Diesel vs. Gas Truck? Cost of ownership Breakdown (Surprising Results!)
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- Опубліковано 4 чер 2021
- Is it cheaper in the long run to run a diesel truck over gas? What about the added costs of operating a modern diesel truck? In this video I will give you a thorough breakdown of the cost of owning a diesel truck, and then compare that data with the cost of owning a gas truck. The results may surprise you!
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Some other things to take into consideration...
1.) Tires will wear a little faster on the heavier diesel
2.) The front suspension, ball joints, bearings, and steering components will all wear faster on the diesel.
3.) Any potential engine and transmission repairs (both parts and labor) will be more expensive on a diesel.
I was a mechanic for GM for many years.
Finally someone talking about cost of ownership between the two engines.
Although you are biased towards the diesel, you are honest about the costs. Too many diesel guys act like they save so much due to mpgs but never factor in the fuel cost difference and maintenance costs. I don't care where exactly the money goes towards. $1000 is $1000.
Honestly when it comes down to diesel vs gas, the biggest thing is do you actually need the power. Some people do. If not, the diesel is rarely worth it. Especially if its just outside of the warranty when the cost to fix it will be expensive. IMO, about 90% of the people that own a diesel don't actually "need" it, but it's their money.
Agreed. I know you see it too.. over here in a southern large University town, the difference between men and students is the price of their toys..getting a diesel workhorse ceramic coated to never see woods or hard work, just hauling yeti coolers and backpacks, and their sweetie pie..and the amount of new lifted custom diesel pavement pounders bought by Mom and Dad is astounding.
Yes, I do sound jealous.
@@jefflancaster6587 not at all jealous if someone needs or owns a diesel.
I did this same calculation years ago, when diesel was cheaper than gas and maintenance was much more simple, no DEF and complex control systems. At that time there was a pay back but, it would take upwards of 10 years or more to get your return on investment, diesel option was about $5000 dollars then.
I drove diesel semi trucks for over 3 million miles. They are great for pulling heavy loads, but overkill for everything else. The parking lot at work was always full of giant quad cab 4x4 duallies used as commuter vehicles. Most guys were lucky to use their truck pulling heavy one or two weeks a year: the rest of the time they were at work trying to pay for it. Sadly the Ford diesel owners were saddled with very expensive repairs after the honeymoon ownership period wore off. We would expect more than a million miles out of a big diesel tractor before overhaul. Not so much with the consumer pickups. Remember most guys are not skilled or equipped to perform service work beyond oil and filter changes. And yes, taking the cab off for service is real: real expensive. Big class 8 diesel trucks are designed with serviceability in mind. Consumer pickup trucks are designed with fast and cheap assembly in mind. The reality is that the diesel pickup truck has become a powerful symbol of American manhood, much like owning more than a couple of guns. Very few men are honest about this aspect. In a global perspective, there are very few countries in the world where men choose 22’ long 8000 lb commuter vehicles. I am glad we Americans have a wide variety of choices, but the concept of pickup truck as status symbol is very real and mostly unacknowledged. Buy what you want while you still can. In 20 years these dinosaurs will be gone for sure.
You hit a lot of great points. I agree with a good chunk of what you say. I tow a 12k Dump trailer a lot in the summer. Prior to my 250, I had a 2015 chevy 1500 5.3 gasser. Although the truck was legally able to tow most of what I had in the back, it just didn't give me any confidence while towing. The engine would scream going up hills, stability was ehh and the transmission just didn't feel like it could handle it. The 250 diesel is just a beast and it gives me the confidence I need while towing. But yes it is very expensive up front. Someone must carefully consider their financial situation prior to purchasing something this expensive. It took me years of hard work and savings to put myself into a position where I could afford it. Is it practical as a daily driver? Yes and No. Even though I am getting about 20 mpg, there are far more fuel efficient vehicles out there. But for a safety aspect, I feel a lot safer driving that truck over driving a Honda Civic. It's also very versatile, as I can turn on the 4x4 and drive through snow, and I have the power to pull someone out of the ditch if they get stuck. I've through about getting a commuter car, but after I added the cost to purchase sed car, maintenance on that car, plus registration and insurance, it makes more sense to just have one "do it all" vehicle.
I think their is a lot of truth to the Diesel truck being a symbol of American man hood. To me, its a trophy that symbolizes my hard work and financial responsibly. How I maintain it, symbolizes how I treat the people and things I care about. The Truck symbolizes me.
