A Chinese Plane Worth Grinding For: J-8B (War Thunder)
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- Опубліковано 28 січ 2023
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Fun fact, on the original skin of the J-8B, the number is “81192”. There a quite sad story behind it. In the 90s, the J-8B with s-number 81192 collided with a foreign AWAC after the reconnaissance aircraft did a dangerous maneuver, cutting of the vertical stabilizer of the J-8. The pilot couldn’t eject and definitely couldn’t make it back to any airbase. That day is now a Memorial Day for all Air Force service members who passed away in the peaceful years with: “calling 81192, calling 81192” as the symbol phrase
i think spit accidentally put an ace combat clip instead of a war thunder one in the beginning
8492nd flashbacks
Classic aim 54 bukakke
@@registrado54 what are you talking about? that squadron doesn’t exist in osea
Fun fact-the J8B had a pulse Doppler radar, but gaijoobles thinks that was only as a part of the Peace Pearl program, it wasn’t, we were just gonna put the f16 radar on it.
Post info on it on the forums dude
I do find the J8 a very enjoyable aircraft however i find it very hard to take over the J7E, sure i still play it for some diversity but J7E feels like such an upgrade with the superior energy retention and turn rate .
Sure you get the aspides but i find them very situational and usually just load 4 PL5s or just one Aspide, Its a great plane i just find it difficult to recommend it over the J7E since it can fight the meta so much more effectively
They really should give the J-8B all aspect PL-5E and bump it to 11.3 imo. China already has plenty at 11.0.
@Targa Pantera Cause the J-7E is just a blaintly superior plane over the J-8, J-8 might have radar missiles ability but the radar is ass to mid, performance is meh to ok the missiles are good the Gsh is good but its ass to aim and what not. J-7E is better cus the performance where it matters is better, energy retention and actual turn rate like how you said before. J-7 is just the better plane
If memory serves me right the J-8A was heavily influenced by the Su-7. However the design was found to be inpractical and evolved into the twin air intake configuration with space for a bigger radar in the nose, you see on the J-8B. Again might be wrong but I remember reading something like this when I did an ORBAT of the PLAAF around 2016-ish.
It might have been influenced by the Su-7, but it was mostly a development of the J-7, basically an enlarged, more powerful version of it. The J-8B was an even larger redesign, with many aerodynamic and technical changes.
I don't think it was the Su7 but rather the Su11 as both are interceptors with similarity to the Mig21/J7 respectively. Hence why the J8B is also a copy of the Su15. They just came into fruition a fair bit later.
su 15 airframe
There's still so many J-8s left to put into the game, the J-8, J-8A, J-8E, the J-8B Block 02, J-8II 'Peace Pearl', J-8C, J-8D, J-8II ACT, F-8IIM, J-8H, J-8F, F-8T/J-8T etc. there could be a whole line of J-8s TBH.
The peace pearl would be kinda insane tbh. I’m down
@@Spitflyer 'Peace Pearl' is a good name for the project but I really like calling it the 'Freedom Finback' ;)
@@Spitflyer yeah at least in DCS deka is pretty close to releasing a J8PP and it looks like itll be really good
Saw this plane in the tech tree and was actually beginning to wonder what it's like. Nowhere near enough time to grind something like this out but thanks for the gameplay Spit!
Anytime :)
I refer to these missiles as "Chairman's Saturn V"
I love the PL5's to death but please PL8 on the next plane
I used the J-8 to get the F-16 during the release week and it was really painful (both from the plane being meh compared to the F-14 spam, and the teams). I'm happy to see that it's in a better position BR wise now.
After nothingness happened
US: F-16 Declined
Israel: Allow us to introduce ourselves
That totally not Ace Combat moment in the intro though.
As for the J-8B's history, it was supposed to have used the data from reverse engineering the MiG-23 they bought from the Egyptians. But visually, it definitely resembles the Su-15 more than the MiG-23.
