I have been collecting and reading comic books for over 46 years, since I was 6 years of age. I have a personal collection of over 20,000 books, have read them all, and have also read many more that I don't personally own. Having said that, it is finally nice to see someone from your generation that understands comic book storytelling and the context required. I agree with you on power scalers. They are completely out of their minds. I just debated someone about the hulk/ironclad fight that took place in an interdimensional nexus. This fight took place directly after the original secret wars in the 1980's. Dr strange had banished the hulk to this place to keep him from harming others. At any rate, the fight was said to "be felt throughout the universe/multiverse/whatever" and the person I was debating took that to mean that hulk's punches could shatter universes. They completely disregarded the fact that the punches being felt everywhere had everything to do with WHERE they were fighting, not how powerful the combatants were. Not to mention the fact that ironclad is a ben grimm level character and his skull cannot ABSORB multiverse shattering punishment. Couldn't get them to see reason. Anyways, I've always been tempted to put my own channel up just to do exactly what you just did in the above vid. Kudos to you.
7:47 The book is not infinite because it only tells one story-the story of the DC universe, which is dying in the comic because of Mandrakk killing all stories. The book tells that end as Ultraman reads it. The book is playing the role of an oracle foretelling doom. This event occurs during a crisis. Crisis events in DC are events where the DC universe is in danger and the future becomes uncertain. The book is simply not infinite because the book sees a future where the heroes lose and the villain wins. CAS superman changes this future.
I remember when Powerscaling was about hypothetical crossovers between two (or more) characters more than the fight. We didn’t actually care who won or if Character X could destroy multiverses. We just wanted to imagine what would happen if our favorite fictional characters met each other. The internet took the act of playing with your action figures and added math, science, and theoretical physics to it. Then used this pseudoscientific tiering system to try to debate about it with strangers online. No one can even agree on Powerscaling terminology and definitions. I like VS Debates casually because crossovers that will never happen are fun. Then the hardcore debaters came in and ruined everything. It became about winning instead of having fun. They’re like that one friend who try hards at every game night even if you’re playing the most basic casual games.
Hey man, I just found your channel and I like how you're helping us figuring out this whole power scaling issue. Something about some of these characters feel off when their entire concept reduced into ooga booga big number by scalers XD I get that it might be fun with you and just your buddies, but oh wow what an experience encountering them in the wild LOL
Using Ewing's Twitter statement about Devil Hulk being unable bust a planet, despite Ewing himself also stating multiple times on Twitter and his own blog that his word online doesnt mean much when it comes to the interpretation of the comic, is crazy work. Also idk why id take Devil Hulk being sub-Green Scar anyway, when hes stated to be the most powerful Hulk. Even if you took "powerful" as meaning something else, hes also called the angriest Hulk has ever been.
Yeah I’ve got a bunch of stuff planned, some really banger content and a lot of controversial ideas, gonna have some fun with this channel and I hope you enjoy it!!!
@@MidnightRants Highly disagree with your video, They didn't get tuned down they were given more restrictions Superman's destructive capacity actually gotten higher since then but I respect your opinion
Man this is refreshing. Ive seen so many arguments divulged into ignoring certain facts to justify another sets of facts. I can't even remember what the argument was but my oppiriontion was saying I was wrong about something because if the author wanted us to know, they would write it that way.
Luigi could one shot Goku. He is somehow faster than anything because in one of the games, he takes control and pilots a space ship that was moving at light speed. Honestly, I want to make a character who has the power to be his opponent's weakness just so I have a character who is street level but can beat multiverse
I don't think your downplaying characters, you're just making them make sense. Although there are some feats Superman can do, even with context, that still makes me go WTF? I think the reason Superman is often overpowered because the point of his character is that often times, then and now, people with powers that are beyond mortal comprehension often go to the bad guys or a normal person and it corrupts them. Superman on the other hand, as a good man, decides to use his busted abilities to help rather than take or conquer. One of the first of his kind created in a time where he was desperately needed, he was actually supposed to be evil and his powers would be more like telepathy(Reign of the Super-Men) until his creators decided to make him the good natured character he is today. In a time where people needed cheering in the sucky era of America(The Great Depression and World War 2) someone like him will always be the one to stand up and fight for good as the Champion of the Oppressed, while also being practically unstoppable. Even when he's confronted with foes that are more powerful than him and there are, he still wouldn't even hesitate and that's the kind of guy he is.
Hey man, really liked the video :) I have an example for you. One day I was responding to a comment under a video, don't remember exactly about what character or what feat, the comment was that superman and wonder woman could break universes with their punches, like literally shatter universes while fighting, I said that it might have been a "little" too much xD was something like "in this panel they clearly punched through universes shettering them" etc. I honestly don't know what they where thinking, I just asked a question "what's the point of fighting and beating the evil guy if to do so you're destroying universes and killing unnumerable living beings? That doesn't defeat the point a little?"
