NEW SUR-RON Storm Bee | Electric Dirt Bike Test
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Tucker from Electric Cycle Rider does a first ride review and test ride on the new Sur-Ron Storm Bee electric dirt bike.
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Sur-Ron came onto the scene with their popular electric dirt bike, the Sur Ron Lightbee X, an ultra light ebike that combines features of a full size motocross bike and a mountain bike to make a dirt bike that rides in a category of it's own. Since then, they have teased their full size electric dirt bike, the Sur Ron Storm Bee. The bike has been available in other countries but has been slow to be released in the USA.
The Sur Ron Storm Bee is more like a traditional dirt bike in its size, looks, power delivery and suspension. The pre-production model tested in this video might see some minor updates but the new Sur Ron currently features a 22.5kW motor, 90v 48Ah battery, full size Fast Ace fork and shock, and a 21" front wheel and 18" rear wheel, mounted with CST tires. The Storm will likely come in 3 models which will be an off road, enduro, and road version. The enduro model tested in this video weighs in a 291 pounds.
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Great first ride video. I've actually owned a Storm Bee (I call it the "Storm Beast") Enduro for 10 months now. It's also a pre-production model which I bought used in Mongolia for $8k. So I'm interested to hear your impressions. I can't make a video and upload it because I live in the mountains of Mongolia and we have appallingly slow upload speeds. At least until I get Starlink! So, if you don't mind, I'll give my 10 month of ownership impressions here.
I love this bike. I've owned a few dual sport and adventure bikes (ICE) but never a full-on 2-stroke motocross bike. So my opinions are based on that. The Storm has exceeded my expectations from my experience with those bikes. Bear in mind, I can't compare it to a genuine motocross bike. The Bee's torque in sport mode is fierce and it feels like it'll pull my arms off. I only use sport mode on my rare rides on actual roads. I generally use "eco" to give me more range and the speed is sufficient for my use. I ride around our mountain camp home, usually for 1-3 hours. The nearest paved road is about 10km (6 miles away). I don't measure battery level in distance but in time. In 1-3 hours of riding up and down mountains, grassy slopes, rocky trails and some dirt trails, I'll use 10-80% of the battery capacity, depending on whether I'm doing trials style or motocross style riding. Charging is fast with 240v. From empty, it's claimed to recharge in 4 hours but I've never gone to empty. In realistic use, I can get multiple rides a day, charging at home if necessary. We have cheap electricity here but no gas stations for 10 miles, so electric vehicles are a good idea for me. It costs almost nothing to run when you have cheap electricity. Ours cost 4 cents per kW/h.
I think the Storm Bee enduro works both as a trials bike and a mild motocross bike. Maybe not competition level but I've never competed so I'm not sure.
As I said, I don't ride on road much at all. When I have (2 or 3 times), I find the Storm Bee very sporty: it feels light, agile and very fast accelerating at the low speeds but loses steam after 90km/h. I think mine goes up to 120km/h (Surron claims 110km/h probably restricted). Road range is claimed as 100km at 50km/h but who rides like that? I don't. So I haven't bothered with a boring road range test. It's not the intended use.
The suspension suits me. It soaks up everything I've thrown at it and I haven't bottomed it out on the small jumps I do. I've also never adjusted it but I should maybe experiment. I find the handling very light and flickable off road too. Reverse is handy if you get stick on a steep hillside and want to maneuver out of a tough spot. The turning radius is really good. Hill climbing is very good but would be better with lower pressure and maybe mousse inner "tubes". I'm considering getting those because getting a flat in my area is no fun. I've never had a flat though but I'd rather not.
It's a remarkably comfortable bike for me. It's tall but so am I (6'2"), so I can plant both feet flat in the sitting position. Standing while riding is very comfortable with the ergos just right for me. Sufficiently large front foot pegs work well with my motocross boots for long spells out of the saddle. The seat is unexpectedly comfortable. I tried a Light Bee in standard form and the ergos felt wrong for a big fella, whereas the Storm Bee is just about right.
It'd be nice if the Bee were lighter but it's much lighter than my past bikes. The construction is solid and I think to be lighter, it would be more vulnerable to damage on the inevitable off-road spills and drops. I'd like the option of a much lighter battery for those short 1 hour rides, which I like. If I could shave off 20kg with a light battery, I'd take the range hit happily. The battery alone weighs 30kg (66lbs) so that's the obvious place to attempt to shave weight. The battery is removable so having a lighter option would be great.
Ironically, I also lost the ends of the brake levers but just filed them smooth and added KTM branded handguards. The rear indicators will most likely get broken as they have zero protection and aren't flexible. I might replace the brake levers but the brakes work just fine with 2 fingers so it's not a high priority.
Overall, there's little to complain about with this bike from my perspective. It supplies the most smiles per mile I've ever had.
Definitely keep this for your first video!
Awesome review
I've got a moose and a tubeless system. I'm thinking the tubliss system is best. Sounds like you live in heaven with an awesome bike!
