have friends that have left Harley for Indian and their happy. I just bought a used Goldwing plan on burning some road up next couple of years..
I had a GW and had to give it up as I have trouble straddling the wider engine as I have gotten older and have a 29inch inseam. With that being said, I have ridden an Indian and that lower seat height really helps. So, if you are not 5'10' or so, check out the Indian in my opinion would be a better choice.
Great unbiased and fair review, here in the UK the Indian Pursuit Limited cost £27.695 with a 5 year warranty, the Honda Gold Wing Tour manual 6 speed cost £29.349, DCT cost £32.449 3 year warranty, so over here the Indian is cheaper by £1.654/ £4804. I'm a bit biased as I already own an Indian Chieftain, I'd go for the Pursuit, but the Wing is a brilliant bike!
I test rode a Challenger at Bikes Blues and BBQ. It was a nice ride full of American character. But I'll be honest, I didn't love it. When I got back on my Goldwing, I was happy again. A friend of mine and I swapped bikes for a bit, and his comment was essentially this.. "the Goldwing is simply a precise machine. It does exactly what you want it to do with almost no effort." I agree.
I've never owned an Indian but I have an 08' GW. I Love the Wing but I had to add Hwy pegs to stretch my legs & bad knees. I have a friend who has a Springfield & a Roadmaster and he would never ride anything else. I'm different in that I Will ride just about anything. I appreciate that a Total GW freak like yourself were Very fair to the Indian. You surprised me on that. Excellent comparison, CruiseMan..
Cruiseman, Happy Christmas! Thank you for your reviews. One critique. You give points for each feature / attribute in your reviews. Giving points treats each attribute as being of equal importance (value) to the potential buyer. May I suggest that you first create a weighting for each attribute that you will be reviewing. (Total of attribute weightings = 100).This attribute weighting would be personal to you. Discussing the weightings before you give points will provide a deeper meaning to the final score comparison when each score is multiplied by the weighting and then totaled at the end. Adding a weighting to each attribute would give your reviews more depth and meaning as it relates to future purchase intentions. Great channel! Jonathan
Have the 2017 GW with the large f4 windshield. My wife still complains about wind blowing her headband off her head. I was looking at the Indian but we never got the chance to ride one to test drive. Great review, and I will be looking forward to your next one.
I have to say. I Love my 21 Indian Challenger Limited. I think your comparison was probably fair, especially in the fact that you stress that a lot of the scoring was personal preference. Great detailed video so kudos to you.
I traded my 2011 Yamaha VSTAR 1300 Tourer for a leftover 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT in 2020. I've ridden my Yamaha from Maine to Sturgis SD, 3 times pulling a small trailer and my wife on the back without any issues (always 3 days out and 4 days back at 2200+ miles each way). My wife and I rode the Goldwing from Maine to Myrtle Beach MD and had to stop numerous times due to discomfort. I traded the Goldwing for a 2022 Indian Roadmaster Limited in March of this year and we both like it better than the Goldwing. I'll admit that I did like the DCT, reverse and the better wind protection of the Goldwing, but that is all. The Roadmaster Limited is much more comfortable and user friendly from a controls perspective and I'm a techie. I wish I had waited for the Pursuit with the fixed fairing and liquid cooling but I still like the Roadmaster Limited better than the Goldwing overall.
I am finding your evaluations of the bikes very fair. The questions I’ve had, you answered. I’m a Goldwing fan but, I’m always looking for that better bike. So far, like you, I haven’t found it.
Really enjoyed the video, I thought you were very thorough and fair. As a goldwing owner over the years I would probably still go with the wing. But the Pursuit looks like a great bike for sure.
Well Mr CMan, I do love your videos on the Goldwings. I’m a GSA man myself but love all the content you put out. Keep up the great work my friend and thank you 👍👍👍👍
Very fair review - I own neither, but I love the look of the Indian, and to me the Goldwing 1500 in wineberry red will always be the one I would like to buy.
Great video. I have a 21 Callenger Limited. My wife loves the back seat and says it's the most comfortable of all the bikes we have owned. Also, we have done the longest rides together on the Challenger. I appreciated your honest review.
Hi Chris, congrats for another great video. I owned a 2019 Goldwing and I always take into consideration all your qualified comments and upgrade suggestions for this bike. I think one item that is important in the comparison is the performance between both bikes. If you need to overtake a car or a long truck on some roads the bike response is very important, also for safety reasons. If you have some feedback about the overtaking performance of both bikes I will appreciate. Greetengs from Argentina!
Well, here goes. From a ‘06 Goldwing, to a Victory Magnum, to a BMW 1600 B, to finally this amazing Indian Pursuit that I picked up new at dealer Sunday. Seat comfort is extremely hard , as new seat is not broken in at all. The Corbin on the bmw wins this. Smooth ride is awesome on this Indian. Adjustable load settings and ride modes help but the Indian does not feel “squeeshy” on cruise /standard like the bmw did. Stereo is amazing where the bmw completely was trash. Bike infotainment screen, information and size (it does matter!) , wins with Indian. Sounds awesome, handles well. Parking lot maneuver takes much more handle bar swing and tight circles don’t seem easy. Stops smooth, take off is a little sluggish, but torque and power are not lacking after that. ( remember I’m breaking this beast in, so nothing dramatic yet). Black metallic color, same as bmw. I agree, that Indian doesn’t seem to have as much lustre. Driver comfort is much better for reach, and control usage. Navigation: hhhmm… Garmin wins. Indians attempt is confusing, and cannot find my house twice in the same day. Road stability goes to Indian with handling going to BMW. Oh yea,.. my Goldwing was sluggish, too heavy and cumbersome in parking lots. Stereo on wing was adequate at best. On the road, Goldwing was amazing and comfort beat all these bikes, but the ass still gets numb with hot spots. Lighting , I give to bmw for night vision.. Goldwing was equal. This stock Indian will need running lights, and some side lighting under bags for the side vision. Fuel economy goes to the Wing at steady 40mpg, 38.6 to bmw, and 36 so far on on Indian. Anyway, this is my initial opinion after 250 miles from new. Thanks for the great video!!!