Will diesel trucks be extinct in 20 years? I don't think so. 45, maybe. The dems are pushing for alternative fuel trucks and i'm not opposed at all to it. But we clearly aren't ready for that transition. I could see a small push for more natural gas powered vehicles in the short term. More importantly, Lithium batteries are not the way/ Solution. The Lithium batteries for semi trucks are going to weigh the truck down so much, that the cargo capacity will likely be reduced in half. Plus Lithium can't be recycled into new batteries, so new lithium must constantly be mined by diesel powered earth movers. I think we will transition into more bio-diesel short term. Then I expect we see a push to hydrogen powered cars and trucks. I think hydrogen is the way of the future. Along with nuclear Fusion power generation. I understand oil is a limited resource and we do need to transition, but now is not the time.
I'm late to the conversation but I agree with your assessment and timeline. Here's the BUT....the used market is getting flooded with vehicles, specifically trucks, computer chip mfg.'s are catching up, and of course the economic market is what it is, suggests that supply is will outpace demand. sadly, as you commented, most people pull maybe 2 or 3 times a yr. and they're upside down for sure. 72 month notes are a thing of the past as this is why people are upside down(Walking on the ceiling). If you have the cash, not finance but CASH, There are some nice deals(?) if you can handle the accelerated depreciation. At this point its a crap shoot
Owning more than 2 guns has absolutely no parallels whatsoever to the points being made in regards to a diesel as a commuter.
I agree,
it's a bit foolish to use a diesel as a commuter like a lot of people do, although I would say the same thing about driving a 4x4 truck when it's a pavement queen.
Guns however are completely different.
For starters,
More than 2 guns is more than easy depending on the purpose it's used for.
A gun is a tool like anything else.
My Remington 700 for hunting is not a rifle I would use for home defense, my AR15 that I would use for home defense is not something I would use for hunting.
My long 12 gauge shotgun that is good for hunting, is not ideal as a defensive shotgun, my police 870 on the other hand is the opposite of that.
My full size pistol is good as a duty weapon or open carry, but not great for a conceal carry.
My subcompact is great for concealed carry, but not that great as a full sized service weapon depending on the purpose and job.
My AR is not good as a ranch working rifle, whereas a lever action such as an 1894 is more ideal if you're using it on horseback.
My semiautomatic handgun is not great as a woods gun because if needed for an animal attack which is in close proximity, a revolver serves you much better, so I carry a .357 in the woods....
Saying that "owning more than 2 guns is nothing more than a status symbol of manhood and men aren't being honest about that," is a foolish statement.
it's completely ignorant of the fact that weapons are tools and used differently depending on the situation and purpose.
Just like a diesel truck is a tool that should be used if you're doing serious heavy hauling, and a bit foolish to say the least, as a daily commute vehicle.
However comparing that to the ownership of guns?
A very silly statement indeed
@@OldSoulMillennial lithium batteries are lighter and stronger than lead acid, LTO is virtually indestructible and can be punctured and cut and it will not arc or explode. Only when you short it
I absolutely agree with the original post. I live in Texas, the truck capital of the United States. I see every day, city boys commuting to work in suit and tie with a new F250 Platinum or Limited diesel 4x4 that doesn't even have a tow hitch in the rear. I often ask these guys if I see them in the parking lot if they ever tow with their vehicles, and the vast majority of them told me no. It is ridiculous to me to drive a $90,000 to $100,000 vehicle for commuting to work in downtown Houston. I don't care how much money you have, it is just silly. Even if I was a millionaire, if I never towed anything, I would probably be driving a tricked out full size SUV if I just wanted the size/comfort/status symbol. A fully upgraded expedition or suburban would be a much nicer ride and much more practical.
very honest review. You did a good job with the numbers too.Thanks for sharing
Was just looking for these calcs thank you for the video!
I couldn't find any Spanish video explaining this as clear as you did. Thank you.
I have a 2016 F250 XLT 6.7 I bought new for $47,000. It has 70,000 miles on it. I was offered $42,000 today from a local Ford dealer to buy it from me. Not so sure they won't give me more if I put the screws to them. Try that with a gas burner. All ya'll can complain all you want about owning a diesel, but its worth it. I have owned a 97 7.3L, 2006 F250, 2006 F350, and a 2016. Never ever had any major issues with any of them. Both of my 2006 trucks had 200,000ish miles on them when I sold them. Even those were sold for basically what I paid for them when I bought them. My Dad also had at the same time a 1999 F250, and a 2004 F250 with no issues either. If you buy a gas truck you better be prepared to own it for a long time because the resale value will most likely kill you. Why buy a new gas truck when you can find a nice used diesal for the same or less price. Al l vehicles break and none of them are cheap to fix. Go work a few side jobs if the extra expense bothers you and ride in style.