The Chinese did have some interesting history with the MiG-23, like how the J-8B’s intakes are very much inspired from that on the 23. Around that time, the Chinese even wanted to reverse engineer the MiG-23 because they were seriously lacking good fighters by then and there’s always a chance of Soviets beating China’s ass.
Even after that time, the MiG-23 still had use to the Chinese because they wanted to reverse engineer its engine into the upcoming J-10’s intended engine, which was going to be called the WP-15. That project went nowhere, because 1) you’re just not putting turbojets on gen 4s, and 2) they instead used AL-31s (Su-27 engines) from buying Russian Flankers.
Its a plane worth going to jail for , or worse.
China is ground RB is pretty op rn at the 8.-9.0 range, fighting so many thermals, tams, TURMS and t64-t-72s in my xm803
Ah yes, nothing happened in 1989, and no social credit was deducted, bing chilling.
Now that it's at 11.0, i might take it out again. wonder how many times it gets fully uptiered to 12.0
Hey spit you should cover the F-104G (any of them work I’ve been using the Italian one) the battle rating changes have revitalised that plane and it sits in a pretty good place now
Well the Italian 104g only has 2 missiles doesn’t it
This is hilarious because I just started grinding the Chinese tech tree yesterday.
I just hope that they'll give the J-8B the PL-8's back
it's really good i put talisman on it to grind rank 8 chinese aircrafts(only f16 for now)
Actually us tried selling an f16 variant, with the j79 engine, the f104 one, to Chiba
I am a war thunder player and I play china, this is worth grinding for.
So I noticed that every game you played was a full uptier. I've been experiencing the same with the J-8B/J-7E and I've started to suspect that gaijin did something to the matchmaker. I was playing the same day as the br changes dropped and only got one uptier, but the day after I could not get a single downtier.
It's probably because everybody is playing 12.0 and since it sits at 11.0 it'll always get sucked up into those brackets
i’m not disappointed i mean a spit video is a spit video but it would be nice to see more props again
I’ll work on it. You’re not the only one who has mentioned it
now that its 11.0 (and a lot of other stuff has moved up) its not bad, i just take 1 aspide though because the radar is shit shame aspides got nerfed a little not long ago. It's way faster than you said unless you are talking about on the deck.
5:17 No Mao magic. Just a fuck-off massive underside folding fin that bestows on you the horizontal nose authority of Charlie sheen.
This is some twilight zone stuff. I was just googling around about the J-8B a few hours ago, and then this pops up. I've been loving the J-7E, but have found most games are against F-16s and Mig-29s, while having a repair cost higher than them. As good as the J-7E is, you're still going to get shot down quite often, and it just isn't very profitable. Hopefully they look at the repair costs with the the addition of gen-4, failed BR decompression at 11.0 (12.0's struggle to get games at decent queue times so you get sucked up to help them), and the J-7E being no longer the top-dog in the department it used to be. J-8B at least has a better repair cost.
I have the J-8B, J7e, and F-16. When I play 11.0 I usually play the J-8b. If you dont get at least 3 kills in the J-7e youre not making any profit in SL
They need to fix the repair costs in this game
Aesthetically it has the front of a mig-23, wings of a mig-21, engines and rear of a mig-19
In my opinion it just looks like an su-15. But what you're saying really makes sense now that I think of it
Its more like a su15
I’d say front of a MiG-25, body of a MiG-21 and tail of a MiG-19
I noticed in sim the pl5bs are almost unflareable
~A plane worth grinding for!~
when welding two mig21s together goes right
Quality was good
Daily aim54 reminder in the start clip there, god i love long range ARH spam!!
Kinda disappointing to see guys not being able to simply:
be aware when fighting US
look out for suspicious linear cloud streaks
minimise closure rate
notch
Enemy missile(s) and adversary awareness depleted
@@justtypical8604 Lmao, yeah sure you can easily notch them at range, sure you can see those missiles from some distance away.
