The Best Dogfighter In War Thunder: J21A-2
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- Опубліковано 20 вер 2024
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Someone get gordon ramsay in here to make him stop cooking
Lmao😂, also did glitch said how much the french yak3 costs?
You cannot stop me
@@Spitflyer It's raw. IT'S FKIN RAW !
@@MUTANG_Official new video coming " I'm sick of content creators talking out their ahh" part dos. This is Napalm ratte situation but inverted. Take a dogshit plane and shill it as great.
@@Spitflyer ua-cam.com/video/B4ZJA1i9xpM/v-deo.html
The machine guns are actually not .50 cals, they are Swedish 13.2mm guns, the later jet variants of the J21 however changed to .50 cals for standardization.
they are FN Browning 13.2mm, *based* on the Browning .50. That extra 0.5mm let them use explosive rounds and not neglect the awesome performances of the Ma Deuce.
I heard somewhere that they’re called .51cals? Anything between 12mm and 14mm I’ll consider a .50 as far as WT goes
@@Spitflyer .52 inch.
The 13.2mm guns are insane compared to the 50 cals
@@exivu2618 yeah it hits like a 20mil and it has 1350 ammo this thing might have best guns at 4.3
Only the F7F could stop the J21 (it can even eat jets for breakfast)
this thing actually stops the f7f, i've seen people killing mig17s with this (the guns make this a super prop)
@@kingghidorah8106 So true! J21 could easily be a 6.3 and stomp 💪
Me: Why can't I get any sort of result in this thing?
Spit: "... by playing patiently ..."
Me: I guess it'll always be one of the game's unsolved mysteries.
The issue with this plane is that anyone in something that turns better than a FW-190 can beat you, providing they can escape your guns in first turn or two, depending on speed of merge.
The speed bleed is nice for reversals or the legendary "oNe CiRcLe", but with poor climb, energy retention, overheating engine and average speed i really do not have many good things to say about it.
It pulls well (for 2 turns) and has guns. That's it.
To 4.7 it goes
The irony is that with the right maneuvers, the 190 can easily beat the J/A-21s by forcing them to bleed too much in an energy fight or forcing them to higher speeds and doing its own reversal.
@@kommandantkillcode j21a-1 is too op
@@seaoreo2901 The J-21A-1 is 4.0, and not OP at all. Just takes learning how to exploit its weaknesses.
@@kommandantkillcode "by forcing him to higher speeds" I was talking about dogfighting, and no, if you are in a dogfight you are not pulling away from the 400 round insta kill 13.2mm spray.
let him cook (please turn the stove off please i am begging you)
Nah bro we need more shit like this
Left my stove on yesterday 💀
I will continue to cook and you cannot stop me
@Spit_flyer bros gonna burn down his kitchen and then the rest of the apartment burns down too along with the families living in them.
Disconnect the gas line
blud is not cooking , one upped the F7F take
The J21A-1/-2 are probably my favourite aircraft in the game. I just love jumping into the middle of a furball and exiting with 2-3 kills. And the amount of bombers ive killed with these guns, just pitching up and scoring kills while still a kilometer below them makes me smile.
How about the A-3
dont let defyn see this vid
defyn is going to anally rape him as he would say
“Let him cook” nah bro this is a grease fire
Bro's frying ice cubes 🔥🔥🔥🔥
middle aged australian man is consistently wrong for 23 minutes and 33 seconds
Mmmm nah stats don't lie man...
@@Spitflyer bruh
@@Spitflyer stats just tell nothing. I have 3kd and 3.5kd on the sea fury and j5n1 by doing 1v1 energy fighting (no kill stealing, no rat thirdparty gaming) and I don't remember well I believe i'm 39 to 7 on the j21? I don't remember besides i uninstalled game to free space for cached simulations) and even yet I didn't like it when it was 3.3, worse even at 4.3.
@@kingghidorah8106im late (spitflyer is very gud
@@toastyboi1627 he's overweight and balding because he keeps playing for entire days til he can get a couple of high kill games to post on UA-cam and say imagine "this thing is busted" and shows a video of the ki87 which is all in all a whole heap of garbage because it's slower than a zero, turns worse than a ta152 c3 and has no energy retention or climb rate whatsoever and the Japanese 30mm Ho-155s are without a doubt the worst cannons in the game currently
Tier for tier? Ain't no way
Oof, this is gonna be the new prop that eats jets for breakfast
His cook is 99.1 percent pure
I have to strongly disagree with spit here, while i do like to take it out sometimes. It has awful climb, the engine is an absolute oven, it doesnt produce much energy and its retention is some of the worst at its br, its turn rate is usable, and has top speed simmilar to a zero. The guns are amazing tho. its overall performance is similar to 3.0 aircraft. It has troubles out speeding zero's and cant compete in sustained fights against 109 G2, god bless your soul you dont run into a j2m2 who has some competance. Just fly the j22, j26, bf109 g2 instead.