Just for information sake. I bought a 22 f250 with the 7.3 gas engine and I’m getting 14.2 mpg when not towing. 12 mpg when towing. I love this engine/10 speed transmission combination. It works great.
Nothing noticeable. But I also don't really listen to radio much anymore.
$1400 extra…. per year for ins and $10,000 upfront for the diesel just simply can’t be ignored. We all want a diesel but most of us can afford one. God bless you diesel guys, I’m happy for y’all. I’ve come to the conclusion that I flat out don’t need one, I don’t tow anything and for that reason I can’t justify the extra $$$$$. I’ll buy a nice Can Am instead😉…and maybe another rifle.
Bottom line, buy what makes you happy! I needed something with some balls to pull my dump trailer.
I was in the same boat as you but after owning 4 7.3 power strokes ( my 2000 4x4 6 spd was the favorite )with mostly just common maintenance other than fuel and brake lines rotting off I pretty much got out of the 5th wheel camper towing but still have the 8K boat to haul around and the new 7.3 Godzilla is holding its own so far. Time will tell if I made the right choice.
With the cost of diesel right now, I think you made a good choice.
Thank you for taking the time to do this video man. It was really informative and I'm currently trying to decide whether or not I 1) NEED to move from a 1/4 to 3/4 ton and 2) whether to pay the huge upcharge for the diesel or just settle for gas as I will not be towing HEAVY loads often by any means, but do want no issues if I do.
Diesel is something Ive always wanted. It was the right decision for me. Absolute POWERHOUSE. These modern diesels need to be driven though. I have a half hour commute to work which helps keep things working properly. If I only had a 5 minute commute to work every day or did a lot of stop and go driving then the gas may be the better choice. Test drives are free!
@@OldSoulMillennial I agree! Life is short get what you want. I wanted a diesel and got my first one this weekend. 2022 Ram 2500 Cummins. LOVE IT. Thanks for the video!
Shell Rotella came in big 10 qt jugs at Tractor Supply when I had my 2001 Super Duty. Motorcraft had its Powerstroke 15w40 in 5 qt jugs.
New powerstrokes use 5w 40
Did you include the fuel filters for the diesel in your annual maintenance cost? I didn't hear it if you did. If you didn't, then that tip's the scale to the gas engine. I currently have a Ram 2500 6.7 diesel and the costs to own are a good bit higher because Chrysler has one fuel filter that can only be purchased from them and is pretty salty. Currently looking at a 1 ton and debating between the 7.3 or staying diesel.
2.5 gal shell rotella is $50 oil filter $15 total oil change cost for a DIY $65. DEF fluid (tuned deleted an no longer a budgeted cost) fuel filter/water separator at parts store $150 and $100 (Amazon can get same ones for $45 and $40) another point for diesel is you don’t change the oil every 5k miles most go 15k so that’d be 1 oil change for your year vs 3 in a gas truck 3x $60 = $180 vs 1x $100 my gas ram 1500 14.5mpg diesel ram 3500 17-18mpg but I drive close to 50k miles a year so depends on how much you can do yourself and if you plan ahead on maintenance or wait till the last minute
I like diesel's.. I think they should improve the fuel rather than add complexity with the emmisions systems. Add some ethanol to diesel like they do with petrol.
I had a 2016 with 6.2. In my area it was 10.6mpg didn’t seam to matter where or what I did with the truck it always settled in to 10.6. I now have a 19 f250 6.7 mine is 16mpg to and from work and 20mpg on highway. Oh and a lot more power 😃
Any Issues with your 19' 6.7?
@@OldSoulMillennial none yet have about 30,000 miles so far. Towed around 11,000 lbs up through mountains of pa average about 11 mpg which was still better than the 6.2.
@@suskyhilloutdoors513 Something must be wrong with yours mine gets 15 highway and 13 around town
Is your insurance higher because it's diesel or because it's a newer vehicle compared to your 1/2 ton? I can't imagine the insurance being that much different when comparing the same truck.
Good comparison video bro..I might get my first used F350 7.3 turbo PS and really trying to do my homework. I know you truck is new, but I'm looking for guys or gals to chime in about known problems I see referred to constantly online..what's the deal about easy fouling glow plugs, many injector problems, and lift pump bugs..that stuff scares me because a gas motor is just to easy to love.
Skip the 7.3 ps and find a 5.9 cummins or a newer 6.7 ps. I have owned one (1999) and while it was a good engine, I upgraded to a 06 5.9 cummins and the cummins would leave the 7.3 in the dust pulling the exact same load. The difference was incredible to me.