@@oblivianation9759 yes I’m in heaven. Except I took it for service a week ago. I have to ride my other dual-sport and I don’t like it nearly as much.
@@martinfoster5163
Fun read! Sounds like you're really enjoying it all!
Been waiting yrs already, what's a few more, lol... Kidding, just hope I'm not too old to ride by the time they are available, looks like fun!
@RetroThruster Haha, for sure. They'll be available for sale in the USA soon. This pre-production model is pretty dialed in. Just some small tweaks that will likely be made before the production run.
I'm in Europe and the local dealer has one today in their shop priced at £7,837.
In Thailand they are getting the Ultra Bee
I can't believe how fast you can ride those tight trails. I'm impressed!!
Looks like a solid bike. Just needs a new exhaust and it'll be ready for production!
Not a fan of the sound, personally
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@@kingjinglefingle so much cooler to be able to ride urban areas cause its silent. We can have tracks in town agian. Hell in the empty lot on the block. Karens cant noise complaint. And you can go ride at 5am not bothering anyone. No warm up time instant power. Optional left hand rear braking. Where is the downside battery life? Thats what they said about gas engines and oil changes when the first came out.
Hardy harrrr!
@@yzrippin "Where is the downside battery life?" - well yes. That is the downside. The BIG downside. I don't hate on EVs but this cult of personality built around electrics is just...weird.
Looks great! All it’s missing is a transmission, a clutch, the sound of an engine, the smell of exhaust other then that it’s great.
@Daniel d 😂 I'll relay the feedback!
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GREAT riding.
OK so questions.....
1Are the turn signals / head lamp LED?
2Is the battery removable / swappable?
3 Battery run time trail / city / highway
4 TYPE of battery, LFP / NCA / NCM / Ternary?
5 Charge time?
6 Insure process, have the bike street legal? Does it require inspections, etc.?
7 Are there tire options, I see knobs in the vide, but what about a more 50/50, stock?
8 When will the price of the bike be available, and price of the battery?
9 What maintenance is needed, I see chain not belt, so there is at least some maintenance, what else?
10 Is the charger stored in the bike, I can go on linger trip and charge at 1/2 way point?
11 Are all parts available on line, shipping to Canada, USA, Mexico?
12 Expected life of bike / battery. Probably a guess, but will it hold up? Can I be riding it in 25 years time?
13 Life of the electric motor, what motor is in it?
14 Direct competitor? Love Zero but way to expensive. I would buy Zero if it was 50% cheaper.
15 What about changing sprockets / gears to get a top end of a consistent highway 90mph?
Ride to the trail, do trail riding, then ride home. Also use for work commute.
16 Are components going to last and are they correct for this bike? Meaning, IMO the components on the similar Zero are for stopping at 200MPH, for jumping down 5 meters, are for bikes that weigh triple. All not needed. Big names sound cool, cost more, but on a say 200cc-350cc powered bike, are just not necessary.
17 When looking for low cost, reliable, durable, not big flashy component part, not paying for brand name (Harley), just want it to work and last, is this a good bike for that? I am not a pro that needs top end Eqip.
I am a broken record, but if e-moto manufacturers want to be serious about competition, they need to equip their enduro bikes with mechanical clutches. I can look past the fact that there is no gearbox (though I think a 3-speed or 4-speed gearbox would pair great with an enduro bike), but cannot look past the lack of clutch. Clutches are for finite control of power delivery to the rear wheel. Maybe the MX racers will be happy to get on a Stark Varg and ditch the clutch, but we enduro racers will not. All the e-trials competition bikes come with clutches for good reason. Enduro bikes need them as well. As for the Storm Bee, listening to your feedback and impressions, it sounds like the bike is sort of like the new KLX230 or CRF230F. A solid trail bike that will handily perform on most trails but maybe the geometry and suspension (and brakes?) are holding it back from being a true performer. Maybe the Storm Bee doesn't need a clutch, but then again, based on your description it's not a competition bike.
Unwraps his new toy and immediately breaks it, haha! I had a preconceived idea about how this bike would be and you completely nailed it. The weight, tires and suspension definitely had me thinking “dual sport”. That being said, I wonder how big of a dual sport ride you can get away with on it… Cheers, Tucker!
@Introvert Adventurer Haha, par for the course! Although, the bike isn't mine. Just a test bike for the reviews.
I'll be doing some "dual sport" type testing with it for the coming videos, hope to answer that question ^ 👍
@@ElectricCycleRider Nice! Looking forward to it!
@@ElectricCycleRider I think considering the build and parts, it's not worth it many of the parts such as suspension are found on cheap Chinese dual sports like my own X-Pro Templar 250 or other brands like GPX FSE 250e, or Kayo K4/K6
The most interesting question is the average range:
1. When actively driving in sport mode
2. When driving moderately in sport mode
3. When driving in eco mode
I've owned a Storm Bee for 10 months now, so I'll take a stab at that. I'd say 30 miles (45km), 40 miles (60km) and 60 miles (100km).