One of the flash's main antagonists is a dude with an ice gun, just a regular dude with an ice gun. And the flash is basically a fkin god and he struggles with this fkin ice gun man. None of this stuff matters, and the writers clearly don't care either.
Best example possible but the writer’s care to an extent. I’m not gonna pretend like every writer is putting the best foot forward for every issue but for Flash specifically they just have in world things they can no longer change without a serious outrage. Flash rouges never do anything too crazy and Flash never tries with them, he just takes care of it and enjoys their dynamic. The rouges are respectful and have their lines they won’t cross and Flash treats most of his enemies fairly well.
Well, this was already addressed in universe, where the Flash has stated that he usually humours his Rogues, especially considering he knows they're harmless, and would never murder anyone, Captain Cold himself, who is the leader of the Rogues has outright stated that he has a no killing code, and they only steal and rob for ulterior reasons that are noble only to them.
Not only I completly agree and think that this needed to be said but even more could be said. I am sure that most of the people who claim these things actually believe what they say but I am also sure that some people have to be doing it on pourpose, it just makes no sense. It is not that in some ocasions they take things out of context but they completly lie about them, give it a reading that its not there or directly make things up that really makes you wonder if they even saw that piece of media when it clearly contradicts what they claim. Some things directly contradict not only the characters struggles but the lots of important plot points or lore information yet they claim thats how it works in said media when its clearly a lie. I am fine with discussing only the fighting capeabilities of someone since you can separate those from the character itself in a disscusion but when it contradits the core elements of what happend in said media just to wank them then i have a problem with it since you are just making things up and rewriting what I like just because you want to claim they are the most powerfull. And the issue isnt only limited to that but the logic they use, not only they lie about the things that happen but they try to wank that logic even more: they have some tiers in wich if they see something that its mentioned in said media they put it in said tier (wether or not it is true or not) above the rest implying they are "better" that the ones below it regardless or how exactly it works said things in the original media or what it can be done with it. If they see the term universe they put them in that tier regardless of what is happening, how it works, what kind of universe it is, how it is related etc.... the same with dimensional stuff, they see the word and they already put it in tiers above and claiming they can do all these things and defeat all these characters, all regardless of how it works or means in that media. Its so dumb. The same way that they also decide to interpretate staments in an unidimensional way focused in power regardless not just of context but with things that havfe nothing to do with power. Per example they see Darth Vader saying that the power to destroy powers is nothing compared to the force and they decide to see as a power statement and claim force users can destroy planets or solar sistems when all throught star wars the force is seen more as guide sort of things, the reason why Vader said so is because the force is sentinent and can decide the course of actions and guide its users, thats how Luke could blow up the Death Star, not because of raw strength but because he was guided by the force while shooting wich is something they represented in many ways both in that first movie but the whole series. And even if he meant it power wise he wouldnt mean he can destroy planets with the force (wich makes no sense, why wasting so much time and resources on the death star then?) but because of how versatil it is and how one can be guided by it being that you would limited by the use of a superweapon with its limits while you can fight armies in a more varied and intelligent way with the force. They are so focused on raw power that they completly see things only in that scale and decide to fit everything in that perspective wether it makes sense or not or the nuances and complexities that they end up dumbing it all down and discussing a made up fake version of the madia they suposedly are talking about and that explains that toxicity, that eagerness to try to wank their characters up and defend their powers because thats the only thing they can see worth in. Thats why they are so toxic to those they disagree or attack other media in those basis and why it is clear to me that they either are making things up knwowingly or that they dont care, it wouldnt make sense otherwise. Last year I ended up liking death battle a lot and it helped with a bad time I was having by then. But after seeing these things and how non esensical or toxic they can get or how in some instances it is so objectively wrong it kinda pushed me back. I even saw it in Kingdom Hearts, my favourite game series. While I could agree that at bare minimum the characters could get around city lever considering what we see in the games up until a high theoretical limit of solar sistem (wich is sckethy since its just where they could posibly be at their max without any real proof that they actually are there) what you see them discuss mostly in these circles is that they are at bare minimun universal up to boudless or outerversal with is ridiculous. They just make things up that contradict what we see, per example they see that Xehanort wanted to reset the world and therefor they claim the he is multiversal in power and can destroy universes and since you fight him the rest of the characters also are. Not only it is representing the characters motivations since he didnt want to destroy but to transform (and it is never said those powers can destroy they way power scalers claim) but it is absurd since he never gained those powers (nor I think its posible to gain them). What Xehanort needed to do to acomplish his goal was to acces Kingdom Hearts in order to have it doing what he wants (so everything leads to believe by the way they talk abou it in the games that you dont gain universal powers by doing so, you just comand the being that can do it to do it) but the main characters had to "trap" him using the elemets of the lore separating him from KH so he could be defeated