The 7.3 was an excellent truck and still would be…IF we were living in the early to mid 2000s still. They’re old and out dated now, and lack a lot of power compared to what we have now. I’d definitely skip over the 7.3 and go to a Cummins or a 6.7 PSD as well.
If you’re looking for a truck that rides more comfortable like a car but still puts down some great power and torque, I highly recommend an LBZ Duramax.
So by your calculations, with the diesel being $40 a year cheaper to operate, you take the $10,500 premium for the diesel and divide that by the $40 dollar savings and you’ll see that you’ll break even with the price difference in 262.5 years.
Unless you’re towing consistently and towing heavy, the diesel doesn’t make much sense from a financial perspective. The average person will only keep their vehicle for approximately 6 years, and resale value on full-size trucks in the USA is always respectably decent, gas or diesel. You may not get as much back on a gas as you would with the diesel when you go to sell, but you also paid less for the gas to begin with.
It’s a double sided blade. Most people do not buy a full-size pickup and take into consideration what the MPG numbers are going to look like. You’re purchasing one of the largest things on the road today, expectations of an mpg here and an mpg there should not be a deterrent when making your decision.
I recommend purchasing what makes you happy and not what you think you may need vs. what you don’t. Things constantly change in life and it’s best to be prepared for more, rather than less, when you’re making an investment like this.
Good read. On point.
I just posted my comment on return on investment, and that was a big determination for me to select a gas option. Mind you, that was over 15yrs ago. Back then it would take 10 or more yrs to see a return and that's only if the rates all stayed the same. As you point out, things have changed in recent times,
No mention of service costs between the two... diesel engines are way more expensive to do a major service than a gas one!!!.🤔🇺🇸
How many years before you get back your additional 10k cost for the diesel?
I just upgraded from a 6.2 to a 6.7. My insurance went down do to the fact the new truck had way more safety features. I purchased the truck 1 year old so I didn’t get hit with the additional 10k that people cry about. It was cheaper to buy a 1 year old diesel than a new 7.3 gas truck. My fuel filters only cost me $45 for the kit including front and back. DEF is only $18 when I fill up at the pump at truck stops. With the fuel savings I get with MPG from 12 to 20 it’s a wash. There are always a way to work around that additional 10k especially in todays market. I think you made a excellent choice.
6.7 diesel fords for me got 13-16 mpg on avg. my 2021 ram 2500 6.4 averages 11.7-13.5 mpg.
You paid 10K for the diesel premium. I paid $1800 for my 7.3 gas option. Glad I chose option B . Lol 😂
Just looked at fords website. 7.3 is a 2,000 option now. So 8 grand more and you would have the diesel. Diesel has over double the torque of the 7.3. I’m happy with my purchase, you’re happy with yours. Life is good
@@OldSoulMillennial Yes the 7.3 fits my needs perfect 👍. Actually overkill since my truck with its 4.30 gears is rated at 20K pounds gooseneck tow. 4100 payload in its F-350 trim . I’ll never even get close to that for my needs . Hopefully your actually using that 1000 Ft Lbs of torque because it’s not cheap ? I plan on keeping this truck basically forever or until the wheels fall off. Trucks are getting way too expensive nowadays. That was another reason for my decision for the 7.3. My research proved to me it’s very overbuilt to last with many forged internals and is at least a 300K motor with decent care . I change my oil myself at 4K intervals religiously using a 100% Synthetic Oil . I didn’t want to be in a modern diesel out of the warranty period nowadays with $1000 an injector & cabs that have to be removed to work on the 6.7 long term down the road . I watched a youtuber overload his 7.3 F-250 with 3.55 gears tow 24K Lbs gooseneck tow a backhoe through the hills of I believe Utah with ease . That video sold me on the 7.3’s capabilities. It’s in a class of its own as far as gassers go for the big three.
Length of ownership is a big factor, will you keep it after warranty? Component failures will be a big cost after warranty. The amount you tow and how much is also a big factor.
I do plan to keep the truck after the warranty is over. I am meticulous with maintenance.(In my opinion, you see a lot of fleet trucks with problems because guys idle the hell out of the trucks and beat them to hell). I'm a very hands on person. If something breaks or fails, I will likely attempt the repair myself. My view is that you shouldn't live your life in fear. If a component fails, fix or replace it. Thats life. But I love the truck so far, with the exception of cold winter days. I am planning some aftermarket upgrades to fix that in the future.
Double check insurance. Ours is only about $35 a month that more than our 1/2 ton. All are commercial insurance.