(also spit is gonna take a lot of flak for posting this video because this is a controversial plane for some reason)
I do state in the beginning of the video that side climbing is a must in this thing. You HAVE to start on the front foot
@@Spitflyer its lack of energy generation and retention makes it very difficult to dodge multiple times because it needs quite a bit of speed to do it because it bleeds so much of it. Side climbing can fix the altitude problem but it'll take you more time to get to the battle field which will put your team at a number disadvantage. Its lack of energy generation can make it very difficult to regain position after a fight ex. you get into a fight. you loose 500m and there is an enemy above. in that situation you'll have a very difficult time regaining position because of the lacking energy generation.
@@Spitflyer the thing is you're constantly contradicting. You're saying you can energy fight and drain enemies but you also don't have enough energy retention nor are good at accelerating. This is ridiculous, I couldn't keep watching past the first five minutes of the video. Stop doing this, stop shilling bad planes as good.
@@kingghidorah8106 You say he's constantly contradicting only because it seems that is what you want to believe. I've seen no indication he was contradicting. You can take a plane with shitty energy retention and use it to energy fight and drain enemies, yeah. If the opposing pilot is doing a shitty job at maintaining his plane's energy state, that's easily doable. Spitflyer said that in the video. I fly the J21s similar to how Spitflyer does. I've never had an issue using the plane. If you know what not to do with the J21 and 75% of the enemy pilots are flying like shit, you can certainly get some kills in this plane.
Most folks that don't like a particular content creator don't haunt the comments section of those content creators. You keep saying "shill this" or "shill that" like it's supposed to mean something. Maybe make your own content if you don't like what you're seeing and think you can do better. If you do, let us see your content, please, so I can be just as insulting if I disagree with your narrative. :)
@@unixfool my brother in Christ, a zero is faster and climbs better than the J21A. What he was doing was not energy fighting, but rather wait for people to tail sit him so that he could one circle them. That is NOT energy fighting, you energy fight when you try to keep an energy advantage over your adversary while forcing it to run out of their energy, by either keeping your altitude, or speed, or trading speed for altitude or altitude for speed. All the J21 can do is one turn and head on.
it always seemed extremely heavy and with lackluster climb rate for me
Thats because it is. Usual case of spitflyer having zero clue what he is talking about.
@@100hobbes yeah it's definitely closer to the bottom for me, and absolutely not nearly the "best dogfighter in WT"
take the extra time to climb off to the side
@@Spitflyer "Just side climb"
@@Spitflyer you come back, your whole team is dead. You get 4 kills on head ons vs dummies, the clever guy on the shitty french plane kills you, you start playing the aforementioned shitty plane til you get a couple of ace games to upload to YT even if you had to take 300 battles, title "FRENCH HIDDEN GEM".
Im sorry but the B3C is just the better dogfighter for swedish props. You throw that baby into afterburner and she just absolutely turns circles around b29s.
tankmun!
Don't worry guys, it's surely a late April Fools video
you could call this a dogfighter if you ignore the fact that it doesnt turn well and is terrible in the vertical.
"jack of all trade" just good on the gun nothing else
The J21 did not originally have .50 (12,7 mm) cal machine guns. It had 13,2 mm auto cannons, with 70% greater impact energy than the .50 and the same projectile velocity at 1500 m (4500 ft) as the .50 had at the muzzle. It also had twice the firing rate of the Browning .50. It was a Belgian vastly improved FN design based the Browning .50. The drawings and production tooling was rushed to Sweden when Germany invaded Belgium. It used armour pearcing, explosive, incendary, tracer and standard projectiles. Post war, some 13,2 autocannons were replaced with surplus Browning .50s, which were cheap and plentiful with cheap ammo and half the firing rate. The Browning .50 machine guns did fit in the FN 13,2 auto cannon mounts.
It also had a couple of 20 mm autocannons.
Honestly, the Swedish 20mm/13mm cannons feel insanely powerful, it rarely takes me more than 1 short burst to essplode anything smaller than a Bomber. They feel even stronger than those german MinengeshoB 20mils tbh.
The Goat, Mr.spit do a vid s199 cuz i heard it is a good dogfighter too so itll be similar to the j21a-1, at 3.3 its an amazing plane.
Remember, its the pilot not the plane.
It is most definitely not a good dogfighter. The airframe is OK, but the engine is ridiculously underpowered and its energy retention is some of the worst in the BR. Having flown and spaded it- and I would say I'm a capable pilot- it has nothing exceptional about it.
