AIM-120 Capable Viggen, R-73s Removed And More (War Thunder Jets 2nd Dev Server Overview)
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- Опубліковано 13 гру 2022
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I’m not surprised that top teir jets guzzle fuel now, my dad flew the F-16C and he said when you go into afterburner you could see the fuel gauge moving
The Viggen is a gimmick I wish they gave the modifications to Viggen C instead of forcing us to grind another ja37C
Eh, at least they get 350+ Large countermeasures.
@БойБорг690_ guess what. C viggen had them also. In irl, the only difference between Viggen D and C was that D was modified to carry Rb99 (aim-120). Other then that it is the same jet. Gaijin could have just given Viggen C the countermeasures pods and Rb74, move ot up in br and insted giving us copy and paste they could give us better Striker versions of Viggen (I think it was like AJS37)
Gah i just finnished researching the viggenC
@@Kminek246 Viggen is the original strike version (hence why JA is the Jaktviggen and the AJ is Viggen). But yes, the upgraded AJS would be much better to add while giving the C its rb 74s and bump it up to rank VIII if that was needed.
@Dogge yeah I know the Viggen is the strikek and Jaktviggen is fighter. It is just easier for me to call all of them Viggen. But thanks for that.
The grind will be so annoying before I will get it amd when I will get it I will be fighting people who just bought their way to F-16 and Mig-29. Plus another thing, I don't think JA37D should be a 11.7. I would more see it as a 11.3 but that's me
Holy crap the earliest I've ever been to a video here
Sort of annoys me that the better drakens are locked behind an extortionate pay wall, I do genuinely enjoy the drakens and was looking forward to their later counterparts, but as gaijin is gaijin, locks it behind a pay wall
Exactly
Yeah... And that makes them pay to win too as their should be cosmetic differences or side grades but not upgrades.
I’m pretty sure the JA-37D isn’t getting AMRAAMS; from what I saw, it’s just getting Skyflashes and AIM-9L’s. At the least, if we aren’t getting the r73, I don’t think we should get the AMRAAM either
and why when the usa received the aim54(ARH) no one else received those types of missiles?
@@AZ-dj1ni You're acting like the AIM-54s weren't super easy to evade and avoid even without chaff. They are not the F-14s strongest weapon whatsoever - they are very situational and required proper skillfull usage to get kills with. Even now, most people still have no idea about its ability to Data Link with TWS, and as such they fail to effectively use the missile.
@@jonathanoriley8260 so if they are easy then why don't they put it in other nations? I'm not talking about the effectiveness of the weapons, I'm talking about the TYPE of weapon
If they are easy to dodge, let the active radar missiles hit the other nations. Totally they will not break the game like the R73
@@AZ-dj1ni effectiveness matters more than type of weapon. ARHs we’re designed primarily to target bombers, not fighters. This is especially true for early ARHs, namely the aim 54. And since the aim 54 is the first operational ARH, and the most famous armament of the f-14, it was the one added first. Keep in mind, these kinds of missiles have only really become viable in the last 40 years or so, excluding basically any pre-1980s jet in war thunder. I mean, can you name what other fox 3 missiles are historically accurate to other nations’ top tier jets?
@@AZ-dj1ni Have you considered the possibility that other nations _don't have anything equivalent_ to the AIM-54? Do your research. Giving other nations active radar missiles would mean giving them AMRAAMs and AMRAAM equivalents, and that is a _massive_ jump in performance compared to the Phoenix which is practically a novelty/gimmick missile. The AIM-120 AMRAAM is an evolution of the AIM-7 Sparrow made full active, and AIM-7E2s and AIM-7Fs are already some of the strongest missiles in the game especially when in combination with Pulse Doppler radar capable aircraft. If anything, AMRAAMs would be more OP than the buffed R-73s we saw on the dev server.
Don't be ignorant and naive. You don't want War Thunder releasing real FOX-3s just yet - not with what we have right now and not with how compressed the Battle Ratings at top tier air are.
Gaijin didn't need to add JA37D. They could have given JA37C its Rb74 and extra countermeasures pods like it carried like it should have and move it up in BR. And give Sweden a better version of the Striker Viggen, which I think is AJS37 or something like that.