As of 4/19/22 diesel is currently $1.00 more in my area. Driving a diesel right now would be hard to justify unless you tow everyday. I would be worried about repairs also once the truck is 5+ years old and no longer has a warranty. Diesels are very expensive to work on. 6.7 is a solid motor so I wouldn't be worried for a while but never know, random stuff happens. The diesels are great if you need them but I just can't justify purchasing one with the upfront cost and maintain cost. I would rather just have to pay a little more at the pump. At $3.60 for gas currently at 966 gallons, it would be $3,478. With diesel currently it would be $3,303 at 718 gallons and $4.60 per gallon. You are only saving $175 dollars with current prices! If you only drive 10k a year the gas would probably be cheaper than diesel right now. Diesel guys will also always argue their diesel is worth more when they sell it but of course it is. You paid a extra $10k+ up front for it! If you keep your truck in good shape both diesel and gas will be worth a lot when you sell it, especially in todays market. I did a KBB value on a 2019 f250 xlt with 50k miles on it, same exact configuration other than switching the engine. The gas is worth $47,300 and the diesel is worth $53,400. That is a difference of $6100. I did the same thing but on a 2016 f250 with 80k miles. The difference in gas and diesels book value was $6000. I would say that it is safe to say that diesel adds roughly $6k to the resale value but you are paying $10k+ for it up front. So after 3 years and 50k miles you are losing $4400 on the diesels up front cost in resale value. This is why I do not see how the diesel is worth more argument is valid. Not to sound to hard on diesels they really are great for pulling and if you have the money and do not care about the financial side then go for it.
The reliability issues after just a few years of ownership. My step son went through this when he bought a new 2018 2500 GMC, that thing lived in the shop, and he finally ran the warranty out. He was in the shop again and now facing a $2500 repair, or more, if you own an EPA diesel, you know the game. He told the service writer. "Why don't you just buy this thing from me"... He did, and paid him almost the original MSRP. He took the monies and bought a car that gets 30 mpg... He said he should have listened to me, as it was costing him too much to stroke his ego. His words, not mine. He is in masonry, foreman, but he has to drive some fairly long distances daily depending on where the job site is located. With the payments, fuel, maintenance and all of the breakdowns, it was a no brainer to get rid of that money pit. And this truck was all stock, no mods... Me, I'm a truck driver, own my own tractor, and know first hand the costs of these EPA trucks. If you do not have the diagnostic gear and tools, and depend upon shops to keep you rolling, you will regret the purchase in short order, especially when it starts breaking down, as few shops can actually fix these things properly the first time.
If you need a diesel to tow, and I mean tow daily or weekly, get one. If you are simply stroking your ego, trust me, I have been there too, you are pissing your money away. Sure, it is a nice ego stroke, but in the end, it can really make a mess of your life if you do not have deep pockets. Just my .02
@@michaelwright1602 it’s crazy why the dealers are offering for trucks right now that are less than 5 years old. My dad traded in his 2018 Chevy 1500 that was giving him issues with 108k miles that he bought new in early 2019 and they gave him like $31k for it and I don’t think he paid but maybe $37k for it new. Crazy it brought that much with over a 100k miles on it. It’s good your son got out of the truck. My dad was kinda the same way and walked away from his because the transmission was about to go but he traded it on a f150. He needs a truck for work. I do also but I drive older trucks because they are paid for and cheaper to fix. I just can’t justify paying what trucks are going for right now. Maybe if they ever come down in price I’ll get me a new f350 7.3 gas but I doubt it will come down anytime soon
This is also not a super accurate analysis though, the gas can diesel per gallon prices are extremely volatile and that 30 cent spread seems very atypical in my memory
The added cost for insurance isnt something I considered. Is it because of the new vehicle or is there a difference between 1509 and 2500 costs?
Get a free quote from Geico. Rates are extremely variable. I believe my rate increase because 1)I was going from a used truck to, a brand new vehicle and 2) The F250 is roughly 1400 pounds heavier than my previous half ton. Heavier vehicles can do more damage.
You also have to take into consideration resale value plays a lot most diesels sell for more then gas trucks
I own a 6.7 I love it but thinking about selling it since I don't tow anymore
I've been thinking about getting one of those Japanese mini trucks to zip around town in.
Wait till you have to repair/replace injectors or turbo
You won't have to replace them often with proper maintenance, 06 GMC 6.6 Duramax here, 315654 miles and still hauling strong, haven't done nothing to it but just on time service. Lack of proper maintenance is the key to failures with them diesels.
The only thing that needs to be kept in mind is, are you actually going to be regularly towing heavy stuff. Thats it. If not, go with the gas.