Very thorough review and detailed review! I would think in todays world the Goldwing engineers would try to improve the dash and display. It was quite impressive on the Indian.
I agree! I just bought a 2023 Goldwing and so disappointed in the info screen. Can't even see a digital speed readout. Having to look at a dial again is so disappointing. I'll mount my Zumo XT to get that feature back at least.
As usual you did a great job comparing and explaining your reasoning behind your decision. Very throughout. No bikes are perfect. You could not talk about long term reliability but I have a friend that own a Challenger for 2 years an has electronic issue when he rides in the rain. Also some problem with the screen display flickering and disappearing. Of course the dealership is over 200km 120miles away. He loves the bike better then his 2 previous HD but very frustrated about electronic issues that the dealer can not fix as of yet. Warranty is almost over too. Ride Safe Always!
I sold my challenger even though it was really fun to ride. The fuel gauge never worked and dealers are few and far between. The gps many times tried to put me on dirt roads on the blue ridge parkway.
I own a 2021 Goldwing Tour DCT and I purchased it new. First thing I did was drop the dang thing which cost me another $800 to repair all the damage. The engine & saddlebag guards didn’t do a thing. What finally stopped the bike was the rear view mirror and grips. A few months later I managed to do the same thing to the other side. I have done some research on these guards just to find Honda’s design engineer saying, “If you do anything at all to try and stop the bike the guards will stop the bike from going over any further”. Also, if you liked the wind and rain protection of previous Goldwing’s, well that’s gone. You will have to purchase some wind deflector s to come anywhere close to the protection you had before. Yes, the radio, bluetooth, and GPS suck. I have owned several Goldwing’s, but this one is a love/hate relationship.
That's odd, I've dropped my 18 Goldwing once and it tipped over once and both times the guards kept it in place without any damage. I guess yours went over a lot harder
I have had 2 Harley CVO touring bikes, then a ‘18 Goldwing Tour DCT which was totaled in November 2021. The Goldwing was the best bike I have ever rode. The suspension was awesome but could’ve used a little tweaking to make it better. I then purchased a ‘22 Goldwing Tour DCT. I felt the ‘22 had a slightly bumpier ride with the change in the suspension bumper on the shocks. So I purchased the Traxxion Dynamics suspension system upgrade. It was way to firm for me. Contacted them and got sent lighter springs, which improved the ride quality some but still to firm for mi liking. So going to measure the stock springs and compare to the Traxxion springs to see if they will fit the Traxxion shocks. If they are the same height and diameter, I will attempt that set up for a bit. If the Indian Pursuit would have been released sooner, I probably would have purchased it instead. However, I would really miss the DCT of the Goldwing.
Dana: I thought the Traxxion suspension on my 2018 DCT was too stiff also. I installed their new manual preload adjuster for the rear shock and significantly improved the ride.
@@craignixon2180 that might be the answer for me, but I’m waiting for a response to my email I sent today to see what they suggest. I previously installed their top case relocation kit and I had to remove the case and tighten all the hardware because the vibration caused by the suspension being too stiff caused all the bolts to come loose. So far I have had no issues with Traxxion and their customer support. Just waiting to see what they suggest. The manual adjuster might be the answer, or trying an even lighter spring set than they sent me. I was contemplating on putting the stock springs on their shocks. However, the stock front spring looks smaller in diameter than what Traxxion provided. So not sure if it would even fit over the shock. And I’m not going to tear the bike apart to find out that it won’t fit, as I already mailed the original springs from the Traxxion set back to them.
From owning both the Wing is way better on wind / rain protection. Way better. I did put 20” windscreen on my wing. Seat - Challenger was bad, but I have Ultimate on my wing.
Love my Gold wing DTC. Wife hates the seat and harsh ride in the back. I am keeping the DTC, trading my wife in on an Indian…
Man has his priorities straight :D
I’m thinking on a Goldwing and the reason is for my wife to be comfortable plus I like it as well. I now am second guessing weather or I should buy one . I thought goldwings were the standard for comfort
I traded mine for a chevy 1/2 ton, smaller box and A smoother ride..😅😂😅
DCT.
ahaha LOL
Mr. Cruiseman, I really enjoyed your comparison. Seemed subjective but honest to me. At age 85, I'm very happy with my 2018 GW DCT with a Motor Trike conversion. Going to see if I can ride until age 100!
I think you will!
I disagree strongly. I think your analysis was fair, balanced and as objective as possible. So many guys are so brand loyal that they demonstrate an obvious bias, but you however, did not!
Very good comparison but, what about performance?