@ArctosAlpha it's the pilot not the plane....
@@seaoreo2901 no sometimes the plane is just objectively bad 😂
Just going to share my thoughts.
I think the J-21 is mid. The only reason people think it's excellent or OP is because of the guns; admittedly, the guns are excellent, but the engine performance and airframe are absolutely not good enough against the competition.
Typhoon Mk1b/L? Smashes this thing in the dogfight. J2M2? Same thing but more severe. Ki-61? Even worse. Bf 109 G-2? Probably needs the altitude advantage, but gets it easily. P-51D-5? Similar deal but the climbrate is a bit worse (still better than the J-21). Yak-3? Take it into the verticle, control your throttle and the J-21 dies. Spitfire F Mk IX? Best you can do is stick the headon or start off with an altitude advantage (which won't last long, especially given the Spit's climbrate). A6M Zero? Same thing but more annoying for the J-21. Hell, even the F6F-5N gives this thing a run for its money. And this is JUST at 4.3.
By comparison, there are FAR less vehicles that the J-21 outmatches in a dogfight, made less impressive by the fact that basically all the above can do the same but better. Things like the Firebrand and the S-199 are good examples, because the J-21 will only beat these vehicles not because it is good, but because these two planes are just bad.
Now, in practice, the J-21 doesn't perform as bad as in theory. Why? Because people are dumb enough to take the headons, greedy enough to make horrendous mistakes, and generally not knowledgeable enough to fully realise their strengths and/or the J-21's flaws. In an environment where people incorrectly rely on gun performance rather than plane performance, of course people are going to think that this thing is OP. All you have to do is play to YOUR strengths, not take unnecessary risks, and suddenly the J-21 is exposed to be what it is. A plane that relies solely on its fantastic guns to compensate for its inadequate plane performance.
This has made me regain love for this aircraft, it really has
This is one of the few aircraft I managed to get an absurd k/d in before air RB matches were lowered from an hour to 25 minutes of gameplay.
That P-51D-5 in the beginning did literally everything wrong all the way to the end. He should know he can just outrun and outclimb this thing. You can easily just boom and zoom a J21 into submission if you start higher. Even when he knew he was fucked he didn't even try to extend on the deck, he just turned back around like a moron.
I've been fighting them left and right and it's genuinely insane. They're rather good
I don’t know about dog fighting, but that is by far the most difficult plane to deal with in a SPAA.
The Ki 27 otsu is best vehicle for its BR in WT
This thing kills in a headon as well, with the armoured cockpit (including bulletproof glass), and with the engine in the back, you can tank many frontal hits and just shrug them off.
I find that the A21-3 doesn't over heat as much but when you use MEC it's dam fun this Bird is one of my highest kills game with 9 kills I have the most ace games in this the other is the franch sb2c helldiver the wolf in sheep's clothing it's so much fun..
Wow the -2 seems so much better than the -1. I usually play the a21-3 because that performs better than the j21-1 but I might buy this as well to see if its better than both that I have been using
Can you not
Congratulations, Spitflyer, you've done the impossible. You've single-handedly gotten the War Thunder community to agree on one point without a war in the comments. That the J-21 is a dumbster fire.
If you are down, I'm more then willing to challange your view over this and duel you in some commonly agreed strong 4.3 planes, and to even further drive a point, I'll play them stock. My IGN is spray9. I am a rather shitty duelist and im still confident I can beat a J-21.
I feel like when I was in props I would always be killed by a j21
Best dogfighter - chaika
I personally found this thing to be a very hot brick, within one turn I'd have stalled out and blacked my engine from heat
MEC lessens (by a large amount) the overheat issue.
Wow, guns that work. A bit of a rarity lately.
this plane eats super props for breakfast
I wouldn't say it is the best dogfighter, but it is way better than the jet version imo
Please start playing tanks, there’s surely less things you can be wrong about there
"the BT-5 is the best reserve" (bounces ten shells on the side of a StuG3 and gets One hit killed by a 7.7 machine gun from someone 100m away)
It sucks how much the 21s and 22s have been nerfed and overtiered since Northern Wind
The few times i used this for air superiority in ground rb i absolutely murdered everyone with it, i even killed a few jets and other props around 5.0 to 6.0 with it
Ground RB pilots are garbage 💀
Someone get this man a diamond play button
Also I’d like to request the Italian bf-109 F from the battle pass (or the regular German one) as I have no idea how to win fights reliably in it
😭😭😭😭😭💘💘💘💘💘💘finally u back with this great video it was pleasureee💘💘💘💘hope next prop video will come out soon💘💘💘
I just had an 8 kill 1 assist game in my f14 with 5 gun kills if you want to review it be pretty cool thing to go over
N3GEL represent proudly
The J21's are a great all rounders, they're not that great at turning and not the best in boom and zoom (Rip Speed is just depressing :< ). But from my experience theyre great as a support plane, trying to help teammate's in need with the occasional 1v1 dogfights.