Yes and no. I tow my dump trailer around several times a year. Prior to this rig, I had a 2015 chevy 1500 5.3 and it struggled to tow around 3 yards of much. Even though It was rated to tow more than that amount, it just didn't give me any confidence. This beast handles anything I can legally carry in my dump trailer. I would rather have the extra power and not need it rather than wanting the extra power when I don't have it.
I don't know man. You are still 10K over for diesel engine. Beautiful truck congrats! But I feel it will be expensive as time pass.
Thanks for the compliment. I am curious myself what kind of issues I may face down the road. IMO the emissions systems are a lot better and refined from when they came out in 08. Rest assured, I will absolutely make videos if problems arise.
With only driving 14k miles a year, it doesn’t matter which one you purchase
Here we are in 2023 and diesel is averaging $1.10 more per gallon than gas. Unless you're towing regularly, not two or three weekend trips over the summer, it's not a good financial choice. But if you have the money and WANT the diesel, go for it!
What keeps me out of a diesel is the repair costs all my friends have with them!
I get that. Unlike a lot of people, I'm not afraid to turn a wrench and attempt a repair myself.
Do you still have the truck? Have you done a video of a long term review?
Yes, I still have the truck. I have not made a long term review. What points would you like me to cover?
@@OldSoulMillennial Have you had any issues with the truck? I’m wanting an f250 but can’t decide on the 7.3 gas or diesel.
There's no doubt diesel has better efficiency. But at the end of the day it doesn't add up. My gasser dodge gets 19 average. So the question is. Do people that buy diesels expect to buy them for long hauls meaning highway miles 95percent of the time? And do people buy gas trucks to run it around the farm, go to the store, short in town trip, kids to school etc? Then yea I think a lot of people would report diesels getting way better milage on the highway rather than in town.
You'r dodge, is it a 1500? 19 MPG is great for a gasser.
Right now in WI
diesel is $1.00 more than gas. That makes gas a lot cheaper to run.
Obviously the game has changed since this video was published. Check back in after the November election.
Where I’m at the price of diesel is a lot higher than gas. Gas is 3.79 and diesel is 6.09 a gallon. Also I own a 6.2 and it gets nowhere near 14.5. I have 35” tires and 100 gallon diesel transfer tank and a toolbox which weigh about 1400lbs combined and my truck averages 10 mpg and doesn’t make a difference if the tank is empty or full (about 700lbs) it gets 10. And towing my mini excavator around locally in the mountains it does 4-6mpg I drive a lot and when gas was $6 a gallon I was spending 1200-1400 a month in gas alone. My next truck will be a 6.7 but the 6.2 has been an awesome truck! Just thirsty
The price gap between diesel and gas right now is insane. 6.7 is a rocket ship. My advise, buy what makes you happy!
@@OldSoulMillennial the only reason I bought gas was I have a company gas card so I don’t pay for fuel but I do pay for maintenance and for my budget I could get a newer truck with less miles if I went gas. But yeah the 6.7 is killer
Ok but just in fuel saving alone it would take 20 years to get that 10k back I think if you are towing alot yes if you are just pulling a 13k 5th wheel camper 5 times a year I would just get a gas engine but people can do what they want its there money I just can't see myself paying that much more for and engine that's all. ps. Injectors alone in that diesel cost just as much as a brand new 6.2 engine so.
Awesome comparison.
Thanks Cody
You didn’t account for the crappy mileage the truck gets while in regen, plus fuel is $1.60 more per gallon now.
Did he say 2.90 a gallon man that's crazy badass try 5.60 in CA.
$5.07 is the cheapest I could find in the Detroit area yesterday... 75 gallons, $380. At least my truck makes money, and I only fuel once a week.
Chevy 1500 gasser costed you $60 for an oil change?! And you did the work?
I have a 2001 silverado 1500. Supertech full synthetic oil and regular filter costs me like $20. It has 280k miles.
I used shell rotella 0w20 full synthetic in that chevy. Stuff cost 35 for 5 Q. Truck took 8 Q. So Oil cost aprox 56, and 5-10 bucks for a filter.
You said at 1:48 in the beginning of the video that your insurance was 200.00 more per month, then at the end of the video you said 200.00 more a year. Which is it? This will be a HUGE difference!
Sonny, I may have misspoke. Personally, It cost me $200 more "per year" in auto insurance. Insurance rates are HIGHLY variable. I would recommend that you get a quote or two online with your "exact vehicle" in mind, and the "coverage" you would like.
That’s as long as you’re in warranty. Just wait for those expensive diesel repairs when warranty is out and your at a major loss.
And boy does it get expensive. If you are not using these diesels for business or real towing on a regular basis, these new EPA diesels are simply not worth the ego stroke.