before he managed to do what he wanted. This is something that we see in the ending very clearly and is discussed and planned clearly by the main characters yet they are hellbent to say he has those universal powers and therefore since he was beaten it proves the rest of the characters also have said powers. Wich makes no sense, if they are so powerfull why did they need to trap him to defeat him? Why sending only the main character while the are still on the other side trying to control KH? If they are so powerfull then why was KH such a threath that was built up in such a way since the first game? We even see all the main characters trying to control and keep back a dormant KH and failing in the process the same way as a literal apocalipsis in the first chronological games that could be stopped even if the characters there couldnt (some of these characters being more powerfull than them and having hundreds of keyblade wielders) even if knowing what was going to happen, it contradicts the lore and story directly. And in order to justify it even further they claim that the world we visit in the games are not actually "little planets" but actually universes and not only that but that they somehow are as big and complex as ours even if it is explained very clear that the worlds were once one big one united by land that after getting destroyed some little pieces from survived becoming the worlds. Not only we have that and lots of both in game and oficial interviews that say this and that the worlds are all in the same universe to the point of even having a log post in the in games reports that say that the worlds exist as planets in a sea of stars yet they are hellbent on denying it and saying that they are actually universes. And not only they take statements that are out of context but those never actually say what they are claiming wich leaves me to another point of this nonsense, they either do it on pourpose or their reading compresion skill are extremly bad and just see what they want to see. Not only they claim the worlds are infinite because one character said they are "countless" (the same way one could look at the sky and say there only to care countless stars) they have the power to destroy infinite universes but is easily debunked after the fact that it explained not only that they were all one once but that they could all visited by traveling, if it was infinite you wouldnt be able to visit them all. And their arguments to claim that thay are universes are so awfull that that could even be use to argue that the different planets in our universe are also universes. Per example they say that in certain world a constellation appears and since we dont see it in other worlds they must be universes, wich is dumb because not only we dont know if it was a real constellation (this comment is already too long to explain it) but its dumb since we cant even see the same constellations in all places in the universe, heck, the constellations we see in the north hemisphere and the south hemisphere are also different for obvious reasons, are the north and south hemisphere from 2 completly different universes? They also claim that since time flows diferently in different worlds they also have to be diferent universes wich not only its dumb since we are actually given the reasons why that happens related to the game lore the moment that is brought up (another reason to think they do it on pourpose or are just unable to understand things properly) but time also flows diferent in difereng planets too, are planets diferent universes? I even said this a few days ago and they even tried to deny it. And the worse of them all, they say that since we can see worlds from other worlds as if they were stars they must be at least a solar sistem even when we are directly told in the games that the light comes directly from the worlds heart itself and the dumb thing is that this is one of the things that prove that they are in the same universe since you can see other worlds yet they even deny it somehow along many other things. Another thing is that they try to claim that they have infinite speed since they claim they can move in a realm with no time, except that is ridicoulus (Continues in the answer because of the lack of characters)
Not only it is said directly and indirectly both in games and in oficial interviews that there is indeed time there, it just flows diferently; but it is actuallly a huge plot point since a main character was trapped there and not only she was able to see and know some events that were happening outside in realm time (wich is imposible if it was a stopped time since she enters before they happend and she was seeing them as they happend) but not only she is able to see characters that entered after her but when she finally got out 11 years happend outside meaning time does flow there, just diferently. Yet they are hellbent on saying so only because i is said that times is meaningless there or because there is a tiny place in wich things are not affected by time (even if it is confirmed it only happens in that place and not the whole realm by the creator and while saying that time has quotation marks) and even if we see both main character and enemies (in both gameplay and cutscenes) be affected by stop magic wich stops time for them. They even said said realm was infinite and therefore she traveled an inifinite amount of distance wich is dumb since even if it was she just went to the beggining of it, not the end, she didnt travel an infinite distance and it took her a while. We even see people claiming that one character traveled to one world in seconds and therefore he travels millions of times the speed of light wich is dumb since not only that travel didnt happen nor he has the means to do so but even if he did he would have done so as a heart and things work diferent in kh if you do them as a heart meaning he cant actually fight so fast. And the worst thing is that even if there was a travel we have no way of knowing the distance so what is the poing, they even try to equate our own universe logic to the kh universe do they can do it when they are diferent and work diferently with diferent elements in them so it is pointless. We even got to the point of them saying that the main character has the power to bring himself back to life or to rewrite existence wich is also nonsense. Not only we are clearly told that it was another character who mainteined him one step from death but while he did create a second timeline it was just a side effect of the missuse of the power of waking that he cant replicate nor choose how things will procede and thats not counting