A Plane So Bad It's Addictive: Tornado F.3 (War Thunder)
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Ah yes the dopamine rush that you get from doing good on a bad plane
I love for it
Literaly half the reason i got the A-7K
Lol i do this in every game besides war thunder, i chose the worst thing u can play, then get really good at using it.
Think this explains why I enjoy the amx 30b2
There is one thing I like about this plane, how awesome it looks with the wings fully swept along with the fuel tanks and 9ls/7temps
Part of what i like about the tornado is that it actually feels like a real plane and not some magical 14g pulling spaceship like a lot of top tier aircraft
Same thing i said, the only thing its missing is its instant turn, the rest is basically spot on
@Firestarter OnUA-cam that's the way it goes with British planes in war thunder. The Lightning suffered with the same release timing, probably to make up for the fact the harrier gr1 was put at br 9.3 on release... That was a fun few weeks😂
somehow i once pulled 24-25 g's in the mig23ML
@@tf2rocksbest how was your pilot still alive? lol
Man I don't know
The Tornado really represents me besides the British part, fat, slow, and if I go too fast I tumble over (wing tear). I am also super anti-social so if someone gets too close I slow down due to social anxiety (compression). I’m also outdone by literally everyone else.
Gym is your best friend. You may not get more self-esteem but at least you'll be fit (can confirm from experience)
@@Spitflyer lets hope he takes this to heart
Well this was a joke but glad to see that Spit is a real one, im being shipped to basic in 2 months to join the US Airforce.
@@AWACSR3DGoodluck out there
@@AWACSR3D Goodluck brother
I love how this plane is only .3 higher BR than the IDS now. It has like 4x the countermeasures, 2x the 9L's and pretty good radar missiles... there seems to be little to no rhyme or reason behind a lot of BR's.
The IDS has no business being 10.7 like it was, game just needs even more decompression and to fix the FMs of the Tornadoes. Rather the tornado be shit than stomping in downtiers often.
People complaining about the IDS while being the lowest(and tbe fastest)tornado out of all of them🤓
Because the IDS seal clubbed level 10 premium players, source, I seal clubbed level 10 premium players
@@ev17dan source agreed to,since i did it too and it was fun AF against the lvl20 f5 a10 and various premium shoppers🤣
And now it’s the exact same br as gr1, absolute nonsense. F3 should go down to 11.0 and gr1/ids would be fine at 10.7.
Love how he’s talking about dogfighting with a bomber/interceptor XD
For me the biggest weakness of the F.3 is the radar, it really struggles to lock simple targets even in the most opportune conditions and I've even had it be defeated by flares before. Whilst the Tornado is an absolute bus, they've also kinda messed up the lift characteristics of the plane as it does have a lot of fuselage lift which Gaijin has completely ignored, making it even more wallowy and slow than it should be.
Get ready for Stage 2G radar SoonTM
The communities reaction to the tornado is really funny but confusing to me. I was and remain a big fan of the tornado in game, mostly because I like the top tier bomber play style and because the thing is just so fucking cool and also pretty successful in real life. However with other people it seems funny to me. People used to talk about it a lot, always asking when the Tornado would come, 4th gen swing wings when? etc… but like, it was always a bomber/interceptor and was never really likely to be super successful in war thunders current meta, except in a fast jet bomber/throw missiles at long range support fighter. Yet people seemed shocked when this was the case, but I feel like this should’ve been obvious from the start, if you knew anything about the plane. That’s not to say it’s not Gajins fault, they deliberately nerfed the plane, especially the British ones for some reason, and it would really excel in an Enduring confrontation only air RB game mode which of course doesn’t exist. So a lot of the reasons it doesn’t do so well are due to the game, but knowing about what the plane was good at irl should’ve prepared people for what the plane would be like in War thunders meta. So it’s funny to me that people were talking about it and excited , but then just uninterested when the obvious factors came into play.
yesn't. people could kinda expect that with the GR.1, after all that things a bomb sled. but the F.3 with the massive f**k off radar that gigawatts anyone short of F-14s with microwaves provided it actually works really should've been better. that said i'm blaming it being "bad" on release timing. a couple of months earlier and it would've been very competitive.
Spit, I've never been able to put my finger on what gives me this feeling until now. Thank you. The feeling when flying a plane that no where meets the meta yet still finishing amongst the meta vehicles at your BR is quite the dopamine rush.