However, how do you intend to dodge those missiles if they're coming from more than one angle, closing at Mach 5, coming from above the clouds (thereby you cannot see those missiles), and if you add aim7s, it just becomes an absolute pain.
Sure, you can easily dodge 1-2 of them, but an f14 can carry a full stack of them and spam them every few minutes.
@@musicheaven1679 That is why you do not go full aft into enemy flight path, if you are remotely close to teammates the enemy will be forced to either disengage or eat a missile. If you are getting launched at from 7km away(or only see the missile then) quite frankly that is simply a skill issue, when maintaining proper awareness and positioning , you w i l l be able to minimise closure rate and notch, defeating the missile
If you position yourself poorly and are getting launched at from similar angles, you should put the aircraft in a notch(bringing most of the signals to 90 degrees) whilst diving and chaff but to be honest, you should rarely ever find yourself in that situation, it is simply pilot error.I won't bother covering getting radar locked from multiple angles which are perpendicular to each other (or close)as that means you made a critical mistake and you should spend more time learning how to play the game before crying about" super fast impossible to notch ARH, F14 overpowered!"
TL:DR- Positioning and situational awareness are paramount to surviving bvr combat, sadly it does in fact require more than 2brain cells to thrive in that style of combat but:
utilise teammates
don't position yourself inbetween adversaries.
when defeating a close range radar missile:deploy air brakes ,periodically chaff, hit the notch and dive.
i asked myself like 10 minutes ago if i should grind for it
I can’t get locks with the radar for the life of me when using the aspides on this thing it’s frustrating
It's all fun and games until a Viggen shows up.
When sideclimbing in jets to get altitude, is there an easy way to determine which way to climb? I find that I'm about 50/50 on it, sometimes I have half the enemy team pointed at my face because they climbed to the same side as I did, other times I have free reign because I went the opposite direction of anyone else. I feel like going to the left seems to work a little better, but not always.
Bit late but depends what BR you at and if you get a downtime or not. For example if I get a downtier in the j8b in going to climb high due to better missile performance but in top tier vs f16, f14, mig29 etc I'm staying low to the ground
Isn't the KLJ-1 in this plane a PD radar irl? Some sources I see state it is but I don't know if this particular plane had it (be it that this specific plane collided with a prop plane)
I think it does but idk anything about the plane. I wish it did have PD but I’m just gonna play it as it is in game. It works ok I guess
I absolutly loved the PL5b before the f16 and Mig29, I used to spam the J7E, but now ... PL5b can't reach the latest jets due to their speed, it's frustrating imo
And with the change to how missiles go for flares I can't really get kills (to be fair I'm stock and only have 2 but it's really hard to get kills)
@@shikikanaz4624 You really have to go high altitude, wait until everybody forgets you, and fall on their back, 2 missiles = 2 kills with this bird if you do it like that. But yeah, way harder now than it used to be...
I hate flying this thing so much, I actually enjoy energy retention lmaooo
I’ve been grinding for this but I’m 2 jets away and feel like I’m making no progress
almost there my friend
Yer. I recently started grinding china and have only made it to the first jets and i already what to kill myself. Anyway I wish you good luck on your grinding.
Does it have any other camo schemes available? That anti-flash white style of paint is really unappealing.
It has definitely got a very strong Su-15 vibe. But the Chinese learned from the many of the weaknesses of the Sukoi. No need for pylon mounted gun pods and not stuck with the only useful against 747s AA-3 Anabs.
it doesn't have another camo. chinese planes dont really have many camos in this game there are like 8 of them for the entire tech tree
@@ferrous3262 Bummer. It’s not like I was getting there anytime soon, but it still would have been nice to have something better looking available.
@@daniel_f4050 J-7e has a couple of decent marketplace skins but there's unfortunately nothing for the J-8.
can you upload a video where you were playing sweden i was in your game and i was asking you if you were the real one
16:36 So pretty much Ace combat 7 multiplayer the plane?