@@martinfoster5163 thanks for your input. Could you also put that into time ranges respectively? (As a two stroke guy I’ve never really tracked distance 😅)
@@skytek9645 well, I’d say 1, 2 and 3 hours of spirited, moderate and eco riding is approximately right. If you were in a motocross race 1 hour might be all it’d manage. I get 3 hours because I ride moderately fast in eco mode but do a lot of mountain riding, up and over passes but not insanely fast. My sense is that “sport” is mainly for high speed road riding above 80km/h (50mph). It seems unnecessary in the mountain forests and grasslands, single or no tracks. On a very nice unpaved road you might want “sport” mode. We don’t have that kind of nice unpaved. Everything around my area is rough or natural surfaces. There are some nice roads but I rarely ride on them, as I mentioned.
I haven’t found the range to be limiting at all for my style of riding. If anything, I’d like a much lighter battery as an option to save weight, trading off range. Maybe they’ll offer one eventually.
@@martinfoster5163 awesome. I’m keen! Thanks again
@@martinfoster5163 what speed does eco mode top out at
I love how the world is going Electric, I can’t wait to see what the future brings
Catastrophic failure and having to resort back to fossil fuels or some other fuel alternatives. Remember, when your Tesla runs out of battery, there's gonna be a diesel powered generator to come and save the day, probably being pulled by a diesel power truck
@@dyllongeckles2122 facts
@@dyllongeckles2122 dude, you're speaking common sense and these people lack an once of it. Brainwashed they are and they're drunk from the Kool aid. (You're wasting your breath)🤦👍
@@dyllongeckles2122dumb comment. If I run out of fuel in my petrol car then an electric van could just as easily be the one delivering a jerry can of fuel to me. The smart way to look at this is each type of vehicle has its pros and cons so use what works for your lifestyle.
Here in Australia the DRZ is fondly referred to as the "Bush Pig" Because its versatillity in the bush is amazing. But its a fat heavy pig too.
Looking at the Storm Bee specs 2 years ago I flagged the storm bee as an electric bush pig. They even got the colour right. Its 50kg too heavy and a little low on power to be fun for sport riding but its a great fire trail get around. Sadly not many people have a need for that these days....
Leaves me still longing for the sub 80kg CR500 replacement I know is possible. Maybe one day someone will get a stark varg motor into a light bee and then we will have something really cool.
Re questions. Whats it sound like? Your voice audio was awesome quality, but I found it took away form the review because I couldn't hear the bike over the talking. Perhaps you can get a few mic on bike moments in future reviews?
I've heard those aus K5 bikes are great bang for your buck. Are they good compared to these?
@@stevec7435 I haven't tried a K5. I have a light bee. I personally find mid drive to be much snappier and better unsprung weight. Hard to compare to a pedal assist hub drive.
I can see the first flaw, fugly graphics and plastics. They should make Full black version like they do with the small Surron, maybe a good question for the importer.
Are you kidding me my guy!? This bike is a despicably fast awesome exactly what many of us have been waiting for,starting on everything from the looks to dash lines another flowing emotion that all out Motocross all in your face look
Seems like the "ride it to the trail, on the trail, and home" compromise. I dig it.
better live close to that trail
Not EVERYTHING has to go electric!
The sound and feel of the motor under you is half the fun, not to mention the smell!!!!
Can’t get past that vertical shock angle.. what’s up with that? Seems like it would blow through stroke super easily without any progression..
Definition of" breaking it in" lol ! I do like the dual sport aspect but also glad to know they are that heavy. Was going to get one for my son as intro bike but I might get one for short rides to work as we have a lot of dirt road access and no paying for gas a bonus. Excellent video surprised you can focus while talking , plus you pushed that bike well right to the point. 👍👍
@Truth Hrtz Haha, yup! Thanks for the note! 👍
been waiting for this bike to come out for ages
@Loz Indeed. It's been slower to get out of the gates here in the USA compared to other countries. Nice to finally see it in person.
Thank you for not playing music in the background. Beautiful review
Very diplomatic summary! 290lb bike that rides like a '80s dual sport. Maybe it would make a cool street supermoto
I think an obvious question would be range - not only trail riding range, but since it's more of a 'true' dual sport, on-road range vs. something like a Zero FX?
Also... I think we need to hear the full story behind the first ride brake lever breakage lol.
@The Privateer Thanks for the note. I will for sure cover those range questions in the next videos!
And for the first ride crash... haha. Wish I had my GoPro running. The suspension was just set up very soft and I was very eager to test the Storm. Came into a technical rock garden... 290 pounds + soft suspension = I lost it! Slow speed tip over but the first thing to touch ground was the brake lever.
For the tube, I started feeling confident again. Approached a hill climb at high-ish speed and squared up to a sharp edge rock. Pinch flat.
