PF: WotR - PATCH 2.3.0bb+ NEWS: BIG NERFS, NEW ABILITIES & DRAGON Powers
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- Опубліковано 30 чер 2024
- Learn all about the most important changes of the new Patch, including many NERFS to the best WEAPON of the game, and even some NEW ABILITIES & DRAGON POWERS!
Timestamps down below:
Chapters
00:00 Bane of Spirit NERF
01:56 Gravesinger Axe NERF
04:32 New DRAGON FORM Buffs: Black Dragon
05:59 Blue & OP Brass Dragon
07:14 Bronze, Copper & Gold Dragons
08:36 Green, Red, Silver & White Dragons
10:34 New SHAMAN abilities: Battle & Bone Spirits
12:55 Flame, Frost, Life & Nature Spirits
13:25 Shatter Defenses NERF
15:05 Pet & Inciter Skald Hotfix
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Would love a final build for all companions
Without pets, this time
Without mods only casters will be effected, due to Titan Fighter. With the Weapon Focus + Mod all of the martials open up. That said there is only Regil for blunt damage and Earthbreakers are looking HOT right now for Titan Fighter MC.
@@zyrkugilgamesh I mean, if he's making builds for Unfair difficulty, animals companion are almost mandatory for the front lines
I get it's a bit annoying that pets are as broken as they are, but since this is a min-max builds channel, it'd be weird for him to do unoptimized builds just for fluff
@@disk3001 fair enough
@@disk3001 I hope if they do another PF game that they tone this down a bit, it's a bit lame.
Would love ultimate final videos for
- companion builds
- one for every mythic paths
- dedicated meta-video about the most effective feats and class mechanics (e.g. shatter defense, outflank crit fishing, enduring 24h spells, etc.)
- best weapons and armor for each type
- which type of bonuses stacks or not, and consequently the best magic items and spells buffs
plz make new builds
Titan fighter ❤
🙏🙏🙏
@@Elderfury What this does to Caster builds is insane. Let alone martial.
Alas titan fighter is tough to build, only way that made sense to me ( apart from a one level dip to allow casters to wield two staffs) is to focus on reach weapons, possibly down the cleave route.
Hmmm maybe as a mounted character too, you could have your polearm and a heavy shield. @@Elderfury
These guys o'rer dere at Owlcat updating two kickstarterr games at once. I cannot even express my appreciation for this studio.
Any thoughts on re-remastering your companion builds?
It would basically just be 1lvl Titan Fighter to the Casters for the extra CL. Nothing else changes much with optimization.
Are you sure? He basically went from "get shattered defence on everybody and they magical grandmother" to "probably don't worth bothering with". I would say that's alone make massive difference to almost every companion build he posted.
@@rafaszmuda669 Shatter Defenses still clobbers the Gargoyle fight/Chapel. Which is it's purpose. It's nerfed late game but that doesn't matter as much. Shatter Defenses is still insanely good for martials it's just not "must have" for Trevor/Kestoglyr.
@@pyrflie thx for the info tbh i haven't finished this game on Unfair as of yet (act3) so that's nice to know but my point was that almost every single build crpgbro published is using it so that means that all of them suddenly gonna have like 2 to 3 free slots for different feats like maybe some meta-magics... although tbh i don't even understand why the fact that "shatter defences" not working on first hit make so much of a difference when while using his builds we got 4 attacks on martials by the middle of chapter 2 (unless it needs to work on each character separately in which case that might be the problem for lower AB hitters if they need to trigger it themselves).
@@pyrflie Shatter defenses is generally a late game addition to a build. You need alot of per-requisite feats to get it so generally you only get it around level 15-17. Gargoyle/Chapel is generally level 8 you really should not have shatter defenses at that point since you lose out on so many more important feats.
Grave Singer doesn't stack anymore because technically it was not an 18-20 Crit Range Weapon. It was a 20 Crit Range Weapon with a +2 range modifier. Now it works as such so it goes from being 20+2 to 19-20+2. Which means it doesn't incorrectly double the +2 to +4 anymore but it does still get the increased Crit Range it is supposed to have over the typical weapon of it's type.