Damn the cost...which is the most fun to drive?
I prefer diesel, to each his own!
A tuned diesel,
What about warranties on gas versus diesel?
My 6.7 has a 5 Year 100K on the engine, 5 Year 60K on the powertrain. Not Sure What the 6.2 or 7.3 has.
I’m not an expert on this matter, but I believe at 6 months and less than 20k miles, you’re at the honeymoon period. Perhaps you should have done this video at 60-80k miles to share your experience. The emission systems and regulations on newer diesel engines are nothing but a PIA. Pre dpf era, it was a no brainner, I remember owning a 466DT boxed truck that caused little to no problems, nowadays all makes of trucks breakdown constantly and the cost of repairing is ridiculously high. I would stick to gas for now.
now do it with long term ownership after replacing a turbo, injectors, maybe your hpop.
Impossible to quantify. Those numbers will vary based on driving habits, quality of maintenance, quality of lubricants, and Luck.
What about def fuel and the cost of changing the fuel filter?
Gas engine... if you bought it new, and you change your oil twice over a 14k year, you've voided the warranty. At a minimum, oil changes for 14,000 miles should be every 5,000. If the engine is under warranty, im thinking every 3,000. Unless, of course, your using full synthetic. I didn't hear you clarify either one.
I always use and recommend full synthetic. Even with a synthetic blend you should make about 7,000 miles.
Regardless, this video is not about when, or how to do an oil change. The "14,000 mile / 2 oil change" was completely hypothetical to give a ROUGH cost analysis.
Weird. I didn't know there was an interval specific to the hypothetical value of 14k miles that was 5k miles.
Almost everyone is using full synthetic oils which are proven to last in labs around 10k miles. Oil change interval is more specific to the utilization of a vehicle rather than a number of miles. By your thought process, a police cruiser that spends 9 hours of idle time per day and only sees 10k miles per year from patrol use should have an oil change interval different from a truck towing 20k loads 3 times a week cross country every 2 weeks.
The number was a point of reference. It is obscure. Don't read into it.
Newer trucks can go a lot further. Most of the newer car use full synthetic oil and go anywhere from 6000-8000miles between oil change. If you’re towing then changing it earlier is required.
My 6.7 must be broken I'm averaging 15.8 mpg oh well still love the diesel
Hmm, heavy foot or a lot of hilly local roads? I consistently average 19-20 mpg
@@OldSoulMillennial hilly windy back roads
When you experience your first out of warranty breakdown you’ll get why guys are saying stick to gas.
there is a greater financial risk/responsiblity u take when you buy a diesel. numbers can go sideways on you real quick.
Sounds good, but you forgot to add in the 10k dollar add on to the price tag to start with. So add that into the yearly cost untill you break even or sell it.
I think it would be fair to say that most of that upfront cost of a diesel would be recovered on the back end. But more towards your comment, the title of this video is "cost of ownership breakdown". Not "Cost to purchase".
Is resale better than gas? You pay up to 10k more up front and according to Kelly blue book it is only worth 7K more at trade in. Please enlighten me with your new style of math.
The life expectancy before a major rebuild of a gas truck is around 200K. The Life Expectancy of a diesel before a major rebuild is around 500k+. When you start looking at high milage gas and diesel trucks, you will find that diesel trucks retain their value much better because the engine is generally expected to last much longer.
@@OldSoulMillennial manage a fleet service for a while and you will know the true price of diesel. Let me know if your emissions equipment lasts more than 180,000 miles. Your 500,000 mile is a pipe dream especially with a power stroke. Look at fords track record. The 7.3 is what built there reputation and its long gone. I could replace an entire engine in a gas truck for less than replacing just def system in a diesel. If you are towing heavy over distance is the only way you will ever see any return. Also let me know how many times you have to rebuild the front end to get to your 500k. The heavy engine and trans reeks havoc on them. Why do your think Ram and Ford both have death wobble issues.
@@bw4851 or lets just talk about parts in general. I had an older cummins and the injectors were $2500. I could rebuild a whole gasser engine for that. (Speaking of older engines)
@@bw4851 true that brother. I love diesels but I can for sure reach 300k on my 6.2 and replace the power train for another 6k or less. I have 340k on my notorious 5.4. 3v only did timing Chain at 300k. The 6.2 and 6.0 Chevy gassers are very very reliable.
@@bw4851 I've had a little more time to think about your comment. You do make valid points. However, an important thing for me to note is that you manage a fleet, and I own and care about my truck. When I drove tractor trailers, I didn't give a rats ass about extended idling or technical issues. Not my truck, why should I care if the pdf gets clogged with soot from extended idling. My point is, if you don't own the truck or have a financial interest in the truck, generally people don't give a rats ass about it. I consciously minimize idling and I get my truck good and hot almost every trip I take. So I do expect my emissions to last much longer than the emissions of "fleet vehicles".