the damaging side effects of using it that way. Dont they think it is very weird that it only happend go him when other characteres also have that power? I could go on and on with so many things but dosent matter, it dosent matter how much to try to explain it, they are still hellbent on it, denying evidence and doubleling down on their points and their nonesense. And the funny thing is that they try to lecture people saying things such as "play the games" or "do your research" while saying all these nonsense in a extreme case of Dunning Krueger. And I cant help to think that some do it on pourpose, if they saw many of the statements that thay use (wether or nor they say what they claim) thay had to also see the ones that clearly prove them wrong yet they deny them. Thats what is happening to me these days, I entered this discussios and even when I shared in game information word by word next to the place where it appears they deny claiming it was never said even if it is easy to find and i said the place. Even what you say about claming tha autor is wrong happend to me, i shared statements said in interviews word by word next to in wich interview it was said yet they deny it saying it is wrong or that it was actually never said, the bar is so low. I like KH, and therefore i want it to be well represented, i dont care if said characters are more or less powerfull or if they win or not, i just want things to make sense. If this nonsense is brought to these discussions it stops being about kh and the things I like but about their imagination and their desire to wank things up. Dont they see that per example if these characters are so wanked up in death battle (i know that scaling is much more than that channel, its just an example) then most match ups that would be great character wise for so many characters in kh wouldnt be feasible because of that scaling? Is that what they want? That instead of having meaningfull analisis and interactions we have just a contest to say who is the strongest? No thanks, I want the actual characters in death batlle, not something devoid of what they truly are that try to resemble them. Many more things could be said, but they are so many that it is hard to remember some of them and I think the point was already made. I completly agree with you and these things just leave a bad taste, it needed to be said The funny thing is that I even got acused of not having played the games even if my pfp is one of them or that they matter admitted that I had actually a lot of knowledge about the series. They claim I want to downplay them even if I can admit that they could theoretically get up to solar sistem (I dont really like to use their terms btw) even if there is no actual evidence and there are so many things in the series that could definetly give them a huge edge in a fight that I never see people mention and that I would be eager to do so
i took a shot every time you used the word or a variation of "wank" and now I'm plastered ;) good video though man, but maybe use said word a little less haha. try "glazing" or "hyped up" in conjunction with wank to stretch out your articulation. still, you've earned my subscription!
I mean it all depends on how you scale the characters tbh There is evidence tht characters like superman, thor, hulk, ect... can punch a multiverse away But these characters sometimes struggle with ppl tht are not nearly as strong as them which they shouldn't I'm pretty sure the most writers don't really care abt the power levels of these characters. They just want to write a good story At the end of the day tho, comicbook characters are one of the most powerful characters in fiction
Remember when Green Lantern weakness was the color yellow ? It just amazes me to a conceptual level that people talk a lot about Green Lantern being able to do anything with willpower, but canonically if you just piss around, or on your hand, or on him, you neutralize it completely. On a sidenote, by that logic, wouldnt Green Lanterns be unable to use their powers on any mammal ? We do store piss on our body and as slightly as it is, due to urobilin, it still is "yellow"
@@Joan-jq5ho Yeah, you did say WAS, but then the rest of your comment was structured in such a way, as though you thought it remained in continuity. My bad.
Power scaling always kinda bothered me and this video finally put in to words why. Very well done -- I hope to see more videos from you in the future :)
Read the book. The info was downloaded into their heads and inf is in reference to all the stories st the point of time which is the reason why ultraman read the last chapter and there was more added later on once dax and rox was beaten.
*Superman is all powerful WHY coz he overpowered the most powerful beings in existence and in action comics 1050 he was like the presence this guy overpowered the most powerful magic ever created such created DC itself plus superman demonstrated to possess every ability known*
i know 2 characters that are stupidly powerful 1 dr manhattan and 2 flash de manhatam dosent need explanation and flash traveling in time is stupidly powerful and beeing faster than deth and stealing speed and beeing inmiune to your own speed pd cool video
I have been collecting and reading comic books for over 46 years, since I was 6 years of age. I have a personal collection of over 20,000 books, have read them all, and have also read many more that I don't personally own. Having said that, it is finally nice to see someone from your generation that understands comic book storytelling and the context required. I agree with you on power scalers. They are completely out of their minds. I just debated someone about the hulk/ironclad fight that took place in an interdimensional nexus. This fight took place directly after the original secret wars in the 1980's. Dr strange had banished the hulk to this place to keep him from harming others. At any rate, the fight was said to "be felt throughout the universe/multiverse/whatever" and the person I was debating took that to mean that hulk's punches could shatter universes. They completely disregarded the fact that the punches being felt everywhere had everything to do with WHERE they were fighting, not how powerful the combatants were. Not to mention the fact that ironclad is a ben grimm level character and his skull cannot ABSORB multiverse shattering punishment. Couldn't get them to see reason. Anyways, I've always been tempted to put my own channel up just to do exactly what you just did in the above vid. Kudos to you.
Do it! It would be interesting to see someone with as much comic book experience making videos like this.