I traded a 2013 Victory Cross Country Tour in on a 21 GW Tour DCT because I was impressed with the DCT and torque of the Honda. And on paper, it was the best touring bike out there based on my research. I quickly figured out I didn't like the riding position, the saddlebag storage makes no sense and is small, and I thought wind management was poor. Fit and finish was nice and the bike was fun to ride. My wife did not like the passenger area. We stopped into an Indian dealer while out on my Honda and test rode a 21 Indian Challenger Limited..... I bought it. I kept both for a few months but 99% of the time I chose to throw my leg over the Challenger. I sold the Honda with only 500 miles on it. The Challenger is a better fit for me. I agree with most of Cruiseman's review, (BTW, Thanks for your content. I watched all your stuff when I had the Honda) but he gave some points to Honda that aren't important to me. Center stand...I only used it in my garage. Phone storage area...both are equal. A Note 10+ fits equally into both. Passenger seating...my wife rode on both bikes and the Indian with tour pack was hands down better for her. Top heavy...I actually felt like the Honda was more top heavy than the Challenger. Maybe it's because you sit more "on" the GW and more "in" the Indian. To each his own. I have 15K miles on the Challenger and am happy with my choice but I can see how some might prefer the Goldwing. It's nice that we have options!
Glad you found the bike that fits your style!
Terry
Thanks for your viewpoint. Physically do you mind giving height& weight dimensions. I am considering GW, K1600 and Indian models.
@@markrowe6672 I'm 5'11, 260lbs, 32 inch inseam.
It's hard to find a replacement for a Victory XCT with all it's leg room and storage. If I ever replace mine both of these bikes are at the top of my list.
I don’t mean to be disrespectful because I really liked your post, but like you I bought a Victory Vegas along with my Goldwing and felt the rug pulled out from me when Polaris discontinued Victory and bought Indian. I wouldn’t put my trust in Polaris not doing that again.
i own a 19 goldwing and the only thing better than the indian is the reverse and the motor and handling, the indian infotainment destroys everything out there, suspension hands down the best keeps the wind off you the best and more comfortable
I think you missed the fact that the Pursuit has a cooled seat and the Goldwing has a washboard for a passenger seat.
I rode a Victory Vision for a bit,,, I am now on a GL 1800 ,,, but I'll say this about the Vision ,,, AWESOME BIKE ,,, the indian motorcyle takeover was politically shmoozed ! The indian is a high dollar force for Polaris ,,, . As it is ,,, I am excited about my Goldwing default ! Thank You indian ,,,
Great review, Chris, as usual. I love your clarity on the differences between objective points, and personal subjective points. You clearly are making a huge effort to not "lead" the viewer to a pre-ordained conclusion. Nice job.
I sold my challenger due to a number of issues. nav frequently got lost on main roads, throttle response at times acted like it was not connected, fuel economy was high 20s when riding one up at normal speeds, plugging an android phone into USB port to charge it while riding caused problems with the phone, and at 5 foot 8 inches tall, the reach to handle bars is extreme and limited my ability to turn handlebars. never had any issues with a goldwing
Smooth move!
You can get short reach bars for the Challenger.
@@nattcharles they were not available when I looked for them, supply issues I was told plus $$ for install and the electronic issues made the bike almost unrideable. One of the many that had unresolveable software issues.
Throttle was fixed with the flash. Did you get the flash?
@@cartrack730 got rid of the bike without the flash being done. Too many other issues with the electronics that made me hesitant to ride more than 50 miles from home. Always got the no problems found and the next time I would ride the bike, a new one would pop up.
I'm still in love with my Challenger. No issues after 17,000 miles. The clear coat is very soft on the bike. I had it ceramic coated to help with that. I get about 39MPG in sport mode on the daily rides and have gotten 42 on long highway rides.
It's a solid bike that I will be holding on to for a while.
Very good and fair comparison. I had a 2020 Challenger Limited and traded it for my current 2021 Gold Wing 6 speed Tour. I love my Gold Wing, but do miss aspects of the Challenger. To me they are different enough to be in separate classes. Super smooth flat six vs a nice big v twin.
Having owned both the goldwing and Roadmaster, both have different area’s of strength. Both comfortable and powerful. Comes down to preferred riding style “feet forward” and styling! I prefer the American design and built Roadmaster!
Stick a 126 Lloyd'z kit in your Roadie', you will not regret it!
Yes, fair. I have 21 Goldwing tour dct. I love it. I had a 17 Road Glide Ultra. The Pursuit seems like the perfect compromise between the two, and intrigues me quite a lot. Finances suggest I should remain grateful for what I have... But if the Honda gives me any trouble, I'll probably take a closer look. The one thing that I really do appreciate is the low speed weight distribution... The bike feels so much lighter just because the weight is down low. It's glorious, and I never thought I'd care before. I do now.
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My thoughts as well...
That’s important to me, also. I’d like a better radio and updated infotainment screen on the Goldwing. That said, when you’re maneuvering to park on a steeply crowned road or parking lot with a group of big-bike riders all struggling to do the same thing, you appreciate the low center of gravity and reverse/forward crawl mode!
I owned a 2019 GW 6speed tour. Which was a great bike . And i had a couple of issues that were repaired under warranty. I sold it for a HONDA AFRICA TWIN DCT. I recently bought a 2003 Kawasaki Voyager with 12k miles and it had a Diamond custom seat.And all the options I would put on it. It gets 42 mpg. It doesn't and never will handle like a GW but I can put just as many miles on it in a day as I did my 2019 GW. Very simple to change oil and get to the battery and air filter. Someone replaced the speakers so you can still hear the radio when you pass a truck.
Best part i paid $3k for it , that makes me grin going down the road. To each there own.
I'm on a 1200gs right now and a streetglide 107 before this one. The Harley blew up at 18k miles hence the bmw. I've been thinking heavily on a GW as I'm 70 and my adventures are more comfortable these days. That Indian sounds really nice though. Thanks for the comparison, it was helpfull.
Great comparison of two fine machines. I am a current HD owner with two HD that are getting older (2003 & 2005). I owned a GW years ago and it was a fine machine. I test rode one a short time ago, but feel cramped with my legs not in the forward position. I recently took the new BMW tourer with the boxer engine, but after a half hour had to get off and stretch my legs due to the angle, perhaps I am getting too old. The Pursuit is on my short list and I look forward to a test drive.