I think I need to grind to this 🤔
It’s actually good fun!
When will you release the mirage video you said you make?
In 2 days time. It’s already done and ready to go
i hope they gona add the PL8 to id at some time how it was on dev server
I actually think the PL-8 is too much RN. Maybe when the 9M and R-73 are in the game it could be ok
@@Spitflyer yea but it would be fun that 40g of owerload
you're like the British DEFYN lol
YOOOOOOOOO wassssupp!
Cool but I still prefer J-7E over J-8B at the same BR.
Wait the radar isn't PD in game? Wasn't the whole point of the J-8B irl to include the PD Radar, apart from the aerodynamic changes?
Not really... J-8B never received PD as spitflyer specified in the video but it was also a huge redesign from earlier versions of J-8, which had a nose air intake. Even without the radar it was pretty much an entirely different plane to operate. For the PD, originally there was a team (institue 607) assigned to build one since 1970s, but was cancelled in 1985 due to the US agreement. Their work restarted in 1990 and finally built and matured a working type in 1999 compatible with Aspide (they call it the "a missile" since the name is too long). So basically only the first batch of J10s and some old J8Bs in the early 2000s were the first fighters to be fitted with PD radar in China.
J8 doesnt have anything to do with the su 15.
Convergent evolution.
That’s what they want you to think :p
That intro was💀
Is this title a Mulan pun?
Why is he playing ace combat in the beginning
Ah yes, this junk that i can never figure out!
And guess what the war thunder community leaked the classified documents about this aircraft on the War thunder forums
Wait is this a new thing????
Totally clueless
@@Spitflyer yes 100%
@@Spitflyer yep just happened a day or two ago; just got leaked on the war thunder forums classified documents about the radar and missiles it's equipped with in real life because someone was butthurt that it didn't function exactly how it was supposed to in real life and thought Gijian would change it because they have them the classified documents.
4:10 wtf, fox 3 aspide,was locked to chaff but still hit
Inertial guidance goes brrr
semi-active missile, boy.
The seeker on the aspide is supposed to be ECM resistant like the aim-7m is irl. Spit's radar was still emitting enough even though locked on chaff to illuminate the jet for the aspide's seeker which is extremely good. It won't always work but you can do similar things like this with the non pd f-4e radar with dogfights. It especially seems to help if you try to unlock and relock as the person is chaffing to update the inertial guidance.
@@Revelationsvidya never knew, never used planes without pd, does this work with MTI radar
@@gaijinbroken6571 You can sometimes get the super 530f's to reacquire people on the mirage f1c. It just depends heavily on alot of luck and certain missiles/radars are better at negating chaff.
So would you play the J8b over the J7e?
Lmao no
I prefer the J-8B on the grounds that it has better climb rate and a radar but the J-7E is still excellent
Bit late but for air to air role the j7e is a better dogfighter, j8b I guess decent but I'd personally use it for ground until I get the f5e
"Lousy top speed" *is going Mach 1.26* okay...
Lol I’m talking sea level. 1300km/h is lousy compared to the MiG-29
Hello
J-7E definitely better imo
Emperor Mao?
The Mao Dynasty
Where prop gameplay
It’s coming!
J-8A better
To bad it is not in the game. :(
@@pax1fox yeah better at 9.3-9.7…that thing is a F104 with 29B’s
-1000 social credit
But its such an ugly frankenstein monster of a plane. It's a Phantom, a Mig-21, and a Mig-19 all wrapped into the same platform. Gross.
fkin love the J-8B. Crazy engine power that rivals the F-16s, can pull 13g's, really good missiles. PL-5B's are slept on.. only thing is the radar kinda sucks. But being in BR11 makes up for it imo
It looks exactly like an su-15. Here's my proof: cdn.globalaircraft.org/media/img/planes/lowres/su-15_4.jpg. You cant tell me that it looks any different