@PegasusPablo thank you. I always figure nobody wants to see a channel with a 53 year old, talking comic books. But its something to consider
@@pullcarsmelly8051 Who cares how many people see the videos. Good content is good content. And good content is a diamond in the rough
7:47 The book is not infinite because it only tells one story-the story of the DC universe, which is dying in the comic because of Mandrakk killing all stories. The book tells that end as Ultraman reads it. The book is playing the role of an oracle foretelling doom. This event occurs during a crisis. Crisis events in DC are events where the DC universe is in danger and the future becomes uncertain. The book is simply not infinite because the book sees a future where the heroes lose and the villain wins. CAS superman changes this future.
My answer to ‘who could win, X or Y’ is
‘Who’s writer is in charge’
Mas a vitória de um personagem mais fraco que o oponente mais forte deve ser coerente e ter alguma verossímidade no desenvolvimento narrativo.
There is no writer involved and its a hypothetical scenario. so your response is invalid.
I remember when Powerscaling was about hypothetical crossovers between two (or more) characters more than the fight. We didn’t actually care who won or if Character X could destroy multiverses. We just wanted to imagine what would happen if our favorite fictional characters met each other.
The internet took the act of playing with your action figures and added math, science, and theoretical physics to it. Then used this pseudoscientific tiering system to try to debate about it with strangers online. No one can even agree on Powerscaling terminology and definitions.
I like VS Debates casually because crossovers that will never happen are fun. Then the hardcore debaters came in and ruined everything. It became about winning instead of having fun.
They’re like that one friend who try hards at every game night even if you’re playing the most basic casual games.
They're fictional characters. They're as strong as the author makes them.
oh brother, this guy stinks!
Booooo *throws tomato*
You don’t say
Yep true
Yea the writter not the fans
Hey man, I just found your channel and I like how you're helping us figuring out this whole power scaling issue.
Something about some of these characters feel off when their entire concept reduced into ooga booga big number by scalers XD I get that it might be fun with you and just your buddies, but oh wow what an experience encountering them in the wild LOL
Book of infinity was like a memory San disk which was downloaded in their heads. There was no lifting involved
Using Ewing's Twitter statement about Devil Hulk being unable bust a planet, despite Ewing himself also stating multiple times on Twitter and his own blog that his word online doesnt mean much when it comes to the interpretation of the comic, is crazy work. Also idk why id take Devil Hulk being sub-Green Scar anyway, when hes stated to be the most powerful Hulk. Even if you took "powerful" as meaning something else, hes also called the angriest Hulk has ever been.
Absolute masterpiece. Do care enough to do more
You’re making videos now?
LET’S GO!
Yeah I’ve got a bunch of stuff planned, some really banger content and a lot of controversial ideas, gonna have some fun with this channel and I hope you enjoy it!!!
@@MidnightRants I definitely will.
Oh pls do more on these exact topics. Too required
@@MidnightRants Highly disagree with your video, They didn't get tuned down they were given more restrictions Superman's destructive capacity actually gotten higher since then but I respect your opinion
Man this is refreshing. Ive seen so many arguments divulged into ignoring certain facts to justify another sets of facts.
I can't even remember what the argument was but my oppiriontion was saying I was wrong about something because if the author wanted us to know, they would write it that way.
All out of context, over the top feats have context to dismiss it.
Luigi could one shot Goku. He is somehow faster than anything because in one of the games, he takes control and pilots a space ship that was moving at light speed.
Honestly, I want to make a character who has the power to be his opponent's weakness just so I have a character who is street level but can beat multiverse
It's tribalism, really. Humans usually think their tribe is stronger than the other. 🤷♂
I don't think your downplaying characters, you're just making them make sense. Although there are some feats Superman can do, even with context, that still makes me go WTF? I think the reason Superman is often overpowered because the point of his character is that often times, then and now, people with powers that are beyond mortal comprehension often go to the bad guys or a normal person and it corrupts them. Superman on the other hand, as a good man, decides to use his busted abilities to help rather than take or conquer. One of the first of his kind created in a time where he was desperately needed, he was actually supposed to be evil and his powers would be more like telepathy(Reign of the Super-Men) until his creators decided to make him the good natured character he is today. In a time where people needed cheering in the sucky era of America(The Great Depression and World War 2) someone like him will always be the one to stand up and fight for good as the Champion of the Oppressed, while also being practically unstoppable. Even when he's confronted with foes that are more powerful than him and there are, he still wouldn't even hesitate and that's the kind of guy he is.
You heard spider-man's a planet buster? I heard worse. I read in a comment section in another video that Captain America defeated the Beyonder!?💀
I've already seen power scalers saying Spider-Man is FTL (I hate this term so much)!
Hey man, really liked the video :) I have an example for you. One day I was responding to a comment under a video, don't remember exactly about what character or what feat, the comment was that superman and wonder woman could break universes with their punches, like literally shatter universes while fighting, I said that it might have been a "little" too much xD was something like "in this panel they clearly punched through universes shettering them" etc. I honestly don't know what they where thinking, I just asked a question "what's the point of fighting and beating the evil guy if to do so you're destroying universes and killing unnumerable living beings? That doesn't defeat the point a little?"