I’ve got a Transcontinental and the leg rests make a world of difference (I’m 6’1”, 240 lbs).
Great review. I’ve owned a Roadmaster and several Goldwings. Currently I have a Goldwing Trike. I agreed with everything in your review but I also realize all riders have different priorities when it comes to the things they look for in a bike. I ride a trike do to medical issues. At the end of the day the thing that means the most to me is reliability and cost. The Goldwing wins hands down. But again, just my experiences.
That’s why it’s so important to have a bunch of different perspectives and dealers that actually allow long solo test drives
I am not a fan of the latest Goldwing, but the previous incarnation is great. My vote is for that over the Indian. My brother has the Indian and we occasionally swap for fun and I like it, but the Goldwing is still the one that gets my vote. Good review !!
A couple of the other Posters would probably be happier with the older GW. It still handles great, has larger storage capacity, very reliable and built in U.S.A. until 2006(ish?).
Thanks for your in-depth review. I own a 2015 F6B Deluxe (ridden 60,000 miles) and a 2012 GL1800 (which we had triked with the CSC kit 2 years ago, ridden 101,000 miles total). I have to say, after hearing your comments about the new generation Goldwings (2018+), I think I still prefer the 2nd Gen GL1800's (F6B and Goldwing - 2012 thru 2017). I personally like the styling of the prior generation, and it sounds like the maintenance is far easier. As for "tech", my 2 older Goldwings are just fine with a Garmin Zumo that I can instantly switch between the two, and bluetooth integration to the speakers via an small, inexpensive bluetooth transmitter/receiver that I got on Amazon. Also, I am averaging 42 mpg on the F6B; with a 6.6 gallon tank which gives me a range of 275 miles - 33 mpg on the Trike; with a 10 gallon tank for a range of 330 miles. In many ways, I think Honda went backward on the 2018+ models. Thanks again, Cruiseman - ride safe.
Fantastic review. Very well balanced. The only thing it cant tell you about is reiability. I have had many Honda motorcycles one of which was a Gold Wing and currently own an Indian Vintage and a Scout. We purchased the Indians for the styling and history and that they deliver in that regard. But both have had more problems than all the Hondas combined. Issues have been numerous recalls for saftey issues such as bad neutral switch causing the bike to lurch forward as it is in gear, faulty switches that are not weather proof causing poor or no starting, cannot toggle displays due to the switch failure, starter solenoid failure. Some issues are design on these two bikes such as poor handeling on the Vintage, such as rake causing poor handeling. By comparison the 1981 Wing was purchased in the UK, shipped to Canada before being ridden to the southern tip of south America and back to Canada only requireing spark plugs, oil changes, air cleaners and tires. Honda dealer network for service is far superior and you can phone Honda and talk to a tech. Last time I spoke to Indian they told me techs dont speak to customers. I was stranded when the fob de programmed and the bike wont start. No local dealer able to fix it in Texas so have to trailer it hundreds of miles. Also never had a really bad Honda dealer but have had two really bad ones in Texas though really good in other places.
My opinion is if you are buying it to ride rather than the electronics or to be seen styling buy the Honda.
Good comment. I have never owned an Indian, but I have two friends that do. I know both have had minor nuisance issues with their bikes but I don’t recall exactly what. I currently own a Harley Electra Glide and an 08 GoldWing GL1800. I love them both for very different reasons but if I had to choose one over the other, I would keep the Wing. No question
Really enjoyed your comment. From time to time I think about updating to a new Goldwing, even though there's nothing really wrong with my old one, a 1980 GL1100. It would be nice to have a power adjustable windscreen, and a fairing with better high speed stability & lower drag. Other than that - the GL1100 is just about as close to perfect as I can imagine. I consider that model to be the first, best transcontinental adventure bike. I had a knobby on it for a while and found out it wasn't too shabby off road - although you're not going to win any races against a two-stroke RM250 in the dirt, I still never got stuck in mud or wet grassy ditches in the rain. And it still runs like new, although it's not faster than any Harley anymore since Harley engines have steadily increased power over the last few years. I just have to come to terms with the fact that it's no longer the Mike Tyson of heavyweight motorcycles anymore. It's a big adjustment to fall from that throne. Maybe I'll just modify the fairing + windscreen & call it a day
@@jackandblaze5956 …. Haha! Sometimes we have to fall hard to face reality. That was funny
Nice job on the review. 2021 DCT here. Agreed: the tech needs to be streamlined. Owned a 2016 Indian Chieftain Darkhorse - will never buy another Indian. Mine ran super hot all the time. Thankfully the Pursuit is liquid cooled but I doubt seriously it’s as cool running as the GW. The feeling I get from the GW cannot be matched by another touring bike in my humble opinion.
Another really nice comparison review! Very thorough and detailed. Good job!
I have a 2020 Goldwing DCT and I can't see me ever going back to a manual transmission, however I also have a 12012 Kawasaki 900 Vulcan for local commuting. I always seem to have trouble finding neutral (and that applies to all of the bikes I have owned over the years). One thing I like about the Honda is its low centre of gravity, the top heavy feel of the Indian concerns me. I do like the look of the tech though, so it might be a quick trip to my local Indian dealer for a test ride, just to make sure I am not pre judging too harshly. Great review with lots of (to me anyway) really relevant points.
Love these comparisons.
Still undecided but Goldwing has been the dream machine in my head for so long..currently riding a cruiser.
Go for it!