This is just researching JA37C once again to have the armaments and countermeasures that it should have in a first place. And just exchange Cin the name for D.
They went you to shell out them GE
Basically what should have been done to the mld/f4e instead of adding the f16 and an even later block of it for other tech trees, not to mention an even more op mig29 version than what should have been added that would have been comparable to the f16a blk 10
Only reason they made the D variant was to add the aim120, and since the mig29 got its r73 removed (thank god for that) I unfortunately don't see the aim120 making it's way into the game just yet, I will still be grinding for the D variety just because the 9ls are a pretty good upgrade and the monstrous amount of flares that probably won't do anything against the r27
@@TheDougsSB basically yeah
Also the viggen d had hmd in rl so we will see if they drop it
F-16 can't go up against MiG-29s in BVR. However there is this strange plane which was added a few patches ago, it can carry up to 6 missiles capable of sending a man to the moon
Meanwhile in DCS World it's the best BVR fighter although that is the F-16C.
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough amraams go brrrr
According to the J-7 wiki, the D variant is an evolution of a reverse-engineered Mig-21MF (J-7C), with reworked sensors and engine. It's a late 90s upgrade of an MF, basically.
It's essentially a 21bis when all said and done.
Brother really called the J-7D a straight upgrade of the J-7E. 💀
avg spitflyer L take lmao
Also considers the A-10 as the most powerful premium lol. Amazing how many of his takes are outright wrong or just shit. Its like he doesn't even bother to read dev blogs or anything either. Only watch these videos for the clown takes honestly and the whining about Gaijin acting the exact same as they have for the past near decade.
The best part is that they moved the f14 back to rank 7 so I can get the f16 without grinding the entire attacker tree
Just for a month, after which it will be moved back to tier 8
Whilst the J7-D will be a good plane, I think you're massively understating how strong the J7-E and the PL-5 is. The engine power combined with the double delta wing means the J7-E runs rings around a lot of jets at the BR, and PL-5's are among the best IR missiles in game, especially at high altitude.
Yeah pl5b’s are hands down better missiles than the pl7 (magic 1) despite have 5 g’s less pull it’s just better in every other way
I Hope sweden gets the T-7A Red hawk
@@dilldoe1991 That's how you know he shouldn't be talking about that missile as he has no experience with it at all.. PL-5B is easily the strongest rear aspect missile in game...
@@demetriusdemarcusbartholomew it's not in active service yet, and the only country that has ordered it is USA, Sweden has no reason to get it in game. Is it even an armed trainer?
Well yes but the 7D is not the 7E. The 7D is just a slightly better 21bis essentially. It's going to be absolutely nothing special and not that good besides its missiles. The missiles help the 7E but what makes the 7E so good is its flight performance the 7D doesn't have.
My main played nation is Britain and it's a little weird that we're getting a ground attack Tornado after having the Harrier II introduced just a few months ago. I would have preferred the Tornado ADV, though I'm glad to see it in the game at all. Still, I agree with your assessment - the Tornado IDS is not going to be strong in Air RB. At best it's a base bomber, at worst it will die before it even gets there.
With how fast jet battles are, at best it will die before it can drop bombs
I think it will be a good base bomber. I don’t see why it won’t be able to? Should be very good at it.
@@tinylegofiend8605 I think it will be a good base bomber. I don’t see why it won’t be able to? Should be very good at it.
@@imperialinquisition6006 It's not particularly faster than the aircraft at its br. It doesn't get an airspawn. F-14s will see it before it can get close to a base. Base bombing isn't exactly very popular these days
Britain, Germany and Italy is just going to continue getting shafted until likes of the Euro fighter enters the fray but even then you'll be suffering because gajin is going to give the americans a block 50 or some dumb shit and call it ''balance''
Curious he didn’t talk about Germany and Italy’s tornado that UK is getting, but suppose he talked about it for UK. Would of been curious for context to Italy and Germany though
still gonna be shit in air. I'm honestly just waiting for germany to get its own mig 29
Also a thing to note with the F-16 MLU: *compare the elevator size of the F16A and the MLU.* the MLU has a larger elevator which means more pull.