Sur Ron was quick to send me a replacement lever and I had the opportunity to see what the tubes look like. They are a bit light-duty for a bike of this weight. Knowing that the Lightbee X comes standard with some thin tubes, I'm not surprised. Great for weight savings and range but I prefer to have some more protection inside my tires! 👍
@The Privateer I'll have some content with the Zero FX but here is the Storm Bee battery range test video: ua-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/v-deo.html
This bike (90v) has 4.3ah I believe and the 104 volt model will have 5.7ah. I think range will be similar between them due to people riding the 104v more at higher speeds, but regardless should be between the 3.6ah and 7.2ah Zero FXs.
People overestimate range on electric motorcycles because speed has a giant impact on range. If I ride at 40mph on my Zero I get double the range compared to riding at 70mph. It doubles again if I ride at 20mph. Electric bikes like the light bee often state range using 20mph and motorcycles like the Zero state range using 40mph as the standard, so your results may vary considerably.
It would be so weird riding a dirt bike without that 2 or 4 stroke sound bellowing from the frame below. I think part of the joy of riding comes from that sound..
Nice. I'd love to see that in a supermoto configuration as well. Would be an excellent city bike.
Agreed! I feel like an electric supermoto would be the perfect combination
My question is about the range. How long can you ride it under normal enduro style riding conditions. Some uphill, downhill, flatland riding.
Storm Bee battery range test video: ua-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/v-deo.html
I heard these were priced around 13k at that point the stark varg would be a better bang for you’re buck unless sur Ron steps up their game for the storm bee for when it officially release
These are priced at about 9k
@@nikey7988 certainly not in California buddy or anywhere in the us the taxes and cost of shipping for stuff like this is insane
@@juniorotero9030 maybe but maybe not. Doubt it would be that expensive though. 7K at most, otherwise you’d just get ripped tf off. I’m in the uk so I’m basing my prices from here
Closer to $8700
@@wasatchadventures8947 I really doubt it’ll be price around that especially not here in Cali and the new street version of the sur Ron will forsure be $1000 above the regular sur on since I bout my sur Ron the price has went up on them about 300
Thank you for the cool review! One thing I notice is the rear suspension linkage goes below the swing arm this would mean you run the chance of damaging it if you use the bike for Hard Enduro or more technical riding, and makes it seem that it was more designed for single track and trail riding as you mentioned. If you want a good comparison, KTM has a similar suspension linkage on their MX/motocross bikes but the Enudro bikes have the rear suspension linkage stopping above the swing arm where it is protected from rocks and anything you might ride over. I look forward your next vid!
Mol, not quite true. The KTM XC (not xc-w), Husky, Yamaha, Sherco and Gasgas hard enduro bikes all have linkage. I prefer the linkage KTM for my hard enduro and hare scramble riding
@@camn9293 thanks for the reply but I think you may have your models mixed up. KTM’s MX bikes (SX) all have the linkage below the swing arm. The Enduro bikes (EXC and Freeride E-XC) both have the linkage above the swing arm. This was done to protect the rear suspension.
@@moltr00ps73 Thanks for the note! You're right. The KTM XC-W / EXC range use KTM's PDS rear shock, which has no linkage. The KTM SX / XC and Husky / GasGas bikes all utilize linkage suspension for both their MX / XC and Enduro bikes. Plenty of companies make skid plates that run underneath the linkage and I'm sure someone will come out with an option like that for the Storm Bee!
it looks so incredibly fast with 30fps, I checked if I had fast forward turned on😄
@Daniel Recker 😂
So sick! So glad you finally got this one on your list of electrics! I'd love to hear some more in-depth thoughts on this compared to something like the Stark Varg (since you got to test that one - even if it's just based on your first impressions of the Varg), Alta Redshift (since we can still get those used) and KTM Freeride E-XC. I know these are VERY different bikes (and that the Alta's are discontinued) but hey... they're all electric bike options and those comparison videos are HUGE for helping people choose a bike for their style of riding. That and I think above all others, the comparison and general thoughts videos are my absolute favorite. I love seeing these bikes compared to other electric bikes as well as the gas bikes.
It would be great to even see your lap time comparisons in different terrain (kind of like you've done with Sur Ron vs the KTM Freeride). Again, we totally understand that they are very different bikes but these comparisons are still a ton of fun to watch!
Awesome content as always and looking forward to your in-depth review of this one!
@electric cycle rider it looks like someone is spamming using your profile picture...
@@TravisNobles Thanks for the note. Yes, please disregard the scammers. They keep trying to impersonate the ECR account by using our logo and a fake name, very annoying. UA-cam should be on top if it...
I'll cover those questions in the full review! Appreciate the feedback!
@@ElectricCycleRider yeah I've been reporting it every time I see it. Hopefully YT staff take care of it.
Looking forward to your upcoming vids!
@DotScott At least a partial answer to your question in this comparison here: ua-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/v-deo.html
Kind of glad to hear it's more dual sport than enduro, love my xr250l. It's comfy soft suspension makes long rides n trails enjoyable. And compliments its tractor ability on the trails just to get through everything with a bit of skill.