I just switched from a VTX to a bagger Goldwing love it do it u won't regret it.
Good evaluation, road tested the 2022 DTC and liked it "better then the first addition of the DTC" hope to test ride the Pursuit next year.
I’m trying to decide between these two bikes and I’m going to wait until the 25 Goldwing comes out so I can compare it to the latest pursuit. I keep my bikes for about 10 years so I want to get it right. The technology, riding position and storage as well as pillion comfort are going to score the highest in my own scoring. That automatic DCT transmission on the Goldwing is pretty sweet and I’d really like to give it a try if they can get their tech, pillion comfort, and storage where it needs to be.
Currently I have a 2021 Indian Chief Vintage; I had a 2018 Goldwing DCT for three years, prior to that I'd had three Harley Road Glides, 2000's vintage Triumphs, 60's vintage Triumphs, various older Hondas, even a trike . The Goldwing's engine technology was far superior , in all regards, to H.D.'s and Indians - except for the "rumble".
When it came to low speed maneuvering I found Honda's DCT was a liability, the ability to "feather' the clutch on my other bikes afforded a definite advantage!
The principle disadvantage of the Honda was its "sport tourer" layout much like BMW's. I felt like a cramped jockey! It is always much more comfortable sitting upright with my feet in front of me or even, using highway pegs and adjustable backrests, a laid-back, Easy Rider position, especially on long trips.
I'm 76 years young and have been riding since I was 14. I think that the best bike would be a H.D. Road Glide or Indian Pursuit with Indian's electronics and Honda's Goldwing engine/drive line. Oh yeah, and Garmin's navigation!
I have a 2022 base challenger. Had a 2019 Chieftain before it but the heat was a deal breaker. I keep track of every filk up on my vehicals and this chalkenger runs around 5.5-6.0 L/100km. US gal=3.8 Litres. The ride command is excellent and you can even display weather radar on your gps nav page and i find it excellent - i flew for a living for 40 years so i am familiar with it. Different kind of radar but i am impressed. This is my second challenger. The first i had a major electronic problem that after months in the service dept could not be fixed so Indian replaced the bike. You cannot get better customer support than what i received from Indian. Through the process Indian was totally upfront with their attempts to rectify things with absolutely no bs. Both the manufacturer and my excellent dealer. I have zero complaints. Things break and a complicated bike is no exception. I wish it had reverse gear. I'm 71 and envy the reverse on Honda and bmw. Imho the headlight sucks. I added driving lights. The only thing that might cause me to not buy anther Indian is the lack of a reverse gear.
Chris, great comparison presentation. I too would select the GW if I was buying new. Why, the paint, the balance at slow speed, and 89 octane fuel, those three things are deal killers for me on the Indian. However, if I was a V twin guy, much better than HD.
Thanks for the great review.....I am on my 4th Goldwing but am really upset about how the storage has decreased in the Goldwing (I currently have a 2000 GL1500SE) and I can fit a my backpack in the saddle bag. I couldn't do that on the newer Goldwings so I have seen advertisements for the Indian, but as you pointed out in your review, I would have no idea where to go in my large city to even look at one. In fact until the commercials on my phone, I didn't even know Indian was still in existence. I certainly will find a dealer and check it out based on your review. Thanks again.
I don't really have any input on this comparison as I only have an older GL1500 Goldwing but I wanted to say how impressed I was with your presentation and objectivity! I look forward to more videos, new subscriber 👍
Great Review. I have had a Pursuit DH Premium for little over a month and 7000 km (4300 miles) on the road in that time. I agree 100% on the paint, though I have the Black Smoke Dark Horse. The paint is matt black that doesn't have a scuff problem. but a few parts that are shiny black like the trunk handle area, which had something rub against it and rub off the paint! The cargo rack is also a shiny black and after the first long trip with a tightly tied down small duffle bag, it was covered with scuffs and shallow scratches. that's coming off this winter to properly powder coat. Re: Lighting, I had the extra lower drive lights added - it's like night and day improvement. As for high centre of gravity, I found I had a completely different experience. My other bike I've put on 100000 km is a 2005 BMW K1200LT which weighs about the same. but the COG on that BMW is so high it's criminal. It's been a real pleasure with the Indian's low COG in my opinion. The only thing I really miss is the Reverse the BMW had and the Pursuit doesn't.
I also had a 2005 BMW K1200LT and totally agree the COG was far too high, that is why I am so happy with my Goldwing, also why I am a little concerned about the Indian, I am going to have to go test it to see how it is. The high COG on the BMW was only really a concern at low speeds I must say. It was great on long distances (I rode across Australia on mine, from west to east and back, and clocked up many miles on other trips, I just didn't like it at low speed).
I like your approach to comparing similar motorcycles and your reviews sound fair. Well done, then!
Don’t own an Indian pursuit but I do own a Victory XCT which a person could claim is the previous gen pursuit. The higher passenger seating does allow passenger to also be to see what’s ahead. While mine doesn’t have a factory adjustable windshield, I did add a manual windshield, my wife has told me wind is not an issue.
Great video. You did a great job pointing out small but important stuff that veteran riders definitely wanna see. That battery tender is awesome
Great review. These are the only two bikes I found that could replace my Victory Vision. As advanced as the Vision was in 2008 it's starting to fall behind compared to the 2022 Goldwing and Pursuit. Now I need to decide if I want Goldwing's DCT with reverse and walk or the Pursuit's Tech and ease of use. Thanks for the detailed review.
Thought he said he has a 2018 Goldwing not 2022 as opposed to a current model Indian.
@@barrygattenhof9903 , Yes he has a 2018 GW. But I'm interested in a current Wing or Pursuit not a 2018.