It also was applied to all weapons with similar special critical range powers
My current build is a sword saint, going in to loremaster. Im honestly surprised you can still get the trickster critical feats through the rogue talent > combat feat route.
Something I noticed, when using spell strike and casting a quickened version of a touch spell. Sometimes It does my full attack immediately while only using a swift action. Its absurd, Not sure if its a bug but I did a similar build like a year ago and it worked then lol
honestly making magus strong is some achivement dude.My Angel then legend magus sucked ass i hope you did better build
@@sametekiz3709 it's not that hard bro, magus is a gish type character, which means that they use sword and magic. Angel isn't good for magus. Azata, gold dragon or lich is better based on what they provide synergistic to what magus does.
@@sametekiz3709 Magus is one of the most broken classes in the game, what are you on about? Eldritch archer is strictly better than non magic archers. Sword Saint is one of the most broken classes. And the new Bladebound gets 8 attacks a round.
@@acrab6527 Magus is tough to build if you don't know the system. It took 3 runs for me to get how OP Regongar was in Kingmaker.
@@acrab6527 it is, but its also unintuitive tbh. You get a lot of abilities and some are broken, others are useless.
Tho Id say just go SS, stack int, use a 2h high crit range weapon, and quickened vampiric touch your way through most fights. Dimension strike for the tough guys and your good.
Or make a synopsis summary video of all build changes if possible please my favourite UA-camr!
Nothing's changed but Titan Fighter 1 for caster builds due to Staves and Daggers. Except maybe SCB Ranger instead of Beast Rider Cavalier for a melee flying mount.
You forgot to mention that the Dragonblood shifter huge dragon form's breath attack also now ignores elemental resistances and immunities.
That is a difference between the spell and the shifter form.
It's a Capstone so these changes don't really matter. You went through 20 lvls of a weak Archtype for a marginal AoE.
@@pyrflie Look, if a video is reviewing the changes made they might as well mention everything important. I'm pretty sure the side-benefits to the breath attack is comparible to the immunity/resistance bypass and would have taken like 20 seconds to mention.
Yes, the change to Dragonblood shifter is mediocre. I didn't say that it wasn't. The bypass is the only trait that is capstone worthy, and the capstone would be good if the other part of it wasn't something that casters could get at earlier levels.
@@anthonygurskas4850 Fair enough, but context is important. It's not an archetype you should run above normal unless you are looking for a serious challenge. The change makes it marginally better not good. You called out a change, I called out the context. It's why I upvoted you.
SO excited for the Mantis Zealot build. Love the channel man, you produce all the most quality and recent builds for this game that are much needed.
would love an updated build to the azata menagerie build along with all the companions
Prophet of Pestilence can finally take a second spirit! Honestly I don't think it was a bug,.I think it was to push the capstone abilities but for what little it's worth it adds a tiny bit of build variety. Wish they did similar with Living Deity Arcane Deceiver because I think there's no reason to not pick nature and plagued. Would be cool to tech nature and beneficial curses in rather than just go for the most powerful/least bad combo.
So excited for the mantis zealot build guide! I hope its a swarm mythic
Looking forward to that Mantis Zealot build. That's what I created first after the new DLC dropped!
The new dragon powers look really cool now I kinda want to start playing agian
Yep, they're really fun!
A new run is worth it, but I would not recommend Dragon Shifter. This just alters the capstone. It's still incredibly bad for most of the game.
Amazing video as always! Please make a video talking about all the viable builds for Hard/Unfair, it doesn't have to be new builds, you could just comment on what has changed in your old builds due to the recent nerfs. I ask this because sometimes I see things that no longer work and I waste time trying, like for example Mythical Mage Armor no longer works when I use potions :( I lost a mythical point with this, as I can't reset it (I'm looking for an achievement related to difficulty).