Actually, when it comes to the j7e the pl5b are amazing, I like them way more than the magic 1. Magic is better in terms of maneuvering, but when it comes to flare resistance they're basically the same, but the pl5 can be used on much longer ranges since it doesn't loose speed nearly hast fast has the magic 1 which makes them much more useful on the top tier.
people really sleep on pl5 they basically 30g aim9g
Yeah i think in most situations the pl 5s are better
Fun thing i'm pretty sure the premium j7 got pl7s, but they might have taken them away
@Macekeeks tbh it's a 30g aim9g with slightly better flare resistance. Atleast it feel like it. But people do be sleeping on the j7e with the pl5
@@aenodarr7936 magics are honestly over rated they arent hard to flare and have a pretty short range
i cant join the dev server, were the updates added just before the dev server ended today?
if you missed the recent dev blog, italy and germany are also getting the tornado
gib bigger map, bigger playercount and Fox 3 already
Only thing Japan got was Aim9L for the EJ Kai which is very welcomed. However...supposedly there was supposed to be a premium EJ but no model has ever been seen. Heck even the premium Mirage was able to be viewed even though it was hidden (as apparently was the EJ ADTW). However this is Japan we are talking about so don't expect much.
The dev server closed a couple of hours ago right? I thought they said the Mig23MLD wasn't going to be moved to Rank 8?
true hopefully is very fun
Italy and Germany will be getting the Tornado IDS (Otherwise known as the GR.1). The F-16 and MiG-29 respectively will come in later patches.
JA-37D also got some changes in the cockpit, one of which being the big lcd MFD that would go into the early gripens. Would be cool to see that added for sim players. Diggen would be nasty in Sim if it does
“Diggen” haha I like it
@@Spitflyer one could say you dig it.
PLEASE FUCKING GOD ADD FLARES TO THE J35D
D didnt had flares only xs version
@@CruLisP the j35Ö did and that was just a austrian D
France does get a Mirage f1 premium. As well as Japan will get a F4-EJ premium (not the Kai, just a normal EJ)
Oh and you missed the fact tthhat the lazer-M gets a Fox -1... or it says so on the store page.
Dang did you look at any of the updates or devblogs? Italy is getting a tornado.
So is germany they also talked about them getting a fighter version
I wish they gave the a6 anti radiation missiles since it would have been cool to see
honestly I think giving the r60ms to the mig 29, which are similar but easier to flare aim9Ls is a good reason to buff the filght characteristics, apparently the mig29 is supposed to be fairly equal to the f16, if not better at higher speeds especially in turn rate
The F16 consumes over 11 liters of fuel per second in full afterburner irl so im not surprised.
Any chance you could do a updated premium buyers guide?
This Dev Server is crazy.
I wouldn't underestimate that premium Starfighter, so long as the pilot keeps the throttle firewalled and if it gets countermeasures it could be a monster. It's insane how the US still only has the early versions without countermeasures
It's such bullshit. It's our goddamn plane!
Honestly a lot of these prems look really nice and i would like to get hem BUT everyone else can do the same even if you never played a single WT match before. And well what's the Point of me buying a 11.3 prem if i just don't want to play it since the teams will be horrible. And also this is a massive buff for the US since they "only" get a 10.0 prem so their top end is prem free
About the 120s , AIM-120A has less range than AIM-7F/M...but it is active radar homing and there is also a deadzone at 2km, you have to be farther for it to work.
The problem with JA37D is that it used AIM-120B which is a different story and has more range.
im like 90% sure that the only difference between the A and B is the electronics(B is harder to notch/chaff/jam etc)
I’m pretty sure the J-7D is a MiG-21 MF but with a weaker engine, and all MiG-21bis’s we’ll be getting R60Ms and the Italian F-104 premium is getting countermeasures
The J7D is a reverse engineered Mig21MF with a better engine ( ~500kgf more thrust with AB), but it's nowhere near as good as the J7E
I dont get gaijin already confirmed German tornado so not put on the dev server, i wanna know wich line it will come ...