Yea, but the Vision has that unique styling though. I like it, personally.
I'm a Gold Winger for 600K. I hate the new one. Love the engine and drive train. Hate the ride. The seat. Smaller luggage because I travel. The windshield is a joke!!
I agree I love old-school Indians like the Roadmaster and the only other bike I would travel across the country would be a 2017 Wing the last generation just like my Master it has lots of storage and rides like a Mercedes like my Roadmaster sure my Roadmaster looks better to me subjective but the old Wing has a proven track record and is also beautiful to look at in its own futuristic way. if I was rich I would have a 2016 or 17 the last of the previous generation wing a 2020 Harley Heritage and Deluxe with pearl white paint and white walls an Old Indian Chief and a Yamaha Transcontinental and a Victory Tour best V-Twin engine ever made the 106 or 108 can not remember right now lol getting old..
Extremely fair evaluation. Very comprehensive evaluation. I appreciate how you explain your evaluation based on your style.
Great honest comparison. Congrats Chris. Very accurate and informative. Greets from Yucatan, Mexico
Excellent, detailed, and fair comparison. Well done sir!
HTSC (Honda SELECTABLE TORQUE CONTROL)
Honda Selectable Torque Control system can detect imminent traction loss in the rear wheel and reduce torque to allow the tire to grip.
Nice review, Cruiseman! I think your review was fair and impartial. You did a good job! I'm thinking about getting an Indian Challenger as a second bike but to never replace my 2018 Honda Goldwing Tour DCT Airbag! And yes, I've test rode a Challenger twice with some distance. In regards to cost of purchase, let me tell you something people should be aware of. Both companies charge for shipping and setup; however, when the pandemic hit and logistics became a problem, Indian corporate began charging a surcharge for shipping. Here we are over two years later and the Indian corporate are charging purchasers a $800 fee above and dealership's shipping and setup charges! This fact stopped me from buying during the pandemic and have me thinking twice about buying one now even though one dealership has the perfect one for me. Thanks for sharing!
Both bikes are wonderful!!.. I'm a die hard Goldwing fan. I enjoy your reviews. 🏍️☺️🇱🇷
So an update on the pricing. A 2023 Goldwing DCT is $35, 369 in my province (the site asks for province so maybe the cost varies province to province), and the Goldwing DCT with Airbag is $37,969. Not sure if the Indian has an air bag but at a dealer in Vancouver it is listed from $38K to just over $44K.
While a good comparison of features and functions, the biggest missing factor is riding style. What will you use the bike for. Both will eat highway miles but if you want to ride the twisties aggressively, the Wing is a much more capable Sport Tourer. Even more so with a suspension upgrade.
That was the best thought out and constructed video comparing these bikes I’ve ever seen! Wow! Thankyou so much….you covered every aspect
Great review! Much appreciate the clear and concise way you approach each point in the discussion. I have been considering the pursuit and not even interested at all in a gold wing, but you got me thinking...more options!
If I had the money. I would buy both Bikes! Thank you for the great review!
Great video and I really dig your objective style. I was torn a couple years ago and went with the Challenger limited. Approaching 20K trouble free miles.
Very nice job on this Vlog. I haven't ridden either one but am interested in both. Currently riding an R1200RT water cooled which I really like a lot. You probably said but I don't remember hearing the weight of these 2 bikes. Super heavy for sure but I can look it up. Thank You for some great input.
To my surprise, the regular Challenger is almost as heavy as the Goldwing Tour! I wouldn't be surprised to find the Pursuit weighs more than the Goldwing.
I have a 2018 goldwing and believe you are spot on with your appraisal of it’s electronics. Honda should have done so much more with the GPS, bluetooth connectivity, ridiculous radio, and provided a display that is customizable. The only other thing I dislike about the wing that Honda should have done better is that damned seat. You mention the Honda dealer network is a plus, but in my negative experience with the dealers I’ve encountered, they have been as bad as any shady used car dealer I’ve seen. I believe one thing that stands out with the Honda is that it handles well enough outside of the touring realm to be a daily driver. I sold my VTX1300 when I found I only put 200 miles on it last year; the goldwing handles so well around town, I just preferred it most of the time.
I ride a Goldwing professionally and I have been looking at the Pursuit for my leisure riding. I believe this a very honest and fair assessment of the differences, thank you!
Professionally???? Where do I sign up for this job?
I like the way you did this video. All the information was very informative. But one thing you did that I really liked. It may seem trivial, but you stopping the video for the commercial break was great. I hate when I'm watching a video and all of a sudden I'm watching an advertisement with virtually no break in between.
Having said that. I've always liked the Goldwings even though I've never owned one. But, I felt bad when they changed the styling to make it more modernistic and less of a Touring bike. The older model Goldwings had more storage in their saddlebags and trunk. I was sort of surprised with the new model being pretty skimpy on that. Well, that's just my opinion.
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Nice review have ridden Indians nice bikes. Have friends that have left Harley for Indian and their happy.
I just bought a used Goldwing plan on burning some road up next couple of years..
Excellent review. Very fair and highly informative. (2018 DCT Tour owner).
I had a GW and had to give it up as I have trouble straddling the wider engine as I have gotten older and have a 29inch inseam. With that being said, I have ridden an Indian and that lower seat height really helps. So, if you are not 5'10' or so, check out the Indian in my opinion would be a better choice.
Great unbiased and fair review, here in the UK the Indian Pursuit Limited cost £27.695 with a 5 year warranty, the Honda Gold Wing Tour manual 6 speed cost £29.349, DCT cost £32.449 3 year warranty, so over here the Indian is cheaper by £1.654/ £4804. I'm a bit biased as I already own an Indian Chieftain, I'd go for the Pursuit, but the Wing is a brilliant bike!