I'll still going the way of the talaria as the lower weight and means I can fit 2 on the back of the ute easier.
so much cooler to be able to ride urban areas cause its silent. We can have tracks in town agian. Hell in the empty lot on the block. Karens cant noise complaint. And you can go ride at 5am not bothering anyone. No warm up time instant power. Optional left hand rear braking. Where is the downside battery life? Thats what they said about gas engines and oil changes when the first came out.
XR400 is right on the money, heavy comfy, great for open fire trails, great for soft sand dunes and open long high speed trails, but I'm shocked at how well its handling the technical stuff though, I would never had done that on my old XR400.
your xr will ride when all this electric junk is dead...and it gifs you feelin and a sound...
@@izom Yeh if you can ever get the basted started, TBH I rid a hard core electric mountain bike now, and I enjoy that more than I ever enjoyed my trail bikes.
That thing looks really cool and I'm excited that the electric dirt bike technology is improving. I am bummed that this thing weighs so much though!!! 290 seems like a lot!
Yesterday I tried a 562 pound electric motorcycle for the first time, mind you I never rode something heavier than a surron before and I learned how to ride that thing in 20 seconds. Check out the livewire motorcycle for reference. I was even stable at 5 mph with all the weight
It has roll of throttle regen which is customizable and it helped me control the speed and turns better, not to mention I didn't even use the Brembo brakes.
I'm comparing apples and oranges because my 72v surron didn't even stand a chance, same as it wont stand a chance against the storm bee on those trails because it's not built for it.
I also think 290 lbs isn't a big difference from 110 lbs stock to - 140 lbs upgraded surrons
Your average Ninja/CBR's weight around 350-400+ lbs, even the 250cc's
If anything the weight probably adds more traction and the beefier suspension helps for this kind of fast technical riding.
@@joem8601 less weight is always better unless on the freeway.
Way to Heavy
@@jimmunro4649 Perhaps but you’ll never truly know until you try
Yeah a bit heavy. I’m considering a KTM 350 and it weight 228 lbs dry.
I just woke up from a very long sleep and after watching your video I feel tired again
Like to see the stark and the bee side x side compair 👍
@ktm 500 6 days Hopefully soon. Until then, here is the Storm Bee and KTM Freeride comparison: ua-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/v-deo.html
Happy to see more of these poppin around
Would love to see an ongoing rating for top-level electric trail bikes (including their msrp)... How would this one compare to the Stark Varg?
They are really controlling the PR on the Varg, They aren't letting any independents test their bikes that aren't under their control, while they are bringing in outside people to get the bike exposure,they are controlling everyting else, they bring them in to ride the bikes on custom-designed tracks, they roll the bikes out of the van's and tell the guy he is allowed 5 laps then has to come back with in, then they might sawp him out to another bike, I think there is a little too much hype sauce around the Vargs, people who ordered them are supposed to take delivery early 2023. That's my long way of saying, there are no comparo tests vesus the Varg, and there most likely won't be until people can actually buy them, so maybe next spring we will see one in the wild that can be compared.
@@EssPhour I've been wondering about the Varg. Just no one has come close to their numbers. All the engineers at KTM, Honda, Zero, aren't coming close to weight, power, and range. You have me thinking they are throwing a small battery in there, so great power, light weight, but hiding the low range.
@@justincoats7236 I shouldn't get down on the bike, I've just had some debates with fan boys, and I see how Varg promotes the pros while skipping the cons, It's the game they can play with EV's programmable ECU settings, They can say it has 80HP but they don't tell us if that is Peak or Nominal, if its peak, it's only temporarily available, hypothetically maybe only 90 seconds, then the ECU defaults to 45HP for the next 5 minutes to allow the motor to cool down. If I remember correctly the bike weighs right around 250lbs so about the same as a 450cc four-stroke. I could say more negative, but on the positive side, they have put notable effort to lighten up the bike as much as possible, largely just by using exotic materials like carbon fiber, the shocks are from a major name brand supplier custom designed for the bike, put all the range questions to the side, if it was available right now it would be fastest and best handling motocross EV available, although KTM's bike could possibly prove otherwise in the suspension department.
@@EssPhour thanks for the info. I've been watching a lot of UA-cam videos about the Varg. They look awesome. I just question because Honda, Yamaha, KTM, and Zero don't seem to have anything close. My buddy has a Zero 7.2. It's all street. It's so fast. No shifting, just a perfect strong pull from zero to 75mph. It weighs close to 290 lbs. It can run 50 miles at 60mph. It will last longer if you aren't running it so hard. It's just hard to see the Varg at 50 pounds lighter with a longer lasting battery. I just wonder.
@@justincoats7236, I think Yamaha is the one to watch, They have been quietly active with EV technology for at least the last 6-8 years, they have a factory team EV Trials bike they've been racing the last few years, they claimed they lighten the battery by 25% in their newest version this year, but they give no specs on the bike. One of the hyper car companies Koenig? is building a hybrid car, it will be using Yamaha EV motors, a single wheel motor weighs 50lbs & puts out 300HP.