One of the flash's main antagonists is a dude with an ice gun, just a regular dude with an ice gun. And the flash is basically a fkin god and he struggles with this fkin ice gun man. None of this stuff matters, and the writers clearly don't care either.
Best example possible but the writer’s care to an extent. I’m not gonna pretend like every writer is putting the best foot forward for every issue but for Flash specifically they just have in world things they can no longer change without a serious outrage. Flash rouges never do anything too crazy and Flash never tries with them, he just takes care of it and enjoys their dynamic. The rouges are respectful and have their lines they won’t cross and Flash treats most of his enemies fairly well.
Well, this was already addressed in universe, where the Flash has stated that he usually humours his Rogues, especially considering he knows they're harmless, and would never murder anyone, Captain Cold himself, who is the leader of the Rogues has outright stated that he has a no killing code, and they only steal and rob for ulterior reasons that are noble only to them.
@@alltheworldsastage4785 ye "he's holding back" is often the explanation given for characters that realistically shouldn't face any challenge.
Clown, that gun freezes things at absolute zero. You idiots need to actually read comics.
Not only I completly agree and think that this needed to be said but even more could be said. I am sure that most of the people who claim these things actually believe what they say but I am also sure that some people have to be doing it on pourpose, it just makes no sense. It is not that in some ocasions they take things out of context but they completly lie about them, give it a reading that its not there or directly make things up that really makes you wonder if they even saw that piece of media when it clearly contradicts what they claim. Some things directly contradict not only the characters struggles but the lots of important plot points or lore information yet they claim thats how it works in said media when its clearly a lie. I am fine with discussing only the fighting capeabilities of someone since you can separate those from the character itself in a disscusion but when it contradits the core elements of what happend in said media just to wank them then i have a problem with it since you are just making things up and rewriting what I like just because you want to claim they are the most powerfull. And the issue isnt only limited to that but the logic they use, not only they lie about the things that happen but they try to wank that logic even more: they have some tiers in wich if they see something that its mentioned in said media they put it in said tier (wether or not it is true or not) above the rest implying they are "better" that the ones below it regardless or how exactly it works said things in the original media or what it can be done with it. If they see the term universe they put them in that tier regardless of what is happening, how it works, what kind of universe it is, how it is related etc.... the same with dimensional stuff, they see the word and they already put it in tiers above and claiming they can do all these things and defeat all these characters, all regardless of how it works or means in that media. Its so dumb. The same way that they also decide to interpretate staments in an unidimensional way focused in power regardless not just of context but with things that havfe nothing to do with power. Per example they see Darth Vader saying that the power to destroy powers is nothing compared to the force and they decide to see as a power statement and claim force users can destroy planets or solar sistems when all throught star wars the force is seen more as guide sort of things, the reason why Vader said so is because the force is sentinent and can decide the course of actions and guide its users, thats how Luke could blow up the Death Star, not because of raw strength but because he was guided by the force while shooting wich is something they represented in many ways both in that first movie but the whole series. And even if he meant it power wise he wouldnt mean he can destroy planets with the force (wich makes no sense, why wasting so much time and resources on the death star then?) but because of how versatil it is and how one can be guided by it being that you would limited by the use of a superweapon with its limits while you can fight armies in a more varied and intelligent way with the force. They are so focused on raw power that they completly see things only in that scale and decide to fit everything in that perspective wether it makes sense or not or the nuances and complexities that they end up dumbing it all down and discussing a made up fake version of the madia they suposedly are talking about and that explains that toxicity, that eagerness to try to wank their characters up and defend their powers because thats the only thing they can see worth in. Thats why they are so toxic to those they disagree or attack other media in those basis and why it is clear to me that they either are making things up knwowingly or that they dont care, it wouldnt make sense otherwise.