Bearer of Sorrow + Broken Trickster has always been the best combo (functionally infinite attacks + Vicious immunity). The Gravesinger nerf just means folks will have to acknowledge it. Add mounted Titan Fighter and just about everything onscreen dies with an attack action.
do you think the griffon mount flying attack not working with charge related feats like spirited charge is intended or will be fixed ?
not sure if you'll see this but it seems to me like people are misunderstanding the gravesinger axe fix. Yes it's a fix and not a nerf. in the pen and paper ruleset improved critical doesn't stack with other sources. And in fact says so when you take the feat in game. So this is the ruleset working as intended. The longest standing glaring offender for anyone who has played the tabletop is selective metamagic working on non instantaneous spells. So spells like fireball it'd work on but spells like grease it shouldn't. But I think that's more a limitation of the game engine. With how they handled the rulset it's actually quite impressive.
And before anyone says anything. yes I know they changed some things to make some classes, archetypes, etc worth trying.
Accept Gravesinger never stated it got its range from Improved Crit. Made obvious by the fact that a normal greataxe with that effect on it would end up with 19-20x3, which doesn't match the numbers on OG Gravesinger. It always has been, and still is to a lesser extend, better than just a regular axe with a simple IC on it.
I got bored using the same weapon over and over years ago, so whatever imo. Arguably, one of the other options is a better thematic fit for AoOBro anyway ;)
I'd like to see the Dragon Mythic Path getting the buff it deserves.
Shield and Fist...did someone say Captain America build!
I could see an Angel or Legend Mythic Path working well RP wise
Since monks lose their AC bonus using a shield and only Sensei monks can dual wield Shieldbearer of Irori would be the best class. Legend with 16 Deliverer of Irori and 4 Thug.
Would love to see updated companion builds and at least one build per Mythic Path, especially with thematically fitting classes.
i left my last 3 runs unfinished on this game a couple of years ago and now it seems like i have too much to look up about the builds i was doing. i may just reroll them all as sorcerer so i dont have to put effort in
I am curious if you have found any viable builds for the magic deceiver? I tried Demon, but the Brimorak aspect does not trigger with it, tried Azata but the total damage is not more than other metatmagic damage builds, Lich couldn't see anything.
What about shatter Defence + multi attacks? Does it work for 2nd, 3rd.. if 1st attack hit?
The shattered defenses "nerf" is a big bummer tbh cause I'm 80+ hrs into an unfair run with all characters spec into that, including some weird leveling through Loremaster to get that feat
It's not that big of a deal, as you said, but still weird that they changed it like that
I hope the pet thing works properly now at least, cause that was annoying as well
When did they fix the pet lagging behind? I don't have the bug with my sables marine pet but seelah's horse and daeran's wolf were still lagging behind yesterday. Should I respec them?
Edit : So i just checked and while the respec worked for Seelah it didn't for Daeran and his wolf so beware
Bane of spirits was my answer to swarms especially that swarm boss.
They haven't quite fixed all of the companion leveling issues yet. Still have a save with an oracle and a paladin both at level 10 and the companion is still level 9. I've tried retaining with no luck. Hopefully this gets fixed soon.
I have the same problem with my dual cursed Oracle.
Would love to see a new non-oracle angel build if you can dream one up.
Nice to see some changes after all this time and glad they haven't abandoned this game just yet. Will you be doing updated builds for Rogue Trader? Since the new balance patch took a pipe to the knees of 99% of the fun stuff in that game
I kind of abandoned my RT play through with the patch. Might come back with the DLC. While I could respec my whole party the changes would kind of fundamentally strip their roles away from them.
Kind of annoying when major nerfs are used because people could possibly make overpowered min/max builds that now mean normal builds are complete trash.
@@flemsha fr, when patches are just overwhelming nerfs it just a bit of a sigh; the higher the level of the difficulty means a higher importance of using the "correct/best" stuff. I'll go back to RT when the new dlc cause Act 5 still gives me nightmares and Quetza Temer was a joke.
crpgbro, would love it if you could post updated build for Rogue Trader 1.2
Please make new builds for the new archetypes 😊
Oh no, not Grave Singer
What do you think is the most powerful build in the game now that all the content is out?!?!