How many vehicles in Tier 7 do I need to get tier 8 unlocked?
some people still think that the f16 that us is getting had sparrows, it never did.
If they add the AMRAAM for the JA37, they’ll probably add it as well to the F-16A MLU. It would also give Gaijin an excuse to add the F-4F KWS.
Never head of the KWS but I can almost guarantee they'll add the F-4F ICE
Yeah F-4F ICE would be pretty close. 9Ls and AIM-120s
When will the update come out
Why is it that the premium plans are always the ones that get top tier missies at lowers BRs than everything else. A10, A6E, SU 25k
I'm pretty sure Smin1080 said that Italy is getting the Tornado
Anyone have a hint to when the patch drops
When is the update?
I think that saying an aircraft is better than anything else is wrong, at least without mentioning that this is the case on a theoretical level. I mostly play SIM with the MLD and I have 100+ battles in it so if we assume on average 2 Tomcats per match, I have encountered nearly 200 different F-14 pilots. I would say that 95% of them rely so much on their fancy high tech toys that they forget how to dogfight. Everytime I was getting locked I would just notch and let them spam their missiles while I was pressing nothing at all and kept as good of a notch as I could. When they got within FOX-2 range I would preflare a bit and then last moment I would pull hard to get out of their HUD and throw off their aiming. After the merge they would just bleed all their energy allowing me to out rate them easily. I reamember being in a 1v3 against F-14s and instead of one of them just circle around, while I was busy, to get a good shot on me, they would instead all keep trying to rate me. One got killed by his teamate, I think one became a submarine, run away or got killed by a friendly and I put an R-60 between the engines of the 3rd.
My point is that a plane's tech can help you up to certain point and then it's pilot skill. If F-16 pilots turn out to be at the same caliber, skill wise, as the F-14 pilots I've met so far in sim then I am not afraid. If the F-16 pilots turn out to be able to keep up with me in a rate fight, whatever that reason may be, then I'll just switch to one circle where the Fulcrum is better at than the F-16 If they model them properly at least.
So again bottom line is, at least from my experience in SIM, that just because a plane has good tech, it doesn't mean, it's going to dominate and this goes for every plane whether that is the MLD, Tomcat, Fulcrum etc. Unless you're fighting an F-22 in something like a Mig-21, pilot skill is going to play a significant role.
I really don’t think the AMRAAMs will be that big of a threat with the size of these maps. It’s way too small and I don’t really see how WT could properly integrate BVR engagements
Actually, Sweden gets J35J as a premium, with 6xRB24J and only one cannon (90 rounds, without tracers ofc)
They could add the bloody 9Ls to the F4F since Germany is getting nothing (apart from a possible Tornado which is still a crappy plane in comparison to the other new toys)
A6 at 10.0 with flares chaff and aim9L, but over in the f4c you dont even get flares.
I'm sure there might be more people move over to Swedish tech tree just to get that AIM-120 capable jet instead of the AIM-7 capable F-16.
the viggen should also get additional fuel tanks since it burns so much fuel and if i'm correct, Sweden was the first nation in the world to have head mounted sights so teh viggen should get that too. I know it would probobly be the most powerfull plane in the game for a while if it get all it's specs but if the technology is in the game the viggen should get what it deservs.
Hey Aussie brother!
Say goodbye to top tier air rb, great video
I want to see the f14 against the viggen now
The A6 looks like the plane they train F-14 pilots in.
"Italy, dead on arrival as per usual" I feel that...