Last year I ended up liking death battle a lot and it helped with a bad time I was having by then. But after seeing these things and how non esensical or toxic they can get or how in some instances it is so objectively wrong it kinda pushed me back. I even saw it in Kingdom Hearts, my favourite game series. While I could agree that at bare minimum the characters could get around city lever considering what we see in the games up until a high theoretical limit of solar sistem (wich is sckethy since its just where they could posibly be at their max without any real proof that they actually are there) what you see them discuss mostly in these circles is that they are at bare minimun universal up to boudless or outerversal with is ridiculous. They just make things up that contradict what we see, per example they see that Xehanort wanted to reset the world and therefor they claim the he is multiversal in power and can destroy universes and since you fight him the rest of the characters also are. Not only it is representing the characters motivations since he didnt want to destroy but to transform (and it is never said those powers can destroy they way power scalers claim) but it is absurd since he never gained those powers (nor I think its posible to gain them). What Xehanort needed to do to acomplish his goal was to acces Kingdom Hearts in order to have it doing what he wants (so everything leads to believe by the way they talk abou it in the games that you dont gain universal powers by doing so, you just comand the being that can do it to do it) but the main characters had to "trap" him using the elemets of the lore separating him from KH so he could be defeated before he managed to do what he wanted. This is something that we see in the ending very clearly and is discussed and planned clearly by the main characters yet they are hellbent to say he has those universal powers and therefore since he was beaten it proves the rest of the characters also have said powers. Wich makes no sense, if they are so powerfull why did they need to trap him to defeat him? Why sending only the main character while the are still on the other side trying to control KH? If they are so powerfull then why was KH such a threath that was built up in such a way since the first game? We even see all the main characters trying to control and keep back a dormant KH and failing in the process the same way as a literal apocalipsis in the first chronological games that could be stopped even if the characters there couldnt (some of these characters being more powerfull than them and having hundreds of keyblade wielders) even if knowing what was going to happen, it contradicts the lore and story directly. And in order to justify it even further they claim that the world we visit in the games are not actually "little planets" but actually universes and not only that but that they somehow are as big and complex as ours even if it is explained very clear that the worlds were once one big one united by land that after getting destroyed some little pieces from survived becoming the worlds. Not only we have that and lots of both in game and oficial interviews that say this and that the worlds are all in the same universe to the point of even having a log post in the in games reports that say that the worlds exist as planets in a sea of stars yet they are hellbent on denying it and saying that they are actually universes. And not only they take statements that are out of context but those never actually say what they are claiming wich leaves me to another point of this nonsense, they either do it on pourpose or their reading compresion skill are extremly bad and just see what they want to see. Not only they claim the worlds are infinite because one character said they are "countless" (the same way one could look at the sky and say there only to care countless stars) they have the power to destroy infinite universes but is easily debunked after the fact that it explained not only that they were all one once but that they could all visited by traveling, if it was infinite you wouldnt be able to visit them all. And their arguments to claim that thay are universes are so awfull that that could even be use to argue that the different planets in our universe are also universes. Per example they say that in certain world a constellation appears and since we dont see it in other worlds they must be universes, wich is dumb because not only we dont know if it was a real constellation (this comment is already too long to explain it) but its dumb since we cant even see the same constellations in all places in the universe, heck, the constellations we see in the north hemisphere and the south hemisphere are also different for obvious reasons, are the north and south hemisphere from 2 completly different universes? They also claim that since time flows diferently in different worlds they also have to be diferent universes wich not only its dumb since we are actually given the reasons why that happens related to the game lore the moment that is brought up (another reason to think they do it on pourpose or are just unable to understand things properly) but time also flows diferent in difereng planets too, are planets diferent universes? I even said this a few days ago and they even tried to deny it. And the worse of them all, they say that since we can see worlds from other worlds as if they were stars they must be at least a solar sistem even when we are directly told in the games that the light comes directly from the worlds heart itself and the dumb thing is that this is one of the things that prove that they are in the same universe since you can see other worlds yet they even deny it somehow along many other things.
Another thing is that they try to claim that they have infinite speed since they claim they can move in a realm with no time, except that is ridicoulus
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Not only it is said directly and indirectly both in games and in oficial interviews that there is indeed time there, it just flows diferently; but it is actuallly a huge plot point since a main character was trapped there and not only she was able to see and know some events that were happening outside in realm time (wich is imposible if it was a stopped time since she enters before they happend and she was seeing them as they happend) but not only she is able to see characters that entered after her but when she finally got out 11 years happend outside meaning time does flow there, just diferently. Yet they are hellbent on saying so only because i is said that times is meaningless there or because there is a tiny place in wich things are not affected by time (even if it is confirmed it only happens in that place and not the whole realm by the creator and while saying that time has quotation marks) and even if we see both main character and enemies (in both gameplay and cutscenes) be affected by stop magic wich stops time for them. They even said said realm was infinite and therefore she traveled an inifinite amount of distance wich is dumb since even if it was she just went to the beggining of it, not the end, she didnt travel an infinite distance and it took her a while. We even see people claiming that one character traveled to one world in seconds and therefore he travels millions of times the speed of light wich is dumb since not only that travel didnt happen nor he has the means to do so but even if he did he would have done so as a heart and things work diferent in kh if you do them as a heart meaning he cant actually fight so fast. And the worst thing is that even if there was a travel we have no way of knowing the distance so what is the poing, they even try to equate our own universe logic to the kh universe do they can do it when they are diferent and work diferently with diferent elements in them so it is pointless. We even got to the point of them saying that the main character has the power to bring himself back to life or to rewrite existence wich is also nonsense. Not only we are clearly told that it was another character who mainteined him one step from death but while he did create a second timeline it was just a side effect of the missuse of the power of waking that he cant replicate nor choose how things will procede and thats not counting the damaging side effects of using it that way. Dont they think it is very weird that it only happend go him when other characteres also have that power?