I still think it's very hard to top Angel Oracle, especially the new Dual Cursed Oracle, due to how strong merged mythic mechanics are, at least as far as a character that can do everything with ease.
But frankly from a pure late game perspective anything can work, but even then merged Angel buffs are amazing!
I think you’re right! What’s your favorite to play??
Would like to see some builds for new classes
Would you make a new build guide post patch. I hope you do because your build really rocks
Dang, you're going to have to update some builds right?
I hope a overview about the new WH40k Rogue Trader update
Please do a build for hippogriffs! :D
Can you remake some of the blaster classes?
After the gravesinger nerf, which weapon would you consider the best now?
Just a heads up that the bug with some pets lagging one level behind is still there. Daeran's wolf refuses to match his level after I took second mystery. Sosiel's dog and Seelah's horse are fine though. Maybe it's an oracle bug.
It exists for every class and persists for every continue animal companion. Multi dip pet builds get screwed right now as the first lvl doesn't count.
Wow, that Shatter Defenses nerf really screws with your Rowdy Rogue "One-Punch Man" build. Will have to come up with an alternate means to make enemies flat-footed with that build now... hmmm....
Greater Invisibility (+mind blank to maintain invisibility against enemies with thoughtsense) works against lots of enemies
So now, you have to do an Angel build again :D
Nooo, rip my Vital Strike + Shattered Defenses build...
Just started a new playthrough as a titan fighter today, where I intended to go double great axes.
With the fix to grave singer, is there another weapon class that is better?
Going trickster mythic path
Basically any with the best Crit, for Titan Fighter go with either Fauchards or Falchions!
Fauchards have reach which is fun but require Exotic Proficiency.
Very early game I'd recommend Glaives however, before you can even get Improved Critical.
Fauchard. Bearer of Sorrow + Great Blow For Good + Broken Trickster will carry almost all of Act 4 & 5.
Owlcat really hates the gold dragon mythic path lol
Really doesn't seem like a big deal. I've never done a build around the gravesinger and there are weapon choices with similar critical ranges. The shatter defenses nerf basically means you need to score just one hit and then you're off to the races just like before. Even you acknowledge that it's still very easy to proc it. Overall it seems like a lot of good packaged with a minimal amount of nuisance.
The Gravesinger always crit on 20's. It's just it had the keen edge spell permanently on it, and the spell was doubled by the feat. If they left it, the Keen Edge spell would turn ANYTHING into gravesinger.
And the handaxe was always better than the great axe, you could use STR or DEX, and even offhand it. Woljif, Greybor, whoever you gave it to suddenly didn't need to get feats for their offhand, because they had improved critical already in the weapon.
Chain lightning=20d6. That is 60 average damage.
Final Breath attack= 16d8. That is 64 average.
So even before the additional effects it's comparable with spells.
None of the nerfs are that bad. I like it when their aren't clear cut must have options.
new builds man!
05:40 man i though that is golden dragon mhytic path content drop :_( i am so sad.
It does seem like this makes Gold Dragon feel even less "mythic" and impressive, yeah. It was already one of the most underwhelming routes, this kind of amps that up.
Pet hotfix did not work for me, it's still lagging a level behind
Maybe this is a good place to ask:
When I try to use builds that I find online, I always come up 2 ability points short. Was there a change in the last 1-2 years (when most of the build videos were released)?
I don't think there has been such a change. However, builds often pick the min/max race option that gets +2 to their main stat, humans can choose theirs while e.g. elves would get +2 DEX +2 INT -2 CON, and the cost of buying the stat gets higher with each two points you buy. So, if you are e.g. a human and you're going for 18STR 12DEX, it's cheaper to buy 18 strength when your main stat is selected as strength, than it would be if your main stat was selected as DEX or something else. If you are making builds with your preferred race instead of the one the guide uses, or if you're not taking advantage of the human stat boost appropriately, that might explain the point difference.