Apparently it's underperforming, shouldn't be a great dogfighter but I heard it was able to keep up with a tomcat in a dogfight until it eventually ran out of energy. Wouldn't be surprised if it was gimped because it does feel a bit too exaggerated in all the wrong ways.
I’ve heard things about FBW hampering it in wt
Tornado F.3: 8 AAM, influding 4 radar-11.3
Tornado IDS: 2 AIM-9L-11.00
Both 100% at 12.00
Perfectly ballanced
Shhh..let me enjoy f3 for a moment.
one is for CAS the other is for air to air combat, go figure
i love the F3 in sim battles as im able to make full use of the radar, people cant hide from me. and ive been able to win many dogfights in it
It is the same feeling I got from spading every single french ww2 prop. There's just a certain charm of flying a cr.714 or an ms.410. And getting kills with those is the best feeling ever
On the Pyrnesse game, however you spell that map, you played the tornado how they would fly irl. U, the tornado have the radar and radar missiles and have a manoeuvrable team mate beside you. Britain would use Tornado, Hawk combos at Red Flag which made them absolutely dominate.
Just have to wait for the Hawk to be added, or at least the Gnat that can perform a similar role
I love the F3, such a good looking aircraft. The recent buffs are a welcome addition. The only thing I don't like is your AIM9s fire off both left wing first, so when you're left with only 2 missiles (such as 13:25), if creates a real unbalance in the wings due to the right wing having the weight/drag of 2 missiles, with nothing on the left. It should fire off alternating wings.
This is literally my thinking with the Tornado IDS. It got moved up and it's atrocious how 50/50 playing it is. You're either going to do poorly, or you're going to bite and scratch to even get one or two kills. And I love it, it gives me a run for my money. The tornado is so beautiful in looks and I'll always come back to it.
Damn, almost like IDS is a strike jet and it shouldnt be used against planes
*Gaijin NEEDS to fix the Tornado F.3.*
Warning: Rant incoming.
Currently, the F.3 is unplayable. At 11.3, it sees everything at top tier almost every single game and it simply cannot even begin to compete in its current state.
The F.3 still has severe bugs that hinder the already hindered performance of this supposedly top tier aircraft.
As of writing this comment, the devs are yet to implement the Tornado F.3's proper radar variant. What we have in WT currently is a dumbed down subvariant of the early Foxhunter radar, when we should have the much newer, much more capable Foxhunter radar that would actually make it one of the absolute best in the game currently.
But even with the current radar, it's performance is hindered by ridiculously stupid bugs.
Bugs I have noticed as of writing:
1) When locking a target from TWS into an STT (to fire a Fox 1) the game will tell you, when you try to fire a Skyflash (DF or sT) that *you need a radar lock*, despite the fact that you definetly already have a single target track lock.
This makes it impossible to fire your skyflashes, because the game simply thinks you don't have a radar lock, when you definetly do.
2) The ACM mode of the F.3 only goes out to 9km, which is pathetic in itself (the Phantoms go to 19km making individual target locking much easier) but the issue mainly lies when trying to lock a target with the radar, and missing.
Sometimes when trying to lock a target, the radar tries to find it in a specific area. And if the target is not in that specific area, the radar (instead of turning back to scan) continues to try and lock something in that general direction. The issue is that you cannot cancel this action. The radar for some reason will continue to try and lock something that isn't there, and you cannot switch back to a wide search mode, and cannot change into TWS or PD/SRC.
There are still MORE radar bugs that prevent a player from firing missiles, but they come and go as Gaijin pleases.
As for the wings, I think that yes, the Tornado had brittle wings, but for the sake of the game, the unpredictable wing ripping at an unspecified and varying G level is utterly ridiculous, and puts top tier British players at a significant disadvantage.
And this all would have been a bit more excusable if Britain were to get an actual 4th gen aircraft below it. The problem is, THIS IS ALL BRITAIN WILL GET UNTIL THE EUROFIGHTER.
Top tier Britain will be utterly crippled until Gaijin gets its head out of its ass, and implements fixes to the Tornado F.3 that actually make it at least somewhat competitive against top tier planes like the F-16, F-15, F-14, MiG-29, Su-27 and whatever other planes Gaijin will add in the following years.
Rant over.