Would love to know range, and how range changes depending on terrain or speed.
Ask and you shall receive! Storm Bee battery range test video: ua-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/v-deo.html
My biggest concern is the throttle control.. Does it feel like your riding a on/off motor.. or smooth roll on from bottom to top of the power curve?
Same , i like the slack you get from two strokes & their clutch and dislike the clunky eager industrial feel of four strokes they're unforgiving , their like an angle grinder vs a cordless drill
Just went camping with my boys, have 3 dirt bikes, a 450, 300, 230 all Kawasaki. I think this tech is cool, so much quieter but if your camping for days how do you charge it? How long does it take to charge? Would you have to run a generator for hours to charge it?
This thing is going to change the face of motorcycles imho. Only question I have is range, and charging requirements....120v? 220v? Can it be charged with a generator while camping?
You'll probably get a charger based on your country. Mine is 240v for Mongolia. Yes, you can charge it with a substantial generator. I've got a diesel generator 4.5kW and it works. I can check the amperage of the charger if you want.
Says plenty of power then hits the tree and just say ooohhh . Love that
@Jermaine Robinson Haha
I own the storm bee in the UK only ridden 20 miles in 11 months since taking delivery. I must get out more! You should put hand guards on it - bike looks better with them!
Questions:
The bike you were riding looks to be a street legal model. Will SurRon offer both street legal enduro and full on motocross model? What is the actual battery size in terms of kWh? Suspension travel?
Comments:
I went back to your video list and saw the only Zero you have ridden is the DSR. The Storm Bee would be far more comparable to an FX. Especially an FX with a set of knobby tires and a chain conversion. It would be great if you could talk your local dealer who lent you the DSR to lend you a dirt equipped FX and compare it to the Storm Bee. I've seen websites mentioning the Storm Bee will be about $10,400 when released in the US. That is pretty close to the FX price.
Did you get a chance to look at the spokes afterwards? I know the wheels are kind of a weak point on the Sur-Rons. Bike looks like a heck of a lot of fun. Hit 70mph pretty quick and it seemed super stable.
Color options? Price about? Top speed? Battery life, both just cruising and doing a more full send run? Maybe how much a battery is also? All these questions would he neat to answer in the next one. Just giving suggestions thankyou have a good day.
You had me at "Turbo Button." 😂
@Race Provisions TURBO!!!
Very timely review. I plan to order one here in Europe over the winter as it should be a good upgrade over CRF250L. Looking forward to see your full impressions! Also, would be interested to see a side by side comparison with the KTM Freeride (performance, range, etc).
@Laurynas Awesome to hear! In the chassis department, the Storm honestly feels quite similar to the CRF250L. In the power department, the Storm has a lot more torque! I'll definitely be doing some comparisons and range tests, stay tuned. 👍
@Laurynas Side by side comparison here: ua-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/v-deo.html
I love the way they look, I love the idea of having one... BUT charging one and 100 pounds heavier than my husqy 350. This is something I could only own if I kept my stable.
This is something I wish existed when I was younger. Too many times the 2-stroke noise was a beacon for authorities and Karen"s having a problem with the noise LOL.
There is nothing you can do about the weight for the most part, but it sounds like the power and chasis is there, and the suspension is lacking....That's actually a really optimistic outlook for the bike, suspension is one of the easier things to tweak, adjust, or replace. you can't say the same for power or chassis. Go look at the Talaria and Suron aftermarket, about the only thing that isn't getting upgraded on those is the motor and the chassis, and there are even options out there for chassis right now.
One thing we all wanna know range with this type of riding 👍
@Fitzanator Range will be a big topic I'll cover! 👍
Storm Bee battery range test video: ua-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/v-deo.html
It is a bit crazy how this is still pre production, like you said, you've seen them for years now 🤔
I don't get that..
@Ian For sure. One thing I've noticed is that prototype bikes are being leaked way earlier than ever before. The big Japanese and Austrian manufacturers keep their models very close to the chest until the bikes are in production. So by the time the media outlets get their hands on it, the dealerships are very close to having them in stock. Lately, we've seen a lot more bikes being teased at early stages of development. Not to say it's not happening at Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, KTM, etc. It's just all happening behind closed doors.
Another explanation would have something to do with supply and timeframe issues due to Covid. I know the Sur Ron facility had to completely shut down for weeks at a time, multiple times. Those types of setbacks have created some real long-lasting issues for development for all the manufacturers. So, that'd be my best guess or explanation...
@@ElectricCycleRider well that's a very thoughtful explanation indeed sir. 😊
I'd tend to agree, it's has been a crazy few years now, and SurRon is deffinatly an exception in the bunch for how they operate company wise. 👍
291 that’s a heavy bike
how does this bike compare ps wise to ice motorcycles? is it compareable to a 125cc engine? i am asking this because of the driving license one would have to own, to legally ride this bike,
Hey thanks for the great video! Which one would you take between the ktm freeride e-xc and the storm bee? For enduro and trail riding?