I always use human! Will have to find a concrete example of this when I get to the computer @@KimmoKM
Personally love the critical nerf(or fix rather). It was boring always running grave singer now there's a few more options to consider.
Hope you touch back on Rogue trader again!
I feel the shatter defenses change is a very big nerf to all gishes.
What's the new best weapon now?
Bearer of Sorrow. Any Vicious Weapon can add Broken Trickster to limit Vicious Self Damage. This weapon clears screens.
What should I build to increase attack bonus now that shatter defenses is nerfed
Target flatfooted in some other way, like being invisible, or acting before the enemy does with your higher initiative and then finish the combat during the surprise round, or get more attack bonuses in your party (clerics with guarded hearth and spammable touch of good/madness domains, paladin with mark of justice, skald/bard/sensei with songs, incense synthesizer, brownfur transmuter for more powerful stat boosts, etc), or just lower the difficulty setting (enemy stat boosts can be tweaked independently of other settings too) or play a more powerful archetype (mutation warrior fighter for example gets +13AB from class features as I recall).
SRY for offtopic question - need a guide for handling Gallu Stormcaller on core and higher. Thanks a lot in advance.
Hi there, what is your Mythic Path?
There's 2 items in the game now that Reflect spells, one Belt (Belt of Last of First Humans) from Shifter DLC and the other a Mask (Razmir's Mask) from Dance of Masks DLC, which can help tremendously regardless of Build/Mythic. Both can be found at Act 4 before you start meeting a lot of the more powerful Gallus.
You also have more ways of increase Caster Level now, which can help when you cast the Spell Resistance buff (Sin Robes for +3, Sin Staff for +3 =6)
Mythic Gallus are better dealt with by just rushing them with a powerful party, they could even be knocked down by pets like Dog & Wolf.
@@cRPGBro Appreciated! Dying here second day, before Arelu. Trickster. 1st Gallu beed downed with level drain, and he lost his ability to do anything. Will try to repeat.
The shatter defenses nerf/fix is kind of a bummer. I play on lobotomy difficulty so probably not gonna be crucial .
Then what is the point of the gold dragon 🤔 mythic
lol at least the big ring nerf wont effect me. i always played the game like it was a swift action, and would only ever use it once a round, and it used up that persons swift action for the turn. cant believe it has taken this long to nerf away the free action part
might just be a bug but daren cant dual wield in my game
New roguetrader builds post patch please ?
I cover the Patch 1.2 changes here: ua-cam.com/video/ona-2Y0Ok9s/v-deo.html
Updated Builds will come soon, just waiting for the DLC next month!
Trickster dragon shifter?
When is the new skald Inciter build coming, hint...hint...
It's the same as every other Skald. 20 Skald + Beast Totem for sharing pounce. You just also share the SA.
@@pyrflie But what do you give up in exchange for a little sneak attack damage?
@@bobmcbobbob2391 Lose 2 Rage Powers and delayed Skald Talents. The real boon is that you share some of the SA and SA altering Skald Talents like Dispelling Attack with your party during Incite Rage. It's a really powerful trade.
@@bobmcbobbob2391 You lose 2 Rage powers and delay Skald Talent selection. But you also share 1d6 SA and any Skald Talents that modify SA like Dispelling Attack/Crippling Attack/etc. It's an incredibly powerful trade from lvl 12 onward.
So glad they nerfed grave singer, made no sense to get the "best" weapon that early.
So evil shifters get the short end of the stick. Ugh.
This mean there's a dragonform build coming in the near future?
Dragon Form Shifter is still awful. These are capstone abilities that are marginal when you get them and the archtype is just bad for the 19 lvls leading up to it.
@@pyrflie Oh, so basically this patch was just a bunch of nerfs and bullshit.
With all of these nerfs, how do players beat the hardest difficulty? o.O
Why, after all this time, they decided to nerf the Grave Singer?
so, they want us to abandon melee, go caster and spam bolt of justice?