Fair review. Learned some things and was entertained. Hard to beat. Thank you
I test rode a Challenger at Bikes Blues and BBQ. It was a nice ride full of American character. But I'll be honest, I didn't love it. When I got back on my Goldwing, I was happy again. A friend of mine and I swapped bikes for a bit, and his comment was essentially this.. "the Goldwing is simply a precise machine. It does exactly what you want it to do with almost no effort." I agree.
I've never owned an Indian but I have an 08' GW. I Love the Wing but I had to add Hwy pegs to stretch my legs & bad knees. I have a friend who has a Springfield & a Roadmaster and he would never ride anything else. I'm different in that I Will ride just about anything. I appreciate that a Total GW freak like yourself were Very fair to the Indian. You surprised me on that. Excellent comparison, CruiseMan..
Thanks!
Once again another Excellent review. I dont see how anyone could do a more fair comparison
Cruiseman,
Happy Christmas!
Thank you for your reviews. One critique. You give points for each feature / attribute in your reviews. Giving points treats each attribute as being of equal importance (value) to the potential buyer. May I suggest that you first create a weighting for each attribute that you will be reviewing. (Total of attribute weightings = 100).This attribute weighting would be personal to you. Discussing the weightings before you give points will provide a deeper meaning to the final score comparison when each score is multiplied by the weighting and then totaled at the end. Adding a weighting to each attribute would give your reviews more depth and meaning as it relates to future purchase intentions.
Great channel!
Jonathan
Have the 2017 GW with the large f4 windshield. My wife still complains about wind blowing her headband off her head. I was looking at the Indian but we never got the chance to ride one to test drive. Great review, and I will be looking forward to your next one.
I have to say. I Love my 21 Indian Challenger Limited. I think your comparison was probably fair, especially in the fact that you stress that a lot of the scoring was personal preference. Great detailed video so kudos to you.
Have a 2021 Goldwing, I was admiring the luggage rack on trunk! Point for the Pursuit.
I Love The Pursuit is amazing
Love from Mississippi USA 🇺🇲
Fair and accurate. I was leaning towards an Indian. I now see why the GW is what I own and will buy again.
I'm a Gal not a Guy. Many women also Goldwings and other touring bikes. I liked the video, lots of information.
I traded my 2011 Yamaha VSTAR 1300 Tourer for a leftover 2018 Goldwing Tour DCT in 2020. I've ridden my Yamaha from Maine to Sturgis SD, 3 times pulling a small trailer and my wife on the back without any issues (always 3 days out and 4 days back at 2200+ miles each way). My wife and I rode the Goldwing from Maine to Myrtle Beach MD and had to stop numerous times due to discomfort.
I traded the Goldwing for a 2022 Indian Roadmaster Limited in March of this year and we both like it better than the Goldwing. I'll admit that I did like the DCT, reverse and the better wind protection of the Goldwing, but that is all. The Roadmaster Limited is much more comfortable and user friendly from a controls perspective and I'm a techie.
I wish I had waited for the Pursuit with the fixed fairing and liquid cooling but I still like the Roadmaster Limited better than the Goldwing overall.
Another Great Review Cruise Man. Thank you.
I am finding your evaluations of the bikes very fair. The questions I’ve had, you answered. I’m a Goldwing fan but, I’m always looking for that better bike. So far, like you, I haven’t found it.
100%!
i love these series. Please do one with the bmw r18 transcontinental 😊
Really enjoyed the video, I thought you were very thorough and fair.
As a goldwing owner over the years I would probably still go with the wing.
But the Pursuit looks like a great bike for sure.
Would love to know how you feel about the comparison of the 6 speed manual that Gold Wing offers to the Pursuits 6 speed?
I think I would prefer the Indian however, one thing I would really like the Indian to have would be backlit buttons
Well Mr CMan, I do love your videos on the Goldwings. I’m a GSA man myself but love all the content you put out. Keep up the great work my friend and thank you 👍👍👍👍
Wow, what a great and unbiased review. I’ve had wings back to ‘98 and love them. But that pursuit sure looks good. Thanks for all the detail!
Very fair review - I own neither, but I love the look of the Indian, and to me the Goldwing 1500 in wineberry red will always be the one I would like to buy.
Fabulous review….best motovlogger comparo I’ve watched, keep up the good work
Great video. I have a 21 Callenger Limited. My wife loves the back seat and says it's the most comfortable of all the bikes we have owned. Also, we have done the longest rides together on the Challenger. I appreciated your honest review.
Good choice!
I recently bought the Challenger and my iPhone 13Pro Max fits without any issue in the cubby storage.
Hi Chris, congrats for another great video. I owned a 2019 Goldwing and I always take into consideration all your qualified comments and upgrade suggestions for this bike. I think one item that is important in the comparison is the performance between both bikes. If you need to overtake a car or a long truck on some roads the bike response is very important, also for safety reasons. If you have some feedback about the overtaking performance of both bikes I will appreciate. Greetengs from Argentina!
Thanks for the comparison. I was looking forward to this and you did not disappoint 👍
Very fair review. Very comprehensive. But your video editing skills are quite good!