So theyre good at killing afk people. Insane
"i head on retards and win, also ruin dogfights, this plane is good"/ "i keep dying to this plane so it must be op"
Just discovered your channel. Love the content!
he's a shiller. Defyn and Squishface are better.
@@kingghidorah8106 finally some squishface recognition. Im so sad he deleted his videos and isnt uploading anymore
@@Bread-zv7ky he's the sheer embodiment of "I'm useless at real life so I cope by telling random internet people to cope" but he's right in his views about war thunder.
@@kingghidorah8106 I have no idea what he does irl so I cant judge him but yeah his WT takes were spot on
The pilot is hard to snipe on this plane in a headon. The guns just soak up the damage, without them being damaged.
I personally disagree with you on best cannons by caliber, the premium ki 61-lb has 50s that only need 1 round to connect to snap wings off of anything
could you make a video on the j32b lansen?
I'm standing by my statement of this plane being one of the if not the best for dogfighting in random battles. I've played multiple variants and gotten hundreds of kills between them and this is the only conclusion I can make.
Ofc it's worse than A and B plane at X and Y, but the "jack of all trades" mantra applies. I'm really not sure what the fuss about me being wrong about this comes from.
Just for added details, I've quite comfortably gone 4:1 across all the variants I've played of this plane which is above what I normally pull, even for this tier
>"I'm really not sure what the fuss about me being wrong about this comes from."
I can help you with that: You see, the plane is absolute shit for its br in terms of performance in every aspect of a plane.
>"I've quite comfortably gone 4:1 across all the variants"
Congrats, but you can get a 12:1 with an F-84F and even with that wont make the plane good
You're coming to the same conclusions as me when this thing was at 3.0 and I had ~500 ARB games. G-6 is at the same BR and even the same tech tree and will run circles around the J21, you can even take gunpods to match the firepower.
@@Disliker16 Idk what else to say. I've played the plane, I enjoy it, I do well in it, I find its pitfalls workable and its strengths highly beneficial and I can prove that I have played it a lot and done well. There's no doubt that you can find a plane that does X and Y better (which there are plenty) but regardless of what you play, there's always going to be a plane that climbs higher or flies faster or turns better or has better energy retention or fights better at sea level or has better guns but all I'm saying is that if you can START on an alt advantage or at least on the same level as someone then the ability of this plane to engage others makes it extremely capable and I've shown that through my experience playing the plane and the results I have achieved which are above that of normal (which is why I mentioned my KDR rather than trying to start a pissing contest).
@@Leinadmix9 you’ve missed the point of that last part. The ONLY reason why I mention stats is stating that it’s above my normal stats for that tier meaning I do better in the J21s over other planes at that tier which means the J21s overall performance is not as bad as you think if you care to minimise it’s weaknesses in-game like I have advocated for
tbh I don't know what you're on about. Factually the J21 is a very bad turner, anything that turns better than an Fw190 will outturn it. The only thing that goes for it is the armament which in fact is very good
But muh splitfire turn time
People are already getting mad at this vid lol
Why the A2? Are there differences with A1 or A3?
Haven't seen difference between A1, but the A3 is more focused on CAS Ground pounding but both variants still keep the wonderful armaments.
The 13 mm are no joke like seriously
A2 has different flaps and cooling from A1
What is the best Rank 6 Jet to grind AJ37?
I’d say so atm
@@Spitflyer I'm sorry I mean what is the best Rank 5 jet
@@aesa12030 They're all pretty shit honestly. I'd use the J29F though
@@aesa12030 for Sweden? Depends on what you like flying. Personally I’d go either vampire or J21R
J21a-1 to 4.7
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no.
this video is just wrong
just play the goddamn G.55
The guns yes
Wow that's incredible!
this plane is so bad! i cant find a single streangh i can exploid in 90 percent of fights....
but for some reason i really like flying it
This goes hard on mute 💯💯💯🔥🔥🔥
(please go back to being inactive on youtube)
>anime pfp
>throwing shade
Pick one
@@deadwing7051 >go
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@@deadwing7051 shut up man 😢
@@deadwing7051 being a degenerate doesn't exime this very statement from being sensible.
Wrong. Needs a nerf ✌️
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No, it’s absolutely trash , beside its guns, don’t head on and you win.
Mid at best
ex Astro cheating, why am I not surprised ? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
I eat these for breakfast in my F4U-4. This thing does not use speed well.