Love the Tornado as an aircraft - Great video on how to make the most of it in the game!
Tornado f3 is my favourite plane. AB Approach from side start with the super temps pick off oncomers from 10k or attack key targets such as 12.0 planes then when closer use the 9Ls. Then it’s literally duck and run, everything all while deploying 1.0s flares. I’d I get past the initial top tiers it is a killer but one thing you never dog fight you tun turn and kick ass
That's what happens when you turn a bomber into a fighter.
I got a gun kill after a pretty drawn out dogfight against one of these in the German F-104G. I’d feel confident dogfighting it in an early phantom too. That’s how poorly this thing turns. It makes up for it with the good avionics and missiles. Coming from the FGR.2 I can use the Tornado F3 fairly effectively… but fuck I agree. It’s a brick with wings. You’ve really got to know how to position well and do your best to keep your 6 clear.
9:19 yeah, the plane was designed over the IDS, whose role was that of “fly extremely low at Mach .9 on autopilot, release bombs, go back home”. So, it wasn’t meant to have good high alt performance
I still really want the tornadoes to get their respective cluster munition like the JP233 for the GR1 and mw1 for the german IDS
since the new economy things with compensation ive finally been able to enjoy this plane without having to worry too much about losing sl. always wanted to fly this plane in war thunder so now that i can do it without a huge threat to my sl balance is godly
This resonates with me, I have the premium Phantom but prefer the Tornado because of the sheer amount of flares and it's interceptor capability, the small city map is my favorite, flying low on the city street before turning on the tails of the strike aircraft too focussed on base bombing. Definitely not a turn fighter!
Yep, it's addictive...I left. F5-C and F4-S from USA tech tree, to play Tornado IDS on German Luftwaffe Tech tree...dammit. sometimes I successful on base bombardment and get some kill, sometimes I die to F14s and Migs with their R27er
When people complain the mig-25 doesnt have a place in war thunder, i just ppint them to this plane, the tornado f.3 is a foxbat with swing wings and wow look, its in the game and If the foxbat ever drops in game, it will play the same way as the f.3
I spaded the event tornado in air rb and used to have a good time running to bases getting two of them destroyed and pulling off behind the enemies lines and onto their sixes firing off my aim9Ls off the rails and getting two easy kills as I’m headed back to base lol
First of all, a reminder that this is the same BR as the Tornado IDS, a plane with no radar, no radar missiles, half the IR missiles, and far fewer countermeasures.
All because the IDS has GBUs... for Ground RB... which you have to grind for... in Air RB...
That said, I hope Italy gets the leased Tornado F.3 in the tech tree as well. I know they leased some Skyflash missiles as well, but I don't know if they were the SuperTEMPs that the British one uses. I also know that Italy unfortunately didn't care much for the plane in general (which led to the acquisition of the F-16A), but it would be nice to have the ADV as a fighter alternative.
Underdog effect? Obese? Turd but enjoyable?
Reminds me of our beloved danger dorito...which also happens to be bri'ish
Currently spading the ASTA. Its limited AF. Lots of fun when you get a kill on a F16 or MiG.
So bad its good.
So ugly its beautiful.
Might try for F3 after.
You should try the Su-22M3 it can face F-16,F-14,MiG-29,etc.., could barely reach mach speed, cary only R-60 and only 12 countermessure
Well the tornado is meant to be a fast strike fighters not meant to dogfight so call me at bed as a dog fighter is actually accurate
The one thing that would make this jet competitive would probably be the Aim-120A.
They need to fix the flight model the panavia tornado is pretty maneuverable in real life
She is definitely a zoom and booom jet
tries to dogfight in a stikefighter.
fails
blames the plane.
Spit why do you use C-Scope radar instead of D-scope radar? I find D-scope is much better for BVR since it allows you to crank much more efficiently
Players with lesser knowledge of radar missiles i think
You're 100% right !
C scope is easier to read plus more accurate on which direction the enemy actually is
@Unlimited Timez no it's not, the square gives a more accurate x and y Coordinate as to where the enemy is, you're not having to figure out your radar limits with the triangle, D-Scope is much bigger and easier to read
@@juioploski4063 D scope is just the C scope streched out, so the positions are warped and are kinda inaccurate when looking at anyone not directly infront
I just find it more intuitive
if you have the wings fully extended and full landing flaps with after burner, then the tornado will turn like a champ at around 700-900kmph, trust me
Full flaps ať 700+? Good luck with that IRL. If doing that doesn't Down you immediately,IT means thé model Is atrociously terrible compared even to 1991 MSDOS Tornado sim by Digital Integration.