am i gnna buy the mig-23ML most likely but unlike most ppl that will i at least already got 11,3 air w ussr n even brits so at least ill have some knowledge on how stuff works
On the face of it, the Tornado GR.1 will be DOA. No real use as a fighter, outdone in the CAS role by the Harrier GR.7, all it’ll be decent for is rushing bases in ARB and I don’t think that’ll be reliable at top tier. Adding a fighter variant instead and adding the GR.1 as a lower BR bomber, or maybe even a GR.4 depending on how much later it’s added
Wait by the title, amraams are getting added but r73s aren't? Wtf?? If thats the case thats dumb. But its highly unlikely
it's a little misleading, the plane being added (JA37D) is capable of using AMRAAMS but won't get them, the only difference between the C and D models in WT for the moment is that the D gets RB 74s (AIM-9L?) and more countermeasures
@@harveyknguyen yes, the ja 37D is getting all the extra countermeasures and AIM9L that the ja 37C should already have
@@einar8019 yeah basically it's just a JA37C 2
So the JA37D is capable of carrying them. Gaijin could potentially add the AIM-120 to this Viggen either this patch or later but idk what would warrant 11.7 on a plane that essentially performs the same as the 11.0 version
If the kfir premium is 10.3 I'm sorely tempted........
J35J is the coming premium :)
Sweden got j35J and France mirage f1c variant
All aspect missiles and any missile that can pull 30+g should be 10.7 at a minimum. Doesn't matter if you strap a single missile like this to a bus then push it off a cliff and claim it can fly
Pl5 missiles are better then magic ones guaranteed 100% they are underrated they also have good range and then pull straight off the rails it’s better then a magic one and the flare resistance is very good.
hey spit what abt the f14a shouldnt it get aim9ls and aim54bs now?
no,its staying at 11.3
The ‘early’ name means it never will, the ‘late’ in the files will whatever it is and the f14B will
@@oak9065 well aim9ls atleast?
@@chrisszpeterz642 it doesn't need them id say, the F-16 will be used in that role.
@@chrisszpeterz642 idk aim9Ls we’re introduced just 2 years after the F14 so them naming it ‘early’ seems like they really wanna limit it to a very early F14
I'll be buying the 23ml since I have germany top tier but not russia and since germany isn't getting the mig29 for at least a while I'd rather fly a very similar plane to what fly now.
As soon as I saw the dev stream I realized they didn’t have enough for another update and they held these back to they could release them with a bunch of premiums to me this update is nothing but a cash grab but even saying that I can also see that the jets are no where near done idk it doesn’t sit right with me with how many premiums we are getting to tech tree stuff
dude Pl-5s beat the shit out of magic 1's. Theyre the best non all aspect IR missile bar none. Not to mention that the j7e has better flight performance as well.
Honestly wish the F-4J wasn't a premium
For one it's stupid your fastest way to getting a Phantom is as a British Premium
For two I was really hoping it'd be added as a tech-tree vehicle so we could get Skyflash Super Temps (7 Seconds of burntime compared to 4 seconds) and AIM-9Ls on a Phantom without having to bump up the Phantoms in BR
But what is done is done, now the least used variant of the Phantom will be the one that everyone can use
I’m honestly not playing until they add the f 15 as the extension of the F4e tree, it’s the only tree I have done anything in, kinda sucks they haven’t added something further down the tree yet
But the f-15 will be rank 8 meaning you have to unlock 5 rank 7 vehicles to get access to it. Pretty frustrating. I’m about to give up on this game lol
It might stay in tier 7, I would say that they are similar to the f-5 and the f-4
They put the r60MK missiles on the MIG-21 and not on the MIG-29
The MK is an export M
"next time" raaaaaaah :D
Urgh we need Air RB EC.
germany will get the Tornado along with other countrys if u look at the devblog u can see
9Ms and 7Ms when
MLU could also carry aim120s
Gaijin claims to still be working on an unfinished fighter for Italy. Certainly it isn't a Typhoon. So, perhaps a Tornado ADV or F-16 Block 15ADF.
Also, France is getting a premium F1C-200
Sadly Italy is getting this update a Tornado. Hopefully in next one Italy would get F-16. Or I think they could even get Harier 2+ if they don't five it Aim-120B (like they did now with JA37C....I will call it C and nor D because now it has the load out which JA37C is supposed to have)
Germany and Britain apparently have a fighter coming this patch
@@11Tits don't know about that. Because it was also confirmed by devblog that they are also getting Tornado amd on forums was said that no nation is getting more them one TT rank 8 jet
@@Kminek246 i know this as a moderator on the forum was telling us to keep waiting for something interesting for Britain and Germany (No mention of italy). This was in response to someone crying out about britain suffers the Gr1 is utter shit and the devs pulled another javelin update
Tornado IDS for Italy
They said that the Tornado ADV is not finished for this patch
Well us mains, we still have f-14 for bvr we should be fine
I cant figure out radar for the life of me....