@Philippe Moisan Answer to your question here: ua-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/v-deo.html
@@ElectricCycleRider Thanks, very good video.
Dang, 290 pounds is really heavy when compared to a 4 stroke motorcross bike!
How does technical riding work on electric bikes like this? Does the clutch work the same way?
Sorry it's probably a dumb question but I've never considered an electric bike before.
How would you compare this to the STARK VARG? since this can be street legal its so much more of a sale for me. I am not a MX rider i just want a nice offroad bike that i can ride to work some times
Heck yeah! Can't wait for your full review! I would love to know your thoughts when compared to the KTM FR.
I mainly ride trials, light Enduro, and some woods riding. I bought a Talaria as proof of concept and always thought the KTM was my end goal, but who knows maybe it will be the Stormbee.
@R Wolfcastle For sure! I'll get into detail and address that in the coming videos. Thanks for the note 👍
Have the Husky 501 and ride same as you except moderate to technical enduro. Bought the talaria sting for my wife and me to ride around town on the bike trails and love them! Ordered the Stark Varg and can't wait for delivery. The 501 weighs 260 loaded with gear and fuel BTW. I have full faith the electric bikes will take over sooner than later.
@@SunKing2010 I'm a big fan of the 501! A very close friend of mine owns a 2019 and it's been an awesome machine. Cool to hear you've got the Sting to ride around. Very different from your 501 but super fun in the right environment. My hope is for the eMoto bikes to eventually solve the range (and charging) dilemma. If and when that happens, there will be some hard decisions to be made when it comes time to buy a bike... Still 2T and 4T bikes in my garage until that time comes though.
@@SunKing2010
I had a great ride on my friend's 501! I have a 300 but I love that bike too.
@GeoMac Granddad Both awesome bikes!!
I cant wait to have 2 hours of fun on my 4 day bike trip!
Looks like a real emotorcross bike👍👍😎😎
@Scuba Trucker 👍👍
I kept waiting for you to mention about how quiet the bike is!! I think that's my favorite feature. Great video ECR. New subscriber here =)
I currently own and tour with a Yamaha Cross-Connect ebike with two batteries and chargers and I love it. But I am 61 and looking into something like this. I'm interested in the battery to 80% time and the charging system demands. My name is Bicycle Bob and I approved this message.
I like the no music just real sounds and explanation ceep up the great work🫡💪
"I do think this bike was intended as an enduro bike...but maybe more of a... mellow enduro type environment." 😂
I would never own one of those heavy things. I have a two stroke and it's fun to ride and it smells good I love the smoke and the sound you can keep those E bikes
I strictly race harescrambles on the east coast. I'd love to have an electric bike to race with. Currently I race a ktm 250 2stroke with a rekluse clutch.
What would be the best option for me? Can the battery (or an upgraded battery) last a full 2hr+ race? If not is there a model that has a quick swap capability?
im soooo excited for thjis to be releasded... Because now that there's something to compare it to people will stop calling the surron ebike an electric dirtbike. THIS is a dirtbike made from dirtbike parts, built into a dirtbike frame... The surron is a high end electric mountainbike, built with mountainbike components and on a mountainbike-component compatible frame.. e-moto vs e-bike. change my mind.
It looks like a blast but I can't help but feel like I'll still have more fun on my Surron XX on trails like this. This feels more like a dualsport that doesn't excel at any specific thing other than maybe acceleration.
I'd take this all day over a DRZ400 for singletrack, but it doesn't seem to be remotely close to replacing my RM144 or YZ250 2 strokes. DRZ still wins for on road duties, too...
First question: What state is that? Looks amazing.
Would like to see a few different range test.
And, ..... This turbo button you speak of 🤔
I think Colorado.
I live in Colorado. I'll cover the TURBO button in the review but in the meantime, here is the Storm Bee battery range test video: ua-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/v-deo.html
Could you show the battery removal process? My garage has no wall socket. Do you see a chance to deploy a cart with a crane, for handling the battery? Thanks in advance.
-Turbo-Button- "Mystery Button"
Save us some suspense would ya? Thanks! Fun video...
How’s the battery life compared to KTM Freeride?
@Chad 808 Full comparison here: ua-cam.com/video/dO-s4IBTYIc/v-deo.html
Sur Ron should just make a Light Bee that comes with upgraded controller and 72v battery. It would save a lot of people a lot of money on all of the aftermarket upgrades, and Sur Ron would sell tons of them. This Storm Bee model is in a whole other class for sure. Looks good. Cheers.
they did for limeted time
Looks pretty cool. The thing I'm curious about is really really slow trails, how does it do with slow uphill stuff? Is it just all down to throttle control? I'm just trying to understand how it works without a clutch to manage putting the power to the ground. I'm envisioning some stuff I've ridden where I'm climbing very loose/sandy steep trails and by the nature of the trail I can't have a lot of speed. I can feather the clutch and manage exactly how much wheelspin or no wheelspin I want at various points. Also is there a way to disengage the drive? Again I'm just struggling with the thought of no clutch, what if you want to free wheel roll down a hill with no resistance from the drivetrain?
computers man. esc’s handle most of that
Have to say, I’m totally weirded out by the REAR brake being where the front brake usually is on a motorcycle.