“A cigarette, an item so bad it’s addictive”
Shhh, it's "so bad" that it has one of the highest K/D ratio's for it's BR.
Tornado = Play the plane like you should play a real modern jet... If you are dogfighting... you are dead. If the A2A does not get you... the G2A will.
10:29 I genuinely don't understand how you managed to hit mig29 there, in my experience they can 9 times out of 10 lolpull out of skyflash's way
probably launching too close
Same here, it just feels like when I watch people play this plane they just seem to get the perfect conditions for the plane to do well, for me it doesn't matter if I fly low or whatever, I just get slapped out of the air by an F-16 or MiG-29 before I even have a chance to engage anybody.
@@unlimitedtimez341 I wish it was that simple, but Gen4 are just built differently. I tried launching from pretty much every distance in 2-12km range, it doesn't change much. And to be hit with a still boosting missile, this specimen on the video must've had a terminal case of skill issue.
I wonder how they’ll pull now since skyflashes are just buffed hours ago with 44deg/s track rate.
@@Zosterias does an increase in track rate improve their chaff resistance?
I can never get them skyflash missiles to stay locked on. any tips?
tornado is a pain to play but now and again you get 8 or so kill games yes i have that yes its recorded
It’s a variable wing sweep plane, if you had to dog fight at lower speeds shouldn’t you have the wings out and maybe even flaps if you have to go real slow?
If people can dogfight with an F14 surely this could do ok I would think.
I would say the plane is average, I do pretty well in it with a KD of around 3.5, you just have to play as a support plane and it works well for that
I also think the plane looks amazing so i'll forgive some of its bad aspects
yo spit, what post FX do you use?
MiG-29 has no fly-by-wire system.
Mr spit is bacc
I hate facing this thing.
For one it's got two aim9Ls that aren't much of a problem when you are going head on if you use your own missiles, and for twoth, it crashes the moment it turns, not letting you even kill it.
it has 4 aim 9 Ls
@@unlimitedtimez341 do some of the hard points share aim9 with bomb rod?
@@kingghidorah8106 the gr3 does not have bombs
Well the tornado is a fast attack strike aircraft, I don't think it was designed with much air to air combat in mind
In the words of a random wt chat person: Oh look a free kil- I mean tornado!
Most people just assumed “swing wing” and expected it to have a bullshit f14 and mig 23 flight model, where you can throw the wings out at Mach 1 pulling absurd amounts of Gs. Use manual wing sweep with this but don’t just throw the wings forward when you need to turn, it’s most agile at 70-50 % sweep at mach 0.9 and 85% above mach 1 easily pulling 9-10gs just be careful not to rip above 10gs. The wings will break around 0.84 fully forward, but at 0.8 with the combat flaps down it’s definitely not bad.
At 67° sweep And full AB that's really surprising thé F.3 doesn't maneuver like a cart 🤦
Tornadoes always make me stress: Is it a clueless twit offering RP and SL for free, or is it a good player about to drop out of nowhere and cram a missile up my arse? Playercard usually tells the story, but you don't always get the chance.
comes the german Tornado at same br with only 2 Ls, but we dont talk about that its german.
Pretty sure the GR.1 and the Italian IDS is also in that boat and I didn’t mention either of them, mostly because they’re not the F.3
@@Spitflyer yeah thats correct, still a shame tho. Theyre missing pretty much everything that makes them special irl (loadout) and dont really have a function in game besides bombing bases, and id say only the german ids is good for that since its at 10.7 and faces mostly downtiers which allows it to actually perform well
As a Britain main, I just wish this thing couldn't face the F-16 or the MiG-29. There's nothing it can really do against them. What advice do you have to even do okay with it?
I need the g suit and then I can get the skyflash, I am suffering
hate gaijin because they make the tornado bad so then everybody who doesnt know much about the plane immediately assume its bad irl
11:21 what happened ??? The radar lost track (went to the chaff) but the missile still hit ?
Why doesn’t this happen to my aim-7N ?