wish i could tho. i cant lock or lose lock all the time, even when trying to figure it out in custom against bots :(
Can't wait to play top tier in US and French tech trees which I have worked 2,400 hours to get to there and spade with no premium, only to get clapped by a lvl19 true A-6E enjoyer with probably 2 kills already
Germany and Italy are getting tornado
J7 eats F14s alive no issues ..
With how aim 9Ls are on the dev server anything with flares can flare it. And it only takes 1 flare!! They have made these missiles as potent as aim 9h s while we have to deal with the r27 which always finds its target. Gaijin thinks the r73s were too good when in reality the r27ts are op af
Will they have any christmas event? or package sales? need to level up my Russian bias
The new premiums coming out WONT be on sale these Christmas sales
@@z3r942 ik
They really took r73s awat wtf
God knows why the A-6 can get the aim9l but the F4C can’t, gotta get that money
im sure that Italy and germany both get the tornado
Guys if you want top tier premium jet for grind entire tech tree, think about which top tier jet premium is good. Dont waste on usless top tier premium jet and dont waste it in trash jet, think about carefully (which premium jet is good to grind tech tree)
Gaijin fucked up when they added the JA37C in a time when no fighters were allowed to have 9L's. Of course they then doubled down on the mistake and instead of fixing the JA37C they add the JA37D which only purpose was to carry AMRAAM's, without giving it any.
They should just have upgraded the JA37C and then added the AJS37 which is ground attack and can carry 4 9L's or only 2 together with guns and/or countermeasures.
But Gaijin is Russian and they just can't admit making mistakes...
Italy gets the tornado along with the German and Britain
They never did a second dev server yet lol
I must admit, I bought the F-4J UK today. I felt extremely guilty getting a top tier premium, as I have long chastised top tier premiums, and I definitely did not feel good spending 100 CAD on a fucking arcade premium plane in the snail game. I can normally justify 70USD + purchases for sims like DCS World, but for WT its just ridiculous. I only bought the J UK because I need to grind out the UK tree, and the Lightning F.53 is the worst fucking plane ever made. (This could be slightly alleviated with BR decompression so it doesn't see SU-25Ks, A-10s, and A-5Cs...)
But yeah. I fear for the future of this game.
France just got something competitive man wtf... since theyre adding the F16 and Mig 29 can we get the Rafale or something
Gaijin adds too modern vehicles then realizes and then they nerf.
Still waiting for the day when gaijin adds a accurate fuel timer. It’s not that hard. Fuel rate/fuel amount. Fucking hell gaijin.
I've given up playing air rb after attempting to spade the f4e so I don't exactly know whats happening, but seeing that the r73s were removed I consider it a good thing, the 60ms are still really capable at top tier as far as I'm aware so I don't really think russia needs them
The R60's are nowhere near capable compared to the Aim-9L's that many nations get. Sure they pull hard but they're very short range and eat flares like no tomorrow.. Unlike something like the Magics and 9L's. The R73 was balanced faily well in the first dev server but for some reason Gaijin buffed the shit out of it and decided to remove it on that note. Pretty much half the update was wasted on premium CTRL + C CTRL + V and nerfing the MiG-29
yea, I have given up trying to spade, let alone even play the F-4F in ARB... Imagine playing the F-4E without your aim-7's, cause that's the F-4F, it is just so bad at it's current br
the JA 37D aint gettin amraams. no way
its not gaijins goal to make sweden competitive, their goal is to sell premiums.
I disagree. PL5B's are much better than PL-7s. PL7's have no range and are easily flared the magic2's have the flare resistance, not the magic 1. PL5B's have insane range and are not flared at all because the enemy doesn't even see the missile coming as the motor is burned out well before they notice.
so we all grind for a mis21 mig bis but now people can just buy it for $70 wtf
I dont hope the viggen gets the amraam before usa get it