I have a older drz400e that is good for me that thing looks fun and I don't usually like electric stuff I want to see the range on that bad boy
That looks like the terrain I'm used to riding here in the Black Hills of South Dakota. I'm really interested in an electric dirt bike, just to see how much more wildlife I can 'sneak' up on. I see a TON of deer, turkeys and once in a great while, a coyote...how much more would I get to see with a much quieter bike. Good ride, thanks.
Wow, those trails are technical!! Where is this video filmed? Also, do you think you could do another video on this bike like in 6 months or longer just to check up on it and see how it's holding up?
I'll give a sub...
could you do a top speed one the street and a range test on street / highway and dirt both miles and hours / minutes range estimate / make your best guess. also will there be battery range upgrades or quick swap / ways to add batteries for more range capabilities ?
Hi Tucker, thanks for making this video. What I am most curious about is how would the make do against a comparable gas powered bike, say an FE 350s? I thought it would be light but seems to come in heavier???
Hey Tucker What is your weight with gear.
The Storm Bee enduro just landed in Aus this past few weeks and the max rider weight stated 100 kg (224 lbs) anyone over that needs to upgrade suspension. Not sure if just a spring or if new full rear shock required. Dealer not sure at moment. Too new for them to know.
RRP in Aus =AUD 14,490.00 plus on roads as it is road reg capable.
Interested to see what range or riding time is in real world single track like you were doing.
In Aus trailer to bush and ride for a 6-8 hr day -I guess will require a generator to charge back up if range is not great.
Love your content
Thank you for your review. Btw congrats on the TKO race. Impressive.
I’m ready to buy a Electric motion escape R and after this video I’m not sure anymore !?!? I’m 60 years old and like to ride single track. My concern with the storm bee would be the additional 90 lbs weight between these 2 bikes. What are your thoughts and advice. Thank you.
Has the commentary been added later on after the filming the ride but made to sound like he is commentating whilst riding. I only ask as aprox between 9.10 to 9.20 it looks like the vid jumps but the commentary doesnt. Probably just good edeting. Great vid, very informative Honest review.
I just found your channel! Greatness!
My Suzuki DR 350 weighs 287lb air cooled. Water cooled 400 is like 320 I think.
Big ole dual sport. 260 lbs isn’t bad for the storm bee but I’d like to see em get closer to the 240 like most modern fuel injected 450’s. My yz250 only weighs 226 wet so that’s a big difference for me out in the woods, but maybe here soon.
Lmao idk what bike your thinking of that’s a 450 and weighs 240 or less
@@joemicheal1314 crf 450 244lbs, Yz 450 240lbs, ktm sxf 450 claims 238, kx 450 242 lbs…. I said closer to 240 never less, jumping up 40 lbs on a bike is a big difference.
What type of helmet would you wear? An MX or maybe a full face MTB helmet
Suspension and weight clearly are hurting the bike a little. The rear shock angle is of concern as well, spring rate is insane for that angle, might as well have been a no link set up. It needs to go on a diet, but what exactly would/could you remove?
@FactoryXperimental FactoryX Great points and a great question...
If there is anything you can compare with the Light Bee, what did surron get better on this model/get wrong?
The light bee is very upgradable, do you see similar opportunities for the Storm to also be upgraded?
What features would you recommend upgrading right out of the box, for a true dual sport?
I've never seen a dirt bike with a reverse. I would've liked to have seen that in action. (Someone else recording you doing it on the bike.)
Three questions:
Range riding like in the video,
Range riding very mellow,
Range riding full out.
Storm Bee battery range test video: ua-cam.com/video/M7OdA4gijjg/v-deo.html
Air cooled? (Seems so) any issues with power reductions as motor heats up? As a "dual sport" you would expect sustained high speed fire road capability without heat issues.
I really, really love electric as a powerplant in everything. However, the smaller displacement Honda's are less expensive by far. Once we are not paying premiums and the Japanese start building electric bikes, I'm in. ❤
Well one thing to think of is the suspension, i's like pogosticks. For people who ride hard, I'd say suspension and fork got to go and be replaced with proper parts.
Awesome Tucker! You are the main reason I own two Sur Rons.👍🏻
@Dean F Awesome Dean!! Hope you're enjoying them and thanks for the note 👍
That bass hits
Best ebike design ever like enduro❤
Am I the only one that's not a fan of the Baby Blue/Teal accents? Hopefully they offer an all black version.
Ok but what's it's equivalent?? I need to know what it could keep up with. 250 or 450? I don't understand. Yea msrp is probably 15k
what do you think needs to change on it for it to be a bad ass dirt bike?