Melee is still by far the best for single target damage per round, outside of maybe crits with bolstered hellfire ray.
how to install bag of tricks????
If you mean ToyBox, I have a Modding Guide here: ua-cam.com/video/4VZC8nK4mNQ/v-deo.html
Just need the latest version of Unity Mod Manager & Toybox!
@@cRPGBro thanks so much brother
Press "F" for Gravesinger.
How in the heck is his Angel walking around with a +78 to hit?
buffs
Bubble buffs mod helps a lot so you spend more time actually playing the game rather than casting buffs on everyone.
Jever seen half ghese items ever lol
The new dragon powers kinda make me wanna play the game agian
Sadly I believe they're only at level 20 as the capstone ability, but it does make me actually wanna do a Dragon Shifter Build now!
I mean in fairness if you do the vast majority of the quests, you’ll be level 20 by the first quarter of act 5, so you still have a lot of game left.
@@davidsoyele7829 Sure, but only if you completely single-class rather than taking any dips. Granted, shifters generally don't have massive amounts of synergy with most other classes, so single-classing's a very reasonable choice, but even still, that's a not-insignificant restriction.
@@neodav00001 they were talking about the capstone ability at level 20, so talking about other class dips and stuff isn't really relevant
@@zequill9728 I know, that's what I was saying. I meant more that a single-class build kind of limits your options in terms of building in interesting synergies and the like. Creating a build to revolve around a capstone is kind of restrictive next to something that can take you through the whole game. It's a good capstone, to be sure, I'm just not sure it's enough to be "the goal to shoot for" all on its own.
How do they make nerfs like this and not nerf Outflank, I mean, is Outflank even intended to have the crit -> AoO addendum tagged on to it when they have Seize the Moment which Outflank makes irrelevant? Just weird to me.
Seize the moment works with ranged, so I guess that's the difference here?
@@KimmoKM Yeah but you need OTHER characters to ALSO have Seize the Moment for it to work to begin with? Who else is taking this? Not your Melee who have Outflank and not your casters. It's just straight up idiotic and bad.
@@JJEMTT Someone with solo tactics ability (fighter's tactics etc), or maybe you have a ranged-heavy party, or you're running a character that can share teamwork feats. Certainly, I give all melee characters Outflank at the first opportunity (being an S-tier feat and all) and I very rarely take seize the moment. But I HAVE taken seize the moment, whereas I've never ever taken e.g. combat maneuver defense teamwork feats. I think it's broadly fine, usually weak but potentially worthwhile, feat.
@@KimmoKM StM is not weak, it's SUPER niche like, virtually unusable, in any real difficulty of the game you can't afford 2x ranged characters, you'll get obliterated because you require specific roles and a front line but some classes CAN accommodate Outflank + Seize the Moment if they removed the crit + AoO bonuses to Outflank. Just because there are worse feats doesn't mean Outflank should be so overpowered and at the same time make another feat irrelevant when it would be very relevant if they simply nerf Outflank.
please redo builds for companions, ideally all, but if no time at least do few important ones.
I think owlcat is stupid on these nerfs. They never learn their lesson from Obsidian Entertainment on how they kill their own games. First and foremost is a single player game. And to be honest no one likes to play a cookie cutter game. Part of the fun of a single player crpg game is ti be overpowered and discover powerful builds. If i want to play a competitive game I'll play online multiplayer and moba. Keep nerfing your games owlcat won't make your game competitive
Well shit, Gravesinger builds are completely DOZENO now. There is absolutely nothing separating it from your average Fauchard anymore or better yet, the Jinx falchion which deals absurd amount of damage without relying on crits... Shatter Defense is still fine, BUT having to ditch Legendary Proportion in favor of Frightful Aspect... Yikes. Not really worth it imho. Oh and more Sorc/Primalist gishes buff I guess those guys really need moar buffs huh? Not a good patch for Unfair enjoyers I suppose UNLESS you are doing a Bloodline build.
why the fug are they nerfing things in a single player game