I could go on and on with so many things but dosent matter, it dosent matter how much to try to explain it, they are still hellbent on it, denying evidence and doubleling down on their points and their nonesense. And the funny thing is that they try to lecture people saying things such as "play the games" or "do your research" while saying all these nonsense in a extreme case of Dunning Krueger. And I cant help to think that some do it on pourpose, if they saw many of the statements that thay use (wether or nor they say what they claim) thay had to also see the ones that clearly prove them wrong yet they deny them. Thats what is happening to me these days, I entered this discussios and even when I shared in game information word by word next to the place where it appears they deny claiming it was never said even if it is easy to find and i said the place. Even what you say about claming tha autor is wrong happend to me, i shared statements said in interviews word by word next to in wich interview it was said yet they deny it saying it is wrong or that it was actually never said, the bar is so low.
I like KH, and therefore i want it to be well represented, i dont care if said characters are more or less powerfull or if they win or not, i just want things to make sense. If this nonsense is brought to these discussions it stops being about kh and the things I like but about their imagination and their desire to wank things up. Dont they see that per example if these characters are so wanked up in death battle (i know that scaling is much more than that channel, its just an example) then most match ups that would be great character wise for so many characters in kh wouldnt be feasible because of that scaling? Is that what they want? That instead of having meaningfull analisis and interactions we have just a contest to say who is the strongest? No thanks, I want the actual characters in death batlle, not something devoid of what they truly are that try to resemble them.
Many more things could be said, but they are so many that it is hard to remember some of them and I think the point was already made. I completly agree with you and these things just leave a bad taste, it needed to be said
The funny thing is that I even got acused of not having played the games even if my pfp is one of them or that they matter admitted that I had actually a lot of knowledge about the series. They claim I want to downplay them even if I can admit that they could theoretically get up to solar sistem (I dont really like to use their terms btw) even if there is no actual evidence and there are so many things in the series that could definetly give them a huge edge in a fight that I never see people mention and that I would be eager to do so
i took a shot every time you used the word or a variation of "wank" and now I'm plastered ;) good video though man, but maybe use said word a little less haha. try "glazing" or "hyped up" in conjunction with wank to stretch out your articulation. still, you've earned my subscription!
I mean it all depends on how you scale the characters tbh
There is evidence tht characters like superman, thor, hulk, ect... can punch a multiverse away
But these characters sometimes struggle with ppl tht are not nearly as strong as them which they shouldn't
I'm pretty sure the most writers don't really care abt the power levels of these characters. They just want to write a good story
At the end of the day tho, comicbook characters are one of the most powerful characters in fiction
Superman,Thor, Hulk aren't multiversal tho.. they're planetary at best
Remember when Green Lantern weakness was the color yellow ? It just amazes me to a conceptual level that people talk a lot about Green Lantern being able to do anything with willpower, but canonically if you just piss around, or on your hand, or on him, you neutralize it completely.
On a sidenote, by that logic, wouldnt Green Lanterns be unable to use their powers on any mammal ? We do store piss on our body and as slightly as it is, due to urobilin, it still is "yellow"
That weakness has been retconned away decades ago.
@@alltheworldsastage4785 My guy, thats why I said WAS, past tense because it doesnt exist nowadays
@@Joan-jq5ho Yeah, you did say WAS, but then the rest of your comment was structured in such a way, as though you thought it remained in continuity. My bad.
@@alltheworldsastage4785 its ok
Thor did tank the 9 realms when Modok had harness its power.
Power scaling always kinda bothered me and this video finally put in to words why. Very well done -- I hope to see more videos from you in the future :)
Give this fan some subscriber's bro is spitting hard facts.
Which i was screaming for month's arguing brain dead comic book fan's.
how about moon knight?
Superman and Shazam actually left the book of infinite pages,, but Shazam reached his limits before hand preventing the continuous level
Read the book. The info was downloaded into their heads and inf is in reference to all the stories st the point of time which is the reason why ultraman read the last chapter and there was more added later on once dax and rox was beaten.
@@pharaohrameses6943 how can you lift something that's floating in mid air? That doesn't logically make any sense.
Later on it was found that the book actually had an ending
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Lol 🤣 finally someone speaking facts.
*Superman is all powerful WHY coz he overpowered the most powerful beings in existence and in action comics 1050 he was like the presence this guy overpowered the most powerful magic ever created such created DC itself plus superman demonstrated to possess every ability known*
Superman is not all powerful at all he can be scaled to star level with wank and he doesn't have every ability
@@raimond225he not star level
07:23 How is that switching the goal post that is just simply chained scaling, you crying jit 💀. And As for your Marcel debunk we can debate this
It makes no sense
Do a debunk video involving Archie Sonic, Hyperion, CC Goku and Alien X next!
Debunking every character
@@saadsami8860I don’t know if many things from Archie Sonic can be debunked 4real
i know 2 characters that are stupidly powerful 1 dr manhattan and 2 flash de manhatam dosent need explanation and flash traveling in time is stupidly powerful and beeing faster than deth and stealing speed and beeing inmiune to your own speed pd cool video