Well, here goes. From a ‘06 Goldwing, to a Victory Magnum, to a BMW 1600 B, to finally this amazing Indian Pursuit that I picked up new at dealer Sunday. Seat comfort is extremely hard , as new seat is not broken in at all. The Corbin on the bmw wins this. Smooth ride is awesome on this Indian. Adjustable load settings and ride modes help but the Indian does not feel “squeeshy” on cruise /standard like the bmw did. Stereo is amazing where the bmw completely was trash. Bike infotainment screen, information and size (it does matter!) , wins with Indian. Sounds awesome, handles well. Parking lot maneuver takes much more handle bar swing and tight circles don’t seem easy. Stops smooth, take off is a little sluggish, but torque and power are not lacking after that. ( remember I’m breaking this beast in, so nothing dramatic yet). Black metallic color, same as bmw. I agree, that Indian doesn’t seem to have as much lustre. Driver comfort is much better for reach, and control usage. Navigation: hhhmm… Garmin wins. Indians attempt is confusing, and cannot find my house twice in the same day. Road stability goes to Indian with handling going to BMW. Oh yea,.. my Goldwing was sluggish, too heavy and cumbersome in parking lots. Stereo on wing was adequate at best. On the road, Goldwing was amazing and comfort beat all these bikes, but the ass still gets numb with hot spots. Lighting , I give to bmw for night vision.. Goldwing was equal. This stock Indian will need running lights, and some side lighting under bags for the side vision. Fuel economy goes to the Wing at steady 40mpg, 38.6 to bmw, and 36 so far on on Indian. Anyway, this is my initial opinion after 250 miles from new. Thanks for the great video!!!
Great review cruiseman. Im considering trading in my 2018 DCT for a Pursuit. This video provides me with a few more data points
Very thorough review and detailed review! I would think in todays world the Goldwing engineers would try to improve the dash and display. It was quite impressive on the Indian.
I agree! I just bought a 2023 Goldwing and so disappointed in the info screen. Can't even see a digital speed readout. Having to look at a dial again is so disappointing. I'll mount my Zumo XT to get that feature back at least.
As usual you did a great job comparing and explaining your reasoning behind your decision. Very throughout. No bikes are perfect. You could not talk about long term reliability but I have a friend that own a Challenger for 2 years an has electronic issue when he rides in the rain. Also some problem with the screen display flickering and disappearing. Of course the dealership is over 200km 120miles away. He loves the bike better then his 2 previous HD but very frustrated about electronic issues that the dealer can not fix as of yet. Warranty is almost over too.
Ride Safe Always!
I sold my challenger even though it was really fun to ride. The fuel gauge never worked and dealers are few and far between. The gps many times tried to put me on dirt roads on the blue ridge parkway.
I really loved your video Man well done
Gold wing all day every day…. Honda is always the best
Really nice video about 2 bikes 🏍
Thank You 😊!
Great analysis. Thanks for your insight.
I own a 2021 Goldwing Tour DCT and I purchased it new. First thing I did was drop the dang thing which cost me another $800 to repair all the damage. The engine & saddlebag guards didn’t do a thing. What finally stopped the bike was the rear view mirror and grips. A few months later I managed to do the same thing to the other side. I have done some research on these guards just to find Honda’s design engineer saying, “If you do anything at all to try and stop the bike the guards will stop the bike from going over any further”. Also, if you liked the wind and rain protection of previous Goldwing’s, well that’s gone. You will have to purchase some wind deflector s to come anywhere close to the protection you had before. Yes, the radio, bluetooth, and GPS suck. I have owned several Goldwing’s, but this one is a love/hate relationship.
Max at Traxxion is working on some aftermarket tip-over bars.
That's odd, I've dropped my 18 Goldwing once and it tipped over once and both times the guards kept it in place without any damage. I guess yours went over a lot harder
I have had 2 Harley CVO touring bikes, then a ‘18 Goldwing Tour DCT which was totaled in November 2021. The Goldwing was the best bike I have ever rode. The suspension was awesome but could’ve used a little tweaking to make it better. I then purchased a ‘22 Goldwing Tour DCT. I felt the ‘22 had a slightly bumpier ride with the change in the suspension bumper on the shocks. So I purchased the Traxxion Dynamics suspension system upgrade. It was way to firm for me. Contacted them and got sent lighter springs, which improved the ride quality some but still to firm for mi liking. So going to measure the stock springs and compare to the Traxxion springs to see if they will fit the Traxxion shocks. If they are the same height and diameter, I will attempt that set up for a bit. If the Indian Pursuit would have been released sooner, I probably would have purchased it instead. However, I would really miss the DCT of the Goldwing.
Dana: I thought the Traxxion suspension on my 2018 DCT was too stiff also. I installed their new manual preload adjuster for the rear shock and significantly improved the ride.
@@craignixon2180 that might be the answer for me, but I’m waiting for a response to my email I sent today to see what they suggest. I previously installed their top case relocation kit and I had to remove the case and tighten all the hardware because the vibration caused by the suspension being too stiff caused all the bolts to come loose. So far I have had no issues with Traxxion and their customer support. Just waiting to see what they suggest. The manual adjuster might be the answer, or trying an even lighter spring set than they sent me. I was contemplating on putting the stock springs on their shocks. However, the stock front spring looks smaller in diameter than what Traxxion provided. So not sure if it would even fit over the shock. And I’m not going to tear the bike apart to find out that it won’t fit, as I already mailed the original springs from the Traxxion set back to them.
I really appreciate your reviews. I currently own a 2020 darkhorse chief. My next purchase will be the pursuit or k1500b
A1 comparison. Bravo, I tell ya. Bravo!!
From owning both the Wing is way better on wind / rain protection. Way better. I did put 20” windscreen on my wing. Seat - Challenger was bad, but I have Ultimate on my wing.
I had my rider and passenger seats redone by Wingsoft. The rider seat is improved somewhat, but the pillion seat is much, much, better.
These are effective reviews…much thanks