My stepfathers PS 7.3 econoline lasted over 500k. My Fathers PS 6.0 (A known bad engined) Lasted 400,000 miles before he sold it. Yes those trucks needed standard parts such as a starters, and injectors at around 250k, but they didn't need rebuilds. That is (imo) due to the fact that those trucks where driven properly (not abused) and meticulously taken care of. They where not some fleet vehicles.
I take care of my PS 6.7
19.5 if your not towing anything!
I would just buy the Godzilla unless I used the truck for towing.
No, no lining. Better dexterity, less insulation
You went from 5 quarts of oil to 14 quarts, so almost triple the oil. The filter is 3x more expensive. But your oil change just went from $60-$100?????? yeah right lol
If you are not a commercial trucker, it all comes down to a want, not a need.
Some of us spend money on women and liquor, others just waste it. 😂
I like the diesel guys always coming to my job to replace their clogged injectors lol.....they are not cheap...like $400-$500 for one???
Why discuss the costs and ignore the $10,500 cost of the option??
The 10k Upfront cost is the first number I brought up in the video. This video is more focused on the annual operating costs. Just for reference, the 6.2 gas engine is considered standard. The 7.3 is a 2K upgrade option. The 6.7 is a 10.5K Upgrade option.
The upfront cost only matters for initial calculations, you get 80-100% of that back on resell. (I have a 7.3 gas inbound)
@J C
Then it will always part of cost of ownership. That is if you always plan on owning a diesels.
repair costs sure aren't the same, neither is fuel cost in today's economy.
Well, it depends on the repair. Tires are the going to cost the same on a similar 3/4 ton, suspension components will cost the same, transmission will cost the same.
Fuel system and injector repairs, more expensive, Emissions systems, more expensive.
If you run a modern diesel, the key is to get that bad boy up to operating temperature on daily drives, and stay ahead of preventative maintenance. Im not worried about repairs. I'll fix most things myself.
you get 5 qts in a jug of rotella
Not in the diesel oil. Diesel oil is in 4 a qt
(1 gallon) jug. Or you can buy the 2.5 Gallon jugs.
Dam mosquitoes 🦟
I own a 16 ram 3500 diesel. Sold 2014 F150 gas to get the diesel
I can say honestly 💯 not worth it financially to get the diesel
Diesel fuel today where I live is 60 cents more per LITER, not gallon.
The oil change is triple the cost of gas engine
The repairs so far have been astronomical and the emissions system is total garbage and unreliable
If you don't need a diesel , do not get one
You will NEVER recoupe the cost or gain financially
You should do more research before creating a video like this most people will believe at face value. One thing you didn't discuss is fuel filters. Most diesel trucks require two fuel filters that will be changed at least twice per year. One oil change at the dealership with air filters, and fuel filters on my 2019 Ford F350 diesel just cost me $811. My 2013 gas dodge ram 1500 for an oil change is roughly $100 at the dealership. And I'm not sure what oil and filter you are using but good oil for a diesel truck and filter is way more than $100. I own several diesel trucks, and love them, but they are far more expensive to own when compared to a gas truck.
If you are the type of wealthy putz who takes his truck to the stealership and is willing pay $811 for an oil change and fuel filter change; this video isn't for you.
Not that it's even worth my time responding to you, but I'll entertain this nonsense one round.
I use Rotella T6 5W-40 Full synthetic. X3 -1 gallon Jugs on amazon: $66.93 before tax.
K & N -HP-4005 Oil filter: $17.21 on amazon before Tax.
Oil change total, currently about $90 USD. Hmm under 100 Bucks. Not sure if my math adds up, maybe you could double check as your intelligence seems far superior to mine.
As for fuel filters, I change mine every second oil change. 7K Miles between oil changes. So, I change my fuel filters every 14k Miles.
I use OEM Part: AC Delco FD4625AA. Cost currently 74.50 on amazon before tax. Yes this is an added expense, but if you can afford even the basic version of this truck, ~75 bucks isn't going to bankrupt you.
Finally, I've made detailed instructional videos of how to change the engine oil and fuel filters on these trucks. I've created these videos to help average blue collar people like myself.
Btw, do you smell something burning?
It’s diesel not deezel
A white truck😬
This is also not a super accurate analysis though, the gas can diesel per gallon prices are extremely volatile and that 30 cent spread seems very atypical in my memory