My understanding is that the AIM-7s have some rudimentary form of self-illumination or can use the radar waves emitted by the enemy’s radar or RWR to self-guide for the final few seconds of flight
Just a fancy f104
except the 104 is a fighter regularly pushed into the bomber role, while the tornado is a bomber pushed into the fighter role ^^
b29 vs tornado when
Only fair matchup tbh
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They really fucked up the fox Hunter radar, and they shoulda given it its AMRAAMs or atleast aim7ms or something with actual BVR capabilities
In reality, the Tornado is a low flight bomber plane, made for flight under the radar and has the ability to hold and use nuclear weapons, and thats the reason why its not good in dogfights, it is not a fighter !
Im glad u back💓💓 mid tier props next time pls🥺😭🖤
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Why are the tornados so bad in war thunder? Surely they dont turn this badly irl. I've seen them plenty at airshows etc and they seem pretty agile from what I've personally seen.
Gaijin forgot to model the lift the plane gets from the fuselage, possibly for balance cause I know a properly implemented Tornado F.3 would immediately ground everyone in air RB
I just really dont get the people saying the plane's garbage. You have poor handling yes, takes a minute to do a vertical at medium altitude, but if you find yourself in a dogfight at toptier you've already made several mistakes. Went into it expecting an equally miserable experience to the Tornado GR1, but when you get past the stock grind it's super good. If you do it right each superTEMP's more or less a guaranteed kill, only sad part is the 9L's have been nerfed to ge ground and even with radar slaving they get insta flared, go after some random missile or decide to suddenly pull 90* to demolish my teammate flying 3km away. F3 almost feels as good as the FGR2 did back in the day.
OK now I'm convinced that you're a masochist.
Skeepan!
It’s a cool looking turd
another word for bad is "mediocre". The F3 was kind of a crutch because Britain could not build something as powerful as the F-15C Eagle nor could the RAF afford them after the economic downturn in the 1970s. Which is a pity, during WW2 Britain could build world-class fighters like the Spitfire, Mosquito and the Hawker Tempest.
England's economy has been ass since the 1940s and hasn't bounced back at all. Never enough money, stupid decision after stupid decision.
It’s makes no sense, the f3 should be able to easily outcompete the f14 in bvr but in game it can’t
its really unfair the tornado marineflieger is at 11.0 having half the aim9Ls and no radar missiles
I don’t think it ever carried them. The GR.1 is in the same boat
@@Spitflyer well I would very much prefer it at 10.7 even if it means it gets fricking aim9b s
no bro the f3 is really good
Anything the tornado can do other planes can do better
@Spitflyer not really see you have an amazing radar wich not all planes do and also you have 8 misses not all have that and you have a massive amount of fuel also a lot if flairs and chaff that not all planes have.
I think people just sad about the fact that 11.3 can't brainlessly slap everything around like 12.0s do.
It has it's strong and weak sides, but people always want "the best one".
cocaine is also adictiva and bad
Play it like a F104 with wonderful radar and Fox1 and you'll be fine !
My WR in the F.3 is surprisingly high as well as my KD !
Spit brings too much fuel and doesnt use enough of 1st stage burner which gaves you more than enough for fights in any RB games in WT..
F.3 really starts to be nimble below the 10min fuel mark
F.3 also get very surprising when you massively drop your airspeed with reverse and airbrakes ! (for shakenbake shenanigans)
Full flaps control is also MANDATORY to fully extract all the potential of the F.3 at extreme slow speeds
And yes, i beat some F-4, 23 and even some J-7D and E in this !
I really like this thing for similar reasons as you do, but man, going up against Mig29s hast to be one of the worst experiences WarThunder has to offer. If one of those things wants you dead you WILL die, they just outclass you in every relevant metric
Pretty much! That’s why it’s not a good plane; it can’t compete with F-16s, MiG-29s and even the viggens
Wor Thunda
this jet just isnt made for wt
Hello fellow 250 ping person
Just like the S199 it’s sucks ass but I love it
I’ll give you a cookie if you send me that plane ✈️
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What are you talking about mate? First 5 minutes of this video is filled with nonsence and straight up wrong info.
For example the Mig-29 can go 1565kmh, not capped at 1360.
Wrong about FBW. etc etc
Rather not talk at all, than talk nonsence.
Thanks
hahahah
i dont like this comenting
Well thats the first ingame footage ive seen of WarThunder and it confirms that its crap and I wont go near it.